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| 4s | welcome to this old school runescape |
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| 5s | video I'm mod Sween and today I'll be |
| 7s | asking the developer and designer of the |
| 9s | cabbage lowlands about the upcoming |
| 10s | project so tell us who you are and what |
| 13s | you do mod Kira I was the lead defent |
| 16s | project manager for the project I'm a |
| 20s | dead I'm a Content developer and I was |
| 22s | the lead designer on the project so |
| 24s | could you sell the campus lowlands to me |
| 26s | and everybody watching and as little as |
| 28s | possible elevate the pic style alright |
| 30s | we've got the cad boss lowlands which is |
| 32s | a new map expansion to the western side |
| 34s | of Zaire it's home to a full force of |
| 38s | new continents so much new content to be |
| 40s | honest there's two main focuses is |
| 42s | Slayer on the top of the mountain of |
| 44s | Mount Kurama and then you slam us there |
| 46s | for nice layer creatures and it Slayer |
| 47s | Foss we've got the farming guild to the |
| 49s | southwest of that a whole horse of new |
| 51s | crops on existing factors like potato |
| 53s | cacti and snake grass few new patches as |
| 56s | well including grewal redwood trees |
| 57s | there's two new quests which link in |
| 60s | there to the rest of to the caboose |
| 62s | lowlands and we got a new fishing and |
| 64s | Thunder training method as well the name |
| 66s | just a bit plastic crowing horrible Demi |
| 69s | boss new chief of diary yeah |
| 72s | loss there's so much I don't even |
| 74s | mention that stuff yeah yeah alright so |
| 77s | that's a lot of stuff when we pulled the |
| 79s | cable slogans we asked the players to |
| 81s | vote 144 questions that's 44 questions |
| 84s | shaping what content how much content |
| 85s | how it's gonna be |
| 87s | were you surprised when all 44 of those |
| 90s | questions passed the poll players wanted |
| 92s | in game was there any panic no-one's |
| 94s | ever voted on that most content before |
| 95s | we want to release it in January that's |
| 97s | only three months away what was react |
| 99s | what's teens reaction to everything |
| 101s | passing they were joyous all the way it |
| 103s | was a he was a first time when it comes |
| 106s | to a big update that every single |
| 108s | questions past but if that said like we |
| 111s | have been doing better each time like |
| 112s | Dragon Slayer two got pretty close so |
| 114s | did theater of blood so we were hoping |
| 117s | that most would pass but I don't we were |
| 119s | quite expecting all of them oh yeah it's |
| 121s | down to like over the years you have |
| 123s | been running old school for like nearly |
| 125s | six years now to be honest |
| 127s | and we've got better a better over time |
| 129s | at understanding exactly what the |
| 130s | community wants listening to the |
| 131s | community I'm a big deal work good that |
| 134s | was like the xmod II's that for this |
| 137s | because he ensured that he took the |
| 139s | community's view on board when we were |
| 141s | actually going and writing that |
| 141s | developer blog and distributing from the |
| 143s | ideas that we originally had to what |
| 146s | were actually going to pour an offer so |
| 148s | change the process as well which is more |
| 151s | community direction before the poll |
| 153s | begins previously we've kind of done |
| 155s | that afterwards but if we plug it |
| 156s | offsets them if we were to pull |
| 158s | everything we came up with we had almost |
| 160s | certainly had a load of failed ideas |
| 161s | right the original design meetings we |
| 164s | had we're just throwing different ideas |
| 166s | about and they were all sort of filtered |
| 168s | through that little we think this is a |
| 170s | good idea and then would the community |
| 173s | also think it's a good idea sort of |
| 174s | thing but yeah it's working and I hope |
| 177s | you make sure that that carries on with |
| 179s | the lecture budget we work on as well so |
| 182s | in January 2016 we release there at the |
| 184s | time and release had its fair share of |
| 186s | criticism how would you compare Zayin |
| 188s | now to then on launch I'd like to think |
| 190s | that we're we have improved things a |
| 193s | little bit but maybe we're just biased |
| 194s | like both of prior to this update and |
| 198s | with this update where we've had it did |
| 200s | so many things that players and asked |
| 202s | for following the launch like back in |
| 206s | 2016 itself I CAFTA we had the feedback |
| 209s | on there have a mapping look don't see |
| 211s | mod West it'd be a full Riga Hobbit and |
| 214s | he's actually looking to do some further |
| 215s | work with the Sidious rework but we've |
| 218s | put a blog out for and we've done |
| 220s | various other things in the leader |
| 222s | festival like we released more quests a |
| 223s | excited something that players really |
| 224s | asked for and those are all things that |
| 227s | we're trying to do more with the Calais |
| 229s | owns itself like it's a big start like |
| 231s | we've got two quests launching with this |
| 232s | I mean we didn't have when we first |
| 234s | really say yeah so that should hopefully |
| 235s | like help to alienate a lot of those |
| 238s | concerns like we're taking a step back |
| 240s | away from like a favor system is in |
| 241s | there in a couple of places but nowhere |
| 243s | near as prevalent because we know |
| 244s | players weren't a fan of it and |
| 246s | basically just a lot more content as |
| 248s | well like as Keira much doing there's so |
| 251s | many things coming with the chaos |
| 252s | lowlands but were there when there's a |
| 255s | first launch just really hell |
| 256s | make it feel like a full update |
| 259s | basically not just the first batch of |
| 262s | one as I the highlight like the mapping |
| 264s | was one of the biggest problems that we |
| 266s | have look to address we know it's too |
| 268s | spread out and it's it's too spacious |
| 270s | for what content it actually offers I |
| 272s | think one of the biggest differences |
| 274s | you'll see with the cab off lower lines |
| 275s | is like we firstly we've spent three |
| 277s | months on cameras lower ones compared |
| 279s | them more like less than two months that |
| 280s | we spent on the original Korean launch |
| 282s | and chemical ones that look small |
| 285s | compared on the map but the amount of |
| 286s | content in that small area is so much |
| 288s | more so with a couple slowdowns with |
| 291s | releasing terrible fishing which allows |
| 292s | you to gain XP in two skills just |
| 295s | fishing a hunter at the same time this |
| 297s | kind of follows what released on fossil |
| 298s | Island which was the swimming activity |
| 300s | which larger to get the chilla T and |
| 302s | feeling at speed is it a coincidence |
| 303s | nope we're seeing more activities that |
| 305s | offer lower XP rates of plotting on the |
| 307s | skills or is it part of a concentrated |
| 310s | effort to not upset the best XP race but |
| 314s | instead offer lower more skills I don't |
| 317s | think it's the most I offers there's a |
| 318s | different niche to a pro it's like oh |
| 320s | who do like just share different skills |
| 322s | at the same time but it's not a |
| 324s | concerted effort for us to stop moving |
| 326s | in that direction I think with this one |
| 328s | it just felt natural given that |
| 330s | essentially the original concept was |
| 332s | falconry for fishing in essence and |
| 335s | we've took that concept and made it make |
| 337s | something as advanced on from that and |
| 339s | trying to make it fit by fishing and be |
| 341s | a lot more enjoyable than falconry is up |
| 344s | to play but yeah giving you using a bird |
| 347s | to hunt fish if I'm naturally give some |
| 349s | hundred XP obviously was also a fishing |
| 351s | it to every week so it was just some |
| 353s | natural things so the cable slowly |
| 355s | learns brings a bit more accessible |
| 356s | content the larger updates and years |
| 358s | before so I think Dragon's Lair quite |
| 360s | exclusive requirements Inferno be very |
| 363s | good theater of blood |
| 364s | equally had to be very good so |
| 365s | accessible content we've got lower tiers |
| 368s | of farming guilds of people lower skills |
| 370s | can enter dragon equipment which just |
| 373s | has 60 attack appointment attached to it |
| 375s | is this accessibility again a |
| 377s | concentrated effort is it coincidence |
| 379s | have we learned from exclusive content I |
| 382s | think it's important that the content |
| 385s | has the appropriate requirements for |
| 387s | that piece of content I don't think any |
| 389s | work |
| 390s | on the argument saying we should make |
| 391s | the inferno accessible it's literally |
| 393s | designed to be this endgame challenge |
| 395s | that's the sequel to the fight games |
| 397s | right it has to be that and you can see |
| 399s | the fate of a blood trail it's a |
| 400s | high-level raids and the endgame |
| 402s | experience it warrants being that |
| 404s | challenging piece of content they come |
| 406s | off lowlands it's a land mass it's gonna |
| 409s | be accessible to everyone |
| 410s | anyone can walk there so there should be |
| 412s | content that you know suits being that |
| 414s | there's not there's nothing stopping us |
| 416s | putting it a new raiding dungeon on |
| 418s | cables we really wanted to we've got |
| 420s | James about there already but it's |
| 422s | important that offers that variety and |
| 424s | fit since it's part of the game now as |
| 427s | you mentioned like Slayer blood and info |
| 430s | of the high level PC content we did |
| 431s | Dragon Slayer in the past of course |
| 434s | another element is without big updates |
| 436s | we do want to appeal like there's such |
| 439s | marketable pieces of pieces of content |
| 441s | that you want them to be able to appeal |
| 443s | for new players and certainly bringing |
| 445s | back old players who use the flavors get |
| 447s | back in the day if you're telling them |
| 449s | to come and play theater or blood that's |
| 450s | that's quite a hard you know you're |
| 453s | gonna have to play for a long time |
| 454s | before you really get to that level so |
| 456s | there is definitely benefits to doing |
| 458s | some more accessible stuff as well and |
| 459s | it's about I think it's about getting |
| 460s | the balance right |
| 461s | we sue all players with the recent |
| 463s | release of mobile we've got a lot of new |
| 465s | players in the game again and it made |
| 466s | sense that the first big update |
| 468s | afterwards had a bit more of a focus on |
| 470s | that group of players and maybe the last |
| 472s | few updates have but there's definitely |
| 473s | still Lions high-end stuff in there as |
| 475s | Oh like some of the highest level Slayer |
| 477s | monster you can find the hydras so like |
| 480s | here and said we're trying to go for a |
| 481s | big range which makes sense for cameras |
| 483s | because unlike Infernus that's just a |
| 485s | self send a mini game it's a big wide |
| 487s | area of lots of things to do so it makes |
| 489s | sense to have a wider appeal as well |
| 491s | with it I think you know that I mean |
| 493s | realistically a new player could have a |
| 496s | few weeks of effort in game and be able |
| 498s | to access like the lower levels of |
| 500s | aerial fishing the lower level tier of |
| 502s | farming so much stuff it's ridiculous |
| 504s | like I know even three months and you |
| 506s | mentioned earlier like how much we've |
| 508s | managed to get done at that time |
| 509s | it is honestly crazy looking back now |
| 511s | and the amount of different stuff there |
| 512s | I'm just hoping it's like this genuinely |
| 514s | I hope there's something fair for |
| 515s | everyone I mean you might met me saying |
| 518s | we located a PvP that well but there's |
| 519s | news of war there's gonna be new stuff |
| 520s | you can actually go and take into the |
| 522s | world and there |
| 522s | I use it when he was here having |
| 525s | suggestions for the world wars he wanted |
| 527s | the ring particular to appeal to be ups |
| 528s | and yes tough |
| 530s | we got dragging them Derek and I night |
| 533s | as well which I know are quite powerful |
| 536s | yeah so it's not just new bosses and new |
| 539s | creatures lots of new rewards as well a |
| 541s | dragon hunter Lance the about boots |
| 544s | brimstone ring name just a few none of |
| 546s | these are really best in slot they have |
| 548s | more of a niche purpose is this part of |
| 551s | a conscious effort to introduce Tanishq |
| 552s | items rather than best in slot again is |
| 555s | it coincidence that we're doing that and |
| 557s | has there been any learnings from |
| 558s | previous niche equipment like the prime |
| 560s | on scepter and just ashes armors which |
| 562s | has a fair bit of questions would be a |
| 564s | bit useless |
| 565s | I think offering niche stuff does allow |
| 569s | us to add a lot of new content of the |
| 571s | game new reward items without really |
| 573s | pushing the high level we know players |
| 575s | really do care about not power tipping |
| 578s | the game too much I think over the years |
| 580s | we've got it about right there's been |
| 582s | certain things that have to be powerful |
| 584s | of course we all know that and there's |
| 585s | certain things that are useless as you |
| 587s | as you mentioned as well and that is |
| 589s | definitely one of the biggest problems |
| 590s | when it comes to adding initiative we |
| 591s | need to make sure it does you know as it |
| 593s | says has a niche I mean as much as the |
| 596s | justice your armor has an effect it's |
| 598s | not mean it's not useful enough or I'm |
| 600s | again but of course we learn there and |
| 603s | when we're coming up with different |
| 604s | things about the dragon and Islands |
| 606s | we're trying to make sure yes there are |
| 608s | places in being where we expect people |
| 609s | were going useless so be to new quests |
| 613s | that are being introduced we've |
| 614s | established that they're novice level |
| 615s | they're accessible how do you see the |
| 617s | story unfolding from there onwards how |
| 619s | many more quests |
| 620s | what kind of story lines you want to |
| 621s | take it on so these two quests are the |
| 624s | last two house quests so with our launch |
| 627s | on a quest for each of a five houses on |
| 629s | her end which means that we now have a |
| 632s | really nice set of foundations basically |
| 634s | to build a proper storyline on so |
| 636s | hopefully it all goes well moving |
| 640s | forward from this we can look to see |
| 642s | quests ramping up in difficulty and more |
| 644s | story coming in and whatnot |
| 646s | across of kren and chaos |
| 650s | and spoilers is the way you'd like to |
| 652s | take the storyline at the end no |
| 655s | spoilers but the five house quests |
| 658s | although they're not living but not |
| 661s | obviously I in Toledo meet your they all |
| 663s | have their own little hints as to what's |
| 665s | to come they will all combined into one |
| 667s | bigger storyline so there's plenty of |
| 668s | hints there for anyone who is interested |
| 670s | who might be able to work out what's |
| 672s | coming next it goes |
| 676s | I've heard some that John scene used to |
| 679s | be quite heavily involved in the quest |
| 680s | waiting for say if I remember rightly |
| 682s | and have you kind of assumed that |
| 683s | Mansell now that he's a mobile pretty |
| 686s | much yeah like like the one of the house |
| 691s | was for she's in one tale of a righteous |
| 693s | fell was developed by myself and care |
| 696s | and based on an idea from John he wrote |
| 698s | a lot of the initial law for Zarek and |
| 701s | chambers is Eric and I've sort of taken |
| 705s | about taking what he wrote and worked |
| 706s | with mod West to add a bit more to it to |
| 708s | create a rough plan for where we want to |
| 711s | go in the future |
| 712s | so we touched on the alchemical Hydra |
| 715s | slightly earlier that's the new Slayer |
| 716s | boss crying 95 slated kill any play |
| 719s | wanna know what do you keep in mind when |
| 721s | designing the boss design inks mechanics |
| 723s | are just so many bosses now it's it gets |
| 726s | harder and harder sometimes I think well |
| 729s | how can I make this boss different but I |
| 731s | think the most important thing is that |
| 733s | the boss aligns up for where it needs to |
| 734s | fit it's got a suit it's level |
| 737s | requirements and how it's gonna be |
| 738s | played so this is a Slayer boss which |
| 741s | means you're going to need to go and |
| 743s | kill a lot of them right you're gonna |
| 745s | need if you get boss tasks it's not so |
| 747s | many way if you get a like an actual |
| 748s | time task you might be killing up to two |
| 750s | hundred of them so it it can't be like a |
| 752s | 15 minute 20 minutes salak of a boss |
| 754s | fight so it would be then comparable to |
| 755s | doing broadcast on a blue dragon target |
| 757s | envoy potentially it's got a lineup |
| 758s | morph like what Cerberus offers and |
| 760s | Kraken etc right and so it's not saying |
| 764s | out to be the most challenging bossfight |
| 765s | so the mechanics need to be quite |
| 768s | obvious so you see that boss doing |
| 771s | something you need to know pretty |
| 773s | instinctively this is how I'm going to |
| 774s | have to do off this mechanic and so over |
| 776s | maybe just fighting it a few times you |
| 778s | should expected oh I'll learn like |
| 779s | roughly how to avoid its mechanics and |
| 781s | honestly I |
| 782s | yet and then obviously over time you'll |
| 784s | get them you get better and better at |
| 785s | fighting it yeah but in terms of |
| 789s | mechanics like there's a few general |
| 792s | things I try to follow in that a boss |
| 795s | fight needs to have progression if it's |
| 798s | going to be quite a high level boss so |
| 800s | it's multiple phases for example so and |
| 803s | doing that you don't expect it to get |
| 805s | easier the boss tried to get harder and |
| 807s | I think you see in various other games |
| 808s | and perhaps in runescape and different |
| 810s | boss fights as well we're all supposed |
| 813s | to get the museum overtime because you |
| 814s | stopped taking out its heads or you |
| 815s | start thinking oh it's mechanics now |
| 817s | obviously another mega Hydra you've |
| 819s | already seen it loses its heads as you |
| 821s | fight it and so we had to be very |
| 823s | careful to make sure that actually it |
| 825s | still has progression in the right |
| 827s | direction and that you don't just as |
| 829s | long as you get through the first phase |
| 830s | then it's not so becoming easier and was |
| 832s | it feels completely wrong the other |
| 834s | thing is if you're asking the political |
| 836s | track of different things you can only |
| 838s | reasonably get them to keep track of a |
| 839s | little bit of the two or three things |
| 842s | otherwise it gets ridiculous you can't |
| 844s | really keep track of it but also the |
| 847s | player needs to feel rewarded if you do |
| 849s | something right you need to get a |
| 851s | benefit for doing so if the player gets |
| 854s | punished it needs to be because they've |
| 855s | screwed something up otherwise it feels |
| 857s | unfair I think that's that's really |
| 860s | important for all boss fights ok so a |
| 862s | good summary would be that it's engaging |
| 865s | enough to want you to kill it over 100 |
| 867s | times on task yeah but difficult enough |
| 869s | to warrant it's 95 slay requirement as |
| 872s | though it's bouncing up with so many |
| 873s | different things yeah I can develop like |
| 877s | the outcome like a hider quite quickly |
| 878s | it's so much of the time actually just |
| 880s | goes into playing it prototyping it and |
| 882s | try this mechanic it doesn't quite work |
| 884s | let's change this face as well back and |
| 887s | forth |
| 887s | I brought play testers and they tend to |
| 889s | be it's always incredibly invaluable and |
| 892s | the core thing is seeing new people who |
| 895s | have not been exposed to the boss at all |
| 897s | yeah get to play it and see how they |
| 899s | actually respond is it as I imagined |
| 902s | like you play this mechanic are they |
| 904s | going to know what to do it's so hard |
| 906s | for me to judge that because I've |
| 907s | written the mechanic I already know how |
| 909s | did you judge it how did you judge it |
| 911s | was it was their reaction what you |
| 912s | expected |
| 913s | I think we got it about right no there's |
| 916s | a few tweaks we had to make and we've |
| 917s | made since but nothing massively |
| 920s | substantial so most of them all seem to |
| 922s | love the fight and I think we've got it |
| 924s | about right yeah when we spoke earlier |
| 926s | about polling the cameras Leyland's we |
| 927s | talked about how much work we did with |
| 929s | the community before the poll went live |
| 931s | and even after the poll but how much of |
| 933s | the content itself was shaped by the |
| 934s | community what ideas they have that |
| 936s | we've implemented was a huge amount for |
| 939s | this one that's been shaped by the |
| 940s | community like I think a really big one |
| 942s | is the the farming guild so we were |
| 945s | putting together the design for the |
| 947s | farming girl back in like late 2017 and |
| 951s | it just so happened but just as we were |
| 953s | like halfway through the design press |
| 955s | that there was a huge suggestion |
| 956s | appeared for a farming guild so we took |
| 960s | a lot of ideas from about when finishing |
| 962s | off that design and so a huge amount of |
| 965s | farming guild has been like driven by |
| 967s | player feedback and playa suggestions |
| 969s | but obviously that was the player |
| 971s | suggestions three days prior so I was |
| 973s | pitching in a room class yeah I mean the |
| 975s | similarities are ridiculous it's a bit |
| 977s | of validation ready to pitch it Rufus |
| 980s | and suddenly this design appeared had a |
| 983s | huge amount of support or like oh okay |
| 986s | it was good it was good to see that we |
| 989s | were very much in line of all community |
| 991s | wanted but the same time so like now I'm |
| 993s | gonna try include some of that stuff |
| 994s | into our design as well not just the |
| 997s | farming guild though there was other |
| 998s | things as well that on chaos that purity |
| 1001s | hadn't put into like we Slayer master |
| 1004s | with area cific tasks that's an idea |
| 1006s | even bouncing on the community for ages |
| 1008s | and we found his side to use it for care |
| 1009s | boss so we're not spoke about yet so the |
| 1011s | slow master will assign you to kill |
| 1013s | monsters as a neo slaying master dies |
| 1014s | but in specific areas yeah rather than |
| 1017s | general throwing |
| 1018s | this wherever you want yeah the idea is |
| 1020s | that it hopefully it brings a bit of |
| 1022s | life back to areas of Britain abandons |
| 1026s | now there's some same on stirs and now |
| 1029s | there's a reason to actually go kill |
| 1030s | them there again so thank you for |
| 1033s | joining me thank you to everybody |
| 1035s | watching and anything you like to take |
| 1037s | place before we go uh just but this is a |
| 1040s | live a huge step for Koran but we're not |
| 1042s | done yet we're still plenty more we want |
| 1044s | to do so as always send your feedback in |
| 1046s | let us know what you like and dislike |
| 1047s | and we'll see what we can do about it |
| 1050s | thank you very much for watching guys |