[2023] TIME TO EXPLAIN - Was Bling a MISTAKE?! (feat. @KairosGaming ) | Brawl Stars Dev Tracker

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0s	foreign
5s	and it's time to explain so first we are
8s	gonna do like a mini retrospective about
10s	the update so like we are gonna go
12s	through what went right why did you do
15s	the things we do and
17s	um what went wrong and we're gonna
20s	discuss that we also want to have like
23s	some tasty sneak peek like something
25s	that you will only find here
28s	and at the end then we have like some
32s	questions that I collected from the
33s	community and I think our special guest
35s	of the day also has some uh questions
38s	for you and if you are not seeing
39s	anything on the screen now please Kairos
42s	introduce yourself
44s	thank you very much I'm so happy to be
46s	here I'm Karis time I create brawl Stars
48s	content if you guys don't already know
49s	and uh thanks for having me this is
52s	exciting yeah we are really excited to
54s	have you here and I think
56s	I don't want to praising too much but uh
59s	it might be one of the most important
61s	voices in our community would you say
63s	that I think it's fair yeah not the
65s	first statement
67s	I have beautiful hair yeah it's more
70s	beautiful than Cairo stems we'll just
72s	say that
75s	besides cairos we also have the same
77s	crew from uh before like we have Adrian
80s	tester game designer Frank game lead and
83s	V game designer like you don't need to
85s	introduce yourselves again that makes
87s	sense wow and go watch the last episode
89s	yes
93s	so with uh
96s	with this whole intro uh do you maybe
99s	want to comment like
101s	one overall thought of the update or
103s	should It Go bit by bit
107s	well are you good with me asking a quick
108s	question I was sure to start off with
110s	bling
111s	um so bling gives access to all sorts of
116s	cosmetic content that players just did
117s	not have access to before okay and
119s	that's really personally I love it it's
121s	exciting it's fun free to players can
122s	unlock pretty much everything that they
124s	want to with the very few exceptions I
126s	would kind of like to hear why you
128s	decided to open up the economy so wide
131s	to so many creators when a lot of other
133s	game developers from different games are
134s	restricting more and more content from
136s	their free to play players
139s	that's a big question
141s	that's a really big question
143s	um
144s	there's a bunch of reasons around this
147s	actually
148s	um
148s	to beginning
150s	I'd argue like we we always had this
152s	problem with our star Point economy
154s	take that as a starting point when we
157s	introduce star points and that's really
158s	long ago actually
160s	we had the issue that
162s	it came with a need to produce content
164s	along those star points
166s	right in the beginning we just actually
167s	I'm not sure how many people remember
169s	that
170s	but in the very beginning there was just
172s	skins
173s	there was nothing else you could buy for
175s	Star points
177s	and then there was Community feedback
178s	and we took that into consideration even
181s	back then
182s	and we change it so that you can buy a
185s	limited amount of boxes back then Mega
187s	boxes big boxes
189s	every few weeks
190s	and um
192s	then every now now and then we created
195s	some more skins to go long
197s	with this new system back then
200s	but we've really ended up like
202s	yeah we whenever we created the skin we
205s	ended up in a situation where we had to
207s	ask ourselves the question are we doing
209s	this for
210s	gems so we can monetize it
213s	or are we creating it for Star points
215s	that does something
217s	we don't actually really know what it
218s	does doesn't create more engagement when
220s	people can buy a skin for start points
224s	and if you take it a step back and you
226s	think about skin production
228s	is each skin depending on the effort
230s	we're putting in cost X USD
233s	right that's a very like cold business
235s	like
236s	perspective it's true but but it's
238s	there's a cost to produce a skin
241s	and of course you won't have a payback
242s	and let's let's assume you create a 149
244s	gem skin
245s	and you're like okay to to make this
247s	work
249s	this needs to sell x amount of
252s	skins for
254s	gems and those gems need to be paid
258s	gems because else we are not getting
260s	anything out of it right
262s	so
264s	and then you do the same
265s	and you create a skin for Starboy which
267s	has the same value proposition
270s	but you are selling it for nothing right
272s	that also needs to somehow come back
275s	and this coming back is then like two
277s	players retain longer are they creating
280s	an appetite for skins and then they
282s	start to buy other skins
284s	or does it do nothing
287s	and we I think we pretty quickly saw
290s	that it then didn't actually have a huge
293s	positive impact on our skin economy to
296s	do this
297s	so more often than not we were like oh
299s	yeah let's you know one of the Skins
301s	just like as a token gesture almost
303s	let's put one skin there
306s	and and eventually just became the power
308s	League that's pretty much all it was
311s	just exactly and that was actually quite
313s	a nice solution to this problem because
315s	it meant for the majority of players
318s	yeah I know there's this 0.01 percent of
320s	our player base which have always way
322s	too many Star points and had too many
324s	Star points in the past
325s	but this is you have to understand this
327s	is completely outlier it's it's really
330s	not a normal situation for anyone nobody
332s	in the team for example was in this
335s	situation
336s	it took me like I don't know
339s	I guess by our definition I'm on the
341s	lower end hardcore
343s	and I maybe when when we did the
345s	transition from Starbucks to bling I had
347s	maybe 100 000 star points saved up
350s	and they were like
352s	and then then they were like
355s	a few hundred players out of tens of
358s	Millions
359s	who had you know like
363s	significantly over half a million or so
365s	star points but it's completely outlier
367s	so for most people having this 25 000
370s	stop once again every season made a lot
371s	of sense
372s	and I worked really well and it was kind
374s	of in balance
375s	but for some people you know their
377s	balance also the way it is we designed
379s	it just kept creeping up
382s	and that was an issue it was an issue
384s	because Community especially the allowed
386s	guys
386s	for them it was like oh we need to you
388s	know you need to give us something we
390s	can buy for Star points and a lot of
392s	other people were like oh it's pretty
393s	lame we can only buy this one skin every
395s	season or so
397s	yeah not a great solution and then when
400s	we started thinking about it more we we
401s	thought like
403s	could we actually open up most of the
406s	skins for bling
408s	and instead of controlling what you can
411s	buy
412s	control have better control over the
415s	amount of income people have
417s	because that was always the fear right
418s	if we give too much free stuff the game
421s	doesn't become sustainable anymore
423s	so if we if we and then we don't get
425s	brawl anymore yeah exactly exactly so
427s	this all about sustainability in the
429s	long run right we want this game to be
431s	long term
433s	and in order to do so we need to
435s	monetize it so how can we find the sweet
437s	spot where we
438s	we give you know free stuff to people
441s	and more choice
443s	while at the same time making sure that
444s	uh we are still sustainable and this is
448s	the balance we found and then we thought
450s	like okay
451s	previously people got like six power
453s	League skins per year
455s	uh we are not creating new skins so that
458s	is kind of the hard cap for people
459s	actually what to do with star points
461s	so more than
463s	150 000 star points would do nothing for
466s	you it would just increase your balance
467s	but it would do nothing
470s	so instead going to so we discussed like
473s	a hardcore player how much should they
475s	get and we said eight six skins they get
479s	already a plus two
480s	and that's a 149 jump skins
483s	or the equivalent of that and it felt
485s	like a really nice balance to have there
487s	again understanding that most people do
489s	not
490s	or did not get in the past 25 000 star
493s	points per season that's already you are
496s	smaller than top five percent of our
498s	playways
500s	so so yeah
502s	so it felt like the best solution out of
504s	all two
505s	kind of give people more choice
508s	while controlling how much people can
510s	actually buy so we're not screwing our
512s	economy over
514s	and here we are well how does the team
516s	feel about it now then like it's in
518s	retrospect was the right decision is it
520s	kind of causing any issues with uh how
523s	much revenue is actually coming in or is
524s	it good we don't know yet okay
527s	so these things take more time than
529s	people think that they do yeah like we
532s	we expected before we release this
534s	update you know with the introduction of
535s	the catalog as well
537s	we expect that a lot of people will go
540s	and start buying
541s	the Skins they always wondered or the
544s	the pins they always wanted or whatever
545s	whatever it is because on the past you
547s	were like reliant on luck that it showed
549s	up in your store
550s	or that you had a pin back where it was
552s	included or what not
554s	and since we removed this barrier
557s	so you just just imagine in the past you
559s	you unlocked a brawler you really wanted
564s	but no skin for this Brawlers in the
566s	shop
567s	and then you know when back then when we
569s	had 25 skins having the skin rotation
571s	that made a lot of sense because you
572s	waited maybe a week to see that skin you
575s	wanted
576s	but now we have three hundreds in the
578s	game of skins in the game
580s	which means
581s	you know it might never show up
585s	and that's how it felt so by removing
588s	this barrier we of course that means
590s	that people who want to pay for content
593s	now they unlock the brawler they want
595s	and then they can just go to the catalog
598s	to buy the skin the pin whatever they
601s	want for this product right and we
603s	expected that this will increase
604s	temporarily at least
606s	the revenue from cosmetic content
611s	um so and because of this effect which
613s	we expected it's impossible to tell it
616s	if
618s	this whole thing pays off or not if it
620s	works or not
622s	but yeah I guess Community sentiment
623s	wise that's of course was a really
625s	positive for us yeah and the majority of
627s	people of course like the system I know
629s	that some people were like I mean Danny
631s	can talk more about the community center
632s	band yeah I guess like uh the the thing
635s	is that as Frank said like before they
638s	were getting six from parley right the
640s	hardcore players and now they are
641s	getting more it's like regardless like
643s	if you think like um the Skin's got uh
646s	the price of these Kings is more
648s	expensive than before where we are
650s	getting more overall it's like it's what
652s	but I think the problem is that it's
654s	hard to visualize right I think it's
656s	hard to feel that you are getting more
658s	because it's like a to the course of a
661s	year and then I think like the puzzle
663s	that we're always trying to figure out
664s	is like
665s	uh we have like this budget of link that
668s	you can deliver in one year what is the
670s	exact Cadence that will make you feel
672s	that you are progressing towards and
674s	then you uh you feel that every time you
677s	get bling it's meaningful right because
679s	now we have like the trophy reset which
681s	gives like very little but like of
682s	course it's like the precursor of the
683s	the year and then um and then there's uh
687s	Power league and then we did some
688s	challenge just like to uh promote the
691s	feature as we release it uh but then
694s	like what is the actual number or like
696s	what is the Cadence that you make like
699s	uh meaningful for every time you get
701s	bling you're like yeah I'm excited I'm
703s	progressing like it's very hard to tell
705s	because it could be like I don't know is
707s	it too but it's every day it's like 100
710s	but uh every week like how can we really
713s	uh find this uh
716s	uh unicorn number especially because
718s	like there are so many sources of bling
720s	so I guess that's where like we're
722s	tweaking and like once you find The
724s	Sweet Spot I guess that's how we are uh
727s	keeping it but uh but overall like bling
731s	for the community it is like a really
733s	nice feature because basically you can
736s	get the skin you want for free right and
738s	um
739s	and pins before if you had a specific
742s	bra you wanted to get pins for you
744s	couldn't choose you just open up a pin
745s	pack and then it's like one of yeah 300
748s	pins that you might be able to get and
750s	hopefully it's that one that you want
752s	yeah so now you can just go to mortise
753s	and be like having all of mortises fins
756s	because I like mortise right yeah and I
758s	I think I also like one of the arguments
759s	of like why we believed ping was like
762s	the right call is because before when
764s	you have like bro talk or like we're
766s	promoting the update we this section of
769s	the update is only for uh five percent
772s	of the players right schemes like
774s	because you see this King being released
776s	and like I'll never get that I'll never
777s	pay for this uh like I would rather buy
780s	the broadcast because like that's a
781s	clear offer that you should buy if you
783s	have like very little money or very
785s	little opportunity to purchase something
787s	and then with bling it's like you see
791s	the Skins like I can buy this unless
793s	it's a legendary or a Mythic but uh you
796s	give like um
798s	such a huge uh tool to promote the
801s	update right now this part of the update
803s	is interesting for everyone so that's
805s	like the the payoff that we want to
808s	achieve I mean fundamentally when you
810s	think about it for a majority of the
811s	players it goes from I can never get
813s	this to I can get this yes that's a big
815s	change yeah that's huge
819s	now you have bling that you can just
821s	like you're no longer forced to get the
823s	skin that came in the world pass you can
825s	get whatever skin you want so even more
827s	Choice which is awesome and that's also
829s	a win-win there actually yeah because in
831s	the past we always had to ask ourselves
832s	the question okay we only have so many
834s	low Rarity Brothers
836s	for for introducing skins and because
839s	you used to get the brother too because
840s	you used to get the brawler which is of
842s	course so what you're saying is you had
843s	to release skins that were low Rarity
845s	Brawlers because not everybody had like
847s	you know Leon you couldn't do a skin for
849s	Leon in the building correct that
850s	correct yeah and now
853s	this is kind of a win-win we're kind of
855s	if you just want the same experience you
857s	had in the past you can just on day one
859s	of the broadcast I got the broadcast you
862s	get the link currency to buy the skin we
864s	release on day one
866s	and then you you know you have the same
869s	experience you had before
871s	but if you don't like that skin
873s	you know buy something else for it but
875s	the funny thing is that I saw some
877s	Confluence complaints about this and
879s	then of course like we read everything
882s	and we feel that every feedback is
884s	important but dude
886s	like because they're like oh it's not
888s	like the same feeling I'm buying this
890s	past but doesn't feel like it belongs to
892s	the FedEx
893s	but that's the kind of feedback like
895s	yeah maybe like it's better for like 99
898s	of the people so you're fine not
900s	addressing your concern no
903s	yeah it's always it's always a
905s	a fine balance this whole you know there
907s	was this whole conversation about oh the
910s	increased prices for some skins or what
912s	not
914s	but when we when we when we did this
916s	exercise also changing the price because
918s	the prices for startup and things were
919s	completely wet before okay there was no
921s	yeah they were no real structure to it
923s	no real logic so we we fixed that
925s	but at the same time people of course
927s	feel like oh the skin is now twice the
929s	price okay I understand it if you're
931s	transitioning from the old world into
932s	the new world there's this awkward
934s	moment that or I could just buy the skin
937s	for 25 000 star points
939s	and that's five thousand bling so this
942s	this Awkward Moment is there but looking
944s	forward
945s	right it's much clearer for everyone and
947s	at the same time
949s	we again we didn't take away
952s	the any amount of skins you could get
955s	and in fact we increased it from six to
957s	eight
958s	and and so for us we focused on what
960s	what do you get not
961s	or what what can you possibly unlock not
964s	necessarily
965s	what is the what is the price tag for
967s	that because it doesn't matter as long
968s	as we give you the currency to get that
971s	stuff yeah and yes if you're if you're
973s	playing today and you're hardcore like
976s	you were before you had to be hardcore
977s	to unlock those six skins before
979s	right if you're if you hardcore like
982s	that then today you will get enough to
984s	get these six skins plus two
987s	yeah I guess like uh can I put you on
990s	the spot fee because I know you had some
992s	concerns yeah actually I was gonna speak
994s	up about this I think like one of the
995s	hard things about this
998s	um putting bling in that you know was
1000s	certainly brought up during development
1002s	was you know Cosmetics fundamentally
1005s	don't do not have a gameplay impact
1009s	and uh as you know you know we've had
1012s	Cosmetics from the very early days of
1014s	the game and so there is some part of me
1018s	that is asking the question well if if
1021s	Skins are now kind of very free to play
1024s	friendly like most of our skins are
1025s	purchasable with this currency
1028s	um
1028s	in some regard I wonder if the people
1031s	who bought them with gems
1034s	um particularly recently I guess uh
1038s	whether they still feel their value has
1041s	been preserved because part of the
1043s	reason people buy skins is to show off
1045s	they show off to other people they say
1047s	hey like I like this game so much and
1049s	this is so much that I was willing to
1050s	spend money on this and we do lose some
1053s	of that and cosmetics fundamentally like
1056s	we said are our shows show off pieces in
1058s	a lot of ways whether it's showing off
1060s	that you really like a particular skin
1062s	whether it was you had to really work
1064s	hard to earn one such as through the
1066s	power League system and that is also uh
1070s	we need to consider respecting those
1072s	players for spending the time and effort
1075s	as well as the money to to actually get
1077s	those and so we don't obviously this is
1080s	still only about a month in we'll see
1083s	how things turn out from a you know
1085s	metric standpoint but it is something
1087s	that you know philosophically I wonder
1090s	about
1092s	and that was also one of the reasons why
1094s	we decided to
1096s	not only have tears of skins which are
1099s	like we had legendary skins right the
1101s	299 gem skins which we decided from the
1103s	get-go know here we have to draw the
1105s	line somewhere
1106s	and this is where the line is and and
1109s	these Skins are really for people you
1110s	know like
1111s	depending on the type of skins you have
1113s	there's a different percentage of the
1116s	gems which monetize actually
1117s	like for example 30 gem skins or 29 gem
1120s	skins these days the percentage of free
1123s	gems behind those is really high
1126s	that makes sense so so just imagine like
1128s	I'm making this number up okay but it's
1130s	in a ballpark 80 free gems 20 Page jumps
1134s	for 30 Dem skins for 299 gem skins
1138s	it's almost like it's more than the
1140s	reverse okay
1142s	so the vast majority is paid gems
1144s	because these are people you know no no
1146s	free to play player essentially is ever
1148s	buying
1149s	a 299 gem skins for gems yeah you got to
1152s	save up for Four Seasons yeah eight
1154s	months of saving up gems for one skin
1156s	it's not worth it when you have the
1157s	brawl pass yeah it's absolutely not yeah
1159s	so first we wanted to preserve the
1161s	feeling there that okay it really help
1163s	us you know those Skins are the most
1165s	valuable skins in the game
1167s	your your help is running the game we
1169s	protect your purchase in a way
1171s	and and then we we for a while actually
1174s	well we only introduced the 100 199 gem
1177s	skins now
1178s	we're actually toying with that idea for
1180s	a long time already
1182s	because we always had the skin like this
1184s	is a really really cool skin we're
1186s	putting a lot of effort in it's not
1188s	quite a legendary it doesn't have custom
1190s	vo or anything like this but everything
1192s	else is it's legendary you know
1195s	and when when we this this whole
1197s	transition and also introduce Rarities
1198s	what just felt like oh this is the right
1200s	moment to do it
1202s	and then also would agree with that you
1203s	know I'm actually impressed or surprised
1206s	that you guys didn't increase some of
1208s	the tiers that were already in the or
1209s	some of the skins that were already in
1210s	the game like Ice Queen Amber she
1212s	absolutely could have been one I don't
1214s	want to put ideas in your mind don't
1215s	change it now but there were some skins
1218s	that I was like you know what I could
1219s	have seen them doing that and I don't
1220s	know that I could have complained about
1221s	it like hey buyer now because she's
1224s	gonna cost more afterwards that would
1225s	have been fine with me but you're right
1227s	there were some skins that what that 199
1229s	tier it honestly feels natural I think
1232s	that's good
1233s	um V to kind of respond to some of your
1235s	questions or some of your concerns I
1237s	mean I can't speak for everybody but I
1238s	do spend more money on the game than
1240s	most people do and maybe maybe I'm not
1243s	the actual right person because I just
1244s	buy everything
1246s	you know I don't think that one skin but
1249s	um I do think that having that that
1251s	Mythic and that legendary Rarity is
1254s	really good there and you know also just
1256s	from the games perspective I like the
1258s	fact that people are gonna we're gonna
1260s	start seeing more skins in the game more
1263s	frequently and I think that overall
1265s	skins will be more celebrated as opposed
1267s	to being like Oh that guy's a gemmer
1270s	like I lost him probably because he
1272s	spent money on the game you know and now
1274s	it's like oh that could just be some
1276s	dude that just saved up his bling for
1278s	his specific skin so I think it's
1279s	exciting might even encourage more
1281s	spending I don't actually know if that's
1282s	actually the case though yeah that goes
1284s	a little bit back to what Donny was
1285s	saying about like
1287s	in the past whenever we we made the
1290s	effort to please these cool skins and
1292s	even in Brawl talk we're talking about
1293s	these skins and on social media we're
1295s	talking about every skin release
1297s	and all of that effort when they do
1299s	essentially we did it for like less than
1302s	five percent of our playbase yeah so so
1305s	and now it's a cool moment for everyone
1307s	in the game when we release a new skin
1309s	yes I know there's still the blackout
1311s	period again it has to do with like
1313s	balancing
1314s	the needs of our place was our own you
1318s	mean a two-week period that they're not
1319s	able to purchase exactly this is again
1322s	it's like to to this point like to
1325s	preserve a moment for people who really
1326s	want to show off
1327s	here's your moment
1329s	and that's fine you know I was like to
1331s	be honest I'm I'm totally in this camp
1333s	it's like there's only skins for
1335s	Brawlers are rarely using where I'm like
1337s	waiting those two weeks like the the 30
1340s	gem skins now for example I I just was
1342s	like oh yeah you know I really don't
1344s	need this because I have other skins but
1346s	I wanted for my collection yes so so I
1349s	buy it a little bit later for bling
1352s	I think I think this but everything else
1353s	I'm buying directly for money yeah and I
1355s	think like uh it was one of the
1357s	feedbacks you gave on The 100 Review uh
1360s	right cairos that you said like maybe
1361s	the two-week uh period is too long but I
1365s	guess like uh our uh argument against it
1368s	is like what we did is something
1370s	incredibly risky like we pick like our
1374s	monetization exclusive content and we
1377s	slash 80 now it's for everyone for free
1380s	it's like to have like these little
1382s	two-week period I think it's something
1384s	that's acceptable yeah yeah and I maybe
1387s	it's annoying yeah maybe but it's fair
1389s	yeah yes it's also it's annoying right
1392s	for me as a spender who like I have
1394s	bling and I want to spend it on and so
1396s	I'm now I'm sitting there like I could
1397s	just buy this skin or I could wait two
1399s	weeks like I want to wait two weeks like
1400s	the skin should already be mine I
1401s	already have the bling for it so it is
1403s	annoying but I will give that to you I
1406s	recognize the decision behind it and it
1408s	does make sense and you're right what
1409s	you decided to do was very risky key to
1412s	completely open up all the you know the
1416s	Cosmetics that were not available to
1417s	free to play players I think more people
1420s	are going to be happy with the two-week
1421s	period than are going to be upset about
1423s	it yeah and I think uh also I forgot I
1427s	was going to say so move on sorry we
1429s	talked a lot about bling as well maybe
1431s	we should talk about something else I
1432s	guess overall blink what's a nice thing
1434s	uh what would be like the the real
1436s	concerns like maybe the blackout period
1438s	was something uh maybe the distribution
1441s	is a problem that we need to solve still
1444s	um well I think that a lot of people and
1447s	uh you guys had already kind of touch on
1448s	this is that the power League Skins are
1452s	there's a lot of requirement for the
1455s	power League skin you have to get 60
1456s	wins that's on top of you know 60 wins
1459s	throughout the season that doesn't sound
1460s	bad because literally it's just one win
1463s	every day that's all you have to do and
1465s	if you win twice on a day then you don't
1468s	have to play the next day it's not hard
1469s	but most players don't play like that
1471s	they either grind it out right at the
1473s	very beginning or grind it out right at
1475s	the very end and that's really
1475s	frustrating because on top of that those
1478s	60 wins they also have to do daily
1480s	quests Club League
1482s	um they have map maker special events
1484s	and a lot of different ways that they're
1485s	wanting to spend their time on the game
1486s	and doing that is a big time requirement
1488s	and then on top of that the price was
1490s	increased from 25 000 star points which
1494s	is the equivalent of 2500 bling up to
1497s	5000 bling which is twice that amount
1500s	um and so you know you already kind of
1503s	addressed these concerns but how does
1504s	the team feel about the seasonal power
1507s	League skin at the moment because for me
1509s	personally as a gemmer I would be fine
1511s	if you could just buy it immediately
1513s	with or without the power leagues did it
1515s	wins and then have a discount so if you
1519s	get the 60 wins then it gets discounted
1521s	a little bit but
1522s	you've already talked about how this
1526s	whole bling concept was around the pro
1528s	players previously getting six skins and
1530s	now getting eight so like
1532s	this would essentially double that from
1535s	6 to 12 which is more than you you
1537s	bounce it around so what are your
1539s	concerns yeah yeah that that that part
1541s	you touched on it again we we didn't
1544s	think of it as the
1547s	in a way that like what is the the
1549s	influx of currency
1551s	we just changed the the whole the whole
1554s	calculation and looked at it from what
1556s	do players actually get
1558s	so you weren't looking at the number of
1559s	bling you were just looking we want to
1561s	go from six skins per year to eight
1564s	skins per year that's right and 50 000
1566s	or 5 000 bling just happened to coincide
1569s	with that eight skins per year yeah that
1572s	that
1573s	um this whole calculation again was as I
1575s	touched on as well the the economy for
1577s	Starbucks was Wick there was no you know
1580s	if you looked at the different skin
1581s	tiers and the price it did not make
1583s	sense and it was not in line with
1585s	everything else and the moment you know
1588s	like first we we started with how many
1590s	skins do we want to give for free that
1592s	was the first question we asked actually
1593s	not to put this underlying currency
1595s	should we rebalance things no no it was
1598s	what is the amount of free skins we can
1600s	give to all players if they're really
1601s	really engaged
1603s	and we ended up with the number eight
1605s	and there was different numbers in the
1607s	room you know there were slime oh maybe
1608s	three
1609s	or maybe 12. and and we argued about
1612s	this quite a bit actually quite a bit
1613s	Yeah so so people people pulling in
1616s	different directions
1618s	um
1619s	and and the eight was a compromise it
1621s	was it felt like okay people already get
1623s	six
1624s	essentially if the hardcore rates those
1626s	are the six public ones
1628s	so let's give everyone a little bit more
1632s	and that was the number eight it's like
1635s	felt like a really good step in the
1637s	right direction again this pricing and
1639s	this change from
1641s	this doubling the price for for the the
1644s	power League skin it's very
1646s	that's it's in my head it's almost a
1648s	little bit of an obscure argument and I
1650s	know emotionally it feels like that yeah
1652s	but practically speaking people are
1655s	getting more
1656s	and and so for me like
1659s	we cannot just half the price or give a
1662s	discount when you play through it
1663s	because again it throws a whole economy
1665s	Wick again
1666s	it would like in fact it would
1669s	it does it doesn't work
1671s	financially it just does not work right
1673s	and so so we cannot or I see I see a
1677s	similar argument when people say oh just
1678s	give my bling no no we cannot just yeah
1682s	it's it's doing the same like we ended
1685s	up with eight as the number so whatever
1687s	we do yeah this number will like
1690s	unlikely change I mean we have to look
1692s	at the data of course to be honest it
1695s	could go either way you know we could
1697s	end up saying oh we can be a bit more
1699s	generous or we can say no we need to be
1701s	a bit more stingy
1703s	and of course that is never a nice
1705s	conversation with the community to say
1706s	oh look guys we're taking something away
1709s	we're we're actually going back to six
1713s	but it's it's like I don't I don't want
1716s	to be an [ __ ] but it's a it's a
1717s	potential
1719s	it's a potential reality we need to look
1721s	at well because and yeah you're not
1723s	saying that because you want to be mean
1724s	or anything like that it's the fact that
1726s	the game needs to be sustainable long
1728s	term and if it's not then you can't keep
1730s	developing the game and then we no
1732s	longer get brawl stars and so that's
1734s	what you're saying we need to preserve
1736s	the game that's the number one uh
1738s	concern and if you can give away free
1740s	Cosmetics along the way and it still
1742s	makes sense you want to because that's
1744s	fun and exciting gets people hyped about
1746s	the game so I think that people
1747s	understand that I just think that it's
1749s	easy for them to lose sight of that yeah
1750s	and if you like fast forward a year from
1753s	now
1754s	the the amount of people who will still
1756s	think in terms of oh double the price
1760s	that that will if you just join the game
1762s	today
1764s	you you the majority of people will play
1766s	next year started today
1768s	they didn't start before the changes
1771s	they started today
1772s	so in a year from now these people will
1775s	grow up with a oh we get eight free
1777s	skins
1778s	and that's it and they don't care on us
1780s	like again this whole Starpoint argument
1783s	is like it's it's again it's whack
1785s	because we also gave so many Star points
1787s	which were essentially meaningless
1790s	and that's and people also realize that
1792s	right they realized oh great I'm getting
1794s	star points from this challenge but it
1796s	doesn't do anything
1797s	because I cannot buy anything for it
1799s	because when when we introduced them we
1802s	didn't do a good enough job with the
1804s	economy and making sure that this is
1806s	sustainable and we actually can produce
1808s	a Content there were a few other
1811s	conversations part of it like and that
1813s	was even before power League when I was
1815s	a power play
1816s	that the the top 100 player on earth got
1819s	a ginormous amount of stuff yeah like
1822s	it's like philosophically it was a nice
1824s	idea
1825s	but but practically speaking it created
1828s	more and more school economy of star
1829s	points yeah I think uh one one of the
1833s	things one of the reasons I loved this
1835s	podcast format is uh because a lot of
1838s	people in the community don't
1841s	necessarily understand the day-to-day of
1843s	what game developers do there's there's
1845s	gap of knowledge between what people see
1848s	and perceive and the day-to-day
1850s	decisions we have to make in order to
1852s	arrive at those and when the Gap kind of
1854s	exists
1856s	um people might call us names they might
1859s	um speak ill will of us because they
1863s	don't understand and and also it's
1865s	really hard for us to explain everything
1866s	because we don't have so much time we
1868s	have to develop the game and you know
1871s	this is one of those things where it's
1872s	like well you know when we're tuning the
1874s	economy what is the right number we
1876s	should be tuning for well it's not that
1879s	everybody just gets everything for free
1880s	okay so we know that extreme and it's
1882s	not that they get nothing
1885s	um so it's somewhere in the middle and
1886s	that middle thing is really hard to
1889s	hammer it on we debate and you should
1892s	see the spreadsheets where we go back
1894s	and forth as to what is the right you
1896s	know model what is the right assumptions
1898s	what the people feel they should get
1901s	versus what they actually get and
1904s	there's not only like a numerical number
1906s	that we look to because we have to
1908s	actually put that number in but the
1909s	players don't look at the necessarily
1912s	look at the actual physical numbers
1914s	they're they go off a feel
1916s	yeah and so in order to get that field
1919s	overlap this is where kind of art meets
1921s	science
1922s	um and maybe this is the reason I love
1924s	working game development uh personally
1926s	is that how do we get there and and
1928s	every day is kind of like maybe a new
1930s	challenge
1932s	um and this is just one of those things
1933s	where it's like hey if we tune it to
1935s	strength you know to be too stingy you
1938s	know we'll assess it and we'll we'll
1939s	we'll change it but when people say ah
1942s	they were just trying to be greedy
1943s	therefore they do this at least
1945s	understand that that is not our
1947s	intention with this we're trying to get
1949s	to the right balance yeah as you should
1952s	see the message I sent to the like V if
1956s	you do this the community is called It's
1958s	Gonna burn us alive that's true then
1961s	he's like okay I've sent messages like
1963s	that to me as well I'm just kidding
1965s	tyros has sent me these paragraph
1967s	responses as a result of life
1970s	I ask him one line and he goes and he
1973s	goes ah you know I started typing
1975s	something yeah and I guess I took the
1976s	paragraph so here you get my math and he
1979s	just goes boom and I'm like spending
1981s	like a half an hour just processing what
1983s	he's saying and most of the time I
1985s	appreciate actually all the time I
1986s	appreciate it because I know that you're
1987s	very passionate and you you know wanna
1990s	want to do right by the community and
1991s	into the game and so you know it's just
1994s	a matter of reconciling that properly
1995s	it's it's still a half an hour that I
1997s	took away from your life
2000s	yeah I appreciate it
2002s	okay I guess you can move on
2005s	but overall we're happy with blinked yes
2008s	I think that's that's uh yeah it's like
2010s	a red bling uh nine out of 10. well he's
2014s	awesome yeah I know that's great I like
2016s	to hear that that's fantastic
2018s	can you hear this sound Kairos
2021s	oh no I can't hear that but that's I I
2024s	imagine you did something hilarious
2025s	you'll be surprised you'll be surprised
2028s	yeah
2030s	okay sounds good
2032s	so I guess we can I don't know if you
2034s	want to talk about the trophy reset and
2035s	power League reset because I mean that's
2037s	really closely associated with bling but
2040s	I think that a lot of people do have
2041s	strong feelings about trophy League
2043s	reset and power League reset
2046s	um and so how is the team feeling about
2049s	it I don't have a specific question you
2051s	guys started with a two-week reset it
2053s	was clear that the things weren't
2055s	feeling exactly how people wanted it to
2056s	be and so you bumped it to a one month
2058s	reset yeah and um how are you feeling
2061s	now I want Frank
2064s	I want Frank to see it first because I'm
2066s	gonna disagree with uh I'm gonna
2070s	disagree live
2073s	Frank's already on the device
2077s	well originally it was more it was
2079s	mostly
2080s	we were mostly coming from a point where
2082s	there were two pieces to it
2084s	it was the one piece of limiting the
2087s	amount of brawlers
2089s	and the other piece is the Cadence of of
2091s	when when it resets
2095s	and we felt like we have a lot of
2097s	short-term goals now in the game where
2100s	you like I like that we we have a bunch
2102s	of small things in the game which are
2104s	like you know today oh I'm playing a
2106s	little bit I'm unlocking another
2108s	broadcast here
2110s	I'm playing a few days I'm getting a
2112s	Mastery level
2114s	stuff like that
2115s	and then we have them really close to my
2117s	next bling skin so I'm gonna push my
2118s	trophies up so that I can get that skin
2121s	and then in the past we have this
2122s	two-month Cadence of the power League
2124s	which was mostly then built about this
2126s	big reward even though now we removed it
2128s	also to smaller Milestones so that you
2130s	get the reward right away when you hit a
2132s	new public tier
2134s	and then last note but not least um
2137s	so so these these things like
2141s	it's nice to have these little goals you
2142s	can work towards do right
2144s	and then we wanted to have like a
2147s	a midterm goal which is not quite the
2149s	length of a broad pass like it was in
2151s	the past
2152s	so then we thought okay let's just have
2154s	a more frequent reset actually quite a
2156s	few people asked for that before already
2159s	so let's transition to that and
2162s	somewhat arbitrary we decided to go with
2164s	two weeks because I'm sure you remember
2166s	the times when it was weekly
2168s	so yeah so it felt like now weekly is
2170s	definitely too fast but maybe bi-weekly
2172s	is good enough
2174s	and then we had the conversation about
2177s	yeah we keep we keep adding more
2179s	Brawlers if we keep resetting all those
2180s	Brawlers
2181s	all the time it becomes harder and
2183s	harder and harder and harder and harder
2185s	as we introduce new Brawlers
2187s	so going away from this was then okay
2190s	let's also reset less Brawlers
2192s	and let's just focus on number X and
2195s	after talking to our data science team
2197s	we ended up with a number 20.
2199s	that felt like a reasonable amount of
2201s	brawlers to push in a two-week period
2205s	um and at the same time then we changed
2206s	the reset table as well
2209s	of course we removed some tiers we tried
2211s	to simplify it actually that was the
2213s	intent make it simpler more clear change
2216s	the reset thresholds a little
2218s	well and then we ran with it for one
2220s	season
2221s	two weeks and we quickly realized that
2224s	uh no this doesn't work
2226s	and then we adjust it immediately almost
2230s	actually yeah we're still in the second
2232s	season though which I will say brawl
2235s	stars is I feel like this is a really
2237s	smart decision on the team's part is to
2239s	not like really quickly backtrack and
2241s	change things immediately as soon as
2243s	he's noticed because sometimes things
2244s	are fine over time yeah and so for you
2246s	guys to like immediately go back and
2248s	change it within the middle of the
2249s	update to me I was like oh there's it's
2251s	clear that things aren't hitting things
2252s	well and you know really props to the
2254s	team for making that change because it
2256s	did feel
2257s	it just didn't feel quite right I don't
2259s	know because I like the two-week reset
2261s	but
2262s	there were issues so sorry for
2264s	interrupting I just no no no this is
2266s	good on the team that's it's one of
2268s	these things where I I actually
2271s	I think we realized something as part of
2273s	this process there's two very
2276s	distinctive group of people
2277s	there's almost everyone and then there's
2279s	again a small group of the top one
2282s	percent of our players or so
2284s	and they would like things to be more
2286s	hardcore
2287s	but the majority of our players are not
2289s	hardcore
2290s	and and so that leads to the situation
2293s	where
2294s	some sometimes it's very we have to make
2296s	this we're listening a lot we're reading
2298s	a lot of bows Twitter Reddit YouTube
2300s	comments people on slack from the grader
2303s	group trying to you know concile all
2306s	that feedback and and try to do
2308s	something with it
2309s	but at the end of the day
2311s	the majority of our players are not that
2313s	group
2314s	and they they feel the game very
2316s	differently and even myself you know in
2318s	this first season I was like hell this
2321s	is stressful I don't have that much time
2323s	to play right now and now I'm gonna the
2326s	rosette is so harsh
2328s	and the reward doesn't feel great and it
2332s	just felt bad for us internally as well
2334s	and of course the players reflected that
2336s	on social media and then I'm I made this
2339s	post on Twitter about it and people gave
2341s	their comments which was to be honest
2343s	pretty much in line with what we were
2344s	thinking
2345s	and then it was just clear like we need
2347s	to make this more casual friendly
2349s	while at the same time keeping the
2351s	spirit of this alive
2353s	and so we changed it to four weeks
2356s	went down to 10 Brawlers so to make it
2359s	much more maintainable for people to
2361s	actually
2363s	um and and change the reset table to
2364s	just one trophy under your previous
2366s	trophy threshold
2368s	and we reintroduced these smaller tiers
2370s	as well
2371s	and as a result of that now it's much
2374s	easier for casual player to actually
2376s	maintain their trophies and push some of
2378s	these other trophy Brawlers up in the
2380s	trophies if they wanted to to build
2382s	their total trophies higher
2383s	it also had an added site benefit I know
2386s	for some people it's still not enough
2387s	but we talked about bling already
2389s	we we basically quadrupled the amount of
2392s	bling you get per brawler as a result of
2395s	this change so the the minimum amount of
2398s	bling doesn't change
2400s	meaningful except that it's now much
2402s	easier to get there and the high end
2404s	amount doesn't change and it's also
2406s	getting much easier to get there but and
2409s	there are some some players depending on
2411s	where the trophies are they might be
2412s	getting just a little bit now but over
2414s	time they will get into higher ranks and
2417s	in the long run they'll be earning more
2418s	bling yeah so that's the idea some
2420s	people were calling it a scam they were
2421s	like oh I'm getting less bling I'm like
2423s	just can't just wait just wait just just
2425s	a month okay just wait but but waiting
2428s	is no fun right so yeah that's true but
2430s	I think that's my my counter argument
2432s	like and I I think we had three problems
2434s	right it was like it was too many
2436s	browsers for two weeks it was the trophy
2438s	that we were losing it was too much and
2440s	the blink amount when you see like I got
2442s	200 blink for two weeks it's it doesn't
2444s	feel great right so I think we addressed
2446s	two of the problems which is the
2448s	Brawlers and the trophies but the amount
2450s	would still be bad and I feel like
2452s	everything we've done it will be
2456s	um they wouldn't
2457s	um let's say to be overshadowed yeah
2460s	exactly and then they they wouldn't care
2463s	about the change and like even if you
2466s	say like yeah now it's easier to push so
2468s	you can actually get more if you like
2469s	put the effort this is not a clear met
2472s	right so I think like the
2474s	for me what would I would try to do is
2478s	to make a very simple math that they can
2481s	see compare before to after and then
2484s	you'll see oh so there's a clear benefit
2485s	now they are focusing on the value which
2488s	is like the end goal of the the trophy
2491s	reset and they will think it's bad now
2492s	of course now I'm calling it out I'm I'm
2495s	sure people like ah then he said so I
2497s	agree with Danny but like maybe skip
2500s	that part of the podcast and tell me
2502s	your honest feedback afterwards but I
2504s	think that's what's gonna happen like
2505s	the change is good like I would say it's
2508s	better for the players overall but it
2510s	wouldn't be perceived as good because
2512s	you are getting less and then it will be
2514s	over overshadowing over everything
2517s	so that's my tiny uh disagreement and I
2520s	think it shows also that we don't need
2522s	to be like 100 aligned all the time like
2525s	we are aligned as a team like what the
2527s	goal we want to achieve but we have like
2529s	many different opinions when they're
2530s	developing the everything yeah just kind
2533s	of piggyback on that actually I think I
2535s	think um this trophy is a great example
2537s	of a of a thing where everyone is
2538s	aligned the community is pretty much
2539s	aligned the entire team is aligned and
2542s	that's quite rare like that it happens
2543s	that easily
2545s	um because as we've talked about like
2546s	there's many times where we go back and
2548s	forth on issues endlessly it might seem
2550s	because everyone's really passionate
2552s	about things but this one it was clear
2554s	everyone I think was like I'm getting so
2555s	little and my Brawlers trophies I have
2557s	none left and it's like yeah
2559s	it was the same but this is still going
2561s	to happen yeah yeah but it's like it's
2563s	different right yeah that's the thing
2565s	but we're all Orlando
2566s	yeah there's like like
2569s	I think you touched on that in maybe
2572s	your review as well but but there's this
2576s	long term
2578s	I believe is it it's not it's like we're
2581s	not actively working on something right
2583s	now okay yeah so so to set an
2585s	expectation this is just a concept an
2588s	idea you're talking about but long term
2590s	it's it's not like we are super happy
2592s	with how the structure between trophy
2595s	Road power League quests
2597s	all of this how this plays together
2599s	today
2600s	we feel these these systems are all
2602s	somewhat isolated
2604s	and we don't like that and the trophy
2607s	reset is one dimension of that
2609s	but but it's like there's there's in in
2612s	game development
2614s	like often what your what you're
2616s	discussing like so you're discussing
2618s	about the risk level of certain features
2621s	if there will be successful or not
2623s	sometimes you see like an easy
2625s	Improvement which is a very clear
2626s	Improvement for you and the players and
2629s	then sometimes you're like here's this
2631s	bigger thing we have let's say
2634s	Club League
2636s	and we we are not happy with Club League
2640s	so
2641s	what are we doing with this information
2644s	so are we are we just reworking the
2647s	whole club League thing
2648s	I can tell you like the effort of doing
2651s	something like that is probably it's two
2654s	to three update Cycles half of the team
2656s	working on this that's that's a a lot of
2659s	time investment and investment from the
2661s	development side into making a change
2663s	which we don't know if it will work yeah
2666s	so that's that's like
2668s	hmm kind of almost like a Hail Mary to
2671s	do something like that well at the same
2673s	time we could use this time and make
2674s	smaller incremental improvements to
2676s	multiple systems
2678s	which will have a better impact for the
2680s	game and the players
2681s	so so it's like it's a
2684s	it's a really tricky thing so when we're
2686s	when we're talking about you know right
2688s	now the the trophy changes we made
2690s	that's a it's a band aid
2692s	it's not it's not the final product but
2695s	it's a fix which will get us there until
2698s	we have a better answer to what is what
2701s	it what it is we want to do because I
2704s	think we all have a bigger rework in
2706s	mind and it might come in pieces
2708s	not in one big thing
2711s	but yeah we're all not super fond of the
2713s	current situation with
2715s	trophies trophy wizard
2717s	power league on the other side Club
2719s	League over here
2721s	quests and Broad pass so things that
2724s	have to change to make this it's also a
2726s	lot of systems which do very similar
2728s	things which is like at a complexity for
2731s	our players and all of that stuff
2733s	where we over the years you know we
2735s	introduced so many systems that the game
2736s	became quite of complex when you're a
2738s	new player coming into the game and it's
2740s	like so easy to get overwhelmed
2742s	it's it's it really is like and that's
2745s	the feedback we're getting from uh
2747s	there's a concept maybe if you're
2749s	listening into uh Game Dev conversation
2752s	the first time there's a concept called
2753s	it's a user study
2755s	so what game developers do regularly
2758s	we we basically give people who never
2760s	played the game
2762s	like a device with raw stars and let
2764s	them play for Timex another supervised
2767s	circumstances
2768s	so let's say for two weeks
2770s	so we have 20 50 100 people
2774s	knowing where they are from so we have
2776s	you know they're all for example
2778s	Americans aged around 20 years old
2783s	and we can then get the feedback and
2785s	compared against our players or existing
2788s	players
2790s	and so you can draw conclusions from
2792s	that and you're usually testing specific
2793s	systems or ideas and then see what's
2796s	coming out of it
2798s	where was I going with this
2800s	you tell me I'm really excited to see
2803s	where this goes
2804s	what you're trying to say is that
2807s	but that players it's pretty good
2808s	complex players complexity are looking
2811s	at that and they're saying I don't
2812s	understand what this does perhaps it
2814s	wasn't explained that well perhaps
2815s	there's too much information presented
2818s	in front of them
2819s	um and so you kind of get this uh uh
2822s	kind of overwhelming amounts of
2823s	information and so we actually try to
2825s	gate some of this so that you don't get
2827s	to see all of it at once
2829s	um by the way it's the same problem for
2832s	players who come back to the game after
2833s	not playing for a while yes you know we
2835s	call those win back players you're also
2837s	managing that so at any given point
2839s	um in Brawl Stars there's all these
2841s	different players with different
2842s	motivations different amounts of time
2845s	played different levels of commitment to
2846s	the game and you're trying your best
2849s	you're juggling kind of these balls in
2851s	the air or or spinning these plates and
2853s	you're trying to keep them all from
2854s	breaking and a lot of the times certain
2857s	ones might be closer to Breaking uh and
2861s	you know it's a it's a ruthless task of
2863s	prioritization to figure out what's the
2865s	next bet where should that next bet be
2867s	whether that's working on a new feature
2869s	or improving upon existing features but
2871s	also I think
2872s	what to link what to what Frank was
2875s	saying because like when you say like
2877s	yeah like poor league has some issues or
2879s	Club league has some issues like let's
2880s	fix it or let's improve it like maybe
2883s	the solution is a overall economical
2886s	system right because like it's not like
2888s	isolated just power League maybe the
2890s	problem is because there are so many
2891s	systems that you don't make these
2893s	interesting ones so interesting so maybe
2895s	the solution would be like to unify all
2897s	of them or something like that so that
2899s	just show like how complex one solution
2902s	or one concept could be is not like
2905s	league has a problem let's fix poor
2908s	League it's not it's not exactly like
2909s	that so like it gives you like maybe
2911s	just a bit deeper so what so what you're
2913s	saying is basically scrap power League
2915s	trophy league club League trophy league
2917s	and tier one medium trophies and do a
2919s	new system that has it all together just
2922s	like as an idea not actually what you
2924s	guys are planning on doing which is a
2925s	concept no I think that makes a lot of
2927s	sense and I feel like one of the I did a
2929s	stream recently with Ash
2931s	and we just talked about the state of
2933s	the game for three and a half hours
2934s	that's what we did the whole time and I
2937s	think all of our feedback literally just
2939s	came to one single point was
2941s	I just wish the team had more time yeah
2944s	because you guys are already thinking
2946s	about these things you already know the
2948s	issues that we have with all these
2949s	individual systems and the problem is is
2952s	if you spend a lot of time to develop
2954s	power league and come out with a new
2956s	power League then we don't get something
2958s	new and that makes the game feel boring
2961s	if we don't get a new thing you know
2963s	yeah and I mean it yeah and it's the
2965s	same thing for a lot of features right
2966s	like let's take Brawlers and star powers
2969s	and gadgets and all of these things you
2970s	know it's there's a lot of Legacy for
2972s	example gadgets and star powers or even
2974s	brawler mechanics even that would love
2976s	to address we would love to address all
2978s	of them we have a big list of things to
2980s	do
2981s	um but the people that have to make
2983s	those changes are the same people for
2985s	example making new Brawlers new
2987s	mechanics new gears so it's we have to
2990s	prioritize
2991s	um quite significantly whenever we want
2993s	to do something and that's why you see
2996s	for example maybe a few mechanical
2997s	changes which each update instead of you
2999s	know a whole list of every star power
3001s	ever because that's just not feasible
3004s	and I think like uh I think like cairo's
3007s	made like a really good summary like we
3010s	just if you had if we had more time
3012s	right I think people also had to take
3014s	into account that this is our jobs it's
3016s	like we are not working 24 hours because
3018s	we have like families we have to go home
3021s	yeah at some point we do and and then
3025s	like um like you don't if you go to a
3027s	shop and the shop is closed you don't
3029s	demand like I wish this is open I want
3031s	this product right now but like for
3033s	games people don't have this perception
3035s	if something is broken on a Sunday night
3038s	like you shouldn't expect that you'll be
3041s	fixed like right away because there's
3042s	probably the server guy is sleeping or
3045s	whatever like this I think something
3048s	this is a service and it's a work like
3051s	any other work like
3054s	um this should be taking into account
3056s	when like you demand changes or anything
3058s	it's just like of course like you can
3060s	express your opinion about anything you
3062s	want but like what sometimes it triggers
3065s	me when they demand speed where we
3068s	already like work overtime sometimes we
3070s	work on weekends and you see my me on
3073s	Twitter interacting and like I'm not I'm
3076s	doing it because I like but it's also
3078s	work right it's not like I'm uh I know I
3082s	I have so much fun I'll be here like
3084s	spending my whole Saturday afternoon
3086s	everyone yeah arguing on Twitter
3089s	but also you know we are my favorite
3092s	hobby I'm not what you're talking about
3093s	oh I I love the interview that was on
3096s	that channel um with uh with Frank they
3098s	just did a whole awesome podcast pretty
3101s	much with Frank and talked about it and
3102s	he talked over and over again about how
3105s	um Ryan was terrified that you wanted to
3107s	be public on Twitter
3109s	he was he was like skill is he still is
3113s	yeah I I inherited this fear it's a it's
3117s	a all Community managers are afraid of
3119s	Us game developers themselves on social
3123s	media yeah like it's it's a yeah it's a
3126s	it's an interesting thing but good segue
3128s	because uh the game the team is
3130s	definitely hiring and you can find other
3133s	open positions yeah that's true career
3135s	is not Super Sound
3146s	I think that's an interesting one
3148s	because of course there's this thing
3150s	that supercell always try to have really
3152s	small teams and it like that's already
3156s	I'm we're still small but comparison is
3159s	the biggest team for we're not the
3161s	biggest team we're not the biggest team
3163s	anymore
3164s	we are not really okay you were for a
3165s	long time right yeah yeah we were we
3167s	were we were can you reveal no we can't
3171s	it's a unannounced game unfortunately
3173s	wow big big analysis that is suspicious
3176s	well now I'm excited super sales making
3178s	games
3181s	it's not a leak we always have games in
3183s	development that's true and you actually
3186s	you guys might have seen two
3187s	back-to-back in the next uh right around
3189s	this time yeah we are talking today
3193s	um flood Rush
3195s	that we were recording so that's
3197s	exciting and then um Squad Busters just
3200s	ended their beta yeah oh it's not even
3202s	over yet it'll be over in about four
3203s	hours
3204s	yeah I still gotta play
3206s	I've been playing a lot by the time you
3209s	see this video it's already over yeah
3210s	yeah yeah yeah about what you were
3212s	saying what it was saying is that the
3213s	team has a smaller team sure but but
3216s	compared to for example the team when we
3218s	went Global we were just you know around
3220s	20 people
3221s	and now the team All Things Considered
3223s	it's over 40 people so we doubled in
3225s	size and we're still hiring
3227s	and in general in supercell like we want
3230s	to stay small and we're not gonna you
3232s	know like over hire people but but we've
3235s	as a company I guess decided that
3238s	you know what's what's most important
3239s	for us is to be able to execute against
3241s	ideas for our players
3243s	and so if that meets more people so be
3246s	it
3247s	so so that is one thing but at the same
3250s	time people are not the solution to
3251s	everything right and if you if you talk
3254s	to people who are working in 100 200
3256s	people teams
3257s	you know the administrative overhead
3259s	becomes bigger and bigger and bigger and
3261s	bigger like we today we have like
3265s	depending on the team like one producer
3268s	producers are people in game teams which
3271s	make sure the production is on schedule
3273s	essentially so they're they're assigning
3276s	tasks they're going around and the team
3277s	make sure that people hitting their
3279s	milestones
3281s	so they're the fun police and sorry
3284s	story to all producers out there you're
3286s	not the one police
3287s	um but the bigger your team is the more
3290s	of these producer roles you need in the
3292s	team
3293s	so if you have a team of 200 developers
3294s	you're probably in 20 30 producers
3299s	um and those are people who are not
3300s	developing themselves okay
3301s	they're they're part of the development
3303s	process but they're not putting code in
3305s	they're not creating art
3307s	it's just overhead
3309s	um just overhead they're making sure
3310s	that the game gets released or the
3312s	update gets released so and that's
3313s	obviously for 200 people there's a lot
3315s	of systems that have to go and you can't
3316s	have everybody communicating to
3317s	everybody all the time otherwise it's
3319s	too confusing and complex yeah but of
3322s	course that that means decisions are
3323s	made slower and slower and and
3325s	individuals to a degree lose the the
3328s	sense of responsibility for the work
3330s	they're putting in right
3332s	if you're if you're a client developer
3334s	and broadstars today or in any Superstar
3337s	game
3338s	you will know exactly what you have to
3339s	do and you were part of the
3341s	decision-making process of what you're
3343s	working on and you're likely you know
3345s	also have a little bit of design in you
3347s	and you you work with a game designer a
3350s	UI ux artist and a server engineer and
3352s	small teams to make these features
3357s	there's nobody else getting in the way
3359s	the team as a team decides this is what
3360s	we want to work on and then you're just
3362s	working on it but you have a lot of
3363s	freedom and how you're doing this
3366s	and
3368s	yeah that's not possible when you're
3369s	getting too big because then then
3371s	everything gets slower and slower and
3374s	slower and you cannot make these Quick
3375s	Fix like some the fix we made with a
3378s	with a trophy reset change
3380s	we decided that literally after we saw
3382s	the data looked at it with a with a one
3385s	day discussion
3387s	and then we were like let's make that
3389s	change and so I I talked to a Serv
3392s	engineer myself I read it the reset
3394s	table
3395s	figured out some underlying math and
3397s	then we looked at it as a group said yes
3400s	let's do this
3401s	and then we put it in the next week
3403s	and it was just done and then it was
3405s	just done and then in other companies
3412s	it's a game they have to like look how
3414s	is this going to impact our finances yes
3416s	and everything like they have to
3419s	like it's a lot of overhead red tape you
3421s	you can you can see that I mean it's
3423s	it's all public you know but just look
3425s	at other games out there which are
3427s	online and when they have a buck how
3429s	long it takes for them to address those
3430s	bucks even if they're more you know
3432s	let's say if a character doesn't work
3434s	and they have to disable a character how
3436s	long does it take until they can play
3437s	their character again or you know if a
3440s	system doesn't work they have to turn it
3441s	off and how long does it take to come
3443s	back compare that to the speed we have
3446s	and that is that is something I'm really
3448s	proud of but that only works because
3450s	we're small
3452s	so so that this is this balance between
3456s	we want to be big enough so we can
3458s	execute enough on our ideas for our
3460s	players
3461s	but at the same time we don't want to
3463s	get too big because it makes us slow and
3466s	then then everything becomes bureaucracy
3468s	and
3469s	uh we need you know instead of days
3471s	weeks to decide stuff and make stuff
3473s	happen right so we need this this uh
3477s	uh startup spirit in a way that we can
3480s	move really fast and that we can you
3482s	know we go for lunch together we have a
3484s	discussion we agree on stuff we come out
3486s	of lunch and we are like let's do this
3488s	now not not in the future and also like
3492s	the autonomy you give to people right
3494s	because like uh we can give the example
3495s	from bony like we did a maintenance to
3498s	fix something and then when we get Got
3499s	Back Bonnie was broken what she was
3501s	crashing the game and like it was me and
3503s	the server guy like what do we do and
3505s	like disable Bonnie like let's fix in
3507s	the morning because like everybody else
3509s	was sleeping because it was midnight in
3510s	Finland and I was like should I call
3513s	Frank or should I make the call right
3515s	gladly I made the right call like I
3517s	talked to Frank later I apologize if I
3520s	made the wrong call but I think we
3522s	should have done that and it was like me
3523s	and the server guy uh and then it solved
3526s	that thing in the morning so like it was
3528s	like less than 24 hours broken and then
3530s	Bonnie was trending on Twitter because
3533s	bribes
3545s	it's it's a
3547s	we
3548s	we really value this level of trust and
3550s	autonomy and Independence and and people
3552s	being able to make decisions by
3554s	themselves not having to ask everyone
3557s	and especially in situations like that
3559s	you want speed you want the the level of
3562s	urgency is there okay then you can make
3565s	a decision if something is not urgent
3567s	and you make a big decision that's weird
3570s	you know then then you should take your
3572s	time you should discuss with your
3573s	colleagues but sometimes you need that
3574s	speed
3575s	and just for the record we do monitor
3577s	ourselves 24 7. so there's 24 7 there's
3580s	server Engineers on standby to jump in
3582s	if something happens it's just that
3584s	there's a difference between servers
3586s	going haywire and there's a buck in the
3588s	game right yeah so it's very different
3590s	things and a lot of the bugs in the game
3593s	we can we as as Danny just gave for the
3595s	example turning off a brawler is
3597s	something it's easy for us to do
3599s	fixing a buck
3600s	it's just not that easy and you're not
3603s	getting you're not waking up everyone to
3604s	fix a buck right now
3606s	it just again goes back to
3608s	sustainability right you want
3610s	sustainability because if you do that
3612s	then guess what tomorrow these guys
3614s	they're definitely not developing
3617s	so it's like it's really you need to
3619s	look big picture and right yeah shout
3621s	out to our server guys by the way
3625s	I don't want to name names because maybe
3627s	he doesn't want to
3628s	um yeah he saved Brown's life in that
3631s	night but they're all in the credits
3635s	but they don't know who is go on the
3637s	credits pick a random guy and imagine
3638s	that yeah yeah
3641s	good luck well I do have a quick
3643s	follow-up and we'll get more back to the
3645s	brawl Stars stuff here but I just wanna
3647s	just curious from a developer's
3648s	perspective
3649s	um how is it does it feel with the team
3652s	being 40 large that's a lot of people if
3654s	you guys want to sit down and have a
3656s	conversation that's 40 people just
3657s	sitting down on the couch talking that's
3659s	a big couch you know is it feeling like
3661s	it's getting too big for supercell or
3663s	are you feeling good
3666s	I mean I guess everyone has their own
3667s	opinion but maybe from my perspective
3668s	real quick I think the good part about
3670s	having still a smallish team is everyone
3672s	is kind of passionate about different
3674s	topics yeah so whenever you discuss
3676s	something you know not everyone's going
3677s	to be really into how do we do power
3678s	League matchmaking for example so then
3680s	you have maybe a group of five six to
3682s	ten people and that's still a small
3684s	group everyone gets their voice heard
3686s	everyone you know you kind of sit you
3688s	can have the time and um you know of
3690s	course on bigger things we still gather
3692s	the whole team but more most more often
3694s	than not you have you know a smaller
3696s	group to discuss things yeah and
3698s	everyone is has the freedom to join
3700s	these tests for us so baby uh we have
3703s	our data scientist which is very
3704s	passionate about matchmaking and bad
3706s	Brandon specifically and then uh yeah
3710s	she she posts like I'm gonna talk about
3711s	this who Wanna who wants to join and
3713s	then we sign up and then we discuss this
3716s	thing so you have like those mini task
3718s	force all over across the the team and
3721s	it's really great to have opinionated
3722s	people about topics yeah but but no it's
3724s	not getting too big in my opinion and I
3726s	think something people don't see so much
3728s	I think that there was a question we
3730s	wanted to answer later on about what was
3732s	the most stressful update ever yeah
3734s	that's uh yeah maybe let's let's answer
3736s	that in one go
3738s	um because it's it's kind of connected
3740s	to this so we we got a question I'm not
3742s	sure what the question was it was about
3744s	like uh yeah I think it was just what
3746s	was the most stressful content wise like
3748s	which was
3750s	the biggest workload I would say so so
3752s	for me and this is uh before
3755s	V and Adrian joined the team actually
3758s	the we had this update in early 2020
3762s	where we introduced broad pass
3765s	and that happened
3767s	into covet
3769s	and
3770s	only a month before China launched
3774s	oh and and this this was the by far the
3778s	most stressful period in process it was
3780s	like it was not
3782s	I think it was more stressful than
3784s	global
3785s	and we worked hard to get Global out of
3787s	the way but that that was just it was
3790s	just like the world had you know like
3792s	decided to work against us like when you
3796s	were completely changing the economic
3798s	progression in the entire game by adding
3799s	girl pass in there it was a massive
3801s	change before it was just boxes and what
3803s	when people don't have on their radar so
3805s	much right they know that okay the
3806s	broadcast update happened but in
3808s	parallel we're working towards releasing
3810s	the game in China
3811s	and that is not a small undertaking okay
3813s	that again is one of these projects
3815s	where probably you know like a third of
3818s	the team were working on this for like
3820s	half a year
3822s	just to get ready for the China launch
3824s	because it required different
3825s	infrastructure in China and it was like
3829s	so these things all happen together and
3831s	then we had to adjust in working at home
3834s	all at the same time it was it was
3836s	really stressful period for everyone on
3837s	the team
3838s	and uh you know what we did this
3841s	actually with almost the original team
3843s	so we were just over 20 people
3846s	and it was immensely stressful and
3850s	I came out of that you know I moved like
3852s	that that summer we couldn't go on
3854s	vacation right so I just spent time in a
3857s	cottage in Finland
3859s	and I really tried to deflate not think
3861s	about the game at all and for one month
3863s	I took time off one month the only thing
3866s	you posted on Twitter was like pictures
3868s	of your dog and food yeah it was it was
3870s	fantastic I loved it yeah that's all he
3872s	posts anyway
3873s	I was just crying in the shower every
3875s	night you mean all the important stuff
3876s	Aaron true so it's like so and I came
3880s	out of that and that really like gave
3882s	like sometimes when you're too close to
3883s	the problem it's very hard to see the
3885s	solutions yeah and this this this month
3888s	off I came out of that and like oh guys
3891s	this is this is not working
3893s	it's not what we're doing here like yes
3895s	it's working right now but it's not
3897s	sustainable in the long term we will
3899s	people will burn out if we keep going
3901s	like this
3902s	so and back then
3904s	um again if you watch that other podcast
3906s	we made the decision to hire more people
3908s	unfortunately our leadership team was
3910s	okay with that because it was such a
3912s	holy cow for us like it this this whole
3914s	like idea of growing the team
3917s	was was one of the hardest things to do
3919s	before that
3920s	and unfortunately very against it just
3922s	as a general company because it's how
3924s	she was almost founded on small teams
3926s	and so for you guys to go to ilka and be
3928s	like hey we want to we want to double
3930s	our team size it's like whoa yeah but
3934s	but you know I I basically told them
3936s	look it's not gonna work for the team
3937s	and it's not going to work for our
3938s	players so it's a lose-lose
3940s	so let's try to fix it and he agreed
3944s	with me and and allowed the team to
3946s	stuff up
3947s	and fast forward then to today I think
3950s	today the team is on the best state
3952s	we've ever been
3953s	like which is like we are the most
3956s	functional team we've ever been we have
3958s	the the best team overall we had ever
3960s	essentially we have also pretty much all
3963s	rolled filled there's a few additional
3965s	people we could bring bring in but you
3967s	know everyone who needs to be there is
3968s	there right now
3969s	so right now we we really feel and what
3972s	people also don't see like sometimes we
3974s	finished in the past like a brawler or a
3977s	skin like the day before we submitted
3980s	the update
3981s	like literally it sounds super scary in
3984s	game developer terms there was not no
3985s	wiggle space for mistakes
3987s	well there have been times when Danny's
3989s	like hey you guys can play with this new
3990s	brawler and like Hank was just
3992s	completely busted he was so broken like
3995s	yeah it can still happen because he
3998s	would do like like thousands of damage
4000s	R1 at the very smallest one and then at
4003s	Max first bubble he would deal one
4005s	damage it was just like and that was
4008s	like a day before the update was gonna
4009s	happen yeah that's that's a whole
4012s	different story but in general we're now
4014s	getting really ahead you know like
4017s	people sometimes like
4018s	they don't understand how far had we get
4020s	like right now we're we're starting
4022s	we're we're post pre-production for the
4026s	after summer update
4027s	wow so post pre-production for
4030s	non-developer terms so
4033s	um updates or game game production in
4036s	general like there's a period which is
4037s	called pre-production when you're when
4039s	you're essentially planning and
4041s	you know getting ready to produce stuff
4043s	yeah and yeah and uh we are way beyond
4046s	that state now so we're getting really
4048s	hit we we know until the end of the year
4050s	for example what are the classes of
4052s	rollers we want to release uh we know
4055s	the days we know the day the the
4058s	brolawin update will arrive all these
4061s	all these little details in the past it
4063s	was like
4064s	almost unplannable for us and now all of
4067s	this is planned
4068s	we're also with designs designs have
4071s	been historically done while we're
4073s	developing
4075s	and
4076s	um and now we're actually designing One
4078s	update cycle before we develop
4081s	at least the big picture stuff
4083s	so it's not that everything is developed
4084s	and ready to go for the next while it's
4086s	that everything is planned and the basic
4088s	structure of how it will work out is
4091s	already planned yeah I think we touched
4093s	on it in the last one when we talked
4095s	about the big meta change yeah I think
4097s	the decision was made in quarter 1 2022
4100s	to make that change to remove boxes to
4103s	remove boxes and then
4105s	um but before the summer break we had
4107s	the basic high level design ready and it
4109s	was released you know in December so so
4112s	like about the the series of events
4115s	leading there it's that's a huge change
4117s	for us as a team how we work compared to
4119s	how we work before so it's way less
4122s	stressful now to do this we're not
4124s	burning out people
4125s	is sustainable
4127s	and on top of that we can do more of our
4129s	place than we did in the past and I
4131s	think you know we're producing now the
4132s	highest number of of content we've ever
4134s	produced actually the amount of skins
4136s	pins everything we're throwing out there
4138s	the the productivity of the features
4141s	it's we've never been at this level of
4143s	productivity as a team and at the same
4146s	time it's the healthiest team we ever
4148s	had and the team with the best morale we
4150s	ever had if you if you're in our team
4152s	space if you could be a little fly on
4154s	the wall you would hear a lot of
4155s	laughter every day and that that's for
4158s	me as a as a lead of this team of course
4160s	is like I had super gratifying you know
4162s	super gratifying it's like you just sit
4164s	there and you see people actually are
4166s	fun at work and they like each other and
4167s	they're like working with each other and
4169s	yes sometimes we have heated arguments
4172s	but we're we're always we're arguing but
4175s	we're arguing about things we're not
4177s	like I'm not passionate about the game
4178s	we're not I'm not like Danny I hate your
4181s	guts it's like Danny this thing this
4184s	thing is this doesn't work and try to
4186s	explain it and argue through it and like
4188s	try to see both perspectives
4190s	so it's really like it just feels good
4193s	it just feels really good so right now I
4195s	think we're in a pretty sweet spot we
4197s	can still grow a little
4198s	but um yeah it's good I mean you guys
4201s	should say something I mean I just like
4203s	how we went from most stressful update
4205s	ever to best team ever right that's
4207s	that's not that's not good I mean that's
4209s	not that's not bad but but you know it
4211s	was a yeah and we were talking about
4212s	yeah it's like two and a half three
4214s	years from going from
4217s	this is not sustainable this is
4219s	unhealthy for us to win a really good
4221s	place so it's not a fast Solution by any
4224s	means
4225s	yeah
4226s	V do you want to go next what has been
4228s	stressful for you uh I mean I think on
4231s	some designs we could be further ahead
4233s	we actually hired a second designer
4235s	which I don't think you've met yet uh
4237s	Katie but
4238s	um and that's been really helpful on
4240s	because on the design because the way
4242s	that things have to work is design has
4244s	to in some ways have a pretty well done
4248s	design before engineering and art and
4251s	all of the implementation beyond that
4254s	can happen and so and the problem with
4256s	the design some is sometimes
4259s	um either we're not necessarily sure if
4262s	this was the right design like it could
4263s	change
4265s	um due to feedback on the team due to
4267s	other reasons and so the design changes
4269s	but so if the design so historically if
4271s	design changes while you're in Flight of
4274s	making that next update it's really
4276s	costly on your engineers and on any art
4279s	that's been done and whatnot and now
4281s	we're in a cycle we're actually kind of
4282s	you know Jeff is uh the the new designer
4286s	on the team and we're kind of like leap
4288s	frogging a little bit so we have a
4289s	little bit more where I'm focused on One
4291s	update he's focused on the next and we
4293s	kind of can tell you turns obviously we
4295s	still sync quite often on that stuff but
4297s	and also with the team but
4299s	um that in that sense you know it's been
4302s	better
4303s	um but yeah overall I I think design we
4307s	could probably still move a little bit
4308s	faster if I'm being completely honest on
4311s	like what what we're making but um it's
4314s	been a lot better you can you can hear a
4316s	simulation is still ongoing
4318s	yeah he has never he's never designed a
4321s	feature which is shipped tomorrow
4323s	thank goodness thank goodness
4326s	yeah
4328s	well that's really awesome I like to
4329s	hear that and you know what
4331s	um I don't know how much I can really
4333s	share but I know that you guys have
4334s	shared systems and stuff like that with
4336s	uh like myself and some other people to
4340s	say hey what are your what's your gut
4341s	thoughts on this how do you feel about
4343s	this before it actually even gets
4344s	finalized and I mean sometimes that
4347s	happens months before it when it's just
4348s	on paper and nothing's actually
4349s	developed and stuff like that and it's
4351s	it's really awesome for the game and I
4353s	think that people even see the fact that
4355s	the team is in a really good healthy
4356s	State as well because I'm also feeling
4358s	like man things are really good right
4360s	now things are really good in Brawl at
4362s	the moment I mean we have things we want
4364s	to be improved but
4366s	you know it's pretty good yeah it's
4369s	really positive right now for bro
4371s	yeah
4372s	what was for you then it's stressful the
4375s	most stressful update I think it was the
4377s	star Road the removal of boxes because
4380s	like um like we hit we had the Omega box
4383s	campaign and that was like an added
4386s	layer to to my work on top of everything
4389s	that's going on right so there's bro
4391s	talk there's the war finals that which I
4393s	was working also like I was also working
4395s	in our finals and then we had like to
4398s	plan a campaign and execute and like um
4402s	and and then up update the results
4405s	because it was it we didn't have any
4406s	feature for that so they could update by
4408s	hand like we are checking on data and
4410s	then we had like a script that was
4412s	giving me the numbers every morning and
4413s	then I had to update every day so yes
4417s	like plenty of campaign executing it uh
4420s	on top of my daily work it was very
4423s	stressful for me and I think like I'm
4427s	I'm really uh Happy how things went
4430s	because like I think the video didn't
4432s	like quality I think the video was
4433s	really fun me punching boxes I think it
4435s	was a nice thing to do
4439s	um like the the Cadence of content that
4443s	we announced that we announced an
4444s	announcement in the World Finals I think
4446s	that was really cool because it created
4448s	like a really hypey moment like very
4450s	different from what we used to do
4453s	and then
4455s	and then on the top of that the the
4458s	update itself was massive we had like
4460s	three browers one for Quest which is a
4463s	new feature
4464s	um the Star Road like removing boxes to
4467s	change the whole economy of the game
4468s	which like sometimes it feels like ah
4470s	don't do think it like this is simple
4472s	it's not because like tied to that there
4474s	is the whole economy of the game plus we
4477s	added Fame at the end because there was
4479s	nothing before it's like this update was
4481s	gigantic and then I had to work on top
4484s	of like this extra
4486s	uh things to Hype it up the update so I
4489s	think for me that was the most stressful
4490s	I think maybe the most rewarding
4493s	um ah on top of that I was doing the
4495s	brolies Because yeah right
4498s	on the side
4500s	yeah
4504s	yeah yeah
4506s	that goes goes back to this like the
4510s	independence thing at supercell yeah
4511s	like like often like Danny is just like
4514s	the the first time you did it you just
4515s	came to my desk saying hey Frank I want
4517s	to spend eggs yeah I need money I was
4520s	like what the hell
4521s	and then but then you know I was like oh
4524s	that sounds great let's do it
4526s	but again it's like
4528s	if you're if you're your own if you're
4531s	your own decision maker in many many
4533s	ways it's it's sometimes really hard to
4536s	control yourself control because you
4538s	can't do anything so it's just what
4541s	should you be doing should you should
4542s	you be doing anything so saying no it's
4544s	like uh or like realizing that no I
4548s	actually you know brothers would be
4549s	really nice right now
4551s	but it's not the most important thing
4552s	right and I don't want to burn myself
4555s	out yeah
4556s	so if you don't see a browse this year
4558s	yeah
4561s	something else bigger
4566s	what do you say oh my God
4570s	for all these V Ducks that's what it is
4573s	so many promises are you are you doing
4575s	them no no I don't even know I don't
4577s	even know what the rallies are I I heard
4578s	he just volunteered that's what I heard
4580s	instead of Danny
4582s	will take a nice sabbatical with some
4585s	winter yeah and then then we is running
4587s	the brolies good luck dude
4590s	that's fantastic so you guys you said
4593s	some things that I kind of wanted to
4594s	follow up on if you're okay with that
4595s	yeah
4597s	um so Frank just barely told us that you
4600s	have everything planned for the next
4601s	while basically
4604s	um nine months ago you guys released the
4606s	future of brawl Stars brawl talk where
4609s	you kind of laid out gave us a road map
4611s	what's happening in the future
4613s	um and since then you've pretty much
4614s	released everything that you guys talked
4615s	about except for the PVE and the weekend
4617s	event uh rework with it you actually
4619s	talked about a lot on the last podcast
4621s	and as just a just a brief explanation
4624s	of what that was was that you weren't
4626s	you tried it you weren't happy with how
4628s	it came out with so you want to develop
4629s	it some more
4630s	um but push that to the side for now
4632s	what are you willing to share about the
4635s	future of brawl Stars updates and what
4637s	you are working on right now
4639s	we are not done with the list by the way
4641s	of of the things we gave everyone in
4644s	August there's a few items which we have
4646s	not mentioned so you should re-watch
4648s	that video
4649s	I've watched it like 20 times now
4652s	so so there's still a few loose ends uh
4656s	we we want to tie up there's of course
4658s	always new stuff we're working on
4659s	there's still a few you know a few
4662s	feedbacks uh from this transition to
4665s	Star Road which are unaddressed
4668s	um and that's as much as I will say
4669s	about this for now so so there's still a
4672s	few things going on but we have the
4673s	intention with a summer brawl talk to
4675s	give you guys another update on what
4677s	other things we are focusing on next
4679s	yeah and again it's like I think this
4681s	worked really well for us it's like
4684s	um
4685s	you know it's not a binding this is what
4686s	we will do it's it's more like this is
4689s	what we're thinking about what we will
4691s	do
4692s	and uh I think we already thinking right
4695s	now a lot about the future of brawl and
4697s	what are the the things we want I mean
4698s	we touched on you know the whole
4700s	combination of trophy trophy league club
4703s	League power League how does this all
4704s	work together does this make sense
4706s	should we do and when to change it
4709s	um and there's lots of other changes we
4711s	would like to see
4713s	um yeah so we will give another update
4716s	um after the summer break with the
4717s	August Pro talk
4719s	cool so everybody make sure you
4721s	subscribe for that if you haven't
4721s	already
4723s	sorry my YouTuber came out of me I was
4727s	clean that was clean yeah you just
4729s	called cairo's to get information of
4731s	course right I'm not sure
4733s	no but I like that and I think that that
4736s	brawl talk was uh really set a great
4738s	precedent for the community and knowing
4740s	that you know we might not necessarily
4742s	know what's happening in the future of
4743s	the brawl stars but that doesn't mean
4744s	that you guys aren't looking ahead and
4747s	trying to come up with some awesome
4748s	things and yeah we really appreciate
4749s	that as a community just knowing what's
4751s	on your radar and we will still have
4754s	some wiggle space to take the community
4756s	feedback and sentiment about features
4758s	into consideration so I think like the
4761s	gears update
4763s	to go back there sorry like it's it's
4767s	really one of those things which
4770s	I know the community was really really
4773s	annoyed by the whole thing right you
4776s	were but but there's a but like of
4779s	course we we think we resolved most of
4781s	it not everything but most of it
4785s	um it's in a much better place today
4786s	than where it was I guess we can all
4788s	agree on that
4790s	um if we're done with it I don't know
4791s	yet but but you know it's it's what it
4794s	is today
4795s	um in the short term we don't have any
4797s	intention to introduce for example power
4799s	level 12.
4801s	like that there was a nice reassurance
4803s	it's like we appreciate that and and for
4806s	the record it might happen eventually I
4808s	I think I just tweeted about this to
4810s	someone who asked or posted on Reddit or
4813s	something so it's a possibility that we
4815s	will have power 12 at some point but
4818s	before that what would happen need to
4820s	happen is that enough of our players are
4822s	at Power 11 for the Brawlers they play
4825s	and we would need to have a really nice
4827s	gameplay carrot which makes it actually
4829s	you know worth your while to get there
4832s	um else we want to it
4834s	so
4836s	again I lost I lost my train of thought
4845s	the learning so but the gears update it
4849s	actually taught us an important lesson
4851s	because we were we were not internally
4854s	as a team we were not fully aligned on
4855s	the gears update
4856s	there was like initially yeah initially
4859s	initially like when when I released it
4861s	like the the cost of things you know
4863s	they and it was a combination of things
4865s	there was also of course the club league
4866s	with the golden ticket and so there were
4869s	multiple things which were
4871s	where we didn't have the time to discuss
4872s	them properly as a team right where
4875s	where we now we say we're getting hit
4876s	with game design that involves all these
4879s	discussions around it making sure the
4880s	team has alignment or sometimes agrees
4882s	to disagree and move on but at least
4884s	everyone should have a chance to you
4886s	know have the voices heard there should
4887s	be a proper discussion about things
4890s	um
4892s	a year ago or like no yeah yeah a year
4895s	ago the PVE update we had planned to
4899s	roll out we would have launched
4901s	right so now we made the decision not to
4904s	launch it because we had that discussion
4908s	we had we looked we took a serious look
4911s	at we invested time to develop it
4912s	already but we still made the decision
4915s	not to continue not to roll it out
4917s	because we thought it's not hitting
4920s	Quality Bar the team has in mind for
4922s	this
4924s	big and and that is like very different
4926s	to what we did a year before with the
4929s	gears where we did not have this this
4932s	sanity check the step where we're like
4934s	you know we really invested like half a
4937s	year on doing this
4939s	but now that we are here is it the right
4942s	move to release it even though the
4944s	community will be disappointed if
4945s	there's this feature is not coming
4948s	but still was it the right move
4950s	and and I think so so today what this
4954s	taught us as a team is to be much more
4956s	like
4957s	I think we're much more critical about
4958s	what we release we're also designing
4961s	things earlier now and this combination
4962s	of this I think will lead but already
4965s	led to better updates
4966s	if you're looking just back from this or
4968s	even like from before the Star Road from
4970s	the October update on last year to the
4973s	updates we've released this year so far
4976s	I mean judging by you your very
4978s	scientific scoring methodology I I think
4981s	we're doing pretty well yeah and also
4984s	like if you look at the communities and
4985s	where it was in the beginning of well
4987s	like summer 2022 versus where it's now
4990s	it's very different
4991s	it's very different I you know like of
4994s	course you have the occasional guy on
4996s	Twitter or Reddit who is not happy with
4998s	something and that's fine
5001s	but but overall holistically the
5003s	sentiment is so much better we're in so
5005s	much better place
5008s	yep
5010s	no I'd agree with that and there are
5011s	going to be people that uh are going to
5013s	complain about everything even the most
5015s	awesome update bling comes out and
5016s	they're like this is boring and you're
5018s	like
5019s	you're what
5022s	it does hurt you know like if if you're
5025s	if you're the designer behind this or
5028s	the guy who worked on this who put the
5030s	you know like people like Gonzalo or who
5034s	really put like
5035s	energy and love into crafting this and
5038s	then people are like very passionate I
5041s	worked on this for four months and you
5043s	tell me it's boring after you saw a
5046s	sneak peek like one frame somewhere on a
5049s	video and you're like it's boring yeah
5051s	thank you so much do you know what
5053s	really grinds my gears the most don't
5054s	say it because they all
5056s	no no
5060s	no no because not know they can use it
5062s	as a meme you know so it's when people
5064s	go don't they test their game
5067s	that's your whole job I'm like
5070s	I'm just sitting there like I wonder
5072s	yeah
5074s	the one that triggers me and like I'm
5077s	talking about yeah yeah yeah I love it
5080s	okay let's do this let's do this watch
5081s	the one that triggers me is when they
5084s	call us lazy that one is hard my God how
5087s	do we work
5088s	that's harsh yeah fire this guy already
5092s	yeah that was hilarious to me to be
5095s	honest I think like I would just love a
5097s	conversation when you come in like this
5098s	Twitter guy said you need to be fired so
5100s	you're out you're gone
5103s	you're uh I've seen a couple of posts
5106s	like that man people go really hard yeah
5108s	yeah yeah yeah what are you gonna say
5110s	cars well I was gonna say how how
5112s	difficult is for that for you to handle
5114s	that like I don't know as a content
5115s	creator that used to be really hard for
5117s	me when people would complain about my
5119s	own stuff and honestly it was hard for
5121s	me when they would complain about the
5122s	game because it's something that I just
5123s	love so much and I'm passionate about
5125s	um thankfully I've gained thicker skin
5128s	over time and I've tried to figure out
5130s	how what kind of feedback is worth
5132s	listening to and which is not but how is
5135s	the team handling this so is there
5136s	anybody on the team that's just like
5138s	refuses to look at social media because
5139s	they don't want to see it or do you just
5143s	like are you just I don't know where are
5145s	you at there are a bunch of people on
5147s	the team who are not looking at social
5148s	media at all yeah I try I try to which I
5151s	think is perfectly fine yeah
5153s	yeah I tried not to recommend going
5156s	there because like usually like what do
5158s	you get like I'm already my work is to
5161s	translate what the community is saying
5162s	and give to the team right so like the
5164s	benefit you get is that sometimes you
5166s	can get splashed on the head for all of
5168s	nothing and then I we can actually link
5170s	to a question that I was getting a lot
5172s	when I made a tweet it's like people are
5174s	asking like uh for a concept artist to
5177s	post the concepts and like it's it's up
5180s	to her it's her work like it she doesn't
5182s	need to and like uh
5185s	you see like if you pull like your face
5187s	to like uh to be to for people to
5190s	criticize
5191s	like you you would look at the negative
5194s	ones right you don't care like there's a
5196s	million positive comments someone says
5198s	like this design sucks and they're like
5199s	oh my God this is horrible yeah and like
5202s	if you are not prepared or like if you
5204s	are if you don't have like the thick
5206s	skin as you said it can damage you and
5209s	kin can really impact you and like even
5211s	like uh Paul who left the team he's
5213s	still being criticized he's not even the
5215s	team anymore
5217s	this design sucks come on dude I'm not
5220s	even working the thing anymore
5223s	yeah it's like um yeah Frank V what is
5227s	your biggest trigger
5228s	I don't I think fortunately people have
5231s	been quite nice to me on Twitter so far
5233s	but that's because I only created it
5234s	keep it that way please
5236s	last last world uh time to explain they
5240s	need some time to to find out what your
5242s	buttons are yeah yeah I think they do I
5244s	think they do and that's uh hopefully
5246s	it'll they'll be a long time before they
5248s	do
5249s	um but no I I actually people have been
5251s	quite nice actually overall
5254s	I I most of the triggering things I
5256s	think actually Avid someone in the team
5260s	space
5262s	um
5265s	so so I'll just tell a quick story about
5269s	it uh there's actually nothing to do
5272s	with a thing I worked on in the game but
5274s	there was like a debate as to whether it
5276s	was better than this other player at
5279s	brawl stars at this other developer
5283s	oh my God and so on at the end and I'm
5286s	not gonna mention them names all right
5288s	I'm not admitting the names but they
5289s	might have looked up some information
5291s	and was like are you are you like better
5293s	than this Pro per other person and I was
5296s	trying to dig myself out of those hole
5297s	and I felt I was just digging deeper
5299s	where we I agreed during by the way an
5302s	offsite we were like off in another
5303s	country and I had to play a duels match
5306s	1v1 and initially we were like oh we're
5310s	just gonna do this in like the hotel
5312s	lobby and like nobody's gonna be around
5314s	anyways we turned out to do it right
5317s	before like this our bus was going to
5318s	come to take us to the next location and
5320s	so everybody was like in the lobby area
5322s	and they were like hey what if you they
5324s	look like they're playing against you
5325s	there because we were both like really
5326s	you know when you play duels it's like
5328s	sweaty right it's intense it's super
5330s	sweaty and uh and we play the best of
5333s	three
5334s	and I won by like a very thin margin
5338s	and I just felt horrible because like I
5343s	realized you realize that like what is
5344s	the point that I've proven that it was
5347s	marginally better than this other person
5348s	on the team meanwhile now he feels kind
5352s	of crappy and he's like afterwards she
5354s	was kind of like
5355s	we should do a rematch sometime
5362s	yeah I am I'm known to be quite
5365s	competitive uh when it comes to
5367s	competition related things and so um
5369s	yeah this is this is it was good fun
5372s	yeah you don't like to be called The
5373s	Casual
5376s	I actually I hate this kind of
5377s	situations when people uh they keep
5379s	asking like uh can I play against you
5382s	then or something like in this situation
5384s	I can only lose yeah because if I win
5386s	then I keep my reputation If I Lose I'm
5389s	humiliated right it's like that it's
5391s	better not to just not do it yeah just
5394s	don't do it well is there anything that
5396s	you would like to say to the community
5397s	that you haven't had an opportunity to
5398s	before
5400s	I mean Frank is very open with his
5402s	feelings toward the community
5404s	but like you know let's say you have
5406s	people that are you know willing to say
5408s	these negative things like what would
5409s	you just say to them
5411s	I think I've said this many times before
5413s	but I would I would Echo it um it's
5415s	completely fine to be critical like we
5417s	don't mind that at all just try to
5420s	explain why try to explain what makes
5423s	you feel a certain way how do you feel
5424s	what made you feel that way if you say
5426s	something is bad we can't do much with
5428s	that if you say I felt bad playing Club
5431s	League because I can only play twice as
5434s	an example then we know exactly what's
5436s	what what you feel is wrong and we can
5438s	actually action that that's a great
5440s	point to bring up in discussion yeah
5441s	absolutely that's a huge difference in
5443s	how you present your feedback we love
5445s	like actual criticism if we can action
5448s	it right right I I can promise you like
5451s	most most people who would join us in
5453s	design discussions Etc would likely Melt
5457s	Away
5458s	over how heated these discussions are
5460s	LED
5461s	but they're all led by arguments and
5463s	that that's a it's about the thing and
5465s	the argument is not calling as lazy or
5467s	yeah or you know and it's not again like
5471s	if you just write this is bad or I don't
5473s	like this feature you made or the skin
5475s	is or whatever it is then we we will
5478s	just not read it that's that's a
5481s	practice so if you want to be here get
5482s	ignored if you would if you want to be
5484s	heard then you need to have something to
5487s	you know if you write a comment under
5489s	under the browser's account on done is
5492s	these aliens on my Twitter account
5495s	if if you write something like this that
5497s	you getting zero attention from us
5500s	it just does do nothing it's like you
5503s	just wasted time to write this even
5505s	though you feel something obviously and
5506s	you'd like to have a reason why you feel
5508s	like this it just like it it doesn't do
5511s	anything it's a waste of time
5513s	um it's there's a similar Behavior like
5516s	this
5517s	there are some people in the community
5519s	who escalate everything everything is a
5523s	problem yeah like like this brawler this
5526s	this everything every brawler is op
5528s	every brawler is underpowered something
5531s	is wrong with everything we do
5533s	and again it's like you might even have
5535s	good points or good arguments sometimes
5538s	on why that is a reason
5540s	but you know there's the the boy who
5541s	cried wolf is is that kind of
5544s	if you're everyday crying wolf and
5546s	there's never a wolf then eventually the
5548s	the people in the town will stop
5549s	listening to you even if there's a wolf
5552s	even though they would like to know that
5554s	there's a wolf
5555s	and it's similar for us if someone is
5558s	talking about every single thing we do
5560s	and every balance change every
5562s	everything
5563s	then eventually we stop listening even
5566s	though and that's like it's not even
5568s	it's not a conscious decision
5570s	it's a it's human psychology you were
5572s	just you're like okay
5574s	this this person said 10 different
5576s	things now nine times it was
5579s	nothing
5581s	and now the tenth time there might be
5582s	something to it but
5584s	will you still have the mental energy
5586s	and and and bandwidth to take that in or
5589s	not
5590s	and the likelihood is not well if you
5592s	have someone who's only choosing to post
5594s	once but makes a really good point and
5596s	has an argument and you know lights it
5598s	out then you're much more likely to
5600s	listen yeah so it's like lesson from
5602s	this pick your battles it's really a
5606s	quality over quantity yeah for sure for
5608s	sure we do the same thing on Team by the
5611s	way when it comes to these discussions
5613s	you can't have an opinion on everything
5614s	because we're just never gonna get
5616s	anywhere yeah yeah pick your battles yep
5621s	yeah I pick all of the battles
5624s	yeah you do videos
5626s	but no no like for example we raise an
5629s	update and you pick one item from the
5631s	update right it's not like you go
5633s	through every item in the update and
5636s	then you criticize everything so like
5638s	you pick the battle that makes sense for
5640s	you in this update so that that's what I
5642s	always talk about a lot of the good
5643s	things as well you know I talk about hey
5645s	here's all the good stuff and this is
5646s	what I like about it you know 9.5 out of
5649s	10 for this last update but here are the
5651s	few things that I would have liked to
5653s	improve you know yeah yeah and that's
5655s	totally fair again like as a team
5657s	we have huge discussions about
5660s	everything we do essentially
5663s	and maybe you know that's that's one
5664s	point that you know tried to explain
5666s	what you feel and why you feel and the
5668s	second and what's easy to forget is that
5670s	we're all in the same boat you want you
5673s	want the game to be the best it can be
5674s	yeah we want the game to be the best it
5676s	can be yeah you know okay we win really
5678s	yeah and honestly I think people forget
5680s	that you guys care more about brawl
5683s	Stars than most people yeah oh for sure
5685s	yeah absolutely like you're you spend
5689s	eight hours a day at least just thinking
5691s	about brawl Stars most people are really
5693s	passionate I mean they maybe play an
5695s	hour or two some people play more than
5697s	eight hours a day though so I don't know
5698s	I think it's a it's a safe to say that
5701s	there's likely not many people outside
5703s	of this office which spend more time
5706s	thinking breathing
5709s	brawl
5710s	like it's just like
5713s	it's literally our life at the moment
5715s	yeah so
5717s	so it's what it is like and you cannot
5719s	really turn off you know there's a
5721s	there's a an interesting
5724s	process related video coming out while
5725s	you're on vacation you're lucky to watch
5727s	it and it's like so the starting off is
5730s	easier said than done especially if you
5733s	also like playing the game which we do
5736s	so I was like
5738s	a great example actually when I when I
5741s	um play any other games sometimes and I
5742s	sit in a queue I'll play Brawl Stars
5745s	matches in between
5746s	yeah you know like uh What uh before I
5751s	was playing mobile games for like two
5754s	yeah to wait for the loading times of
5757s	the big games yeah and then I think I I
5759s	it was even before I got higher uh at
5762s	supercell I was playing Red Dead
5763s	Redemption which has like massive
5765s	loading times nowadays and then I start
5767s	playing brawl like oh I think I'm just
5770s	keep playing this game and ignore this
5773s	this year
5775s	yeah
5776s	change the game uh by the way uh we've
5781s	talked a lot and for the sake of this
5785s	video not having like another three
5786s	hours uh should we Speed Run uh some
5790s	topics maybe maybe it's a sneak peak
5792s	time whatever you guys seeing
5798s	I have a I have a gameplay
5801s	game for you
5803s	maybe let's see Frank agrees
5805s	I will drop
5808s	five items and cairo's pick one to
5811s	review for the community okay
5813s	whoa
5814s	like we will edit the items out
5818s	okay yeah I'm gonna pick one of these
5820s	these next five things that we get to
5822s	reveal to everybody oh boy but this one
5825s	is very big I'm writing them all down
5827s	for myself though I was unaware of this
5830s	format but this uh I'm just as excited
5832s	to see what you're gonna do do I have
5834s	like total freedom
5837s	I mean you know what you're shipping yes
5842s	so uh do you wanna know do you wanna
5845s	know
5855s	do you want to know about the
5864s	yep
5868s	oh
5876s	I was not expecting this
5880s	I'm not expecting this whoa everybody
5883s	doesn't know what I just heard but um
5886s	please make a note that we edit this
5888s	part just edited just before and just
5891s	get it to react yeah wow
5895s	oh
5898s	this is really hard oh also out of
5900s	context this is really really hard yeah
5902s	this is like this is hard
5904s	okay I'm gonna eliminate that one
5908s	um
5911s	okay I've got my pick
5914s	because this is spicy
5916s	um I want you guys to talk about the new
5919s	gotcha
5921s	I somehow thought that would be the pick
5925s	I got it now how can you make these
5927s	mysterious and not giving too much yeah
5929s	so gotcha for those of you guys are not
5931s	aware of is brawl boxes yeah or maybe
5935s	not brawl boxes specifically but that's
5937s	what brawl boxes are or gotcha mechanic
5939s	in games in game development it's type
5941s	of game development so
5943s	apparently there's new gotcha so the
5945s	question is how can you guys talk about
5946s	it without revealing too much is that
5947s	what we mean
5949s	well I don't know is that new gotcha
5951s	yeah
5952s	I guess we can start by saying that
5958s	following the Star Road update yeah yeah
5961s	there has been feedback blah blah blah
5963s	the number one actually yeah
5970s	oh this connection breaks up
5977s	for brawl Stars right now is they remove
5981s	bra boxes that's right which by the way
5984s	I will say that like brawl Stars
5986s	removing brawl boxes was incredibly
5988s	polarizing and I think that most people
5990s	can agree it was an awesome change it
5992s	was fantastic gotcha in the sense that
5995s	brawl boxes was like there's a little
5997s	bit of like I don't know and I have
5998s	nothing wrong with with gotcha in games
6000s	I don't but for an audience as young as
6002s	brawl Stars it's a little bit of a
6005s	concern now for All Stars is for all
6007s	boxes were very friendly they were very
6010s	friendly in my in comparison to most
6012s	games but but that is the number one
6014s	piece of feedback people like that
6015s	dopamine kick of like a new brawler from
6017s	a brawl box or something like that so
6019s	maybe let's say
6021s	sorry I'll let you guys talk I actually
6022s	want to know what you're going to say so
6023s	maybe you can say like we'll try to
6025s	address the feedback of like people not
6027s	not being super excited about how they
6029s	get rewards yeah yeah hopefully we bring
6032s	Justice to some of the issues that were
6035s	raised as a result of our December
6038s	update last year yeah I think I think
6040s	it's really fair to say that like like
6042s	we we got a bunch of feedback coming out
6045s	of the Star Road update right so there
6048s	was a bunch of feedback
6050s	um most of which we have addressed by
6052s	now
6053s	and the the remaining item which is
6056s	unaddressed is the I really like the the
6059s	the randomness the fun in that
6062s	and it's astani or Adrian said it's like
6066s	we are we're not
6069s	nobody in this room hates loot boxes or
6072s	gotcha it's like and you know we have
6075s	games where it's just normal that it's
6077s	there
6078s	and there's technically no issue with
6080s	this
6081s	so for us like
6083s	it was more like
6085s	we didn't like that it created this UNFI
6087s	unfair unfair side of things that some
6090s	people got a lot and some people got
6092s	very little and that some people in very
6094s	you know like who started at the same
6095s	moment had like very different
6097s	experience based on that
6099s	and so that we addressed
6101s	but at the same time we do understand
6103s	that it's really exciting to it it was a
6107s	really exciting moment to you know see a
6109s	bigger number there on the broad box
6111s	and yet there you're like oh oh this
6113s	this could be like something big this
6115s	could be great for my for my account
6116s	this could be the brawler I wanted or
6118s	whatever it is
6120s	and as a team we discussed like how can
6122s	we
6123s	how can we bring that back
6125s	without you know without thinking about
6127s	monetization or anything like this in a
6130s	way that that that fits the game that is
6133s	not literally bringing boxes back and so
6135s	on and so forth but having these having
6137s	exciting moments you know every day in
6141s	the life of our players
6143s	which give a little bit of this
6145s	of this random moment where it could be
6148s	something really small
6149s	or it could be something super exciting
6152s	and that's uh yeah that's what we're
6155s	working on yep so to be clear you're not
6158s	completely getting rid of the new system
6161s	no and no number all boxes back the new
6163s	no the new system is not going anywhere
6165s	it's it's our normal operation mode and
6168s	and we like how it works and yeah you
6171s	know like it it actually performs really
6173s	well so
6175s	and again like one like actually
6177s	one-third also of the feedback we
6179s	received after the update was that
6181s	people liked that we removed the
6182s	randomness yeah and and that they had
6185s	now a clear path to unlock a brawl and
6187s	we don't want to take that away
6189s	so so that is not gonna go away
6192s	yep
6194s	yep
6195s	um do you want to go so I just want to
6197s	say one more thing sorry I just have so
6200s	many questions tonight I know that you
6201s	don't want to reveal absolutely
6202s	everything
6203s	um
6204s	but what you're saying is you want to
6207s	bring some of the positives that we had
6209s	from the randomness of of loot boxes
6212s	basically and somehow putting it into
6215s	the game to make things maybe a maybe a
6218s	little bit more random and maybe a
6219s	little bit more exciting but not in a
6221s	way that's going to ruin the playing or
6224s	not not in a way that's going to
6225s	completely change the current system
6228s	that's correct that that's a fair way to
6230s	say it fair assessment it's a fair way
6231s	of saying it yes okay I'm trying to
6234s	think if I can like what can I just
6238s	whole from this conversation it's over
6240s	sneak peek time is over oh wow
6245s	police Denny's here
6250s	uh so should we go like through more
6253s	items of the update or Should Skip to
6255s	the questions let's go to the questions
6257s	questions I think we cover pretty much
6259s	everything Speed Run questions okay
6261s	let's go do you have questions also from
6263s	the players Kairos yeah did you have
6265s	other things you wanted to ask
6266s	so a lot of my questions I've actually
6268s	kind of gathered
6270s	um and I've already asked I do have like
6272s	a couple of questions but I think it's
6273s	important we go over the questions that
6275s	your community has responded first sure
6278s	so that's our community
6280s	true well the brawl Stars people
6282s	specifically responding to brawl Stars
6284s	yes because they want to be a part of
6285s	the future or the yeah
6288s	so Vicky uh at V clasher uh why uh the
6294s	working version of the report system has
6296s	come out still when to expect I guess we
6298s	can talk about the report why it's not
6301s	uh we are taking actions why
6305s	can I should I answer it sure yeah well
6308s	I guess we start we are collecting data
6310s	that's what how we release that and then
6314s	um we are trying to still figure out
6316s	like if reports
6318s	um give us a meaningful uh data right so
6321s	like our data scientists trying to match
6323s	like this this person has like the
6326s	highest number of reports uh how is the
6330s	game Behavior like the the player
6332s	behavior in game and that's only done
6335s	through data so like it's not watching
6337s	replays we want to figure out a number
6340s	that tells that this is this report is
6343s	legit and like to figure out that it's
6346s	quite hard because like you have to I
6348s	know if the player is Noob like you
6351s	can't punish this guy right it we can't
6353s	have like false positives no it's like
6355s	we it takes a lot of time but it's in
6357s	the back of our minds like uh or data
6359s	scientists or support a person they are
6362s	highly passionate about this feature and
6365s	yeah there's like a whole supporting
6367s	also behind that too
6369s	um help but yeah it takes time so like
6373s	uh it's not that we abandon it's just
6376s	that uh maybe the priority is not as
6378s	high but it's still there's people
6379s	working on it and thinking about it
6383s	is a good one nothing to add that's good
6385s	that's great
6389s	and next question from udashi
6393s	uh do you plan to change the trophy
6395s	system I guess like it's the overall
6397s	rework not like there is that I'm not
6399s	talking about the reset Etc but about
6401s	doing a total overall uh today we have
6404s	to play too much to climb to climb it's
6407s	a trophy and this bothers me to the
6409s	point that I only play in Stars cup just
6413s	imagine up 68 Brothers 500 trophies it's
6416s	not difficult but too long and
6418s	restrictive in terms of time
6420s	I think we touched a little bit on that
6421s	that we are also not satisfied with the
6423s	system yep
6425s	um so I think something will change
6426s	sooner or later
6432s	one small comment there like
6435s	70 72 100 brought us
6439s	of course if you if you say it like that
6441s	and you say you have to play
6443s	100 brothers from zero to 500 it sounds
6445s	like a lot right yeah yeah but in
6447s	practice that's not how it is actually
6449s	and practices you're unlocking Brawlers
6452s	piece by piece and if you're playing the
6454s	game for a while likely you have more
6455s	sprawlers that means only when we
6457s	release a new brawler or you unlock a
6459s	new roller on the Star Road you're
6460s	playing them to 500. and we I actually I
6464s	don't agree with that statement as a
6466s	I think it's completely fair to expect
6468s	to put on my free to play account Series
6471s	where I am going from start to finish
6472s	with the new system you get Brawlers at
6474s	a slow enough Cadence that you can push
6477s	them all one at a time yeah yeah but so
6480s	I will agree with what udachi is saying
6483s	here is that like eventually some sort
6486s	of change to the trophy system probably
6487s	has to happen but the question is do you
6490s	focus on it now or do you release
6492s	different content that's new and
6493s	exciting or do you wait until you have a
6495s	better idea of it so yeah all right
6498s	we're thinking about this though yeah
6500s	we're actively thinking about it but
6501s	it's not in a design stage yet it's like
6504s	we are we are we're discussing what our
6506s	options are what we want to do in the
6507s	future so there's no timeline or
6509s	anything yeah
6511s	uh question from flesh with C very
6514s	important uh are you planning to rework
6517s	the training cave in a new near future
6519s	update
6522s	would be cool but yeah I guess on the
6525s	priority list is not at the top no it's
6528s	a priority level one out of ten in my
6531s	book well I mean unless flesh has some
6533s	things specific maybe let us know all
6537s	right yeah he or she doesn't yeah I mean
6539s	there's a like we have a bunch of ideas
6541s	because I mean we will be getting this
6543s	ask frequently you know have a moving
6546s	like moving Target there do you have a
6548s	have a ball there and the goal yeah you
6551s	know have different things there allow
6553s	us to automatically charge supers or
6556s	like whatever it is yeah so that there's
6558s	some some of these requests of course
6559s	but again
6560s	right now it's like
6562s	it's not our priority
6564s	yeah
6567s	wow that's one of the questions as well
6569s	uh Asen at Crow man
6574s	uh it's someone healthy to play Power
6575s	League nowadays even after so many tries
6578s	to end teaming oh wait that's another
6579s	question
6581s	two questions yeah ignore the party
6583s	because you already talked about it it's
6585s	like uh some party changes uh and then
6588s	the next question is like about teaming
6590s	even after so many tries to end teaming
6592s	solo Showdown
6593s	releasing new modes it's still the same
6596s	it's like a I guess
6599s	how would you solve teaming
6601s	yeah
6602s	even though I'm not a developer
6604s	at this point I think it's impossible
6607s	wait wait
6609s	I think I think everything has a
6611s	solution right it can't can't be can't
6612s	be impossible it's not impossible but
6614s	it's not impossible to stop teaming but
6617s	is the solution to stop teaming going to
6619s	take away from the game yeah in a way
6621s	because like is it fun you guys just
6622s	added hot dog top dogs Showdown or
6625s	whatever it is and that was another
6626s	attempt to try and get people to stop
6628s	from teaming and it didn't work you guys
6630s	have done everything to try and stop
6631s	teaming I've been super against teaming
6633s	from the very beginning I've like built
6636s	up a whole campaign about stop the spin
6637s	way back in the early beta days and
6640s	every single suggestion that I see I
6641s	think if it was implemented that would
6644s	actually remove teaming would make
6645s	Showdown not fun yeah yeah you know like
6649s	teaming I mean it will
6652s	teaming happens in all kind of Battle
6654s	Royale games yeah
6656s	um it's just that in most Battle Royale
6657s	games the maps are so big
6659s	that you know like you're running around
6662s	for 10 minutes without seeing someone
6664s	and then then eventually you meet
6666s	someone and then you you don't know you
6668s	know you want that gear
6670s	and it's like the the stakes are much
6672s	higher than than in showdown in a way
6674s	and then shot on you immediately see you
6677s	know everything almost it's like it's
6679s	it's it's very fast
6682s	um it also only takes like 90 seconds
6685s	an average so so it's like
6688s	but we still haven't given up on the
6690s	idea of trying to fix teaming and some
6693s	of these things like shot on plus now
6695s	the the top dog modifier
6697s	it's not like they're doing nothing
6699s	they're just not doing enough they're
6701s	typically they're typically pushed like
6703s	the the moment you experience teaming up
6706s	some trophies like shot on plus moved it
6709s	like from 650 to you know 700 or so
6713s	in average
6714s	and we'd still but it doesn't feel like
6718s	a breakthrough exactly you know it's
6720s	incremental Improvement it doesn't feel
6722s	great
6723s	but I think I think we're not done with
6726s	trying
6727s	and we might try
6730s	some more Extreme Measures
6733s	in trying to fix it who knows yeah I
6736s	think I think there is a solution don't
6738s	don't be hopeless Kairos thank you I
6741s	appreciate you restoring hope in me
6742s	don't worry because I gave up a while
6744s	ago yeah and I think like also like we
6747s	are a very
6748s	careful like let's say like we do like a
6750s	total revamp up Showdown and we had like
6752s	the only way to play Showdown now is
6754s	this new mode and remove the old
6756s	Showdown it could hurt the game so much
6758s	right well showdown's one of the most
6759s	popular games if it is yeah it might be
6762s	the most popular it is but funnily
6765s	enough
6765s	it's it's not not the game mode where
6769s	people have the most fun
6771s	as measured by how long they play
6773s	process
6775s	so people who stick around and play
6777s	browsers for a long time
6779s	play 3v3
6782s	and that that is something which is like
6784s	where where instead of looking at it
6786s	like very zoomed out just just looking
6790s	at how many people play which mode
6792s	I think it's also too important to look
6794s	at like how many people play exclusively
6797s	Showdown for example
6798s	and
6800s	like how how does their behavior as a
6802s	player look compared to everyone else
6805s	and if they don't stick around as long
6807s	as people play 3v3
6809s	that tells you something right
6812s	so
6813s	so I think while Dany is right that it's
6816s	it's scary to make a change in Showdown
6819s	but we we have this world where we have
6821s	modifiers right we have some modifiers
6824s	in place already
6825s	it would be relatively easy for us to
6828s	make some smaller tweaks here and there
6829s	and try something more drastic in the
6831s	regular Showdown because we can just
6833s	apply a modifier to all the maps and
6835s	rotation right that doesn't need us
6837s	really to change Showdown we could also
6840s	change the rewards we're giving you know
6843s	how many people are getting trophies
6845s	like who's getting trophies for what
6848s	and I think there must be a level where
6850s	we we might not want to go to or maybe
6853s	we want to go places where only the best
6854s	player in the team in the in the room
6856s	get something
6857s	right so like
6860s	can we change the it we need to address
6863s	the why why are people teaming
6865s	because they think they make progress
6867s	like this yeah
6869s	and if we if we manage to address that
6871s	that will be a solution
6874s	and yeah maybe we have to be drastic and
6875s	try it out because if it's not good for
6878s	the game because the retention for those
6879s	players is worse anyway
6881s	wouldn't it be better if you push people
6883s	to play 3v3 or really try to make a
6886s	change it's scary it's super scary but
6889s	you know we have a reputation of being
6891s	pretty willing to take risks as well yes
6896s	so yeah
6898s	so let's see let's see people we are in
6901s	we're still in fighting mood yes don't
6903s	give up hope don't give up that's the
6905s	lesson here uh question from Yuna uh I
6909s	enjoyed watching the first episode okay
6911s	it's
6912s	kudos to us for watching this but yeah
6915s	do you have any plans to improve map
6917s	maker
6921s	there for the sound of the silence
6925s	yes
6927s	um I would we we have ideas
6933s	we have ideas that's a very diplomatic
6936s	way that's better than not having ideas
6938s	I think ideas before plans right when
6941s	when we touched on the topic earlier of
6946s	um investing a lot of development time
6948s	in something uncertain
6951s	map maker is surely that
6954s	like we we have glorious ideas
6957s	it's not just ideas they're really cool
6959s	ideas but
6961s	but the amount of effort that will take
6966s	means that that most people for the next
6969s	three to six updates would complain that
6972s	we're only releasing Brawlers and skins
6974s	so so so the it's it's a tricky thing so
6979s	so we really have to think about that I
6981s	mean we are actually all fans of map
6983s	maker it's like map maker like had such
6987s	a good impact on browser when it was
6988s	released
6989s	and there's loads of opportunities there
6991s	and it's very clear that our players
6992s	want to create stuff and play stuff
6994s	and we also we're not happy with how it
6997s	is today I think the editor itself is
6998s	fine it's mostly like the you know how
7001s	you green light maps for example
7003s	and of course there could be much more
7005s	functionality behind map maker
7008s	and yeah in theory we'd love to do that
7011s	but but yeah right now it's just ideas
7013s	and again it's a it's a big gamble for
7016s	us to take if that has any positive
7018s	impact on the game yeah right exactly
7022s	yeah we've also talked about mode maker
7024s	we're super excited about that you know
7026s	there's clearly something positive and
7028s	this was shown by a bunch of content
7030s	creators OJ included which was that you
7032s	know you could have really compelling
7034s	user generated content that can keep
7036s	other players entertained for you know
7038s	months but uh and and we certainly do
7042s	not want to Discount how important that
7045s	is in a game like brawl Stars which is
7047s	in a lot of ways a game a collection of
7050s	games
7050s	and it's more that there's some other
7052s	things that are kind of of higher
7054s	priority that we want to address first
7056s	and this comes down to ruthless
7057s	prioritization and so it is not
7061s	currently sort of what we're actively
7063s	working on
7064s	but the future is long
7067s	yeah and another question from the same
7070s	person uh I think it's very interesting
7072s	like which feature would you like to
7073s	bring from another game to Pro and why
7076s	maybe just like one of us answering
7079s	we go to the next one such a good
7081s	question actually it's a great question
7085s	I'm talking too much you can you can go
7087s	both okay it's five minutes I want to
7090s	play uh Power league but in Duo
7092s	I want to play with with two people and
7095s	and you feel the third one okay but
7097s	that's that's what I want to do that
7099s	would be so cool from what game
7102s	a lot of games rocket league as an
7105s	example oh oh okay yeah yeah okay then
7107s	I'll be quick as well uh I would like um
7111s	Apex or Like A League of Legends they
7114s	have these uh where you pick a role when
7116s	you're going for to play a match and I
7118s	think our look for a team it doesn't do
7120s	the job that it should uh and I think
7123s	those things like um you get a support
7125s	and then you play a support and then
7127s	that's it so like you can see like your
7129s	team being formed as you go to the
7132s	matchmaking right now it's like you have
7134s	to wait and then you have to check uh
7135s	this is it the player I want to play
7137s	with and then you suggest a brawler and
7138s	then like I don't want to play this
7139s	brother and I ah I just want to play a
7142s	game so like something like this is like
7143s	an automated uh looking forward thing
7145s	you want better looking for a team Yes
7146s	actually I do have a quick response as
7147s	well which was if you think about brawl
7149s	Stars when I first started you know a
7151s	lot of people fell in the game because
7152s	the 3v3 format
7155s	um we could do better at getting people
7157s	to party up properly and I think that
7160s	would be very helpful and you know some
7162s	of the things that these two find
7163s	General have just mentioned also kind of
7165s	illustrate the point that it's trying to
7167s	being made here is I think we do a lot
7169s	more to improve you know partying up
7170s	whether that's with strangers or with
7172s	friends than we currently do so maybe I
7174s	recently on my channel yeah majority of
7177s	people play with randoms a majority of
7179s	people do not like playing with randoms
7182s	I don't know if that's actually true but
7184s	the sentiment on my channel it's like I
7188s	we we asked this question at a point in
7190s	a survey
7191s	and there was a surprising amount of
7193s	people who wanted to play solo actually
7195s	um so it's not like some people don't
7197s	what have they just want to play a game
7199s	in a fun they don't want to think about
7201s	like finer people and making friends and
7204s	all of that sure but I I do I do agree
7208s	like we can do a much better job with
7210s	social in general yeah yeah so so I
7212s	think like even the club experience is
7214s	not great you know like you know you you
7217s	reach 900 trophies your place in a club
7220s	um because of how the the underlying
7224s	technology works there's a good chance
7226s	that you will be in a dead Club
7228s	so and that doesn't feel great so so
7231s	like this but again like going back to
7233s	this 3v3 thing
7236s	personally
7237s	um and I think I'm not alone on this
7239s	table at least the best moments of
7241s	playing browsers is with with two other
7243s	people and that's usually done in Adrian
7245s	of course and the three of us are there
7247s	are loving sound
7250s	that's loving I like that so the three
7253s	of us when we play together I think
7254s	that's uh the most fun I have in Brawl
7256s	yeah so like how can we how can we bring
7260s	this to more people
7262s	that would be like yeah and how to
7265s	encourage it in a natural way yeah
7267s	because I agree with you exactly I love
7269s	the special events because I can grab
7271s	two of my best friends that I actively
7273s	like to play with but then Club League I
7275s	don't like being forced to play with
7277s	random people because scheduling doesn't
7278s	always work out and I'm in a club with
7280s	people that might not align with my sure
7283s	yeah you get where I'm coming from yeah
7285s	I think we all feel the same way yeah so
7287s	cairos what's what's your dream feature
7289s	from another well I I'm currently
7291s	playing a lot of old school RuneScape
7293s	wow yeah oh man I'm loving it and one I
7297s	love about the game is
7300s	really difficult bosses and I know that
7303s	brawl stars is not a PVE game but I
7306s	loved even when brawl stars were first
7309s	released Robo Rumble and when they first
7311s	released boss fight
7313s	um that it was it was very hype then and
7317s	uh but they also release other ones like
7320s	super City Rampage that that wasn't very
7323s	hype you know so I I don't know but if
7325s	brawl Stars could somehow incorporate
7327s	really sweaty fun PVE elements into the
7331s	game in a balanced way so multiple
7333s	Brawlers could be viable I would love
7336s	that
7337s	would it have to be balanced to be fun
7339s	no no yeah um I I think unbalanced is
7343s	also fun as long as the boss fights are
7346s	also unbalanced you know I think maybe
7348s	there's only but but also I like variety
7351s	and so I would like lots of different
7354s	really strong bosses maybe one clears
7356s	swarms and so you want to do heavy
7360s	hitting damage dealers and maybe one
7362s	spawns swarms so you have to do AOE
7364s	damage and like I want lots of different
7365s	types of things you guys are game
7367s	developers you've played a fantastic PVE
7369s	games you know exactly what I'm talking
7371s	about this isn't anything new but that's
7373s	what I would love if that could be in
7374s	Brawl Stars oh it would be awesome you
7376s	might have to develop a whole other game
7378s	around it though yeah I think uh maybe I
7380s	don't know if I should say that or not
7382s	but like I think the PV is highly
7384s	inspired by a whole like roguelike
7385s	roguelike games right so I think that's
7388s	what we're trying to achieve that's what
7390s	we didn't achieve with our first concept
7392s	so I guess like even though like we
7394s	didn't like uh remove it from our list
7396s	it's just like dear
7398s	but I think those Concepts like a boss
7401s	that is really hard to to get like
7403s	progression that you like you get your
7405s	brother stronger stronger and then you
7407s	have to fight these balls and maybe
7409s	my my dream to have bullet hell moments
7412s	where like you have to dodge and maybe
7413s	like you even make Martin's viable
7415s	because it's so agile that like maybe if
7418s	you like one boss you have to survive
7420s	for uh two minutes and then Mark this
7424s	could be a good option but something
7425s	like that wait mortise is viable yeah I
7428s	don't know what he's talking about
7429s	oh my god let's not go there again how
7432s	many total trophies you have V you don't
7434s	have to answer that next question yeah
7438s	um
7438s	oh yeah so there is uh lauro he asked
7441s	about the concepts from the concept
7442s	artist and I talked about about that
7444s	already and also I talked to her and
7447s	she's up to being a podcast So
7449s	eventually she'll be here and then she
7451s	can talk about all the the brother she
7453s	makes
7454s	um
7455s	appreciate door good name
7458s	Ah that's one for Kairos because he said
7461s	in the podcast with OJ like one feature
7464s	that it was going to go into the Star
7466s	Road and he said like because of your
7468s	feedback it got removed and you said it
7471s	was a really bad feature yes and I don't
7474s	know if it was a really awful feature
7476s	but the idea was that like as of right
7478s	now when you are unlocking a brawler you
7481s	can switch between your choice whenever
7483s	you want
7485s	um and
7486s	it's you can do it at the beginning you
7488s	can do it at the very end you can do it
7489s	in the middle at the time there was
7491s	discussion with the developer team and
7493s	they asked us for our feedback on this
7494s	is how would you feel if you couldn't
7497s	switch or how would you feel if you
7499s	could only switch once or how would you
7501s	feel if you could spend gems to switch
7504s	or something like that there was a lot
7505s	of ideas being thrown around and all of
7508s	our feedback was just let everybody
7510s	switch all the time don't mess with it
7512s	because otherwise there will be people
7513s	as frustrated and upset
7515s	um and I think that that goes back to
7517s	kind of what I said earlier is that I
7519s	love that you guys have plans for the
7521s	future because you are bringing some of
7522s	these Concepts to us and we're not the
7524s	end-all be all we're not developers but
7527s	we're really good at giving a gut check
7529s	of how the audience would respond to
7532s	stuff because we're only focusing on
7536s	player reaction if people don't watch
7538s	our videos
7539s	we we know why most of the time you know
7541s	and so it's like
7542s	I don't know but I like that I thought
7544s	it was fantastic you guys brought that
7546s	to us and shared it to us so we could
7547s	share some feedback on it and just to be
7549s	clear supercell does not always share
7551s	everything with us we don't have sneak
7553s	peeks months in advance most of the time
7555s	we don't know what's happening until the
7557s	day before brawltalk gets released but
7559s	every now and then when you guys doing
7561s	big changes like that you do reach out
7562s	to us and um we are involved with that
7564s	and that's that's really fun I really
7565s	appreciate that as a content creator and
7567s	also a part of the community
7569s	sometimes
7570s	when the design is so complicated and
7573s	there's so much debate as to whether
7575s	something that we're trying to do should
7579s	be done
7580s	the best decision is to not do it at all
7583s	and in this case that it applies we are
7587s	the simplest design actually worked
7590s	which was giving players the option to
7592s	choose and that's not always very clear
7595s	until you get to hindsight and so I'm
7598s	really glad that we was able to we were
7601s	able to come to this conclusion before
7602s	reaching hindsight
7604s	on this it would have been awful yeah
7606s	and the community would have been really
7608s	upset a lot of negative feedback over a
7611s	great update unfortunately yeah that
7612s	that was my actually point when I uh I
7615s	meant to like we have like this massive
7617s	update and it's beautiful how we man
7619s	managed to remove boxes and add these
7621s	like streamlined uh progression right
7624s	but if we have this thing everything
7626s	will be like blurred nobody will care
7628s	about the whole thing we did we've done
7630s	and then
7632s	for but for context like on the other
7634s	hand
7635s	the thing that is like um like we wanted
7638s	to do that to call some friction and I
7640s	have like the players like should I buy
7641s	this brawler and then we can monetize
7643s	more right which we sometimes which is a
7646s	concern monetization was a concern you
7647s	guys need to protect the game's
7649s	longevity absolutely and there was a
7651s	valid reason behind it yeah and the
7652s	thing is that like it's not that it's
7655s	easily comparable to what we had before
7656s	because the system doesn't exist like if
7658s	there is a possibility to release like
7660s	this
7661s	um I don't know friction or like
7663s	something that you could uh
7665s	change our numbers for the better
7667s	it's it's when we redo a whole system
7670s	right like if we add now this change it
7673s	will be presumably so poorly but if we
7675s	had a moment to do that is when we're
7676s	introduced in the future and that's why
7678s	we we want like just do like a final
7680s	check if we are insane or if it was a
7684s	good call yeah
7686s	uh what's good
7689s	was it a good example that you have uh
7692s	you have of
7694s	you have of the most perfect balanced
7697s	browler like a brother exam ah like an
7700s	example of like a really good balance
7701s	brawler that you're proud of do you have
7703s	one absolutely uh
7707s	uh don't say Shelly I'm not saying I was
7709s	gonna say if he says right now I'm not
7712s	saying Shelly I think Buzz I think Buzz
7713s	is a perfect example he's he has a very
7716s	clear principle
7719s	he was released Mega broken
7722s	now okay now we're talking about now
7725s	okay because he has a he has a really
7727s	easy principle of how he plays and how
7730s	you should play against him and what you
7731s	should avoid he does one thing and one
7733s	thing only and it's it's what he wants
7735s	to do and it's what you what you have to
7737s	avoid and um of course if you don't know
7740s	his mechanic then you learn it and then
7742s	you learn how to play against them but
7744s	his whole existence revolves around his
7746s	basically super or his Gadget so you
7749s	have to just you know figure out how to
7751s	play around it and I think his numbers
7752s	are good
7754s	um and I would consider him one of the
7755s	more balanced Brawlers currently so Buzz
7758s	has only ever received one balance yeah
7760s	I wouldn't say bus ever and it was a
7762s	buff to his health
7764s	I
7766s	was hearing about Buster for some reason
7770s	he wasn't broken he was perfect fine I
7773s	said he was changing the meta without
7774s	any balance right yeah yes and just
7777s	people learning how to play against and
7778s	yeah yeah so that would be my personal
7780s	pick yeah cool
7782s	next question yes I failed I I heard
7785s	poster that's okay maybe yes
7790s	there's a lot of brawlers yeah there's a
7793s	fair few yeah uh are you planning on ah
7796s	don't forget the name uh are you
7799s	planning on adding more depth to the
7800s	brow Stars gameplay like an ultimate or
7803s	something
7805s	I can talk about that because I practice
7807s	uh with v like uh yeah
7811s	what we've haven't done in this year is
7815s	like a big change to gameplay right and
7817s	I think we want to have like uh as you
7819s	Frank uh touch on that before we don't
7822s	want to have another gear moment where
7824s	like we release something that is like
7826s	more power for the brawler that is not
7828s	doesn't feel exciting it doesn't feel
7829s	like you're progressing so we want to
7832s	like
7833s	do a big Shake on the gameplay side as
7837s	we had which Gadget and star Powers so I
7839s	come I don't know the dates or anything
7841s	but it's something you are planning on
7842s	already that we want to to add something
7845s	to the gameplay
7849s	yeah the question is how and how do you
7851s	make it so that it's not overly complex
7853s	because a lot of people like the
7855s	Simplicity of brawl Stars me personally
7857s	I want way more complexity but I'm not
7860s	necessarily the target audience so
7862s	that's exciting to hear at least you're
7863s	thinking about it
7865s	a lot of questions not a lot of answers
7868s	which wasn't a good answer right no no
7870s	no not by the answers to the solving the
7872s	problem but not that your response your
7875s	responses
7876s	digging me
7879s	uh Ting Ting Teemo uh do you have plans
7883s	to reward Club League I guess we've
7885s	touched on that uh nobody in my club is
7887s	using their Club League tickets and as a
7890s	president
7892s	the president I don't like forcing my
7894s	members to play a feature that they
7895s	don't like for a reward they don't need
7897s	what they need it I don't know if they
7899s	don't need that reward
7901s	yeah so much progression you can get
7905s	lovely of course if you if you're a club
7907s	full with Max yeah yeah yeah yeah fine
7909s	sure but then okay then just don't play
7912s	yeah like yeah but I guess like
7914s	ultimately we are not happy no no no no
7917s	no no no we're not happy for sure for
7920s	sure yep so yeah it's in the list it's
7922s	on the list
7923s	uh bitowski how do you see the state of
7927s	ah bro this question I removed and you
7930s	put it back in
7932s	all right you can skip it no it's just
7933s	because like it's so broad right I don't
7935s	know like uh it is it is maybe I can do
7938s	a consensus based off of what we've had
7940s	a conversation here you like where
7942s	things are at at the moment but there's
7943s	a long list of things you want to
7945s	improve and the only way you're gonna be
7947s	able to do that is with more time to
7948s	develop
7949s	yep yeah that's a yes parenthesis thank
7954s	you Kairos
7955s	sort of thing I'm not even on the team
7957s	that's great okay dude thinks he's on
7960s	the team yeah
7964s	everybody moved to Helsinki
7968s	KCT depth uh I want to ask if the bling
7972s	reward from trophy Lee can be increased
7974s	by chance for me I can get 244 bling now
7977s	after resetting uh 10 Brothers while
7980s	getting 2 000 bling in power league in
7982s	one season that's a pretty big gap and I
7985s	hope Trophy pushing would be more
7987s	rewarding
7988s	I think we touched on that like talking
7990s	about it yeah you cannot just give more
7994s	everywhere yeah yeah something's got to
7997s	give yep yeah
8000s	uh top shelf
8002s	how better than butt up shelf but I like
8005s	I prefer that name positive
8008s	good uh how does Kairos 100 own its
8011s	review so for you Kairos uh help the
8013s	team develop the brow Stars these videos
8016s	are my favorite and it's so nice to see
8018s	that you guys actually listen to Kairos
8020s	and the community
8024s	um well I mean I don't know how much I
8026s	can really say because
8028s	um I don't actually know but I know that
8029s	you guys do watch my 100 honest update
8031s	review videos my question is do you guys
8034s	like sit around together and watch it
8035s	and discuss it or do you watch it as
8037s	individuals or watch us individuals
8045s	stop what you're doing no no no no wait
8047s	like typically individually watch it and
8050s	then like the first one we see so
8052s	typically posted in slack yeah and then
8055s	we're we're discussing like you know
8057s	we're trying not to spoil the score yeah
8059s	say that Frank but you do it every time
8063s	I put in a thread so like you can see
8065s	without opening I've got a message from
8067s	this guy I think twice Kairos gave us
8068s	this score I'm like come on it's like
8071s	seeing a spoiler to a movie before you
8073s	watch the movie so bad stay away from
8076s	the internet man if you don't watch
8077s	spoilers I will say actually actually I
8081s	hope I don't know if people will do it
8082s	but I really actually hope more content
8084s	creators would do that type of stuff
8086s	because then
8088s	um we get maybe a more broad picture
8090s	particularly if you have a different
8092s	audience than
8093s	um someone like your audience here
8095s	because we do we we actively go and seek
8098s	out feedback from a wide swath of player
8101s	types because we're trying to get to
8103s	that so yeah it's just a call out for
8106s	anybody who is interested in working on
8108s	um different videos that I know 100
8110s	honest reviews are actually really good
8112s	yeah yep I'm glad you guys like it
8114s	because I feel like uh
8116s	I mean I put a lot of work and time into
8118s	making sure I say everything the correct
8120s	way in a way that doesn't get
8121s	misconstrued and also hopefully in a way
8123s	that doesn't hurt any of the developers
8124s	feelings because that's one thing I
8126s	never want to do in fact sometimes I'm
8128s	really worried when I man the gear
8130s	videos I was so worried that I was just
8132s	like hurting people's feelings because I
8134s	did not like the way the gears were
8135s	first released but
8136s	um I really appreciate your guys's
8138s	willingness to look at that content and
8141s	it also helps build a relationship with
8144s	the the audiences or with the viewers
8146s	and the players as well because uh
8148s	typically I bring a lot of their
8149s	feedback into it whether or not it's
8151s	mine I typically share everybody's
8153s	opinion at least it's a nice I think
8155s	it's uh those videos are nice summary
8157s	for us yeah yeah um like again like this
8161s	to be honest there's no single source
8163s	which can you know like sway us in one
8166s	way or another it's typically like
8169s	we try to look at everything we look at
8171s	of course your videos other videos from
8174s	other content creators we're looking at
8176s	comments on social media we're looking
8178s	at App Store reviews we're looking at
8181s	everything holistically and the data
8183s	right like because if everyone is saying
8186s	oh there's a horrible feature but
8187s	everyone is playing more and monetizes
8190s	better stays longer then we're like oh
8192s	well
8193s	yeah uh yeah so it's like some sometimes
8196s	it's like
8197s	I guess what what some people sometimes
8199s	don't understand is that this this
8201s	correlation between these two things is
8203s	not always the same yeah just because
8205s	you're happy or the community on the
8207s	surface is Happy doesn't mean the
8209s	community is happy at large and that is
8212s	what data shows at the end of the day
8213s	right yeah it's like vote with your
8215s	pocket that's what they say and it's
8217s	like
8218s	so we see immediately if something
8220s	worked or didn't work based on that
8223s	yeah and also keep in mind that the vast
8225s	majority of people do not use like
8227s	social media are active or yeah I like
8229s	to pretend that most people watch my
8231s	videos but the truth is that they don't
8232s	yeah yeah and also it's really easy to
8236s	just listen to and reach Reddit because
8238s	it's right actively there and it's alive
8240s	and it's updating
8242s	um but you know there's a large
8243s	percentage of people that will never
8245s	speak their mind but they will play or
8249s	not play based off of the content that
8251s	is released yeah and that is the hardest
8254s	audience to measure which is why we have
8255s	data to help us yep silent majority
8259s	all right uh but mark my words we will
8262s	get we will get 10 one day
8266s	it has happened it has happened but not
8269s	very often let's see
8271s	um all right uh cute Rolo TV 27
8275s	I don't think many people are using the
8276s	kudosystem since it gives nothing return
8278s	to players how about giving some coins
8280s	tokens blah blah blah like five coins or
8283s	two tokens with a daily cap Maybe
8288s	it's like we're not it's
8290s	perfectly happy with Kudos no I mean
8292s	certainly one of the one of the goals of
8294s	this is we're trying to encourage
8296s	positive behavior in the game there's a
8298s	lot of toxicity a lot of people like to
8300s	down you know thumbs down emote and you
8303s	know do all a bunch of other things that
8305s	trigger other players
8306s	um like spin around and do nothing DC
8309s	just stay in a corner and this was our
8312s	first attempt at trying to chip away at
8314s	that problem in a positive way
8317s	um
8318s	and we're certainly looking into ways to
8321s	improve upon this also it's not really
8322s	well done from a ux standpoint today
8324s	because of it's kind of laggy to use
8327s	meanwhile a lot of people kind of skip
8328s	the screen because we gave them that
8330s	option and you know it's kind of one of
8332s	those features we committed to but
8334s	didn't kind of go all the way with it
8336s	and so we're looking to improve it for
8338s	sure quite a bit of love went into that
8340s	feature yeah but but it's like yeah but
8343s	I think it's it's not achieving the goal
8346s	the goal yeah yeah and it's nice though
8348s	because I mean sometimes I'll just play
8350s	a good match and somebody will give me a
8351s	thumbs up and every time I'm like it
8353s	makes me feel good it makes me feel
8355s	happy I mean it does require another
8357s	person to actively go and do it and so
8359s	you can I can't control that you know
8360s	obviously I think there's a few steps a
8362s	few like pretty looking fruits there
8364s	yeah like just making the ux better you
8367s	know show that it's an actual button you
8369s	can press yeah that would be a good
8370s	starting point before we think about
8372s	Rewards or anything like this yeah but
8375s	again like the three of us play the
8376s	public match today
8378s	and actually someone uploaded like from
8381s	the enemy team as well because it became
8382s	a big flame because he Dynamics its way
8385s	through I don't know which mode we
8386s	played then you Mike it was a heist map
8388s	and he destroyed everyone like 18 kills
8391s	or something
8391s	looks stupid like crazy next question
8394s	please because yeah running out of time
8396s	yeah no time to explain yeah wait well
8399s	we do have wait yeah we do have that
8401s	complicated uh last question
8406s	uh since you guys made duels a thing
8408s	have the devs ever consider a 5v5 if so
8411s	how did you guys approach the concept if
8413s	not why I think 5v5 UPS a lot of a lot
8416s	not to say it should replace three three
8418s	I just think it will be neat as some
8422s	sort of seasonal things to leaving
8423s	things up
8426s	I think we talked about 55 last time as
8428s	well I don't remember I think we might
8430s	have I think we did I think we did and
8433s	our answer was
8434s	that it's it's interesting in concept
8437s	and we're not against having a 5v5 but
8441s	again it's one of these things which it
8443s	has an unclear outcome
8445s	and it's pretty complex to do despite
8446s	what it looks like you know you you
8449s	would have to redo some of the map logic
8451s	you would have to redo some of the UI in
8454s	the interface we don't allow five people
8455s	to team up right now like there's like
8458s	so it's high complexity
8460s	High uncertainty what it does actually
8463s	so it goes on the back burner yeah
8466s	all right then that was the last
8468s	question
8469s	thank you so much everyone thank you
8471s	Kairos how did you feel about being part
8473s	of it I thought this was fantastic I
8475s	really appreciate you guys taking the
8476s	time to do this for those of you guys
8477s	that are watching um you don't know this
8479s	but they're all doing this after their
8481s	work day and I just wanted to let
8483s	everybody know that you know they are
8486s	really dedicated to you guys not lazy
8488s	you don't already you're not lazy that's
8491s	for sure you don't always see how hard
8493s	they they work on it and
8495s	um it's very much appreciated so thank
8498s	you for having me this was fantastic
8499s	thank you for joining us and this second
8502s	thing like I'll also like beside us
8504s	there's a huge crew behind here making
8507s	these things happen so I can see them in
8508s	the background
8510s	you have to work but I definitely true
8515s	that's it
8519s	the time to explain is over
8521s	yeah

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