My time has come.
Changes look great! I love the idea of dropping ult Movespeed quickly if you drop combat while still letting ult go forever.
I'm concerned about the range though. Doesn't this technically put her below 550, since skillshot range is calculated center to center while AA range is calculated edge to edge?
Yup it places her at around the 550 effective range area. Between Kai'Sa and Jhin
If I understand correctly, that means that she essentially gets bursts of MS rather than just constant increasing MS?
Essentially pans out to "ramping MS while hitting people that falls off"
Another round of Zeri changes to bring her back into viability with a (hopefully) healthier pattern.
Main changes that should contribute to improving her healthiness:
To clarify the R, it is still infinite (you can only refresh the buff up to 5s but you can do it repeatedly just like Live)
The change is that the infinite MS stacks only last 1.5s. So essentially whenever you are out of combat, it'll drop back to the baseline 10% MS.
Hopefully we can get new updates to the client this season. I have been waiting for years so the client will remember the Champion sort order. With more than 150 Champs. Having to scroll down to find the one I want to pick or ban; or having to select the sort order to "Favorites" every single time, is just so inefficient.
Hi there this is coming in 12.23!
I think these changes have good potential. I don’t have a problem with making jungle easier, getting more people into the role will probably be good for the game.
Our goal is to make jungle easier to get into and increase the skill floor, but not change the overall skill required to master the role (not that anyone has really mastered the role anyway).
We wanted to move mastery out of unintuitive mechanics that were only satisfying for a small subset of players to mastery that is more clear and satisfying (eg. choosing and optimizing your companion, more champs can jungle, etc.) and we're still keeping some of these optimizations (like camp dragging).
Features like rec jgl paths, displaying leash ranges, etc. aren't intended to allow a Gold player to become Canyon.
didn't really create cool vision plays you could make.
Wait do the walls created block vision?
Yes they do
Question! Do the ARAM terrains appear in Morde's R? I would hate to R someone and then have them just walk through the terrain that was just there a second ago
I will ask our resident QA member to check into it tomorrow.
If you ask me obfuscating key information from players is never fair or good game design. I recently got tricked into picking alistar as the sole frontline damage sponge/initiator for my team only to find out in game he takes 10% increased damage. How was I supposed to know that this sub 50% winrate tank support is not supposed to be played as tank?
He's still supposed to build tank for sure; that's the point. He takes 10% increased damage because his kit is built to be a powerful initiator in 5v5 fights and that is far more accessible in an ARAM situation. I took a peek at his win rate in ARAM, and its been oscillating a half a percent under 50% for several patches now on the tank build. You are supposed to play him as a tank. If you read that he takes an additional 10% damage, and that tells you to NOT play him as a tank, then you're going to have a far worse time in that game then if you just built tank items on him.
Any chance we can get Mastery 6 & 7 tokens added to ARAM? Feels like a missed low hanging fruit and would add to the push for progression-related activities
Mastery tokens are a system handled by a different team, so I can't speak with too much authority. However, best as I can tell, there are two reasons we wouldn't want them in ARAM:
Read moreWould you be willing to consider adjusting/buffing Umbral Glaive in aram and/or consider making an AP and tank Umbral for them to use also (that could possibly be converted into something for those supports in summoner's rift eventually maybe since it's also asked for a lot there...)
Right now, I have won many games against Shaco, Teemo, Jhin, etc in aram by building Umbral Glaive and oneshotting their traps. It's very powerful to the point I've even taken the hit to my build and built it on enchanters, mages, tanks, etc.
The problems with this, however, are that for some champions, losing an item to a glorified trap cleaner item that gives you no stats feels bad. The second problem is, this item is never recommended in any build ever on aram because it's reveal passive only works if you actually trigger a trap, and most people do not realize it's a good counter to trap champions. Even if you try to communicate by typing or pinging umbral glaive and teemo back to ba...
Adding it to rec items seems interesting. I hadn't thought of the glaive angle. I will say that people rarely build utility items in ARAM regardless of how good they are, so I'm dubious that it would make enough movement for people to feel better about traps (ie, umbral exists now but people still don't use it versus teemo/shaco). Item counterplay like this leads to fairly one dimensional outcomes; either you buy it and the trap champs can't do much or you don't and you get overwhelmed by traps (sweeper and grevious wounds are other examples of this). It works but the skill test is very low for very weak outcomes in our opinion.
Either way I'll talk to the team about it. Based on the feedback from this thread it seems like trap champ counterplay is up there in terms of current issues with ARAM. Happy to investigate at the very least.
I think the issue is that there already was an extremely strong choking effect for teams pushing past the first tower/sieging the second, so making that narrow passage an even stronger choke feels redundant. IMO, if the towers are gonna fall over to create terrain, the big holes in the bridge on the right side immediately next to the first tower should get filled in – maybe that's happening? it's hard to tell from the video.
We filled those in. Sorry it wasn't in the article. We did that super early on in the exploration when almost a whole different team was working on this.
I understand what you mean, but i still disagree with how you balance certain champs. Its a hamfisted way to balance a game which has random team comps and skill lvls. Assasins are super unfun to play against just as much as being poked at range is unfun. But just uber buffing assasins so they can one shot anything in their sight with less risk isnt any better.
I think Assassins with huge damage buffs are unfun to play against, but they certainly aren't powerful without them. We did an analysis of the roster, comparing their ARAM win rate and what we believe the win rate would be without the mods by assigning win rate values to 1% of each mod and then back calculating. In ARAM, assassins had something like a 40% AVERAGE win rate if we didn't have any mods on. The goal here is to find ways of making playing them not garbage but not have to give them tools like "one QE kills half their team"
How do the debris interact with vision? Do they stop visions like walls do?
they do!
Nobody wants terrain in aram the random gaps in the bridge are bad enough.
We fixed those, btw.
If the change ends up negative I hope you are more willing to remove it than you guys were with Chem Drake. I can see this change already making the likes of Seraphine and Renata scale even more absurdly than they do now.
Didn't we remove chemdrake after like a month into the year? We only put things in the game we have confidence in, so we want to make sure they have a fair shot. But if something is clearly not working, we will pull it.
I know League players are frequently averse to it, but did you consider having it fall in a few different ways that were determined randomly? I guess there isn't much difference between "Falls to block off the left half of the bridge" and "Falls to block off the right half of the bridge."
I think these changes look fun either way, very excited for them!
there's slight differences that are hard to notice, but if it falls to the left, it leaves a small gap by the brush so you can sneak through it. If it falls to the right, the lane is closed off on that side.
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