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0s | we |
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1s | we need like an intro or something for |
3s | this |
4s | it's gonna be weird if you just start |
5s | start talking |
7s | oh |
8s | that's satisfactory |
10s | what an intro |
18s | [Music] |
20s | welcome everybody my name is jace and |
22s | i'm joined here by me snood yeah so |
25s | we're the community managers at coffee |
27s | stain studios and today is our first |
28s | episode episode 001 |
31s | of the official satisfactory podcast so |
33s | welcome aboard yes welcome aboard we're |
35s | very excited to bring this to you yeah |
37s | super excited because this is this is a |
38s | format that we |
39s | kind of wanted to try for a bit because |
41s | we feel like there's a lot of like |
43s | interesting topics to talk about with |
44s | satisfactory |
46s | but it feels like it doesn't really fit |
48s | for the stream or sometimes you know |
50s | making youtube videos quite exhausting |
51s | so like we we felt we wanted to try the |
53s | podcast format a little bit so go so |
55s | like we're looking at maybe going into a |
57s | bit more in depth about the game and the |
58s | mechanics maybe even also talking a |
61s | little bit about community stuff as well |
63s | um yeah we're sort of just feeling it |
64s | out we'll just kind of see how it goes |
65s | we're just gonna go where our hearts |
67s | take us you know and if you're finding |
69s | this on youtube uh check the description |
71s | if you want to download the podcast so |
73s | you can |
74s | listen to it on the go or while you're |
76s | working out or something like that i |
77s | don't know i don't know if youtube's the |
78s | best place to upload it but you know we |
80s | thought we we try it out at least see |
83s | how it goes |
87s | [Music] |
89s | all right so the first thing that i kind |
91s | of wanted to talk a little bit about |
92s | today's snoot is a little bit about |
94s | update 5 and the effect that that has |
95s | had uh on our community right yeah |
98s | essentially you know |
100s | cosmetics was a big thing with update 5 |
101s | and seriously the way that people build |
104s | and what they showcase now in our |
106s | community has just changed there was an |
108s | error before update 5 of how |
110s | satisfactory looked once update 5 |
112s | dropped uh you know things just change |
114s | completely and we we showcase these kind |
116s | of uh builds i mean they're all over our |
118s | socials and in our communities reddit |
120s | and discord etc but we showcase them on |
122s | stream on our community highlight |
124s | sections right yeah uh |
125s | you know people have made a lot of |
126s | interesting stuff yeah it's it's amazing |
128s | it's like when it's so cool seeing like |
130s | people making like eiffel towers and you |
132s | know like they're making artwork with |
134s | pipes and |
136s | cool bridges and like boats and some |
138s | someone even like recreated midgar from |
140s | firefighters yeah |
142s | yeah exactly uh it looked really good it |
144s | looked a little bit more |
146s | you know it felt more like the the |
147s | midgar from the remake more than more |
149s | than anything which was you know kind of |
151s | nice because i really enjoyed the remake |
153s | yeah yeah the remix |
155s | well |
155s | yeah i liked remake i just i wasn't a |
158s | huge fan of what they did with the story |
160s | i mean sorry spoilers if if anyone |
162s | haven't played you didn't like it oh |
164s | well i i thought it was a really good |
166s | game i just like you know the original |
168s | final fantasy is like the better final |
171s | fantasy story if that makes sense yeah i |
173s | mean i i guess i can see that like i |
175s | feel like this may be like a |
178s | i want to say an element of elegance to |
180s | the original story a little bit more but |
182s | i also wonder if the fact that we have |
184s | like played through the whole game and |
186s | finished the story i wonder if that sort |
188s | of helps helps you know give you know it |
190s | gives us the whole picture of what |
192s | happened right |
193s | and in this case we've got like a |
194s | glimpse of like what they intend to do |
196s | so like i don't want to jump on the |
198s | story too much because maybe this |
199s | actually sets up for a really good wrap |
201s | up later down the line maybe and we |
203s | don't really know that yet because we |
204s | haven't got there yet yeah because i i'm |
206s | kind of curious what it would be like to |
207s | play that game when you haven't played |
209s | the original game at all because there's |
211s | so many like elements that you know |
213s | cause because the thing that i really |
215s | like about the first five hands or the |
216s | original fine fantasy seven is like the |
218s | whole setup with midgar and like they |
220s | don't really |
221s | set like |
222s | it's all a setup for like the actual |
224s | story with sephiroth and all that stuff |
226s | and that that whole like it's just a big |
228s | prelude and it's like my favorite part |
230s | of five fantasy seven is the whole start |
232s | in midgar |
234s | and it felt like in the remake they |
236s | wanted to like give you like the end |
238s | sort of you know several shows up and |
240s | all that stuff and |
242s | they were force-feeding the rest of the |
244s | story to us early kind of i guess to |
247s | keep us interested yeah and i guess the |
249s | reunion part too like they kind of like |
250s | kind of they kind of spoiled the reunion |
252s | thing |
253s | too and and like the fact that they |
255s | don't kill off any characters like the |
257s | whole district going down and like it |
259s | was such a like in the original was such |
261s | a big deal and and and the weird ghosts |
263s | and all that stuff like i don't know |
265s | right right but i don't know it's i mean |
267s | i thought it was a really fun game |
268s | overall like the combat mechanics or |
271s | whatever the rehash of it yeah i thought |
273s | it was a lot of fun looked really nice |
275s | it was nice to see a really modern |
276s | version of midgar and stuff like that |
278s | yeah oh my god the music |
280s | geez music was like actually one of the |
282s | things that was very clearly leveled up |
284s | yeah oh my god yeah it was like |
287s | there's been so many like |
288s | covers of fun fantasy seven songs and |
291s | you just feel like they |
293s | totally level up like the the |
295s | the boss fight music |
297s | um when you fight the the robot |
300s | in like the the second reactor like that |
303s | song is 20 minutes long |
305s | the the one that they have in the remake |
307s | and it's just like |
309s | over the top with everything and it's |
310s | just oh it's so well made yeah because i |
313s | was uh i was playing final fantasy 7 |
315s | with a friend of mine who was uh who's |
316s | also a musician and like the one thing |
318s | like every time we get to a new area |
321s | we'd always have to comment on the music |
323s | because it was just like it's it sounds |
325s | so familiar it gives you all yeah it |
327s | invokes all of those feelings that you |
329s | had when you played the original like |
330s | it's nostalgic but it's super modern and |
333s | super good one thing that like really |
336s | kind of like why i'm so kind of mixed |
339s | about it is because all that nostalgia |
341s | is super strong because like seeing all |
343s | these characters in like full res and |
345s | like being voice acted |
347s | um and the amount of detail they put |
348s | into like all the areas and stuff you |
350s | know it's like it's like everything i |
352s | wanted from a remake but then at the |
354s | same time it's like it's a bit different |
355s | and it feels a bit jarring because |
357s | it's kind of like you know when you're a |
359s | kid and like your cool uncle or whatever |
361s | is telling you a story that you've heard |
363s | like a million times and then they |
364s | change it up because they don't want to |
365s | tell the same story yeah that's kind of |
367s | how it feels playing the remake actually |
370s | true like that was the only point i had |
372s | left to say and was that like i think if |
374s | they tried to tell the exact same story |
377s | it might have been a little stale for us |
380s | who have played it already um and so |
382s | like |
383s | i kind of feel like this story was |
385s | something that like it was clear that |
386s | things gonna be a little bit different |
388s | and so when i played the game |
390s | i was aware that you know there might be |
392s | differences coming up and i don't really |
393s | know what's happening even though i |
394s | think i know what's happening because |
395s | i've played the original a bajillion |
397s | times right and so like that was pretty |
399s | nice for me i think um they i think i |
402s | think another reason why they had to |
403s | like shoehorn a lot of like later stuff |
406s | and to try and paint a bigger picture |
407s | than what was painted in the midgar |
409s | section of the first game the original |
411s | game was also because if they're selling |
413s | like a full price game that that quote |
415s | unquote begins and ends |
417s | uh i feel like it would it would be |
420s | a bit of a lackluster ending if as a |
423s | player you felt there wasn't |
425s | more |
426s | to come but then when i think about it |
428s | the end of midgar suggests there's more |
430s | to come |
431s | so |
432s | um yeah |
434s | in the original game anyway is what you |
436s | know so like um yeah yeah i'm not sure |
438s | about that point anymore because because |
439s | it is such a strong moment in the |
442s | original game |
443s | also when like they leave midgar and |
445s | then they go to |
446s | what's the name of that town is it calm |
448s | is it calm yeah it's calm right with a k |
451s | right with a k yeah yeah where like they |
454s | tell the story of sephiroth where like |
457s | they they run into his to to the sword |
460s | that is plunged into to uh |
463s | to shinra and then they're like hold up |
465s | hold up this the old spoilers spoilers |
467s | of a game that came out in 97 or |
469s | whatever |
470s | yeah look |
471s | people there's a lot of games out there |
472s | people still trying to get around to it |
474s | all right yeah for sure |
477s | but |
478s | that's like my favorite part is leading |
480s | into that um where like they tell a |
482s | story as well about like the main |
484s | villain whereas in the remake it's just |
486s | like i'm here and i'm gonna do |
488s | like yeah yeah it's a bit but but |
491s | also i'm not sure what they're going to |
492s | do with like the |
494s | is is is the character gonna like carry |
496s | over because it feels weird that like |
498s | you unlock all the material essentially |
500s | yep and then but this is part one but i |
503s | have like the highest level of like most |
505s | of the material i have in the beginning |
506s | so this was my first concern when i |
509s | finished the game was like you know i |
511s | you know i'm a bit of a completionist i |
513s | got like the platinum trophy and stuff |
514s | for it and i also you know i maxed out |
516s | all the material and i'm like well |
517s | what's gonna happen now yeah when i like |
520s | do i stay strong uh how do they balance |
522s | that um |
524s | do i lose my progress effectively when |
526s | the next game comes out i'm not really |
528s | sure is it gonna be like a metroid thing |
531s | or like at the beginning of the next |
532s | time they're like oh no i lost all the |
534s | materia |
535s | oh no maybe yuffie shows up and just |
537s | takes it all and you're like oh gosh |
539s | darn it we have to start again |
541s | josh darn |
542s | hot dog |
544s | yeah um |
545s | yeah i really don't know so uh i guess |
548s | we'll see i'm i'm curious i'm i'm a bit |
550s | like |
551s | i fee i feel a bit skeptical um but i'm |
554s | also curious |
556s | we'll see what happens i guess yeah i'm |
558s | i'm uh i'm wary because like i think |
562s | final fantasy has made me wary over the |
564s | years uh |
566s | with certain releases and |
568s | uh not really um |
570s | executing things like super great kind |
572s | of dropping the ball in some cases so |
573s | i'm not sure however i do think that |
576s | final fantasy 7 i think i think it lived |
578s | up to my expectations i think uh the |
581s | remake i think it lived up to it |
583s | i think it was a great entry |
584s | um there are some things that i wish |
586s | were different but overall i'm really |
588s | really pleased with what we got and so |
590s | i'm hoping that you know they'll do that |
591s | again next next time yeah but you know |
594s | but i'm kind of cautious because i know |
596s | they could drop the ball i know they can |
599s | uh i don't want them to |
601s | um but |
602s | we'll see what happens i'm very very |
604s | curious i'm glad it's happening though |
605s | like i'm glad even if it comes out and |
607s | it's kind of shitty i'm just glad this |
608s | whole thing is happening because it's |
610s | just interesting one way or the other |
612s | yeah |
613s | it's also like one of the most requested |
615s | like |
616s | games to remake |
618s | since like they did that playstation 3 |
620s | demo |
621s | yeah yeah yeah i remember that that |
624s | thing blew my mind i'm also i'm also |
626s | quite positive like the fact that they |
627s | did it i'm also the thing that i've also |
630s | thought about a lot is that i feel like |
632s | they will make a final fantasy remake |
634s | when like square innings are |
636s | need the money you know what i mean like |
638s | they need to pump out a good like a game |
639s | that they know will sell so that that |
641s | was my main concern when i saw that they |
643s | actually were making a remake is like oh |
645s | is it yeah is it bad like but but |
648s | it looks like they're taking it |
648s | seriously yeah yeah for sure looks like |
650s | they're taking it very seriously it |
652s | looks like uh i don't know if they're |
653s | messing around with this one so |
655s | that's uh that's a really good sign have |
657s | you played the uh what's it called |
660s | in interlude no it's called yeah |
662s | integrate integrate yeah |
664s | yeah yeah i did yeah with your fee yeah |
667s | yeah and i got you know i maxed that as |
669s | well i got i got every achievement and |
671s | then i think there was like a new boss |
672s | introduced into the main game if you get |
674s | that as well |
675s | uh in the uh battle simulator thingy and |
678s | uh |
679s | yeah beat that beat that as well that |
680s | was rough but but got there in the end |
683s | but that tells like also like a made up |
685s | or uh |
687s | it's not it's it's an original storyline |
690s | right |
691s | yeah |
693s | yep |
695s | anyway in this next segment we're going |
696s | to be talking a little bit about alt |
698s | recipes |
701s | [Music] |
704s | uh wickers in |
705s | what are they i didn't get them in final |
707s | fantasy and satisfactory satisfaction |
709s | yeah all right |
710s | yeah yeah yeah so uh yeah all recipes |
713s | are a huge aspect of the game we don't |
715s | really talk too much about the decision |
717s | making behind them |
718s | um so i guess this is a perfect place to |
721s | do that so |
722s | all the recipes are really there for you |
724s | know they're they're there as a |
726s | trade-off for you with the regular |
728s | recipes |
729s | and it's also a little bit of a carrot |
730s | for you to explore the map too to gather |
732s | the hard drives um and also just just in |
735s | case folks don't you know if there's any |
737s | new people out here uh old recipes you |
739s | know in satisfactory you have recipes on |
741s | how to create uh certain parts with with |
744s | your machines and things like that uh |
745s | old recipes are just alternate recipes |
747s | to those that can um you know so you can |
749s | make the same part using different |
751s | materials or make the same part in a |
752s | different machine |
753s | um yeah that's basically what the |
755s | alternate recipes are that we're talking |
757s | about here and there's a few famous ones |
759s | right yeah there's like the diluted fuel |
761s | one it's probably the most famous one |
763s | i'd say because it's it solves the fuel |
765s | generator or it makes a more optimized |
768s | one and you have like steel screws |
770s | because through screw you always need a |
771s | lot of screws |
773s | uh there's like heavy encased frames |
774s | there's a couple of them that are like a |
776s | lot more useful than the uh original |
778s | recipe and you know they're also great |
780s | to handle like byproducts because if you |
782s | take like for instance the illumina |
783s | solution you know you get the |
786s | of of silica and you can use that to |
788s | like make fine concrete for instance |
789s | which is an altruistic yeah yeah where |
791s | you can produce there's no like there's |
792s | no like best thing right it's kind of |
794s | like saying final fantasy 8 is better |
796s | than final fantasy 7 it's like that's |
798s | that's not really the case i mean i |
799s | would say it's the other way around but |
801s | like well you know it's it's divisive |
803s | you know people they're different people |
805s | sure |
806s | uh |
808s | but then again you know people you know |
810s | it is the better final fantasy so people |
811s | can have that opinion and i think it's |
814s | perfectly fine are you in final fantasy |
816s | 8 is better than 7k you know i'm |
819s | all about i fancy eight okay okay all |
822s | right this is this is the crazy uncle on |
824s | facebook right now yeah now i'm coming |
827s | out with this final fantasy 8 take it |
828s | really is like the people that that |
830s | prefer like the people that think fine |
832s | fantasy 8 is like the favorite from |
834s | fancy like |
835s | they're |
836s | we're a strong little community we're |
838s | tight you you you really are crazy uncle |
841s | status on facebook yeah i mean it was it |
843s | was a good game but i just don't |
845s | understand how you would say it's better |
847s | than seven i wouldn't even say it's |
849s | better than 10. i think it's mostly |
851s | because of nostalgia honestly i don't |
852s | think it necessarily is the better game |
855s | overall because i think you know the the |
858s | the magic system in final fantasy 8 is |
859s | kind of broken |
860s | um and and people |
863s | even people that like five fans 8 like |
864s | don't want to admit that but |
866s | it is broken like there's no |
868s | doubt about it yeah i've heard two |
870s | things about the draw system in final |
872s | fantasy 8 one |
873s | either you hate it or or two you don't |
876s | understand how the draw system works and |
877s | then for those people it's broken |
879s | powerfully for them exactly because and |
881s | there's nothing in between |
883s | because there's ways because like you |
885s | can play the whole game without drawing |
886s | a single time in like the combat section |
888s | like you can create magic from from |
890s | items and from like |
892s | uh tools and stuff in the game |
894s | you just need to know that in order to |
896s | do that you have to like learn that |
898s | ability with your guardian force |
901s | and stuff like that like it's it's |
903s | it's overly complicated in that sense |
905s | the one the one thing i like about it is |
907s | the fact that like you can puzzle around |
909s | so like if you wanna like oh i wanna |
910s | have this magic thing and i want a |
912s | hundred of that then in order to get |
914s | that i can either do this thing or i can |
916s | do that thing and like if oh if i use |
918s | this item i can do this thing but then |
920s | if i save it for later i can use it for |
922s | a weapon or you know like it's a little |
924s | bit interesting like puzzle making but |
925s | you can really only do that if you have |
927s | like a guide and know about that system |
930s | oh yeah but it's obviously a better game |
931s | than seven right well i it's a game that |
934s | requires a guide so you can actually |
936s | make use of the system i mean the |
937s | material system in seven is fine and |
939s | intuitive because because here's the |
940s | thing for me like i played final fantasy |
943s | 8 was the game that got me into final |
945s | fantasy at all because i had fun |
947s | fantastic seven and i played it and i |
948s | played like up to the mid-girl section |
950s | and then i kind of like lost interest |
953s | and then |
954s | i picked up five fancy eight |
956s | um and i got more interested in that |
958s | because |
959s | because i went i was an angsty teenager |
961s | and that fit with the main character |
963s | france8 right |
965s | you were the hottest guy in the in the |
966s | school or whatever it |
975s | um so yeah for me it's it's all |
977s | nostalgia like i didn't get it and then |
979s | once i finished eight i was like maybe |
981s | i'll go back to seven and then i loved |
983s | seven and then i played nine and then i |
985s | played ten |
986s | um |
987s | so that's so like one thing that's |
989s | interesting about from seven to twelve |
991s | is how crazy different the battle system |
993s | is so we're talking about like draw |
994s | systems in a you know that was wild and |
997s | different |
998s | material i feel like was pretty |
1000s | different as well compared to i don't |
1001s | know i didn't really see that kind of |
1003s | system anywhere else |
1005s | i guess nine felt a little more |
1006s | straightforward but there were four |
1008s | people in your party yeah nine was more |
1010s | like going back to roots with like the |
1012s | sort of the job system but not really |
1014s | the job system |
1015s | yeah um and then 10 had that like crazy |
1018s | sphere the sphere grid leveling up which |
1020s | i really really i really loved it as |
1023s | well and and like not only was it just |
1025s | good for in first play um they had the |
1028s | two different kinds of sphere grids the |
1029s | basic one and the advanced one uh |
1031s | advancement will give you more options |
1032s | of how you want to specialize as you |
1034s | play but then like at higher level play |
1036s | where you can go and clear nodes and |
1038s | then replace them like farm like plus |
1041s | four strength or whatever as opposed to |
1043s | the weaker plus one strength or whatever |
1045s | um you know and then you could just max |
1046s | out your characters um |
1048s | like that whole like all of that was |
1051s | really fun and interesting and it ties |
1053s | in well with the whole monster hunting |
1054s | as well yeah intense so like yeah i also |
1057s | like that you could like revisit the |
1059s | same notes of other characters so like |
1061s | if you wanted to make yuna a strength |
1063s | build you could do that |
1067s | yeah um but you needed to grind more |
1069s | essentially because you needed to get |
1070s | around the sphere system to get to that |
1072s | point or whatever exactly um but i |
1074s | thought it was really interesting the |
1076s | the then like in 12 they kind of took |
1078s | that system and just made it like even |
1080s | more |
1081s | open i guess yeah yeah it was really |
1083s | good i replayed 12 recently because |
1085s | stefan our ceo right he's a huge final |
1087s | fantasy nerd as well and uh |
1090s | he told me like he replayed 12 and that |
1091s | it was actually really good and then i |
1093s | should check it out you know they've got |
1094s | it on steam or something and um |
1096s | yeah i played it again yeah yeah |
1099s | and i played it again |
1100s | and uh it was it was really good the |
1103s | battle system is great so yeah anyway |
1105s | for those of you who are here to learn |
1106s | about final fantasy battle systems um |
1109s | in 12 is in a way it's almost like you |
1111s | programmed all your ais using these |
1113s | things called gambits and uh you know |
1115s | like if you are low health or teammate |
1118s | is low health then heal them using this |
1119s | spell or uh you know whatever whatever |
1122s | and um |
1123s | so it was really really cool |
1126s | you know programming your your party |
1128s | members and then like tweaking that as |
1130s | you go and then as you unlock more |
1132s | gambits and more conditions and actions |
1134s | um you can sort of build upon that and |
1136s | and create like really good battle |
1138s | styles um i yeah super super good |
1141s | actually and the world in final fantasy |
1143s | 12 was kind of good but that was the |
1146s | beginning that marked the beginning of |
1147s | the shift of how the final fantasies |
1150s | have kind of the direction that it's |
1152s | gone in um |
1153s | into into a world that i don't like as |
1155s | much because like i fell in love with |
1157s | final fantasy in final fantasy 7 where |
1159s | the entire world is in danger and you |
1161s | have to go to all these different places |
1162s | and with all these different cultures |
1164s | and you travel literally the world and |
1166s | in final fantasy 8 you travel the world |
1168s | in nine you travel the world in 10 you |
1170s | travel the world basically you go to all |
1172s | these like really really unique |
1174s | different places but in 12 you kind of |
1176s | just live in one country and everything |
1178s | kind of feels the same |
1180s | and it also has that kind of like more |
1182s | western fantasy feel to it rather than |
1184s | like |
1186s | an entirely new world crafted from |
1188s | scratch from someone's imagination |
1190s | and i feel like with 15 and it appears |
1193s | to be 16 |
1194s | it kind of goes more into that direction |
1196s | as well which doesn't appeal to me as |
1198s | much |
1199s | thematically personally yeah um |
1202s | like i what appeals to me the most of |
1204s | all of them was probably final fantasy |
1206s | 10. |
1207s | really colorful world |
1208s | uh i loved that you know you could see |
1212s | the different cultures out in the world |
1213s | just by the way that people dress you |
1214s | could probably point out this person |
1216s | probably comes from this city buy their |
1218s | clothes by the way they talk the way |
1219s | that people interact the world is really |
1221s | colorful i love that you played as tidus |
1223s | who is essentially a camera lens uh you |
1226s | know he comes from a time where he |
1228s | doesn't understand how this world works |
1230s | with you as the player so you don't know |
1232s | how the world works either so you and |
1234s | the main character are learning together |
1235s | and in fact the main character's not |
1236s | even him it's yuna um so i found that to |
1240s | be really interesting as well and that |
1242s | has not i've not been inspired in that |
1245s | way uh by a game |
1247s | since final fantasy 10 |
1249s | quite honestly i remember how anti five |
1251s | fans of 10 i was when it came out and i |
1253s | can't remember exactly why that was |
1256s | i guess |
1258s | i don't know i think it was a voice |
1259s | acting that just felt off |
1262s | um |
1263s | it's because it was i guess yeah yeah i |
1266s | also feel like because i also replayed |
1267s | it recently and i i |
1269s | i don't know why i didn't like it so |
1271s | much because like it is a very |
1272s | interesting game and like the way they |
1274s | handle racism and like that's kind of |
1276s | stuff which they've pretty much never |
1278s | they've kind of done it before |
1280s | with like in fine fantasy |
1282s | uh wait is it six i think or like |
1285s | there's two different races of people |
1288s | there's like the monster |
1289s | people and like the regular people or |
1291s | whatever sure |
1292s | um and they do kind of thing that but |
1294s | they're that one race is like dead off |
1296s | and they're like legendary whereas here |
1298s | it's like actually like real life kind |
1300s | of like situation there's a racist in |
1302s | your party yeah yeah that too the person |
1304s | from the race that he hates joins your |
1306s | party |
1307s | uh and then they figure that out yeah |
1309s | yeah it's uh |
1311s | and uh i i it's it's a cool like setup |
1313s | with it as well like the main |
1315s | protagonist uh sorry the main antagonist |
1317s | and that game is also an interesting |
1319s | antagonist i'm not talking about seymour |
1321s | i'm talking about sin yeah it it it is |
1323s | interesting seeing like the world |
1326s | uh so sin being this big thing that |
1327s | destroys the world basically every so |
1330s | often or destroys sections of the world |
1332s | every so often and so the the world that |
1334s | they live in is one that can't really be |
1335s | built up |
1336s | yeah and all they do is just damage |
1338s | control all the time which is |
1340s | and and they and they think it's like a |
1342s | religious thing the reason why sin does |
1344s | it it's like because of machines but in |
1346s | actuality it's like |
1348s | wait what is the reason again it's like |
1349s | it's an alien or something like that |
1351s | right spoilers |
1353s | you know what i don't remember i've |
1355s | played this so many times |
1357s | because it's it's explained very very |
1359s | late in the game and it's like yeah it's |
1362s | it's i think it's like an alien that |
1364s | like takes over people's bodies or |
1365s | something like that if i remember |
1367s | correctly because the last boss people |
1369s | have to sacrifice themselves to it yeah |
1371s | and then they become the same yeah |
1373s | it's like the very very last boss in |
1375s | that game it's like a tiny little thing |
1378s | that's just like oh yeah yeah i can't |
1380s | remember |
1381s | um so yeah also spoilers to a w when |
1384s | that game came out 2000 |
1386s | 2000 2003 yeah maybe 2000 or 2002 or |
1389s | something that wasn't one to two uh 2001 |
1392s | yeah wow yeah okay that's great that |
1395s | game is oh my god yeah you ever see |
1397s | those those gifts where it's like what |
1399s | uh what you think games look like 20 |
1401s | years ago and it looks like space |
1403s | invaders and it's like what games |
1404s | actually look like 20 years ago that's |
1406s | final fantasy 10 yeah |
1408s | five fantastic 10 is a retro game like |
1410s | that's also wild or like even |
1412s | playstation 3 games is a retro game i |
1414s | kind of want to touch on because you |
1416s | mentioned that fine fantasy 12's world |
1418s | kind of shifted the the |
1420s | the way because like that game was made |
1422s | by a studio that made vagrant story |
1425s | which is oh yeah you can tell that it's |
1427s | the same devs because the the art style |
1429s | is very similar and like it's very |
1433s | it's it's it's a very interesting take |
1435s | on on the fantasy genre i think but it |
1438s | definitely like when you put it in the |
1439s | fina fantasy world it definitely feels |
1443s | like typical classic fine fancy you know |
1446s | style era yeah i mean it it definitely |
1449s | i think is more in line with the earlier |
1451s | final fantasy yeah exactly kind of |
1453s | style right and and i'm uh i'm a you |
1456s | know i i jumped on board from final |
1457s | fantasy 7 where things got very |
1458s | different yeah |
1460s | but i think i'm i'm more on brand with |
1462s | the final fantasy 7-10 kind of approach |
1465s | to things |
1466s | which i think in a way maybe 13 tried to |
1468s | do honestly but just didn't do it as |
1470s | well yeah 13 was trying to be fine fancy |
1473s | seven you know yeah maybe because like |
1475s | the main character was modeled after |
1477s | cloud really yeah yeah um |
1480s | that was the main inspiration was that |
1481s | it was supposed to be a female cloud |
1483s | or something like that okay um and um |
1487s | that story was just all over the place |
1490s | and it felt like a huge tutorial like |
1492s | half the game yeah it was like 20 20 |
1494s | hours of tutorial or something like that |
1496s | more |
1497s | and it's just one long corridor which is |
1499s | strange because i know a lot of people |
1501s | had that that issue with financing 13 |
1503s | saying that oh it's just this one big |
1504s | card or you know you just run down the |
1506s | hallway but you know when you think |
1507s | about like final fantasy 10 that kind of |
1509s | was too but it didn't feel like it it |
1511s | was there was no open world it was just |
1514s | go forward but it didn't it didn't feel |
1516s | like a card or it didn't i think the the |
1518s | main reason why it didn't feel like a |
1519s | corridor is i think the beats in five to |
1521s | ten were a lot stronger than the ones in |
1523s | 13 because you remember like the |
1525s | the moments like that taking place |
1528s | happens at each city right right yeah |
1529s | exactly i spend time in the city things |
1530s | happen yeah whereas with 13 you were |
1533s | like we're being hunted we gotta run |
1535s | like same deal all like every everywhere |
1538s | yeah it's like oh no they caught us we |
1540s | gotta keep going you know because if i |
1542s | remember correctly there really wasn't a |
1543s | lot of like |
1545s | civilization and stuff in front of ez13 |
1547s | either i think there were but there was |
1549s | some like hidden behind the fact that |
1550s | they were constantly like moving away |
1552s | from them because like there are i |
1554s | remember set pieces i remember like the |
1556s | the casino planet or whatever it was |
1559s | like the casino city i remember the the |
1561s | big like arena city where there were |
1564s | there's some kind of like story line |
1566s | that i can't even remember what it was |
1568s | like it's revealed that unforgettable |
1570s | yeah |
1571s | and they looked cool like yeah so so i |
1574s | remember having the feeling at the time |
1576s | that like didn't see a lot of cities but |
1578s | there were some |
1579s | and in them there wasn't really a lot of |
1581s | people that this is the memory i have of |
1584s | the memory i have you know and and and |
1586s | so like |
1587s | one of the key things about final |
1588s | fantasy that was missing was the culture |
1590s | yeah the world yeah you know like like |
1592s | all the people spread out in city like |
1594s | each city |
1595s | adds to the world building story right |
1597s | the lore of the entire bigger picture |
1599s | and then like |
1600s | each person in that city adds to it a |
1602s | little bit as well you know in in a in a |
1604s | very sort of subtle way and that |
1607s | i remember when i played it a long time |
1609s | ago and i don't remember the game that |
1610s | much anymore but i remember feeling like |
1612s | that was lost completely and that was |
1613s | the most important part of final fantasy |
1615s | for sure that's so true because i when i |
1617s | think back on like all the other |
1619s | games i definitely remember like |
1621s | the culture and like the different |
1623s | type of people you were into and yeah |
1626s | and then 13 you're just running past |
1628s | everything i kind of felt the same in |
1630s | final fantasy 15 too |
1633s | a little bit |
1634s | yeah i mean i think there were |
1637s | quite a few cities and there was a lot |
1638s | of people so i mean but i would kind of |
1641s | say that's kind of why i feel like 15 |
1644s | is was heading in the right direction |
1646s | and maybe like |
1647s | with the technological advances final |
1649s | fantasy just needed to go through |
1650s | puberty a little bit and maybe that's |
1651s | just what's happening and so but i think |
1654s | 15 is was a sign of it coming out the |
1656s | other side because like they did bring |
1658s | culture back there was cities there were |
1659s | people you did quests with people and |
1661s | stuff like that um so like |
1664s | but everything just still felt a little |
1666s | bit more bland |
1667s | it didn't feel |
1668s | mystical |
1670s | yeah or anything like that it was just |
1672s | kind of the storyline also felt a bit |
1674s | rushed in its delivery i didn't finish |
1677s | 15 but like it felt like |
1680s | too many things happened too fast in |
1682s | that game and i just well apparently you |
1684s | were supposed to watch a movie before |
1685s | you played the game well i did i did |
1687s | actually watch that movie it was pretty |
1688s | i didn't watch the i didn't do my |
1690s | homework |
1691s | i feel like you didn't really need to |
1693s | watch that movie though because the |
1694s | movie is mostly about like the the |
1696s | original city that's being taken over |
1698s | which you learn about at the start of |
1700s | the game |
1701s | so you're only really like learning |
1702s | about that battle which is like right |
1705s | it's not really |
1706s | you you get to see from like the |
1707s | original king's perspective when it goes |
1710s | down but |
1711s | other than that like it's just it's a |
1713s | cool movie though it's really well |
1715s | animated |
1716s | uh okay and and uh i i the one thing i |
1719s | really love from 15 is like the whole |
1720s | like |
1722s | how they're throwing swords around and |
1723s | then like teleporting to them |
1726s | yes it was cool yeah cause only the the |
1728s | prince has that in the in the game but |
1730s | in the movie like the king like |
1732s | distributes that power to many like all |
1734s | his soldiers so like all the soldiers |
1736s | are doing it everywhere and like he's |
1738s | got like an elite squad which is the |
1739s | movie it's like based around and they're |
1741s | like really good at doing it so like |
1743s | there's a lot of that in that movie and |
1745s | it's just super |
1746s | a feast for the eyes yeah yeah i bet i |
1748s | need to check that out yeah what's it |
1749s | called again it's like king something uh |
1752s | good question king's king's glaive |
1755s | i think king's wave yeah because i think |
1757s | i think the squad is called glaive or |
1759s | something like that |
1761s | yeah kingsley that's correct |
1763s | uh pretty pretty fun movie it's not it's |
1766s | got like i think sean bean was like the |
1769s | king |
1770s | and yes and aaron paul plays somewhere |
1773s | wait he did aaron paul oh my god oh my |
1777s | god |
1777s | swords |
1782s | that's amazing i kind of need to rewatch |
1783s | that actually uh a little heady's in |
1786s | there as well |
1787s | jeez this is weird yeah |
1790s | nice |
1793s | i feel like we got a little off topic |
1794s | here um |
1796s | maybe maybe we need to cut down |
1798s | some of the |
1800s | the content here for yeah |
1801s | yeah let's just do a quick edit uh |
1803s | because we don't |
1805s | so i think something that's on a lot of |
1806s | people's minds is like what is the next |
1808s | iteration of satisfactory what are we |
1809s | doing next |
1810s | [Music] |
1815s | we haven't really revealed |
1817s | what the next update is called is it |
1819s | going to be updated 6 is it going to be |
1820s | whatever i mean but people will just |
1822s | assume the update after five is gonna be |
1824s | update six but uh you know no real |
1826s | details about that is uh |
1828s | uh coming coming along we haven't really |
1830s | said anything for a while uh about it |
1832s | because you know we're still working out |
1833s | all the planning |
1835s | um so like i can understand there's been |
1837s | like a bitter radio silence |
1840s | for our community on the public side of |
1841s | things and hopefully you know hopefully |
1843s | we can address that soon uh but um it |
1846s | has been |
1847s | a while since we've put anything out |
1849s | there for the community yeah we haven't |
1851s | really shown anything really it's kind |
1853s | of like |
1855s | kind of high like how we haven't really |
1856s | seen much from final fantasy 16 yet |
1858s | right i was looking for it the other day |
1860s | i was like googling and i'm like oh that |
1862s | just that one trailer yeah from like a |
1864s | year ago or something there's a bit of |
1866s | gameplay but you know when i see that |
1868s | trailer it really looks like it's fine |
1869s | fantasy 14. like i have a hard time |
1871s | distinguishing between it really looks |
1873s | like it's final fantasy 15. |
1875s | yeah |
1875s | it looks like final fantasy it looks |
1877s | like fun fantasy 15 but it's gone back |
1878s | in time because they don't have like |
1880s | cars and stuff like that |
1882s | true it's true it's it's back to like it |
1884s | feels a bit like they they saw like a |
1886s | game of thrones and like we got to do |
1887s | that because the trailer is very heavy |
1889s | on like yeah |
1890s | i think if i recall it's been a while |
1892s | since i've seen it but it was like oh |
1893s | the house of blah gotta |
1895s | go get him yeah fight the things yeah |
1898s | and this is this is that sort of like |
1900s | like the the western fantasy uh vibe |
1903s | that i don't jive with so well |
1904s | personally um and you know so when i saw |
1907s | that trailer you know it's |
1910s | it kind of disappointed me a little |
1911s | because it's not catering to my personal |
1913s | likes but you know i'm not the only |
1914s | person on the planet believe it or not |
1916s | there are other people who like other |
1918s | things like final fantasy 8 i'm kidding |
1920s | shut up |
1921s | [Laughter] |
1923s | yeah because to me it feels like it |
1924s | looks like fine fantasy 14. it feels a |
1926s | bit like foreign fantasy 14 which i |
1928s | guess makes sense because final fantasy |
1930s | 14 is a huge |
1932s | hit for them like it's the most |
1933s | profitable fancy game they've ever made |
1936s | so you think they're trying to like get |
1937s | people who are used to the final fantasy |
1939s | 14 |
1941s | vibe or something and coax them into a |
1943s | new uh |
1945s | you know single player entry or |
1946s | something like that it feels like a |
1947s | gateway drug towards like the the next |
1950s | entry or maybe it's the other way around |
1952s | maybe they they want to use 5016 to get |
1954s | people into final fantasy 14. i hope |
1956s | they're not doing that |
1958s | i hope that they're doing something that |
1960s | they believe in |
1962s | one way or another um but it's it's also |
1964s | hard like imagine working on the 16th |
1968s | entry you know of a series like but you |
1971s | do have the added benefit of final |
1972s | fantasy where none of them are the same |
1974s | you can do anything like if you compare |
1977s | you know 10 to 15 these two you they |
1980s | don't even look like they're in the same |
1981s | franchise but they don't even feel like |
1983s | they're in the same place it is tricky |
1985s | because like |
1986s | they are different games but like you |
1988s | also don't want them to stand off too |
1990s | much |
1991s | compared to each other because you're |
1992s | still like if you play fun fantasy one |
1994s | you know what you expect when you play |
1995s | fun fantasy two kinda |
1998s | so so like uh i feel like that has gone |
2000s | out of the window man yeah a little bit |
2002s | the fact that 11 and 14 mmo is for |
2004s | starters |
2005s | it's not the same as the other fantasies |
2007s | yeah |
2008s | i i don't want to i don't want to design |
2010s | that game |
2012s | that's the only thing i know |
2013s | or b there's a lot of pressure as well |
2015s | yeah that's a lot of pressure but i just |
2017s | i just hope that they |
2019s | you know |
2020s | uh i could pass this off to the viewers |
2022s | even like i mean if anyone knows any |
2024s | game that is |
2026s | similar to final fantasy 10 in in tone |
2028s | and story |
2029s | um you know visual like visuals in terms |
2032s | of it's like |
2033s | direction art direction like anything |
2035s | kind of like that |
2037s | uh you know please let me know because |
2038s | i'm i'm really itching for something |
2040s | again and maybe i just need to play |
2041s | final fantasy 10 again |
2043s | i played uh this is sorry this is a bit |
2045s | off topic this isn't fun fancy but i |
2047s | play chrono cross recently |
2049s | oh chrono cross does have the same kind |
2051s | of vibe yeah fancy 10. um that was |
2053s | really good i don't know why i slept on |
2055s | that for so long i i think i |
2057s | i was like disappointed that it wasn't |
2059s | chrono trigger |
2061s | or something because chrono trigger was |
2063s | right |
2064s | so good |
2065s | i played chrono cross before chrono |
2067s | trigger oh really |
2069s | yeah but i never finished chrono cross |
2070s | because my the the disc that i had |
2073s | wouldn't play after a certain point i |
2074s | had that with final fantasy |
2077s | vii i had to buy a second copy |
2080s | so i would like to play chrono cross but |
2081s | i've played the beginning of that game |
2082s | so many times now it's hard to to sync |
2085s | my tv yeah |
2086s | it is a very grindy game too so like |
2088s | it's not easy because that that was i |
2090s | played chrono cross and then i lost my |
2092s | uh when we moved i lost one of my like |
2095s | memory cards |
2097s | and i was like i guess i could just |
2098s | restart and then i was like |
2100s | it's it's kind of tough to get back into |
2102s | a game like that and restart it yeah |
2104s | but then |
2106s | last summer vacation i sat down i was |
2108s | like i'm just going to play through the |
2109s | entire thing because i feel like i kind |
2111s | of want to experience that and it was |
2112s | really good it had that like |
2114s | you know confusing time |
2116s | travel thingy |
2118s | kind of situation at the end and like |
2121s | which i i really like those type of |
2122s | story lines i think maybe i should just |
2124s | play chrono cross honestly yeah i'd love |
2126s | to i'd love to actually get around to |
2127s | finishing it the characters were cool |
2129s | yeah combat was cool too right like what |
2131s | do you do with the combat the combat is |
2132s | really like weird uh because it's like |
2134s | it's was it quick time events while |
2136s | playing as well or something there's not |
2137s | quick time events but it's like it's |
2138s | made it's made in such a way where any |
2141s | spell can only be used once during the |
2143s | fight so it's fights are supposed to be |
2145s | short |
2146s | and it's like you when you were making |
2149s | attacks you build like your mana meter |
2152s | kind of and then you spend it on your |
2154s | magic |
2155s | right and then you want to like sequence |
2157s | them in such a way where like if you do |
2159s | have three heavy attacks then you'll |
2161s | have x amount of points so you can use |
2163s | like your good attacks |
2165s | and then there's some confusing |
2166s | situation where like you can like the |
2168s | arena is a room and it has like |
2170s | different attributes and the magic use |
2172s | affects that so you can like sync up |
2174s | your attack so that you get stronger |
2177s | attacks right |
2178s | which i never |
2179s | understood |
2180s | how to like how that worked and then at |
2183s | the end of course there's a fight where |
2184s | you have to know how that works |
2187s | so like i was so stuck at some point i'm |
2189s | like what the hell am i doing wrong and |
2190s | as i had to google like oh they're |
2192s | supposed to do this with the room thing |
2193s | and i'm like oh |
2195s | i forgot about this i've never done this |
2197s | so did you did you finish it yeah i |
2198s | finished it |
2199s | i got the secret ending and everything |
2201s | oh nice i saw you played it recently |
2203s | yeah i need to finish that game uh the |
2205s | game i was thinking of actually with the |
2206s | quicktime event things i think is called |
2207s | legend of dragoon have you ever played |
2209s | that i have seen it and i've it's been |
2211s | like yeah |
2212s | i should play it too it was it was |
2214s | pretty good because if i remember |
2215s | correctly you have all these like |
2216s | different abilities that require all |
2218s | these correct inputs in the middle of a |
2220s | turn-based battle system |
2221s | uh and uh and like you need to do them |
2224s | correctly to level them up and stuff |
2225s | like that which is pretty interesting i |
2227s | think it's maybe a little much when i |
2229s | think back on it now from like a game |
2230s | design point of view but you know when i |
2232s | was like a little hyperactive kid it was |
2234s | it was great for me |
2236s | i i i also like when i played chrono |
2238s | cross i also thought a lot about how you |
2240s | know at the time there was a bunch of |
2242s | rpgs like this so like how would you |
2243s | stand out in in that you know era yeah |
2247s | so it makes sense that they did do those |
2249s | like design decisions wacky stuff sure |
2251s | yeah yeah i mean it was it was a |
2254s | playstation one era and that era |
2256s | playstation 1 and nintendo 64 was where |
2258s | people were just doing whatever the |
2259s | they wanted |
2262s | and uh |
2263s | i kind of dig it i mean you can still |
2265s | find people who do that these days but |
2267s | you know the the formula so to speak is |
2269s | much more refined now and people should |
2271s | generally stick to things so that they |
2272s | can get a return on their uh you know |
2274s | money that they put into making a game |
2276s | but back then that people just kind of |
2279s | just went wild and didn't think too much |
2280s | about things |
2282s | for better or worse do you think fine |
2283s | fancy will ever go back to like a |
2285s | turn-based |
2287s | fighting system i feel like it's a |
2289s | mechanic that's just dated now so no one |
2291s | will go back to it but like |
2293s | you know and i'm not even sure anyone |
2294s | really |
2296s | wants it but at the same time i like i i |
2298s | don't know like i i know that the |
2300s | yakuza like a dragon came out with a |
2302s | turn based battle system and a lot of |
2304s | people who are huge fans of yakuza |
2306s | franchise you know myself included uh |
2308s | really enjoyed that battle system |
2311s | um i didn't like that battle system but |
2313s | not because it was turn-based but |
2315s | because of the way it was implemented |
2316s | but you know i i think i'm still down to |
2318s | play turn-based uh rpgs i think i |
2321s | totally am |
2322s | um so like you know maybe maybe that |
2324s | mechanic isn't dead yeah i'm i'm kind of |
2327s | curious because cause uh because i mean |
2330s | i don't think the the remake turn based |
2332s | like option counts because it was |
2335s | clearly like not like actual turn-based |
2336s | it was more like a yeah |
2338s | they kind of like |
2340s | put it together and it kind of worked |
2341s | but |
2342s | it |
2343s | certainly didn't feel like the game was |
2344s | designed around that yeah and and i mean |
2346s | i don't i don't feel that like the way |
2349s | that the combat is now the the real-time |
2350s | action kind of combat in the new final |
2352s | fantasies or whatever i i don't feel |
2354s | like |
2356s | i don't feel that that is |
2358s | better |
2359s | than turn based honestly um it's it's |
2362s | something i mean you can press more but |
2364s | you get to press more buttons and if |
2366s | that's what matters to you pressing a |
2367s | lot of buttons then like okay then you |
2369s | will like that better but i mean the |
2371s | times that i've been able to sit there |
2373s | and think through my attacks |
2375s | you know in the final fantasy 10 you |
2376s | know turn-basing where there's no time |
2378s | like i found that to be a great |
2380s | challenge and fun |
2381s | um there's there's a more strategic |
2384s | element to how you want to lay it out |
2386s | exactly and also have that cool thing |
2387s | where you could see |
2389s | which order of attacks too yeah your |
2391s | initiative yeah exactly |
2393s | and like how what how certain attacks |
2395s | would affect that yeah those things |
2397s | would slow you down right yeah |
2398s | um so that was um |
2401s | yeah i don't know like i think that that |
2402s | stuff's really fun but i think that like |
2404s | developers might be too scared to go |
2405s | back to it because with the action |
2407s | things now it's like but it looks good |
2410s | you know it in and it can feel good as |
2412s | well you know um |
2414s | but like i still think there's a lot of |
2415s | value in |
2417s | being strategic and pausing for a second |
2419s | and assessing the situation |
2421s | so |
2423s | so look at the time yeah look at the |
2425s | time i think i think we're gonna have to |
2426s | wrap it up there folks um so |
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