Thank you!
On a side note I sent you a DM with an extensive list of ideas for Outriders that I took the time to type up, so did you have a chance to look it over? Just curious.
Thanks
Thanks for the DM! My reddit notifications are currently sat at around 1800 unreads (I really need to get better at remembering to turn of "OP thread reply notifications"), but I'll try and keep an eye out for your message when I next dive into them.
welcome back! hope you had a much needed relaxing break.
Thank you! It was certainly much needed, but I'm looking forward to getting back to supporting you all as best I can :)
Good man.
Hopefully some nice buffs in there.
You will :)
Full balance notes and information will be shared when the maintenance goes live. I'm just prepping the reddit thread now.
Yep - it will be resolved in an upcoming patch. See here.
Downvoted to 0 for confirming a fix is on the way. GG Reddit.
Read moreThank you for posting this. This makes things a bit more clear for me now.
Lately, what seems to be for the past ~7days my CT15 Gold legendary drops feel to be Meh. As in im not getting alot of drops. prior to this stretch when this happened it only lasted for a couple days. This is the longest its been. I remember this exact feeling in the demo when farming the captain. "Had ~150h in the demo and farmed everyday"
Before this.... legendaries dropped at a good enough rate for me. I almost never went without atleast 1 legendary drop per run.
Now this past 7 days i can go 2-4 runs before i see even 1 legendary drop. Then go another 2-4runs before getting another.
Yesterday it started to feel better again with drops for me.
I play alot. Have over 550h in the game. So i notice when things seem to change whether they have or not.
Maybe it is what it is at times and its in my head or im unlucky, But it feels like a switch is flipped "in la...
You make a very good point for a case study - As you said, drop rates for you appear to sometimes be okay and sometimes not (and I very much understand the frustration).
Personally, I would need to check with the team why such a disparity between days could even happen, but if it's down to a bug or an occasional miscalculation in the system (I'm not saying it is but it could be), then buffing specific drop rates around this wouldn't necessarily help. The underlying issue would need to be dealt with first.
But to figure out that bug the easiest way would be for you to see how the systems should (in theory) be working, then comparing that to your experience.
Read moreAs someone who spends a lot of time on this sub (because it's interesting) and has played almost every loot based game I can think of (even more obscure ones such as the Van Helsing games and Grimdawn) Outriders loot issues can be easily broken up as follows:
There is currently no pity system for drops in general (at least thats how it seems). This is why you're getting players ranging from "I get lots of drops" to "I never get any drops" because the system seems to be based ENTIRELY on RNG. Even in Diablo, a game which throws gear at you there is a pity system to ensure players are always getting something and their time is not being "wasted" so to speak.
The shop needs to rotate stock. Frankly I'm shocked this didn't make it in the main game as it's frankly a standard in loot based games. Have a shop that offers a small random selection of rotating weekly gear. This gives players an opportunity (that is still based on RNG) to pick up the exact pi...
By Pity system do you mean Bad Luck Protection?
Because Outriders has that.
But you believing that it doesn't exist kind of underlines the point I'm trying to make - that there are systems in play, but they are not obvious or are working in ways that make them appear to not exist. Or perhaps they're malfunctioning under certain circumstances, but because players don't know how they're supposed to work, it makes triaging issues around them almost impossible.
By talking a bit more about them (without blowing the lid off completely), we can ensure everyone gets on the same page.
What I'm saying is this; it's very telling of developer priorities when they nerf the drop rate in the early stages of the demo, before the full game is even released, with zero hesitation. BUT when it's time to possibly BUFF the drop rate, there's months of nothing followed by a "well, BEFORE we can do that, we have to give you information blah blah blah blah pbbbbbbt." If you can make the game stingier without bullshit preamble, you can also make more generous without bullshit preamble. You should be asking yourself why they won't.
My guess? The same reason other live services don't; engagement and retention are more valuable than customer experience. But they're going to give us some rehashed variation of the idiotic "we want players to feel a sense of pride and accomplishment" argument that's been trotted out since the early days of MMO.
Drop rates as a rate were not nerfed in the demo.
We changed the chest loot cave to a quest run to make farming more fun instead of it being a mindless chest run.
The demo was also a single area, with a small set of items, making it easier to understand what was/wasn't working. Drop rates for the entire game is a very different proposition.
Legendary Drop Rates aren't just a single digit that is bumped.
Some players may think that there is just a single percentage that we are stoically refusing to nudge. That's not the case.
Consider this for example:
When someone says that "drop rates suck", what do they mean? YOU know what that may mean for you personally, but does your opinion overlap with everyone else? With a majority? With a minority? With X percentage? With Reddit?
Here's a list of things that "drop rates are bad" could mean, and bear in mind that every single answer would have a different improvement method:
- Personal note:
- I will be out of office next week (May 31st to 6th of June) due to personal reasons. u/RobbieSquareEnix will, however, be posting any news updates here on Reddit in my stead. This is just a note to indicate why you may not hear from me for a few days after this Friday.
You are under no obligation to share your PTO/Work schedule with internet strangers. The reality is this game is broken, things may or may not get fixed. Does it suck? Sure, but don't lose sight of the fact that you the individual don't owe anyone here anything.
Agreed - However, I felt I needed to put that note in there so that we dont see a slew of "the devs have stopped communicating" and "the game is abandoned" by Tuesday morning.
An update every Thursday, at least for the time being, sounds like a great idea.
More explanation about obscure game mechanics ? great !
However, at several points I kinda got the feeling you were saying "you're wrong about how you feel" about legendaries and timed expedition. I'm not quite sure how explaining to me why stuff is like it is will change my mind about how I feel about it in the game. I don't really care it's the most well designed time attack endgame in the entire galaxy if I don't like it.
That's why I'm staying overall neutral about where this game is going.
I kinda got the feeling you were saying "you're wrong about how you feel" about legendaries and timed expedition.
Not at all - I wasn't at all implying that players feelings are invalid. That wasn't the intent.
As you've specifically mentioned Expeditions: A discussion around legendaries drop rates needs to extend beyond expeditions. And it needs to be detailed about a number of gameplay aspects.
This is why a "one size answer" doesn't really make sense unless you better understand how everything works together.
Lol you say things that make us think were incompetent because we dont "understand how mechanics work"... lmfao. You almost got me.
I don't expect you to know them because some of these mechanics are hidden. Ignorance is not incompetence.
Yep - it will be resolved in an upcoming patch. See here.
Before we get into today’s news, I wanted to touch on community news scheduling. We’ve been active in the community every single week since long before launch already, but we’ve never properly outlined specifically when you should be able to expect news by, which has left to confusion on occasion.
To make it perfectly clear: For the foreseeable future, we aim to provide news in the form of a thread (or thread update) such as this one every Thursday as a minimum.
We/I will still be active in threads and will provide re...
Read more External link →Thank you for replying! I will get online tonight and get some footage off of my xbox for you. How would you prefer i get it to you?
If you could upload it to Youtube and Pass me a link (as a reply here or privately in DMs), that would be very helpful.
What platform will this be on by the way?
After reading comments: Just trying to share a funny/frustrating experience I had during an expedition. just joking that a one shot would've ended my characters pain and suffering in this situation. Some of y'all get triggered wayyyyy too easily.
A fair few people in this thread, including myself (in between pouring through other potential reports), appreciated the clip.
Including your frantic skill button mashing - impressive tanking nonetheless! :)
Read moreI think PCF actually fixed the damage mitigation. Honestly. I can feel the diffrence.
But I think there is More to it then just damage mitigation that was messed up.
I think the issue left to be fixed now is:
1) The one shot mechanic
2) Enemies doing random high damage. Even trash NPC's. One second you can tank 3+ hits other times your cant. It seems to happen after your trigger the cooldown for the one shot prevention mechanic.
I posted a thread here talking about it and a couple of other things but for some reason any post i make doesnt go public even though it says its public and none of the mods respond to me about it. So i dont know if they shadow banned me or what. :(
https://www.reddit.com/r/outriders/comments/nl1imj/damage_mitigation_after_the_patch_shield_regen/
As a side Note if you look at your video yo...
I posted a thread here talking about it and a couple of other things but for some reason any post i make doesnt go public even though it says its public and none of the mods respond to me about it. So i dont know if they shadow banned me or what. :(
https://www.reddit.com/r/outriders/comments/nl1imj/damage_mitigation_after_the_patch_shield_regen/
I had a look at your thread and have manually approved it so that the auto-mod doesn't remove it. It should now be live.
No idea why it w...
Read moreAfter seeing what one of the jabroni Dev's said on Twitter last week. I'm a firm believer that they had no intentions of a future for this game and are dragging their heels on purpose. The dev basically blamed the gamers/community for the current issues. Saying that the game was never designed to be a long term game and that we forced them to add content which resulted in breaking the game. He also said that Outriders was not a looter shooter, (even though they advertised it as one) and the game was to be played for a few weeks, and moved on to something new. "Just like how games used to be" were his exact quotes. Yes, I ended up being a dick with my response "Just like games used to be? You mean how games used to work correctly on launch day?" It's clear the dev's are not being honest and in fact had no desire to pump resources into the game once it launched.
Do you have a link to this exchange?
I'm aware that there are some people in Twitter impersonating developers so I'd like to look into this.
Since I've started running an Impale focused build on my Devastator I have noticed 2 big issues with the skill that really mess with my runs.
Frozen Enemies Are Immune
Trying to hit a frozen target with Impale will fail. If Its the only enemy in range it will fail to find a target, if there are multiple and only one is frozen it will hit everything except the frozen target. This makes group play with an Impale focused build like mine extremely difficult, especially when running with a Technomancer.
Bleed Fails to Apply, Sometimes
BY a very rough guesstimation it feels like around 30-40% of the time Impale will not apply the Bleed status. As my build is Impale focused and stacks a LOT of extra damage vs bleeding targets this can ruin expedition runs for me.
If you want any video proof I can pull some or create some pretty easily. lmk
Thanks for the reports, I've passed them on but if you are able to provide a longer form video where this happens, that would be very helpful!
/u/thearcan I'm still getting a bug in Heart of the Wild on my Technomancer where after clearing mobs in the room after the crystal (3rd area), no more mobs spawn and I'm unable to progress further. The objective is marked "Venture deep into the forest" and...well we can't.
Thanks for the report - what platform is this on? And do you find that you're killing enemies very quickly (perhaps even before they fully spawn?)
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