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over 5 years ago - /u/Jagex_Weath - Direct link

Originally posted by FourRS

The ICU Team are looking at it and they are getting banned.

I went through my ignore list searching Every.Single.Account on the highscores and removed the ones that were 'removed from highscores'.

The Red Square on the right shows all the accounts that were reported in the past and that currently remain on my ignore list, and I decided to do a larger check today, and well yeah.

They are banning some accounts.

I have no proof these are bots other than the stats and that they're 'camping' Zulrah and I could be wrong for some accounts.

Jagex. You shouldn't have to have your paying customers (playerbase) reporting these bots for you.

Edit: JUST REPORT THEM.
If there was an incentive to reporting them besides having a cleaner game i'm 99% sure you'd see a lot more reports.

90% of the accounts that you're posting here aren't bots. They're gold farmers that have either purchased the account, hijacked it or trained it legitimately to get it ready for farming Zulrah. They don't sell their gold often and (unfortunately) I can't just ban an account for looking like it will probably sell gold at some point. If an account is reaching crazy high amounts of XP, they're likely storing all the wealth up ready to cash out or moving it off the account very discretely to try and avoid being picked up.

We are banning 10's of thousands of bots EVERY DAY (50.4k yesterday) and thousands more manual gold farming accounts on top of that. You're under no obligation to report these bots, or make a Reddit post informing everyone that you've done so. I appreciate if you want to take time out of your day to bring them to our attention but I'd be much happier if you didn't feel obligated to spend a lot of time hopping worlds trying to find them.

I'm very aware that gold farmers at places like Zulrah are a big problem and I'll continue to try and combat them with the very limited technical resources that we currently have available.

over 5 years ago - /u/Jagex_Weath - Direct link

Originally posted by YouDontKnowMyLlFE

50.4k per day. Wow.

Any chance we could get a break down of membership status and activity? Just out of curiosity.

Thank you for your efforts to make OSRS less botted.

I don't have an exact breakdown to hand but the majority will be the F2P 'suicide' bots that get replaced very quickly

over 5 years ago - /u/Jagex_Weath - Direct link

Originally posted by BodaciousRS

When are they moving their wealth?
Once they RWT or move them over to their main, it's obvious isn't it?
Just banhammer then.

If we find evidence of them RWTing their wealth, they will be banned. Moving it to another account isn't conclusive evidence that they're going to RWT it.

over 5 years ago - /u/Jagex_Weath - Direct link

Originally posted by FourRS

Do you feel like perhaps Zulrah's requirements aren't high enough if it's been taken over by gold farmers..?

It would be difficult to find a requirement that a hand played gold farmer wouldn't be willing to do themselves. We could lock it behind some really high level requirement but it seems unfair on legitimate lower level players who would also be prevented from doing the content.

over 5 years ago - /u/Jagex_Weath - Direct link

Originally posted by BodaciousRS

Moving huge amounts of wealth IS RWT right?
Especially when they're not logged in from the same IP,
and have no prior interactions.

It's like they got paid in real life so now they're just gifting their millions.
Seems like a legit enough reason to ban.

They don't work in huge amounts of wealth, they quite often move off less than 10m at a time. Players move this kind of wealth around all the time.

over 5 years ago - /u/Jagex_Weath - Direct link

Originally posted by Lazypole

Hey Weath.

Hope you don’t take this the wrong way, but why do you have very limited technical resources?

The game is no where short of profitable, so its not a money issue, and countering bots and protecting the economy really ought to be top priority, above any update really, the whole game is based around it.

Now of course I understand you can’t just make graphics artists work on anti bot measures, but do you not feel this is an area Jagex could really double down on and insure a more stability.

From what I understand, the engine team have been trying to recruit new staff for a long time but haven't been very successful. Why this is, I don't know the specifics of but there are still a number of positions available.

I'm obviously massively biased but I do agree that it should be a very high priority to improve our anti cheating systems. However, the company does have other priorities and things such as mobile, account security and clan support are also considered to be very high priority.

over 5 years ago - /u/Jagex_Weath - Direct link

Originally posted by BISWHIP

I find it strange that the anti-cheating position is no longer accepting applications as of 8 months ago then?

Acorn moved last year from Anti-cheating to community manager, no replacement or another addition just you and Tyran on 2 games is not enough.

Linkedin, glassdoor and the official jagex page no sign of open positions in anti-cheating anymore.

The anti-cheating team is not part of the engine team. Positions in the anti-cheating team are typically filled internally because it's easier to ensure that candidates are trustworthy.

There are currently 6 mods in the anti-cheating team. Myself and Tyran are full time anti-cheating and the others are auxiliary members, who are split between anti-cheating and support roles.