[2022] Skill system

Originally posted by BGratz:

Originally posted by Mardoin69: The idea behind the skill system is that players will need to make a choice between one build style or another......although in the end you can eventually max everything. But, in earlier game, each players character build will be somewhat unique based on their playstyle. If we could just max everything we deemed 'important' early on in the game, it would make it rather boring. Some people really enjoy the challenge of building our character to our playstyle. There was a point where you couldn't even get all the things you wanted and you had to be picky about where you spent your points. I miss that.

If you want player to make "Choices" you need to offer alternatives
And sure you dont NEED any skill at all, you can play this game without any skill and just a stone axe. But please tell me not that this makes fun.

You don't actually NEED anything you can unlock.

But even before that, The player has alternatives. If you can't find crucible, find bits of steel in the world by dismantling, buy it from a trader, Or simply operate with a lack of steel in mind.

Can't get a chem station? Source gas from dismantling vehicles or looting, source ammunition from looting or buying.

What you seem to mean isn't 'Alternative', You mean 'replacement'. You expect anything that you can't just outright get to have an equivalent that does basically the same thing but that you can access without the RNG. IE, Cant get the RNG chem station blueprint? Well I can cook gunpowder up in a pot on the campfire anyway so it's fine. Can't get a crucible? Well I can make single use clay pots that do the same thing but with a constant price, which is fine since clay is everywhere anyway.

There are alternatives. There aren't replacements.

Edit: Dumb morning brain typo in the first sentence where I put 'crucible' a second time instead of 'steel'.

Originally posted by BGratz: i am not against the skill system at all. But the last 4-6 weeks i got the silencer only 3 times
Once at the trader at day one, once around week 3 and once after i refreshed the trader over 100 Times.

I never used the magnum all that time because i had the T3 44er much earlyer, same about the lever rifle, I allways end up with the mining, Harvesting and trading skills. And its still a joke that i can build automatic turrets but i cant bake a potatoe.

Later i jump like superman on roofs and onehit nearly everything, not that this would be necessary since zombies need 20 Hits to kill me.

Anyway, i am busy to fix this with a mod, what is not really easy because of too much depencies. So you cant just add to the startcharacter anything, you need to add it to the startcharacter and then reduce it over time and even reduce a ability when the player reach a high skillevel

Einstein, incredibly smart, a defining scientist and physicist in human history...was a terrible cook, and awful at housework in general.

When you spend all your time devoted to becoming a master of something, you have very little time to pick up any other skill set. So it is in 7DTD. When you spend points in 7DTD you're effectively spending your accumulated experience to become more proficient in one task or another.

You keep spending all your points in all the ways you want- But you never bother to put a point in cooking so you can "bake a potato". So, You can't bake a potato. You're like a middle/high school student complaining all they can make for themselves at home is peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, but that refuses to take a Home Economics class to learn to cook.

Originally posted by BGratz: To place a potatoe on a grill or in a fire should be possible, even for a terrible cook. Sorry but thats immersion breaking nonsense.

one possible sollution, rename the Recipe to "Backed Potatoe deluxe" and add a free recipe "Burned Potatoe" with 20% less food points

Yeah, Except for a terrible cook you get something burnt and inedible...or not cooked that is basically still just a potato.

Further, The knowledge to "throw it on a grill and cook it" is knowledge from someone who knows how to/that they can make a baked potato in the first place

To a non cook, it sounds more like this: "You can cook a potato? What? I've been eating them this way(raw) my whole life!"