This would be good for both the Firestorm crowd and the MP crowd. For Firestorm they'd have a new map.
For MP, they could set different playable areas on the map for Grand Ops. It basically makes one huge map be able to act like a couple smaller maps
External link →Never said fast. Also you never proved anything, just a tweet from possibly the least trustworthy developer in the industry. Why you still take DICE at their word is truly mind blowing.
13 months on one map for a game with a 2 year cycle isnt even remotely feasible. Think about it.
DICE has more than 600 employees and billions of dollars behind them, if it does take them that long to make a map, it's due to incompetence.
I am not a fan of the tone used in this thread, but I would like to defend my honor here since it seems like I am called not "trustworthy" or "incompetent".
It's true, a team of 4-5 people (1 Level Designer, 1-2 Environment Artists and 2 3D Artists) worked the majority of 13 months on Devastation. This includes lots of iteration, a concept phase, polish, a bit of waiting for outsourcing to finish the houses (which make a big part of the map), lots and lots of play testing, more iteration, 4 weeks of vacation for everyone. Making a map for a new game isn't a straight line from start to finish. Often you scrap certain areas completely and build them differently because the gameplay wasn't fun or you can't have it for performance reasons. Having that said, Devastation took the longest of all maps. Some other maps were done in 6 months. We also had a total of 7 MP level pods (2 to 5 people per pod). All 8 MP maps got built in a time frame of 1.5 years. The one pod that worked on two levels started first. So not all of those pods were assigned to the project for the whole time. Some pods joined 8-9 months before release.
As you can see a lot of things have their reason and logic to it. And no, we don't have 600 people that can work on maps nor do we have billions of dollars behind us (Check the financial calls data from EA for more information on that. It's public. ).
If you have any more questions or would like to know more, please feel free to ask, but please, use a more civil language. That goes for both of you. Treat each other with respect!
First of all, big props for replying to me when I was so evidently being an arse. It is commendable and respectable.
I never expected anyone at DICE to actually see my comments and, while it's not an excuse, I dont consider real world implications of online comments, like an actual DICE employee like yourself stumbling upon my comments.
I post about DICE as if it is a faceless corporation, backed by EA (who might not have billions but make alot of money), instead of a group of actual people, so nothing I say I mean personally.
Again, not an excuse, just an explanation.
The info you detailed was actually really interesting and I am obviously wrong and didnt know what I was talking about.
I'm sure you guys are all smarter and more talented than I am but I am coming from an emotional perspective when I talk about this game.
While I'm sure you and probably no single person is personally responsible, I do still believe there are valid reasons to call DICE, as a faceless whole, untrustworthy and even incompetent, especially after some things relating to BFV and SWBF2.
SWBF2 is an especially sore spot for me. Loved the originals, love Star Wars and love Dice games but was just utterly dissapointed by it. And it was compounded by the fact that the PC I played BF4 on couldn't run it so I bought a new PS4 and Console pretty much for SWBF2 alone.
As a consumer though, all of this stuff is impacting my judgement of the game and making me less forgiving to things I may have overlooked in the past, like BF4s launch for example.
This might all seem like a big digression or just random thoughts but I did feel like a dick having an actual person respond to my comments and I am just trying to explain how a range of compounding factors can lead to people like me just shitposting like I was.
Shiposts arent something I've ever had to deal with in my professional life. I imagine that must be a weird thing for you all. I hope you dont take them all personal and can understand people making them are probably just venting.
I also hope DICE gets the opportunity to do justice to all the work you have put in so far and make this game rival previous ones in terms of longevity. And that you all have a happy and healthy environment to do that in.
Treat each other with respect!
You are right. In future I will try to be more considerate of who might see my online comments. I'm also going to tag the other poster becuase, in retrospect, I do feel like I was at fault itt.
Edit: u/walrusowner you were right, I was talking out of my arse
Glad we could sort this out friendly. :) Don't worry too much. Skin grows thick quickly in this environment.^^
I understand your concerns in regards to DICE or the game. All I can really say is that we hear you all. When you are happy and unhappy. We are trying our best to become better ever day and make greater games that bring more joy to peoples life. Of course it's a business and we are a company, but at the end of the day, we only make money if people enjoy and keep enjoying our games.
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