[2022] Lobby Legends - Noblegarden Top 16 | Hearthstone Dev Tracker

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892s	love to see the early snipe and if you
893s	can really snipe the kangaroos and
894s	there's no space
899s	only one omega buster
901s	the problem is can we get the plants to
903s	knock off the divine shields that is the
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916s	and the baron is out alyssa i think we
920s	have a champion we do
923s	be nice over here we get to see his
925s	perspective
926s	we get to see our first lobby legends
930s	winner
942s	hello everyone and welcome to lobby
944s	legends noble garden i'm raven and
947s	joining me to kick this off is subtle uh
950s	we've got a lot of action this weekend
952s	it's going to be the second hearthstone
953s	battlegrounds lobby legends tournament
955s	of the year but it's gonna look a lot
958s	different than the one we saw a little
959s	bit earlier on uh brought to us over
962s	there gia and at slicer so welcome uh
964s	how's it going and uh you i imagine you
966s	are very ready to start the day i'm
969s	indeed i'm looking forward to it it's an
971s	early start but it's fine we can brush
973s	that aside because there is so much hype
975s	going into this tournament you know
977s	battlegrounds players have kind of been
978s	flying the flag for a while they've been
980s	showing from the rooftops we want to be
982s	part of the competitive hearthstone
983s	ecosystem well now guess what friends
986s	you are absolutely part of the club
988s	because you have to play a major
990s	tournament on about 72 hours reaction to
994s	a major patch and that is a large part
996s	of what competitive hearthstone seems to
998s	be about uh massive new patch coming in
1002s	yes exactly massive new patch coming in
1004s	not only with the new tribe the naga
1005s	coming through but also some key minions
1008s	leaving the game amalgadon going out
1010s	regular amalgam coming back in now as a
1012s	tavern three minion leroy jenkins coming
1015s	in as well as a big meta shake up there
1017s	is so much to unpack with this new
1020s	metagame um beyond the fact that most
1022s	people are going to be looking for naga
1024s	throughout most of their games i'm sure
1026s	because they are very very strong yeah
1029s	there's going to be a lot to talk about
1030s	and a lot to dig into as we go on
1032s	throughout today and tomorrow uh but for
1034s	now let's take a look at just what these
1036s	couple of days are gonna look like if
1038s	you're not familiar of course like i
1039s	mentioned this is only the second lobby
1041s	legends uh tournament so far and it's uh
1044s	not looking like a lot right now so
1046s	subtle why don't you just verbally do
1048s	our job well and verbally explain what
1050s	lobby legends is going to look like for
1052s	today and tomorrow yeah pack it up we've
1054s	actually got an empty schedule for the
1055s	uh next two days or so so we can uh just
1057s	end it here no just kidding
1059s	here we go
1060s	uh so we have had um a very long process
1064s	to get to this point even it's a long
1065s	qualifying period it starts with the
1067s	battlegrounds ladder and then top 16
1069s	players come through from that play in
1071s	qualifiers to even get to this point to
1073s	the broadcast tournament we are left
1075s	with the very best of the best after
1077s	that has boiled down uh split up into
1080s	two different lobbies lobby a and lobby
1082s	b each containing eight players playing
1084s	games of battlegrounds with eight
1086s	players in each and in the top four from
1088s	each of those lobbies will go through to
1090s	sunday where we'll do it all again
1093s	with the uh now infamous check format
1096s	after be nice uh
1098s	showing how it was done in the first
1099s	tournament which we'll get into a little
1101s	more when it becomes more relevant
1102s	moving on through the tournament yeah
1104s	the only thing i will add on to that is
1105s	i can imagine every player already is
1108s	just thinking if i make it to sunday i
1111s	hope that doesn't happen to me you know
1113s	like it just like one player just runs
1115s	away with the whole tournament as
1116s	quickly as possible because again today
1119s	we have those two eight player lobbies
1121s	uh they're only playing three games each
1123s	and the top cuts go through right so
1125s	three games as you know i'm sure you are
1127s	well aware so does not feel like a lot
1130s	when these are the points values right
1132s	you know eight thirds zero going all the
1133s	way up to first place getting seven
1135s	points uh add all them together after
1138s	three games and then you've got your top
1139s	finishers out of each lobby but this is
1142s	it but like the pressure on just three
1145s	games of battlegrounds is so high for
1148s	these players because someone has to
1150s	finish eight someone has to finish
1152s	seventh and so on and if you finish in
1154s	those what bottom like two three spots
1156s	you the pressure is on to actually not
1159s	only just do well and and you know i'd
1162s	say like fourth upwards maybe third
1163s	upwards is what i would say is doing
1165s	well in the lobby uh but to potentially
1167s	have to win uh to claw yourself back
1170s	with any chance of actually finishing in
1171s	the top cut
1173s	yeah it's not a big sample individually
1175s	of course the amount of games on ladder
1177s	that you play to get here and then the
1178s	qualifiers and then this all factored in
1180s	you know you are still looking at people
1182s	who've proven themselves to be
1183s	consistent over a large period of time
1185s	but i'm sure we've all had it right
1187s	where
1187s	we play three games and we get like
1190s	fifth sixth eighth or something in those
1192s	three games but if you zoom out and look
1193s	at your last 20 games you're climbing
1195s	and you're doing well overall and that
1196s	was just a temporary blip right this can
1198s	happen to any of us if that happens now
1201s	today for any of these players in lobby
1203s	legends they're cooked and they can go
1205s	home and they're not going through to
1207s	sunday right and that is going to be a
1209s	big big problem
1210s	uh for the the way things are going i
1213s	would say as well like you said with
1214s	that first loss if you do get it early
1216s	you then have to kind of chase the win a
1218s	lot more heavily by going with greedier
1220s	greedy lines i wouldn't say that would
1222s	necessarily have an impact on what i'm
1224s	expecting to see in this tournament
1226s	because i feel like chasing the win is
1228s	the one thing that you can do anyway uh
1230s	which we'll dig into a little bit later
1232s	on when we get into more specific
1233s	strategies but we can take a look at
1235s	what's on the line at least in terms of
1237s	dollar-y do amounts raven yeah one
1239s	benefit as you said if you have a rough
1241s	day and that's just the way it is it
1243s	does happen all is not lost because
1245s	although you wouldn't qualify through to
1247s	tomorrow and there is uh
1249s	effectively that minimum prize pool
1251s	right so uh just for being able to
1253s	qualify into uh this uh lobby legends
1256s	tournament uh the players have earned
1258s	something at least but that first place
1260s	prize ten thousand dollars and when we
1263s	talk you know we'll look at the players
1264s	shortly but when you realize that's ten
1267s	thousand dollars for this is a potential
1268s	first place prize but we're seeing
1271s	multiple repeat players from the
1273s	previous lobby legends tournament and
1275s	this is something i definitely expect to
1278s	see going forward in battlegrounds in
1280s	that as you mentioned a lot so far like
1282s	the consistency and just uh effort
1284s	required to top 16 ladder then make it
1288s	through the qualifier itself then
1291s	perform well in this you know the actual
1293s	lobby legends tournament is so difficult
1296s	that we are seeing these players the
1298s	sort of players you see always in in
1299s	contention at the top of the ladder
1301s	month in month out just be saying like
1303s	yeah these players probably have a good
1305s	chance at seeing them in the next lobby
1307s	legends tournament as well or at least
1309s	in the qualifier
1311s	yeah for sure um you know sample sizes
1313s	being what they are i think when you
1314s	expose everyone to the open field on
1316s	ladder you're going to see a lot of the
1317s	same players hanging around at the top
1319s	as mentioned what then happens in the
1321s	few games that you get to play in the
1322s	qualifiers is a little bit more up in
1324s	the air right in terms of the same
1326s	players being in the qualifier
1327s	tournament over and over again yeah
1329s	absolutely and then i think you know
1330s	just by you know sheer weight of odds we
1333s	will see the uh a few of the same
1336s	players showing up this time but having
1338s	said that looking at lobby a we are
1340s	looking at a few new faces here at least
1342s	in terms of battleground i don't know
1343s	about you raven i'm pretty hyped to be
1345s	casting xo again because it has been a
1348s	while uh one of the absolute best
1351s	constructed players from way back in the
1353s	day it felt like a weekly monthly
1356s	activity for xo where he'd just rock up
1358s	and win like 20 grand in a 16 player
1360s	online invitational or something like
1362s	that just seemed to be his day job his
1364s	his meat and potatoes and now he is more
1366s	of a battlegrounds gamer and taking just
1369s	as quickly to this format as well
1371s	alucard both are america's
1373s	representatives as well of course roger
1374s	being thrown in there as well which is a
1376s	name that we haven't heard for for a
1378s	while as well some very interesting
1380s	prospects going through lobby a here
1383s	yeah and then we have uh sjmr kid and
1385s	sal king from china as well uh
1388s	representing our region over there so
1390s	we'll see how they do honestly you know
1392s	names i'm not familiar with i think it's
1394s	uh uh well sj is a repeat from the uh
1397s	the previous tournament which is the
1398s	only one on that list i believe so that
1400s	is a big big deal i was gonna say with
1403s	the other two it's like the uh the
1405s	problem i guess we used to having
1406s	constructed going back a few years now
1408s	where you just we didn't get to see the
1411s	chinese players compete as often so we
1413s	just didn't know the players well enough
1415s	obviously with the master star system we
1417s	just see them finish first every time
1419s	now so we know a lot of them by now and
1421s	i expect that to you know start to get
1423s	the ball rolling with lobby legends
1424s	because already we've seen uh well a
1426s	back-to-back player
1428s	from china as well as just multiple
1430s	chinese players coming into the
1432s	tournaments we've had so far so really
1434s	excited to get into this lobby but you
1435s	are right uh player like six so i will
1438s	be keeping my eye on because it's the
1439s	type of player that really annoys me
1441s	because it's just this type of player
1443s	who's like uh i feel like being good at
1445s	this game mode right i'll just play or
1446s	i'll just crush everyone and it's just
1448s	like ah i wish i could do that i'm a
1450s	very jealous honestly i feel like you
1453s	went far too deep into that sentence if
1455s	you just said yeah zigzag the kind of
1456s	person that really annoys me and then
1458s	just stops there i think we would have
1459s	all been fine with that but yeah i'm
1461s	very much looking forward to it looking
1463s	forward to seeing beaufort as well
1464s	beaufort is a person whose uh stream my
1467s	watch a ton i feel like i say this a lot
1469s	on stream and then people will like dm
1471s	me like wait you watch my stream like
1473s	yeah i am the biggest lurker on the
1475s	internet okay like i don't actually hang
1477s	out in your chat as much as most people
1479s	will do but i'm out there i'm always
1481s	watching something i'm sleeping so i
1483s	have to be doing it um but yeah beaufort
1486s	is a player that i've really enjoyed
1487s	watching a player that i've learned a
1488s	lot from i think he has
1490s	an excellent concise focused way of like
1493s	breaking down what is a high variance
1495s	game in a high variance situation i
1497s	think he has a very good mindset and a
1499s	very good skill set for uh for
1501s	tournament battlegrounds play as well so
1502s	looking forward to seeing a lot from him
1504s	and while we are getting the lobby ready
1506s	gain everyone good to go again with
1508s	eight players you know wrangling those
1510s	players and making sure everyone's you
1512s	know ready to go so there's no issues
1514s	going forward very important job so
1515s	shout out to admins for that one and i
1518s	just want to ask with the removal of
1520s	buddies the addition of naga just the
1524s	game changing dramatically overall uh
1527s	what are you looking for is it going to
1529s	be players who are just going for naga
1531s	or at least in the short time we've had
1532s	to prepare
1534s	have you seen anyone experiment with
1537s	well what comps that aren't naga do you
1539s	go for because i'll say with everyone
1541s	going for one uh minion type you've
1543s	always got the problem of especially the
1545s	higher tiers there just aren't the good
1547s	minions left to get if you don't hit
1549s	them first
1550s	yeah so here's the thing here's my very
1552s	quick inner capsule meta breakdown of
1554s	what we have right now um i am a
1556s	journalist of great integrity so i'm not
1557s	going to lie to you now because of the
1559s	best try buy a lot right now like that
1561s	is clear
1562s	um however
1564s	solving this game to maximize mmr over a
1566s	short sample is still very very
1568s	difficult you have to understand when
1570s	you're in control to spy can actually
1572s	win the lobby with the officer or the
1574s	orgazoa pickup if you're not in that
1577s	position that's when the game gets
1578s	interesting right forget about how
1580s	mechanically complex the naga stuff can
1582s	get to we'll deal with that later but
1583s	there's still a lot of like skill
1585s	expression thrown into that as well what
1587s	do you do if you don't just triple into
1589s	a six and hit the naga stuff early on i
1591s	think that's a really good question
1594s	i personally think you have to avoid
1596s	falling into the trap of actually taking
1598s	some other kind of minion type synergy
1600s	and just really scaling it right like
1602s	scaling quillboards scaling murlocs i
1604s	think that is generally a mistake i
1606s	think if you don't have quillboards the
1609s	only other things that you can do are
1611s	like poison scam or something that i've
1614s	been seeing a lot more recently and
1615s	something that i've now
1617s	brought into my toolkit as well it's
1618s	just big cleave scam which i think is
1621s	like a super underrated way of just
1622s	gaining mmr in a rough situation just
1625s	making a massive faux reaper massive
1627s	hydra giving it wind fury with the
1629s	spellcraft particularly with mechs
1631s	abusing some of the magnetic synergy
1633s	that you can get with spellcraft as well
1635s	and to just make really really huge
1637s	minions and just try and kill a few naga
1639s	players while they're at that 20 20 30
1642s	30 stage and you just have a 40 40 win
1644s	fury divine shield cleave on the other
1646s	side right you just try and murder a few
1648s	people that way there are things that
1650s	you can do
1651s	however one final caveat
1655s	we expected a certain meta going into
1657s	hearthstone global invitational for
1659s	battlegrounds as well
1660s	everyone on ladder knew how you did it
1663s	you tripled into fours you found milkers
1665s	you set up your milk aboard that's how
1667s	you played the game
1668s	in hgi the competitive players that we
1671s	had in that tournament said no we're not
1673s	letting you do that we're buying soul
1675s	juggler we're buying meccano tank we're
1677s	buying everything that we possibly can
1680s	to deal damage to you early so that you
1682s	cannot milk and that took us all by
1684s	surprise so we could be wrong again in
1687s	what we're expecting to see in this
1688s	tournament i don't think i am i think
1691s	we're going to be seeing a lot of naga
1692s	winning lobbies
1694s	but still these players have had some
1695s	time to cook up counter strategies so
1697s	they might just be offering something
1699s	that we're not necessarily expecting and
1700s	also it's the the big difference right
1702s	because when you're talking about uh
1704s	strategy and approaches to winning
1707s	winning lobbies isn't necessarily what
1710s	you have to do in lobby legends right at
1712s	least for day one we'll talk about day
1714s	two later so again it's that thing of if
1717s	you don't start uh
1719s	the the ball rolling with naga
1722s	you can just go high progressive and say
1724s	i'll try and push people out and then
1726s	just try and land the top four if if you
1729s	if you're getting really unlucky and
1730s	you're not getting any comps that like
1732s	hard scaling and you could just go to
1734s	that and sort of play aggressive take uh
1736s	you know sort of hoover up i have the
1738s	other good minions from different
1740s	minion types and then just pressure
1742s	people out it's something i've been
1743s	trying really where i've just been
1745s	buying the best stuff the most sort of
1747s	aggressive tempo style minions for at
1749s	least the first part of the game
1751s	maybe even a bit longer than i should
1753s	and then yeah if i can get some of the
1756s	good naga a little bit later on triple
1758s	into them and such i will then switch
1760s	because the scaling you get can actually
1762s	be ridiculous right the scaling catches
1764s	up if you actually hit it early enough
1766s	it's kind of kind of silly honestly yeah
1769s	that is the funny part to me as to how
1770s	late you can transition to full naga and
1773s	it'd still be plus mmr like it's really
1776s	outrageous sometimes but you know to me
1778s	the idea you're saying you don't have to
1780s	play for the win you can just push for
1781s	fourth i think that's what big cleave
1784s	and poison leroy scam does i think if
1787s	you go other tribes and just start
1788s	scaling quillboard or murloc or whatever
1791s	that gets fifth sixth most of the time
1794s	because you're still gonna lose to the
1795s	poison scan players you're still gonna
1797s	lose to the big cleave players you're
1798s	still gonna lose to the people who've
1800s	hit naga um so i find in that position
1803s	it's probably still best to not get
1805s	baited by going with other minion types
1807s	and just stick with just you know max
1809s	tempo find some poison find some leroy's
1812s	go from there but looks like we do
1814s	finally have a game on our hands
1818s	yeah i am more than ready to go lobby a
1821s	game one first game of the day
1824s	can't wait to get into it and we're
1825s	checking out kid on finley as well so
1828s	not off to the best start against
1830s	alakaro he's a character that you just
1832s	want to avoid on turn one at least
1834s	because you just know you're going to
1835s	lose unless something truly ridiculous
1837s	has happened but the armor there is
1839s	going to keep him at least okay for now
1841s	but overall what are you making of this
1842s	uh this hero choice so far because the
1845s	way i can see it nothing
1847s	mega powerful except for maybe uh your
1849s	niece on the vol jane
1851s	yes uh interestingly we do have a little
1853s	bit of extra tracker technology going
1855s	into this one um they decided of course
1858s	i couldn't have the easy job of only
1859s	having to watch one board at a time so
1861s	they've given me the ability to at least
1863s	watch simulated versions of what
1864s	everyone's doing at the same time
1866s	i did notice that um sjmr
1869s	turned down queen ashara for edwin if
1872s	our tracking is correct which is a
1875s	surprising pick for me for sure queen
1878s	ashara very first or eighth-ish hero in
1881s	my opinion however
1883s	dragons being out of this lobby i think
1886s	might have had a big impact queen ashar
1888s	a new hero kind of has a quest to
1889s	complete where you have to get 30 attack
1891s	worth of minions on your board the
1894s	easiest way to do that is of course with
1896s	chroma wing who scales massive amounts
1898s	of attack in the early game so with
1900s	dragons out i think that's uh put sjmr
1903s	our returning chinese player off that
1905s	ashara pick and he's going with an edwin
1906s	a very middle of the road hero pick
1908s	overall
1912s	here we see sixo on that ragnaros as
1914s	well starting to
1916s	pop off with the early demons and again
1918s	this is it's staying on one so it's
1922s	still quite low but you generally will
1923s	have to do that if you
1927s	i was just shouting cat it was far more
1929s	important than everything you were
1930s	talking about
1931s	was it though i'm giving you this depth
1933s	analysis anyway the benefit here is it
1935s	will help just as six i'll be very
1937s	strong early on and you can really farm
1939s	up that hero power from ragnaros right
1941s	and get that active as early as possible
1942s	because he just will win the next few
1945s	fights almost certainly
1947s	yeah zixo also i believe turned down a
1950s	shudder walk in his hero choices which
1952s	to me is one of the best heroes for
1954s	straight up first in the game right now
1957s	however it requires beasts being in and
1959s	you can see up in the top right beast's
1961s	also banned so straight away you can see
1963s	the impact that uh which minion types
1965s	are in play has on these players and
1967s	their decision making overall
1969s	uh big big deal both players that we've
1971s	looked at so far two of the players
1973s	we've looked at so far sjmr and six so
1975s	have kind of had to take probably weaker
1977s	overall heroes because the minion types
1979s	just did not line up very well but
1981s	speaking of lining up well
1985s	spellcraft spellcraft snail snail vulgin
1989s	uh this is basically exactly what you
1993s	want in this scenario and you can even
1994s	pick up a cheeky extra couple of stats
1997s	on the snail going that first snail the
2000s	first time you cast a spell every turn
2001s	gains two health continues to do that
2003s	every term for the entire game which
2005s	makes all of these minions that vol'jin
2007s	has right now excellent synergy with
2009s	that hero power vulgin also one of the
2012s	characters that can cheat with
2013s	spellcraft spellcraft's supposed to be
2015s	temporary stats however if you swap
2018s	those temporary stats onto another
2020s	minion with the vulgin hero power you
2022s	get to keep them permanently so this is
2024s	basically
2026s	the start this is what you are looking
2028s	for in this meta game exactly that now
2031s	you're strong now you level now you
2033s	triple and then you see if you hit that
2035s	six to win the game yeah really in a
2037s	really tricky scenario as well with
2039s	those snails to work out how to play
2041s	that turn right because when you cast
2043s	the spell the snails gain health if you
2046s	cast a spell on a a minion in in the
2048s	shop and then swap it well the snail
2051s	will have gained health so you're
2052s	swapping away more health if you target
2054s	the snails so you know he's just had to
2055s	do that in like what could have been
2057s	seen as a weird order but with the
2059s	snails specifically on board and made
2061s	perfect sense but he's going to get her
2064s	chomped a little bit even though his
2065s	board is very very strong indeed
2072s	take a look at beaufort here on the
2075s	al-aqir
2079s	well start but yet again i thought like
2080s	i said both as a smart player he will
2082s	know this but he is not murlocs at this
2085s	point do not be fooled he has he has
2088s	bought these things because they were
2089s	either the best economy or the most
2090s	tempo that he could find in the early
2092s	game to try and defend his health he
2094s	will be looking to uh find a triple into
2097s	a six drop as many people will be doing
2099s	throughout this game and you said that
2101s	the best economy uh all the best tempo i
2104s	think it's kind of both right now it is
2105s	kind of like you got the coin from the
2107s	naga and then obviously the tads can
2108s	sort of uh and naturally cheaper because
2110s	when you sell them you gain an
2112s	additional million anyway so it's
2114s	looking good in the way you would rather
2117s	it not be but at least it's looking good
2119s	for beaufort right you would rather have
2120s	those like powerful soft scaling nagas a
2122s	little bit earlier on but he's doing
2124s	okay so far one thing i'm very
2126s	interested in sol is just seeing already
2129s	um how quickly players are going to jump
2131s	to taventer five and six because i've
2133s	seen especially as the the mid days
2136s	we've had to test it out have gone on as
2139s	each day passes you see people leveling
2142s	quicker and quicker and quicker at least
2144s	that's been my experience
2146s	yeah i think there is a little bit of a
2149s	bell curve um where i guess at lower
2152s	ranks
2153s	people will make the mistake of not
2155s	leveling very hard um at slightly higher
2158s	ranks people have got the memo right so
2160s	they level super hard and then a very
2161s	high ranks you'll see a mix right
2163s	because then you'll find then you'll
2165s	find the players that recognize they
2167s	can't level because they've kind of hit
2169s	that point of uh having to scrap for for
2172s	fourth or fifth however i will say that
2174s	even scrapping for fourth does tend to
2176s	involve leveling because that's where
2178s	mantid queen and leroy and all the
2180s	things that you tend to need
2182s	faux reaper all that stuff that you need
2184s	to scam a few extra ranks over the
2185s	course of the game
2187s	do tend to be on the high tavern tiers
2188s	anyway so i think this meta is really
2190s	finding a finding ways to level wherever
2193s	possible really abusing that damage cap
2195s	as much as you can in most positions
2197s	we'll just quickly point out as well
2199s	just in case uh people are wondering and
2201s	the scoreboard's not quite correct
2203s	because roger's stuck at the top and not
2205s	on eudora i believe roger's playing
2207s	mutinous who's currently the seventh
2209s	spot uh so just kind of ignore roger's
2212s	first play sitting at the top there
2214s	pretend it doesn't exist and he's
2215s	further down and keep an eye on the
2217s	little mutinous
2218s	in the in the bottom left there but yeah
2220s	sorry about that we will get that fixed
2221s	going forward uh but still uh what do
2223s	you make of these choices here i mean to
2225s	me it's just all if it says naga you
2227s	pick it it's also the plus eight damages
2230s	and nothing to be ignored it looks like
2233s	zigza is actually going to go on to the
2235s	uh quillboard instead
2238s	dynamic duo is certainly a piece of a
2243s	composition that can throw a lot of
2244s	stats everywhere if you get the new
2246s	dargah's elder on quillboard and dynamic
2249s	duo is absolutely one of the minions you
2251s	are going to want to have
2253s	uh which may have just been the
2254s	motivation there from six so it was also
2256s	the individually biggest minion i
2257s	suppose just most tempo right then
2260s	but i think also an interesting thing to
2262s	look at is
2263s	it was a triple into a four right just
2265s	forget about what the actual options
2267s	were and what ended up happening that
2269s	decision to take a four instead of
2271s	greeting super hard four or six is very
2273s	very interesting in and of itself
2276s	yeah again we just see six are really
2278s	focusing on going for that uh that hero
2281s	power getting active as quickly as
2283s	possible we are going to go over to
2284s	south king though who's
2286s	gonna be on those blood gems and this is
2288s	a big one right i know you've played a
2290s	lot of this hero so
2292s	how how important are these blood gems
2295s	did it make it as big an impact as i
2297s	think a few people theorize before the
2298s	patch hit
2300s	yeah they're so huge um honestly
2303s	i i don't end up using that many of them
2306s	for actual spellcraft synergy or spell
2308s	synergy you know with the atheista late
2310s	in the game it's just the fact that you
2312s	get to level and you get you get
2314s	rewarded for leveling i think characters
2316s	that do that in this meta omu and
2318s	blackthorne all of these characters
2320s	are very heavily rewarded because you
2323s	just want to level and having things
2325s	like two extra mana for leveling like
2326s	omu gets or two blood gems for leveling
2329s	just help you defend tempo a little bit
2331s	save some health and you just get
2333s	incentivized to just go to six that much
2335s	quicker and if you do get there and if
2337s	you've managed to be incredibly strong
2340s	uh speaking of incredibly strong we
2342s	found our first incredibly strong player
2345s	of the game with the orgazoa see if you
2348s	get into this position say as uh as
2350s	blackthorne and then you have a bunch of
2352s	blood gems still to spare then obviously
2354s	you can perhaps hold on and wait for
2356s	that greedy this is synergy to really
2358s	pump your board immediately but boy oh
2361s	boy
2362s	alucard has hit and it is looking like
2364s	he is going to be the one to watch in
2366s	this lobby right now because just
2368s	scanning through everyone else
2370s	i do not see a six-drop nago on anyone
2373s	else's board right now right
2376s	he's currently the only player on tavern
2377s	tier five uh that i can see and also 29
2381s	health saul it's fine right he can take
2384s	a hit or two and it and still be more
2386s	than okay because it's such a short
2389s	window of time it takes to actually
2391s	benefit from these potential scaling
2393s	options gonna take seven now go down to
2395s	22 so obviously wouldn't have liked to
2397s	take that much damage but still i think
2400s	it's fine because other players are
2402s	still having to play catch up and at
2404s	some point
2405s	the other players will spend a good
2407s	chunk of gold on levelling right and and
2409s	that's where you'd imagine alucard will
2411s	really snap back as he's got yet another
2413s	choice at a discovery naga this turn i
2415s	wonder if he's thinking of level then
2417s	discover because i would not hate it the
2420s	only question i've got is he has a leroy
2422s	on board and he has a ticket on board to
2424s	uh go out so well the ticket on board i
2428s	was almost using as an argument two
2430s	level because he could have leveled
2432s	discovered something from the potential
2434s	pool of six sold the micro mummy and the
2437s	power
2438s	bought a ticket and then this would have
2440s	been a six as well so you would have
2441s	potentially had two bites at the ethica
2444s	cherry or additional orgasoid at that
2446s	point whichever way you want to go about
2448s	it i think it was enticing with that 22
2450s	health available but now finally we see
2454s	sal king now caught up as well he joins
2456s	the party finds the orgazoa as well
2459s	and has a much more impactful board at
2462s	doing so he will be in the position i'm
2464s	sure to just level straight to six next
2466s	term with this level of strength key
2469s	point right now
2470s	neither player that we've seen with an
2472s	orgasoa has a siren and i think that is
2475s	the first key point of synergy that you
2477s	really want with that orgazoa because it
2479s	just starts feeding you
2481s	straight up economy first and foremost
2483s	just raw number of cards in hand at the
2485s	end of the turn is fantastic you're
2487s	getting uh you know free milker
2489s	essentially just by having the minion on
2491s	board without any combat rng but then
2493s	also just the ability to get additional
2495s	strong minions and triples and so on
2496s	that that synergy generates i think
2498s	siren is the first order of business for
2500s	both of these players right now
2504s	though he's going to be facing garage i
2506s	believe and this is the slight problem
2510s	that we were talking about that people
2512s	who aren't really full nagar are gonna
2514s	face obviously rogers making a
2516s	kind of way to transform into naga with
2519s	their mutants hero power but yeah
2523s	the minions get so big so fast and
2525s	salking isn't even really popping off as
2527s	naga right he's just getting the good
2529s	stuff at the moment but still winning
2532s	that fight and pushing damage on roger
2533s	even more he's currently sitting in
2535s	eighth place so far
2537s	oh
2538s	hello
2540s	we see our first one this uh being found
2542s	here for uh jana say we may differ by
2545s	the way on how we say this name i did
2547s	try and research pronunciations as best
2549s	as i could we're not sure on this one
2551s	i'm saying jana say raven can say what
2553s	he likes i don't really mind
2555s	um but we're finally here with the
2558s	athisa and now we're going to see some
2559s	of that blood gem synergy this is one of
2561s	the big boons of having quillboard in
2563s	the lobbies you get those extra spells
2566s	that can go very nicely with the thissa
2568s	now we get to have the debate raven
2570s	which i'm sure is going to annoy quite a
2572s	few people where i'm going to say the
2575s	slightly controversial statement that
2577s	having these two lava lurkers on yana
2580s	says board might actually be to his
2582s	detriment at this point because
2586s	those two lava lurkers are minions that
2588s	do not get procked at the end of the
2589s	turn by siren and when siren procs
2592s	spellcraft minions at the end of the
2594s	turn it does activate officer which
2596s	means you're getting auto passive
2598s	scaling at the end of your turn for
2600s	every spellcraft generating minion that
2602s	you have in play which lava lurker is
2604s	not
2605s	that is how it works despite the fact
2607s	that's not how it worded yes it annoys
2609s	me and hopefully we will get that
2611s	cleared up at some point one way or the
2613s	other but hey what do i know just hit
2615s	the triple and that solves the problem
2616s	for you nice and easy yeah i mean that
2619s	was a great outcome to hit that triple
2620s	and freeze there but one thing i was
2622s	looking at is actually hero powering the
2624s	snail stats onto the onto a lava and
2627s	using that potentially to sell
2630s	to gain some space because in the late
2632s	game as we can see the big fight
2634s	happening right now in the late game
2636s	naga is all about controlling board
2638s	spaces and getting the most out of each
2640s	uh each space in itself and as you said
2642s	there are too many minions currently
2645s	uh janice i think you said that them
2648s	that don't do any anything active
2651s	that is a huge fight
2654s	a huge outcome but that damage cap still
2657s	being in place
2658s	meant that alucard was always going to
2659s	be safe we can see alucard has gone to
2661s	six as well everyone else still one term
2664s	behind he did do it with the smallest
2666s	board we saw that when he hit his
2668s	orgasoa but because he did it a turn
2670s	earlier he's now been the one going to
2672s	six and yes he's been hit hard for it
2674s	yes he's on two hp but he is in a
2676s	wonderful position overall
2682s	now looking for
2684s	additional juice and there is the
2686s	orchestra as well
2688s	was that actually
2690s	a wrong order or am i just being really
2693s	stupid i guess no no the order didn't
2696s	matter right uh just because he was
2698s	tripping to exactly the golden lava
2699s	lurker he put the buffs on the minions
2701s	swapped it but the buffs would have
2703s	stuck anyway right because
2706s	he only cast two spells on it regardless
2708s	sure yeah it it didn't matter yeah i
2710s	thought there was there's something
2711s	there but
2713s	yeah i'm going to jump over to alucard
2714s	now
2716s	two health and a dream and this was so
2719s	it looks so good he did hit like you
2721s	know hit some big stuff early on get
2723s	that tavern leveled up to six relatively
2726s	fast as well but
2728s	he hasn't actually hit the uh this is
2730s	right like he's not actually hit
2732s	anything that's a big payoff as you
2733s	mentioned earlier no siren there's a
2735s	double critter anglers in there as well
2737s	but not enough self buffs going on with
2740s	wranglers you really need a siren on the
2742s	board in some shape or form does have it
2744s	now of course so he will be able to
2746s	start stacking those buffs but stacking
2748s	those buffs on two health is maybe a
2751s	little bit too late
2753s	well i mean it depends right you check
2755s	your opponents in this position um you
2757s	see what they're showing as i believe
2758s	kid will be showing as mechs four or
2761s	five depending on what the board state
2762s	is we're looking at current board state
2764s	obviously the track the uh the sidebar
2766s	tracker in-game tracker will look one
2768s	turn ago
2769s	someone showing as mechs at this point i
2772s	think you're feeling fairly comfortable
2773s	to do whatever you want as long as that
2775s	as long as that thing does not say naga
2777s	i think you'd feel relatively
2778s	comfortable that you can take this out
2780s	however kid on the other side with a
2782s	really smart play it's small odds but
2784s	it's odds there is one poison minion
2786s	hanging out on that right hand side
2788s	which gives him one particular juicy
2791s	attack that might be able to bail him
2793s	out of this
2794s	that's it right there oh it's gonna be a
2797s	tie it's going to be a tie but for a
2800s	brief moment
2802s	the uh the current king of the naga
2804s	alucard in control on six having the
2807s	juice could have just been killed there
2810s	and we do see i believe
2812s	uh mutinous uh roger the mysterious
2815s	mutinous is actually going out in eighth
2818s	so just for maximum irony the bugged
2820s	player who's going to be stuck in first
2822s	place on our sidebar tracker is actually
2825s	in eighth
2826s	yeah and that that was huge the poison
2829s	seven was
2830s	yeah and that was the issue and kind of
2832s	what i was meaning from alucard he had
2834s	the uh golden mermaid which is huge but
2837s	it's one big minion when there's leroy
2840s	in the game when there's poison in the
2841s	game you know
2842s	it's likely to do well but we saw the
2845s	opportunity of him going out but alucard
2848s	survived which means he's getting at
2849s	worst seventh now uh dodged that eighth
2852s	place at zero points but now checking
2854s	out six so he's gonna pick up the glow
2855s	scale it's one thing i really like about
2857s	naga being in the lobbies is
2859s	yes naga are very strong fine but you
2862s	can also use them as just their like
2864s	almost battle cry effects right you can
2866s	cycle them through on any given turn
2868s	even if you're not naga and just say
2870s	well this will beef up my turn for one
2872s	turn at an absolute worst and i really
2875s	like that you know they've got that
2876s	extra sort of effect even in comps that
2878s	aren't actually you know pushing hard on
2880s	naga oh
2882s	okay
2883s	okay beaufort calm down
2885s	yep i mean this is it again i believe
2888s	beaufort will be streaming his own
2890s	perspective here if you want to go uh
2892s	check him out personally
2894s	but i've watched enough of his stream to
2895s	know exactly what he's saying right now
2897s	and it's like well you know this is the
2898s	game we're playing a mini game right now
2900s	the mini game is did we hit nagas we
2902s	didn't hit nagas this game so here we
2904s	are we're trying to fight for tempo
2905s	we've got two mechano tanks trying to
2907s	poison scam as best we can
2909s	he absolutely understands the assignment
2911s	here and he is fighting for tempo as
2913s	aggressively as humanly possible and i
2916s	think now as we see the fight go out
2917s	this is the biggest difference between a
2919s	great player and an okay player right an
2921s	okay player would just die whereas a
2923s	great player it's going to find these
2925s	creative ways to try and just yoink
2927s	games
2929s	sorry these mercado tanks are just doing
2931s	absolutely nothing yeah the mermaid is
2934s	not having any of it is he just pounding
2936s	damage into a 150 health minion kills
2940s	one of the bigger minions at least right
2942s	like murmured in the five so he saves
2944s	five takes uh 15.
2946s	again dangerous situation now for
2949s	beaufort but at least he's trying oh and
2951s	then zigza was out right he was on
2953s	ragnaros
2954s	yeah he was in he was on
2956s	completely out he's not even on the
2957s	board now this kind of illustrates my
2960s	point as well zixo
2962s	hard tempo scaling wrath weavers two 30
2966s	30s one of them had divine shield he had
2969s	a glow scale in play as well
2971s	pushing as hard as he possibly could
2974s	with a different minion type just got
2976s	murdered by nagoya you can't do it right
2978s	it just doesn't work i'm not calling
2980s	what zigza was doing a mistake that's
2982s	very possibly what he was dealt by bob
2984s	we didn't really follow him a great deal
2985s	during that game but i do think it
2987s	illustrates the point that that is just
2988s	not what anyone wants to be doing in
2990s	these yeah i i think when you when
2993s	you're forced or choose to do that
2995s	you have to hope you hit the weakest
2997s	naga player right and then dodge for at
3000s	least a little not at all yeah yeah
3003s	are there that many not naga players
3004s	though in your average lobby so that's
3006s	my question so you have to just hope you
3008s	don't hit the one that's really popping
3010s	off uh this is looking solid though from
3012s	south king has the cleave it's not huge
3014s	right now but again there are buffs that
3016s	naga can generate that can make it huge
3018s	especially from the uh the archer is the
3021s	main one especially it's golden like
3022s	just a plus 16 attack going through and
3025s	maybe with some help from some other
3026s	minions as well but looking decent it's
3029s	not it's not mega scaling yet but the
3032s	tools are there
3034s	what i'm particularly curious about is
3036s	this replicating menace in salking's
3038s	hand
3040s	because uh replicating so magnetic
3042s	minions on mechs have a pretty
3043s	interesting interaction right now where
3044s	you can actually spellcraft them in the
3047s	shop i mean you can do that to any
3048s	minion but it makes sense to do it on a
3050s	uh on a magnetic minion and then pick
3052s	them up and dump them like on your faux
3053s	reaper for example where they are then
3055s	transformed into permanent stats and
3058s	permanent effects so finally kind of
3060s	interesting there's a replicating menace
3061s	in his hand right now that's not being
3063s	used he might have just felt like he
3064s	couldn't really open up the board space
3066s	in a satisfying way to make the magnetic
3068s	happen in that position uh but very
3070s	curious about what the plan for this
3073s	menace is going to be over the next turn
3074s	or two i wonder if it's so well there we
3076s	go we are going to see uh the draw or
3078s	the straw going out there but i wonder
3080s	if it's some kind of tech in the
3082s	if he needs to he can drop the menace on
3086s	the golem move it across just a little
3088s	bit and then maybe the one ones can ping
3090s	divine shields because in in the late
3092s	game naga can actually generate a
3094s	million divine shields potentially
3097s	so maybe that's something but i do agree
3099s	i think the stat buffs are huge in
3101s	general but of course aren't going to be
3102s	here for the south king now that he's
3104s	spent the turn not playing it
3106s	and we do see
3108s	sjmr beaufort biting the dust as well
3112s	beaufort did everything that we could do
3114s	from what we saw didn't see too much of
3116s	sjmr in particular but this is what they
3119s	are up against if you don't hit this
3122s	stuff you are going to be in trouble
3124s	this is what your board is supposed to
3126s	look like at this point i would even
3128s	argue what is this turn 13 i'd say this
3131s	is actually fairly small for this period
3134s	of the game in terms of like what the
3136s	biggest person the bully in the lobby is
3138s	supposed to be doing and this is still
3140s	on cabin five by the way
3143s	look at the swap on the fitter as well
3146s	that's pretty pretty huge game bristle
3148s	back night to just really power through
3150s	a really strong effect as well with the
3152s	frenzy
3153s	and this is what i was talking about
3154s	earlier with the sort of fast battle cry
3156s	style naga where you just go give me the
3158s	spell cell give me the spell cell and
3160s	just cycle through your turn like that
3162s	to just get maximum amount of buffs that
3164s	you can uh really do here so looking
3166s	good so far
3168s	for yeah yeah lying on the bristle back
3171s	stronger as well when there are
3173s	quillboard in the lobby as well right
3174s	she just gets so many extra targets in
3176s	the shop that can dump blood gems into
3178s	your hand give you those additional
3179s	spells really start pumping those
3181s	officers yeah really cute little play
3183s	making uh the huge divine shield win
3185s	fury frenzy minion as well um massive
3188s	output and obviously like yeah you can
3190s	uh you can take those stats off of this
3192s	uh she's gonna get him right back
3194s	eventually you know there's not gonna be
3196s	a huge detriment to the overall state of
3197s	your board and i think this was the
3199s	understanding from jana say right to say
3201s	okay i'm up against another one of the
3203s	the bullies in the lobby i'm up against
3205s	another naga player i'm going to maximum
3208s	tempo king this turn and give myself
3210s	every possibility of killing this player
3212s	now so i don't have to deal with them
3214s	again in a couple of fights turn and
3216s	it's going to pay out
3218s	massively
3219s	as uh i think does now establish himself
3222s	as the absolute alpha bully of this
3225s	lobby taking out everyone else
3228s	yeah and we see there as well alucard
3230s	kids going away as well uh alucardo
3233s	securing that top four even though he
3235s	did get ahead in the lobby very very
3237s	quickly indeed in terms of tavern level
3240s	he did look weaker when he did so right
3242s	there is that moment you know he went
3243s	down to two health uh but stuck it out
3246s	and landed a top four so not too bad of
3248s	a start for him uh so far but now it's
3250s	just going to be between a south king
3252s	and the iana say here and both players
3254s	settle guess what i'm popping off with
3256s	naga who would have thought
3259s	i'm shocked
3260s	yeah
3261s	difficult mechanical turn to have here
3264s	try and get as much value out of this as
3266s	possible okay gives up uh one short of
3269s	the maximum spellcraft did not play one
3271s	of those minions but i think board space
3273s	concerns make that relatively impossible
3275s	you could argue
3277s	i think fairly accurately that this
3279s	orgazoa is not going to hang around on
3281s	the board for the end of the turn so it
3283s	might have been worth just getting it
3284s	out preemptively
3286s	yeah i need to actually make room for a
3287s	different for a spellcraft to go in i'm
3289s	actually quite surprised it's still
3291s	there for me it's one of the best
3293s	minions that goes the first if that
3296s	makes sense like i get rid of it early
3297s	because it isn't as you can see it's not
3299s	gaining buffs because it is not a naga
3301s	even though of course it has um like
3304s	incredible naga synergy uh he is just
3307s	trying to gain max value from it instead
3310s	does have the uh the the
3312s	dynamic duo tech cards of a mantid queen
3315s	and leroy two of the new cards that i
3317s	think everyone likes to pick up at least
3319s	one or two of and hold if needed they're
3321s	gonna be choosing to drop the leroy down
3323s	now and just look at the size of this
3326s	board my only question is how strong is
3329s	this golem right now for him
3332s	what's a golem
3336s	the foe reaper you mean oh
3338s	i just sorry that's my own terms i
3340s	always just call it harvest golem yeah
3342s	because i just stole them because that's
3343s	what it is
3345s	oh is it really okay it is it's the same
3347s	as a harvest golem it's just a boss
3349s	version of one basically so yeah i i in
3352s	my own head i'm gonna get on my high
3353s	horse and saying that like just knowing
3355s	things about law just actually made life
3357s	more confusing for everybody that's
3359s	fantastic you know
3360s	yeah just be ignorant about everything
3362s	to do with warcraft it just makes that
3364s	snake person
3366s	like that
3369s	um but back to the actual interesting
3373s	decisions here i do think so sal king
3376s	got greedy here with the orgasm and it's
3378s	fine you can see that he could afford to
3380s	lose that fight in most situations and
3382s	not die because the amount of health he
3383s	had i do think the opportunity was
3385s	potentially there to look at it the
3386s	other way around though and just say
3388s	well if i got incredibly strong right
3390s	now sold the orgazoa for another leroy
3392s	or a mounted queen or something to uh
3395s	you know get divine shield poison
3396s	something in play maybe i can deal 21 to
3399s	my opponent i don't necessarily think
3401s	that's true either surprisingly even
3404s	though late game naga boards are kind of
3406s	full of five six four drops you don't
3409s	tend to do that much damage to each
3412s	other when it comes down to the final
3413s	showdown it's normally only one or two
3415s	minions that end up living it's very
3417s	rare that you're just that much bigger
3419s	than your opponent going into that spot
3421s	and so i think expecting to do 15 or
3423s	less damage at a time is fairly
3425s	reasonable which makes sal king's
3426s	decision to kind of hold on to the uh
3428s	the orgasoid milk a little bit longer
3431s	pretty smart and now we're seeing sao
3433s	king go with taunted here we go well
3437s	in response uh to what jana say might be
3439s	doing on the other side which is a very
3441s	very big deal indeed uh we'll have to
3444s	see what the reaction is on the other
3446s	side because this is a very curious meta
3448s	to play around leroy positioning on both
3451s	sides we'll see if janaz has moved a
3452s	smaller minion up first as a bumper and
3455s	he has this is now a huge outcome as to
3458s	where this goes and that is the good
3460s	attack for the bulging in that position
3462s	for sure
3464s	yeah now we are going to see oh
3466s	that was huge yeah divine shield sided
3468s	off first before going into the poison
3472s	and that is now going to be another tie
3475s	as we go back to the well one more time
3478s	with these players having to scrap this
3479s	one out
3480s	and i'm not sure about your sort of
3482s	final two games you've played subtle but
3485s	games like this when it ends in the two
3487s	naga players just just smashing into
3489s	each other basically can go on for a
3491s	long time and you play weird mind games
3494s	with your opponents because they're
3496s	access to so many weird texts that can
3498s	help out for example you could start
3501s	looking at potential ghouls if your
3503s	opponent goes like mass divine shield
3506s	um especially with mantids and such you
3508s	can look at more divine shields with the
3510s	help of say selfless as we can see and
3512s	as they go for now there are so many
3514s	different ways to build your board and i
3516s	found myself like almost changing board
3519s	state nearly every turn um just to try
3522s	and out-think my opponent and i think
3524s	that's what these two players are going
3525s	for right now my only question is does
3527s	oh okay i was gonna say uh uh does the
3530s	naga generator really need to still be
3531s	on the board and you know say agrees no
3534s	it does not and sells it
3535s	yeah agreed i think this is the similar
3537s	situation i was talking about before
3539s	like
3540s	technically he could greed one more turn
3543s	here probably if he really wants to in
3544s	terms of just him just staying alive but
3547s	you can look at it the other way right
3548s	opponent at 12 let's give up my milk now
3551s	just to be as strong as humanly possible
3553s	and try and kill my opponent in this
3554s	spot a hundred hundred selfless hero is
3558s	certainly an interesting tech in this
3560s	spot
3561s	but you are right the mind games that
3563s	come just purely from leroy positioning
3566s	and whether you want to taunt leroy or
3567s	not just that individual mind game adds
3570s	about three or four different layers to
3572s	just how you line up your board for this
3574s	following fight double taunted leroy now
3577s	on the other side
3579s	uh that leroy is going to take down an
3580s	entire poison divine shield which is
3582s	massive that you see there is the
3585s	reasoning behind swapping all of those
3586s	stats away from the glow scale right
3589s	because he knows the leroys are going to
3590s	crash into that anyway because it has
3592s	taunt so that's a big w but guess what
3595s	we are back once again in one more tie
3600s	honest i i think the longest game had we
3602s	were on turn 17 in this game the longest
3604s	one i had was i think 23 turns and like
3609s	the last six or seven turns were just
3611s	this and we were just drawing every
3613s	single time
3615s	23. yes that's ridiculous
3618s	yeah honestly i'm not even that's not
3620s	even an exaggeration either that's just
3622s	i'm pretty sure that i it was at least
3624s	22 and i'm sure there was one extra turn
3625s	past that so yeah okay crazy stuff but
3628s	again
3629s	the weird problem now
3631s	is
3633s	how each player reacts to their opponent
3637s	right and their opponent's board state
3638s	where can the improvements be made and
3641s	the one thing i find most hilarious all
3643s	is the players spend so long building up
3646s	these really big naga boards to end up
3649s	selling most of it in the late game and
3651s	going for like i want this 6-2 with the
3652s	death rattle and stuff like which is a
3655s	lot of these like games do end up being
3657s	yeah it's the leroy dynamic is very
3659s	strange because leroy will you know
3661s	almost always one for one with an
3663s	opponent right you know caveat some
3665s	crazy beast gas coiler mama bear bree
3668s	summon thing which as mentioned earlier
3671s	doesn't really exist at the moment so
3672s	you can kind of forget about it so the
3675s	dynamic of like which one of my minions
3678s	on board on average is less than a one
3680s	for one with my opponent because if
3682s	that's true of any of your minions you
3683s	want to replace them with leroy's over
3685s	the course of the game which is quite
3687s	strange considering that over most of
3690s	the game they've been three or four for
3692s	running your opponent in most spots
3694s	here we go i really like this from the
3696s	honestly going for another bristleback
3697s	night
3699s	and just saying wind fury super strong
3702s	the divine shield going in there the
3703s	incredibly high attack but now we just
3705s	see just just an amalgam just chilling i
3707s	think it was like a six seven or six
3709s	eight or something there
3711s	finally it's gonna be a win there we go
3712s	a w and six plus six makes twelve this
3716s	is the spot that we've been in for quite
3719s	some time very nicely done yeah i do
3721s	think that bristleback night is a very
3723s	cute tech not something that i've been
3725s	involving in my gameplay particularly
3727s	obviously it's very specific to vol'jin
3729s	exactly um but just the idea of the
3732s	frenzy most importantly like yeah divine
3734s	shield's great uh win fury is great but
3737s	a win fury
3739s	irrelevant to sometimes positive
3741s	sometimes negative wind fury is a hard
3743s	thing to quantify in in terms of
3744s	particular board state but it's the
3746s	frenzy right it's that that promise of
3748s	an additional divine shield and i think
3751s	opponent um sjmr was kind of responding
3754s	as best he could the only way to stop
3756s	all those frenzies and divine shields
3757s	going off is just to kind of lean back
3759s	into full poison scam on the other side
3761s	i think he recognized uh that he was the
3764s	smaller of the two players he went more
3766s	heavily into divine shield poison
3769s	but i think his final push was one turn
3771s	earlier because it was as we joined sjmr
3774s	he was out of divine shields i think his
3776s	glow scales were used up and sold so he
3779s	didn't have divine shields left in his
3780s	hand to continue to divine shield his
3782s	poison murlocs at that point and that
3784s	left him in a position where he was
3786s	always going to struggle from that point
3787s	did very well to find as many mounted
3789s	queens and leroys to fill up as he could
3791s	but in the end jana say just did a
3793s	little bit too much but congratulations
3795s	of course to uh all of our players who
3798s	successfully did the thing
3800s	won the game and i think already in game
3803s	one we saw the the full ver i'll put i'm
3805s	not gonna say full but a large variety
3808s	of the general play styles and outcomes
3810s	right uh alucard went super early and
3813s	and super value-based getting that early
3815s	tavern but got punished for the general
3817s	lack of tempo and weakness by going down
3819s	so low did still manage the top four
3821s	though uh we had players such as sixxo
3824s	and beaufort not get hold of the the
3827s	naga and being able to really bank on
3829s	that so having to do something different
3831s	and you know getting punished for it in
3833s	all honesty yeah they didn't go out in
3835s	eighth but still it was pretty bad
3837s	and then we had players such as uh
3839s	janice who just did pop off with naga
3841s	and then managed to very nicely execute
3844s	the late game 1v1s which happens in a
3847s	large amount of games when both you know
3850s	that there are at least two players
3851s	popping off with naga which there
3853s	normally is at the moment and this is my
3855s	question now just going back looking at
3857s	sao king here um
3860s	was the big question for me is could
3862s	more have been made out of that faux
3864s	reaper as a potential solution to the
3866s	problems that was being on the other
3867s	side i don't necessarily think that
3868s	would be the case because it was so
3870s	divine shield heavy and
3873s	everything was above 100 on the other
3875s	side which would have made it still very
3876s	difficult even with the faux reaper
3878s	to be able to get work done overall but
3880s	i do think that was maybe the one route
3882s	that could have been looked at a little
3884s	bit more heavily uh from south king who
3886s	i believe i was in uh erroneously
3888s	referring to as sjmr a couple of seconds
3890s	ago apologies for that um but for me i
3892s	think it was a very interesting battle
3894s	in the first game and i think a good
3896s	snapshot of what we're going to be
3898s	looking at for most of the game
3899s	yeah it was interesting as one of the
3901s	reasons i was bringing up the golem
3903s	reaper i'm going to choose to call it
3905s	going forward and it was that it's it's
3908s	attack was relatively low when we're
3909s	talking about naga numbers of course but
3912s	also it's it's position like middle ish
3916s	in the row was kind of strange too
3918s	because it it didn't look like he was
3919s	even trying to use it as a divine shield
3921s	breaker right you know okay if it
3923s	attacks second or third i can maybe
3925s	knock two to three divine shields out
3926s	and then that'll help me so yeah it
3928s	didn't really pay off too well but there
3930s	you see the leaderboard after the first
3932s	game here with the nsa getting those
3934s	seven points and already eyes will be
3937s	drawn to the natural top and bottom of
3940s	this leaderboard but do i just quickly
3942s	break down why there are suddenly point
3944s	numbers on this screen subtle that makes
3946s	it look very messy indeed
3948s	yeah so when the players are eliminated
3950s	at the same time so if you die and
3952s	someone else dies at the same time and
3955s	there were various ways of handling this
3958s	but i think in designing the rules for
3959s	this hearthstone esports decide the best
3961s	way to handle it which is the same way
3963s	that the ladder and the client handles
3965s	it which is if you die at the same time
3966s	as your opponent even though you are
3968s	arbitrarily assigned which one of you
3970s	came sixth or seventh for example uh
3973s	your mmr gain in terms of ladder is
3975s	split evenly between the players who
3977s	tied for the same place so that is
3979s	essentially the same thing that we are
3981s	doing for lobby legends so if you die at
3983s	the same time as someone else it's the
3985s	point for the two positions you died in
3988s	added together and then divided by two
3990s	as same as your three players die at the
3992s	same time but divided by three and so on
3994s	and that's why you might see some
3996s	fractional and decimal scores coming out
3998s	on our leaderboards but hopefully you
4000s	can all follow along as we get to uh one
4002s	decimal place of significant data yeah
4006s	as long as it doesn't keep going wider
4008s	and wider it's like yeah point three
4009s	four five six two one uh i'll i'll be
4012s	able to keep up just about uh it says a
4014s	lot about your brain that when called
4016s	upon to do a random string of numbers it
4018s	was just consecutive years
4022s	point proven i think you'll find subtle
4024s	point proven indeed uh well that was the
4027s	first game of our first lobby of the day
4030s	feels like it went by in a flash but
4032s	we've got plenty more where that came up
4033s	we're going to go to a quick break while
4034s	we set up
4035s	game number two of lobby a so don't go
4038s	anywhere we'll be right back
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4049s	[Music]
4091s	ah
4094s	[Music]
4117s	[Music]
4126s	[Music]
4130s	[Applause]
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4189s	[Music]
4208s	[Music]
4236s	welcome back everyone to lobby legends
4238s	noble garden we are about to start our
4240s	game two of lobby a here we just had uh
4243s	you know the first game an exciting one
4245s	indeed coming down to guess what two
4247s	naga comes facing off against each other
4250s	for a few rounds but some really
4252s	creative ways to to uh sort of gain an
4255s	edge on your opponent we saw in there
4257s	but overall what you takes from game one
4259s	because this is the first game of this
4261s	fresh brand new meta
4263s	yeah i posed a question at the start
4265s	which needed answering because we don't
4268s	know what the competitive meta looked
4269s	like and we've been burned before so i
4272s	have to ask the question
4273s	can they find a way to absolutely tempo
4276s	out hard enough that players lose too
4278s	much health to triple into sixes right
4281s	and then you kind of cut off
4283s	naga at source by doing it that way
4285s	based on one game sample size the answer
4288s	to that is a resounding
4289s	no because we saw
4291s	um a reborn death rattle double meccano
4294s	tank with divine shield poison from
4297s	beaufort we saw double scaling wrath
4300s	weavers with um tricksters and divine
4304s	shields from zixo two incredibly high
4307s	tempo opening we didn't dig in with
4309s	roger too much but just from seeing him
4311s	on the other side of combat he was also
4313s	doing early tempo demons with rath
4315s	weaver as well and he died in eighth so
4318s	based on our first game sample
4320s	that stuff just doesn't work which is
4322s	kind of what i i called out at the
4324s	beginning right and i think
4326s	it is going to have to be a matter of
4328s	hit or scam as best as possible and if
4331s	you're not hitting you just have to find
4332s	a way to turn seventh into sixth sixth
4334s	into fifth fifth into fourth and just
4336s	try and do that every game possible wow
4339s	that's a patchwork okay let's go
4343s	yeah and so honestly speaking about this
4346s	pick here because we are looking at uh
4348s	jana say who won the previous lobby so
4351s	currently sitting on seven points um
4354s	obviously the choices weren't
4356s	mind-blowing from what i saw but is is
4359s	this a choice to just say well if i just
4360s	pick patchwork and just again try and
4363s	play all right i'm likely to not get
4365s	eight
4366s	and you know just just to retain some
4368s	level of point gain raven i think you're
4370s	right on the money i think that's
4371s	exactly what it is i think he's looking
4373s	at those heroes and he looks at a
4375s	patchwork and says if i get out of this
4377s	lobby with fourth fifth just from not
4380s	being able to lose health quickly enough
4382s	to
4383s	die before other people
4385s	cool game three go next you know we'll
4387s	work from there i think that's
4389s	absolutely fine in the position that
4390s	he's in makes a lot of sense
4392s	looking around the rest of the tavern
4395s	sjmr has omu one of the very best heroes
4398s	talked about this before uh incentivized
4401s	to level rewarded for leveling and that
4405s	is the absolute turbo nuts opening omu
4409s	wants economy unit on one so he's able
4412s	to do this level on two use that economy
4414s	to then pick up an additional minion
4416s	with that boosted gold from the level
4418s	but picking up not only the economy unit
4421s	high attack economy unit that can
4423s	actually trade nicely with other things
4425s	and then also finding the pair to go
4428s	along with that on the level is
4430s	absolutely massive elsewhere kid on
4432s	barov another massive hero for high
4434s	rolling and going for first alucard on
4437s	the queen ashara same deal great
4439s	position and now xixo this time on the
4442s	myev will be looking to be one of the
4444s	bullies in the uh lobby as well
4447s	very very nice looking spread of heroes
4450s	lots of potential
4452s	high roll potential for a lot of these
4454s	heroes to find their way to those tavern
4456s	six nagas yeah one thing i do want to
4458s	keep an eye on and i'm sure you know we
4459s	can make maybe in a few turns time we'll
4461s	check in but roger playing flogal as
4463s	well is a tough one because roger's
4466s	currently on zero points so he needs big
4469s	finishes for this this game and the next
4471s	one and fleurgal although is very very
4474s	strong uh is it strong enough right i
4477s	think that's gonna be the question that
4478s	needs to be answered here because it's
4480s	not like now uh i mean
4482s	we've i've played a naga game as flogal
4485s	before it happens and maybe roger will
4487s	too but generally speaking the heavy
4490s	focus on murlocs like what result will
4493s	that get roger because if it's not at
4495s	least you know honestly first second at
4497s	this point i think he's gonna have a
4498s	very very difficult task uh go going for
4501s	him in the future
4503s	coin coin level coin hero power for the
4507s	barrows on that position with a triple
4509s	already frozen in shop is a
4512s	interesting line for sure because i
4514s	would imagine with that triple already
4516s	frozen
4517s	uh that you might be looking to level a
4519s	little bit more aggressively in that
4520s	position you are barrel if you continue
4522s	to use bets uh can sorry continue to win
4524s	bets you'll have all the gold that you
4526s	need to be able to power level super
4527s	fast potentially take that even as a six
4530s	so the choice to stay down and defend
4532s	some health there is a really
4534s	interesting one from our barrow of
4536s	player we did not see the choice of the
4539s	bet but we will see at least the outcome
4542s	oh that's terrible news
4545s	for kid i don't know exactly what his
4548s	curve plan is for this triple but i can
4550s	promise you it hinged on getting some
4553s	extra money from some gambling here
4555s	yeah at this point do you think he's
4557s	gonna just level buy something else and
4560s	freeze
4561s	uh just to
4562s	buy more time and not triple into a two
4565s	which feels very uh
4567s	meek at best
4568s	i mean the problem now is yeah because
4570s	he didn't level on the previous turn on
4572s	kind of chief curve and because he
4574s	missed on the bet
4576s	he's now a long way away from actually
4578s	turning that triple into anything
4580s	impactful because
4581s	gone are the days you're like okay i'm
4582s	gonna take a greedy triple here and a
4584s	greedy triple could be a five into a
4586s	bran or something right like that's just
4588s	not good enough anymore you have two
4590s	options you take triple straight away
4592s	for tempo or you take sixes there's no
4595s	middle ground essentially right so he's
4597s	now so far away from being able to uh do
4601s	anything impactful with this it'll be
4602s	very interesting to see how he gets
4604s	there now yeah would actually expect to
4606s	see just a level hero power again next
4608s	turn from him as well
4610s	just to just to try and catch up because
4611s	i think he's already hit the point where
4613s	like the words high roll are gonna come
4615s	into it because he just needs to just
4617s	accelerate the level and hit something
4619s	absolutely huge here he's gonna be able
4621s	to push a decent chunk of damage into
4624s	the omu so uh sjmr is gonna be dropped
4627s	down to what's that 34.
4630s	but still as omu the benefit you get
4632s	from the fast level doesn't really
4633s	matter hello all right to the moon kids
4636s	dilemma is sold we know what's happening
4638s	here that is two triples in shop now and
4641s	a one bet
4643s	and i'm sure we will rejoin him when he
4645s	completes his eventual journey to tavern
4647s	six very relevant by the way there was
4649s	the chef's kiss trade of the spawn of
4651s	n'zoth into his one attack minion during
4654s	that previous fight against the omu
4656s	which probably uh allowed him to push
4658s	damage may have been a tie if that had
4661s	gone differently
4662s	but that meant that meant that he still
4664s	has plenty of health to play with here
4667s	uh south king now does have kind of the
4669s	tempo naga start here with snail and
4672s	lava lurker uh this
4674s	uh generally means you will level uh a
4676s	little bit quicker than other people
4678s	because you will have so many stats on
4680s	board the one thing he is missing right
4682s	now though is just a spellcraft minion
4685s	which he would love to
4686s	welcome to the team at the nearest
4688s	possible juncture because that'll
4690s	activate his snail synergy it'll also
4692s	start uh pumping the lava lurker as well
4694s	and i think that really will allow
4695s	salking to feel very secure about going
4698s	through the levels as quickly as
4699s	possible yeah he does have the uh the
4701s	bootleg version which is uh the little
4704s	there
4705s	over on the left just be able to put
4707s	some way here and make these minions a
4709s	little bit more survivable make the lava
4711s	do a little bit more damage for some
4712s	better trades but you're completely
4714s	right and this is the thing you sort of
4715s	half happy to see and half upset about
4717s	when you want to play nagar is you get
4719s	the good scaling minions but nothing to
4721s	scale them with and that is actually
4723s	just an absurd amount of damage so early
4726s	massive massive chunk of damage really
4729s	important as well people don't
4730s	necessarily know it they do because kid
4733s	is baroff but they don't see the frozen
4735s	shop that we saw so it is extremely
4738s	important that everyone smacks kid as
4740s	hard as possible that sounds awful why
4742s	did i choose those exact words to come
4744s	out of my mouth um
4746s	it's very important to deal as much
4748s	damage to kid as possible in this
4750s	situation because
4752s	if you leave him if you leave him above
4754s	15 he is just going to take greedy
4756s	triples and get two six drops and
4758s	potentially run away with the lobby
4759s	right now they don't know that but their
4762s	their best inclination is well he's a
4764s	baroff who's power leveling there's
4766s	probably a good chance that there is a
4768s	triple frozen in the shop and they would
4769s	be absolutely right in that assessment
4772s	yeah so alucard
4775s	currently on what is that 16 damage at a
4777s	quick count or 16 attack
4779s	um
4781s	not looking like too great of a sharp
4784s	just probably making the choice now
4785s	between just
4786s	leveling up or just going for the roles
4788s	to keep on stacking because i think
4790s	right now solo or at least between the
4792s	casters there are and i don't even mean
4793s	me and subtle but some of the other
4795s	people and the main one may not be
4797s	listening and there's a lot of
4798s	discussion on how
4801s	how to play ashara right and like
4803s	whether you trained stacks
4805s	do you stay low and stack early or
4807s	whether you just like spam level and get
4809s	the hero power when you get it and not
4811s	worry too much i know i know i like to
4813s	just sort of let the hero power proc
4815s	whenever it wants to while i'm playing
4817s	just a naga game anyway
4818s	listen if dragons are in
4821s	there's one thing you want to do yes
4823s	that's the goal you take chroma wing and
4825s	you just try and pump if you get chroma
4827s	wing blood gem or chroma wing mini
4829s	myrmidon you can literally just chief
4832s	curve straight to tavern four and
4835s	complete the quest as you press the
4836s	tavern four button hero power same turn
4838s	that's what you want to do if you can't
4841s	do that that's when the debate comes in
4842s	but i don't think there's necessarily
4843s	much debate on like how to play ashara
4846s	it's how quickly the ashara quest
4848s	completes if you don't have that
4850s	chromowing support sure
4852s	we'll we'll we'll we'll share him out
4854s	specifically because he's listening and
4855s	he can't argue back which is the best
4857s	scenario
4858s	but lorinda was telling me that you
4860s	always complete on five or six which i
4862s	completely disagree with and i think you
4863s	just saw the evidence there alucard i'm
4866s	sure knows what he's doing he's played
4868s	high tempo i'm sure he's bought the
4870s	biggest things that he can possibly find
4871s	he just went through turn six tavern
4874s	phase without completing a shot request
4876s	so i think i think average is above six
4879s	if you're not hitting chroma wing and
4880s	that does become a bit of a problem big
4882s	point here a few people might be
4885s	mind blown here that if this has not
4887s	already been picked
4888s	bought
4890s	without any actual buffs of course there
4892s	are the the coins in the hand there and
4894s	that's a big deal for uh ayanna say but
4897s	yeah i it hurts me to say it but i think
4900s	i agree with this
4902s	yeah so
4903s	i'm very interested in this debate
4906s	um
4907s	because i do think it's very contextual
4909s	obviously it becomes more contextual in
4913s	janusa's position because he doesn't
4914s	necessarily have to play to win the
4915s	lobby either which is another
4916s	interesting dynamic which i won't even
4918s	factor in uh just for the sake of
4920s	brevity here but there are certain
4922s	supports that make each of those picks
4925s	individually bigger right if you have a
4927s	siren for example snap pick or gezoa
4930s	because then siren's milking your orgasm
4932s	immediately you get tons of value over
4934s	time if you already have
4936s	two or three other spellcraft minions so
4938s	you have a nice ford naga package that
4940s	you're happy to buff then for me that
4942s	becomes the immediate officer and you
4944s	just tempo and bully people play all
4946s	your spells buff the four spellcraft
4947s	naga that you already have and just go
4949s	in from there either way you probably
4952s	get strong enough to level to six the
4953s	next turn so i don't think that really
4955s	factors into the debate
4957s	um but i do think it is largely
4959s	contextual based on what minions you
4961s	have in play but i think beyonce it
4962s	would have been more contextual just on
4964s	what he wants to do in this particular
4966s	game i'll tell you something though just
4968s	speaking about the uh
4970s	the monster variant i would not want to
4972s	be a siren because i would not want to
4973s	try and milk one of those
4976s	quite the dangerous job honestly and i'm
4978s	not not down for that so although i have
4980s	a huge respect for siren as a minion
4982s	here wouldn't want the job
4984s	but here we are jumping over to a
4985s	beaufort who is doing like this looks
4988s	like the starter kit right of just doing
4991s	good naga things uh there's the um
4995s	there's the shoal commander which is
4997s	huge especially when you can start
4998s	stacking buffs as well and then there's
5001s	the siren these are like some of the the
5003s	core minions at least i would say
5005s	for now that beaufort can possibly want
5007s	so it's looking all right he's on 26
5009s	health as for a farm as well and reform
5012s	can really get silly both i would say in
5014s	the very early and the very late game
5018s	everyone hitting this lobby it looks
5020s	like zixo has found the orcazo as well
5024s	does also have a ton of blood gems in
5026s	hand which looks like he has been
5028s	greeting for some time unless he's
5030s	picked them up all on this turn in
5032s	particular uh just based on the
5034s	positioning of the spellcraft it looks
5037s	like he may have had two blood gems from
5039s	the previous term but hard to be sure
5042s	uh however he does he's going down the
5044s	double brute line as well which um you
5047s	know to me
5048s	allows it allows him a little bit of
5049s	extra tempo early on he might just be
5051s	able to bully a few people by just being
5053s	initially bigger right now with the
5055s	double brute
5056s	but he is kind of locked into those
5059s	brutes now and i do think those brutes
5061s	eating up board space for the late game
5063s	similar to what i was saying about lava
5064s	lurker before but in this case even more
5066s	so
5067s	um they're just eating up board spaces
5069s	that if you're going to go full naga
5071s	just aren't spellcraft minions are not
5073s	being procked by your golden siren and
5075s	allowing plus 16 plus 16 from your
5078s	golden officer by the end of the game
5080s	big big deal overall roger surviving as
5083s	a fleurgal on two health here thank you
5086s	damage cap we go again yeah honestly
5089s	just quickly on brutes i normally like
5091s	one or golden i don't normally like two
5094s	it depends on when you get the brute as
5095s	well for that exact reason but i do
5097s	think sixxo uh was is sitting at 15 so i
5101s	i think he had to go there and go save
5103s	because remember he gained one point
5105s	from the previous lobby he needs to just
5107s	survive to give himself a chance roger
5109s	now on two means that any damage is
5111s	going to basically take him out of this
5113s	game and honestly probably just out of
5116s	his chances of actually making it
5117s	through to tomorrow already
5122s	and this is what i was talking about
5123s	right like we've been talking about naga
5125s	the really the way you're consistently
5127s	going to be able to win lobbies or top
5130s	two lobbies for example uh the fleurgal
5132s	although a good hero just
5134s	doesn't feel good enough even when
5137s	you're doing stuff like this like
5139s	roger's doing well right he's got some a
5142s	lot of big murlocs he's not got the
5143s	seven which is like the thing you were
5146s	really missing right now or a brand i
5148s	guess but overall
5150s	the murlocs are strong are they strong
5152s	enough to survive
5153s	real quick can we just go back to roger
5155s	just for the finish of this term because
5157s	it looks like he's about to hold cards
5159s	in hand on two health okay no that's
5160s	fine it looked like he was stopping with
5163s	cards in hand and he was like 2 hp which
5166s	would have been absolutely absurd but
5168s	that is fine he is finishing the turn
5170s	maxing out tempo as hard as he possibly
5171s	can
5174s	like look at this board it looks fine is
5177s	the word i would use yeah if we weren't
5179s	in a narghay meta right it's it's fine
5182s	we'll see uh oh here we go already
5184s	mounted on one side pretty low value
5187s	board overall here
5189s	running into uh
5191s	yep definitely with that trade going
5194s	into the gurgle that was always going to
5195s	be enough now so he has defended his two
5198s	hp for now that is a big big deal
5201s	patchwork will of course live to fight
5202s	another day regardless because damage
5204s	cap is still in play with all eight
5206s	players alive uh only took 12 it looks
5209s	like there anyway so all of our naga
5211s	players still hanging around no
5214s	kid on the barrow has bitten the dust
5218s	with the double triple into six early he
5221s	then looked level to six on that baroff
5224s	but then was taken out so we do have kid
5227s	now going out in eighth place which is a
5230s	big problem for him puts him right back
5234s	into the middle of the pack
5235s	4.5 points from the first lobby now
5238s	picking up zero means he is going had to
5241s	have to scrap for placement in that
5242s	final lobby it was the same issue he had
5245s	some good cards but a lot of it just
5247s	felt like a menagerie of just some good
5249s	minions as opposed to how synergistic
5252s	for example sjmr's board is i think
5255s	if i'm looking at this right on our
5257s	little tracking tools he had a golden
5259s	orchestra yes and he died that's disk he
5262s	had siren golden org and died with it
5266s	that is so unfortunate for kid that is a
5269s	lobby winning setup right there but just
5271s	did not have enough immediate tempo and
5274s	that's the argument right orgazoa set
5277s	you up for long-term value over the
5279s	course of the game officer immediate
5281s	tempo and murder people that's the
5283s	option that we saw players being given
5285s	very specifically
5287s	which is a big big deal and these greedy
5289s	greedy orgas players are actually just
5291s	starting to get picked off a little bit
5293s	even this it does make sense as well
5295s	because the other minions were like
5296s	chalga uh you know and
5300s	yeah mama like it's just not minions
5302s	that are realistically going to make an
5304s	impact when you look at some of the
5305s	other boards we've got so far
5307s	sgmr
5309s	doing well so far again just has the the
5311s	key components um isn't playing vol jin
5314s	so this bristleback knight is not gonna
5317s	get you know omega huge but it's
5319s	probably big enough at the moment to
5321s	just you know have enough of an impact
5322s	in on the game but you definitely will
5324s	need to start stacking buffs very very
5326s	quickly indeed because sjmr simply
5328s	cannot afford to lose a fight from this
5330s	point onwards
5332s	yup we can now see how big alucard has
5335s	got on the ashara i'm presuming massive
5338s	but i like this taunted leroy on the
5340s	right here from sjmr as you see
5343s	immediately rewarded
5345s	classically if they haven't seen your
5346s	board yet a naga player is going to have
5349s	a huge divine shield minion attacking
5351s	first so that is a smart choice from
5354s	sjmr giving himself the best possible
5356s	odds but queen ashara too big hit too
5360s	early that is double officer on the
5363s	other side i think i might have a
5365s	suspicion of who murdered the barrow if
5367s	i had to guess what happened in the
5370s	previous fight it's roger oh roger got a
5373s	draw
5374s	very nice that's huge but yeah and we
5377s	just saw quickly then from alucard i'd
5379s	love to set up golden siren normal siren
5382s	uh two this is as well just really
5385s	popping off with those buff stackings
5388s	coming over to six so he's having a much
5390s	better game he got taken down to 15
5392s	relatively early but he's managed to
5394s	really stabilize just sticking on 15
5396s	health and you know at least drawing
5398s	fights if not winning a few two
5401s	yeah and from what we've seen from uh
5403s	yeah on
5405s	patchwork
5407s	the board is not going to compete with
5409s	these brutes unless there has been a
5411s	significant upgrade these brutes are
5413s	paying out pretty big for zik so right
5415s	now bran murasand i think mirazond in
5418s	general is a very very nice choice in
5420s	the meta you do have to reprogram
5422s	yourself to see murazond as a naga you
5425s	just have to re-categorize it because
5427s	that's what it's going to be most of the
5429s	time since most of your late game
5431s	opponents are going to be playing that
5432s	particular minion type this a this a
5434s	pickup now for yana say is huge this
5437s	allows some amount of stats being dumped
5439s	on the board he does also have two
5441s	minion types for that mantid queen uh
5443s	but as far as i can see none of the
5445s	spellcraft on it already which would
5447s	allow it to cheat chances at finding
5450s	divine shield right if you put the wind
5451s	fury or taunt spellcraft on the mantid
5454s	queen it then already has that
5456s	enchantment and can't gain it from the
5459s	start of combat effect but that is a
5461s	vanilla mounted queen as far as i can
5462s	see so it's just gonna roll twice yeah
5464s	and this is the frustration you can hit
5466s	and i've been in this uh position many
5468s	times where you think you have a good
5470s	naga board but then you just never hit
5472s	the triple and then you realize you're
5474s	taking one spellcraft minion out for
5476s	another and like does that really
5478s	improve improve your board the passive
5481s	scaling is just so monstrous from that
5483s	double siren no divine shield though but
5486s	look at the difference it made that's
5488s	such a bad trade though but you looked
5491s	at the way the two boards matched up
5492s	going into the fight and you're like
5493s	yeah zixo still has that then the
5496s	passive scaling kicked in then janazei
5498s	was probably i would say favored from
5501s	that position but he missed on the
5503s	divine shield on the mantid queen and
5505s	then got the worst possible trades with
5508s	his quillboard as well which means he is
5510s	going to go down alongside roger both
5513s	going down in fifth sixth i know and and
5516s	and south king as well right and salking
5518s	as well yeah all three one okay yeah
5520s	incredible she's uh good for janice too
5522s	right it's just that extra little you
5523s	know evening out the points a little bit
5525s	more which is gonna
5528s	more than likely keep him at least in
5529s	the top four after this game moving on
5532s	though to halo card like having the time
5534s	of his life i uh alucard was joint 3-4
5538s	last lobby right uh so he's uh sitting
5540s	on 4.5 points right now and honestly
5544s	subtle
5546s	unless something crazy happens he's
5547s	looking like he's going to run away with
5549s	this because none of the other players
5551s	that are still alive feel even remotely
5553s	this strong
5555s	yeah i'm scanning around the rest of the
5556s	lobby and i'm not really seeing a
5558s	competitor i guess we go have a look at
5560s	beaufort right now who looks like he
5562s	might be in the closest spot to be able
5564s	to fight with this there you see it does
5566s	have the ghost on this turn as well
5568s	we'll give the option to full greed but
5570s	you can still see
5572s	i said we get into this a little bit
5573s	later on in terms of optimizing your
5575s	late game officer board i would say
5577s	beaufort is some way away from doing
5578s	that you want gold and siren which he
5580s	does not have you want
5582s	zero
5584s	spaces on your board being used up by
5586s	things that are not spellcraft or a
5589s	fissa and currently he's just locked
5591s	into that snail it's too big he can't
5593s	sell it right if he sells it he's gonna
5595s	lose a fight and die over the next two
5598s	turns he might just win this turn
5599s	against the ghost but he'll still lose
5601s	the next turns he won't be able to
5602s	replace it with a minion of equal size
5604s	um so he's still somewhere away from
5606s	making it happen whereas if we look at
5607s	this well that's a golden siren that's a
5610s	regular siren and that's every space on
5612s	the board being used up by a fistus or
5614s	spellcraft minions that is exactly what
5617s	you want at this point in the game yeah
5619s	blue right gonna take out the glow scale
5621s	but again that's normally not a problem
5623s	because glow scales small closed scales
5625s	actually big here from because it's been
5627s	around for a while and the two this is
5629s	but also most importantly alucard's just
5631s	infinitely bigger than a six so right
5634s	now and he is just going to knock six so
5636s	out but a good recovery there at six so
5638s	i think seventh last game and now third
5641s	like that's that's fine right that keeps
5644s	him in i think going into game three
5647s	yes i did you as you as you well know um
5649s	the three of us lorinda who is doing the
5651s	observing and spectating for this event
5653s	myself and raymond we spent a lot of
5655s	time over the last couple of days in a
5657s	call together jamming games and screen
5659s	sharing and just you know
5660s	sharing thoughts and things about the
5662s	game for this event
5664s	lorinda would get into these positions
5666s	in the late game where he'd be like
5667s	final two final three or whatever she's
5669s	like oh oh do i win this fight because
5671s	like he's he's taunted his leroy or
5673s	whatever i'm like lorinda you're three
5675s	times as big as your opponent yeah
5678s	the positioning does not matter here
5683s	yeah that is just kind of what we're
5684s	looking at here with alucard just bigger
5694s	and as the great slicer once told me
5696s	size matters
5699s	but that honestly i had no clue where
5701s	you were gonna go with quotes because
5703s	there are so many
5707s	you know again beaufort
5710s	imagine
5711s	but i imagine he has an inkling that he
5714s	needs to do something miraculous here to
5716s	to be able to have any chance of winning
5718s	this versus alucard i'm not sure when
5719s	the last time he thought him was i
5722s	imagine because he's still alive it's a
5723s	while ago uh but
5726s	still gonna be happy at second place if
5729s	that's what happens here building on
5730s	that 2.5 points he got from the previous
5733s	game
5734s	yeah the leroy will do a little bit of
5737s	work here at the very least um but
5739s	unfortunately
5740s	he is just smaller i believe that his
5743s	opponent at this point would not be
5744s	surprised to see alucard picking up a
5746s	small taunt to compensate for the divine
5749s	shield yep there it is taunting the
5751s	siren up on the other side that works
5752s	too yeah beaufort wins the 50-50
5755s	regardless killing the bigger minion but
5757s	it just does not matter this is the
5758s	lorinda situation we can talk about the
5760s	little interactions all we want alucard
5762s	is just twice as big as his opponent
5766s	yeah like you said the snail just not
5768s	good enough right couldn't quite kill
5770s	anything off and that does mean other
5772s	cards going to take game number two both
5774s	are coming in second and i do think that
5777s	is a
5778s	wishing that some of the leader board
5780s	together but with what a a third fourth
5784s	and a first place alucard is looking
5786s	fantastic uh going into this final game
5790s	of this lobby he's looking great and
5792s	must be feeling pretty confident and
5793s	maybe we'll see him do the pat not
5796s	specifically patchwork but that style of
5798s	yes of course you'll play to win but at
5800s	any point you look like you're falling
5802s	behind do anything you can to just gain
5804s	one extra two extra points because that
5806s	will probably secure alucard uh a solid
5810s	enough position to make it to tomorrow
5812s	i just want to shout out the mentality
5814s	as well obviously we can't hear beaufort
5816s	if anyone actually has both a stream
5818s	opening they can speak to how much salt
5820s	was being pushed through those grins
5822s	um but his attitude so far i think you
5825s	know just laughing that off smiling like
5827s	yep all right nothing i can do about
5828s	that alucard's just bigger hit harder
5830s	hit earlier i will take my points and i
5832s	will sit now happily in uh in fourth
5834s	place which is exactly where he wants to
5837s	be in the scenario he's in with a shout
5839s	he just needs to have one more decent
5841s	lobby and he's going to find himself
5842s	through to sunday uh roger in colossal
5845s	trouble sjmr in colossal trouble kid
5849s	unbelievably if you'd have shown me
5851s	that board
5852s	with two triples as baroff off the back
5856s	of a successful bet with three coins
5858s	coming into the hand that turn i would
5860s	have said barrow was going to do very
5861s	well in that lobby but it was a fat
5863s	eighth for kid which means he is now in
5865s	trouble as well and you would imagine
5868s	unless something spectacular happens the
5870s	fight for top four is going to be
5872s	between the current top five with maybe
5875s	just kid trying to sneak in there if you
5877s	can really make something special happen
5879s	yeah it's the fact that even just from
5881s	beaufort kid is four whole points away
5884s	right like that is a big point
5886s	difference to actually uh try and make
5888s	up for in one game i do again feel sorry
5891s	for kid i think that turn we actually
5893s	sort of tuned into his view and saw the
5895s	failed baroff turn right i think that
5898s	was maybe the point where if we'd made
5900s	that turn and won that role and
5903s	things would have looked a lot more
5905s	different than zero points would be my
5907s	offering here
5908s	so he would have maybe been that one
5910s	turn ahead of the game but already
5912s	alucard is 11.5 points i mean even if he
5916s	got zero points this game there's
5919s	probably a solid chance he's still in
5921s	the running depending on how the rest of
5922s	lobby uh plays out of course so yeah
5925s	we'll have to see how that one goes but
5927s	uh again that that one fell a lot faster
5930s	right and i think we saw again the
5932s	different style of end game where
5933s	instead of two players sort of uh a
5936s	dueling for that top finish it was very
5939s	much like no i got there first i got
5942s	there better i have more stuff than you
5944s	therefore i will just punch you very
5945s	hard and that like one big fight was all
5948s	that was really needed but also i do
5950s	think there is one point to look at as
5952s	well which is
5954s	we didn't see how every player ended up
5956s	with an orgasm on their board but
5958s	basically every player ended up with an
5959s	orgasm on their board um we saw one
5962s	player in specific take that over the
5965s	ethissa and i do think the players that
5967s	were still milking and setting up with
5968s	the orgazoa
5970s	just got murdered by the officer players
5972s	right which is definitely something to
5974s	look at i think certainly on ladder the
5977s	overwhelming weight seems to be going to
5979s	you take orgazoa first if you have the
5981s	option because that allows you to set up
5983s	and spiral but i do think you know when
5985s	everyone is playing more optimally when
5987s	every point of gold when every stat is
5989s	being maximized when everyone's playing
5991s	super well
5993s	that ability to just die while you are
5995s	being just that one touch too greedy is
5998s	something that you do have to keep an
5999s	eye on but again that is always in
6001s	competitive play
6003s	massively contextual not only based on
6006s	your board state but also based on your
6007s	game state and your tournament state
6010s	right right as to how greedy you need to
6011s	be in any given
6013s	and i will say i think that that one we
6015s	did see on stream of the actual you know
6017s	the heads up in the discover uh was i
6020s	think uh
6022s	omu which means that i think at that
6025s	point you're like three four minions on
6027s	board because they were they were
6028s	pushing the levels and i think one other
6030s	minion was a naga so then i think like
6033s	on that one point i can definitely see
6035s	it more than others where it's less
6037s	about you know milking and more about
6039s	well i need some nagas before i try and
6041s	pop off with a fist so right or it won't
6043s	really achieve much anyway
6045s	but yeah very interesting game number
6047s	two and then already i feel like time is
6050s	flying subtle but we are getting ready
6053s	for our game three and final game of
6055s	this lobby and just in case you're just
6057s	joining us i don't really know how lobby
6058s	legends works there are two lobbies of
6060s	eight players each uh with this is lobby
6063s	a now and we're on our third game once
6065s	this next one's going to be over and we
6067s	are going to go up to lobby b so a new
6068s	set of eight players you haven't seen on
6070s	stream yet and then they will play out
6072s	their three games and then the top eight
6074s	from both of those sets will then go
6076s	into uh tomorrow's play for that final
6079s	day and i absolutely cannot wait but i
6081s	believe for now we are gonna jump to a
6082s	quick break while we set up the next
6084s	game so don't go anywhere we'll be right
6086s	back
6089s	[Music]
6095s	oh it's good to have you back can i get
6098s	you anything
6113s	it's a good time to hire some new
6116s	minions
6119s	what
6123s	[Music]
6127s	you can't go wrong with that one
6129s	[Music]
6133s	a solid choice
6135s	[Music]
6138s	crush them beneath the tides
6141s	follow your queen
6143s	[Music]
6144s	your new recruit is ready to go
6148s	[Music]
6153s	victory never tasted sweeter
6156s	[Music]
6192s	foreign
6195s	[Music]
6249s	[Music]
6255s	[Music]
6259s	[Applause]
6260s	[Music]
6265s	[Applause]
6268s	[Music]
6268s	[Applause]
6275s	[Music]
6284s	we are getting ready to get into game
6285s	number three here at lobby legends noble
6287s	garden and what an exciting one it's
6289s	been so far
6291s	pretty much a brand new patch brand new
6293s	meta and a set of great players here
6295s	currently being led subtle by alucard
6297s	who had a very solid fourth place finish
6299s	or joint third fourth sorry in game
6302s	number one and then
6303s	look like he easily finished first in
6305s	game number two so he'll be looking to
6307s	sort of just cruise through this game if
6310s	things aren't going well
6311s	yeah queen ashara one of the highest
6314s	first place potential heroes in the game
6317s	uh actually reporting based on stat
6319s	tracking as a tier four hero right now
6321s	even at high mmr which is super weird to
6324s	me personally
6325s	i definitely would understand it being
6327s	like first or eighth and then therefore
6329s	being not a tier one hero just based on
6332s	average i do think in the hands of very
6333s	very good players uh it is a fantastic
6336s	hero overall but it does make the choice
6339s	to even pick it in alucard's position
6342s	kind of interesting because as you said
6344s	4.5 from the initial lobby and then he
6348s	went for a hero that is kind of first or
6350s	eighth a little bit in my opinion people
6352s	might you know disagree with that
6353s	somewhat and say that you know even when
6355s	it misses it can still hang in there but
6357s	i do think that was an interesting
6358s	decision overall uh speaking of which i
6361s	do believe unless this is a test game
6364s	players are currently being offered some
6365s	heroes right now and there are some
6368s	great looking choices
6370s	both in fourth looking to consolidate
6372s	but there is the queen ashara up against
6375s	shutter walk again second time zixo has
6378s	been offered shudder with no beasts in
6381s	the lobby that's brutal and he's now
6384s	ending up with ashara no dragons as well
6388s	the minion types have not been kind to
6390s	xo with the heroes he has been offered i
6392s	would say they haven't but even without
6394s	dragons i think the shower is a good
6396s	pick because as you were just saying it
6397s	said it feels like
6400s	the highest potential first place and
6401s	guess what zikzo currently sitting on
6403s	six points uh maybe doesn't need a first
6406s	but if he gets it he it's even better
6409s	right i think he needs something big
6410s	because relying on everyone above him
6413s	doing poorly i think it's not a good
6415s	plan indeed but seoul we have a your
6417s	hero here in the lobby uh from south
6420s	king picking up scabs the hero uh he's
6422s	pretty much all i saw you play while he
6424s	would jam in the last few games you're
6426s	like oh i've been up at scabs again i
6428s	guess i'm just going to win this lobby
6430s	do you want to talk to us about some of
6431s	these uh
6432s	i'll call them thief heroes that are
6434s	currently in the game
6436s	very strong in this current matter
6439s	yeah so tess reform
6441s	scabs uh the card mirazons these are all
6444s	things that have got
6446s	stronger
6447s	yeah these are all things that have got
6449s	infinitely stronger because everyone is
6451s	kind of playing monotype right there's
6453s	just naga everywhere uh scabs if you
6456s	kind of rewind to pre um body meta scabs
6459s	was a top tier hero back then initially
6461s	just because of the way that weaving in
6463s	a two mana hero power to early curves
6465s	works um you can do aggro curve on this
6468s	turn for example if you find any economy
6470s	unit in your first two shops or your
6472s	opponent's board or you can just solve
6475s	that magical problem of pick up a tempo
6477s	minion on term one level to two
6480s	then what do you do on two with five
6482s	gold right that's always the eternal
6483s	problems one of the most difficult turns
6484s	to navigate in the game i think um when
6487s	you have scabs hero power that's just
6488s	not an issue right because you can
6490s	always just hear a power and buy a
6491s	minion
6492s	that's
6493s	great for scabs overall but more
6496s	importantly just getting to press a
6498s	button and having a three out of seven
6500s	chance to get an officer every single
6502s	turn for the for the late game is just
6505s	insane and it's very hard to be able to
6507s	cope with that on the other side um
6509s	because for example
6511s	tess buying one of this costs four gold
6514s	over the over the course of a turn right
6516s	one to roll three then to buy the
6517s	officer if you buy two minions then that
6519s	one gold hero power is split between the
6521s	two minions that you bought but scabs
6523s	just goes uh two mana okay there it is
6525s	cool i'm done moving on with my life um
6528s	so i think scabs in particular is just
6530s	one of the absolute best heroes in the
6532s	game right now
6534s	and already looking here from beaufort
6535s	has the up option for the triple
6539s	michelle here he could just level
6541s	even maybe use the coin to buy something
6544s	else if he wants to just push out this
6545s	greed or do you think it's uh too greedy
6548s	there and instead like level coinbind
6550s	now could be worthwhile to just get
6552s	triple into three
6554s	i think leaving it in the shop is
6556s	absolutely fine he's mutinous so i
6559s	expect he will be okay for early tempo
6561s	anyway
6562s	uh therefore you know you could argue
6564s	right this is where this warped level of
6567s	meta really changes decisions for a lot
6569s	of players
6570s	um in beaufort's position
6572s	third or fourth this game probably fine
6575s	right in the spot that he's in in the
6576s	the leaderboard overall in terms of
6578s	making through to tomorrow which is what
6579s	matters so a lot of people would argue
6582s	um in
6584s	going back to old metals you'd say well
6586s	early triple into a three tempo triple
6588s	into a four maybe pick up a meccano tank
6590s	something like that
6591s	that's going to allow me to get you know
6593s	top four fairly consistently oh i just
6596s	don't think that's the case i think
6597s	let's get sixth in this meta right and
6599s	that's not really what both are still
6600s	trying to do so i do still think he's
6602s	gonna be a little bit greedier than
6603s	usual in this spot really nice shop
6605s	there for six so right you know he gets
6608s	the shoal commander along with william
6609s	fiore there can actually throw that onto
6611s	the wind fury if he feels he needs it
6614s	but also it depends who he's against
6616s	right he's going up against scabs
6618s	so again i think if he was looking at
6621s	being against a daryl or a mutinous
6623s	maybe he'd look at putting it on the
6625s	wind fury but i think because he isn't
6627s	this might be just overall a little bit
6629s	better to just because i think it's
6631s	likely the 4-1 is gonna kill a couple of
6634s	things at this point in the uh in the
6636s	game
6636s	and i think very specifically if xo were
6639s	to mouse over scabs right now i believe
6640s	he would see naga three based on the
6643s	previous turn of what scabs had naga
6646s	three this early means your opponent has
6648s	three minions with three attack very
6650s	commonly right three one and the one
6652s	three which is essentially a three three
6654s	because you pump it with its own
6655s	spellcraft spell which means four one
6657s	divine shield kills two of those things
6659s	four four kills two of those things and
6662s	which will enable very nice trades for
6664s	him across the board and there you see
6665s	that exact situation panning out however
6668s	4-1 pop-bot has come along to play
6670s	spoiler thankfully xo does dodge that
6672s	disaster trade for the extra point of
6674s	damage though
6678s	checking on that kid who is currently
6680s	playing bran
6681s	was sitting at the top and i believe
6683s	still is or at least joint top along
6685s	with roger as going pretty wide has got
6688s	his uh
6689s	his brand up ready to go right now with
6691s	the murlocs again but
6694s	it needs to do something uh big this
6696s	game to be able to really have a chance
6698s	at finishing top four currently sitting
6700s	on at 4.5 points
6703s	which is uh sixth right now and a long
6706s	time away from beaufort who's fourth i
6708s	don't know if anyone involved caught the
6710s	hero choices here but you know coming
6712s	into a lobby right i'm in trouble i'm
6714s	four points off qualifying i need a win
6717s	probably first or second
6719s	i bet on bran in the naga meta that
6722s	seems like a strange decision to me um
6725s	again old meta body meta even pre-body
6727s	meta sure i can see it right bran wins
6730s	lobbies when bran has a good game i
6733s	think even a good brand game in this
6735s	meta is going to get fourth right and
6737s	lose to the naga players so i would be
6740s	amazed if uh
6743s	kid actually saw kind of a reasonable
6745s	pool of heroes there i think he probably
6746s	just ended up with the best of a bad
6748s	bunch with that brown pickup speaking of
6750s	hero choices uh jana say here ending up
6753s	on the dancing daryl we were informed by
6757s	lorinda thank you very much that he
6758s	passed up a galacron to do this which is
6762s	that is tournament gaming right there
6764s	that's exactly what that is galakrond
6766s	some people's opinion the best hero in
6768s	the game right now um but jana sage is
6771s	saying you know what daryl is still
6773s	daryl and i believe that even in this
6776s	level of a spike meta i still think
6779s	daryl can get me
6781s	one or two more points on the board and
6783s	just absolutely lock this thing up very
6785s	very consistently this is an absolute
6787s	tournament pick from janice you're
6789s	rewarded for it as well with double pop
6791s	bot dances as well like looking very
6794s	very strong indeed i do wonder when he's
6796s	gonna transition out of that but now sal
6799s	king doesn't even
6800s	he has all the triples he could ever
6802s	want here he doesn't have to buy
6804s	that he's just gonna get it done now
6805s	with the triple shell collector now has
6807s	the triple mermaid as well
6810s	already
6811s	iv
6812s	really oh you wanted to wait and then
6815s	level play next turn
6817s	uh quick check where is sulking in the
6820s	standings he has nine points okay this
6822s	might be okay just in terms of
6824s	tournament meta gaming this might be
6826s	okay like a ladder game maximizing mmr
6829s	this is two sixes all day of the week i
6832s	still would argue again i'm gonna keep
6835s	going back to this point but the meta is
6836s	so polarized right now but i still think
6839s	if you're playing for fourth a lot of
6841s	the time the correct thing to do is to
6843s	try and spike sixes because anything
6845s	below that just doesn't get that right
6848s	if you're in a position where you say
6850s	like okay sixth is probably okay
6853s	that's when you can kind of fall back on
6854s	these old-fashioned tempo lines but
6856s	still taking a five there is a a big
6859s	deviation for me i do enjoy it's like
6861s	right so what how do i play if i want to
6863s	go max screed and go for the powerhouse
6865s	late gameplays yeah yeah you really want
6867s	to get to six and you know get into
6868s	those six costs okay how do i play if i
6870s	want to play like tempo and aggro and
6872s	beat people up yeah you really want to
6874s	get to six and get in those six drops
6876s	it's just that's the thing there's an
6878s	entire dynamic that we haven't even
6880s	really talked about because i think
6882s	we've been minus beasts all three
6884s	lobbies so far which is when i talk
6886s	about like the tempo scams and what you
6887s	can do with mantid queen or leroy or
6890s	whatever else sephin divine shield blah
6893s	blah blah
6894s	ghast coiler scam is another thing that
6896s	factors into that that you absolutely
6898s	can do to people that just hasn't really
6900s	been a factor because beasts have been
6902s	out so much but again that involves
6904s	going to six to find gas coilers um the
6907s	if you haven't played that much if this
6908s	thought hasn't dawned on you just yet
6910s	gas coiler got a colossal buff in this
6913s	patch because leroy jenkins is now added
6916s	to the pool as a deathrattle minion
6918s	which means particularly
6920s	if you are in lobbies where mechs are
6922s	out and demons are out for example you
6925s	then have a very limited pool of death
6927s	rattles and one of them is leroy which
6930s	means
6931s	coilers golden gas coilers reborn gas
6934s	coilers just spit out leroy jenkins with
6937s	an absolutely unfair level of
6940s	consistency could really scam your
6942s	opponent in a lot of positions but just
6943s	like i said just not a dynamic that
6945s	we've seen because beasts have been
6946s	banned so often and unfortunately for
6948s	beaufort he does get his triple into a
6950s	six but
6951s	they're not the best are they um no
6954s	does he look at the genie here just to
6957s	be able to
6958s	break
6960s	and and just just have something that
6961s	does something on the board like as
6963s	opposed to like little rag feels a bit
6965s	pointless the other one i would query is
6968s	zap whether that's just worthwhile
6970s	because of its uh uh what it can do just
6972s	peel away a couple of smaller minions
6974s	maybe save yourself some health if you
6976s	are going to lose the fight
6978s	i think i like the zap overall it's just
6980s	the biggest stat stick you know it's the
6982s	most well i mean it's arguably very
6985s	close in terms of overall tempo between
6987s	that and the genie right now
6988s	um but also he's mutinous right so just
6991s	having the biggest individual numbers on
6993s	his things is somewhat interesting
6996s	um but yeah i think overall any six drop
6998s	that doesn't say nagar on it there was
7000s	going to be a pretty big whiff for
7002s	okay
7005s	the worst minion together thrown out by
7007s	the genie
7009s	still though going to take a lot of
7012s	damage
7015s	and it's gonna be a scrap here to avoid
7016s	an eighth because that'll be the
7018s	disaster in the position that he's in
7019s	he's the gatekeeper right he's the
7021s	player in fourth place
7022s	so hitting an eighth here would be an
7025s	absolute disaster because it opens those
7027s	gates extra wide for anyone that wants
7030s	to waltz on through into that fourth
7032s	place
7035s	in the look at the mermaid
7041s	with the major
7043s	domo yeah and just with you and if you
7046s	can just force the stats onto it oh
7048s	that's a lot of stats he could have made
7050s	because is this turns worth of buying
7053s	things going to actually stabilize him i
7055s	mean he does have the elementals so he
7058s	can probably buff the cyclone i think
7060s	he's going to go for with the bear the
7062s	major domo but
7064s	oh i think that was a way to just
7066s	survive a couple of turns and maybe
7068s	survive a couple of players as well
7071s	he's got the absolute worst opponent
7074s	this turn as well he's at eight
7077s	janice on the other side on daryl
7079s	is going to be strong right daryl is
7082s	very strong at this point of the game
7083s	but he's going to do very little damage
7085s	because he's a derral and is probably
7087s	down on lower tiers yes still down on
7089s	tavern three right now is gianna say
7091s	yeah he will do a small amount of damage
7094s	to most people he fights right now the
7096s	one thing beaufort can't afford is to
7098s	take a small amount of damage this is
7100s	the worst opponent and i should have
7103s	hated his position as we look at the
7104s	board he does have a four drop and three
7106s	drop that are on relatively high stats
7109s	so have a chance of living and if they
7111s	live even though he is on tavern tier
7113s	three you know there's a chance that he
7116s	does just kill him here and it's going
7118s	to be brutal for both as you said it's
7119s	like the one thing he didn't want to
7121s	happen is just be exactly eighth this
7123s	turn at this game
7127s	sorry okay well there's a four star gone
7131s	he needs to get
7133s	everything
7134s	except the pirate off the board to
7136s	survive here which i just don't think is
7139s	possible from this position
7141s	even with the green thumb going off i
7143s	just don't think it's getting there oh i
7146s	was going to say or he could just get
7147s	the pirate off the boat but that wasn't
7149s	going to happen either oh wow that is
7152s	going to be beaufort
7153s	gone to a perfect eight damage and
7156s	that's a big problem because it looks
7158s	like kids survived on one health so it's
7160s	not even a shared half a point
7162s	for beaufort to scrape there
7167s	oh and now disaster scenario as well
7170s	because roger's in a position where he
7173s	might be able to win the lobby roger on
7175s	three points beaufort on 8.5
7180s	i will say though uh just checking
7182s	things out here south king on scabs did
7184s	get hold of a thistle as well so
7187s	i imagine we've not checked in on his
7188s	board i'm sure we will i a little bit
7190s	later on but
7192s	both players looking strong just because
7194s	of the nature of salking being scabs
7196s	there we go
7198s	not as strong though looks like he could
7201s	end up taking a little bit of damage
7202s	from the daryl here as well as said i
7204s	think this is an inspired pick from uh
7206s	jana say daryl over galakrond is
7209s	certainly a weird one but that's what
7210s	tournament meta gaming is all about uh
7213s	alucard here just trying to scrap does
7215s	have bofors ghost
7217s	so you will be able to try and make
7219s	something more aggressive happen here
7221s	but the big thing to keep an eye on is
7223s	just how strong roger is because roger
7226s	is one of the players that can just
7227s	straight up leapfrog beaufort from this
7229s	position kick him out of that fourth
7231s	place i think beaufort might start be
7233s	starting to look in trouble with that
7234s	eighth
7235s	i do love that we've been looking at
7237s	these players on you know huge naga huge
7241s	daryl mutinous stuff like that and then
7243s	it's like and then we go to alucard it's
7245s	like alucard got a few pirates
7248s	that's about it so but again he's
7250s	feeling at least fairly comfortable but
7252s	you are right roger golden um
7255s	the naga generation the self buffs
7258s	obviously not the strongest
7260s	overall end game board but that can be
7263s	solved very quickly indeed as he
7265s	dispatches kid on the brand without uh
7268s	much effort at all and that i believe
7270s	alone is going to be kid dying that turn
7272s	so that's going to be a seventh place
7274s	for kid um which then i believe will
7276s	probably put him in not a position now
7279s	to get top four
7280s	and we
7282s	zixo in progress has siren orgazoa set
7285s	up as well
7290s	there is a cat earthquake being caused
7292s	right now don't know don't worry no one
7294s	panic
7296s	it's okay zexo just let the cat catch i
7298s	thought it was just sick so powering up
7301s	that's what i thought i thought he was
7302s	like had like nervous energy and he was
7304s	like bouncing his legs up and down or
7305s	something and then just the cat tail
7307s	appeared i was like oh okay yeah that
7309s	makes perfect sense yeah oh okay the
7312s	first discover wasn't great but the
7313s	glow-scale pickup you you're never upset
7316s	to see a glow scale right an additional
7318s	divine shield
7319s	always useful in these comps
7322s	one too many minions in play right now
7325s	for me that do not proc spellcraft do
7327s	not proc siren at the end of the turn i
7329s	think zxo will probably want to look at
7331s	that in terms of maximizing stats over
7333s	time overall sjmr very similar position
7337s	you are starting to see now as we are
7338s	getting towards the end game state these
7340s	boards homogenize into the kind of thing
7342s	you have already become used to seeing
7345s	and it's just a matter of who can do it
7347s	the most efficiently who can do it the
7348s	best
7349s	before he played a minion then it did
7352s	make me laugh that i was genuinely worth
7354s	trying to work out if his hand was
7356s	actually stronger than his board
7358s	at that point if he just swapped them
7360s	would he have a stronger board because
7361s	it looked close honestly
7363s	it didn't look too far away at all gonna
7365s	get the second glow scale down get that
7367s	extra divine shield whether he leaves
7368s	close scale on the board is another
7371s	question
7378s	well this is like a desperation play
7380s	isn't it this is just please don't die
7382s	this turn
7388s	like he might die
7390s	unfortunately opponent
7392s	much much bigger
7396s	weird positioning obviously um
7399s	pirate first does make sense in that
7401s	position because it's kind of there for
7403s	that function to kind of boost things
7404s	early as now we see alucard going down
7406s	to rogers zephyrus as well but the fact
7409s	that you kind of put the eliza up front
7411s	as a bumper then into the leroy was then
7414s	making the leroy weaker as well right
7416s	because you're expecting your first two
7418s	attacks to go into a glow scale
7423s	when alucard died i was staring at the
7425s	scoreboard like okay sjmr like quickly
7428s	followed to zero it never happened he
7431s	must have drew he did get have divine
7433s	shield poison on the seven i imagine
7435s	that's what went on uh but still the
7437s	fact he survived is huge that is a
7439s	significant gain uh in in points
7442s	honestly because he doesn't have to
7444s	share them with alucard now
7446s	absolutely absurd
7449s	desperation play paid off that all you
7452s	ever need is just give me one more turn
7453s	let me survive one more turn but i do
7456s	think there is a large gap at least for
7458s	me between sjmr and the rest of the
7460s	lobby right now they're alive the gap is
7463s	ridiculous i think fifth is where it was
7465s	almost always going to end first gmail
7467s	yeah but i mean sjm are on 3.5 right
7470s	beaufort on 8.5 it's going to be a still
7473s	a long climb for sjmr to get into a
7476s	position where he's leapfrogging
7477s	beaufort let alone the fact that it
7480s	looks like uh roger who started this
7483s	point five points behind him is going to
7486s	win this lobby right so i do think
7488s	sjmr's position is
7490s	very underwhelming right now overall
7492s	despite what uh could have been a
7494s	potential scam there if that eliza ended
7497s	up like changing a break point in that
7498s	fight to where like he exactly survived
7501s	genius and take my hat
7505s	junk in off sea
7508s	definitely a scary world where i'm
7510s	staring at south king's board i'm like
7512s	oh there's only a second uh
7514s	oh wait no it's gold never mind i
7516s	thought they is that gold no it's not
7518s	sorry it's the divine shield confusing
7520s	me i was like oh well you know we could
7522s	do with the gold pistol by now
7524s	for turn 11 of the game three sirens
7526s	though that is a ton of passive scaling
7528s	at the end of the turn from the golden
7530s	siren and the regular siren gorgeous how
7532s	hard that pumped very even looking board
7536s	states i think these divine shield
7537s	trades are going to be the big deal and
7538s	those were huge from zik so value trades
7542s	as well on the orgazoa yup just enough
7545s	in the end again i would imagine that
7547s	was somewhere fairly close to a 50-50
7550s	fight those mid-game attacks with the
7552s	divine shields i think were the defining
7553s	factor there and it looked like xo got
7555s	just slightly the better of it
7558s	yeah also really crazy sort of end state
7561s	as sjmr does go out of course they're
7563s	kind of expectedly so uh but look at
7565s	this end state right roger started this
7568s	on three points going into this looking
7570s	very strong to win right now as sort of
7572s	just giggling away how strong this turn
7574s	is but then we had six so uh zixo on six
7578s	so yeah six oh um going in there he's
7581s	looking very strong indeed to be in
7583s	contention and then janice and sal king
7586s	who are very close together on nine and
7588s	ten points also still in the lobby so
7591s	there's a chance even that like alucard
7593s	can actually be pushed out here with his
7595s	like sixth place
7596s	imagine roger turning down the giga
7599s	cleave there like come on i've been
7600s	talking about it all day so far you had
7602s	the perfect opportunity to just dump
7604s	every spell craft you have onto a
7606s	magnetic minion chuck it on the faux
7608s	reaper use it to fill that last space on
7610s	your board i don't think it's optimal i
7612s	just think basically whatever roger does
7614s	from this position he's going to win the
7615s	lobby so it would have been nice to see
7617s	in that spot i love that we've been
7618s	talking about naga and you know how to
7620s	play how to optimize it and then jana
7623s	says just be like i'm just going to be
7624s	dancing this game
7629s	it's just loving it just dancing around
7631s	having a good time and guess what
7632s	they're having a minimum of uh top four
7635s	here in this lobby hello my baby hello
7638s	hello all right girl
7641s	he's just having a good time what's up
7643s	oh yeah how do i optimize my naga to get
7645s	the most spell graphs off and to do this
7647s	yeah optimize stats he's just like
7649s	[Laughter]
7653s	i'm
7655s	keep up the momentum
7659s	yeah 6-0 just like a minion behind
7662s	regarding the power level of his board
7664s	right and the wave rider just
7666s	not doing it his best job is to just
7668s	peel his shield you could use a leroy
7670s	for that right which normally does a
7672s	much better job than just a basic minion
7674s	so he's going to be taking a significant
7677s	amount of damage but i believe that does
7679s	not add up to 27
7681s	no 24
7684s	lives to fight another day but i'm not
7686s	sure how much that is worth to zik so he
7689s	should be able to pick off these other
7691s	fights
7692s	uh but it looks like janice is going to
7693s	hang around and again shout out to this
7695s	pick right like turning down a galakrond
7697s	if you need it explain to you why the
7699s	hero that can just shoot shops until six
7702s	drops appears is good in this meta uh
7704s	keep up but um
7707s	turning that down to go with dancing
7709s	daryl in this position i do think was an
7711s	in absolutely inspired pick in unison's
7713s	position just having a bit of fun just
7715s	tempoing out just waiting for other
7717s	people to die and he has done so
7719s	perfectly two hp to play with top four
7722s	secured and top four in this lobby
7724s	secured top four in this uh tournament
7728s	overall secured i believe as well going
7730s	through now into tomorrow also funnily
7732s	enough he's going against six so right
7734s	so the the most beatable of opponents
7737s	that are left i think so there's just
7740s	there's a small chance you could even
7741s	convert this into a third it's a small
7743s	chance i will say that but still it's
7745s	better than facing uh
7747s	the murderer zephyrus right now who is
7749s	just dispatching everyone
7751s	yeah but uh this the results of this
7754s	have already spelled disaster for
7756s	beaufort they're with that top eight
7757s	there's too many players i believe that
7758s	have overtaken beaufort already zixo for
7761s	example starting this lobby on six
7762s	points he's now made top four as well
7764s	which means he is eclipsed both as 8.5
7766s	as well roger of course is doing it and
7768s	he's looking like the most uh likely
7771s	lobby winner so there are a few spaces
7774s	left to scrap for um but uh kids and
7777s	offer i believe at the very least have
7779s	uh no chance of making it from this
7781s	position but all the remaining live
7783s	players still scrapping for position i
7785s	was to say i
7786s	think it looks like
7788s	alucard could be out as well right
7792s	potentially
7793s	uh alucard starting on 11.5
7798s	because xo's still in uh south king
7801s	janice is still in but then uh if roger
7803s	wins he'd go oh no cause if roger wins
7805s	he'll go up to only ten right yeah never
7808s	mind i'm sorry i can't pass out
7811s	that was the one
7812s	yeah yeah
7813s	yeah so avocados looking okay yeah
7815s	i'm excited i'm sorry
7820s	hey though it's just it's like going up
7822s	against a brick wall isn't it you're
7824s	just not gonna win
7829s	yeah close divine shield poison i think
7831s	doing the best things that you can when
7832s	you recognize you know you're in that
7834s	position where you have to adapt right i
7835s	think this is one of the tough things
7836s	for maximizing mmr game maximizing
7838s	tournament play as well
7840s	is
7841s	sometimes you hear early right you have
7843s	the official you have the orgazoa you're
7845s	like cool
7846s	i'm winning this lobby then you see
7848s	someone else you're like oh they're
7850s	winning this lobby
7852s	you have to re you have to re-adapt to
7854s	you know kind of what i was referring to
7856s	colloquially is the give up board right
7858s	where you just start buying leroys and
7860s	mounted queens and so on forget about
7862s	scaling your naga as much because you're
7864s	never going to match that level of
7866s	scaling from the zephyrus that you just
7868s	saw there in snapshot from roger so
7870s	finding creative solutions um with the
7874s	poison scam with the reborn gas coilers
7877s	with the giga cleaves whatever it is
7878s	that you end up going for to try and
7880s	find some creative solution you really
7882s	do have to find those creative solutions
7885s	because you can't
7886s	just magically catch up in stats to what
7889s	roger is doing on the other side
7894s	and we're just roger versus dixon now
7896s	and last time they fought roger just uh
7898s	dumpstered him i believe and did all the
7900s	damage to bring him down to three i
7902s	imagine the same thing's gonna happen
7904s	again because uh just looking at this
7906s	board from six so he does not have the
7909s	scan potential right he doesn't have the
7910s	leroys he doesn't have the mantids to
7912s	try and do something uh creative he
7915s	doesn't have a ghoul maybe for the
7917s	divine shields and stuff like that so it
7919s	looks like he's just gonna put on his
7921s	best attack to stack as many stats as
7923s	possible but i think this might be a
7925s	done deal in there zephyrus
7928s	i do think is a very very strong hero in
7930s	this meta because tripling to these
7931s	power plays is so huge and there are so
7934s	many of them of course there's always
7936s	better ones but there's so many triples
7938s	especially within naga that can make a
7941s	big impact into the yeah the outcome of
7943s	the game right even early on from say
7945s	like siren right if you triple an early
7946s	siren it's like huge i mean certainly if
7951s	zephyrus gets there it's one of the best
7954s	in the absolute late game state because
7956s	one of the problems that you can run
7958s	into in the late game
7960s	is board space issues right you want to
7963s	keep double orgasm because it's
7964s	providing you so much value with your
7966s	gold and siren right so you want to keep
7967s	them both hanging around but you can't
7969s	afford the two board spaces same thing
7971s	with double efficient obviously you're
7973s	never ever ever just going to dump out
7975s	an officer and get rid of it but the
7976s	fact that both they're eating our board
7978s	spaces means less sirens means less
7980s	spellcraft being generated at the end of
7982s	the game so just the ability to at will
7985s	combine those things into one is such a
7987s	big deal on zephyrus and you may notice
7989s	totally ignored the fight because it was
7990s	a foregone conclusion i told you roger
7992s	was going to win that lobby eight turns
7994s	ago it was it was a given at that point
7997s	golden orgasoa golden officer at that
8000s	point that is peak scaling when you
8003s	combine that with siren everything else
8004s	that is the package that you want to go
8006s	for and roger did exactly what he needed
8009s	to do but in the end those extra few
8012s	points from zixo finding his way into
8015s	second place meant that it was all in
8018s	vain and you can see jana say alucard
8022s	sal king and zixo
8024s	holding down those top four spots roger
8027s	went out with a bang he gave all his
8029s	fans a great showing with that zephyrus
8031s	game at the end but the way the other
8033s	placings broke down were just extra
8036s	cruel to him i i will say as well very
8040s	impressed with the nsa's play so far
8042s	obviously one first lobby did you know
8045s	not so well in the second lobby but just
8046s	the approach to the the overall like
8048s	meta game of the three lobby the
8051s	three-game sample size
8052s	is um
8054s	was really impressive and i think he's
8055s	just play play in general uh was pretty
8058s	standout across all these players at
8060s	least for me so
8061s	yeah i think certainly
8063s	he's had a very good grip on tournament
8066s	play right what it means in different
8068s	scenarios how your play needs to be
8070s	changed how your picks how your choices
8072s	how everything changes based on the
8074s	context of the tournament
8076s	and that's a whole other layer beyond
8079s	normal battlegrounds adaptation right
8081s	which is am i strong who's my opponent
8084s	what are they showing as all of these
8086s	things that are factors that can
8087s	contextually change how you react to a
8090s	given situation when you play in a
8092s	tournament there's a whole other layer
8093s	thrown on top of that and i think the
8095s	nsa has done a great job of adapting to
8097s	it yes he was put in a position early
8099s	which allowed him to do that but having
8101s	been put in that position he's executed
8103s	perfectly which is all you can ask from
8105s	a player at this point yeah and
8106s	unfortunate you know i know there are a
8108s	lot of beaufort fans out there but
8111s	you know we saw that turn there and he
8112s	just couldn't get to grips with the
8114s	mutinous couldn't survive eight damage
8116s	went into face and that was still
8118s	looking at that fight at the point we
8120s	cut away and just being like
8122s	so the 710 had to have attacked the
8124s	seven eight on the right hand side
8126s	exactly next i believe to take a value
8128s	trade because even with the divine
8129s	shield poison i think he was a minion
8131s	short unless he found one more value
8133s	trade in that position crazy i really
8136s	just know it happened yeah that's it
8139s	but yeah congratulations to roger i'm
8141s	winning that lobby uh but unfortunately
8143s	falling just short as six so swoops in
8145s	there with the second place which put
8147s	him in enough points to be able to go
8149s	through there so already so
8151s	we are done for the first lobby of the
8154s	day the first set of eight players uh
8156s	what have you made of it so far uh the
8158s	players we've got the the play we've
8160s	seen i'm guessing you you the the meta
8163s	we've seen develop over the course of
8164s	this very few three games is pretty much
8167s	what you expected to see going in at the
8168s	start of the show
8170s	yeah largely what was predicted i did of
8172s	course throw out that caveat that you
8174s	know we expected to see a particular
8176s	meta in hgi for example and it didn't
8179s	end up panning out i do think that just
8182s	the overwhelming strength like
8184s	naga as in like an optimal order
8186s	strategy is way above what tavern for
8189s	milkers was as an optimal order strategy
8192s	in that meta game right so
8194s	what then has to be worth as a payoff in
8196s	terms of like risk reward tables and
8197s	calculations to be able to punish that
8199s	on the other side is so much higher and
8201s	that doesn't exist right you you need
8203s	somehow
8204s	20 board spaces and six meccano tanks to
8207s	be able to actually tempo out against
8210s	what nagas can do on the other side so
8212s	this is kind of where we're at naga are
8214s	incredibly strong at the moment you have
8216s	to shoot for them but i do still think
8219s	some of these players that found their
8220s	way into top four they have understood
8223s	the assignment right which is really the
8224s	first box that you have to take you need
8226s	to do both things you need to understand
8229s	how to optimize
8231s	the the naga board the naga warband and
8233s	how to actually beat other opponents
8236s	doing the same thing as optimally as
8238s	possible you have to understand how to
8240s	turn seventh into sixth how to turn
8242s	sixth into fifth how to turn fifth into
8244s	fourth when you are not the player doing
8247s	that and that's where i think you know
8248s	doing that together to get top four to
8250s	go through to sunday and then when we
8252s	get to sunday to be the eventual winner
8254s	that's the skill set that we're gonna
8256s	need from these players especially when
8258s	we get into check format where both
8260s	things become crucial right finding a
8263s	seventh just picking up one point to get
8265s	over that 20 point threshold or whatever
8267s	it ends up being that's a crucial skill
8269s	that you might have to have and then of
8270s	course with the way check format works
8272s	picking up that lobby win at the end
8275s	that's a crucial part of the puzzle as
8276s	well so we will need to see players
8278s	demonstrate all those uh tools in their
8281s	arsenal as we get through to sunday but
8283s	i think already the players that we've
8284s	gone through in top four you look at
8286s	some of the scrappy games xo had early
8288s	on followed up by just finally hitting
8290s	the nagas and getting second right like
8292s	you do really have to find both sides of
8294s	the coin and congratulations to the
8296s	players that have yeah again just enough
8298s	points to push you over the edges
8299s	exactly what you need but that means our
8301s	first lobby is done we've got a new
8303s	lobby coming up with eight new players
8305s	here we are going to go to a bit of a
8306s	longer break where we get all the
8308s	players fully prepared and ready to go
8310s	so you've got some time to go grab a
8311s	fresh drink or you know do whatever you
8313s	need to do but we are going to step away
8315s	while we set that up so don't go
8316s	anywhere and we'll be back with more
8317s	lobby legends noble garden
8321s	[Music]
8328s	oh it's good to have you back can i get
8330s	you anything
8345s	it's a good time to hire some new
8348s	minions
8351s	what a great addition to your team
8355s	[Music]
8359s	you can't leroy wrong with that one
8361s	[Music]
8365s	a solid choice
8368s	[Music]
8376s	your new recruit is ready to go
8380s	[Music]
8385s	victory never tasted sweeter
8393s	[Music]
8436s	ah
8438s	[Music]
8461s	[Music]
8470s	[Music]
8474s	[Applause]
8476s	[Music]
8533s	[Music]
8552s	[Music]
8657s	ah
8660s	[Music]
8682s	[Music]
8691s	[Music]
8696s	[Applause]
8697s	[Music]
8755s	[Music]
8774s	[Music]
8783s	so
8789s	[Music]
8869s	so
8879s	ah
8881s	[Music]
8904s	oh
8913s	[Music]
8918s	[Applause]
8919s	[Music]
8932s	[Music]
8935s	welcome back everyone to the second half
8938s	of day one of lobby legends noble garden
8941s	we've got eight new players now gonna be
8943s	starting off fresh with three more games
8945s	to play out and i'm excited for this to
8948s	start already seoul because we had a
8950s	pretty crazy set of three games
8952s	beforehand uh with people just just
8954s	dipping into that top four at the last
8956s	possible moment and i wonder what we're
8958s	gonna see this time around there one
8960s	thing i guess is naga but other than
8962s	that i'm excited to see how close these
8964s	players can make it once again
8966s	and the other thing is spell no wrong
8969s	format no i mean kind of still in
8971s	battleground
8972s	naga spell margaret spell kind of still
8975s	works uh yeah i mean personally the
8977s	number one thing i'm looking for outside
8979s	of just taking a look at our new field
8981s	of players
8982s	uh we do have of course uh all dragon in
8985s	there who is a former rank one holder i
8988s	believe on multiple occasions babofat
8990s	who has really taken to lobby legends
8993s	like a fish to water i would say um
8996s	both in picking up those those ladder
8998s	finishes on the grind but then also just
9000s	you know being very successful in
9002s	getting through to these positions
9003s	overall
9004s	um and then you know a few other players
9006s	i'm excited to be looking at for the
9008s	first time myself i think max 7k was in
9011s	the previous lobby legends as well right
9012s	so uh we do have a few returning players
9014s	kind of what we're talking about at the
9015s	start of the day where i expect you know
9017s	this is only the second lobby legends so
9020s	far but i expect you know all these
9022s	names all these faces at least a good
9024s	chunk of them i think will become
9027s	regulars to the lobby legends circuit i
9029s	have no doubts at all about that but
9031s	yeah i'm excited to get going maybe we
9033s	see a few more beasts than we saw in the
9036s	last three games so we saw a a big lack
9039s	of them so far maybe see if there's any
9040s	of these at least either beast comps or
9042s	as you were talking about 6o's missed
9045s	potential of being offered shudder and
9047s	not having beasts in the in the game uh
9049s	which is obviously is not necessarily
9051s	about beasts but involves them very
9053s	heavily at least in the early game
9055s	yeah i think shadow walk as i was just
9057s	saying to you in the break i think
9058s	shadow walk with the right types in
9061s	is the best first place hero in the
9063s	entire game if you get pirates and naga
9066s	obviously because they're in
9067s	automatically and beasts thrown in there
9070s	their ability to find the tokens for the
9072s	triples the uh swabbies for the tavern
9074s	discounts and then obviously the the
9076s	coins from the naga as well
9078s	you can
9080s	almost i'd say reliably consistently
9082s	obviously these are dirty words because
9084s	it doesn't happen everywhere
9086s	yeah but you can consistently
9088s	get multiple six drops on turn six with
9091s	the right tavern set up and we just
9092s	haven't really seen that zigzag being
9094s	offered it twice with no beast is just
9096s	kind of troll overall but i do think
9098s	beasts are kind of the missing piece of
9100s	the puzzle in terms of how this is going
9102s	to work we have seen mech lobbies we
9105s	haven't seen in my opinion players take
9107s	enough advantage of what mechs can do in
9109s	this format with spellcraft with cleaves
9111s	or amalgadon just being able to get
9113s	absolutely massive and kind of get extra
9115s	free divine shields by abusing the
9117s	magnetic mechanic we haven't seen that
9119s	so i would still like to see that come
9120s	into play but i do still personally feel
9123s	like beasts are the missing piece of the
9124s	puzzle overall in terms of finding ways
9127s	to potentially fight back against this
9130s	however
9130s	here we are again raven beasts are
9133s	banned
9135s	and already seen multiple players with
9137s	sets of good heroes i think it was
9139s	baroff as jara uh for coyomi and then we
9143s	had reform and
9145s	uh vol'jin for all dragon there so
9148s	multiple players i i would say having
9150s	very high to uh being offered more than
9152s	one height to hero but for start off we
9155s	are going to check out what orov is
9157s	doing on the cat subtle now
9160s	uh how does this hero fare in the
9163s	current meta because it was very
9165s	different in the body meta than it has
9167s	been in you know previous uh uh i guess
9170s	i'm gonna say meta again of uh
9172s	battlegrounds
9174s	yeah i mean my argument will be same as
9176s	it always has some people will tell you
9178s	it's okay some people will tell you it's
9179s	the worst hero in the game the truth is
9181s	somewhere in the middle of that you're
9183s	right to point to the body meta because
9185s	in the body meta they had an extra tool
9187s	which gave them a little bit of tempo
9188s	every turn which was lovely right
9190s	because the problem with cat is that you
9192s	are trying to outlast people who have
9194s	hero powers with no hero power and that
9197s	just doesn't work because they're better
9200s	than you because they have a hero power
9202s	and you don't um so the amount of cat
9204s	dies first is just very very high
9206s	overall during the body meta you had a
9208s	tool that gave you a little bit of extra
9209s	tempo and allowed you to potentially
9211s	just have bigger boards than your
9212s	opponent on average with that taken away
9214s	personally i am not a big cat fan
9217s	overall so i am surprised to see that
9219s	picked up there was a
9220s	uh milhouse offered on the other side
9223s	which i don't think is necessarily
9225s	premium with the minion type makeup that
9227s	we have right now um but was certainly
9230s	something worth considering but i can
9231s	certainly understand that if you're just
9232s	looking to kick things off with a first
9234s	then maybe cat is just the thing to go
9236s	for to if you can outlast those first
9239s	two players maybe then you are good to
9241s	go because there is a tendency for
9244s	players to hit a triple into a six and
9247s	then die in this meta immediately right
9249s	and then die with that six drop on their
9251s	board that you can pick up the next turn
9253s	oh no
9255s	the mug of doom and also i do just want
9258s	to see as we see uh battlefield
9259s	obviously take a bit of damage there
9261s	from york and max 7k on yog a very nice
9266s	hero i've found in this meta so far
9268s	because yes you don't specifically get
9271s	to choose minions for the most part in
9273s	the early game but all your minions are
9275s	just big enough to let you level very
9277s	comfortably and if you do hit the good
9280s	minions hit the good naga it's even
9282s	better because you're actually just
9283s	beating out other players who also hit
9285s	the good stuff
9288s	joining uh on ashara
9293s	decent start in terms of tempo showing
9297s	eight on turn three is reasonable i
9300s	suppose however uh this is a dragon's
9303s	inn lobby so once again kyomi would have
9306s	been looking for that chroma wing start
9307s	but has not found it here so it's just
9309s	having to do plan b uh i do think it's
9312s	nice to avoid the trap though i think i
9313s	did try this obviously you're very
9315s	focused on finding those chroma wings
9317s	early um so i did also try just staying
9320s	on one and rolling for chroma wing um
9323s	but i think that does cause you to fall
9324s	too far behind i think staying on one
9326s	needs to have an incredibly good reason
9329s	for doing it in this meta game i don't
9331s	think that's enough so i do like that
9333s	he's avoiding that bait he looks at his
9335s	first shot probably looks at his second
9337s	shot as well before the level if there
9339s	was no chroma wing in either of those
9340s	two shops you just level up and get on
9342s	with your life
9343s	we are going to see daryl now which is
9344s	not appearing on the overlay so we
9346s	apologize about that but basically the
9348s	missing space is daryl and we're going
9351s	to see what dancing can be achieved
9353s	although it's like a really weird board
9355s	now with just uh yeah it's just a just a
9358s	wide board it's all buffed up a little
9360s	bit yeah seems good
9361s	yeah mechs band which cuts some of the
9364s	reason to stay on one for daryl even a
9367s	little bit there is still of course
9368s	trickster um but i would say trickster
9371s	just doesn't really offer as much as it
9373s	used to with the type of late game
9375s	boards that you're facing against
9376s	because people are either going to go
9379s	massive divine shields or they're going
9381s	to go with uh poison scam right and
9384s	trickster loses to both of those things
9386s	so i think what he's going to be looking
9388s	at more
9389s	is going up to find some divine shields
9392s	of his own to dance on to be able to
9393s	compete with this board state and as
9395s	larinder is now pointing out to us he
9396s	did in fact see a trickster in his very
9398s	first shop and uh chose not to keep it
9400s	which as i said just makes sense to me i
9402s	just don't think trickster
9404s	what used to be one of the very best
9406s	derral targets especially in no murloc
9408s	lobbies really makes that much sense
9410s	anymore because
9411s	leroy manted queen murlocs are in in
9415s	this lobby as well so you know the
9416s	ability for you to just get poison
9418s	scanned out of existence is just way too
9420s	high i think
9421s	also just naga's being probably bigger
9423s	anyway
9430s	apparently you know dragon with the
9432s	rough arm oh
9434s	no
9435s	about to be in awe at the size of this
9436s	dragon raven look at it it's gonna be so
9439s	big
9440s	really is and even though the health
9442s	won't be there just trading it's sort of
9445s	confirmed one for one and obviously
9446s	having the triple now for our dragon for
9448s	next turn and maybe doesn't even choose
9450s	it next turn it's to be a
9453s	interesting right if you have a question
9456s	go on
9457s	how many times have you sold a chroma
9460s	wing with a hundred or more attack to
9462s	replace with a vanilla spellcraft minion
9466s	uh
9468s	multiple times
9473s	simply correct look i know
9476s	you've been a great dragon okay look
9478s	we've been friends for a while but
9481s	this little guy offers me a good dragon
9484s	nobody you were the best yeah exactly
9489s	uh first has actually got a lot of
9493s	money banked here right
9495s	especially with the the triple you can
9497s	actually level up and start getting some
9499s	work done very very soon indeed it's
9501s	like a a weirdly alternate way to boost
9504s	levels quickly that we've not really
9506s	seen at the moment
9507s	with just having the uh the gold sort of
9509s	preemptively stacked
9511s	you ever seen the twitter account
9513s	there's no cat in this image
9515s	yes
9517s	i think sisyphus is aiming for a
9519s	submission is that a cat on the cat toy
9522s	in the back like middle tier of the
9523s	thing is that a cat i'm i'm it
9528s	oh see now i'm not even watching the
9530s	game on speedcasting
9532s	that is interesting it looks like
9534s	another layer going on nice i've seen
9538s	it's going for maximum comfort
9540s	and now
9541s	as we're going to uh
9543s	happy though's turn
9545s	is there a cat in this image look at the
9546s	back it's a bit messy i'm not is that
9548s	blue thing with a face a cat or is it
9550s	not
9552s	well beasts are out which does limit our
9554s	possibilities of seeing cats
9555s	significantly so as far as i'm aware no
9558s	there is not currently a cat in this
9560s	image this is a way more fun game than
9562s	battleground i'm
9565s	we're going back here this is
9566s	interesting i do want to see what he
9567s	does here yeah i imagine he's just going
9569s	to hold and level uh well sorry
9573s	how did he do this to him
9576s	all right
9577s	yeah and he's just gonna level again
9578s	next time yeah i like this a lot yeah
9580s	just hold he's fine like he's safe on 18
9583s	because it's not 15 or lower so just do
9586s	it right and then go for the six yeah he
9588s	also has multi another option of a pair
9590s	as well if it happens to pop up too in
9592s	the near future so there's a chance that
9594s	even though he's uh playing the dicey
9596s	game here of his health going down a
9598s	little bit uh it could pay off massively
9600s	because we've seen it as long as you're
9601s	not dead
9603s	and you get to the end game naga state
9605s	you probably then won't die going
9607s	forward so however i would like to see
9611s	sisyphus fight more so than all dragons
9613s	here because he's the one currently at
9615s	18 which means if he loses this fight he
9618s	could then be in the position where he
9620s	takes the extra damage
9622s	goes down to below 15 and then can kind
9625s	of get damage capped out of existence
9626s	which is best case scenario for cat
9628s	right that's that exact scenario i'm
9630s	talking about where if he takes damage
9633s	here which it looks like is possible
9636s	that is a bronze warden on the other
9637s	side of the board which represents a lot
9639s	of combat power so if he takes damage
9642s	here he's kind of locked himself into
9643s	tripling in a six so if he then loses
9646s	the next fight as well he then hands the
9648s	cat that tripled six drop that he's
9650s	worked so hard for and he is going to
9653s	take damage here yeah
9656s	huge i think there was a way he could
9657s	have gotten away with a draw there
9659s	but just didn't the trades didn't quite
9661s	line up and yeah drops him down to 11.
9664s	now all bets are off for sisyphus
9666s	match up rng here is massive gets the
9669s	yog
9670s	who taking a brief look at things
9674s	looks very beatable i'm talking just
9677s	from sisyphus's perspective he will be
9679s	looking at a tavern for yog who is
9682s	currently
9684s	possibly even reading mixed minions
9686s	which i think is a very reassuring thing
9688s	to see
9689s	in this position and boom there is the
9691s	atheista i think sisyphus is now well
9694s	now that he's hit the officer he will
9696s	almost certainly get away with this from
9697s	this spot because that is way too much
9700s	spellcraft that is the full four naga
9702s	that he can now be buffing up as well
9704s	he's in very very good shape all of a
9706s	sudden it looks like he is gonna milk
9708s	some extra value as well very rarely
9711s	seen i do think that is one of the uh
9714s	weaker naga in the game overall the
9716s	milker for the spellcraft but looks like
9718s	since uh that's what sisyphus has he's
9720s	going to lean into it a little bit this
9721s	time yeah old dragon is going to be
9723s	going up against uh babafat and
9725s	currently babafat's on like a mixture of
9728s	pirates and demons here just the two
9730s	pirate taunts in there a selection of
9733s	demons so far so the reform hero power
9736s	won't really pay off for him which is
9738s	why i imagine he won't bother pressing
9740s	it at this point because guess what his
9741s	opponent isn't naga
9744s	so this is interesting uh when you have
9746s	critter wrangler
9747s	which targets you choose to use your
9749s	spellcrafts on
9751s	say a lot about your game plan right
9753s	because you're going to want to use them
9755s	on the minions that you most likely want
9757s	to keep because it's actually getting a
9759s	permanent buff from the critter wrangler
9760s	at that point so the fact that the
9762s	answer to that question for all dragon
9764s	was the critter wrangler there was
9765s	actually quite interesting in terms of
9767s	which minion he sees as the biggest like
9769s	long-term investment in his boards
9771s	and i i'm 100 agree actually because he
9774s	has no other like scaling other than the
9777s	wrangler so even though it's not the uh
9780s	officer
9781s	it's then it's to me almost the next
9783s	best thing right because it still gives
9785s	permanent stats um so i i do like that
9788s	choice overall
9791s	this is a daryl that tripled into a six
9793s	things have happened here raven this is
9795s	new
9798s	doesn't want to dance
9799s	doesn't want to dance at all
9810s	you just may have seen in the bottom
9811s	corner there sisyphus taking the level
9813s	to six very common pattern right you
9816s	triple into your six
9818s	and if you hit you can then get strong
9820s	enough just to immediately go to six the
9821s	next turn
9823s	okay so these minions in hand or at
9825s	least a chunk of them are buffed
9828s	i'm gonna go explore here just to see
9829s	what he can pick up
9831s	rules out the dragon specifically
9835s	that's fine
9836s	and the outsider
9837s	is the end supposed to discover
9839s	something that isn't on board this is
9841s	very it's very weird the one that i
9844s	don't get is if you have an amalgam on
9846s	board you can still use reef explorer
9848s	even though you technically have all
9850s	minion types at that point so how can
9852s	you discover something from a minion
9854s	type you don't have that doesn't really
9856s	make sense to me i know it doesn't make
9858s	sense to you because it makes sense to
9860s	me
9861s	and that is a general outcome we've
9863s	gotten used to over the years if i'm
9864s	like yeah that's just makes perfect
9866s	sense there's a debate to be had between
9869s	like rules as written and rules as fun
9871s	though right and i think just turning a
9873s	card off because you have an amalgam on
9875s	your board just probably isn't fun for
9877s	anyone involved in terms of i don't know
9878s	why we're suddenly randomly talking
9880s	about game design but here we are this
9882s	is where the conversation went
9887s	[Applause]
9889s	and sisyphus again the player that
9892s	is in the most danger of just dying
9895s	by the nature of just being on 11 health
9897s	but i do think he got there uh pretty
9900s	much just in time right any turn later
9903s	it just oh it just wouldn't be as good
9905s	if he whiffed on his uh discover i think
9908s	he would be in massive problem as well
9909s	and there goes uh kayomi on that ashara
9913s	eighth place as we've mentioned before
9915s	right oh even there's bob to offer some
9917s	encouragement
9918s	at the end he's doing his best he's like
9920s	look you got smashed you you got zero
9922s	points but you can try again next game
9924s	it's only game number one of three for
9926s	this lobby and that means uh orofon cat
9930s	is going to find a discover uh orov has
9934s	just hard tempoed as far as i can see
9936s	from his board state with a golden lava
9939s	lurker which is currently just carrying
9941s	him through fights he has arm of the
9943s	empire thrown in there as well as you
9945s	can now see this is one of my
9948s	favorite tricks of the trade as raven
9950s	and lorinda will both be able to attest
9951s	to getting those arms and then using the
9954s	the taunt spellcraft to be able to pump
9957s	up a few minions
9958s	and uh oro has been rewarded here
9960s	because he's kind of been tempo king so
9962s	far winning fights sitting in first
9963s	place and has now been rewarded i think
9966s	when he saw queen ashara die
9969s	his eyes would have gone extra wide as
9972s	he thought he was about to hit the
9973s	absolute motherlode
9976s	unfortunately queen ashara's board was
9979s	lava lurker
9980s	uh two shoal commanders an amalgam a
9984s	matron and two of the three drop demons
9988s	that i can't remember the name of i was
9989s	doing so well there what's it called one
9990s	to give you three gold
9992s	indeed gold demon three drop three gold
9995s	demon
9997s	yeah at least he got off at least he got
9999s	the show commander right like that
10001s	you know it's something he does help out
10003s	his board overall and now
10006s	it's actually going to be facing the
10008s	ghost here so give himself a little bit
10011s	of time and being on two health well
10013s	guess what you want it's called time
10018s	very little health preserved on his
10020s	minions and that fight on the other side
10022s	though
10023s	let's see finally if one of these
10026s	legitimate naga players has kind of
10028s	caught up with where cat is for oroph
10030s	and they have you can see now that cat
10032s	will start to bleed
10034s	tempo can only last so long against naga
10037s	and now you take 20 for your trouble
10039s	unless cat makes something happen here
10041s	unless aurov makes something happen here
10043s	if he gets bad matchup rng on the next
10045s	fight he could just be eliminated
10048s	immediately and he is gonna fight
10050s	against another one of the naga players
10051s	that is daryl on the other side with
10054s	golden siren orgazoa and now i believe
10058s	an officer on the other side as well
10061s	picked up off that golden siren which
10063s	means uh
10064s	daryl is about to go from zero to
10066s	massive real real quick yeah and the
10069s	problem here we can see our of having
10070s	was that the arms
10073s	are good but they do fall off right you
10076s	can't just sit on them and say well this
10078s	will carry me uh they do fall off he
10080s	will need to transfer out here but we
10082s	are back over at daryl um
10084s	beyonce uh as he
10087s	makes an attempt to guess what survive
10090s	another turn but it's looking all right
10092s	actually right the golden siren yeah the
10094s	multiple divine shields that are
10096s	available there's a shull commander buff
10097s	to drop on the lava if he wants it
10101s	i think are off might just be a dead cat
10103s	here this is looking
10105s	very
10106s	very hard to beat on the other side
10108s	because that's to be four or five divine
10110s	shields on the board there's going to be
10112s	a ton of passive scaling from the golden
10114s	siren going off at the end of the turn
10116s	as well there is
10118s	some funkiness with siren activations
10122s	and uh glow scale specifically uh not
10125s	entirely sure what's going on there but
10127s	regardless it's going to be a million
10129s	extra stats dumped on the board at the
10131s	end of the turn and i think cap might
10133s	just struggle to compete with this and
10135s	this could be make or break i think if
10138s	orov survives this fight he might be in
10140s	a good spot with the type of player that
10142s	will start dying soon
10144s	but if he goes down here in seventh
10145s	having just picked up one shoal
10147s	commander for his trouble then that will
10149s	not be what he's been looking for
10152s	yeah i do think as well here
10154s	those traits
10156s	please
10157s	attack minion just hit the five health
10159s	torn and then the divine shield poison
10161s	murdered the lava lurker
10163s	get out of my game yeah i
10167s	it's really interesting turn as well
10169s	because obviously yonsei is trying to
10171s	survive he cannot lose a single fight uh
10174s	or at least for the longest time
10175s	possible he actually sold the show
10177s	commander to put in the mantid and it's
10179s	one of those plays where i think that
10181s	only happened because of his health i
10183s	think if he was higher he would have
10184s	kept the shoal commander started
10186s	stacking buffs helped out with uh
10188s	uh
10189s	this as well so like i think that just
10191s	goes to show that he is playing to
10192s	survive right now and already banked at
10195s	worst a sixth place
10197s	and potentially better because um max 7k
10200s	one health uh dappy doe uh four health
10204s	like even first who's managed to
10206s	stick around for a while on a relatively
10207s	low health as well like all four of
10210s	these players below first and second are
10212s	in massive danger of just like more or
10214s	less if they do lose a fight they are
10216s	gone so they'll definitely be scrapping
10218s	it for this one and it looks like uh
10221s	dapido is gonna be versus max 7k this
10224s	turn so unless it's exactly a draw one
10228s	of them is going to knock the other one
10229s	out and knock them into a likely sixth
10231s	or joint fifth sixth place
10234s	uh i like what dappy's doing here
10237s	is going for the poison scam as heavily
10239s	as possible
10240s	we'll look for as many divine shields as
10242s	possible to support this he does have
10243s	one divine shield spellcraft in hand
10245s	already the problem is is that with this
10248s	board state i really like having a big
10251s	cleave to support this he does have wind
10254s	fury spellcraft generating off the
10255s	golden which would be ideal as well if
10257s	you can pick it up unfortunately look at
10259s	the lobby no beast no mechs right so
10262s	finding the actual
10263s	minion that's gonna two for one or three
10265s	for one the opponent is a little bit
10267s	difficult in this spot which means you
10269s	might just be doomed to failure i like
10271s	the voidlord idea that's just deathrall
10274s	taunt we've talked about before how
10277s	big boards tend to have aggressive
10278s	divine shield minion going first so by
10280s	having void lord in play you give
10282s	yourself the chance to
10283s	maybe pop two divine shields off your
10285s	opponent but that is just not what the
10287s	yogg is showing on the other side just
10290s	love the ghoul as well here from uh max
10292s	7k right the girl actually knocking off
10294s	the divine shield that the mantid got
10296s	the mantid does get the double trade
10298s	anyway so that is a huge deal double
10301s	seven gonna pop off now
10303s	okay
10304s	oh no the vt the vt spells death going
10309s	into the non-poisoned minion and that
10311s	means that yog is going to be the one to
10313s	survive here dappy goes down
10316s	and it's going to be silas coming out of
10318s	the lobby yogg marches on another day
10320s	but it's
10322s	hard to see a real future
10325s	in that board uh on the other side and
10327s	there's certainly no real future in this
10329s	game at least for babofat so that all of
10332s	those players now eliminated from top
10334s	four we have our top four for this
10336s	particular game i have watched babo
10339s	stream a little bit in this meta he is
10342s	frustrated let's say at the uh you know
10345s	the way the game pans out right now some
10347s	people are you're really enjoying just
10349s	having the sort of linear win condition
10351s	that you have to play towards uh babo
10353s	has certainly been letting his
10354s	frustrations show a little bit on stream
10356s	and i do think you know sometimes can't
10358s	help but bleed through into its play
10360s	however i will say the player who i said
10362s	i thought had a great mentality to the
10364s	patch uh beaufort didn't really work out
10366s	too well for him either in the last
10368s	round didn't it what i will say though
10369s	is what a huge outcome for the likes of
10373s	max beyonce and first right or
10376s	dragon fought babble fat the two
10378s	strongest healthiest players and all
10380s	dragon killed babo which boosted all the
10383s	players that could die if anyone even
10385s	looks at them funny like boosted them up
10387s	a whole place for like for free which is
10390s	absolutely insane for this first game
10392s	here yeah in terms of the points and max
10395s	now continuing to go on this uh again
10398s	swap into this poison comp and trying to
10400s	just do everything he can to just gain
10403s	one extra place get that one extra point
10405s	because we've seen an impact or the
10407s	level of impact one or two extra points
10409s	over the course of three games can make
10411s	it's the difference between top four and
10413s	not potentially
10415s	better
10416s	yeah keeping the goal the ghoul is
10418s	mandatory here with the amount of divine
10420s	shield that naga throw at you on the
10421s	other side
10423s	leroy follow up you do again have that
10425s	problem where if you're going to remove
10428s	your opponent's divine shields leroy
10430s	isn't as good as it might otherwise be
10432s	one of the big strengths of leroy and
10434s	why it's sometimes better than a poison
10435s	minion is it just straight up kills
10437s	divine shield minions but you can see
10439s	with the kind of combat rhythm there
10441s	you're always going to get rid of those
10442s	divine shields first which means leroy
10444s	is just kind of another vanilla
10446s	poisonous minion at that point and one
10448s	for running with poison just is never
10450s	going to get the job done because at the
10452s	end of the day you have to have a ghoul
10454s	and an acolyte on your board so if
10456s	you're one for one in your opponent you
10457s	only get to do it five times as it just
10460s	doesn't end up working out in that spot
10462s	naga will always be the king in that
10465s	spot uh poison scam has to play from
10467s	behind daryl goes down in third as well
10469s	and as expected it is going to be all
10471s	dragon and sisyphus
10474s	uh kicking things off and it looks like
10476s	sisyphus is going to start a little bit
10478s	better than uh might have been expected
10480s	he is certainly not going to be cursed
10483s	with an uphill battle in this lobby it
10485s	seems yeah and i think for hanse and max
10488s	7
10489s	sharing third fourth that's a really
10491s	good outcome for this game i think
10492s	they'll be feeling very fortunate to
10494s	have gained those points especially when
10496s	babo was looking so good and even some
10498s	of the other players early on were
10500s	looking a lot stronger overall but now i
10502s	think while all dragons popping off
10504s	first is trying to catch up and
10507s	whether he can catch up is a big
10508s	question because he does have obviously
10511s	some pretty heavy scale in naga but it
10513s	looks like the majority of them or at
10516s	least half of them haven't been scaling
10517s	for that long there's nothing really
10520s	huge there's not multiple divine shields
10522s	uh but you know who knows at this point
10524s	you might be swapping over to mantid and
10527s	leroy to fill these spots to just say
10528s	yeah i don't have a lot of scaling naga
10531s	but i do have some insta kill minions
10536s	certainly a ton of divine shields as
10538s	well is going to throw a divine shield
10541s	onto the mounted queen there is of
10543s	course the argument that you can have
10545s	that you can invest that divine shield
10546s	somewhere else and just you know roll
10548s	the divine shield on mounted queen
10550s	anyway especially if you're having
10551s	access to the wind fury already but
10554s	certainly the the safe line here does
10555s	make a lot of sense for the amount of
10557s	value he has an additional divine shield
10558s	here would only be going on a 24 attack
10562s	minion anyway
10563s	more than that after the passive scaling
10565s	that we're about to see
10567s	after the passive scaling that we're
10569s	about to see
10570s	um
10571s	but still you know not as impactful as
10573s	some of these other huge minions
10575s	all the cheeky leroy interaction with
10577s	the ghoul it is pain upon pain and that
10580s	interaction here
10581s	and it looks like oh dragon
10584s	is just gonna overtake and very quickly
10587s	end this game i do think the old dragon
10590s	uh babble fat fight uh really shaped the
10593s	ending of this game right no one else
10595s	would have any potential of keeping up
10597s	with all dragon all dragon then killed
10599s	the other person who could have at least
10601s	survived longer if he got matched
10603s	against different players because i do
10605s	think baba fat was strong but just not
10607s	in comparison to exactly all dragon
10609s	there so really good win for him there
10612s	and honestly
10613s	for most players apart from babo fat any
10616s	of that top four finish i think a very
10618s	fortunate outcome uh as i said for max
10621s	and m and say that i think that was a
10623s	really good outcome to just grab 4.5
10626s	points when they were sat on i think
10628s	like two and four health or something
10630s	from multiple turns of this game
10633s	yeah i think as the players in this
10635s	lobby
10636s	saw who was dying they would have been
10639s	very thankful right there are certain
10641s	heroes that die at certain points where
10643s	the entire lobby throws up a collective
10645s	cheer right like
10646s	if a test dies early everyone celebrates
10650s	if an ashara dies early everyone
10652s	celebrates if a cat dies early everyone
10655s	celebrates these are heroes that you
10657s	want to see go down because they solve
10659s	problems for you in the late game and
10662s	particularly when you're one of the
10663s	players not having a great game you know
10665s	we talk about baba fat yeah he was
10667s	numerically strong at the point he died
10670s	but he was demons with felbat and an
10673s	imbalance right like that that has no
10675s	future it's not going anywhere it's
10677s	going to get killed by naga at some
10679s	point during the game it just so
10680s	happened it was a little bit earlier
10682s	than he would have hoped but when you're
10683s	in that kind of position that kind of
10685s	player watching the ashara the cat
10688s	whatever it is just dying early that
10691s	makes you so happy because you're
10693s	scamming extra places that you weren't
10695s	supposed to if that ashara had lasted
10698s	one more turn if the cat had outlasted
10700s	one or two more players suddenly they're
10702s	monsters in the late game as well um so
10704s	yeah just good matchup rng for the
10707s	players who survived the couple of extra
10709s	spaces in that position but at the same
10711s	time good decision making from those
10713s	players as we see here just kind of guy
10715s	going for those poison scam high tempo
10717s	balls
10719s	you are seeing to grind them out those
10721s	extra spots and and i think for me at
10723s	least you know learning uh when i was
10725s	learning battlegrounds the that was the
10728s	thing i struggled with the most was
10730s	knowing exactly when to try and
10733s	transition and what to transition to to
10736s	give yourself the best chance i think
10738s	that is actually just by far the hardest
10740s	part of learning the game especially at
10742s	a high level because one just being able
10744s	to pull off a transition in itself
10746s	successfully i think can be quite hard
10748s	unless the game is very kind to you but
10750s	just the timing and exactly what to go
10752s	for at what point and i do think and max
10755s	and uh
10757s	was it yeah dapido
10759s	actually did it very very well this game
10761s	even though you know it didn't get them
10763s	first second whatever it got them a
10765s	solid finish considering how their game
10767s	started yeah for sure and so the stall
10770s	is now set out uh all dragon and
10772s	sisyphus are in the position of command
10775s	uh they're in the spot now where maybe
10777s	they're the players they're going to be
10778s	looking at picking daryl and staying on
10780s	tavern three all game and trying to get
10782s	uh top fours as we saw from the players
10784s	in lab in lobby a uh we will see how
10786s	things pan out certainly there is uh
10789s	still a grind to go for the the players
10791s	who finished in the lower positions and
10793s	to kind of make their way through but
10795s	the one thing i really want to see now
10798s	raven is a freaking beast lobby finally
10801s	like come on can we just have one it's
10803s	the added dynamic that i think we need
10805s	at this point to just shake these last
10806s	couple of lobbies up a little bit um
10809s	i've talked about gas coiler and the
10810s	impact that that can have there's early
10813s	uh mama tempo of course that can just
10815s	murder a few players before they get
10817s	started
10818s	some people will argue
10820s	that leapers is the answer to this meta
10823s	as well and that they are the meta
10824s	breaker i personally don't believe in
10827s	that i think the amount of stuff that
10828s	you have to hit to actually get the good
10830s	leapers board has to happen way too
10832s	quickly in comparison to what the naga
10835s	player has to hit to just immediately be
10837s	stronger than you in response right
10839s	certainly i have heard the argument and
10840s	not just from you raven
10843s	in certain positions
10845s	uh going leapers does make sense if
10847s	you're getting us off uh reno into
10850s	golden baron for example that kind of
10852s	thing
10852s	and then leapers might just be a
10854s	solution to the problem if you don't
10856s	immediately hit that naga stuff so i am
10858s	really rooting for the beast lobby in
10860s	our fifth lobby of the day second lobby
10863s	of uh groupie
10864s	well you heard it official request
10867s	submitted for a beast lobby we'll see if
10869s	it's uh
10870s	approved or not we are going to go to a
10872s	break while we get ready for game number
10873s	two remember though there's only two
10875s	more games now left of today of day one
10878s	of lobby legends noble garden so make
10880s	sure to stay tuned because it'll be over
10882s	before you know it we'll be right back
10884s	don't go anywhere
10887s	[Music]
10894s	[Music]
10928s	so
10937s	ah
10939s	[Music]
10953s	so
10956s	[Music]
10962s	[Music]
10971s	[Music]
10975s	[Applause]
10977s	[Music]
11034s	[Music]
11053s	[Music]
11081s	we are back and ready to go into game
11083s	two of the second lobby of the day uh a
11086s	lot on the line for these players is
11087s	already uh the the spaces are starting
11089s	to be made the gaps in the leaderboard
11092s	are already there but we have seen
11094s	players recover already and what was it
11096s	was six so seventh i think in the first
11099s	lobby uh in the first game sorry and
11101s	ended up uh making to that top four so
11104s	really strong performance from him in
11105s	the first set of games from the day but
11107s	now we're moving on to the second
11109s	and it was only because of xo in seventh
11112s	having a better performance that roger
11114s	in eighth wasn't the player that was
11116s	making the comeback right so it really
11118s	does show
11119s	uh that
11120s	with such a small sample size a big
11123s	swing can still happen late as long as
11125s	you don't literally go eighth eighth in
11127s	the first two lobbies you might have a
11129s	chance of bringing it back with uh with
11131s	a big seven point win in the final lobby
11133s	depending on how the other points break
11134s	down certainly unlikely but it can
11136s	happen and we got very close to seeing
11138s	it happen with roger in that uh initial
11141s	grouping but we are now moving into game
11143s	number two do you think things have
11146s	broken down a very interesting way happy
11147s	to see all dragon doing well in the
11149s	opening uh sisyphus picking up six
11151s	points as well and then of course uh max
11153s	and wednesday holding on to the split
11155s	for 4.5 those are kind of the players in
11158s	possession as it stands right now
11160s	they'll be the players you would imagine
11163s	looking at the more low-key heroes right
11165s	the ones that can stay quiet chug along
11168s	find those fourth place finishes but
11170s	here's the issue and here's the drum
11172s	that i keep banging throughout the
11173s	tournament what are those heroes because
11176s	to me
11177s	the met is divided into two things
11180s	you're either going to six and you're
11181s	hitting and then you can get top four
11184s	or you're not because four players are
11187s	in the lobby like you see what i mean
11189s	like you have to fight either win
11191s	or you lose
11192s	i mean it's in europe doesn't sound like
11194s	a ravenism but it is also very accurate
11197s	um but
11199s	the point is if you are going to be like
11200s	tempo demons or tempo beasts or whatever
11204s	most of the time you are also going to
11205s	have to hit combat rng so that you don't
11208s	or match up rng so that you don't fight
11211s	those power spike players on the power
11212s	spike turns so that you can just outlast
11215s	long enough as we saw previously
11218s	for whoever is absolutely in charge of
11220s	the lobby to kill the ashara to kill the
11223s	cat right before they get rolling
11225s	meanwhile you're dodging those players
11227s	and just playing your beasts or your
11228s	demons or whatever you're doing if you
11231s	actually try and go head-to-head with
11232s	the naga with one of those strategies it
11234s	just doesn't really work which to me
11237s	makes the hero choice at the start of
11238s	the game like
11239s	actually even more interesting than it
11241s	would be otherwise because i think you
11244s	can boil it down to a formula to an
11247s	extent right when you say okay i won the
11250s	first lobby cool top four heroes now and
11253s	like this data's out there you can
11255s	literally look at charts that tell you
11257s	how often a hero finishes top four right
11260s	and what the percentage breakdown of
11261s	finishes is so that makes things a
11263s	little bit more formulaic over time if
11265s	you want to get into that
11266s	when the meta is as polarized as it is
11268s	right now i think that question gets
11270s	harder to answer of like do i just
11273s	continue to play the high roll heroes
11275s	every lobby and just say that on average
11277s	a high roll hero is going to get top
11279s	four because they're a high roll hero
11281s	right like it's a very weird dynamic to
11282s	get into
11284s	i think for me because i like to
11285s	simplify things for my own sake more
11288s	than anything
11289s	unless i won the lobby
11292s	i think every lobby after that i would
11294s	just play to first place i just played
11296s	to win it because you look at these as
11298s	two players on 4.5 points two plays on
11300s	2.5 points right and even arguably
11303s	sisyphus on six i think even at that
11305s	point especially because it's lobby two
11307s	i think in lobby three you can make a
11310s	more informed choice you have a much
11311s	clearer picture of what the leaderboard
11313s	looks like right but i think for me
11315s	unless you're exactly all dragon in this
11318s	scenario
11319s	i would just
11321s	and your heroes are nice to you pick the
11322s	hero that you can maybe get first place
11324s	with because i think that solves a lot
11326s	of issues going into the third and final
11329s	game of this set and i think that's the
11332s	key make those tricky decisions when you
11334s	see exactly what the leaderboard looks
11336s	like when you've got a one-game amount
11338s	of points to sort of pill for you know
11341s	pass out so i do think that for all
11343s	these players now except maybe all
11346s	dragon uh it is just make the best play
11349s	to try and get first go for naga do the
11352s	plays you would play on ladder to just
11353s	try and get those first places initially
11356s	yes if you have to bail out and go
11357s	poison all of these players are more
11359s	than capable of making that decision and
11361s	doing so but i think overall play for
11363s	first until you absolutely know you
11366s	can't
11367s	yeah and i'm glad you hit upon that
11369s	point as well because i think that's the
11371s	other factor that you throw in here when
11373s	you pick a galacroid or a shadow walk or
11376s	a jaundice you know something that's
11378s	able to just mechanically get a ton of
11379s	six drop triples if things line up very
11382s	well
11383s	if the game's not doing well it's not
11385s	like a good player's response to that is
11387s	oh well i guess i just stopped trying
11388s	then and
11389s	get right like you have a plan b
11393s	you can bail out you can take fives you
11395s	can play the tempo more like there's
11396s	different options that you can take if
11398s	you recognize that the game is going
11399s	badly and then it would be a top eight
11402s	if you end up continuing to try and go
11403s	for the high roll strategy so there's
11405s	still kind of that extra layer of
11407s	security that you can throw into those
11408s	hyrule heroes as well that you know i
11410s	still think they're incredibly valuable
11412s	that's not to say that um what was done
11415s	with with daryl in the previous lobby in
11417s	lobby a
11418s	uh didn't make sense because that was
11420s	such a secure position right overall it
11423s	was done in game three right exactly it
11424s	was done in game three which is an
11426s	entirely different beast uh or entirely
11428s	different mech i suppose with the pup
11430s	bots since we aren't seeing beasts
11434s	or other minion types as well uh we can
11437s	keep going um but
11442s	demon
11444s	uh hold on i'll go i can solve this
11445s	amalgam there you go i've named them all
11447s	uh they all are they all at different
11450s	times
11451s	is that why the the mechanical amalgam
11454s	amalgam amalgam amalgam amalgam of
11455s	malcom there you go
11457s	yeah
11458s	um
11459s	but i do think that it was
11462s	wise but i i think what we've kind of
11464s	come to agreement on here is that game
11466s	two
11467s	you still just kind of pick the best
11468s	hero right overall and i think that does
11471s	make sense if you're wondering what the
11472s	delay is here i believe the uh china
11475s	representatives had some connection
11477s	concerns or whatever so they have
11478s	requested a test game just to make sure
11480s	everything is stable of course we have a
11482s	small sample size of games here so we do
11483s	want to ensure that our players all have
11485s	the best and most stable connections uh
11488s	sometimes that is more difficult for
11489s	china players than it is for others so
11491s	hopefully we will be able to bring you
11493s	some gameplay soon but as of right now
11495s	we're just trying to work on some
11496s	connection issues and also let's just be
11498s	honest just like in standard
11501s	if we can reduce the chance of having to
11503s	maybe do a re-game halfway through a
11505s	game like nobody wants a a re-game at
11508s	any point right so we want to make sure
11510s	all the players are comfortable their
11511s	connections seem to be fine and
11513s	everyone's happy before we start that is
11515s	the most important thing for these
11518s	players because you know
11520s	imagine you're doing well it's like oh
11521s	we have to regain it's like that was the
11523s	lobby i was going to win oh no i just
11526s	got my officer um but overall uh from
11530s	from what we've seen so far
11532s	um
11534s	what do the
11535s	we talk about what you pick when you're
11536s	ahead or when you're comfortable
11539s	is that same thought pattern even more
11541s	cemented for the players who say at
11544s	seventh eighth arguably sixth or you
11546s	know in that bottom tier is it even more
11548s	so now that they have to pick i'll grab
11550s	any hero that can either has a history
11554s	of being a first place potential or do
11557s	if they're forced into it are they
11559s	picking worse heroes but then making
11562s	sort of aggressive plays not in terms of
11564s	tempo but aggressive in terms of do i
11566s	just take damage and spam level and just
11568s	try and just hit the hit the goods late
11570s	game and win is that the correct
11572s	approach or is there anything else these
11574s	players that have started off quite
11575s	badly can do
11576s	no i think they are the ones kind of
11578s	more
11580s	uh we're talking and talking about it
11581s	the other way around i think the players
11583s	who are in control who got the first
11585s	early result i think what it gives them
11587s	more than anything is options and i
11589s	think the players who were struggling
11591s	and who had a bad initial game in lobby
11594s	b
11595s	what they've had is options taking away
11597s	from them because now they have to play
11599s	for first and second because
11600s	particularly if you just got an eighth
11602s	immediately you're going to be in
11603s	trouble even if you find a fourth and a
11605s	fifth right so the
11607s	option of going daryl dance on pup bots
11610s	has just absolutely taken away from you
11613s	which means that you have to go for the
11615s	big push but what i will say is that
11617s	what making big pushes for first and
11620s	second looks like
11621s	really isn't that far removed from what
11623s	just playing this meta normally looks
11626s	like anyway right it is the kind of
11627s	thing that you're always trying to do
11629s	there's very little debate in these
11632s	circles which there normally is are you
11634s	supposed to triple into five or four or
11636s	six like what's the best time to triple
11638s	into whatever on what hero
11641s	on what hero in which context with how
11643s	much health do you have what does your
11645s	board look like what's your gold
11647s	interval for the next term what is your
11648s	tavern cost this term what does it cost
11650s	next turn what does your curve look like
11652s	these are all normally questions that
11654s	you have to answer which is when a newer
11656s	player says oh i'm just tripling into
11658s	five or six better this meta the only
11660s	answer is it depends normally now it's
11663s	six that's just the obvious i love it
11666s	yeah if i'm ever wondering what i should
11668s	do i see if my tavern level is six or if
11671s	i can triple into six if no neither of
11673s	those things are true i try and do those
11675s	things because generally
11678s	it'll it'll serve you well i do believe
11680s	that the players are just in the test
11682s	game right now so in the meantime while
11684s	we just wait to make sure everything's
11685s	okay just want to mention that there's a
11687s	lot of people co-streaming it from
11689s	players to uh you know other casters
11691s	there's other language streams as well
11693s	so just to shout out to them if you want
11695s	to follow you know what what they're
11696s	looking at make sure to check out their
11698s	streams i believe the majority of those
11700s	are on the twitch side so uh you know go
11702s	and say hello at least hang out for a
11703s	bit over there as well if you want to
11705s	see some different perspectives on what
11707s	is going on and if you want the list of
11709s	those just go to playhearthstone.com
11711s	esports and there should be a post
11713s	around there somewhere uh with the the
11715s	lobby legends noble garden promotion and
11717s	there should be a list of streamers uh
11719s	el
11719s	or approve code streams on there for you
11722s	yeah and i do think they'll see that
11723s	that's one of the best initiatives that
11725s	this whole program has gone with
11727s	obviously just seeing battlegrounds as
11728s	part of the official hs esports
11730s	competitive ecosystem is great but then
11733s	if we kind of dig into the minutia of
11734s	what's happened the idea of just
11735s	co-streaming and rebroadcasting and all
11737s	of these language streamers and just
11739s	even you know other english-speaking
11741s	broadcasters which you know we should be
11743s	resentful of because they're competing
11745s	with us for viewership and they're way
11746s	cooler than we are um but honestly it's
11749s	just
11750s	it's just a fantastic um initiative
11753s	overall because it just creates this
11754s	great community atmosphere where like
11756s	the whole community is doing the same
11758s	thing right we're all talking about and
11760s	enjoying and engaging with the same
11762s	thing and i think that's a really cool
11763s	feeling and honestly like as someone who
11765s	clearly is biased as a caster for to say
11768s	this stream um on the previous lobby
11771s	legends i flick through a load because i
11773s	mean oh what does this person think of
11775s	this you know what are these person's
11776s	views on on this kind of thing it was it
11778s	was super interesting and i think having
11780s	the options there are absolutely
11782s	fantastic i i as a viewer
11784s	loved it in the last lobby legends see i
11786s	don't mind that because that's just a
11788s	slight on gia and slicer because no
11790s	matter where you go you were seeing that
11792s	you were seeing my work you couldn't get
11794s	away from that i'm still controlling
11796s	what everyone was watching in that
11798s	tournament so the only thing you were
11799s	escaping was the casters note to self
11803s	apply for co-stream for the next lobby
11805s	legends and only do a radio cast
11809s	and then seoul can't brag like this so
11811s	uh good plan overall uh we're just gonna
11814s	have a look okay yeah we're just gonna
11815s	make sure uh the connection issues are
11817s	sorted so we do apologize for the delay
11819s	of course but i do feel like we are
11821s	zipping through today anyway we're gonna
11823s	go to a very quick break uh just we want
11825s	to make 100 sure that all the players
11827s	are comfortable so don't go anywhere
11828s	we'll be right back to continue game
11830s	number two
11832s	[Music]
11862s	me
11869s	[Music]
11877s	hmm
11879s	[Music]
11923s	[Music]
11931s	[Music]
11940s	[Applause]
11943s	[Music]
11943s	[Applause]
11955s	[Music]
11962s	we are back and thanks for bearing with
11964s	us as we just make sure all the players
11965s	are good to go with their connections
11967s	and they're ready and comfortable to get
11969s	into the lobby and i believe they are i
11971s	think this uh issues have been sorted
11973s	and we should be jumping into it game
11975s	number two very very soon so just a very
11978s	quick recap indeed that all dragon is
11982s	gonna be sitting at the top currently on
11983s	seven points as the winner of the
11985s	previous game and the honestly a lot of
11988s	eyes need to be drawn to aurov kayomi
11990s	and to an extent uh
11992s	babelfat and uh dappy uh dapido and uh
11996s	at 2.5 points as well so the bottom four
11999s	really do need to make waves in this
12001s	game number two uh whereas the others
12003s	can get by with an okay game of course
12006s	we will be looking at anyone who's you
12007s	know ends up in that seventh and eighth
12009s	spot of course but really it's those
12011s	bottom two players for me that really
12012s	have to make a big impact now how to
12014s	have any terms of uh feeling comfortable
12016s	going into game number three
12018s	yeah and you know as we were just
12020s	talking about before we uh went to the
12022s	break it is the options have been taken
12025s	away right there are limited options to
12028s	begin with but they are now certainly
12030s	the ones that are going to be have to
12032s	take you have to be taking the bigger
12034s	risks in proceedings and chasing the win
12036s	like that can just end up with you
12038s	getting punished in a lot of positions
12040s	it does look like hero selection is now
12044s	i'm staring at the way
12046s	uh or off with the barov
12050s	looks like it might be a pretty solid
12052s	pick here but refarm is thrown into the
12055s	mix as well making that slightly tougher
12056s	decision than it might otherwise seem
12059s	no base again stop offering people
12062s	shadow walk with no beast it's just
12065s	cruel i demand to speak to the manager
12067s	this is unacceptable
12072s	yeah this is uh pretty rough yeah we do
12075s	see it again another shower we see rafam
12077s	picked up
12078s	again for me reforms a choice i would
12081s	have made because i think i'm just bad
12083s	at barrov or i have bad experiences
12085s	therefore i
12086s	never pick it anymore even though i know
12088s	it is good uh but yes aurov has gone for
12090s	the refined play and we do see tess from
12094s	say as well so and that's gonna that's
12096s	another of those thief heroes right we
12098s	talked about earlier along with scabs so
12100s	be very important to keep an eye on him
12102s	as long as he doesn't just get pressured
12104s	out super early uh tess is an absolute
12108s	nightmare in those like a naga sort of
12110s	heads uh head-to-head kind of plays
12112s	right because you can always do more
12115s	than them on the turn after by cycling
12117s	their own naga
12119s	yes uh which means we do now have to
12121s	talk about the dynamic which once again
12124s	like this meta is so polarized so spiked
12126s	in one direction that weird things which
12129s	never used to be true are now true um
12133s	and again you'll kind of see this
12134s	question come up from more casual
12136s	players players who are just learning
12137s	the game like is it correct to make
12140s	myself weaker to grief refarm is it
12143s	better to make myself weaker to grief
12146s	tests
12146s	the answer to that
12148s	in 99 of situations is no they are one
12152s	of your seven opponents and just you
12154s	looking out for your own game plan is
12156s	probably the best thing to do
12158s	however
12159s	the situation with tess is so polarized
12161s	that
12162s	if you can say triple into a six drop
12164s	and then you say you triple into a six
12166s	drop and you're at 31 so you can take 15
12169s	twice without dying
12171s	then it might be correct not to play
12174s	that sixth on board against tess
12175s	going into that combat because it's so
12178s	warped and so polarized what tess can do
12180s	if it starts getting hold of ethissa
12183s	because at that point once they have the
12185s	six drops they can hero power and
12188s	basically take anything they want from
12190s	anyone else's board right they can take
12191s	sirens they can take shoals they can
12194s	take archers they can take basically
12196s	anything they want whatever random
12197s	piecemeal bits that the opponent has at
12200s	any given point they can just gobble it
12201s	up because they already have the payoff
12203s	card with the ethissa so dynamic that we
12205s	might be seeing later on into
12207s	proceedings
12210s	yeah this honestly just speaking about
12212s	heroes
12214s	is one of the stronger overall lobbies i
12216s	think we've seen right i'm staring at
12218s	every hero choice i'm like wow yeah
12220s	they're all no one feels like they've
12222s	whiffed right because even uh master
12224s	nougat i think has been holding up a
12226s	pretty solid rate uh with the rotating
12228s	hero powers as we can see here right uh
12230s	baba thought probably got bad memories
12232s	about using the yashiraj hero power
12235s	from the previous game so he might go
12237s	for here
12238s	so i can uh press that and get a mug
12242s	yeah that doesn't seem very good
12244s	press that and feel like a mug more like
12246s	it the way it's been going does fitty's
12248s	turn very well though right five gold
12250s	two gold hero power gain a minion
12253s	he's gonna freeze for the uh double
12255s	shell in the shop as well
12258s	and that's gonna be 100 win for sure
12261s	well even more so now
12263s	it was a 100 tie i believe before if the
12266s	uh the extra two drop appeared so nice
12269s	clean win for babofat here
12273s	chuckling that early damage to queen
12274s	ashara which we've already talked about
12276s	is crucial you do want to punish those
12278s	uh win the game heroes as hard as you
12280s	can early people will be out to get the
12283s	test the queen ashara again i do believe
12286s	that um the tournament is uh played with
12290s	you know visible uh with who is playing
12292s	what's visible because you know it's
12294s	just kind of considered part of the
12295s	metagame at this point
12297s	and so you will be able to factor that
12299s	into your equation as well
12304s	yeah that is
12307s	a very good start as may of right uh
12310s	using the hero power on the pigs not
12312s	only is he uh gaining spells
12314s	uh with the blood gems but also just
12316s	having a triple right it's kind of
12319s	ticking every single box you could
12320s	possibly want this early in the game
12322s	obviously a little bit delayed in
12324s	leveling itself but i imagine we can see
12326s	a uh a level turn next turn with another
12328s	hero power
12330s	yeah this is very standard for mayev
12332s	playing what has become known as refarm
12334s	curve because rafaam was really the the
12336s	first hero that came along that wanted
12339s	to be pressing a one mana hero power and
12341s	that kind of became more and more common
12343s	when maiev was introduced eudora was
12345s	introduced all of these heroes that
12346s	wanted to weave in a one-mana hero power
12348s	every turn
12349s	my air playing on the farm curve does
12351s	allow them to then be very greedy uh
12354s	continue to go up the levels and turn
12356s	any of those one drop triples that they
12357s	find into six drops which is the name of
12360s	the game and with one of those triples
12361s	already banked the curve is going to
12363s	work out very nicely uh for the maiev to
12366s	be picking up at least one six on curve
12368s	this game
12370s	max
12372s	clearing up with the ashara just get a
12375s	roll again into nothing that impressive
12378s	so just going to take a 4-4 as it's just
12380s	the biggest overall minion available to
12382s	him a little bit painful a little bit
12384s	unfortunate but still he's keeping up
12387s	with the levels overall and even beating
12389s	out some of the other players who are
12390s	staying a little bit lower but often
12392s	when you see a player stay on a lower
12394s	tavern tier it's because that that hero
12396s	can afford to or should right
12400s	and once again we are piecing things
12402s	together with queen ashara yet again
12404s	it's a no dragon lobby which you know we
12407s	have seen dragons so they they're not as
12409s	cursed as beasts have been in this
12411s	tournament so far uh but it does seem
12413s	like we've been looking at a lot of
12414s	queen ashara's who have not had the easy
12417s	chroma wing solution even in the lobby
12419s	where dragons were available the ashara
12421s	player did not find the chroma wing on
12424s	tavern one to be able to make this easy
12427s	uh so max is just kind of piecing this
12429s	together turn by turn here we have turn
12431s	five still some distance away from
12433s	getting this done seems unlikely that it
12435s	will happen on six here yet again
12443s	a pretty strong board here from hook
12446s	tusk
12447s	for the vt all the vt back again okay
12450s	finds the drive up to even overall which
12453s	i think is fine
12454s	yeah those last two trades were huge
12456s	just in terms of tie versus taking
12458s	damage
12466s	coming in with test looking
12468s	like we're off to a reasonable start
12471s	here plenty of early synergy with the
12473s	lava lurkers and with the snail this is
12474s	kind of the tempo start that you want
12477s	which is very nice because the one thing
12479s	that tess can suffer with is just a
12482s	little bit of early damage their hero
12484s	power doesn't actually affect the board
12487s	immediately so that one extra gold that
12489s	you kind of have to spend on rolling in
12490s	weird positions if you want to pick up
12492s	your opponent's stuff
12494s	can cause you to fall a little bit
12495s	further behind on tempo but if you're
12497s	double lava lurker double snail then i
12499s	don't think you're going to be having
12500s	too many tempo troubles in the early
12502s	game
12503s	wait is coming going for the triple now
12507s	no okay i was i was very confused for a
12509s	second there but yeah looks like he's
12511s	gonna go for the triple next turn to go
12514s	into six which makes much more sense
12517s	yep this all looks perfect to me this uh
12521s	gambler kind of enabling this play as
12524s	well normally you wouldn't buy sell
12526s	through as much of that stuff as you
12527s	would there because you want to have
12528s	that gold for options next term when you
12531s	go to six but because you have the
12532s	gambler available you have an excess of
12534s	gold available on the following turn
12536s	anyway uh so kyomi just decided hey i'm
12539s	gonna
12540s	switch into some milk here maybe pick up
12542s	a couple of extra spellcraft spells
12543s	because if i now triple into that
12545s	officer i'm gonna be really really
12547s	potentially heavily set up exactly right
12549s	he clearly wants to
12551s	transition into naga as everyone does
12553s	and that just makes sense to have access
12555s	to some spells because the rest of his
12557s	board doesn't right he doesn't really
12558s	have any naga generating spells right
12560s	now so he will have something at least
12562s	and looks like he's gonna take care of
12564s	this
12565s	no problem as far as i can see
12568s	yep looks good picks up one of the two
12570s	possible blood gems there as well which
12572s	you know also produces a potential
12574s	officer now hopefully we will just stay
12577s	here and see what this outcome is going
12579s	to be because i'm sure we are tripling
12581s	into a six right here right now nice
12583s	tempo spell two with the plus a that's
12585s	right i think that's nice just for that
12587s	because i i can't imagine comey's
12589s	actually gonna just suddenly have a
12590s	board full of naga this specific turn so
12593s	one more turn security here oh there it
12595s	is
12597s	welcome to the team
12599s	only didn't get picked quicker because
12600s	he was just
12602s	it's the only reason that would have
12604s	been snap picked otherwise
12605s	jogger welcome to the team welcome to
12608s	the losing tv
12614s	ah orgasoid welcome to the team
12622s	this is the scenario i was talking about
12624s	before
12625s	um where because siren was in play again
12627s	we didn't see the triple don't know if
12629s	the uh if it was offered up against the
12631s	officer but because siren is there
12632s	specifically i would always almost
12635s	always take the orgazoa straight up in
12638s	this position because you have the siren
12640s	immediately procking the extra value
12642s	you're strong enough uh that you can get
12645s	away with it uh lorinda just confirming
12646s	for us that the other two picks were
12648s	nothing so this is just a straight up
12649s	choice but i do think it illustrates the
12651s	position nicely even though this is a
12652s	four naga board which you might just
12654s	argue or sorry a three naga board that
12656s	would be a four naga board if you pick
12658s	the officer to be your fourth naga i
12660s	still think just the siren orgazoa
12662s	synergy is just generally more valuable
12664s	to use as a building block yeah and on
12666s	27 health and because you don't want to
12669s	be stacking the mini mermaids i think
12672s	it's right right there's enough health
12674s	that uh dappy can actually take a good
12676s	amount of hits here if you know he
12678s	really has to and still feel good for
12680s	the following two oh
12681s	[Music]
12683s	no he's here welcome to the team
12687s	tess has found the officer
12690s	that you are looking for you say now
12692s	gets to roll into this pick up the win
12694s	condition and all of this early tempo
12696s	you can see how important this is
12697s	because look at that break point you
12700s	fight the high roller you fight the
12701s	spike player you take the damage because
12703s	you're always going to lose to that but
12705s	because of the amount of early health
12706s	protected by all this tempo 16 and 16 is
12710s	the second best number in battlegrounds
12713s	after 31 16 is the best number
12719s	we've been getting the snail triple as
12721s	well absolutely huge ticking all the
12723s	boxes here
12728s	okay
12729s	that is
12731s	relatively early as well right
12733s	considering how stacked it can
12735s	potentially get to the uh the mermaid
12737s	yes it is uh the one downside right now
12740s	for tess is no passive scaling so my
12744s	eyes immediately gravitate towards oroph
12748s	the reform who is the next opponent for
12751s	tess and would you believe it there is
12754s	an orgasoa and a siren in tess's future
12758s	but yeah let's uh let's find something
12760s	else to do lorendo with these last 30
12762s	seconds while we wait for that to happen
12764s	sisyphus now loading up looks like he
12767s	has conceded that he has whiffed this
12769s	game he is now going into full poison
12771s	scam we are seeing the bristleback
12773s	knight being kind of a common component
12775s	as that as well as very high value
12776s	divine shield minion that you can throw
12778s	in but yeah this is this is a give up
12780s	board if i've ever seen one from
12781s	sisyphus he has resigned to just trying
12784s	to scam as many extra places as he can
12786s	yeah absolutely the right thing to do
12788s	and and also as well uh obviously as you
12790s	said to be trying to gain any possible
12792s	points which is great uh he was also
12795s	second place currently on six points so
12797s	if he has a middling game if he can just
12800s	gain a few points he's still looking
12802s	fine right it's not like uh as if like
12804s	kyomi got an eighth place now it would
12806s	be absolutely heartbreaking for him does
12809s	get two poisons activated as well which
12812s	go left it goes right
12814s	that's six damage lives a million damage
12818s	that is death damage is what it is it's
12820s	damage cap damage going through that
12823s	orgazoa value trading into the
12825s	non-poisoned minion means that sisyphus
12827s	is going to bite the dust we see all
12829s	dragon taking a chunk here as well uh
12832s	lots of value in hand i see double nest
12835s	matron i was wondering i should have
12837s	probably noticed the common connection
12839s	of battle cry being on all of these
12841s	cards in hand but this does make a lot
12843s	of sense
12846s	this is tough like but what where does
12849s	all dragon need to go from this point he
12851s	has a lot of access to gold he has
12854s	a jumble of minions is the words i'm
12856s	going to choose to use here okay what is
12858s	he trying to do
12861s	uh well live first and foremost
12863s	personally i mean i find that question
12864s	difficult to answer because my immediate
12866s	reaction
12867s	uh would have been
12869s	press the button use that gold and then
12871s	try and find mantid queens and leroy's
12874s	on six right to be able to defend from
12875s	this position because you're too late
12878s	to go naga usually um but the fact is
12881s	that all dragons stayed on five and is
12883s	just trying to find additional tempo is
12885s	just loading up these battle cries into
12887s	maximum stats and just trying to outlast
12890s	one more player which again i think
12893s	shows a difference in this spot between
12895s	my general mindset which is a ladder
12897s	mindset and or dragon's position which
12900s	is well i finished first last lobby so
12903s	who cares about actually scrapping for
12905s	top four if i can turn this seventh into
12908s	sixth and then turn that sixth into
12909s	fifth i'll take that and then we'll play
12911s	lobby three and we'll see where things
12912s	end up this is a play that's actually
12914s	ended on something huge here that
12916s	volgin's very good at which is the
12918s	myrmidon right uh bulging big stats
12920s	obviously it's better if you have stacks
12922s	and argos already because they're
12923s	normally a lot bigger
12925s	3466 out oh
12928s	good trade
12930s	it was close
12931s	it was so close yeah i mean to fully
12935s	finish the point as to why we're seeing
12936s	this so often towards being made big and
12939s	then being swapped away from having
12941s	taunt it's because of exactly that
12944s	leeroy dynamic that we keep seeing right
12946s	that makes your leroy trade into a 2-2
12949s	instead of a massive
12951s	the biggest minion on your opponent's
12952s	board also the reason by the way where i
12954s	keep harping on about this and i really
12956s	feel like the players that we're
12957s	watching are undervaluing this the
12960s	magnetic mech spellcraft interaction is
12963s	also so huge because it allows you to
12966s	give divine shield to things without
12968s	taunt by putting the divine shield on a
12971s	menace and then magnetizing that onto
12974s	something on your board you create a
12976s	divine shield non-taunt which is then
12978s	leroy resistant right because their
12979s	leroy goes into your taunt minion
12981s	instead of your divine shield minion
12982s	which is another factor you can throw in
12984s	that's very similar
12989s	though dappy has all of the tools
12991s	required honestly a second atheist in
12993s	hand uh a
12996s	certain amount of spells to again start
12998s	stacking the stats does have the siren
13000s	but it is only a normal one i think
13003s	again other than a golden atheista i
13005s	think the next step is a golden siren in
13007s	a lot of cases right just to really
13009s	start rolling uh the main outcome of
13011s	course being that well two sirens is
13014s	kind of the same but it's not it's two
13016s	spaces on board when you could do the
13018s	same thing for one
13020s	i do think this is interesting just
13022s	watching this dynamic play out like in
13024s	even in comparison to my ladder games
13026s	which like right now my ladder games are
13028s	pretty high level right like it's early
13029s	season i'm top 15. i'm going to brag for
13031s	them
13032s	like my lobbies tend to have like one or
13035s	two like xqn sauron type people in it
13038s	right like one or two of them the
13040s	difference between that and eight of
13042s	those players in the same lobby is still
13044s	striking me and this isn't just a humble
13046s	brag i do have a point to make here
13048s	because in my situation on ladder
13051s	i would be selling this brute right now
13053s	because i don't care about it i want to
13056s	replace that with another spellcraft
13058s	minion so that i can pump my
13060s	uh my theta and my siren value even more
13063s	and then end up the one other person
13066s	that's also hit the nuts in the lobby so
13068s	i end up bigger than them that dynamic
13070s	is so different when like four five six
13073s	people are all just doing the same thing
13076s	and on a similar footing with you in the
13077s	same lobby you can't afford to take
13080s	those one turn hits in tempo because you
13083s	just get immediately murdered and also
13085s	as well like the as you mentioned before
13087s	the big deal is you're not playing three
13088s	games for points on ladder
13091s	you know made up points unless you're
13093s	top 16 i guess and we did just see uh
13095s	baba fat go out there in seventh uh
13098s	which is rough right he was only on 2.5
13101s	points so far the seventh won't gain him
13104s	much either um baba fat would have to do
13107s	something miraculous
13109s	uh in the next game to to give him any
13111s	chance of making that top f4 or dragon
13114s	though still just uh surviving even on
13118s	one health if you've got one health and
13120s	you're not dead which is all you really
13121s	need honestly so he's doing a good job
13123s	of uh banking a minimum of a sixth and
13126s	he is going up against max on the um
13130s	ashara so
13131s	let me have a quick look at that one uh
13136s	oh there it is oh yeah maybe not looking
13138s	too great for all dragon in this next
13140s	fight but still
13142s	no officer for max so the numbers are
13145s	relatively small there's good divine
13147s	shield value and it has been milking a
13150s	lava lurker which is one individually
13151s	huge minion uh but no officer to be seen
13154s	just yet
13161s	uh we saw
13162s	all dragon picking up the uh the new
13165s	murky in that position which
13167s	is uh something that we haven't talked
13169s	about too much i did touch on it at the
13171s	beginning it was kind of covered in that
13172s	glossary of like um you know dark gay
13174s	zelda murkai
13176s	those are the things that i think you
13178s	generally should not be doing in these
13180s	lobbies when i said don't go into
13182s	another minion type and start scaling a
13184s	different minion type because it just
13185s	doesn't work um that's kind of where we
13188s	are i think with murky and you kind of
13189s	see that right like this is all dragon's
13192s	board he has a brand he has some merlin
13194s	there's a four space on board it's just
13196s	not being put on the board because it's
13198s	you know it's that irrelevant to the
13199s	situation
13203s	good trades poisoning the mermaid and
13205s	getting some work done does get rid of
13206s	the bran which is a big deal yes
13210s	is it live again job done
13212s	yep i mean this is exactly it right turn
13214s	the seventh into sixth then turn the
13216s	sixth into fifth that's exactly what i
13218s	was saying a couple of turns ago it's
13219s	exactly what all dragon has done we
13221s	could just find out who or dragon's next
13223s	opponent is i think he might have found
13225s	the end of the road but i do believe
13228s	that this is just oh he's found the
13230s	ghost as well turn that fifth into
13233s	fourth let's go that's uh kyomi right
13236s	the ghost so he has uh all dragon has
13239s	the weaker naga player uh as it goes to
13241s	go against this turn okay beatable
13244s	it's very beatable yeah very beatable
13247s	again it goes to show how warped this
13249s	meta is and we're like okay you're
13251s	finding the ghost but they are one of
13252s	the naga players so you might have a
13254s	chance against them yeah
13258s	we're off here with a you know a big
13260s	mixed bag of minions the golden child
13263s	just
13264s	wondering what he's doing here i thought
13266s	he thought he was still on a break
13272s	i mean honest actually
13274s	now that you mention it what on earth
13276s	has occurred on this board
13278s	how have we got to this position he
13280s	tripled into a
13282s	four i believe
13284s	yes uh got the uh fire elemental and
13288s	then i think just
13290s	carried on relevant not fire well what's
13292s	it called the the
13294s	of the cleave yeah yeah sorry sorry um
13297s	and uh and yeah the rest of the game i
13300s	don't know i think i think from that
13302s	point where he tripled into it and then
13304s	just it felt like a whiff he probably
13306s	from what i've been noticing anyway on
13308s	on the
13309s	turn by turn stuff is just he just went
13311s	for
13312s	it's a poison sort of best minion style
13315s	just to get him through
13318s	to be fair it is providing quillboard
13320s	minion type to him right now which with
13322s	double mounted in play is actually doing
13323s	quite a lot of work as you can see them
13326s	bless themselves with the divine shields
13328s	once again this is the no officer naga
13330s	board on the other side which is still a
13332s	very beatable scenario that's a great
13334s	trade into the divine shield poison
13338s	the small one
13339s	yeah and now with multiple big minions
13340s	and two poisons left over that's gonna
13342s	value trade into the smaller minion and
13344s	that means that auroch is going to
13346s	survive as well and kill the queen
13349s	ashara who has gone this entire game
13351s	without actually finding any real
13353s	legitimate naga scaling which means
13356s	order dragon moonwalk i mean this
13359s	nonsense of a board
13361s	and or off with that nonsense of a board
13363s	has outlasted two different naga players
13367s	who hit on their triples which beautiful
13370s	stuff well deserved points
13373s	for both orovan or dragon in this spot
13375s	and two very different stories as well
13377s	right all dragons coming off the back of
13378s	winning the previous game uh which means
13381s	now at worst at top four he might be
13383s	aurov at this point who knows uh
13386s	although who is he actually facing
13389s	oh he's facing happy yeah he's facing
13392s	deputy um but also aurov finished
13395s	seventh in the previous game at one
13397s	point so the fact that he's moving up
13399s	again to a minimum of top four like
13402s	that's the recovery game right at worst
13404s	from this point so then he you can make
13407s	plans for game three after this
13408s	performance i think as you said both
13410s	players have done a great job of just
13412s	pulling a finish out of absolutely
13414s	nowhere
13418s	and this is the question right is you
13420s	look at uh
13422s	you look at what was facing on the other
13424s	side you look at what is
13427s	on dappy's board like
13429s	how do you make this
13431s	be that that's that's
13434s	a selfless hero
13436s	yeah
13437s	easy peasy throw tony in there for good
13439s	times
13449s	yeah just saying poison equals poison so
13452s	i'll just dump the extra stats onto the
13453s	myrmidon hope that that then competes
13456s	with one giant naga on the other side
13458s	right by giving 52 attacks then 104
13460s	attack you're saying okay this is now
13463s	also poisonous right even against high
13465s	roll naga at this point i've made
13467s	another poisonous minion by giving it
13469s	104 attack which yeah makes sense
13476s	uh value trade available yes
13479s	oh so cool
13481s	good effort good
13483s	two damage away on one break point of
13485s	being able to survive another tie and
13487s	yes as predicted yeah round of applause
13489s	great effort or dragon and aura off
13491s	really i think putting up the showing of
13493s	the tournament in that lobby scrapping
13494s	with messy stuff to outlast naga players
13498s	and find themselves in that top four
13500s	but as predicted it is going to be once
13502s	again the two of the players that hit
13504s	and hit hard who are now back in
13507s	business and it's going to be a top two
13509s	showdown with a tess involved which is
13511s	always an utterly miserable feeling when
13514s	you are not the test
13517s	yeah that is very true although it's
13519s	also a weird test board as well like
13521s	with like pre-emptive two leroys on and
13524s	i very much have seen a lot of tests you
13526s	know have the strong naga board and then
13529s	if needed switch to the the sort of tech
13532s	uh as opposed to starting with double
13534s	tech instead so
13536s	very weird here by the way that's uh two
13539s	hero hero-powered dormant minions in a
13541s	tavern six shop which means uh dappy is
13544s	actually losing a minion on every single
13546s	roll right now which is not something
13548s	that you see too often at this level
13550s	very curious as to what led him into
13551s	that situation
13552s	importantly as well one of them is argus
13555s	so he can taunt up a leroy if needed
13557s	something we've seen a few times in the
13558s	past yep
13562s	demanded as well although i imagine this
13564s	is just going to be psycho play the glow
13566s	scaling
13567s	maybe hero power the demanded but again
13570s	as you mentioned like the more hero
13572s	powers lay down for any given turn the
13574s	more of a problem is
13575s	yeah i really don't like continuing to
13577s	hero power here if you're going to if
13579s	you want that mantids you can just
13581s	freeze it and pick it up next turn you
13582s	can even double sell something including
13584s	the ghoul to pick it up now if you
13586s	really wanted to
13589s	now both players gonna get a look at
13591s	their updated boards and really see what
13593s	they're gonna have to fight against to
13595s	make something happen
13599s	decent opening hits for dappy
13602s	that is a fantastic hit for daffy
13604s	there's now value trade available but
13606s	yeah numbers just too much
13608s	too much on the other side we'll have to
13611s	go through
13612s	uh one more fight because 14 is not
13615s	enough but tess just once again gets to
13618s	uh pick and choose whatever is available
13621s	from this uh buffet
13623s	of naga on the other side
13627s	it's so silly
13630s	just whatever you want me just have it
13633s	it's fine
13634s	and interestingly enough because of the
13637s	way uh hyunsai's minions have sort of
13640s	shaken out and the way the the warband's
13642s	been made there's no natural glow scale
13646s	in the in the build right and normally
13648s	that's the one i would like end on in in
13651s	this kind of test face-off scenario uh
13653s	but he has like a relatively weak naga
13656s	with the taunt right instead so
13659s	and the problem is he's gone too far
13660s	past the point that he can bail on it
13662s	because it's too big and providing too
13664s	many buffs
13665s	but it's still it's not straightforward
13667s	but he does have his option now at the
13668s	uh coveted golden leroy if he really
13671s	wanted it yeah he had that at the start
13673s	of the turn as well and then just like
13675s	sold out one of his leroy to then pick
13677s	up another one as well as some other
13678s	stuff um yeah i think if there is any
13682s	weakness in unsaid's game right now it's
13685s	that he does just have one taunt which
13687s	is also arguably his best minion right
13690s	that's not the situation you want to be
13692s	in in a late-game battle it has two
13695s	technically right
13696s	yes yeah okay the other minion will give
13698s	itself torn yes
13701s	but yeah it's still it's not the best
13703s	naga board i've ever seen but it's still
13705s	just strong
13706s	yes
13707s	so the big factor then is where that
13711s	spellcraft goes from the actual tour
13713s	minion i do
13714s	like that he has been putting it on the
13716s	mounted generally to be able to pick up
13718s	that divine shield
13719s	uh cleaves off the divine shield with
13721s	the first attack second attack is okay
13724s	but once again
13725s	it just seems to me like the numbers are
13727s	too small on the other side yeah
13729s	he would need at the very least to get
13731s	into a position where that 60 attack
13733s	minion that he had dealt with the 70
13736s	health taunt on the other side right if
13738s	he can make that break point happen
13740s	then his brute might be able to take a
13742s	two for one at the end of the fight and
13744s	find a tie um but because his numbers
13746s	were just ever so slightly smaller than
13748s	the tests on the other side which
13749s	they're always kind of going to be when
13752s	you get to that position of the game
13753s	because tess just gets to pick and
13755s	choose whatever you want that's always
13756s	going to be an uphill battle from that
13758s	point and yeah just to make the point
13760s	tess finish that game on tavern five
13763s	with oh with golden official golden
13767s	siren two leroys uh mantid queen like
13770s	everything from six that you could
13771s	possibly want cabin five just doesn't
13774s	need to go there just steal it from
13775s	everyone else that's fair remember
13777s	priest everyone enjoyed that right let's
13779s	just do that but in battlegrounds yeah
13781s	sure okay you see yansu and all dragon
13784s	basically mirroring each other at this
13786s	point now both equally 11.5 points uh
13789s	kayomi struggling at two going into the
13792s	final
13793s	uh the final game and extremely unlikely
13796s	if not reasonably impossible uh to make
13799s	it into top four and baba fat also
13801s	struggling at 3.5 but above that you
13804s	know it's still all up for grabs right
13806s	obviously dappy looking the best uh uh
13809s	beneath the next two players at the top
13810s	but still a lot up for grabs here in
13812s	this final game but yeah tess is a
13815s	monster and i think what was cool about
13817s	the taunt on the mounted as well is it
13820s	made
13822s	it made putting the brute further up so
13824s	it can attack earlier and maybe get some
13825s	wind fury on the smaller minions
13828s	um
13829s	not doable because if the manta is
13831s	taunted and you hit your shield on
13833s	someone else first and then hit into the
13834s	mantid you just lose the brute right so
13837s	i think that positioning and that sort
13839s	of
13840s	naga late game
13842s	their face off is super interesting
13844s	because there's so many different ways
13845s	you can position and like force your
13847s	opponent into weird scenarios
13850s	all right so here's what we're doing for
13852s	our final lobby okay
13854s	we're doing
13855s	naga mex quillboar beasts dragons that's
13861s	our lobby okay
13863s	calling it now
13864s	it's what we need it's what we need all
13866s	the comments
13868s	all the things that i've been talking
13869s	about all day about oh we can't do this
13871s	because x is not in you just put all of
13873s	those x's in together and just have the
13875s	giga lobby to round off the day that's
13877s	how it has to work i think it's not
13879s	going to happen and that's how we
13880s	actually the final game happens of
13882s	tomorrow is just right
13885s	everyone have everything
13887s	go it's possible uh but yeah really good
13890s	game there i like the uh the way all
13893s	dragon just played this out and made
13894s	this work i think this is impressive
13897s	because it's so hard to do it's to like
13900s	keep up and like position yourself in a
13902s	spot where you just as you mentioned
13904s	just you go from sixth to fifth you go
13906s	up another one you go up another one
13908s	right and that just secures so many more
13910s	points and now with all dragon and
13912s	beyonce 11.5 points going into game
13916s	three
13918s	they just have to not completely mess up
13921s	right there are so many things that
13922s	would have to go wrong for them not to
13924s	feel safe at this point i i think
13926s	they've had a a great couple of games so
13928s	far
13929s	yeah uh oral four dragon i think shout
13931s	out that was the lobby of the tournament
13933s	for me from those two players um again
13936s	you know i described it originally you
13938s	recapped it perfectly like that's the
13939s	job you when you get in a position like
13941s	that you're like okay i don't have the
13942s	naga i don't have the i don't have the
13944s	ethissa i don't have anything going for
13946s	me so i'm gonna win this fight and then
13949s	another one and then i'm just gonna dj
13950s	khaled my way all the way as far up the
13953s	rankings as i possibly can until other
13955s	people around me die and it's just all
13957s	you can do
13958s	and saying that in principle is so much
13962s	easier than actually doing it yes
13965s	there was luck the fifth i think
13967s	entirely played for and got by or dragon
13970s	in particular
13972s	um and then for me
13975s	then
13976s	finding the ghost that's the good
13978s	fortune that you're then rewarded for
13979s	for
13980s	getting yourself in that position right
13982s	like you don't necessarily have to get a
13983s	top four from that spot but you put
13985s	yourself in a position where the ghost
13987s	is available and you have as good a
13988s	chance as are two other players around
13990s	you being able to hit that i mean as
13991s	simple as that if he didn't survive long
13993s	enough he would have been the ghost
13995s	there you go so you can't fight the
13997s	ghost if you're already dead uh but yeah
13999s	that was just game number two and that
14000s	means we honestly i felt like i've
14002s	blinked but we've only got one more game
14005s	of the day left and it's gonna decide
14007s	even welcome to battlegrounds casting
14009s	it's bliss over here this is this is
14011s	what every day is like easy mode casting
14014s	going on what is this uh we have only
14017s	got one more game left so make sure you
14019s	stay tuned to catch that as we will then
14020s	be able to tell you who our top are
14022s	going into tomorrow the final day of
14025s	lobby legends noble garden so stay tuned
14027s	we'll be right back
14034s	[Music]
14037s	oh it's good to have you back can i get
14040s	you anything
14050s	[Music]
14055s	it's a good time to hire some new
14057s	minions
14061s	what a great addition to your team
14065s	[Music]
14069s	you can't go wrong with that one
14075s	a solid choice
14077s	[Music]
14084s	[Music]
14086s	new recruit is ready to go
14090s	[Music]
14095s	victory never tasted sweeter
14099s	[Music]
14145s	ah
14148s	[Music]
14170s	[Music]
14179s	[Music]
14184s	[Applause]
14185s	[Music]
14225s	we are back with the third and final
14227s	game of this lobby and the final game of
14230s	the day satellite before we dive into it
14232s	before the players jump in um how have
14235s	you found the day has it gone as
14236s	expected any big surprises for you so
14238s	far
14240s	no hard to say too much surprise i think
14243s	you know it doesn't take a hearthstone
14246s	analyst of my renown and genius to
14248s	predict what the meta was going to be
14250s	coming into this tournament right yeah i
14252s	predicted it exactly yeah it made sense
14254s	we were gonna see naga everywhere um i
14257s	think you know just based on what i've
14259s	seen in like various chats and around
14261s	everywhere i think there might be a
14263s	little bit of a perception if anything
14264s	that like oh you know poison murlocs can
14267s	beat naga or you know this can beat naga
14270s	and my answer to that is just kind of
14272s	no no they can't um
14274s	oh i suppose if you listen to xd uh
14276s	nagas are just a support class and
14278s	they're not actually that good anyway um
14280s	which is terrible also also a take that
14282s	is a thing that you can definitely post
14283s	on the internet um but
14286s	uh as expected for the most part again i
14289s	think we're banging on about him we've
14290s	made this point specifically but i do
14292s	think
14293s	the gas coiler and beast in general
14296s	interaction and how that affects the
14298s	metagame is the one thing that we
14299s	perhaps been missing
14302s	i thought beast rotated out
14304s	no no beasts are still in the game
14307s	they do still exist it's just we've
14309s	played five lobbies in a row without
14311s	them um but yeah that interaction is
14313s	just kind of giving an extra tool to the
14316s	scan player right because guards coiler
14318s	equals reborn gas coil equals a ton of
14320s	tempo equals murder board right you
14322s	fight a naga player who's just spiked
14325s	into the six you have a reborn gas
14327s	coiler you hit them for 25 right because
14330s	if damage caps already off your gas coil
14332s	pops open you get the gas coiler back
14333s	you get two five or six drop death rows
14335s	of the coiler boom you've killed them
14337s	outside of that leroy is coming out of
14339s	gas coiler that's just your ultimate
14341s	scan potential that is the way outside
14344s	of lich king reborn leroy with khadgar's
14347s	that's the highest scam potential in the
14349s	game right gas coilers and the amount of
14350s	leeroy's that you can get out of them
14352s	particularly in certain lobbies that's
14354s	the one dynamic that i think has been
14356s	missing from the mix right now
14358s	the only thing that i would peg as a
14359s	surprise is the i thought and i will
14361s	hold my hands up i only started into
14364s	this and using this in my games last
14366s	night when i say last night about six
14369s	hours ago um
14372s	yep yep checks out um the uk time the
14375s	mech divine sheet the mech magnetic
14378s	spellcraft interaction is something that
14380s	i thought more players would be ahead of
14382s	me on and understand how powerful that
14384s	was already and since i only started
14386s	doing it a few hours ago leading into
14387s	this i thought these players would be
14389s	more used to doing that as well in their
14391s	defense however there haven't been that
14393s	many opportunities i've noticed where
14395s	that would be a thing that could be gone
14396s	for mex have also been banned quite a
14398s	lot in the the various lobbies uh there
14401s	was one situation with a menace and a
14403s	foe reaper already on board i called out
14404s	some things could have happened that
14405s	perhaps didn't um but but overall pretty
14409s	much par for the course of what we
14410s	expected coming into this right
14412s	yeah it really is and i think um
14415s	a lot of it as we've seen is
14418s	yes we've seen this in the past uh i
14420s	think for me especially with their quill
14422s	ball when they initially came out the
14424s	meta became quillboards but it it is
14427s	it's not like it's not interesting
14429s	though because how you get to the naga
14431s	especially when naga specifically are so
14433s	heavily leaned towards the tier 6
14435s	minions being your
14436s	the key pieces of the puzzle but how you
14439s	get there how you get there with
14440s	different heroes how greedy you try and
14443s	get there and then we've seen people
14444s	punished right we've seen people go down
14446s	to low health totals and then when they
14448s	hit someone of equal or slightly more
14450s	power level
14451s	they get hit for that final bit and
14452s	they're done and that's still an
14454s	inherent risk in itself because as we've
14456s	been mentioning these aren't ladder
14458s	games where okay i'm gonna try this if
14460s	it doesn't work i lost a few mmr so what
14463s	if if any of these players try something
14465s	and it fails miserably that's a third of
14467s	their potential points that they can
14470s	gain to an extent
14471s	gone and they have to be in the top half
14474s	to make it into the second day and the
14476s	second day is where i think arguably
14479s	you'd fancy your chances even more right
14481s	because it's not just three lobbies
14484s	there's a bigger chance of you actually
14486s	making it all the way because there's
14488s	generally going to be more lobbies
14490s	unless you only watch the last day of
14492s	the previous lobby legends
14494s	where you've got a bigger chance you've
14496s	got more time to get going some of that
14498s	consistency might you know uh impact
14500s	even more because there's generally more
14502s	games to play so i think you do
14505s	everything possible to get into that top
14507s	five top eight sorry and
14509s	you know risking things doing things a
14511s	bit too greedily we have seen players
14513s	get punished for that so i think that's
14515s	a even though the game is very naga
14517s	centric right now it's very important to
14520s	still do it well right like if you just
14522s	if i went in there and tried to do these
14524s	things i'd probably consistently be like
14526s	seventh eighth uh maximum right because
14529s	i wouldn't be able to get to the good
14531s	points as smoothly as some of these
14533s	players do
14534s	yeah and this is um you know not an
14538s	opinion that is shared by a large number
14540s	of people but i really enjoy meta games
14542s	like this as long as they're temporary i
14544s	have a really good time with them
14546s	because
14547s	the sense of close to perfection
14551s	feels attainable right like when there
14553s	is one clear strategy that you have to
14555s	work towards and then one fail-safe
14557s	strategy that you go to if that doesn't
14559s	work it feels like you can achieve 99
14562s	perfection on playing those two
14564s	strategies if you work hard enough right
14566s	you're gonna run out of time before the
14568s	meta game changes and then you you but
14570s	you feel like you could get to the point
14573s	where you understand every nuance every
14575s	out every percentage calculation every
14578s	odds the rolls the hits everything that
14581s	you need you understand the game
14583s	perfectly because it's been boiled down
14585s	and condensed down and you know like
14587s	cooking stock down to an actual zoo in
14589s	the end you condense all that flavor
14592s	into one large delicious punch
14595s	and then you can really focus on doing
14597s	one thing incredibly well i don't want
14599s	to do it forever but for now i do think
14601s	it's an interesting snapshot of a
14602s	competitive metagame of like who can do
14605s	this optimally for the longest over the
14607s	period of the tournament i think that's
14609s	kind of cool that's the thing as well no
14611s	doubt the meta in general will develop
14613s	uh
14614s	again i before everyone calls me on this
14616s	i have no knowledge of any patches but
14618s	generally battlegrounds gets patched
14620s	right he gets updates gets bounce
14622s	changes maybe that happens and guess
14624s	what there's more lobby legends coming
14626s	up in the future as well so there'll be
14628s	plenty more time for players to either
14630s	maybe play in this style of meta
14632s	remember in the near future and naga
14634s	will not be in every lobby then then
14636s	what does the game look like right
14638s	because we've still got these additional
14639s	neutral minions with the likes of leroy
14642s	uh the mantid as well with some a few
14644s	changes in the meta that aren't naga
14646s	centric which means when naga aren't in
14648s	every lobby suddenly we have to go back
14651s	and think oh right yeah what do the
14652s	other minion types do again how do i
14654s	play those right and like how do i win
14657s	when nagas on it strictly involved and
14660s	all this spellcraft isn't really uh
14662s	involved in any particular game so
14664s	there's still
14665s	a lot of variety going on overall in the
14667s	near future again slight delay because
14670s	some of the players are struggling today
14671s	they're not just even china uh the the
14674s	chinese players now it looks like a
14675s	potential issue i don't know this might
14677s	be the lobby as i'm seeing heroes
14680s	whenever i look over here it's i'm
14682s	staring at the uh the uh the screen that
14684s	tells me what's going on in the game and
14686s	yeah it looks like we are good to go so
14688s	again thanks for bearing with us we do
14690s	want to prioritize the players being
14692s	comfortable and good to go with their
14694s	connections but let's get into it subtle
14696s	kick us off
14697s	so we are looking at oroff who is in the
14702s	position of needing to climb he's 5.5
14704s	points right now which sits him in sixth
14707s	place so he needs to make some gains and
14709s	he has got
14711s	four three and a half very good heroes
14714s	for making gains here i think failing we
14716s	can argue over i think the other three
14718s	most people would agree uh definitely
14721s	have straight up lobby winning potential
14723s	he does go with the failing okay uh i
14726s	heard uh i was watching beaufort stream
14728s	and i heard him presenting the argument
14730s	uh that he thought phelan was just you
14732s	know absolute top tier right the way up
14735s	there which has not been my experience
14738s	so far uh stats do have him quite high
14740s	overall but not in the absolute top tier
14743s	um but interesting to see aurov
14745s	presented with some really really strong
14748s	options there falling back on the phelan
14750s	look at this lobby overall uh with the
14753s	heroes right and we have tickets in
14756s	there we have an afk we have elise
14758s	uh which i'll confess i've not played
14760s	too much but uh when i have played it
14762s	you know the decision to discover is
14764s	pretty cool and yeah i've only just
14766s	noticed most importantly for the
14767s	character type we have beasts
14770s	i only just noticed
14772s	we've done it
14773s	uh so what was my call uh okay dragons
14775s	are battles so yeah
14778s	yeah so i went beast mex
14780s	no beast mex naga quillboard and then
14783s	dragons dragons are out
14786s	it's poor bad or bad no yeah a grey bow
14789s	as well i've seen some people talk about
14791s	the strength of greyball which uh seems
14793s	a little bit strange to me because
14795s	naga don't generate minions
14798s	but maybe that's uh a way to especially
14801s	considering it's all dragon on greybau
14803s	and that's there's options to again
14806s	muscle people out of the game early and
14809s	just if you if you manage to grab three
14811s	points you know what more than enough
14813s	for fraud dragon right now yeah i mean
14815s	exactly all dragon is tied for first
14817s	right now on 11.5 so
14820s	honestly the assignment right now for
14821s	all dragon as he understands it is
14823s	almost just don't get eighth right like
14826s	you can out if you can outlast one
14828s	player that's probably job done at this
14830s	point which makes uh greybau a rare pick
14832s	but i think a sensible pick in this spot
14834s	get some tempo
14838s	babafat's favoured in this one yep seems
14842s	wonderful observation you're learning
14844s	it's taking you a while to get up to
14845s	speed raven but i feel like you're there
14847s	now this is the level of analysis we've
14848s	come to expect i've played more
14850s	battlegrounds in the last three and a
14852s	half days or so
14854s	than most people have weeks that's the
14856s	good card yeah
14858s	those are some medium cards
14862s	i think amalgam just gives the most
14864s	options right and it's like the most
14866s	stats as well
14868s	yeah i think he's staying on one for a
14871s	turn i presume you're staying on one for
14872s	a turn and picking up the uh mini
14874s	mermaid
14876s	i just think if you offered me siren and
14880s	a bad minion and i'm using amalgam bad
14882s	as a loose obviously term yes i'd be
14885s	very happy as afk like give me a siren
14887s	and know what the minion had still be
14889s	all right i think like it's it's just a
14891s	great starting point obviously a good
14893s	amount of stats with those buffs going
14894s	on the siren as well means that juan
14896s	su's probably going to do well in the
14898s	next couple of combats especially yeah
14900s	because
14901s	he gained the additional momentum
14906s	and yep that is not going to cut it
14913s	coyote here going into uh tickets turn
14917s	four okay
14920s	does get the good stuff which is
14923s	infinite tempo with double uh double
14926s	lava in the shop already that you're
14927s	picking up right now which is kind of
14929s	huge not sure if he had a one drop pair
14931s	on his board is that another murmured on
14933s	below the no it's not okay in which case
14935s	yep fully in support of this
14937s	yeah i was
14939s	when i played tickets i have looked at
14941s	the additional minion a lot as well
14943s	because again you're just
14945s	looking for naga most of the time so one
14947s	extra minion uh in each shop found to be
14950s	useful but i think with exactly the two
14953s	lavas in that shop it's so much health
14956s	added to this board
14957s	i will have to unfortunately present the
14961s	argument that extra minion is almost
14963s	always bait in every scenario it just it
14966s	in terms of like these fish
14968s	yeah yeah exactly i mean well i mean you
14970s	are one of the biggest fishes i know
14972s	raven like you will take almost any bait
14974s	presented to you in any situation you've
14976s	got to test it right
14978s	i mean it's true
14981s	maybe this is just a delicious treat
14982s	that someone's presenting for no reason
14985s	how will we know leave a little cube of
14988s	cheese out on the side i mean
14989s	i'll go for it even if there's a big box
14992s	and this stick holding it up above it
14995s	uh your partner just walking around the
14997s	house just constantly having to lift up
14999s	cardboard boxes that have fallen on you
15001s	yeah exactly exactly
15006s	you know again good amount of stats are
15009s	going to be very useful here greyball
15010s	not gonna
15013s	get any real usage here
15016s	out of the hero power nothing big anyway
15019s	yep uh still reasonable fight though
15023s	minimal damage in response to what is a
15025s	extremely high tempo board on the other
15027s	side for the tickets
15028s	that's all all dragon needs isn't it
15030s	just just don't get beat up too much for
15032s	a while and you'll be fine
15037s	so we're on the double level turn is it
15038s	oh it's oh oh no it's not omu oh i
15040s	thought the green one was over oh it's
15043s	the absolute nuts when you go uh warrior
15046s	curve on panda and then just get blessed
15048s	with the over on this turn it's so good
15051s	we just got baited by the green hero
15053s	power
15055s	and is this curve something that happens
15057s	a lot with this hero as well because the
15060s	hero powers can vary in cost or is this
15062s	just something that baba fats happen to
15064s	have played out in this game yeah good
15067s	question i think your
15069s	um response to tavern two on two is kind
15073s	of given as to what your hero power is
15075s	right if you get one of those reform
15076s	curve hero powers one of those one mana
15078s	power plays
15079s	then you might be incentivized to stay
15081s	on one
15082s	my panda games i have still been
15084s	leveling on two most of the time because
15086s	you know hearing early snail or early
15088s	lava lurker is just so much extra tempo
15091s	but yes certainly your hero power
15093s	choices early on are going to define
15095s	your curve on panda and it's one of the
15097s	most
15098s	difficult early games to play overall i
15100s	would say just because number of raw
15102s	options is so high when you factor in
15105s	the rotating hero a lot of mental
15106s	gymnastics and no doubt on that one but
15109s	here's we look at dappy like this turn
15111s	or this board is going to explode soon
15113s	because he got the brute which is you
15115s	know already got a reasonable amount of
15117s	stats he's got level
15120s	triple coin triple if he wants to next
15123s	turn i think he did freeze a triple
15125s	there so
15126s	and he is scabs
15128s	though i think dappy's looking
15130s	very good so far this game especially
15132s	with the addition of that brute again
15134s	not necessary for late game but to just
15136s	really pile on the pressure in these
15138s	sort of mid game fights right now
15140s	oh look a triple oh look another triple
15143s	yeah just take shell collector
15147s	i don't know
15149s	because obviously this is cheaper than
15151s	buying the myrmadone yes the memberton's
15153s	right there anyway it's actually not is
15156s	it because he gains the coin right
15158s	yes yeah weirdly the same
15161s	very strange but yeah i do think this
15163s	doesn't make sense
15165s	yeah the coin adds damage and more
15168s	options right so
15170s	yeah but i think most importantly it
15173s	doesn't pull six damage off your board
15175s	this turn right like you still have
15176s	those two three threes in play because
15178s	if you tripled it there you would be
15180s	holding it and then you'd be leveling
15181s	the next turn you'd be doing physics
15182s	right like every time so by doing it
15184s	this way you just get to potentially win
15186s	the next fight as well and protect your
15188s	health which i think is the the biggest
15189s	factor in the decision
15196s	one thing i found with the uh i'll admit
15199s	couple of games i played with elise so
15202s	far in this patch was uh she felt very
15205s	fair it didn't feel like the discovers
15208s	were you know obviously you can hit with
15209s	the discovers right that's never never
15211s	in doubt but the hero felt a little bit
15213s	too fair for me uh because you know
15216s	there's nobody anymore right you know
15217s	you're not cheating out the the super
15219s	cheap uh maps anymore so it just went
15222s	back to feeling like yes discovers are
15224s	always nice because you can discover and
15227s	try and hit for a naga but in general it
15229s	didn't really pay off but i did only
15231s	play a couple of games so that's
15232s	probably nowhere near the sample size
15234s	required but so far max doing okay here
15236s	with simply just a lot of stats
15239s	i was gonna say what has occurred here
15241s	yeah lorinda had the same thought
15243s	clearly because we saw this on seven
15245s	minions warrior curve a couple of turns
15248s	ago and then on that fight just suddenly
15250s	down to two minions and i think babo's
15252s	just said all right
15253s	fine i've tried to play sensible
15256s	battlegrounds for a couple of games that
15258s	hasn't worked so if this is what we're
15260s	supposed to do this is what i'm gonna do
15262s	and i still don't hear it
15265s	well you're not about there's a gas coil
15266s	right there let's call it guys call up
15269s	gotcha
15271s	not scholars here
15274s	i mean it has to be right he has reborn
15276s	as well
15277s	this turn
15281s	oh yeah
15282s	i was looking around for a snake like
15284s	wait where are you see i see the snake
15286s	the gas coiler but where's the reborn
15288s	coming from but no you're absolutely
15289s	right
15291s	oh wrangler
15293s	three of the mermaid
15295s	spells
15297s	okay that is uh strange um
15301s	ramping but it's it still works does the
15304s	job yeah it'll do
15307s	got to be an angler as well no real
15309s	decision there i don't think where does
15310s	he dump the stats though i think on the
15312s	wrangler honestly
15314s	uh on to
15315s	wrangler and orgazoa yeah i think
15318s	split between those two most likely i
15320s	would prioritize orgazoa over the
15322s	wrangler all in on the orgazoa i perhaps
15325s	would have given a little bit of love to
15327s	the wrangler but give it a little bit of
15329s	a plastic yeah
15330s	you can
15334s	[Music]
15337s	yeah i think going on heavily on the
15338s	orgasm does that make the most sense
15341s	that minion now if you think about it in
15343s	these terms like the turn where you feel
15345s	like you'd have to sell a five nine you
15347s	can now probably hold on to it for two
15349s	more turns now right already because
15351s	it's a 2080 which is pretty pretty good
15354s	going rob very unimpressed staring at
15357s	this board yeah
15365s	third person just not getting the job
15366s	done is it
15371s	eight three yeah it's not even gonna
15373s	kill it oh wait yeah it does get too
15374s	well sorry yeah yeah i didn't look at
15376s	the actual attack number yeah okay it
15377s	doesn't actually matter a single bit
15380s	still takes 15. smooth amount of damage
15388s	the spicier fight but the uh at least
15390s	here from
15391s	he's getting fed a little bit
15393s	with all these spells for next turn that
15395s	look like at least two procs
15400s	so what is this leech seed attack that
15403s	everyone's doing is this new i think so
15411s	all right
15412s	what's happening this lobby we've seen
15414s	sell entire board into triple into
15417s	garcoyla lich king reborn and now we're
15419s	seeing golden ghoul having a far more
15421s	successful outcome for him it literally
15424s	spells gg isn't this just correct that
15427s	is true there's a very good point
15428s	however
15429s	he's still multiple naga away from
15431s	actually having anything vaguely
15433s	impressive going on here this is just
15435s	doing the john travolta sort of looking
15437s	around for other naga to perform
15440s	where is everyone
15443s	and no freeze for the buffs even though
15446s	there aren't any on the air
15448s	the menace
15451s	oh the comp we started to get online so
15455s	i was about to say can we get a leaper
15458s	check please lorinda but yeah there's no
15460s	one who is going leapers right now as
15462s	far as i can see but yeah this
15465s	this is the juice and both both raven
15468s	and lorinda will be able to attest the
15470s	games i was most giddy and gleeful about
15473s	doing well in were not the ones where i
15474s	hit the absolute nuts with the nagas and
15476s	got the free win it was these games
15478s	right where i got second or third by
15480s	doing silly things with gas coilers and
15484s	reborn and poison and big cleaves just
15486s	stupid scrappy games i've gained mmr in
15490s	situations i wasn't supposed to that
15492s	feels a lot better and if baba fat can
15494s	make something happen here it will i
15497s	think be a consolation prize at this
15499s	point because he's currently second last
15501s	with 3.5 and this is not a board that is
15504s	ever getting near winning the lobby
15508s	but it will at least allow him to go out
15510s	on a little bit of let's not say a high
15512s	note but a medium elevation note yeah we
15515s	spent an ungodly amount of hours on a
15517s	call player testing and sol
15520s	said verbally a lot how unlucky he is
15523s	as i watched him snake into about 100
15526s	leroys every game so you know outside
15529s	it's just not what happened what's
15531s	really frustrating about that is you
15533s	know you thought i was observably being
15535s	unlucky the entire you were watching it
15537s	happen and you're still just lying about
15539s	it oh that's too leroy
15545s	does
15546s	take a win here so he's still gonna hold
15548s	on 20 health dealing nine to the afk as
15550s	well so still that was a very important
15553s	win i think for him in that fight if
15555s	he'd gone any lower lost the fight there
15557s	i went below 15 he would be in mega
15560s	trouble because as you said his comp is
15561s	uh not the strongest in the world and
15564s	meanwhile though beyonce he's got the
15565s	golden shoal commander uh one of my
15568s	favorite cards from the uh the new set
15570s	actually
15571s	yeah it's certainly i think the
15573s	spellcraft that you just feel the most
15575s	vanilla good about playing something
15578s	right like
15579s	numbers
15580s	it is like it's it's kind of
15582s	interestingly balanced right because
15584s	in most situations with that we're used
15586s	to at the moment you have six or seven
15588s	naga on your board right so you look at
15590s	that spellcraft and then you look at all
15592s	the other ones you're like well this
15593s	one's just better than all the other
15595s	ones what's going on but you know the
15597s	intention is that boards exist at some
15600s	point where you might have less than
15602s	four naga now i don't bear with me i
15605s	know that's hard to imagine right now
15607s	but you know i'm sure somewhere down the
15609s	line we might see one or two of them and
15612s	that means of course then show commander
15614s	just becomes like almost generically the
15615s	weakest buff instead so it's kind of
15617s	interestingly balanced in that regard
15619s	but i do definitely like it as a card it
15621s	does hold up its weakness as well with
15622s	multiple siren procs though as well
15624s	right because it becomes a big minion
15626s	by itself and pops off with uh this sir
15629s	but jumping over to aurora he's uh
15631s	transitioned into
15633s	omega busters and mechs so yeah fair
15636s	enough it's uh something that's going to
15638s	add a lot of stats to her to this board
15640s	especially with the tank and the um
15641s	acryl at the end
15643s	and last time we checked in with the
15645s	elise it was a scrappy board on the
15647s	other side as well and it continues to
15649s	be that scrappy board i'm going to judge
15652s	from oroff's reaction that his odds are
15655s	not good in this fight
15658s	although looking at it to my eye this
15661s	looks okay oh actually second buster not
15663s	dying was not something that i factored
15665s	into my eye test that might be a problem
15668s	and if you look at the trades like none
15670s	of them are that good right there's
15672s	still a 14-7 if that oh okay that's very
15675s	good that was the one uh or i've wanted
15678s	to see
15679s	less good oh enough
15683s	oh it is no it can be that that exact
15685s	trade happening now means that 11 7 and
15687s	6 10 has to interact here which means at
15689s	minimum
15690s	yep there it is that is going to be the
15692s	win for fairly stays alive with no value
15703s	but how does he
15704s	improve i guess he just looks for um
15708s	i forgot the name of the card now the
15709s	three six
15712s	the threes oh kangles yeah the kangaroos
15714s	there you go yeah
15717s	meanwhile over in nagaland
15720s	meanwhile over in not rubbish board
15722s	state land
15725s	kind of the same thing right
15728s	true
15729s	yeah
15730s	this is a rubbish naga board
15735s	oh you love to see this
15737s	it's just like you go from our
15739s	hearthstone battlegrounds to the mum can
15741s	we have hearthstone battlegrounds we
15743s	have hearthstone battlegrounds at home
15745s	hearthstone battlegrounds at home there
15747s	we go and also such a big deal like
15749s	seriously speaking now that all dragon
15751s	is again just
15754s	putting stuff on the board and trying
15756s	not to die which is completely correct
15758s	i'm not laughing again
15759s	he's already achieved it he's exactly
15762s	he's hit the ghost which buys him
15764s	another turn aurov might die honestly uh
15767s	a lot of players could die from this
15769s	point with that you know eight fif
15771s	uh
15772s	15 16 so on like uh it's a a reasonable
15776s	number to come out when you know that
15778s	players are really hitting that sort of
15780s	peak performance naga right where the
15782s	atheists have been on board for a while
15784s	buffs have been played for a long time
15785s	now stats are high likelihood of a high
15788s	hit uh hard hitting minions living
15792s	i'm not sure about this one babo fat is
15794s	actually
15795s	trying to go into a thissa
15798s	uh late on in the game after having gone
15800s	with the uh reborn gas coiler this is
15802s	fine it might just work out for him
15805s	based on opponent i think this is just
15807s	kind of a weak opponent read that he's
15808s	gone for here um so it's an interesting
15811s	push for sure
15812s	i'm just going to rock out eight leroys
15814s	it's sorted it's already done
15816s	yeah
15817s	it om
15819s	it does look like aurora did convert
15821s	into a second tank as well which is
15824s	pretty helpful
15826s	but it one's dead now so it's slightly
15828s	less helpful our attack was so huge for
15830s	so many reasons firstly tank dead that
15832s	good secondly the way babo had
15834s	positioned him meant the reborn gas
15836s	coiler was actually not going to get
15838s	full value with the way it had gone down
15839s	but it just value traded into one of i
15842s	think only two potential value trade
15844s	targets on the entire board
15848s	and uh now it's farming and now it just
15851s	wins wait a minute it does
15853s	there is no outcome here that does not
15855s	beat a 12-10 no it doesn't exist i would
15859s	have found it if uh my game
15863s	and it's a big deal uh baba fat pushing
15866s	out or of now and i believe um
15869s	or off is looking bad right he's gonna
15872s	join max i think at that turn right
15874s	joint sixth and seventh and already
15876s	going into
15877s	this lobby at 5.5 points so not looking
15880s	too great at all yeah and that's a
15883s	really big deal because max was the bar
15886s	max was the seven had 7.5 was in fourth
15889s	place right so that means everyone now
15892s	left in who was previously below him is
15894s	gaining points we're even looking at
15896s	coyomi here potentially right who is
15898s	that bomb place player he's in the roger
15899s	position uh who can now be chasing down
15902s	that four
15903s	come on
15907s	that one wasn't even on purpose and you
15909s	would check your i don't know what
15910s	you're talking about i'm just listening
15912s	to you carry on yeah yeah yeah yeah
15914s	point made
15919s	yeah it is looking quite good here again
15921s	as usual and as you'll know doubt here
15923s	people say often going forward and would
15925s	love the golden form of the sirens siren
15928s	are absolutely amazing but they do take
15930s	up that go ahead that extra board space
15933s	and all dragon's just getting on with
15934s	his life
15936s	why is this board just funny
15940s	look at the state of it
15942s	it's good stuff or dragon has chosen
15945s	this life if if this board was a
15948s	standard deck i could have made it
15953s	yeah i can see that it doesn't i'm
15955s	looking at it it doesn't make any sense
15957s	and it's inherently confusing which yep
15959s	i think
15960s	there you go the ike deck comparison
15963s	makes perfect sense
15966s	like we're making fun of it but yet
15967s	again like all dragon right now is my
15971s	player of the tournament right like this
15973s	is this is peak hearthstone
15975s	battlegrounds right now
15977s	it's peak g castle battlegrounds looks
15979s	like this
15981s	this is what it looks like not there not
15984s	don't look at the board look at the
15985s	bottom left in the webcam that is what
15988s	peak hearthstone battlegrounds
15990s	performance looks like ignore all this
15992s	stuff on the board that's irrelevant
15993s	forget about what is it
15996s	he's popping off it's got golden now
15999s	that's all part of the plan that's why
16000s	you have the high mains
16002s	it's just a beast comp
16005s	in disguise
16007s	oh the value trade that's a disgusting
16010s	value okay attack order attack order the
16012s	tank goes okay
16013s	damage gone
16015s	the tank goes no shot oh no there's a
16017s	shot there's a real shot there's no shot
16020s	oh so
16022s	close yeah
16025s	but look at the damage reduction here
16026s	he's just still alive i know it's insane
16031s	i do agree even though we're laughing
16033s	and joking i completely agree i think
16034s	all dragons just ticking every single
16038s	box right now look at this mess but it's
16040s	a mess that's top four subtle
16043s	yeah and it's just it's competitive
16044s	mindset it's a competitive exhibition is
16046s	what it is and you can be
16048s	as good a battlegrounds player as it is
16051s	possible to be right
16053s	but you still have to adapt your mindset
16056s	to the particular requirements of
16058s	winning tournaments which is different
16060s	from just make number go higher which is
16062s	the goal of playing on ladder and all
16065s	dragon has done exactly that i think
16067s	he's played fantastic
16069s	and it's weird to be looking at this
16071s	board and just going yep
16077s	that's exactly what's happened yep
16079s	and i think that's something more people
16081s	will get to see there have of course
16083s	been a ton of especially
16085s	community-driven competitive hearthstone
16087s	tournaments right uh it could be
16088s	battlegrounds obviously i'm talking
16090s	about but uh the more people get to see
16092s	uh this format um you know especially
16095s	through lobby legends the more people
16097s	will realize as usual and as we well
16100s	know in standard there's a big
16102s	difference between ladder play and
16103s	tournament play and they said it's a not
16105s	a completely different set of skills but
16108s	an extra set of skills you need if
16110s	you're gonna compete
16115s	this afk did not really pan out in the
16119s	direction you might have expected since
16121s	uh got the siren start
16124s	has not found the way into the atheists
16126s	and orgasms that you would like in this
16128s	spot and is really just kind of more
16130s	into poison scam right now than he is
16133s	into straight up naga
16137s	and honestly i don't know who's gonna
16139s	win
16141s	i'm just staring like well you know what
16143s	one board has bigger numbers but the
16145s	other board has a snake
16149s	who would win this entire army of
16151s	numbers or one snakey boy
16156s	now of course the uh the can goes on
16159s	the side of all dragon i will get at
16162s	least someone done right
16164s	i don't think he'll even need to i think
16166s	it might be over by the time it gets
16168s	through all this yep gg
16172s	oh
16173s	all dragon listened to the start of the
16176s	day when someone's like
16178s	other other comps just don't work they
16180s	just don't work they fail although it's
16182s	like nice
16184s	misrepresentation all i've been saying
16186s	all day is that the reason why naga's
16189s	are entirely uncontested is that we
16190s	don't have gas coiler in the lobby
16193s	that's exactly ghost coiler the best
16195s	story song it's a no it isn't the truth
16199s	is always the best story raven come on
16203s	what a game a win there so far or a
16207s	fight win should i say a game a win
16210s	why gamer win
16213s	and that's put all dragon to second
16215s	place
16217s	absolutely huge
16219s	let's go okay
16221s	again
16222s	what i did say what i absolutely did say
16226s	is that this board was never going to
16229s	win the lobby right that that you can
16231s	call me up on if it happens
16234s	uh we will just uh if we could have one
16236s	transition back to the other player here
16238s	i believe we have switched too quickly
16240s	there we go there we go
16242s	gets a little bit confused with the the
16244s	camera and the board if we uh switch
16245s	back and forth too quickly but that is
16247s	all fine we are good now
16249s	oh this is a lot of stats though isn't
16251s	it but then again we thought there was a
16252s	lot of stats in the last fight so and we
16254s	were
16255s	proven
16257s	we only needed to be here to fix it now
16259s	we can go back to or dragon who is
16260s	infinitely more interesting yes thank
16262s	you
16264s	more interesting he's got about 12 stats
16266s	on the board and not doing anything else
16268s	not moving we're staying here this is
16270s	the nuts
16271s	[Laughter]
16274s	look we've seen the nagas do the naga
16277s	thing all day okay they're buying and
16279s	selling spells they're gonna end on a
16281s	poison minion something or other it's
16283s	all fight yet look wow incredible we
16285s	haven't seen this yet incredible scenes
16290s	it's actually is important because of
16293s	the uh
16295s	faux reaper right
16298s	look how big the numbers are
16301s	any of this matters come on
16306s	you mean that does any of it matter
16307s	because there's snakes on the other side
16309s	of the ball exactly
16311s	leroy's or no leroy's that's the entire
16314s	dynamic
16315s	also the snakes have been defended from
16317s	the reaper cleave anyway
16322s	okay beast comp it's coming together
16326s	oh that second gas coil is getting big
16329s	20 more of those dogs and it might be as
16332s	big as one of the opposing minions look
16334s	there's two mecca dinosaurs here now
16340s	all right
16342s	four more leroys
16343s	it's coming
16344s	yeah
16346s	we might have come to tomorrow's time uh
16350s	while we continue this fight
16351s	perfect for leroy's easy for leroy's no
16355s	okay
16356s	these comps still up
16358s	there's no beasts left what i'm staring
16360s	at two
16362s	no i mean there's no beast to receive
16364s	the benefit of said beasts
16367s	two dogs one dies receives the puff
16371s	uh great attempt and honestly
16374s	close one actually even though all
16377s	dragon loses this fight i think he
16380s	really wins the game at this point very
16382s	very well played indeed and of course a
16384s	huge shout out to uh dappy there who won
16387s	the lobby playing scabs
16389s	won the lobby i think very cleanly 29
16392s	health was never really in question from
16394s	what would you say like just that just
16396s	past the mid point of the game i felt it
16398s	wasn't really in question uh whether
16400s	dappy was going to win scabs
16403s	actually very powerful indeed and he hit
16405s	well early on to you know get the ball
16408s	rolling hence the sheer volume of
16410s	numbers on the screen there on his side
16411s	of the board so big win there and 17.5
16415s	points for all dragon
16417s	incredibly impressive and look at the
16420s	gap there and max slips in with just
16424s	nine points basically six points so six
16427s	and a half points behind third place and
16429s	he still gets in uh huff should be
16432s	feeling very very fortunate right now
16435s	but look at those top three subtle what
16438s	a set of scores
16439s	yeah really really dominant and
16442s	particularly i know we've given him all
16444s	the praise in the world but with one
16446s	more time uh all dragon wins lobby b
16449s	overall yes i believe the first game was
16451s	naga but lobby two uh and lobby three
16455s	were just stuff like they weren't even
16457s	really comps by the end of the game it
16459s	was just stats and stuff it was poison
16462s	scam in game two and then it was just uh
16464s	grebel death rows in in game three and
16467s	with that combination of stuff while
16469s	everyone else has gone unbeatable naga
16472s	he's won the lobby and he's going
16473s	through in first place now two tomorrow
16475s	that is a brilliant performance from all
16477s	dragon but yeah take nothing away from
16479s	wednesday from dappy and from max who
16481s	have also found their way through very
16483s	very strong performances from them as
16485s	well but i do think
16487s	we ended the game we ended the day i
16489s	should say on a high and i think it goes
16491s	to show kind of what i've been saying is
16493s	that the beast being in do just add an
16497s	extra dynamic to proceedings right it
16499s	opens this up that we saw it opens up
16501s	the shutter walk lines that are you know
16503s	people at players have to turn down
16504s	shadow walk multiple times because the
16506s	lack of beast being available same thing
16508s	with jandice if jandis becomes available
16510s	same thing with leapers if leapers
16512s	because i'm joking um
16515s	it does create different options and i
16518s	think you saw multiple players trying to
16520s	seize upon those options with varying
16522s	degrees of success
16525s	the screenshot you showed me i think
16526s	yesterday of your uh one hydra carry
16530s	comp uh which was reasonable as well
16533s	that did some work but i completely
16535s	agree i think highlight for me
16536s	definitely all dragon playing the game
16538s	as it should be played in this format
16541s	right very strong understanding and uh
16544s	you know backing it up there's one thing
16546s	to say okay i'm gonna go for this
16547s	because it it might help me survive long
16550s	enough to gain enough points but pulling
16552s	it off as well and knowing exactly what
16554s	to go for great understanding of the
16556s	game in a relatively short amount of
16558s	time because of course and no new player
16560s	to battlegrounds but new player as is
16562s	everyone to this patch in this matter
16564s	yeah and certainly that was the big
16566s	question coming into this right and
16569s	certainly as i said i've watched a lot
16570s	of beaufort streaming prepping for this
16573s	tournament um and he spent kind of two
16576s	whole days just like okay i'm not going
16579s	to force naga right i'm going to do
16581s	everything else with the quest to find
16585s	plan b's for lobby legends because
16587s	that's much more important than just
16589s	knowing well if i hit naga i win the
16591s	game right he then on the final day just
16594s	went back to just okay if i hit naga
16595s	we'll play naga and i'll work on like
16597s	optimizing what the naga board looks
16599s	like which i thought again was a really
16600s	healthy balanced way to break it down
16602s	because it is more important to find
16604s	those plan b's than it is to just work
16606s	out what to do when you hear as evidence
16608s	there by all dragon doing it incredibly
16610s	well in game two and game three and
16613s	taking down first place in lobby b
16615s	um as a reward for his efforts again
16618s	what a fantastic performance yeah really
16620s	really strong performance overall and a
16622s	good performance from all our players
16624s	honestly uh of course uh eight of them
16626s	get knocked out we have eight now ready
16629s	for tomorrow where the format is going
16631s	to change it's not gonna just be three
16633s	games we're not going to be over in an
16634s	hour or so it's going to be a then a new
16637s	format not new to us but there may be
16639s	new to you watching it's going to be the
16641s	check format which changes everything do
16644s	i just give us a very very brief
16645s	breakdown of check obviously we'll talk
16647s	a lot more about it tomorrow yeah so in
16649s	order for the tournament to kind of
16651s	always end on a high which is sometimes
16653s	difficult with kind of points based
16654s	systems right like sometimes if it was
16656s	just purely first player to 30 points
16659s	wins you might finish seventh and then
16662s	win the tournament on that last game
16663s	which can feel a little anticlimactic
16665s	right so it's going to address that
16666s	issue check format is a format where a
16668s	certain threshold of points is set and
16671s	then once you pass that threshold of
16673s	points you are then essentially allowed
16675s	to win the tournament you have to reach
16676s	that threshold of points first you're
16678s	then eligible to win the tournament
16680s	which we call putting the lobby in check
16681s	but from that point the first player who
16684s	has the lobby in check to win a game
16688s	then also wins the tournament which
16690s	means no matter what the person who wins
16692s	the tournament goes out on a high we saw
16694s	be nice do that incredibly quickly i
16697s	think
16698s	one game above the minimum number that's
16701s	possible in the previous tournament um
16703s	so you know the way it seems to have
16705s	panned out i would imagine that we go
16707s	like the full 14 games or something
16709s	tomorrow with the maximum spread out
16711s	going through
16713s	so uh i think overall it should be very
16715s	very interesting uh check format i know
16718s	it kind of cut the day short in the
16720s	previous lobby legends but i'm hoping
16721s	for a bit more of a tussle bit more back
16724s	back and forth a bit more multi-check
16726s	situation this time around and we'll see
16728s	how it plays out yeah really interesting
16729s	as well because it can and just does
16732s	vary up the way the game is played once
16734s	those players start to put the lobby in
16736s	check right because they're going for
16738s	first no matter what because anything
16740s	else simply does not matter just looking
16742s	out now we get to check out our top
16744s	eight players here and honestly i've
16746s	been impressed with all of them so far i
16748s	think max especially has done a good job
16750s	of like you know even though he didn't
16752s	finish uh high on points he did a good
16754s	enough job to like hang on in certain
16756s	situations right like we've talked about
16758s	if you don't hit the big stuff just
16761s	hanging on to grab one extra point here
16763s	and there uh it was impactful only
16764s	making it to that top eight cut but
16766s	overall my eyes are definitely uh
16768s	looking at all dragon uh sulking as well
16771s	um
16772s	and uh and 602 and see if he uh had a
16775s	rough start to the day but made it
16777s	through that's all that matters
16779s	yeah uh really really stacked looking
16781s	final lobby um both in terms of players
16784s	who i knew coming into this had
16785s	reputation people had heard of people
16786s	i've seen play people who have had in my
16788s	lobbies
16790s	and but also the newer players who i've
16792s	just been exposed to who also showed
16793s	very impressive understanding of what's
16795s	going on throughout this so extremely
16797s	excited to see how this pans out
16798s	tomorrow
16800s	it should be a fantastic final day
16803s	it really shouldn't you know as we uh
16805s	wrap up today so far just to give you a
16807s	reminder uh we are starting at the same
16809s	time there can be potentially you know x
16811s	amount of uh games tomorrow so make sure
16814s	to tune in but we are gonna in the end
16816s	crown another lobby legends champion i
16820s	really can't wait for it so make sure
16822s	you tune in any final words before we
16824s	finish the day so i finished our very
16825s	early day at 11am for us here in the uk
16828s	yeah 11am time to go to bed and prep for
16831s	tomorrow i guess uh no i'm gonna jam
16833s	some more battlegrounds because as i
16834s	mentioned i'm i'm
16836s	really enjoying the mini game meta that
16838s	we have right now don't expect it to
16840s	last very long you know don't panic the
16843s	the sky is not falling it'll be fine but
16845s	for now just kind of solving the
16847s	equation of how to play in this very
16849s	specific format is very interesting to
16851s	me so i'm having a blast uh hopefully
16853s	you all enjoyed watching it as well uh
16855s	whether you are what choosing to watch
16858s	us and listening to this or if you are
16860s	elsewhere not listening to this
16862s	insult rendering this entire thing
16864s	pointless and you are currently watching
16866s	one of the various co-streamers
16867s	broadcast this instead thank you all for
16869s	watching please continue to support
16871s	competitive battlegrounds if you want to
16873s	see more of this in the future because
16875s	that's just kind of how the world works
16877s	it really is it's been a great day and
16879s	we've got one more day left to crown our
16881s	lobby legends noble garden champion so
16883s	make sure to tune in tomorrow but from
16885s	myself and everyone here we're gonna say
16887s	good bye and we'll see you then
16891s	[Music]
16906s	so
16908s	[Music]
16920s	[Music]
16949s	[Music]
16960s	so
16970s	[Music]
16980s	[Music]
16992s	[Music]
17008s	[Music]
17019s	[Music]
17029s	[Applause]
17035s	is can we get the plants to knock off
17037s	the divine shields that is the dream for
17040s	collins right now
17044s	[Music]
17050s	and the baron is out melissa i think we
17053s	have a champion
17055s	we do
17056s	be nice over here we get to see his
17058s	perspective
17060s	we get to see our first lobby legends
17064s	winner
17076s	[Music]
17108s	foreign
17110s	[Music]
17150s	you

[2022] Lobby Legends - Noblegarden Top 16

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