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| 2s | major in Colombia today we are going to |
| 5s | talk about avatars with our lead artist |
| 8s | Toby and our director milink so Milenko |
| 12s | do you want to introduce yourself |
| 15s | yeah uh good morning people |
| 18s | it's what is it like 7 A.M in Australia |
| 22s | had a little bit of sleep and now we |
| 24s | want to talk about avatars |
| 27s | um my name is Milenko and I'm the |
| 30s | director of strange Loop games |
| 33s | um so for this for this occasion I guess |
| 36s | we want to talk about the avatars use my |
| 39s | screen shared |
| 40s | I I'm I'm not showing you the screen yet |
| 43s | uh first we want to introduce and then |
| 45s | I'll go to to your screen on my |
| 48s | okay so Toby do you want to introduce |
| 51s | yourself |
| 52s | yeah hi I'm Toby uh the leader of the |
| 56s | app team um |
| 57s | I live like 20 minutes away from malenko |
| 60s | just coincidentally but I mean you can |
| 62s | see on that map that everyone's pretty |
| 64s | spread out but for some reason |
| 66s | we're like right next door to each other |
| 67s | so |
| 68s | that's fun it's like a little cluster of |
| 72s | Strange Love Game people in Brisbane |
| 73s | yeah |
| 75s | it is nice we've we've been working |
| 78s | together for a while but we've only met |
| 80s | up I think I've met up with malenko once |
| 82s | and then we've met up as like a Brisbane |
| 84s | crew once as well so we should do it |
| 87s | more but it was kind of hard during |
| 88s | lockdown and everything so |
| 90s | yeah |
| 91s | awesome okay so we now have um |
| 94s | screenshot |
| 95s | feel free to to go to start |
| 99s | so the the screen is on yeah |
| 102s | okay yeah so |
| 105s | this is what you see on the screen at |
| 107s | the moment is Eco Avatar |
| 111s | first one we ever did I think this was |
| 114s | actually done before the game even |
| 115s | existed we were kind of throwing stuff |
| 118s | around and just showing it to show you |
| 120s | the history of like Avatar development |
| 123s | for eco |
| 125s | so this little Cayman doodle was done by |
| 129s | Rob |
| 129s | it was first time that we started |
| 132s | thinking about what the avatars for Eco |
| 134s | would look like |
| 135s | obviously they didn't end up looking |
| 137s | like this |
| 139s | um so after that in December 2014 we |
| 145s | built a little demo |
| 148s | first time ever we got some visuals for |
| 151s | eco |
| 152s | and |
| 154s | first avatars really look like this |
| 158s | nobody's ever seen them I think I I |
| 161s | think that's fortunate but because we |
| 164s | had very little time to put stuff |
| 166s | together we just threw these two in |
| 168s | to uh have some characters moving around |
| 172s | um pretty quickly |
| 173s | like it was obvious this is not going to |
| 176s | work so |
| 178s | but Eco was a different game at the time |
| 180s | I guess so um you know it was fine and |
| 184s | after that we started thinking about |
| 187s | proper |
| 189s | like visual style for the characters in |
| 191s | the game |
| 192s | and we started designing and thinking |
| 195s | about stuff |
| 197s | um next stage was basically a bunch of |
| 200s | sketches |
| 201s | that we did |
| 203s | and you know like one of the ideas was |
| 207s | this |
| 209s | and |
| 210s | you know like so this was done |
| 213s | the it's interval the hairstyles can |
| 216s | change |
| 218s | color like you're considering clothing |
| 220s | styles that you can do |
| 222s | for the character |
| 224s | like different beards different kind of |
| 228s | outfits and then showing how they would |
| 230s | work with each other |
| 232s | there's some thoughts that were put |
| 234s | together in regards you know how we deal |
| 237s | with male and female characters how do |
| 240s | we |
| 241s | keep them kind of equally powerful |
| 245s | and how do we you know like use the |
| 247s | animation systems to to distinguish |
| 250s | between the two |
| 252s | so we had a few ideas there |
| 255s | and then you know |
| 257s | what what came out |
| 260s | was something like this I'll show you |
| 263s | uh |
| 265s | yeah I guess |
| 267s | I didn't prepare much for this |
| 269s | presentation I apologize but it should |
| 271s | be fine so yeah first 3D model of the |
| 275s | avatar look like this |
| 278s | reason like reasoning behind it was |
| 282s | basically we were doing like a qb-ish |
| 285s | game |
| 286s | so we wanted avatars to kind of fit in |
| 288s | the world |
| 290s | but at the end of the day |
| 293s | you know like we moved a step away from |
| 296s | this |
| 297s | for the first |
| 299s | you know I can connect incarnation of |
| 301s | the avatars |
| 303s | and yeah sorry I've got before that |
| 305s | there are some concept sketches where |
| 308s | we're trying basic idea was to try and |
| 312s | keep faces generic |
| 314s | so there's not much you know like |
| 316s | happening in the face and then keep the |
| 319s | outfits interesting |
| 323s | um so after that |
| 326s | this was this was first polished version |
| 330s | that we did |
| 332s | never made it to the game because once |
| 335s | again |
| 337s | we were not we were not sure it will fit |
| 339s | the rest of the game style |
| 341s | but there was a there was like a part of |
| 344s | the process |
| 346s | so we they really I apologize like the |
| 348s | animations were done by me and I'm not |
| 351s | an animator so this |
| 353s | didn't look that great |
| 355s | but it was nice test to have at the time |
| 359s | after that |
| 361s | um we did second revision on the avatars |
| 364s | and |
| 366s | well yeah sorry I'll show a bit more |
| 368s | concept art just the other one we we're |
| 371s | like we completely ignored the faces |
| 373s | just have like basic |
| 375s | faces for the characters |
| 379s | and yeah again like we decided to move |
| 382s | on from that and not use it |
| 386s | yeah some early backpack tests |
| 392s | um |
| 394s | I haven't actually seen a lot of these |
| 395s | Milenko |
| 397s | that's cool |
| 400s | it's sitting in my old folders I was |
| 402s | doing digging for them last night |
| 406s | it was it was surprised for me as well |
| 409s | as early designs like that there's I |
| 413s | think we have |
| 414s | had similar to this one somewhere in the |
| 417s | game |
| 418s | we'll see that down the line |
| 420s | then |
| 421s | we ended up with avatars we've been |
| 424s | using for last few years |
| 427s | and some outfits tests for them |
| 432s | I hope one day we still get this |
| 434s | happening the |
| 437s | the version I think cape and sash were |
| 440s | actually like in the game for these guys |
| 443s | but we |
| 445s | we wanted the the originally made to |
| 448s | test the clock physics so when Avatar |
| 451s | runs around they kind of clap nicely and |
| 453s | look nicely |
| 455s | we still haven't haven't you know I |
| 458s | didn't get to the point where we can use |
| 460s | slot physics but one day I truly hope we |
| 464s | will |
| 465s | uh yeah so the the current version of |
| 468s | the avatars is |
| 471s | basically what we've got there |
| 474s | it's looking it was looking okay for the |
| 477s | period of time at the time when we kind |
| 480s | of designed and plugged them in |
| 482s | they served the purpose and the game was |
| 485s | in the spot where |
| 488s | they they would they're kind of fit for |
| 491s | the environment they're existing in |
| 493s | however |
| 495s | um they were a bit you know like we |
| 497s | still did a pretty dead pan and they're |
| 500s | pretty wooden so |
| 502s | we thought we can do better and last |
| 505s | thing we did was I'm trying to get some |
| 508s | expressions |
| 510s | on them and I think some of this is |
| 513s | working in the game at the moment but |
| 515s | it's not expressive enough |
| 518s | so we decided to have another stab |
| 522s | at the avatars and |
| 525s | you know |
| 527s | try to come up with the plan |
| 530s | and decide what is it that we want |
| 535s | and basically we wanted to give more |
| 538s | variety to the players and give them |
| 540s | more more chances to to deal with |
| 547s | more variety in shapes more variety and |
| 549s | body proportions more variety in clothes |
| 552s | um more expression in the face |
| 555s | so |
| 556s | we came up with the plan and I |
| 560s | for some reason it's easy for me to work |
| 563s | things out on the paper like this |
| 565s | instead of typing them in the |
| 568s | Word documents and things so I did a |
| 570s | bunch of sketches a bunch of |
| 572s | explanations where we want to go with |
| 574s | the hairstyles what do we want to do |
| 576s | with you know like accessories caps face |
| 578s | masks you know like full all these |
| 581s | things so uh |
| 584s | we wrote pretty comprehensive thing and |
| 587s | then we kind of got scared because |
| 591s | um at the time technology we were using |
| 594s | to create our avatars was completely |
| 596s | in-house and it was years old at the |
| 600s | time |
| 601s | the decision had to be made what do we |
| 604s | do |
| 605s | because the other thing that the the the |
| 608s | current avatars in Eco ahead was their |
| 611s | very uh mother and friendly |
| 614s | so it was like if anybody was to add |
| 617s | their own characters or they were to add |
| 620s | their own outfits or anything anything |
| 622s | customizable on the character the |
| 624s | process of getting it from model onto |
| 626s | the character in the game was very |
| 629s | tedious |
| 630s | so we're looking for ways to |
| 633s | kind of like |
| 635s | clean the the process clean the path |
| 638s | make it easier for people and then we |
| 640s | started looking at technology that we |
| 643s | can utilize that would help us |
| 645s | bring that variety to the player and but |
| 649s | that's that's the part I think Toby will |
| 650s | be talking about so I won't go too deep |
| 653s | into it you can you can |
| 655s | yeah I can show you the the next video |
| 658s | you can explain |
| 660s | and just one last thing is the I don't |
| 665s | know like I think I showed this once to |
| 668s | someone at some point |
| 671s | so this this is basically |
| 673s | some of the concept sketches for the new |
| 676s | avatars and in this case I was trying to |
| 679s | work out uh because we have backpacks |
| 681s | and we have tool sets I was trying to |
| 684s | work out the tool placement and I was |
| 686s | thinking |
| 687s | at the moment everything is placed on |
| 689s | the backpack but does it have to be so |
| 692s | I'm at the moment this is work in |
| 694s | progress we can't show this yet but it's |
| 697s | something we're thinking about |
| 699s | and I'm talking about |
| 701s | um gear that uh Avatar kind of |
| 705s | we can kill him out with to to apply the |
| 708s | tools better than what we have now it's |
| 711s | still it's just concept stage so the end |
| 714s | product also yeah like this clients |
| 716s | disclaimer anything you see today is |
| 718s | work in progress It's prone to be |
| 720s | changed and fixed and improved |
| 723s | so what we're showing now is partially |
| 725s | what we got done and partially hopes and |
| 728s | dreams that we have for the future so |
| 731s | this is about tool placements uh |
| 735s | one thing we're thinking about problem |
| 738s | replacing things |
| 740s | on the backpack is that they have |
| 742s | different you know different scale and |
| 744s | proportion like a shovel is much bigger |
| 746s | than the this you know like a sickle and |
| 749s | all these like you know axes bigger than |
| 751s | the hammer so we're trying to figure out |
| 753s | the way how to make it feel more organic |
| 755s | when we kind of putting the tools on so |
| 758s | one of the ideas we're kind of throwing |
| 760s | around at the moment is foldable tools |
| 762s | that can kind of be compacted in place |
| 767s | um so we here we have basic outfit |
| 771s | then we have a harness |
| 774s | which would help us for some tools and |
| 777s | you know like make more sense when |
| 779s | you're carrying things around |
| 781s | so on the harness like we can place the |
| 784s | ax of the hip |
| 786s | you can place the hammer on the other |
| 788s | hip |
| 789s | bow and arrows can be like strapped in |
| 794s | hinged across the back all this is being |
| 797s | done with consideration for the |
| 799s | animation movement visual you know like |
| 801s | visual appeal and everything else |
| 803s | so then you're like machete can go up |
| 806s | you know like up to the front across the |
| 809s | chest |
| 810s | then we have a backpack |
| 813s | then on backpack we start equipping |
| 815s | tools so this is uh what is it called |
| 818s | PSI |
| 819s | I guess it's sight |
| 821s | then chainsaw attached to the side of |
| 824s | the backpack |
| 826s | pickaxe across the backpack |
| 829s | um water bottle |
| 831s | cooking pan or whatever it is it looks |
| 834s | heavy |
| 836s | yeah |
| 837s | yeah yeah |
| 838s | fortunately it's a game yeah so our |
| 842s | avatars are strong they can carry stuff |
| 845s | the more tools you carry the more |
| 847s | calories you burn yeah but yeah I think |
| 850s | you should burn a little a little less |
| 852s | calories maybe burn at the moment so um |
| 855s | that will come they'll be fine so yeah |
| 858s | the shuttle is folded and and placed |
| 860s | across and then other tools are kind of |
| 863s | you're like |
| 864s | place together with the shovel |
| 867s | so yeah it's been a lot of work and a |
| 872s | lot of people worked on this stuff over |
| 874s | the last |
| 875s | couple of months I would say and some |
| 877s | people worked even longer to bring this |
| 879s | new new version up |
| 882s | and on that note Toby are you happy and |
| 886s | being to take over |
| 889s | yep I might just hand over to Jerry for |
| 891s | a second I think Geo's got something he |
| 893s | wants to |
| 894s | that's fine |
| 896s | yeah yeah uh thank you uh and thank you |
| 900s | Milan cook so for for those of that that |
| 903s | are not familiar with the pipeline of of |
| 905s | a video game it is really based in a lot |
| 909s | of iterations so we have as Maliko |
| 912s | showed uh already show us we had have |
| 915s | had a lot of iterations for the |
| 917s | characters and we are about to show you |
| 919s | is what we think is the right next |
| 922s | iteration that we have for for the |
| 924s | avatars as you may imagine is a work in |
| 926s | progress It's an iteration it may have |
| 929s | some modifications |
| 930s | and of course in order to to go in the |
| 934s | right duration we are always happy to |
| 937s | listen to the community so as always we |
| 939s | have on the top of the stream uh link |
| 942s | survey dot play Echo uh those that can |
| 946s | check the forms and give us opinion |
| 948s | about the authors would be really |
| 950s | appreciated as does like our our goal is |
| 953s | to to keep the community really happy |
| 957s | um so so that's it we can go ahead with |
| 959s | Tavi |
| 961s | um Tavi your screen is ready now |
| 964s | okay cool |
| 966s | yeah so we've got the um when you log in |
| 969s | here we'll go straight into the new |
| 971s | Avatar screen |
| 975s | yep there we go this is as Geo mentioned |
| 978s | it's still work in progress so we've |
| 981s | been kind of furiously working on it |
| 982s | this this week to get it all kind of |
| 984s | polished but |
| 986s | um |
| 987s | I'm not sure if my stream's like |
| 990s | still lagging very much or |
| 993s | Geo is it yeah it has a little bit of |
| 996s | lag uh we are sorry about that I mean it |
| 998s | runs really smooth on the top is |
| 1000s | computer but the internet is not helping |
| 1002s | us |
| 1003s | yeah we've got Australian internet so |
| 1005s | it's not not the best |
| 1006s | I'm plugged in and everything I'm using |
| 1008s | the best possible setup but |
| 1011s | yeah yeah we've paid money for this |
| 1013s | stuff yeah I know more than other |
| 1016s | countries as well but it is what it is |
| 1019s | so I'll try not to move my um my camera |
| 1021s | around too quickly so it gets let's try |
| 1024s | and keep it as smooth as possible but |
| 1027s | okay so just starting at the top here |
| 1029s | we've got like the the male and female |
| 1032s | options |
| 1033s | I'll just start with the basic ones for |
| 1035s | those |
| 1038s | and then |
| 1040s | I got these different categories for |
| 1042s | body head and then sort of accessories |
| 1045s | and miscellaneous sort of stuff so like |
| 1047s | tattoos and makeup and things like that |
| 1050s | um |
| 1052s | we'll go through |
| 1054s | so the left side's kind of where you |
| 1055s | select what you want to edit and the |
| 1058s | right side is the edits that you can |
| 1059s | make to it |
| 1061s | um |
| 1062s | got a bunch of skin colors here |
| 1067s | so some of the colors you'll be able to |
| 1068s | freely pick and other ones we've got |
| 1070s | kind of |
| 1071s | lockdown colors for |
| 1077s | yeah at this at this point in time I |
| 1079s | guess like purple characters are not an |
| 1081s | option yeah although I did like doing |
| 1083s | that when we were playing around with it |
| 1084s | it was fun to like try and recreate |
| 1086s | Avatar |
| 1088s | yeah |
| 1090s | that's |
| 1092s | yeah so I'll jump through a couple of |
| 1094s | these clothing options the we've got |
| 1096s | more a few more options in the female at |
| 1097s | the moment but we're still kind of |
| 1098s | adding things |
| 1099s | um the really cool thing with the system |
| 1101s | that we're using like we're moving away |
| 1103s | from our own one to using Uma which is |
| 1106s | like a |
| 1107s | a Community Driven sort of |
| 1111s | um Avatar Creator which is it's got a |
| 1114s | lot of nice features it's been a bit of |
| 1116s | work like learning it but |
| 1118s | it means that |
| 1120s | not only us but like the like Community |
| 1123s | if they want to start modding in |
| 1126s | um clothes and accessories and sort of |
| 1129s | stuff |
| 1130s | yeah it's um the the previous well |
| 1133s | technically current one that's still in |
| 1135s | the game yeah is very very painful if |
| 1139s | you were to mod it because part of it |
| 1142s | was using 3D Studio Max files and then |
| 1145s | he was using um is it called biped |
| 1149s | which is Legacy 3D Studio Max ring for |
| 1152s | characters |
| 1153s | yeah and that one is like really hard to |
| 1156s | work with so switching to human frees |
| 1160s | everything a lot |
| 1161s | yeah and the good thing as well is |
| 1163s | because it's kind of like a Community |
| 1164s | Driven tool there's a lot of tutorials |
| 1167s | out there already on how to use it so |
| 1169s | like we'll release our own things but |
| 1171s | a lot of information yeah yeah it's it's |
| 1175s | free |
| 1179s | so I'm not really sure what I'm doing |
| 1180s | I'm trying to I'm trying to focus and |
| 1182s | talk at the same time but it's It's |
| 1184s | tricky at this time of the morning |
| 1186s | I just you keep on showing I guess yeah |
| 1192s | yeah so that's kind of the options in |
| 1194s | the body you got different shoes |
| 1197s | this sort of thing |
| 1200s | backpacks |
| 1202s | got two of these in |
| 1205s | they're looking really cool |
| 1207s | these are just first things we've |
| 1209s | plugged in there will be more of |
| 1211s | everything |
| 1212s | yeah at the point of delivery when it's |
| 1216s | ready to go in the game |
| 1219s | um there'll be a lot of everything |
| 1223s | yeah and it's it's pretty quick to add |
| 1225s | things which is the the nice thing about |
| 1226s | using this this system so |
| 1232s | uh the other thing that's quite cool |
| 1233s | about this |
| 1235s | um is |
| 1236s | you can kind of customize the the shapes |
| 1238s | and sizes of the bodies um we've kind of |
| 1241s | got like an early iteration of that |
| 1242s | there's a lot more tweaking to do but |
| 1244s | you can see that |
| 1245s | adjusting these you can |
| 1248s | add a few different things like changing |
| 1250s | the size of the the arms beefing them up |
| 1253s | a bit |
| 1254s | um but we can yes some of them are |
| 1257s | pushed a little bit too far at the |
| 1258s | moment but that's okay so we can add a |
| 1261s | lot of these sort of options for |
| 1262s | different body shapes um and similar |
| 1265s | with the head so if we jump in here to |
| 1267s | the Head |
| 1269s | we've got a few different kind of shapes |
| 1271s | that we can make with the the face to |
| 1273s | because you know you run around a world |
| 1274s | in Eco and everyone starts to look very |
| 1277s | similar |
| 1278s | yeah and the current avatars are very |
| 1280s | dead band like there's no expression on |
| 1282s | the face so |
| 1283s | everybody looks kind of samish and the |
| 1287s | only the only difference is whatever |
| 1289s | like whatever beard or outfit you put on |
| 1292s | otherwise it's the same |
| 1294s | same person all the time yeah |
| 1298s | also we were like and this is again |
| 1301s | because we're talking about hopes and |
| 1303s | dreams the other thing is it can be |
| 1306s | applied to the gameplay as well we are |
| 1309s | not sure if we will but just you know |
| 1311s | like so imagine you're chopping wood |
| 1314s | for a whole day and then the next day |
| 1316s | you chop some more wood and then the |
| 1318s | third day you get big chest and tough |
| 1320s | muscles |
| 1322s | or you're just gonna wander around to |
| 1324s | eat a lot of food and you get chubby |
| 1326s | then you need to lose weight |
| 1328s | okay you'll be able to see who's who's |
| 1330s | being lazy on the server |
| 1332s | just at a glance |
| 1337s | just the idea at the moment not |
| 1339s | necessarily happening yeah |
| 1343s | um I'll go through a few more of these |
| 1344s | options so we've got so the Beard's an |
| 1347s | interesting one so yeah there we go it's |
| 1349s | working |
| 1350s | so previously we just had like a couple |
| 1352s | of different beards but now |
| 1356s | we can kind of split them up into |
| 1357s | different parts we can add them as a |
| 1359s | texture overlay to the the base model or |
| 1362s | we can also add some mesh |
| 1364s | and then you could layer these up with |
| 1366s | you know you got the sideburns and then |
| 1368s | different mustache types |
| 1371s | and the beards |
| 1380s | see there's a lot of a lot of options |
| 1381s | for what you can do and you can go and |
| 1383s | take out some of these |
| 1385s | looks like one paint now one of our |
| 1388s | others |
| 1390s | yeah |
| 1391s | there it goes and like this plus face |
| 1395s | shapes changes you can you can generate |
| 1398s | a lot of variety in the yeah |
| 1401s | busy enemy |
| 1403s | yeah and again with the face shape some |
| 1405s | of these are a bit wonky but |
| 1407s | if you look at it for a while I feel |
| 1409s | like you you know you do see people that |
| 1411s | look like |
| 1413s | all of these like I feel like I've seen |
| 1415s | these people before |
| 1416s | yeah yeah I I've seen guy like that |
| 1418s | yesterday |
| 1421s | this guy has no Chin so he needs a beard |
| 1423s | you know yeah Jackson beard on him |
| 1431s | okay see better |
| 1433s | could be bushia I think |
| 1439s | this this question still be you want to |
| 1442s | keep on talking or yeah yeah |
| 1446s | or you I mean we can finish I guess we |
| 1451s | could do them as we go yeah that's |
| 1452s | that's okay so okay so so let me read |
| 1455s | one question that is for Milenko so |
| 1458s | there is a question uh on the chat that |
| 1461s | asks what is the reason uh going away |
| 1464s | from the blocky Style |
| 1466s | uh the the |
| 1468s | reason is |
| 1471s | the overall style of the game is |
| 1474s | changing |
| 1476s | um not |
| 1477s | drastically but each new increment of |
| 1480s | the game I mean keep in mind this game |
| 1482s | has been developed for last almost like |
| 1485s | nine years now |
| 1486s | and when we started |
| 1489s | uh we did what we could with technology |
| 1492s | and with people that we had at the time |
| 1493s | and then as the like development of the |
| 1497s | game progressed things started changing |
| 1499s | so the the game is |
| 1501s | unfortunately at this moment you know |
| 1504s | like we're still kind of moving forward |
| 1505s | and not going back to to adjust things |
| 1508s | so we have a bit of style discrepancy |
| 1512s | and then the other reason is so I mean I |
| 1515s | don't want to lose sorry we have style |
| 1517s | discrepancy because when we started game |
| 1519s | was much chunkier then it is becoming |
| 1522s | now like if you if you look at new |
| 1524s | things coming in like um |
| 1528s | um |
| 1528s | things we recently introduced new block |
| 1531s | sets new new um |
| 1533s | detail like building blocks uh parts of |
| 1537s | environment new plants they have more |
| 1540s | detail and we're looking at making the |
| 1542s | game more rich |
| 1544s | and then the other reason is |
| 1547s | um something that you'll find down like |
| 1549s | find find more about down the line in |
| 1552s | the course of this year is a vision for |
| 1554s | the future |
| 1556s | so these these avatars that we're doing |
| 1558s | now uh a lot of |
| 1561s | a lot of stuff gets streamed a lot of a |
| 1563s | lot of people kind of use avatars for |
| 1566s | role playing and everything else and we |
| 1568s | were kind of |
| 1570s | not happy with the amount of |
| 1572s | expressiveness we can get from the |
| 1574s | current current avatars so we wanted to |
| 1576s | do another iteration and then where |
| 1578s | people can personalize them better |
| 1581s | and if technically if you compare them |
| 1585s | these guys are iteration of the existing |
| 1589s | Avatar and blocky ones were just not |
| 1591s | giving enough variety I guess I hope |
| 1594s | that answers the question |
| 1598s | I I sure think it does thank you thank |
| 1601s | you Milenko another question that has |
| 1604s | already been answered on the on the chat |
| 1606s | but that's in case someone missed uh |
| 1608s | someone asked if we can save the preset |
| 1611s | of the character and the answer is just |
| 1613s | that something that we have on the |
| 1615s | plants and the ideas are once you |
| 1617s | already have an avatar you can use the |
| 1619s | Avatar that you already created but it's |
| 1622s | still something that needs to be worked |
| 1624s | okay so next question uh for |
| 1629s | for tovi we have a isomal question can |
| 1633s | you color the can you change the color |
| 1634s | of the bird |
| 1636s | again |
| 1638s | yeah at the moment the like all of the |
| 1641s | hair is linked together so when you |
| 1642s | choose your colors for |
| 1644s | for your hair so if you're changing it |
| 1646s | in the beard the mustache the hair the |
| 1648s | kind of updates all of them at the same |
| 1650s | time |
| 1651s | um |
| 1652s | might be something we do divide out into |
| 1654s | separate |
| 1655s | think |
| 1659s | one thing that that Yuma offers that's |
| 1661s | really good is |
| 1663s | um you know like option of overlays so I |
| 1667s | think you'll show it a bit more with the |
| 1668s | clothes Toby |
| 1670s | um in the current Avatar system you |
| 1672s | could just basically like you had one |
| 1674s | color per item so you know like once you |
| 1677s | put the shirt on you can only tint it |
| 1679s | one color but with the new system |
| 1682s | basically if shirt has multiple layers |
| 1685s | on it so say like you have a shirt with |
| 1687s | design like a print on it I think you |
| 1690s | can actually show it like you can check |
| 1692s | in like a |
| 1694s | yeah |
| 1695s | just even on this this one here so we've |
| 1698s | got those two layers on it and yeah and |
| 1701s | there's no limit you can have more than |
| 1703s | two so you can you can individually tint |
| 1706s | the the shirt color itself and then |
| 1708s | design on top of the shirt so in regards |
| 1710s | to hair and beard |
| 1712s | you like down the line we didn't have |
| 1716s | time to plug it in yet but you can have |
| 1718s | like black beard with white streaks or |
| 1721s | you know like a completely different |
| 1722s | colored beard to your hair you can have |
| 1725s | like multiple colors running through |
| 1727s | your hair so all these options are |
| 1728s | available to us with this system |
| 1733s | thank you one of you for for the |
| 1736s | information there is a there has been |
| 1738s | some comments and questions related to |
| 1740s | to the eyes so some ask if does the eyes |
| 1744s | default size or if the eyes is like with |
| 1747s | the max size settings |
| 1752s | at the moment this is default size I |
| 1755s | would say yeah it is yeah |
| 1757s | and but it it will be |
| 1760s | we have |
| 1762s | options to change the shape of the eyes |
| 1765s | have different shaped eyes |
| 1769s | so it's an option reason we we went with |
| 1772s | bigger eyes is |
| 1775s | one feature that we we will actually |
| 1778s | show probably one of the next streams we |
| 1782s | plan to do the update on the you know |
| 1784s | like this is kind of Midway through the |
| 1785s | process we're showing the stuff and then |
| 1789s | you know like once it's wrapped up and |
| 1791s | ready for the you know like ready to be |
| 1793s | plugged in we will have another streamer |
| 1795s | we will show like so you see where we at |
| 1797s | now and then we'll have a stream where |
| 1799s | we will still |
| 1801s | where we took it from here |
| 1805s | so yeah eyes eyes are used for |
| 1807s | expression a lot so we went with bigger |
| 1810s | eyes to start with but again they will |
| 1813s | be adjustable customizable |
| 1818s | thank you thank you again uh and so just |
| 1821s | a personal opinion uh I think that some |
| 1824s | have noticed that there are games where |
| 1826s | the character have like bigger hands or |
| 1828s | bigger food it really depends also on |
| 1831s | the camera so right now the the eyes may |
| 1834s | be may look big but because we are |
| 1837s | really close but if you think how you |
| 1839s | usually would watch the characters even |
| 1841s | in first person it it's |
| 1844s | um |
| 1845s | it's harder to notice the ice when you |
| 1847s | when you are not so close to the to the |
| 1849s | character so so I know that it may be it |
| 1852s | may look big on on that that close |
| 1855s | camera but once you're in the game you |
| 1858s | will notice that that there is really a |
| 1860s | purpose for having that default size |
| 1862s | once again we will have multiple options |
| 1864s | and you will be able to to customize |
| 1866s | that there is another question I'm not |
| 1869s | sure if it's for Toby or for Milenko uh |
| 1872s | some people are asking if if we have |
| 1874s | considered the idea of having sliders |
| 1877s | instead of like different options so I |
| 1879s | mean instead of selecting the different |
| 1881s | body types moving on the slider to |
| 1883s | change the body type or maybe some |
| 1885s | parameters like the usual size and stuff |
| 1887s | like that |
| 1889s | we yeah we basically disable it in this |
| 1892s | feature and that's the thing we're |
| 1893s | chewing on |
| 1895s | um |
| 1897s | we've seen games with sliders we've seen |
| 1900s | what people do with characters given |
| 1904s | sliders you know like a gigantic headed |
| 1907s | people with massive like weird things |
| 1911s | attached to them kind of running around |
| 1914s | so we technically we can have sliders |
| 1918s | but I would prefer to kind of limit the |
| 1921s | amount of |
| 1923s | out of there kind of you know like |
| 1926s | amount of |
| 1929s | Distortion I guess you can you can |
| 1932s | you like apply to the characters so we |
| 1935s | might give you options where you select |
| 1938s | between pre-created bodies but we kind |
| 1941s | of doing similar thing to |
| 1943s | what was it um I like similar thing to |
| 1946s | the clothes at the moment |
| 1948s | which is we might have like a |
| 1951s | pre-selected because we're giving |
| 1954s | options for colors Toby I think |
| 1957s | so you like you you're given set of |
| 1960s | pre-selected Colors by us that you can |
| 1963s | choose from quickly but you also given |
| 1965s | color Pickers so if you don't like those |
| 1967s | colors or you want to they're kind of |
| 1969s | there but not exactly what you wanted |
| 1971s | you can still jiggle you know like |
| 1973s | around and kind of |
| 1975s | you know like find the color that you |
| 1976s | want so sliders can be plugged in can be |
| 1981s | introduced |
| 1982s | they might be an option but like we |
| 1985s | still want to limit them within a reason |
| 1987s | like you may have like a bigger head but |
| 1990s | you can't make a head that's twice as |
| 1992s | big like you can make it at this like 10 |
| 1994s | percent bigger or something like that so |
| 1996s | it is an option and if that's what |
| 1998s | people are keen on yes we can plug it in |
| 2001s | so that's yeah like after this stream we |
| 2005s | will be looking at the community |
| 2006s | feedback and and seeing you know like |
| 2008s | what of that we can address and apply |
| 2013s | maybe there's some great ideas that we |
| 2015s | didn't think of so that would be pretty |
| 2018s | nice |
| 2019s | yeah anyway sorry Toby |
| 2021s | that's all right I think you covered |
| 2023s | everything but it's definitely something |
| 2025s | we could look at yeah |
| 2028s | depends |
| 2030s | yeah yeah we are really open to feedback |
| 2032s | so so we really appreciate these |
| 2034s | questions and on all the comments and |
| 2036s | once again the survey also helped us a |
| 2037s | lot to have a goal on the development |
| 2041s | uh there there is another question uh |
| 2043s | that I can answer is if we are going to |
| 2046s | allow the players to select the color |
| 2048s | using like RGB values or something like |
| 2051s | that instead of like picking the color |
| 2053s | and it's something like is not currently |
| 2055s | implemented but it's in our roadmap so |
| 2057s | the idea is that at some point you can |
| 2060s | use a hex code to to decide the exact |
| 2063s | color that you are looking for is not |
| 2065s | done yet but but yeah it's we have that |
| 2067s | in mind okay we can expose all that it's |
| 2071s | not a problem here like we can give like |
| 2073s | a hex code punch in or we can give like |
| 2076s | RGB values punch in so either one of |
| 2079s | those is available |
| 2082s | to use |
| 2084s | yeah I have to say that this Color |
| 2086s | Picker feels so much better than the the |
| 2088s | one that's in the game at the moment |
| 2090s | it's it's |
| 2091s | a lot easier to use |
| 2093s | um and just look at the amount of |
| 2094s | options that we can do |
| 2096s | um but yeah I imagine it wouldn't be too |
| 2098s | difficult to use hex code |
| 2101s | or RGB maybe we can switch between them |
| 2105s | yeah yeah |
| 2108s | oh one one last question that we have on |
| 2111s | the chat before you continue to Avi is |
| 2113s | that if we can adjust the eighth of the |
| 2116s | character we have plans to uh so Point |
| 2118s | some point support the uh different of |
| 2122s | characters |
| 2123s | yes yeah yeah that's that is something I |
| 2126s | want to do as well |
| 2127s | um you can do that through the body |
| 2129s | modification stuff |
| 2130s | so yeah |
| 2131s | there's another thing we want to do is |
| 2134s | we want to like you can also I I mean |
| 2138s | we are throwing around the idea so I'm |
| 2140s | not sure like I think it's doable you |
| 2143s | can also do like a longer torso shorter |
| 2145s | legs like you can adjust proportions of |
| 2147s | your character as well as height so |
| 2149s | technically you know if you want like a |
| 2151s | longer legged and like shorter torsoed |
| 2153s | character or like a longer torso |
| 2156s | shoulder legs also again like talking |
| 2158s | about the head proportion it goes like |
| 2160s | it should be able to go between like |
| 2162s | five heads tall to like seven headstones |
| 2165s | you can have more heroic or like a kind |
| 2167s | of more average |
| 2172s | with the system it's like it is doable |
| 2176s | how far we take it depends on on what's |
| 2179s | good for the game I guess yeah |
| 2184s | any other suggestions just put them in |
| 2187s | the survey as well we'll go through it |
| 2189s | all because this is still heavily in |
| 2191s | development there's a lot we can change |
| 2192s | at the moment so it'd be good to do like |
| 2194s | an update in like |
| 2197s | you know the the coming month or two |
| 2200s | um I'll just show you any anything that |
| 2202s | we can kind of implement |
| 2205s | because because the Avatar can be |
| 2210s | you should be able to be anything you |
| 2212s | know like whatever you want so like in |
| 2215s | the in that regard |
| 2217s | we want to make as many people happy as |
| 2220s | possible |
| 2221s | with this new stuff |
| 2226s | so we listen at this point in time |
| 2230s | yeah |
| 2231s | you want to talk a little bit about |
| 2233s | these decals while I play with them |
| 2235s | and just how that that works and what we |
| 2237s | can do with it |
| 2239s | like the face stuff or just yeah |
| 2242s | oh yeah so so yeah |
| 2245s | applying face paint we discovered that |
| 2248s | simple simple things like that add a lot |
| 2251s | of personality so yeah |
| 2253s | we we have things like cheek blushes |
| 2256s | cheek paints like |
| 2259s | each part of the face has has its own |
| 2262s | kind of set of decals and we can keep on |
| 2265s | adding new ones but by the way decal |
| 2268s | like we are too technical I keep |
| 2270s | forgetting |
| 2271s | but basically paint you can put on top |
| 2275s | of the you know like character space |
| 2278s | so in this case yeah like you can you |
| 2280s | can paint little stars on your cheeks |
| 2283s | or you can put makeup on your eyes you |
| 2286s | can put lipstick on your lips where we |
| 2288s | at at the moment |
| 2290s | so yeah so that like is that the only |
| 2293s | lipstick we got like the only style we |
| 2295s | have multiple |
| 2296s | yeah they're just just not in yet but I |
| 2300s | like them this one somebody was saying |
| 2303s | it looks like a |
| 2309s | you make it white it looks like it but |
| 2312s | it also looks a bit tribal so you can |
| 2314s | put markings on you that make you very |
| 2317s | different from from another person who |
| 2319s | looks similar |
| 2320s | no I I shadow |
| 2323s | where you can yeah |
| 2326s | and these are very quick and easy to add |
| 2328s | um so that's what we're kind of doing at |
| 2331s | the moment is iterating a lot on it |
| 2333s | once I've seen that in the editor I |
| 2336s | really liked it |
| 2337s | the the those like a tribally paints |
| 2340s | they can turn on your character |
| 2343s | and you can probably like talking about |
| 2345s | Chevrolet like you can do the tribes a |
| 2347s | society where this makeup style is |
| 2351s | popular and then another one where |
| 2352s | something else is kind of cool |
| 2355s | and for the hair |
| 2357s | if you like when we're talking about |
| 2360s | multiple ability to tint multiple things |
| 2363s | differently it's something we couldn't |
| 2364s | do before is like if you look at the |
| 2367s | hairstyle we can tint here one color |
| 2370s | then we have the bandana wrapped around |
| 2372s | the head so bandana itself we can |
| 2374s | control the color and then last thing is |
| 2377s | like even the little pattern design |
| 2379s | all these things can be changed and |
| 2382s | tweaked and adjusted so that there's |
| 2384s | like a lot of variety allowing for |
| 2387s | personalization which is |
| 2390s | to me it feels like it feels so much |
| 2394s | more free than the stuff we had |
| 2396s | available and we had to work with before |
| 2398s | so |
| 2400s | there will be |
| 2401s | much more |
| 2404s | what was the word Toby my English is |
| 2408s | like the diversity yes diversity is the |
| 2412s | word |
| 2413s | it'll be so much more diversity in the |
| 2415s | game than there is now |
| 2418s | so like heights body proportions |
| 2422s | um skin color |
| 2423s | uh options for outfits |
| 2426s | options for for you know like makeup the |
| 2430s | other thing we we didn't have time to |
| 2432s | plug in is the the like a body paint and |
| 2435s | body tattoos if somebody wants to do |
| 2437s | them |
| 2438s | um that will also be an option so a lot |
| 2442s | of ways to customize your character |
| 2446s | and |
| 2448s | ability to take your character from one |
| 2451s | server to the other |
| 2452s | to like |
| 2454s | is that is that something I was not |
| 2457s | supposed to mention |
| 2459s | not I think that's okay to mention yeah |
| 2461s | that's that's the idea what this is you |
| 2463s | kind of build your character and you use |
| 2465s | that in in different servers and um you |
| 2468s | can go back and modify it but |
| 2471s | and then potentially if you get attached |
| 2473s | to your character uh ability to take |
| 2476s | your character |
| 2478s | turn it again maybe |
| 2481s | like if we talk Multiverse |
| 2484s | there might be an independent like |
| 2488s | editor that lets you |
| 2490s | use this character to play some other |
| 2492s | game maybe |
| 2494s | you're dreaming big now I'm a link |
| 2496s | hereby |
| 2500s | let's be cool watching your character on |
| 2502s | VR chat or or something like that it |
| 2504s | would be cool |
| 2505s | yeah yeah |
| 2508s | I might show you this next part now as |
| 2510s | well yeah |
| 2513s | so one of the reasons why the eyes are |
| 2515s | big |
| 2520s | we have different Expressions now |
| 2524s | and they're much more um |
| 2527s | expressive than the ones we had on a |
| 2529s | dead Band characters from before |
| 2533s | so in this case you're taking photo of |
| 2535s | yourself and then you can use that photo |
| 2537s | to uh |
| 2540s | yeah like you can use it |
| 2542s | for your Facebook profile if you want or |
| 2545s | you can use it in the game or you can |
| 2547s | put it on the wall |
| 2549s | do whatever you want |
| 2552s | and also like are you are you sure the |
| 2555s | little on the right hand side you have |
| 2556s | these little options for the background |
| 2558s | color of your photo and there's little |
| 2560s | frames |
| 2562s | that you can put around your photo |
| 2564s | so |
| 2567s | yeah so I think doing this as part of |
| 2568s | the first first step when you're |
| 2570s | creating your avatar just kind of |
| 2573s | um like you can use it there's this |
| 2575s | photos you use throughout the game to |
| 2576s | you know be kind of like your ID photo I |
| 2579s | guess but |
| 2580s | yeah kind of creates your persona |
| 2585s | so we've got different options this is |
| 2587s | still yeah work in progress but I can |
| 2591s | do |
| 2593s | yeah yeah lighting's a bit off on that |
| 2595s | still but that's all right yeah |
| 2598s | is being tweaked so yeah like you you |
| 2600s | get different background color and you |
| 2603s | you have like a nice frame around your |
| 2605s | photo and there's different variants for |
| 2607s | the train |
| 2609s | the thing I like about this as well if |
| 2610s | you go back to the editing with an |
| 2612s | expression you can keep editing the |
| 2616s | expression remains |
| 2620s | all right that's fun I don't know if |
| 2622s | that was intended but |
| 2624s | well yeah |
| 2626s | it's good |
| 2628s | some of the best features have been |
| 2630s | mistake sometimes |
| 2632s | if it looks good you just keep it |
| 2640s | yeah there is something that |
| 2642s | I'm sorry for the for the introduction |
| 2645s | there is something that that Tennessee |
| 2646s | has mentioned on on the chat uh but in |
| 2650s | case somebody is not reading the idea of |
| 2652s | these photos is that is going to be used |
| 2654s | on the minimap to represent your |
| 2657s | character in the game |
| 2658s | that's right |
| 2662s | yeah and Dimitri you have seen the |
| 2665s | question wouldn't be more interesting to |
| 2666s | use to add the dies as items |
| 2670s | with a related profession to change the |
| 2672s | colors in the game including colored |
| 2674s | clothes yes |
| 2677s | it's a good idea it's gameplay idea |
| 2679s | um yes |
| 2681s | it is a tale of profession as well and |
| 2684s | there is like a |
| 2686s | canvas production and things like that |
| 2689s | so there was something we're bouncing |
| 2690s | around for a long time as well it's like |
| 2693s | you need you might need ingredients like |
| 2695s | it's not just like a random color change |
| 2697s | you need to collect ingredients to |
| 2700s | create the color you want and then apply |
| 2703s | it and you might be able like you know |
| 2705s | other people might have to buy stuff |
| 2707s | from you so they can do it too or you |
| 2709s | might come up with the color that they |
| 2711s | can't have until they get the |
| 2712s | ingredients so the potential to to um |
| 2715s | use it in the gameplay is there as well |
| 2719s | how far we go depends on game design is |
| 2721s | basically |
| 2726s | yeah I might also quickly just show you |
| 2728s | the randomize button because it's fun |
| 2730s | Luca just added it |
| 2731s | um last night but it's not the proper |
| 2734s | randomizer it's |
| 2736s | it's really random |
| 2741s | but you can get some really fun fun |
| 2743s | options yeah at the moment halfway |
| 2747s | through we don't have |
| 2748s | many options available but the more we |
| 2751s | add the better randomizer will work yeah |
| 2755s | at the moment we only have the wolf mask |
| 2758s | yep so you pretty much just just wolf or |
| 2761s | not yeah |
| 2762s | it shows every like shows 50 of the time |
| 2765s | basically |
| 2766s | yeah but yeah we we added options |
| 2769s | there'll be many more and we will do a |
| 2772s | catch-up screen where we will show |
| 2775s | this but better yeah and before anyone |
| 2779s | mentions that the hair with the the hats |
| 2783s | um that's something we're looking at |
| 2786s | yeah |
| 2787s | because you should be able to but it's |
| 2788s | it's a tricky problem but |
| 2791s | yeah yeah |
| 2793s | Uma should make that easier |
| 2801s | that's nice uh now that you have the the |
| 2803s | minutes had uh do you know if there I |
| 2806s | mean there is a question if there is a |
| 2808s | plan to include like like real time like |
| 2811s | working on the miners Hut |
| 2814s | yeah that was the plan for it yeah yeah |
| 2817s | that's why it was made with yeah there's |
| 2820s | another hat that's not there this early |
| 2822s | version of the minor set |
| 2824s | yeah more primitive light but yeah it it |
| 2828s | was meant to be used |
| 2831s | in dark areas and it has a function not |
| 2835s | just pretty looks |
| 2837s | just just as to have a little bit of |
| 2840s | context uh using dark as a mechanic of |
| 2844s | the game is is Trick because as a player |
| 2849s | you can always just go to your writing |
| 2851s | settings and set it up to the Max and go |
| 2854s | to your monitor settings and set up the |
| 2856s | light into the max gamma to the Max and |
| 2858s | the interest in that they're carriers in |
| 2860s | the game so so it's really complicated I |
| 2863s | mean we have explored the possibility of |
| 2866s | having darkest part as an important part |
| 2869s | of the game mechanics but but it's it's |
| 2872s | really tricky and it's something that we |
| 2874s | still need to to keep exploring but but |
| 2876s | yeah we would love to to have a some |
| 2880s | different real-time lightings for |
| 2881s | example on the on the mining hat okay |
| 2884s | thank you again Milling quantity for for |
| 2886s | the |
| 2887s | uh answer David do you have something |
| 2890s | else that do you want to talk us about |
| 2891s | or Milenko |
| 2894s | yeah just just one thing that people |
| 2896s | mentioned like |
| 2901s | guys on internet on one hand it's really |
| 2904s | nice that people can change their |
| 2905s | settings and Camera field of view and |
| 2908s | you know like |
| 2909s | increase the view that you know like |
| 2911s | they're using or you know pick the one |
| 2913s | that they prefer but at the same time |
| 2917s | um different fields of view |
| 2919s | change the way things look and like |
| 2922s | sometimes even change the proportion of |
| 2924s | the things and the way they feel so |
| 2926s | that's that's one thing with characters |
| 2929s | and I guess everything else is once once |
| 2931s | you start playing with those once audio |
| 2933s | is lose control over those |
| 2938s | um you're starting problems now they're |
| 2941s | not problems for gameplay but they're |
| 2942s | problems for like uh keeping visual |
| 2945s | consistency of things |
| 2948s | but you know like that's the field we're |
| 2950s | in and that's that's what we're working |
| 2952s | with so it's fine people should be able |
| 2954s | to play any way they want |
| 2961s | thank you Lincoln do you have anything |
| 2964s | else that |
| 2965s | you went to at |
| 2969s | um |
| 2970s | no I think that's good we've kind of |
| 2971s | covered a lot of the options and the the |
| 2974s | plan is to just keep tweaking this and |
| 2976s | adding more things |
| 2978s | so |
| 2979s | yeah send through any feedback and then |
| 2982s | we'll keep keep checking out so |
| 2985s | okay thank you uh what have you uh so we |
| 2989s | don't have |
| 2990s | um any questions I I see a question |
| 2993s | right now but that cancel that uh the |
| 2995s | webcam interface was uh delayed we we |
| 3000s | had some some issues as I have mentioned |
| 3003s | before all this streamer for features |
| 3006s | that are work in progress and sometimes |
| 3008s | work in progress have had some some |
| 3010s | problems that that are hard to to fix so |
| 3014s | we have delayed uh we will have another |
| 3016s | stream where we are going to talk about |
| 3017s | the webcam free tracking feature and as |
| 3021s | Milenko mentioned we are also going to |
| 3023s | have another stream to talk about |
| 3025s | avatars because we would like to show |
| 3027s | the progress that we have done in in a |
| 3030s | couple of months or weeks depending on |
| 3032s | the progress and of course we would like |
| 3035s | to read all the feedback that that we |
| 3038s | get in order to improve the Avatar |
| 3041s | feature so if someone hasn't filled this |
| 3045s | survey please please feel free to to to |
| 3047s | go to go there we really love that |
| 3051s | feedback and I think that would be all |
| 3054s | um is there anything you want to add |
| 3056s | Milenko or Toby |
| 3058s | this is basically from from this stream |
| 3061s | on uh looking at our schedule there is |
| 3064s | quite a few new things we will be |
| 3066s | showing down the line as we're gearing |
| 3068s | up towards 1.0 or 10 depending on how |
| 3072s | people want to call the the next kind of |
| 3075s | big version of the of the game release |
| 3077s | so yeah there will be a lot of good |
| 3080s | stuff coming down your way and then |
| 3082s | updates on the avatars will probably be |
| 3085s | after that |
| 3087s | because there's many other things that |
| 3089s | need to be shown and talked about |
| 3092s | which is exciting I guess |
| 3096s | and that's all I think we we went for a |
| 3101s | while I didn't expect streaming will be |
| 3103s | this long |
| 3104s | yeah it went quick |
| 3106s | yeah I |
| 3108s | it's it's an hour instead of half |
| 3111s | it's good I guess I don't know is it |
| 3116s | yes yeah |
| 3120s | so I think |
| 3121s | uh that would be all for for today uh |
| 3125s | thank you everyone for coming uh bye bye |
| 3129s | everyone and I see you next stream |
| 3132s | cheers people catch you next time bye |