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And it's no wonder Neowiz decided to go in house to publish Bless PC.

Compare the discord, twitter, main site for PC and console to see the difference between Round 8s competent effort to promote a game and BNEA's coasting till the inevitable shut down on console.

On Round 8's PC Discord, they have 4 CMs that post almost daily taking feedback and answering questions. Console discord has 2 CMs, Stormshade and Tommo. Tommo literally has not posted in 7 months, and Stormshade shows up once a blue moon, barely answers any serious questions, then says "Taking feedback" and goes back into hibernation. PC discord also has a biweekly Dev Q&A where players can get their questions directly answered by developers. Console discord has no such thing despite these CMs having communication with the same people.

Bless PC Twitter only posts important information in regards to the game. Majority of console twitter is basically retweets from random people and streamers.

Go to https://www.blessunleashedpc.com/news/dev to see they have monthly updates on what the developers are working on. The last time there was a developer update on the console site was May 12 2020.

https://blessunleashed.com/news/development-update-may-12-2020

All of this is to say BNEA is really bad/lazy and probably aren't communicating the real issues with console in a competent way to the developers seeing as how they're putting no effort into anything right now. Round 8 should take over the console side imo.

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over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

That is very unfair and a superficial observation. BandaiNamco is the only one listening to our feedback and fighting against decisions Neowiz makes that negatively affect the community. The same kinds of decisions that ran Bless Online into the ground. They have to fight for every scrap of information they give us. If we're not getting as much info from them, its because Neowiz is keeping it from them. Judging from this post, the sabotage is working

I sincerely worry about direction of the game after PC release when Neowiz makes decisions without BNEA involved. The whole move feels ungrateful after BNEA saved the franchise from fading away forever.

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by gdub8

why do people assume this Awaken update is coming to console, sure they may be updating things, but NOTHING has been confirmed that this update will hit console. Please give me written proof, because I haven't seen it..

Like how are they going to change a whole system with custom skill since we've been at it for a year.. They simply can't just start over...

As OP has said, they suck with communication..

I can confirm it for you now. Awakened is 100% coming to console

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by LithiumOhm

Bandai can't do shit if the devs don't tell them anything

Amen

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by Mr-McBoogerballs

I watch all your youtube vidz lol

Thanks ;)

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by gdub8

Well there it is...,lol, where have you been? !

I've got a bunch of real life stuff happening. Doing my best to be active here and on discords in the meantime

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by gdub8

God Speed man, hope things are well or work out to be well..

I appreciate it. It's getting there^

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by ragelark

No offense but you don’t even play the game anymore. You don’t participate in discord and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Been weeks since you’ve made a bless video and you’re an alleged preferred content creator so your obviously goinn to defend BNEA regardless. I’m not sure how you’re speaking like you’re some sort of authority.

I've never participated in the official discord because it has always been moderated like a drunken pub. I play, but I had to take a break, which doesn't somehow erase all of the hours and experience I put in. A lot of my videos don't make BNEA or the game look like peaches and lollipops. I call BNEA out on their bullsh*t as much as anybody, and I refused to become a PCC until they agreed that my opinions would never be censored. I've been on the inside track watching Neowiz try to sabotage their own project while BNEA has been trying to save it for months. I'm not an authority, but I do know some things, and if I'm not sure when I make a statement, I tell you I'm guessing

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by ragelark

I call BNEA out on their bullshit as much as anybody

Lol I've seen your videos and you don't. But I'll leave it at that.

I could link a few where I do but I'm not convinced the effort is worth the payoff

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by pingu11235

Hey I am somewhat sceptical about Awakened coming to console. Do you have any official word from Bandai that this is indeed true? I feel like this June update might be the make or break for Bless Unleashed. I hope that is not the case

Yes Bandai has confirmed it. It's definitely happening. Neowiz is contracted to keep all releases identical for all platforms. What PC gets, we get

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by LadyLukumms

My home is PC now but I'll post with this:

Round8 has been doing an amazing job at communicating development and ideas while making player feedback changes with each CBT / Update.

I was a 'PCC' for Bandai Namco as a lot of you are aware. As stated prior when I left the PCC when I told them to REMOVE ME was because of the complete lack of communication within the 'staff' discord. Minion you are aware of this first hand.

Stormshade was beyond a joke and had no idea how to talk to the community let alone raise serious concerns.

When I quit console I continued to help the PC team with testing Round8/Neowiz making Steam videos for promotion etc. Why? because they are at least trying to do the right thing. Sure they bombed on Bless Online but with clear transparency and constant communication in the PC BU discord it's to be admired.

The Console Discord is beyond a joke and has been out of touch for sometime I'm surprised they kept it going.

I'm waiting for the news BNEA just gets the s%##s and calls it a day.

Console was dead in July/August and remains dead to this day. Same people same same.

I am. There was a communication deadzone for several months between BNEA and the PCCs. It was frustrating for all of us. I feel that is beside the point when it comes to Neowiz's persistent MO of hyping with big promises and never fully delivering. The current influx of communication between Round8 and players also perfectly fits the Bless Online profile, and it down and became very frustrating shortly after launch. I wish people would be more wary before potentially buying snake oil

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by LadyLukumms

Yeah it's got nothing to do with Neowiz... I'm not getting involved in a he/said she/said argument though as I rarely come on here I like speaking 'facts' good or bad which most people know I speak my mind.

BNEA needs to step up as the publisher and either work with round8 to get the console back up to glory days or just come out and say: "This isn't our focus any more" which is fine business is business. But the shadow games...and the zero communication is disgusting.

As soon as I found out Round8 and Neowiz was working on PC back in 2020 June I dropped console so hard you have no idea.

I do stay up to date with how things are progressing with the people that remain on Console and the stories are all the same. "Same people Luke" "Waited in queue for 45 minutes".

With all the dungeon changes that was implemented...my god. My fear now is they will introduce 'Keys' to open as many chests as you want in the Lum store 'p2w' that's the only thing my brain can think about why they are locking content behind time. Many games in the past has done this exact same tactic to generate additional $$$ ...however we are jumping ahead.

Long story short - the PUBLISHER is to blame here not the developers said it before...will say it again. Stop pointing fingers at the developers when it's the PUBLISHER making final say. Educate yourselves.

I see Round8 and BNEA is the good guys here, because I see Round8 doing good things and I believe you can't be a dev without having some passion for your work. BNEA is a 3rd party publisher in this setup, more of an intermediary, with Neowiz being the primary publisher that makes most of not all executive decisions that affect the direction of the game.

Sadly BNEA has no say when it comes to design decisions. I don't know if someone was asleep at the negotiating table, but BNEA definitely should have way more influence on the direction of the game than it actually does.

From my perspective Neowiz is the publisher and carries the most responsibility for success or failure across all platforms

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by ragelark

Thanks for the info u/TheMinion256 thinks it's all Neowiz's fault but it's clear BNEA is horrible at communicating. Thanks for confirming.

In no way is that confirmation. It' a supporting opinion. When you act petty or smug towards me specifically, it puts me in an awkward position, because we are in my house right now. Comments like that provoking other users usually result in a warning, or I just remove the comment to keep it from turning into a fight, or I issue a temporary ban in extreme cases. I'm proud of thiss subredit being one of the least toxic BU environments because of these things. Since you targeted me specifically, doing any of those things would appear biased. So I would like to just ask you to respect that people may disagree with you, and that people may correct you when you appear misinformed, without the need for your feelings to get hurt. This entire post is not statement of an informed opinion, it is more of a lashing out, and we have rules against that here. If slander gets out of hand, I remove it. I hope we are clear.

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by ragelark

This entire post is not statement of an informed opinion

I'm not sure how you can call the opinion uninformed when it's based purely on information presented in the multiple medias of bless and has been confirmed by a prior PCC and current person on the PC team.

You can claim that BNEA are communicating well even though the evidence points to the contrary but I won't call your opinion uninformed. At the end of the day, you aren't invested in playing Bless, participating with bless community on discord, or even making content regarding bless when you're a PCC. So why should anyone hold your opinion as more factual than someone that does like Lukuums?

That's still just several people saying the same thing. There are also lots of people saying the opposite is true. Something being present in multiple medias doesn't mean no one is controlling the narrative and you shouldn't think for yourself. If you look at the established pattern by which Neowiz has operated in the last 7 years, you can see what's happening today.

I never claimed BNEA is communicating well. They're absolutely lacking. But when you consider that almost all of the information Neowiz provided for them to pass on has been inaccurate, I understand their hesitancy. When it comes to wanting the community to thrive and get their money's worth, I trust BNEA 100%. Neowiz has a long history of cold cash-grabbing, with short bursts of hype before a launch and then utter indifference shortly after.

I have a great deal of respect for Luke. He's a good guy. But his association with Neowiz potentially makes his opinion just as biased as you say mine is for being affiliated with Bamco. You gotta pick a lane. I am severely invested with Bless, even on days I wish I wasn't. I discuss it on multiple discords and moderate this subreddit every day. I answer questions about it in DMs everyday. I also still make Bless content, just not on youtube because what is the point of making guides just before a major update that changes a ton of core mechanics? I didn't want to just be doing opinion rants while we wait for Awakened

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by LadyLukumms

What have they ... 'not delivered on'?

Every single beta they had gone through the feedback AND made changes to those systems and continue to do so to this day. So I have no idea what you mean by this honestly. Do you mind to explain?

The way I see it, the remaining people will flock to PC and leave console where it is right now in the bin. It's unfortunate and I'm truly disappointed for the state of the game on console and the player base. But it's been poorly managed by BANDAI and the communication lacking was the icing on the cake.

Not trying to argue with you. Just want your point of view on the 'Not delivered on' comment.

It's cool I get it. I don't see this between us as an argument. It's a mutually respectful discourse. To me, the entire history of Bless Online is one of promising "this game will be great once we finish it, just hang in there!" until the hype and money ran out before the promises could be kept. Everytime thing's got tight, they picked up and released to a new region, and I worry this pattern is still in effect. Bless Unleashed was never really finished before being ported somewhere new. Roadmap and deadline after deadline got delayed or changed at the last minute. Not out of malice probably, but it appears very much that there are execs at Neowiz who highly overestimate what a human development team can realistically accomplish, and as a result Round8 are scrambling to get done and leaving gaps in the game and its mechanics to save time. And before they get time to fill the gaps, they get slammed with another unrealistic deadline. I find it heartbreaking to watch. When I worked as a dev we had tons of unpaid overtime and sometimes very little sleep, so I sympathize. A truely sustainable game requires well-rested devs and realistic milestones.

I'm 100% with you that Bandai has communicated poorly. Perfect examples are the dumpsterfire that is the official discord and the 3 months we PCCs were left wondering if we had been forgotten. But I do believe even with those failings, they want the community to get the game they deserve

As a specific example

over 3 years ago - /u/TheMinion256 - Direct link

Originally posted by The_Guitarist562

Honestly what didn’t they deliver on? They had several betas and are constantly making changes. The game is very different then when it first came out. Can you elaborate? Also not exactly sure why you felt the need to remind people that this was your house? Curious to know

Hi guitarrist. Sorry, that's just an expression. We expect everyone to be respectful of each other here, and when I feel someone is being disrespected I try to step in. When I feel disrespected specifically, it puts me in a weird position because this is my subreddit and no matter what action I take it could be construed as biased or petty.

Luke asked the same question about my comment on delivery. I hope it's ok to refer you to my response there rather than writing the same thing again.