[2023] A22 Content in A21 Dev Stream?

It's because it was stuff that was in development in A21 but got pushed back. Anytime they're talking about A22 it's "this is stuff we worked in in this period".

I generally understand the sentiment that they should focus on the A21 stuff.. But like Doc, I'd rather see everything they're willing to share, because it's stuff they've worked on during A21's development.

I think they did just that for the first 3/4 of the stream. Easy solution was to just close your browser after the A21 info ended and then you wouldn’t have to pollute your senses with A22 info.

The fact is that A21/22 are all meshed together. The characters, bandits, and armors that were shown were worked on by artists who didn’t quite make the deadline and so their stuff got pushed to A22 but they wanted to show fans what they’d been working on.

It was a nice gesture to their hard work giving them some time, it was put at the end so that folks like you could switch it off, and 99.99% of the rest of us were pleased to get a sneak peak at whatever is being worked on whether it be A21, A22, or even something planned for after that.

My take is, they’re simply cognizant of what a lot of fans want to see.
When are bandits coming? What about the story? Will there ever be NPCs besides the traders? Isn’t the player art getting kind of… dated and fugly when compared to the rest of the game?
Edit: or see “Why player characters still so bad,” the thread right under this one at the moment.

You’ll see these criticisms here all the time. I suspect if the A21 dev streams showed only A21 content, then fan reaction would’ve been more negative. Along the lines of, “ho hum, they’re just working on this other stuff while they once again ignore the issues with characters etc.”

As everyone is quick to point out, it’s been a long time since A20 arrived. Character artists are part of the dev team, too, and they wanted the public to know that they’ve been contributing to the game’s development during that time, even in this awkward situation where characters in A21 will be unchanged.

Originally posted by Desert Rat: I don't have a problem with people who want to see everything that's being worked on and what will be in future releases. I applaud all the hard work that the designers and devs are doing, but people seem to have missed (or ignored) the point of my comment.

I think it is simply that when held up next to being able to applaud all the hard work that has been done and the opportunity to get a sneak peek at what is coming, your point about having separate streams vs one combined stream seems petty and insignificant. Why do you care so much that they put a sneak peek segment at the end of the A21 art stream? What did it hurt?

I also think that most people probably realize that to get everyone together with separate schedules and time zone differences is much easier to do one time rather than twice. For some of the artists the stream happened very very late and they were willing to show up and show off what they had been working on. So next to that why is there even an annoyance that some A22 art was shown at the very end of the A21 art stream?

If they want to highlight content that will be in future releases, perhaps they could have a FUTURE RELEASES stream.

Probably because there wasn't enough that they were willing and ready to show to have a dedicated future releases stream. They had enough to add it to the end of the A21 material. Its not like it is a regular thing. The first stream had no A22 content and last night's stream had no A22 content. TFP isn't sliding down some slippery slope where A22 content becomes as common in A21 streams as console update requests are in Twitter posts...

If they are putting out an A21 stream, then I would like to see what's going to be in A21. Why is that a difficult concept to understand?

You say that like there was A21 content preempted by A22 content. It was not. You saw every bit of A21 content they planned to show and then as a bonus there was some A22 sneak peeks. If they had cut the A22 part then the stream would have been shorter by that amount.

So, in short, they DID put out an A21 stream and you DID see what's going to be in A21. Why are you ignoring that fact? Why are you not understanding the point that everything that was going to be shown in A21 was shown and you saw it and the A22 portion at the end was bonus and did not detract or replace any A21 information that you would have seen?

Anyway, your annoyance is your annoyance. I know you can't help how you feel. Sorry that the stream format wasn't to your liking. The response to the art stream with the A22 sneak peek has been overwhelmingly positive so they probably won't shy away from doing it like that again in the future if necessary. Hopefully last night's stream was perfect for you.

Originally posted by Desert Rat: You seem to be taking this all very personally, and I'm not sure why other than maybe it's lonely in the basement and you have nothing better to do. My original point was a very simple one, and you have created this convoluted straw man argument in an attempt to counter what I said. Makes no sense to me, but hey, your reality is your own and you're welcome to it. Perhaps you work for TFP, or you are related to someone who works for TFP, or maybe you worship someone who works for TFP, I don't know. At any rate, my original comment was not an attack, merely an expression of my thoughts and opinions. I regret that you took it so badly and became defensive. Go have a pudding pop or something, maybe you will feel better.

Translation: You didn't think about all the ramifications before posting and now that you've seen the reasons I've posted you have no counter. Instead of saying, "I never considered those things, fair enough", you've decided to go with the personal attack gambit.

You are the one who posted your opinion about a point you wanted to make on a public forum-- possibly thinking you'd get a bunch of agreement but then I disagreed and gave my reasons and in response you claimed I was debating a strawman and told me to have a pudding pop. Well, I spoke directly to your point so no strawman but I do like pudding pops and I will enjoy one in honor of your concession of the point.

Cheers!