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| 4s | welcome back to alliance tournament 17 |
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| 7s | where we have not one but two extremely |
| 10s | ecm heavy comps going up against each |
| 12s | other with psychotic tendencies versus |
| 15s | templas kalsiff psychotic tendencies has |
| 17s | brought three scorpions a damn nation |
| 19s | two deacons three spitfills and a |
| 21s | purifier and templus kalsif has |
| 23s | responded by bringing |
| 25s | what exactly |
| 26s | uh i think this looks fairly similar to |
| 28s | a comp they brought earlier with their |
| 29s | armor bar guests but this time they've |
| 30s | brought two hyperions instead which i |
| 32s | don't think we've seen before absolutely |
| 34s | love that ship it's beautiful um they've |
| 37s | bought they're on vargas like i said i |
| 38s | know nero's two majestes two black birds |
| 40s | and two sky breakers so i'm imagining |
| 42s | these black birds are going to want to |
| 43s | try and land the jams on the scorpions |
| 45s | here and prevent those scorpions from |
| 46s | jamming anything else that's what that |
| 48s | would be my imagining of what the play |
| 50s | is players here um this is just a very |
| 52s | unusual comp from tissue to begin with |
| 54s | three scorpions have we ever seen |
| 56s | anything like that |
| 57s | i mean widows sure but regular scorpions |
| 60s | that's 57 points in ecm |
| 63s | it's it's 57 ish points in ecm |
| 66s | and uh also they they have rapid heavy |
| 69s | missile launchers but i'm not really |
| 71s | sure how much damage they're going to be |
| 72s | really putting out there so |
| 74s | you know the the tissue team is very |
| 76s | light on dps but they are extremely |
| 78s | heavy on jam so weirdly enough we are |
| 80s | seeing a lot of tds coming out from the |
| 82s | temple's cast of sky breaker which is |
| 84s | kind of goofy but uh the teams are kind |
| 85s | of just moving around and trying to |
| 87s | figure out exactly how they want to play |
| 88s | this i think both sides were like oh |
| 90s | crap what do we do here |
| 92s | yeah so we can see from the fancy ui |
| 93s | that there are jams attempted on all |
| 95s | three scorpions and just for everyone we |
| 97s | don't know if those jams are successful |
| 98s | we just know it's an attempt but clearly |
| 100s | they're not all successful because we |
| 101s | also see gems going out the other way |
| 103s | towards the barges theo neros and of |
| 104s | course onto both the blackbirds so as an |
| 106s | observer it's pretty difficult for us to |
| 108s | know exactly who is winning um the ecm |
| 110s | war |
| 111s | um but there is definitely an ecm ball |
| 113s | being fought we know that |
| 115s | yeah there's a a massive amount of jams |
| 117s | going on on both sides i mean you can |
| 118s | see so from |
| 120s | what usually we can tell is that as that |
| 122s | control bar maxes out that means more |
| 124s | jams are landing uh so if you see that |
| 126s | tissues is totally maxed out so they've |
| 128s | got |
| 129s | not necessarily saying all of their jams |
| 130s | have landed but most of them where the |
| 131s | templars calcif's uh not doing quite as |
| 133s | well as it kind of bounces back and |
| 134s | forth you'll be able to see but very |
| 136s | little damage is being applied |
| 137s | whatsoever i believe tissue is probably |
| 140s | waiting to get like the perfect jam |
| 142s | session because |
| 144s | you know they only have the three rapid |
| 145s | heavies from the scorpions it's it's not |
| 147s | a lot of damage |
| 148s | yeah they're gonna need to time up their |
| 150s | their clips with a perfect jam you know |
| 152s | jamming on on the oniros maybe and then |
| 154s | they can volley through some blackbirds |
| 156s | for example um but if they just you know |
| 158s | press f1 and fire all their missiles |
| 159s | they're going to run out of missiles at |
| 160s | a really bad time and it's just it's a |
| 162s | waste you know at this sort of level you |
| 163s | need to be making sure the whole team |
| 165s | plays together coordinating all |
| 166s | different parts of the comp and that |
| 167s | involves saving your missiles and |
| 169s | waiting for your damage until you can |
| 170s | actually accomplish something with it |
| 173s | yeah i hate to use the word ramming when |
| 175s | talking about a damnation because |
| 177s | they're not that fast but it does look |
| 179s | like blood of gods was attempting to |
| 181s | kind of ram in with his damnation and |
| 182s | tackle uh weirdly enough this damnation |
| 184s | actually has no guns on it so it's |
| 186s | probably the brickiest tankiest ship of |
| 188s | all time and uh most likely some kind of |
| 191s | super hard tackle not really sure what |
| 193s | the deal is there but there is these |
| 194s | fipples of psychotic tendencies are |
| 196s | starting to move forward a little bit um |
| 199s | maybe something's about to happen not |
| 200s | sure |
| 201s | it's going to be difficult for them to |
| 203s | burn in though because i can see two |
| 204s | separate scram attempts coming off from |
| 205s | this bar guest of the last spartan which |
| 207s | i believe |
| 208s | is their flagship as well so of course |
| 210s | he's got those officer or you know |
| 212s | extremely abyssal scrams and as we saw |
| 214s | earlier it's also most likely a double |
| 215s | prom double prop bar guess so he's going |
| 217s | to have microwave driving at least two |
| 219s | and i off burner at least two scrams on |
| 220s | there so it's obviously if you're in a |
| 222s | damnation trying to ram them it's gonna |
| 223s | be pretty difficult you need a sort of a |
| 225s | committed effort from the whole team to |
| 226s | ram again it's it's about the whole team |
| 228s | working together here if they do want to |
| 229s | get on top of that vargas |
| 231s | then of course there's a hyperions |
| 232s | parked up there as well so you don't |
| 233s | really want to get too close and risk |
| 234s | one of those hyperions not being jammed |
| 236s | and then suddenly he punches your face |
| 237s | in |
| 239s | yeah and i we're seeing a lot of drone |
| 241s | dps coming out which makes sense since |
| 242s | drones are kind of the only thing that |
| 244s | like you can jam drones out but you're |
| 247s | probably not going to waste your jams on |
| 248s | drones so uh we are seeing the hyperion |
| 250s | actually take a pretty decent amount of |
| 252s | damage um hopefully for template uh yeah |
| 256s | hopefully for template's sake they have |
| 257s | a lot of self-rep on that but it seems |
| 259s | like it's going down really fast yeah i |
| 261s | mean the way that they've committed this |
| 263s | kill was suggested to me that they were |
| 264s | successful with the jam on their neros |
| 266s | and decided this their time to pounce um |
| 268s | these three scorpions clearly they've |
| 269s | just been stacking jams and just waiting |
| 271s | you know trying to get the right time |
| 272s | and they are now volleying onto this |
| 273s | hyperion with all these drones out as |
| 275s | well but he's obviously got a local rep |
| 277s | on that hyperion very very strong local |
| 278s | rep ship so |
| 280s | i mean this jam cycle in the universe |
| 281s | might end all might have ended already |
| 283s | ended as the hyperion is now wrapping |
| 284s | back up and in which case they need to |
| 286s | wait for another opening |
| 287s | the anirus is repping again i can see |
| 289s | the effect i'm not sure if you can see |
| 290s | it on the stream but you know their |
| 292s | psychotic tendencies is trading their |
| 293s | spittles for this um it does look like |
| 295s | they kind of all end for a second like |
| 297s | every single jam was on the nether neros |
| 299s | somehow it didn't get jammed and was |
| 300s | able to save this hyperion but you know |
| 302s | those three spiffles was a significant |
| 304s | amount of dps on the psychotic |
| 305s | tendencies side so losing two |
| 307s | potentially this third is really not a |
| 309s | good situation to be in yeah this third |
| 311s | one is going to go down and yeah like |
| 312s | you said these three scorpions and no |
| 314s | gun damnation is not going to be the |
| 316s | highest dps comp in the world to say the |
| 318s | least so yeah those three circles um you |
| 320s | can assume that they were going to be |
| 321s | pretty significant portion of the dps |
| 323s | obviously three or two cannons ripples |
| 324s | on top of you is not in significant way |
| 327s | but |
| 327s | um yeah like a pretty integral part of |
| 329s | this comp i mean they've got the bomber |
| 330s | as well but he is taking some aggro but |
| 332s | at this point tissue |
| 334s | not looking good to be honest i mean |
| 336s | these three scorpions it was a bit of a |
| 337s | gamble obviously ecm in general not like |
| 339s | i'm not saying ecm's pure rng you know |
| 341s | there are skills using ecm comps but |
| 343s | this kind of comp is so all in on ecm |
| 345s | that it's going to live or die by that |
| 347s | mechanic and at this at this point in |
| 348s | time it doesn't look like it's working |
| 350s | out |
| 351s | well and we're about to see uh sort of |
| 352s | the skill in ecm um as they go for opus |
| 355s | if the other two scorpions swap and jam |
| 358s | the dps and opus stops jamming like if |
| 361s | they do some really good weird |
| 362s | cross-jamming stuff they can actually |
| 363s | save him here but like it's a scorpion |
| 365s | it's a t1 battleship it's got five low |
| 367s | slots |
| 368s | not particularly tanky and uh they might |
| 370s | just lose them right here and you know |
| 373s | as that ecm goes down you're basically |
| 375s | dismantling the team here |
| 377s | yeah for one of a better word um tissue |
| 379s | after all they're bleating about going |
| 381s | 2-0 3-0 200 in the feeders they might |
| 385s | actually be looking towards zero two day |
| 386s | here after winning so well in the first |
| 388s | weekend just being unceremoniously |
| 390s | dumped out in the top 12. |
| 393s | okay |
| 394s | fair |
| 395s | being unceremoniously dumped out in the |
| 397s | top 12 still dumps you out with like |
| 398s | what eight at ships or oh yeah it's |
| 400s | still a reasonable performance but i'm |
| 402s | you know today i think their comps have |
| 403s | been just kind of weird i mean the |
| 405s | triple scorp and before that we saw the |
| 406s | triple armageddon with the you know the |
| 408s | armageddon as a sort of mainline damage |
| 411s | ship with the rapid heavy missiles it's |
| 413s | just it's weird |
| 415s | yeah i this is this is extremely |
| 417s | questionable i mean |
| 419s | i will say that i think that their |
| 421s | setups that they've run have been |
| 423s | probably the most interesting setups |
| 424s | that we've seen but usually there's a |
| 426s | reason why you don't see interesting |
| 428s | setups winning like |
| 430s | look at this it's it's cool it's a great |
| 432s | idea but uh |
| 433s | they're just not applying any damage |
| 434s | here and i don't i don't know what they |
| 436s | can do at this point like |
| 437s | maybe try and headshot a magus who knows |
| 440s | temples has been very smart in their |
| 442s | positioning here and keeping everything |
| 443s | far away |
| 444s | i mean to be fair templars are also |
| 447s | probably like top three for interesting |
| 449s | comps so far this tournament with that |
| 450s | or was it the dreck of that comp they |
| 452s | fielded on day one with two curses now |
| 454s | this they've got two hyperions they |
| 456s | fielded some interesting stuff of their |
| 457s | own |
| 459s | yeah this is this is really cool and you |
| 461s | could tell that they kind of had |
| 462s | prepared themselves too for |
| 464s | maybe i wouldn't necessarily say they |
| 466s | were prepared for an ecm setup but if |
| 468s | you look at |
| 469s | bringing blackbirds and then also |
| 470s | hyperions like you have ships that can |
| 472s | tank really really well here and |
| 475s | without having their logistics working |
| 477s | it does look like tissue is actually |
| 478s | going after the logistics of templates |
| 480s | but you know those jams are crazy and |
| 482s | we're seeing both ivy lash and opus |
| 484s | dropping at the same time |
| 486s | just |
| 486s | the ecm as your ships go down the amount |
| 489s | of ecm you can put out goes up by so |
| 491s | much |
| 493s | yeah i mean the only problem is |
| 495s | given that the ecm mechanic still lets |
| 497s | people shoot you you know they can jam |
| 498s | everyone but they're still all going to |
| 500s | die in terms of um damage and health |
| 502s | that's left on the field they're still |
| 504s | losing both those metrics pretty |
| 505s | significantly so unfortunately this is |
| 507s | going to be the end of the road for |
| 508s | tissue um and it's just going to be |
| 510s | templar spending these remaining two |
| 511s | minutes killing whatever they can taking |
| 512s | out their frustration on being in the |
| 514s | loser's bracket on opus on the hands and |
| 517s | on drummond and saying bad tissue don't |
| 520s | bring ecm it's naughty |
| 523s | yeah it's uh always wild to see uh it's |
| 526s | good to see that this was not sort of |
| 527s | one of those ecm versus ecm setups where |
| 529s | nothing died for nine minutes and a half |
| 532s | you know at least we got to see some |
| 533s | spaceship explosions but if you think |
| 535s | about it like |
| 537s | ecm is |
| 538s | always always interesting to watch |
| 544s | i recognize that from a viewership |
| 546s | perspective it's a little like |
| 547s | i don't get it i don't like it easy and |
| 549s | bad |
| 551s | i think you need to put your batteries |
| 553s | on charge as well bart because you just |
| 555s | went robot a little bit like north did |
| 556s | earlier |
| 557s | uh |
| 558s | yeah i we are actually all sharing the |
| 561s | same battery pack but um |
| 563s | i'm i'm blaming uh teamspeak |
| 567s | we should be using skype the greatest of |
| 569s | all no i don't think i really don't |
| 572s | think we should be using skype |
| 575s | if you're using teamspeak 2 instead of |
| 577s | teamspeak 3 that that'd be the related |
| 579s | to it but uh yeah it's just mostly |
| 582s | cleanup at this point you know templates |
| 583s | they're probably going to get at least |
| 584s | the scorpion done that damn nation like |
| 586s | how do you think that thing was fit |
| 588s | because i'm really curious about it um |
| 591s | it could be like a full new damnation |
| 593s | like we saw |
| 594s | um they committed so heavily into newt's |
| 596s | last time with the triple armageddons |
| 597s | maybe they thought well we can just park |
| 599s | this |
| 599s | damnation on someone but i mean it's a |
| 601s | weird choice for that in my opinion um |
| 604s | yeah it's it's unusual of of course |
| 606s | missiles on the damnation obviously |
| 608s | don't use any capacitor so there's not |
| 609s | really any |
| 610s | downside into fitting like you know like |
| 612s | even if you fit a full tank damnation |
| 613s | you can still get like you know three |
| 615s | 400 dps out of a ham damnation um and |
| 618s | then a comp that's so low on damage |
| 620s | otherwise with three scorpions yeah it's |
| 622s | an unusual choice for sure |
| 624s | okay it did go down i was a little |
| 625s | worried there because it seemed like it |
| 626s | was tanking um i i want to see what |
| 628s | their choices were obviously we won't |
| 630s | have time to explore that as the match |
| 631s | will be over in about 10 seconds but uh |
| 634s | yeah that was that was weird that's |
| 637s | just super weird no missile damnation |
| 639s | three scorpions |
| 641s | three stipples not the best setup but it |
| 643s | was definitely interesting and we love |
| 645s | interesting here and hopefully we see |
| 647s | more in the last three matches as we go |
| 649s | back to the studio |