[2019] An Update on The Iron Crown Event

Originally posted by Halfonzito

Remember to not start sucking their dicks, they probably planned this.

Edit: what happened to all those posts talking about exactly this?

Originally posted by Heisennorb

why didnt you do this right from the start like with the beast from the hunt event? you could prevent so much backlash 🤷‍♂️

Originally posted by mIqPenid

It certainly feels like you’re tryna squeeze every last dime out of us...

Originally posted by queenoftheEGG

this is definitely a change for the better but I am still super hesitate to buy from the shop now, whos to say this isnt gonna happen again with EA holding respawn and this game by the balls?

Originally posted by yetaa

I mean, they can not make all the skins from the event available for free by playing.

You must understand that. They need to create revenue from these events.

Originally posted by ShrubsLI

Ya, this damage control is still f**king horseshit lmao

Originally posted by imperfectsworld

This was 100% planned from the start. And its basically $20 for a single legendary skin -_-

Originally posted by RustBeltPGH

Messaging for Expectations?

What in the name of Corporate Buzzwords is this?
"We need our Apex players to think outside the box, to find synergy, for our stakeholders."

Originally posted by Billyxmac

They're coming out and basically saying they f**ked up. If they were to do this again, they would lose a huge amount of players. I don't think this will happen again.

Originally posted by psilty

EA said in their earnings call at the end of July that Apex was getting 8-10 million players per week during season 2.

Originally posted by Dominic_Artuso

$20 is a lot better then gambling with those Crown Packs. They listened, they heard, and hopefully the next event will be improved. Atleast they are communicating with us. Probably why they didn't respond so quickly because of so much backlash. I like Respawn. I respect them. Thanks for the update!

Originally posted by Qrow513

What about the Music Packs? Will they just be gone forever?

Originally posted by Jamer-J

Why don’t you say what will happen ‘before’ the event starts? Rather than say nothing until the day it drops, that would probably solve that issue and save you guys a lot of embarrassment

Originally posted by RustBeltPGH

...thanks?

I mean I was able to understand it. It's just that part of your "messaging" issue is you're talking to us about a video game like this is a Human Resources Convention.

Originally posted by HypeFyre

But the complaints and such were a factor, right?

Originally posted by -eriksthename

They didn't respond quickly because people were blowing $200 to get the skins they want and heirloom. Once they saw a drop in the amount of people buying they made the announcement.

Originally posted by BeBenNova

we just need to make enough money to keep the game going and make more stuff for everyone.

https://www.gameinformer.com/2019/03/22/apex-legends-earns-over-92-million-in-its-first-month

Dude, lol

Don't bullshit us

Originally posted by lappdogg

Have you discussed lowering the shop prices? It seems drastically higher than any other F2P game or ones that sell cosmetics. I know for a fact I would buy skins at lower prices ($5-10 depending), but $18 for a character skin that I don't even see seems a bit much. Buying 4 skins would be more than paying a full MSRP ($60) for a game.

Originally posted by IPL4YFORKEEPS

Do you think $18 is a fair price for a Legendary skin?

Originally posted by it_is_pizza_time

our goal has not been to squeeze every last dime out of our players

Blink twice if EA is behind you Jay

Originally posted by FinallyNewShoes

This was a decision made because the whales are done spending money and packs aren't moving how you expected now.

Originally posted by VayneHentai

was a decision made to get $$$ , not to fix the broken promise.

If your goal was to provide choice on how players can get items, you would have done something other than "well people can buy 1 pack for $7 or 10 packs for $70 good choice"

Originally posted by Xeno_The_Chained

I know. It honestly sucks that people hate you guys. You are amazing, you are clear, you are some badass game devs. But there will always be toxicity. Its unavoidable nowadays. You dont get the praise you deserve for making an incredible game, you instead get complaints about said games flaws, in a truly horrible fashion. Im genuinely sorry for you guys. Just keep up the good work even if you have to trudge through 100 toxic people. 100 caustic gas traps. 100 wattson fences. Know that there will always be people looking to pick up your banner if you fall. Good luck with the future of Apex Legends. I look forward to what is next.

Originally posted by mineer4

While temper tantrums are bad, I remember a time when developers didn't fill their game to the brim with micro transactions and monetization tactics. They cared about the games, not only the money. This is free to play, so micro transactions (cosmetic only, as they are in Apex) are acceptable. But I don't like when developers default to "ass-hat gamers". There needs to be blame on both sides, not just gamers and not just developers. People are understandably upset when developers are trying their best to squeeze money out of their players.

Anyways, I do appreciate the update and transparency, I do not appreciate shifting the blame back to "ass-hat gamers".

Originally posted by PlainDosaa

HI since you are here and replying to posts can you please give us an update on any improvements happening to the servers please ?

Originally posted by BeBenNova

https://old.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/cquhsr/beware_respawnea_are_probably_going_to_walk_back/

Originally posted by Thannnos

So if you want everything, would it be cheaper to get the loot boxes?

Originally posted by [deleted]

So if you want everything, would it be cheaper to get the loot boxes?

Originally posted by SneakyParagon

A positive note for sure, but you will get no praise from me for fixing your mistakes. Lets just hope we can truly learn from them.

Originally posted by _full_metal

You know we would spend more money if the skins were cheaper.. like for example, weeks and weeks go by with me looking at $18 skins and having no interest to drop that kind of money on a cosmetic, however if they were half that price, I’d probably buy something out of every week.

Originally posted by DarwinMoss

Video game publisher Electronic Arts Inc reported better-than-expected first-quarter revenue on Tuesday, riding on the strength of its battle royale sensation "Apex Legends".

EA, however, expects second-quarter adjusted revenue of $1.23 billion,

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/apex-legends-drives-eas-quarterly-200428291.html

No wonder you guys can't afford real servers and feel the need to price gouge a game aimed at children and young adults.

Originally posted by Doomkauf

Part of the problem is that you set your initial price point so high that even your discounted prices are still too steep for most people.

For perspective, in another popular online game, Elder Scrolls Online, you can typically pick up new outfits for between $5-10, with only the super fancy ones matching the default Apex pricing by clocking in at around $18-$20. In both cases, those outfits are much more prominent and visible at all times than they are in a game like Apex; ESO is a social-heavy MMORPG, where you and others around you will spend a lot of time looking at your appearance, as opposed to only seeing it in a character select screen and very briefly during combat itself. So, to recap, they're A.) usually cheaper than your offerings and B.) offer more value to boot, even when priced similarly.

To look at a different, more PvP-centric game, you can take a look at World of Warships. While World of Warships has some comically expensive items for sale, for the price you charge for a Legend or weapon skin you can purchase yourself a decent mid-tier premium ship. That ship is essentially equivalent to a new Legend, and you can spend many, many hours learning the ins and outs of said ship and getting a unique new game experience out of it. While I realize this is a bit of an apples and oranges comparison, speaking as someone who plays both, it's relevant: I have zero interest in dropping $18 on a new skin for one of my weapons or Legends that I'll honestly rarely see when I could instead spend my money on a different game that offers me something much more substantial for the cost.

Originally posted by skraptastic

What I read was "Whales didn't buy enough apex packs to make up for everyone else not buying so we have to do something to get "pretend goodwill" from players.

Originally posted by Vorlonator

Yeah but he called "someone" a dick. Not you in particular.

Originally posted by asdgred

You are people, not very good people but people nonetheless.

Originally posted by daviss2

"Iv been in the industry long enough to remember when players weren't asshats to developers"

Oh.. Well I guess you can also remember when developers weren't money grabbing f**ks that scammed their players too? Free to play blah blah blah that doesn't give you any right to charge $20 for a skin you should be setting the tone for other company's to follow and stop f**king your player base who commit their time to play you're game. Good riddance to your game I loved it at release bought both season pass's lvl 100, hundreds hours but after seeing how greedy you got (no surprise really as you're ea's bitch) the games uninstalled and anything from you in the future can die as quickly as its released IMO. And f**k anyone that's saying this is better, like take there dick out your mouth and have some respect for yourself. Yes iv gone over the top and I can blame the whiskey all I like but iv gone from thinking oh shit these devs care to yep just as bad as ea's reputation. You had no choice but to answer "risky" comments so get the f**k off your high horse.

Edit 1- People think this is a troll post.. Its not. I admit I worded it wrong and I don't condone being disrespectful as I was but I'm fed up of company's pulling shit like this only to revert a few days/week later and acting like they didn't know this backlash would happen. Also was called a dick by a dev so my nights complete :)

Edit 2- Fixed grammar & thanks for silver. Surprised at how much shit my comment has caused but I'd type it all over again if it got the project lead to show his true colour.

Edit 3- link to screenshot of dev reply which he has since deleted, link courtesy of u/LordDiMask https://m.imgur.com/Vgq4xGQ

Originally posted by xcharybdisx

So just to be clear, you're not apologizing for the outrageous prices, the massive paywall, or the gambling. You're apologizing for not telling us about it first?

Originally posted by J04K0CL

Disabling votes tell something, Jay.

Originally posted by Atr3idus

I have a sincere question @dko5... by buying the battle pass each season, am I supporting the game in a way that makes it feasible to operate profitably? In other words, is $40-$50 / year per player enough to make this game work or is that not enough of a contribution?

I think of my purchase of the battle pass as my support for the game, rather than spending a lot of money for specific skins in a one-off event. But would be interested to know if I actually qualify as a real supporter at that contribution level.

Originally posted by QueerPrideForever

We're open and honest and doing the best we can.

so thats why it took you 3 days to show your face in this sub

Originally posted by Xeno_The_Chained

Amen. Sorry if my post came off as rude by the way.

Originally posted by DanTheMeegs

I’d wager that this game has made more than most $60 games already. If you add up your revenue, how many copies of Apex Legends @ $60 does it translate to? Close to 10 million?

At this point, there’s really no need to overprice stuff. You’ve made your money. $7 for a loot box is too high and $18 for a skin is too high. Halve those prices and you’re closer. You’ll probably get more players spending with lower prices too. Heck I’d probably buy a skin each fortnight or so if they were $5-$7 (and good)

Originally posted by Hypersite64

I just dont like how you can throw money at a limited time items and it's ok? Like what happen to earning your stuff like man modern warfare was soo good I miss doing that stuff but I guess we will never get that because of ea huh?

Originally posted by BasicallyMogar

Calling the reaction your playerbase had a temper tantrum in the same breath that your company is admitting they f**ked up with the pricing model is really disingenuous. Personal attacks suck, but the vast majority of the complaining I saw was about the content you guys are admitting was a misstep.

Originally posted by asdgred

Is that why you felt the need to tell us we have no idea how companies are run? Even though yours had to be saved by EA after two bombs? It's amazing how fortnite has managed to be as huge as it is without your surprise mechanics. Did you ever stop to think that your store would be better off if you had awesome skins in it like from this event more often instead of the generic recolors you charge $20 for? Maybe it's us who are wrong the whole time. Btw paying streamers to open your boxes so kids will buy them is still scummy.

Originally posted by Zesty__96

Thank you for your response finally, I know it takes a couple of days to collect data and such but it was pretty clear the way this was heading..

Marketing F2P is a fine art which is yet to be nailed, I hope you see this is the wrong way about it and stay true to your word about the releases going forward.

Edit: /u/Dko5 really drew the short straw on this one, the community can be harsh (including my post yesterday) you’re only human take it easy on here.

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Originally posted by Pm_Me_Your_Worriment

EA's paid shills out in full force on this thread. Yikes.

Edit: if you see someone commenting by the name of u/LB-2187 just ignore him. He is all over the thread doing some sort of bizarre form of anti-damage control. Don't waste your energy on arguing with them.

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Originally posted by Party_McHardy

Naw, they just made a f**k load of money off the whales, Dev even admitted it, and now theyre doing some damage control for the average player base

Originally posted by LordFarce

Hey man I'm just glad JayFresh is still alive. The silence from him killed us a bit

Originally posted by NiceUsernamesTaken

So you're using the good old "start two steps over the line and then give one step back so that people think you appreciate the criticism" right? f**k off with that nonsense.

Originally posted by AfghanFrmDaMountains

Here are some FULL games you can buy for $20 instead of spending it on a skin.

Rainbow Six: Siege

Warhammer: Vermintide 2

Stardew Valley

Rocket League

Terraria

'Dead by Daylight

Left for Dead 2

Sleeping Dogs

Cuphead

Borderlands 2

Detroit: Become Human

Minecraft (It's $27 but with Mods this is a game that you could play forever)

Overwatch (did not know it was $20 right now) This is one of my favorite games like ever.

Hollow Knight

Doom

Mount and Blade: Warband

Slime Rancher

My Friend Pedro

Hotline Miami 1&2 (beat one have not gotten around to two. f**kkkkkkking hard)

Also Game Pass. $15, 30 days, hundreds of games

All I'm saying is, spend wisely. :)

Edit: Wow My first gold and silver. Thank you anonymous ! My highest up-voted anything. Sucks that is has to be about loot boxes.

Edit 2: Adding a few games

Originally posted by EuropaWeGo

I appreciate the response to all of the wide spread complaints and concerns with the recent events pricing. It was very much needed.

Now with that being said. I do have a couple of questions as per the direction on expectations for the now.

My first question is are you wanting Battle Passes to be your main source of income or pricey events/loot boxes?

Also, the statement within this post and the responses by the developers in the comments. Seems to be clearly an attempt to paint a picture that more money is needed to keep the lights on. Which shouldn't be the case because unless the EA financial reports are fabricated. Then the overall revenue coming in from this game is greatly outpacing any type of potential expenses for the game and that includes future development. So why make it seem as if every penny is needed to keep development going when it isnt?

Edit: Grammar

Originally posted by hb305

Completely abhor this meager attempt to walk back the backlash. And then the immature “well you wonder why we don’t talk to the community more..?” Talking about how your playerbase is full of “asshats” and “dicks”.....in your apology post..... not a good look at all.

What a surprise, people reject money hungry tactics and tend to respond angrily...... not gonna garner any sympathy from me, nor any playing time, and SURELY no more money. Bought battlepasses 1 and 2, nothing ever ever again.

Add that to your statistics showing “great player involvement” from this mockery of an event.... 👋🏻

Originally posted by tluther01

For future collection events, we will provide more ways to obtain items than just buying Apex Packs.

hows about allowing us to earn more stuff from just playing? wild hunt was perfect you could earn a few things from playing and buy stuff if you wished. why did the devs even for a second think switching it up from the event most agreed was a well done event in the first place? if it wasnt broke why fix it?