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0s we
1s we need like an intro or something for
3s this
4s it's gonna be weird if you just start
5s start talking
7s oh
8s that's satisfactory
10s what an intro
18s [Music]
20s welcome everybody my name is jace and
22s i'm joined here by me snood yeah so
25s we're the community managers at coffee
27s stain studios and today is our first
28s episode episode 001
31s of the official satisfactory podcast so
33s welcome aboard yes welcome aboard we're
35s very excited to bring this to you yeah
37s super excited because this is this is a
38s format that we
39s kind of wanted to try for a bit because
41s we feel like there's a lot of like
43s interesting topics to talk about with
44s satisfactory
46s but it feels like it doesn't really fit
48s for the stream or sometimes you know
50s making youtube videos quite exhausting
51s so like we we felt we wanted to try the
53s podcast format a little bit so go so
55s like we're looking at maybe going into a
57s bit more in depth about the game and the
58s mechanics maybe even also talking a
61s little bit about community stuff as well
63s um yeah we're sort of just feeling it
64s out we'll just kind of see how it goes
65s we're just gonna go where our hearts
67s take us you know and if you're finding
69s this on youtube uh check the description
71s if you want to download the podcast so
73s you can
74s listen to it on the go or while you're
76s working out or something like that i
77s don't know i don't know if youtube's the
78s best place to upload it but you know we
80s thought we we try it out at least see
83s how it goes
87s [Music]
89s all right so the first thing that i kind
91s of wanted to talk a little bit about
92s today's snoot is a little bit about
94s update 5 and the effect that that has
95s had uh on our community right yeah
98s essentially you know
100s cosmetics was a big thing with update 5
101s and seriously the way that people build
104s and what they showcase now in our
106s community has just changed there was an
108s error before update 5 of how
110s satisfactory looked once update 5
112s dropped uh you know things just change
114s completely and we we showcase these kind
116s of uh builds i mean they're all over our
118s socials and in our communities reddit
120s and discord etc but we showcase them on
122s stream on our community highlight
124s sections right yeah uh
125s you know people have made a lot of
126s interesting stuff yeah it's it's amazing
128s it's like when it's so cool seeing like
130s people making like eiffel towers and you
132s know like they're making artwork with
134s pipes and
136s cool bridges and like boats and some
138s someone even like recreated midgar from
140s firefighters yeah
142s yeah exactly uh it looked really good it
144s looked a little bit more
146s you know it felt more like the the
147s midgar from the remake more than more
149s than anything which was you know kind of
151s nice because i really enjoyed the remake
153s yeah yeah the remix
155s well
155s yeah i liked remake i just i wasn't a
158s huge fan of what they did with the story
160s i mean sorry spoilers if if anyone
162s haven't played you didn't like it oh
164s well i i thought it was a really good
166s game i just like you know the original
168s final fantasy is like the better final
171s fantasy story if that makes sense yeah i
173s mean i i guess i can see that like i
175s feel like this may be like a
178s i want to say an element of elegance to
180s the original story a little bit more but
182s i also wonder if the fact that we have
184s like played through the whole game and
186s finished the story i wonder if that sort
188s of helps helps you know give you know it
190s gives us the whole picture of what
192s happened right
193s and in this case we've got like a
194s glimpse of like what they intend to do
196s so like i don't want to jump on the
198s story too much because maybe this
199s actually sets up for a really good wrap
201s up later down the line maybe and we
203s don't really know that yet because we
204s haven't got there yet yeah because i i'm
206s kind of curious what it would be like to
207s play that game when you haven't played
209s the original game at all because there's
211s so many like elements that you know
213s cause because the thing that i really
215s like about the first five hands or the
216s original fine fantasy seven is like the
218s whole setup with midgar and like they
220s don't really
221s set like
222s it's all a setup for like the actual
224s story with sephiroth and all that stuff
226s and that that whole like it's just a big
228s prelude and it's like my favorite part
230s of five fantasy seven is the whole start
232s in midgar
234s and it felt like in the remake they
236s wanted to like give you like the end
238s sort of you know several shows up and
240s all that stuff and
242s they were force-feeding the rest of the
244s story to us early kind of i guess to
247s keep us interested yeah and i guess the
249s reunion part too like they kind of like
250s kind of they kind of spoiled the reunion
252s thing
253s too and and like the fact that they
255s don't kill off any characters like the
257s whole district going down and like it
259s was such a like in the original was such
261s a big deal and and and the weird ghosts
263s and all that stuff like i don't know
265s right right but i don't know it's i mean
267s i thought it was a really fun game
268s overall like the combat mechanics or
271s whatever the rehash of it yeah i thought
273s it was a lot of fun looked really nice
275s it was nice to see a really modern
276s version of midgar and stuff like that
278s yeah oh my god the music
280s geez music was like actually one of the
282s things that was very clearly leveled up
284s yeah oh my god yeah it was like
287s there's been so many like
288s covers of fun fantasy seven songs and
291s you just feel like they
293s totally level up like the the
295s the boss fight music
297s um when you fight the the robot
300s in like the the second reactor like that
303s song is 20 minutes long
305s the the one that they have in the remake
307s and it's just like
309s over the top with everything and it's
310s just oh it's so well made yeah because i
313s was uh i was playing final fantasy 7
315s with a friend of mine who was uh who's
316s also a musician and like the one thing
318s like every time we get to a new area
321s we'd always have to comment on the music
323s because it was just like it's it sounds
325s so familiar it gives you all yeah it
327s invokes all of those feelings that you
329s had when you played the original like
330s it's nostalgic but it's super modern and
333s super good one thing that like really
336s kind of like why i'm so kind of mixed
339s about it is because all that nostalgia
341s is super strong because like seeing all
343s these characters in like full res and
345s like being voice acted
347s um and the amount of detail they put
348s into like all the areas and stuff you
350s know it's like it's like everything i
352s wanted from a remake but then at the
354s same time it's like it's a bit different
355s and it feels a bit jarring because
357s it's kind of like you know when you're a
359s kid and like your cool uncle or whatever
361s is telling you a story that you've heard
363s like a million times and then they
364s change it up because they don't want to
365s tell the same story yeah that's kind of
367s how it feels playing the remake actually
370s true like that was the only point i had
372s left to say and was that like i think if
374s they tried to tell the exact same story
377s it might have been a little stale for us
380s who have played it already um and so
382s like
383s i kind of feel like this story was
385s something that like it was clear that
386s things gonna be a little bit different
388s and so when i played the game
390s i was aware that you know there might be
392s differences coming up and i don't really
393s know what's happening even though i
394s think i know what's happening because
395s i've played the original a bajillion
397s times right and so like that was pretty
399s nice for me i think um they i think i
402s think another reason why they had to
403s like shoehorn a lot of like later stuff
406s and to try and paint a bigger picture
407s than what was painted in the midgar
409s section of the first game the original
411s game was also because if they're selling
413s like a full price game that that quote
415s unquote begins and ends
417s uh i feel like it would it would be
420s a bit of a lackluster ending if as a
423s player you felt there wasn't
425s more
426s to come but then when i think about it
428s the end of midgar suggests there's more
430s to come
431s so
432s um yeah
434s in the original game anyway is what you
436s know so like um yeah yeah i'm not sure
438s about that point anymore because because
439s it is such a strong moment in the
442s original game
443s also when like they leave midgar and
445s then they go to
446s what's the name of that town is it calm
448s is it calm yeah it's calm right with a k
451s right with a k yeah yeah where like they
454s tell the story of sephiroth where like
457s they they run into his to to the sword
460s that is plunged into to uh
463s to shinra and then they're like hold up
465s hold up this the old spoilers spoilers
467s of a game that came out in 97 or
469s whatever
470s yeah look
471s people there's a lot of games out there
472s people still trying to get around to it
474s all right yeah for sure
477s but
478s that's like my favorite part is leading
480s into that um where like they tell a
482s story as well about like the main
484s villain whereas in the remake it's just
486s like i'm here and i'm gonna do
488s like yeah yeah it's a bit but but
491s also i'm not sure what they're going to
492s do with like the
494s is is is the character gonna like carry
496s over because it feels weird that like
498s you unlock all the material essentially
500s yep and then but this is part one but i
503s have like the highest level of like most
505s of the material i have in the beginning
506s so this was my first concern when i
509s finished the game was like you know i
511s you know i'm a bit of a completionist i
513s got like the platinum trophy and stuff
514s for it and i also you know i maxed out
516s all the material and i'm like well
517s what's gonna happen now yeah when i like
520s do i stay strong uh how do they balance
522s that um
524s do i lose my progress effectively when
526s the next game comes out i'm not really
528s sure is it gonna be like a metroid thing
531s or like at the beginning of the next
532s time they're like oh no i lost all the
534s materia
535s oh no maybe yuffie shows up and just
537s takes it all and you're like oh gosh
539s darn it we have to start again
541s josh darn
542s hot dog
544s yeah um
545s yeah i really don't know so uh i guess
548s we'll see i'm i'm curious i'm i'm a bit
550s like
551s i fee i feel a bit skeptical um but i'm
554s also curious
556s we'll see what happens i guess yeah i'm
558s i'm uh i'm wary because like i think
562s final fantasy has made me wary over the
564s years uh
566s with certain releases and
568s uh not really um
570s executing things like super great kind
572s of dropping the ball in some cases so
573s i'm not sure however i do think that
576s final fantasy 7 i think i think it lived
578s up to my expectations i think uh the
581s remake i think it lived up to it
583s i think it was a great entry
584s um there are some things that i wish
586s were different but overall i'm really
588s really pleased with what we got and so
590s i'm hoping that you know they'll do that
591s again next next time yeah but you know
594s but i'm kind of cautious because i know
596s they could drop the ball i know they can
599s uh i don't want them to
601s um but
602s we'll see what happens i'm very very
604s curious i'm glad it's happening though
605s like i'm glad even if it comes out and
607s it's kind of shitty i'm just glad this
608s whole thing is happening because it's
610s just interesting one way or the other
612s yeah
613s it's also like one of the most requested
615s like
616s games to remake
618s since like they did that playstation 3
620s demo
621s yeah yeah yeah i remember that that
624s thing blew my mind i'm also i'm also
626s quite positive like the fact that they
627s did it i'm also the thing that i've also
630s thought about a lot is that i feel like
632s they will make a final fantasy remake
634s when like square innings are
636s need the money you know what i mean like
638s they need to pump out a good like a game
639s that they know will sell so that that
641s was my main concern when i saw that they
643s actually were making a remake is like oh
645s is it yeah is it bad like but but
648s it looks like they're taking it
648s seriously yeah yeah for sure looks like
650s they're taking it very seriously it
652s looks like uh i don't know if they're
653s messing around with this one so
655s that's uh that's a really good sign have
657s you played the uh what's it called
660s in interlude no it's called yeah
662s integrate integrate yeah
664s yeah yeah i did yeah with your fee yeah
667s yeah and i got you know i maxed that as
669s well i got i got every achievement and
671s then i think there was like a new boss
672s introduced into the main game if you get
674s that as well
675s uh in the uh battle simulator thingy and
678s uh
679s yeah beat that beat that as well that
680s was rough but but got there in the end
683s but that tells like also like a made up
685s or uh
687s it's not it's it's an original storyline
690s right
691s yeah
693s yep
695s anyway in this next segment we're going
696s to be talking a little bit about alt
698s recipes
701s [Music]
704s uh wickers in
705s what are they i didn't get them in final
707s fantasy and satisfactory satisfaction
709s yeah all right
710s yeah yeah yeah so uh yeah all recipes
713s are a huge aspect of the game we don't
715s really talk too much about the decision
717s making behind them
718s um so i guess this is a perfect place to
721s do that so
722s all the recipes are really there for you
724s know they're they're there as a
726s trade-off for you with the regular
728s recipes
729s and it's also a little bit of a carrot
730s for you to explore the map too to gather
732s the hard drives um and also just just in
735s case folks don't you know if there's any
737s new people out here uh old recipes you
739s know in satisfactory you have recipes on
741s how to create uh certain parts with with
744s your machines and things like that uh
745s old recipes are just alternate recipes
747s to those that can um you know so you can
749s make the same part using different
751s materials or make the same part in a
752s different machine
753s um yeah that's basically what the
755s alternate recipes are that we're talking
757s about here and there's a few famous ones
759s right yeah there's like the diluted fuel
761s one it's probably the most famous one
763s i'd say because it's it solves the fuel
765s generator or it makes a more optimized
768s one and you have like steel screws
770s because through screw you always need a
771s lot of screws
773s uh there's like heavy encased frames
774s there's a couple of them that are like a
776s lot more useful than the uh original
778s recipe and you know they're also great
780s to handle like byproducts because if you
782s take like for instance the illumina
783s solution you know you get the
786s of of silica and you can use that to
788s like make fine concrete for instance
789s which is an altruistic yeah yeah where
791s you can produce there's no like there's
792s no like best thing right it's kind of
794s like saying final fantasy 8 is better
796s than final fantasy 7 it's like that's
798s that's not really the case i mean i
799s would say it's the other way around but
801s like well you know it's it's divisive
803s you know people they're different people
805s sure
806s uh
808s but then again you know people you know
810s it is the better final fantasy so people
811s can have that opinion and i think it's
814s perfectly fine are you in final fantasy
816s 8 is better than 7k you know i'm
819s all about i fancy eight okay okay all
822s right this is this is the crazy uncle on
824s facebook right now yeah now i'm coming
827s out with this final fantasy 8 take it
828s really is like the people that that
830s prefer like the people that think fine
832s fantasy 8 is like the favorite from
834s fancy like
835s they're
836s we're a strong little community we're
838s tight you you you really are crazy uncle
841s status on facebook yeah i mean it was it
843s was a good game but i just don't
845s understand how you would say it's better
847s than seven i wouldn't even say it's
849s better than 10. i think it's mostly
851s because of nostalgia honestly i don't
852s think it necessarily is the better game
855s overall because i think you know the the
858s the magic system in final fantasy 8 is
859s kind of broken
860s um and and people
863s even people that like five fans 8 like
864s don't want to admit that but
866s it is broken like there's no
868s doubt about it yeah i've heard two
870s things about the draw system in final
872s fantasy 8 one
873s either you hate it or or two you don't
876s understand how the draw system works and
877s then for those people it's broken
879s powerfully for them exactly because and
881s there's nothing in between
883s because there's ways because like you
885s can play the whole game without drawing
886s a single time in like the combat section
888s like you can create magic from from
890s items and from like
892s uh tools and stuff in the game
894s you just need to know that in order to
896s do that you have to like learn that
898s ability with your guardian force
901s and stuff like that like it's it's
903s it's overly complicated in that sense
905s the one the one thing i like about it is
907s the fact that like you can puzzle around
909s so like if you wanna like oh i wanna
910s have this magic thing and i want a
912s hundred of that then in order to get
914s that i can either do this thing or i can
916s do that thing and like if oh if i use
918s this item i can do this thing but then
920s if i save it for later i can use it for
922s a weapon or you know like it's a little
924s bit interesting like puzzle making but
925s you can really only do that if you have
927s like a guide and know about that system
930s oh yeah but it's obviously a better game
931s than seven right well i it's a game that
934s requires a guide so you can actually
936s make use of the system i mean the
937s material system in seven is fine and
939s intuitive because because here's the
940s thing for me like i played final fantasy
943s 8 was the game that got me into final
945s fantasy at all because i had fun
947s fantastic seven and i played it and i
948s played like up to the mid-girl section
950s and then i kind of like lost interest
953s and then
954s i picked up five fancy eight
956s um and i got more interested in that
958s because
959s because i went i was an angsty teenager
961s and that fit with the main character
963s france8 right
965s you were the hottest guy in the in the
966s school or whatever it
975s um so yeah for me it's it's all
977s nostalgia like i didn't get it and then
979s once i finished eight i was like maybe
981s i'll go back to seven and then i loved
983s seven and then i played nine and then i
985s played ten
986s um
987s so that's so like one thing that's
989s interesting about from seven to twelve
991s is how crazy different the battle system
993s is so we're talking about like draw
994s systems in a you know that was wild and
997s different
998s material i feel like was pretty
1000s different as well compared to i don't
1001s know i didn't really see that kind of
1003s system anywhere else
1005s i guess nine felt a little more
1006s straightforward but there were four
1008s people in your party yeah nine was more
1010s like going back to roots with like the
1012s sort of the job system but not really
1014s the job system
1015s yeah um and then 10 had that like crazy
1018s sphere the sphere grid leveling up which
1020s i really really i really loved it as
1023s well and and like not only was it just
1025s good for in first play um they had the
1028s two different kinds of sphere grids the
1029s basic one and the advanced one uh
1031s advancement will give you more options
1032s of how you want to specialize as you
1034s play but then like at higher level play
1036s where you can go and clear nodes and
1038s then replace them like farm like plus
1041s four strength or whatever as opposed to
1043s the weaker plus one strength or whatever
1045s um you know and then you could just max
1046s out your characters um
1048s like that whole like all of that was
1051s really fun and interesting and it ties
1053s in well with the whole monster hunting
1054s as well yeah intense so like yeah i also
1057s like that you could like revisit the
1059s same notes of other characters so like
1061s if you wanted to make yuna a strength
1063s build you could do that
1067s yeah um but you needed to grind more
1069s essentially because you needed to get
1070s around the sphere system to get to that
1072s point or whatever exactly um but i
1074s thought it was really interesting the
1076s the then like in 12 they kind of took
1078s that system and just made it like even
1080s more
1081s open i guess yeah yeah it was really
1083s good i replayed 12 recently because
1085s stefan our ceo right he's a huge final
1087s fantasy nerd as well and uh
1090s he told me like he replayed 12 and that
1091s it was actually really good and then i
1093s should check it out you know they've got
1094s it on steam or something and um
1096s yeah i played it again yeah yeah
1099s and i played it again
1100s and uh it was it was really good the
1103s battle system is great so yeah anyway
1105s for those of you who are here to learn
1106s about final fantasy battle systems um
1109s in 12 is in a way it's almost like you
1111s programmed all your ais using these
1113s things called gambits and uh you know
1115s like if you are low health or teammate
1118s is low health then heal them using this
1119s spell or uh you know whatever whatever
1122s and um
1123s so it was really really cool
1126s you know programming your your party
1128s members and then like tweaking that as
1130s you go and then as you unlock more
1132s gambits and more conditions and actions
1134s um you can sort of build upon that and
1136s and create like really good battle
1138s styles um i yeah super super good
1141s actually and the world in final fantasy
1143s 12 was kind of good but that was the
1146s beginning that marked the beginning of
1147s the shift of how the final fantasies
1150s have kind of the direction that it's
1152s gone in um
1153s into into a world that i don't like as
1155s much because like i fell in love with
1157s final fantasy in final fantasy 7 where
1159s the entire world is in danger and you
1161s have to go to all these different places
1162s and with all these different cultures
1164s and you travel literally the world and
1166s in final fantasy 8 you travel the world
1168s in nine you travel the world in 10 you
1170s travel the world basically you go to all
1172s these like really really unique
1174s different places but in 12 you kind of
1176s just live in one country and everything
1178s kind of feels the same
1180s and it also has that kind of like more
1182s western fantasy feel to it rather than
1184s like
1186s an entirely new world crafted from
1188s scratch from someone's imagination
1190s and i feel like with 15 and it appears
1193s to be 16
1194s it kind of goes more into that direction
1196s as well which doesn't appeal to me as
1198s much
1199s thematically personally yeah um
1202s like i what appeals to me the most of
1204s all of them was probably final fantasy
1206s 10.
1207s really colorful world
1208s uh i loved that you know you could see
1212s the different cultures out in the world
1213s just by the way that people dress you
1214s could probably point out this person
1216s probably comes from this city buy their
1218s clothes by the way they talk the way
1219s that people interact the world is really
1221s colorful i love that you played as tidus
1223s who is essentially a camera lens uh you
1226s know he comes from a time where he
1228s doesn't understand how this world works
1230s with you as the player so you don't know
1232s how the world works either so you and
1234s the main character are learning together
1235s and in fact the main character's not
1236s even him it's yuna um so i found that to
1240s be really interesting as well and that
1242s has not i've not been inspired in that
1245s way uh by a game
1247s since final fantasy 10
1249s quite honestly i remember how anti five
1251s fans of 10 i was when it came out and i
1253s can't remember exactly why that was
1256s i guess
1258s i don't know i think it was a voice
1259s acting that just felt off
1262s um
1263s it's because it was i guess yeah yeah i
1266s also feel like because i also replayed
1267s it recently and i i
1269s i don't know why i didn't like it so
1271s much because like it is a very
1272s interesting game and like the way they
1274s handle racism and like that's kind of
1276s stuff which they've pretty much never
1278s they've kind of done it before
1280s with like in fine fantasy
1282s uh wait is it six i think or like
1285s there's two different races of people
1288s there's like the monster
1289s people and like the regular people or
1291s whatever sure
1292s um and they do kind of thing that but
1294s they're that one race is like dead off
1296s and they're like legendary whereas here
1298s it's like actually like real life kind
1300s of like situation there's a racist in
1302s your party yeah yeah that too the person
1304s from the race that he hates joins your
1306s party
1307s uh and then they figure that out yeah
1309s yeah it's uh
1311s and uh i i it's it's a cool like setup
1313s with it as well like the main
1315s protagonist uh sorry the main antagonist
1317s and that game is also an interesting
1319s antagonist i'm not talking about seymour
1321s i'm talking about sin yeah it it it is
1323s interesting seeing like the world
1326s uh so sin being this big thing that
1327s destroys the world basically every so
1330s often or destroys sections of the world
1332s every so often and so the the world that
1334s they live in is one that can't really be
1335s built up
1336s yeah and all they do is just damage
1338s control all the time which is
1340s and and they and they think it's like a
1342s religious thing the reason why sin does
1344s it it's like because of machines but in
1346s actuality it's like
1348s wait what is the reason again it's like
1349s it's an alien or something like that
1351s right spoilers
1353s you know what i don't remember i've
1355s played this so many times
1357s because it's it's explained very very
1359s late in the game and it's like yeah it's
1362s it's i think it's like an alien that
1364s like takes over people's bodies or
1365s something like that if i remember
1367s correctly because the last boss people
1369s have to sacrifice themselves to it yeah
1371s and then they become the same yeah
1373s it's like the very very last boss in
1375s that game it's like a tiny little thing
1378s that's just like oh yeah yeah i can't
1380s remember
1381s um so yeah also spoilers to a w when
1384s that game came out 2000
1386s 2000 2003 yeah maybe 2000 or 2002 or
1389s something that wasn't one to two uh 2001
1392s yeah wow yeah okay that's great that
1395s game is oh my god yeah you ever see
1397s those those gifts where it's like what
1399s uh what you think games look like 20
1401s years ago and it looks like space
1403s invaders and it's like what games
1404s actually look like 20 years ago that's
1406s final fantasy 10 yeah
1408s five fantastic 10 is a retro game like
1410s that's also wild or like even
1412s playstation 3 games is a retro game i
1414s kind of want to touch on because you
1416s mentioned that fine fantasy 12's world
1418s kind of shifted the the
1420s the way because like that game was made
1422s by a studio that made vagrant story
1425s which is oh yeah you can tell that it's
1427s the same devs because the the art style
1429s is very similar and like it's very
1433s it's it's it's a very interesting take
1435s on on the fantasy genre i think but it
1438s definitely like when you put it in the
1439s fina fantasy world it definitely feels
1443s like typical classic fine fancy you know
1446s style era yeah i mean it it definitely
1449s i think is more in line with the earlier
1451s final fantasy yeah exactly kind of
1453s style right and and i'm uh i'm a you
1456s know i i jumped on board from final
1457s fantasy 7 where things got very
1458s different yeah
1460s but i think i'm i'm more on brand with
1462s the final fantasy 7-10 kind of approach
1465s to things
1466s which i think in a way maybe 13 tried to
1468s do honestly but just didn't do it as
1470s well yeah 13 was trying to be fine fancy
1473s seven you know yeah maybe because like
1475s the main character was modeled after
1477s cloud really yeah yeah um
1480s that was the main inspiration was that
1481s it was supposed to be a female cloud
1483s or something like that okay um and um
1487s that story was just all over the place
1490s and it felt like a huge tutorial like
1492s half the game yeah it was like 20 20
1494s hours of tutorial or something like that
1496s more
1497s and it's just one long corridor which is
1499s strange because i know a lot of people
1501s had that that issue with financing 13
1503s saying that oh it's just this one big
1504s card or you know you just run down the
1506s hallway but you know when you think
1507s about like final fantasy 10 that kind of
1509s was too but it didn't feel like it it
1511s was there was no open world it was just
1514s go forward but it didn't it didn't feel
1516s like a card or it didn't i think the the
1518s main reason why it didn't feel like a
1519s corridor is i think the beats in five to
1521s ten were a lot stronger than the ones in
1523s 13 because you remember like the
1525s the moments like that taking place
1528s happens at each city right right yeah
1529s exactly i spend time in the city things
1530s happen yeah whereas with 13 you were
1533s like we're being hunted we gotta run
1535s like same deal all like every everywhere
1538s yeah it's like oh no they caught us we
1540s gotta keep going you know because if i
1542s remember correctly there really wasn't a
1543s lot of like
1545s civilization and stuff in front of ez13
1547s either i think there were but there was
1549s some like hidden behind the fact that
1550s they were constantly like moving away
1552s from them because like there are i
1554s remember set pieces i remember like the
1556s the casino planet or whatever it was
1559s like the casino city i remember the the
1561s big like arena city where there were
1564s there's some kind of like story line
1566s that i can't even remember what it was
1568s like it's revealed that unforgettable
1570s yeah
1571s and they looked cool like yeah so so i
1574s remember having the feeling at the time
1576s that like didn't see a lot of cities but
1578s there were some
1579s and in them there wasn't really a lot of
1581s people that this is the memory i have of
1584s the memory i have you know and and and
1586s so like
1587s one of the key things about final
1588s fantasy that was missing was the culture
1590s yeah the world yeah you know like like
1592s all the people spread out in city like
1594s each city
1595s adds to the world building story right
1597s the lore of the entire bigger picture
1599s and then like
1600s each person in that city adds to it a
1602s little bit as well you know in in a in a
1604s very sort of subtle way and that
1607s i remember when i played it a long time
1609s ago and i don't remember the game that
1610s much anymore but i remember feeling like
1612s that was lost completely and that was
1613s the most important part of final fantasy
1615s for sure that's so true because i when i
1617s think back on like all the other
1619s games i definitely remember like
1621s the culture and like the different
1623s type of people you were into and yeah
1626s and then 13 you're just running past
1628s everything i kind of felt the same in
1630s final fantasy 15 too
1633s a little bit
1634s yeah i mean i think there were
1637s quite a few cities and there was a lot
1638s of people so i mean but i would kind of
1641s say that's kind of why i feel like 15
1644s is was heading in the right direction
1646s and maybe like
1647s with the technological advances final
1649s fantasy just needed to go through
1650s puberty a little bit and maybe that's
1651s just what's happening and so but i think
1654s 15 is was a sign of it coming out the
1656s other side because like they did bring
1658s culture back there was cities there were
1659s people you did quests with people and
1661s stuff like that um so like
1664s but everything just still felt a little
1666s bit more bland
1667s it didn't feel
1668s mystical
1670s yeah or anything like that it was just
1672s kind of the storyline also felt a bit
1674s rushed in its delivery i didn't finish
1677s 15 but like it felt like
1680s too many things happened too fast in
1682s that game and i just well apparently you
1684s were supposed to watch a movie before
1685s you played the game well i did i did
1687s actually watch that movie it was pretty
1688s i didn't watch the i didn't do my
1690s homework
1691s i feel like you didn't really need to
1693s watch that movie though because the
1694s movie is mostly about like the the
1696s original city that's being taken over
1698s which you learn about at the start of
1700s the game
1701s so you're only really like learning
1702s about that battle which is like right
1705s it's not really
1706s you you get to see from like the
1707s original king's perspective when it goes
1710s down but
1711s other than that like it's just it's a
1713s cool movie though it's really well
1715s animated
1716s uh okay and and uh i i the one thing i
1719s really love from 15 is like the whole
1720s like
1722s how they're throwing swords around and
1723s then like teleporting to them
1726s yes it was cool yeah cause only the the
1728s prince has that in the in the game but
1730s in the movie like the king like
1732s distributes that power to many like all
1734s his soldiers so like all the soldiers
1736s are doing it everywhere and like he's
1738s got like an elite squad which is the
1739s movie it's like based around and they're
1741s like really good at doing it so like
1743s there's a lot of that in that movie and
1745s it's just super
1746s a feast for the eyes yeah yeah i bet i
1748s need to check that out yeah what's it
1749s called again it's like king something uh
1752s good question king's king's glaive
1755s i think king's wave yeah because i think
1757s i think the squad is called glaive or
1759s something like that
1761s yeah kingsley that's correct
1763s uh pretty pretty fun movie it's not it's
1766s got like i think sean bean was like the
1769s king
1770s and yes and aaron paul plays somewhere
1773s wait he did aaron paul oh my god oh my
1777s god
1777s swords
1782s that's amazing i kind of need to rewatch
1783s that actually uh a little heady's in
1786s there as well
1787s jeez this is weird yeah
1790s nice
1793s i feel like we got a little off topic
1794s here um
1796s maybe maybe we need to cut down
1798s some of the
1800s the content here for yeah
1801s yeah let's just do a quick edit uh
1803s because we don't
1805s so i think something that's on a lot of
1806s people's minds is like what is the next
1808s iteration of satisfactory what are we
1809s doing next
1810s [Music]
1815s we haven't really revealed
1817s what the next update is called is it
1819s going to be updated 6 is it going to be
1820s whatever i mean but people will just
1822s assume the update after five is gonna be
1824s update six but uh you know no real
1826s details about that is uh
1828s uh coming coming along we haven't really
1830s said anything for a while uh about it
1832s because you know we're still working out
1833s all the planning
1835s um so like i can understand there's been
1837s like a bitter radio silence
1840s for our community on the public side of
1841s things and hopefully you know hopefully
1843s we can address that soon uh but um it
1846s has been
1847s a while since we've put anything out
1849s there for the community yeah we haven't
1851s really shown anything really it's kind
1853s of like
1855s kind of high like how we haven't really
1856s seen much from final fantasy 16 yet
1858s right i was looking for it the other day
1860s i was like googling and i'm like oh that
1862s just that one trailer yeah from like a
1864s year ago or something there's a bit of
1866s gameplay but you know when i see that
1868s trailer it really looks like it's fine
1869s fantasy 14. like i have a hard time
1871s distinguishing between it really looks
1873s like it's final fantasy 15.
1875s yeah
1875s it looks like final fantasy it looks
1877s like fun fantasy 15 but it's gone back
1878s in time because they don't have like
1880s cars and stuff like that
1882s true it's true it's it's back to like it
1884s feels a bit like they they saw like a
1886s game of thrones and like we got to do
1887s that because the trailer is very heavy
1889s on like yeah
1890s i think if i recall it's been a while
1892s since i've seen it but it was like oh
1893s the house of blah gotta
1895s go get him yeah fight the things yeah
1898s and this is this is that sort of like
1900s like the the western fantasy uh vibe
1903s that i don't jive with so well
1904s personally um and you know so when i saw
1907s that trailer you know it's
1910s it kind of disappointed me a little
1911s because it's not catering to my personal
1913s likes but you know i'm not the only
1914s person on the planet believe it or not
1916s there are other people who like other
1918s things like final fantasy 8 i'm kidding
1920s shut up
1921s [Laughter]
1923s yeah because to me it feels like it
1924s looks like fine fantasy 14. it feels a
1926s bit like foreign fantasy 14 which i
1928s guess makes sense because final fantasy
1930s 14 is a huge
1932s hit for them like it's the most
1933s profitable fancy game they've ever made
1936s so you think they're trying to like get
1937s people who are used to the final fantasy
1939s 14
1941s vibe or something and coax them into a
1943s new uh
1945s you know single player entry or
1946s something like that it feels like a
1947s gateway drug towards like the the next
1950s entry or maybe it's the other way around
1952s maybe they they want to use 5016 to get
1954s people into final fantasy 14. i hope
1956s they're not doing that
1958s i hope that they're doing something that
1960s they believe in
1962s one way or another um but it's it's also
1964s hard like imagine working on the 16th
1968s entry you know of a series like but you
1971s do have the added benefit of final
1972s fantasy where none of them are the same
1974s you can do anything like if you compare
1977s you know 10 to 15 these two you they
1980s don't even look like they're in the same
1981s franchise but they don't even feel like
1983s they're in the same place it is tricky
1985s because like
1986s they are different games but like you
1988s also don't want them to stand off too
1990s much
1991s compared to each other because you're
1992s still like if you play fun fantasy one
1994s you know what you expect when you play
1995s fun fantasy two kinda
1998s so so like uh i feel like that has gone
2000s out of the window man yeah a little bit
2002s the fact that 11 and 14 mmo is for
2004s starters
2005s it's not the same as the other fantasies
2007s yeah
2008s i i don't want to i don't want to design
2010s that game
2012s that's the only thing i know
2013s or b there's a lot of pressure as well
2015s yeah that's a lot of pressure but i just
2017s i just hope that they
2019s you know
2020s uh i could pass this off to the viewers
2022s even like i mean if anyone knows any
2024s game that is
2026s similar to final fantasy 10 in in tone
2028s and story
2029s um you know visual like visuals in terms
2032s of it's like
2033s direction art direction like anything
2035s kind of like that
2037s uh you know please let me know because
2038s i'm i'm really itching for something
2040s again and maybe i just need to play
2041s final fantasy 10 again
2043s i played uh this is sorry this is a bit
2045s off topic this isn't fun fancy but i
2047s play chrono cross recently
2049s oh chrono cross does have the same kind
2051s of vibe yeah fancy 10. um that was
2053s really good i don't know why i slept on
2055s that for so long i i think i
2057s i was like disappointed that it wasn't
2059s chrono trigger
2061s or something because chrono trigger was
2063s right
2064s so good
2065s i played chrono cross before chrono
2067s trigger oh really
2069s yeah but i never finished chrono cross
2070s because my the the disc that i had
2073s wouldn't play after a certain point i
2074s had that with final fantasy
2077s vii i had to buy a second copy
2080s so i would like to play chrono cross but
2081s i've played the beginning of that game
2082s so many times now it's hard to to sync
2085s my tv yeah
2086s it is a very grindy game too so like
2088s it's not easy because that that was i
2090s played chrono cross and then i lost my
2092s uh when we moved i lost one of my like
2095s memory cards
2097s and i was like i guess i could just
2098s restart and then i was like
2100s it's it's kind of tough to get back into
2102s a game like that and restart it yeah
2104s but then
2106s last summer vacation i sat down i was
2108s like i'm just going to play through the
2109s entire thing because i feel like i kind
2111s of want to experience that and it was
2112s really good it had that like
2114s you know confusing time
2116s travel thingy
2118s kind of situation at the end and like
2121s which i i really like those type of
2122s story lines i think maybe i should just
2124s play chrono cross honestly yeah i'd love
2126s to i'd love to actually get around to
2127s finishing it the characters were cool
2129s yeah combat was cool too right like what
2131s do you do with the combat the combat is
2132s really like weird uh because it's like
2134s it's was it quick time events while
2136s playing as well or something there's not
2137s quick time events but it's like it's
2138s made it's made in such a way where any
2141s spell can only be used once during the
2143s fight so it's fights are supposed to be
2145s short
2146s and it's like you when you were making
2149s attacks you build like your mana meter
2152s kind of and then you spend it on your
2154s magic
2155s right and then you want to like sequence
2157s them in such a way where like if you do
2159s have three heavy attacks then you'll
2161s have x amount of points so you can use
2163s like your good attacks
2165s and then there's some confusing
2166s situation where like you can like the
2168s arena is a room and it has like
2170s different attributes and the magic use
2172s affects that so you can like sync up
2174s your attack so that you get stronger
2177s attacks right
2178s which i never
2179s understood
2180s how to like how that worked and then at
2183s the end of course there's a fight where
2184s you have to know how that works
2187s so like i was so stuck at some point i'm
2189s like what the hell am i doing wrong and
2190s as i had to google like oh they're
2192s supposed to do this with the room thing
2193s and i'm like oh
2195s i forgot about this i've never done this
2197s so did you did you finish it yeah i
2198s finished it
2199s i got the secret ending and everything
2201s oh nice i saw you played it recently
2203s yeah i need to finish that game uh the
2205s game i was thinking of actually with the
2206s quicktime event things i think is called
2207s legend of dragoon have you ever played
2209s that i have seen it and i've it's been
2211s like yeah
2212s i should play it too it was it was
2214s pretty good because if i remember
2215s correctly you have all these like
2216s different abilities that require all
2218s these correct inputs in the middle of a
2220s turn-based battle system
2221s uh and uh and like you need to do them
2224s correctly to level them up and stuff
2225s like that which is pretty interesting i
2227s think it's maybe a little much when i
2229s think back on it now from like a game
2230s design point of view but you know when i
2232s was like a little hyperactive kid it was
2234s it was great for me
2236s i i i also like when i played chrono
2238s cross i also thought a lot about how you
2240s know at the time there was a bunch of
2242s rpgs like this so like how would you
2243s stand out in in that you know era yeah
2247s so it makes sense that they did do those
2249s like design decisions wacky stuff sure
2251s yeah yeah i mean it was it was a
2254s playstation one era and that era
2256s playstation 1 and nintendo 64 was where
2258s people were just doing whatever the
2259s they wanted
2262s and uh
2263s i kind of dig it i mean you can still
2265s find people who do that these days but
2267s you know the the formula so to speak is
2269s much more refined now and people should
2271s generally stick to things so that they
2272s can get a return on their uh you know
2274s money that they put into making a game
2276s but back then that people just kind of
2279s just went wild and didn't think too much
2280s about things
2282s for better or worse do you think fine
2283s fancy will ever go back to like a
2285s turn-based
2287s fighting system i feel like it's a
2289s mechanic that's just dated now so no one
2291s will go back to it but like
2293s you know and i'm not even sure anyone
2294s really
2296s wants it but at the same time i like i i
2298s don't know like i i know that the
2300s yakuza like a dragon came out with a
2302s turn based battle system and a lot of
2304s people who are huge fans of yakuza
2306s franchise you know myself included uh
2308s really enjoyed that battle system
2311s um i didn't like that battle system but
2313s not because it was turn-based but
2315s because of the way it was implemented
2316s but you know i i think i'm still down to
2318s play turn-based uh rpgs i think i
2321s totally am
2322s um so like you know maybe maybe that
2324s mechanic isn't dead yeah i'm i'm kind of
2327s curious because cause uh because i mean
2330s i don't think the the remake turn based
2332s like option counts because it was
2335s clearly like not like actual turn-based
2336s it was more like a yeah
2338s they kind of like
2340s put it together and it kind of worked
2341s but
2342s it
2343s certainly didn't feel like the game was
2344s designed around that yeah and and i mean
2346s i don't i don't feel that like the way
2349s that the combat is now the the real-time
2350s action kind of combat in the new final
2352s fantasies or whatever i i don't feel
2354s like
2356s i don't feel that that is
2358s better
2359s than turn based honestly um it's it's
2362s something i mean you can press more but
2364s you get to press more buttons and if
2366s that's what matters to you pressing a
2367s lot of buttons then like okay then you
2369s will like that better but i mean the
2371s times that i've been able to sit there
2373s and think through my attacks
2375s you know in the final fantasy 10 you
2376s know turn-basing where there's no time
2378s like i found that to be a great
2380s challenge and fun
2381s um there's there's a more strategic
2384s element to how you want to lay it out
2386s exactly and also have that cool thing
2387s where you could see
2389s which order of attacks too yeah your
2391s initiative yeah exactly
2393s and like how what how certain attacks
2395s would affect that yeah those things
2397s would slow you down right yeah
2398s um so that was um
2401s yeah i don't know like i think that that
2402s stuff's really fun but i think that like
2404s developers might be too scared to go
2405s back to it because with the action
2407s things now it's like but it looks good
2410s you know it in and it can feel good as
2412s well you know um
2414s but like i still think there's a lot of
2415s value in
2417s being strategic and pausing for a second
2419s and assessing the situation
2421s so
2423s so look at the time yeah look at the
2425s time i think i think we're gonna have to
2426s wrap it up there folks um so
2429s yeah exciting super cool to do this
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2433s yeah hope everyone enjoyed listening to
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