[2023] EVE Online | EVE Fanfest 2023 - Real Life Skill Training with EVE

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0s	hello it has been five long years since
5s	I last stood on this stage and actually
7s	had the opportunity to address this
10s	community um and I don't think I've
13s	ever empathized with someone quite as
16s	much as when CCP Burger was on the stage
18s	yesterday saying that being on this
20s	stage is kind of his happy place because
22s	his safe place because just being here
26s	with the community honestly is um
29s	comforting in a way that's hard to
31s	describe uh so as as they said my name
34s	is Andrew growan uh I write a book
35s	series called empires of Eve I've been
38s	writing about Eve online yes yes let's
41s	do a round of applause for empires of
42s	Eve yeah thank you hey we got a copy in
45s	the audience appreciate
48s	that
50s	um so the first time that I ever came to
53s	FanFest was actually 10 years ago and
56s	the slogan for Eve online at the time
58s	was Eve online into the second decade
61s	and now I feel like that's actually my
62s	mission right now is heading into the
64s	second decade the grains keep slipping
67s	Through The Hourglass my friends it's
69s	terrifying so I wanted to use this as an
72s	opportunity to kind of give you guys an
74s	update on where empires of Eve is right
77s	now before we get into the rest of the
79s	presentation um to use us as an
82s	opportunity to show you or to tell you
85s	who I am first of all if you don't
86s	actually know who I am um and to see
90s	what I've actually been up to in the two
92s	years since empires of be Volume 2 came
94s	out so in 2013 I was a journalist at
98s	wired when I decided to launch a
99s	Kickstarter to raise uh a simple amount
102s	of money to to print a thousand copies
104s	of a book about Eve online that I was
106s	writing at the time um and this
109s	community sight unseen and really
111s	without my having to ask for too much um
116s	decided to just overflow the funding for
119s	the project and allow allowed me to to
121s	create the book that I always wanted to
124s	but never even really bothered to dream
127s	I would be able to have the space and
129s	the funding to be able to go um and
131s	report and to interview everybody in the
133s	community and to to find the story that
136s	I always wanted to write and the
137s	experience of that fundamentally changed
140s	my life and I'm I'm I'm still to this
142s	day I mean I'm here because of that
144s	initial trust that the community placed
146s	in me and um yeah I just can't I to this
150s	day I still feel warm fuzzies in in my
152s	belly uh over that moment because it was
155s	one of the defining moments of my life
157s	then in 2018 we did a campaign on
159s	Kickstarter for a sequel which attracted
161s	even more support and now to date
164s	empires of VI is actually sold nearly
166s	30,000 copies
168s	worldwide and uh just being even saying
172s	that is is absurd to me because like I
174s	said the whole mission in the first
176s	place was just to print a th000 copies
178s	of the book and I thought thought most
181s	of those were going to end up in my
182s	closet so I I to be a to be here at this
185s	moment is um is incredible and I thank
187s	you all so much so uh last month I
191s	actually got a really incredible email
193s	kind of out of the blue from a museum in
197s	Spain called the Espio
200s	telica and they're creating a mum
204s	exhibit on Virtual Worlds and they
206s	wanted to include empires of Eve in
208s	their Museum exhibit this is a
211s	uh screenshot or a
214s	picture they're called pictures when
216s	they're real
218s	um of an exhibit that they did
221s	previously on uh digital misinformation
223s	it's a really wonderful place um and
227s	they do a lot of amazing things with
229s	technology and popular culture and so
231s	the museum uh the exhibit is called
233s	Virtual Worlds from Cyclorama to
235s	metaverse uh and it's going to be
237s	running from November 22nd 202 23
241s	through April 202 or 2024 so if you find
243s	yourself in Madrid for whatever reason
246s	it's free to the public so you can go in
247s	and check out an Eve online exhibit and
250s	uh see what we've been working on just
252s	as a a quick aside for anybody who
254s	doesn't know what a Cyclorama is is
256s	actually kind of interesting it's an
257s	18th century technology that's kind of
260s	in a vague way the first ever virtual
262s	world what they would do is they had
264s	these traveling uh carnivals basically
267s	as a carnival exhibit where they would
269s	take a huge panoramic 360 degree image
273s	that they would paint of like Napoleon's
276s	defeat at waterl or whatever and they
279s	would pipe in music and there would be a
280s	door and you would walk into the center
282s	of it and you'd be surrounded by like uh
285s	a battle that was unfolding and this was
286s	like the 18th century uh version of a
290s	virtual world which is uh really cool
293s	actually I would love to go I wish we
295s	still had those so right now the empires
298s	of volume 2 Audi book is something that
300s	I just finished working on um and it's
303s	currently only available to backers of
305s	the kickstarter for volume 2 but that is
307s	going to change very shortly because I
310s	just finally did all of the little
311s	annoying things that you have to do in
314s	order to submit it to audible it's a
315s	very annoying little process um but I
318s	submitted that five or six days ago and
320s	I'm told it takes about 10 days to get
322s	through the approval process so with a
324s	little bit of luck it should be
325s	available for purchase uh as soon as
327s	next week ideally oh we get a round of
331s	applause for that thank you guys that's
332s	really cool I appreciate it I appreciate
334s	that so for the future of the of the
336s	series I want to talk about that a
338s	little bit before we get going um in uh
341s	next year in 2024 I'm going to be
344s	beginning work on some sort of new
347s	installment in this series it is very
349s	hard for me to talk about what I'm going
351s	to be doing next year because I work by
353s	myself I'm a single person company so
356s	when things get delayed or things slow
359s	down my my entire company comes to a
361s	screeching halt so it's very difficult
363s	to call my shot a year out um but I am
366s	very I have ideas in my head for what I
369s	want to do in the future and I'm
371s	exploring those and I and I'm I'm I'm
373s	really looking forward to it I do not
375s	think it's going to be a full-on Empires
377s	review volume 3 simply because I just
379s	don't think that's the best idea for how
381s	to explore the rest of the story but I
384s	do think that whatever we end up doing
387s	will end up substantially expanding The
389s	Narrative be beyond the events of volume
391s	2 um and whatever I do I promise it'll
394s	be a great idea so uh moving on to what
397s	we're actually going to talk about today
398s	and I wanted to open this up by talking
400s	about empires of Eve because this was
403s	the head space that I was in when I
405s	started working on the the next project
408s	that I was that I've been working on for
410s	the last five years and it all started
414s	when I was in the the finishing stages
416s	of that book and I want to show you guys
418s	something that will be very familiar
419s	amiliar to a lot of you um but we're
423s	making a grander point here so um this
426s	is uh for anybody who doesn't know this
428s	is the sovereignty map of EV online that
431s	shows which organizations own which
434s	nullsec territories and this is a
436s	screenshot of Eve as it appeared in
439s	2007 and it's amazing because we can
442s	actually this is a time lapse and you
444s	can watch a screenshot is each frame of
447s	this video showing a day in the life of
450s	EV on line and so what I want you to do
452s	is I want you to keep your eye on the
454s	bottom left hand corner here a lot of
455s	you are going to know what's coming but
457s	it's it's still pretty interesting to
458s	watch it happen in you know maybe 20 or
461s	30 seconds this blue blob down here in
464s	the bottom leftand corner that says
465s	Banda Brothers on it something terrible
468s	is going to happen to it and uh we
471s	talked about this earlier in the keynote
473s	that this is the dissolution of Band of
476s	Brothers and what's going to oh it's
477s	already gone oh my God he's gone band of
480s	Brothers Bob is dead I can't believe it
483s	happened um and I I these watching this
488s	video was so important to me to
491s	understanding what ion line actually is
494s	because when you see moments like that
498s	happen on the map you know instinctively
500s	as a Storyteller that's where the story
503s	is those moments of of drastic seismic
507s	change are where you go to find the
510s	human dramas that makes the story of Eve
514s	actually worth learning to people those
516s	are the moments where everything changed
518s	that's what you need to understand in
521s	order to understand the E and flow of
522s	power so you see for a long period of
525s	time the map usually tends to remain
527s	mostly stable until you get to these
530s	moments where suddenly everything shifts
533s	and all the sudden a blob just appears
537s	and wipes something else out
540s	and uh this was it was watching this map
544s	play out where I really started to
546s	understand what I was trying to study
548s	with EV on line that I was really
550s	looking from the top down at this kind
552s	of like petri dish of uh a human social
557s	ecology that was evolving over time and
561s	it's very difficult to read this map but
563s	once you understand what you're actually
565s	looking at you can actually see these
568s	organizations uh growing and becoming
572s	larger and more powerful o over time
578s	so having had that in mind and thinking
581s	about the dissolution of Bandit Brothers
583s	I want you to watch another video and
586s	this is a
588s	visualization of the entire internet as
591s	it existed in
593s	1991 and we're watching the exact same
596s	thing taking place where we are watching
598s	a frame a snapshot of the structure of
601s	the internet as it grew day by day over
604s	time and these these flowers are network
608s	hubs like one of these is going to be
610s	Google and another one is going to be
612s	YouTube and the we can learn things
616s	about the structure of the Internet by
617s	studying this map the blue is uh the
622s	United States the red I believe is China
626s	Green represents the networks of Iran
629s	and the Middle East and I believe purple
633s	if I'm not mistaken is Europe and so we
636s	can watch all of this happening as it
639s	unfolds over time and this is a a
641s	visualization project that's created by
642s	Barrett Leon at the Opti project and uh
646s	it's honestly one of the most to me one
648s	of the most beautiful things that I've
649s	ever seen watching the profound of this
653s	system start to develop like this is to
656s	to someone who studies the internet this
658s	is like my pale blue dot like this when
661s	I look at this I see every hero and
664s	coward every young couple falling in
666s	love in the DMS this is everything and
670s	so if you actually looked and this is a
672s	very zoomed out map we can't actually
675s	know what most of these hubs actually
677s	are but what's fascinating to me is you
679s	can see similar things starting to take
682s	starting to happen on this map as
685s	networks start eating each other and and
688s	moving around and and conglomerating
691s	with one another and it's profoundly
695s	fascinating to me to know that if we had
699s	enough information we could zoom in on
701s	this map we could find EV on line in
704s	this bouquet of
706s	flowers and perhaps even find the
709s	dissolution of Band of Brothers on this
712s	map in flow with the entire rest of the
718s	internet
721s	and
723s	um when I started thinking about all of
726s	these things and and seeing these e
729s	these Human Social ecologies playing out
731s	in front of me I started to feel a
734s	little bit crazy and was
738s	wondering am I imagining all of this do
741s	I want this all to be very profound do I
746s	want Eve to be in flow with the whole
749s	rest of humanity in the internet um or
752s	am I actually looking at something
754s	really fascinating here and so in order
757s	to try to wrap my head around this I
759s	reached out to somebody who a some of
762s	you will know others of you will not
764s	know but I think everybody who loves Eve
766s	should know it's a guy named Raph Coster
769s	Raph Coster was the lead designer of
771s	Ultima Online I called in a few uh and
774s	Ultima Online was the direct design
776s	ancestor of Eve um back way back in the
780s	early 2000s even the late 90s one of the
782s	early mission statements for Evon line
785s	as it was being developed was to create
787s	Ultima Online in space so this is a
789s	person who knows a lot about how these
791s	sorts of systems actually work and so I
794s	called in a few favors and managed to
795s	actually get him on the phone and um I'm
798s	going to play a couple of clips for you
799s	from my conversation with him because it
802s	ended up being one of the most profound
805s	conversations I've ever had in my life
807s	as he immediately started started to
809s	explain to me the structure of all human
812s	civilization across all eras of
815s	history and so I bring I bring up this
818s	map for you um this graph for you
820s	because he's going to reference uh
822s	what's called a Paro distribution and
824s	it's all very simple he's going to he's
827s	going to fake like he's going to talk to
829s	you about math but don't be afraid he's
831s	not actually going to we're going to
832s	move past it really quickly but this is
834s	what he's going to be talking about when
836s	he talks about power laws and Paro
838s	distributions you can keep your dry on
839s	this map no you're not too deep if you
842s	take all of the cities in the world and
846s	you put them on a graph for population
849s	so you end up with this but if you take
852s	this and put it on a log scale so this
855s	is the exact same data but on a log
857s	scale it looks like that that's called a
861s	power law distribution often called a
863s	Paro distribution anyway it turns out
866s	that magically throughout history it
869s	hasn't matter what the most powerful
871s	country in the world was you know
873s	regardless of what was going on in
874s	politics if you graft the population of
878s	the cities of the world they always
881s	followed that curve think about how
883s	whack that is for a second they always
886s	have this distribution to them the
888s	biggest one is always nend times larger
891s	than the next biggest and so on down the
893s	chain I'm describing a shape of human
896s	civilization all periods in history
899s	regardless of geography the largest
901s	cities in the world have always had this
903s	structure if you take the wealth of
907s	individuals across the world they have
910s	tended to follow this curve I mean these
912s	curves are hidden everywhere they're
914s	hidden in things like your cell like
916s	your body follows this kind of curve the
920s	graph that is your body has only a very
923s	small percentage of cells that are
925s	actually in charge of specifically
927s	your nervous system cells and and the
929s	kings of the nervous system cells are in
931s	your brain you have cells in your
933s	fingernails not only do you not give a
935s	about them you intentionally kill
936s	them off yourself because they're that
939s	unimportant to your
941s	network so I actually kind of undersold
944s	the ambition of his comments because he
947s	went on to describe how these very same
950s	laws are bound up in almost every
953s	science like the actual states of matter
956s	plasma Gas Liquids and solids are
959s	actually simply names for different
962s	levels of connectivity in the network
965s	graph between the molecules so this is
967s	kind of like a uh universal truth of how
971s	things actually
973s	uh actually works scientifically and he
977s	kind of B started to really blow my mind
978s	when he explained how all of this
980s	applies to MMOs the reason is because of
984s	how networks work when two things form a
988s	relationship
989s	any two things okay any sort form a
992s	relationship mathematicians call that an
994s	edge so think of it as a node and a line
997s	and another node right let's say you've
999s	got a whole bunch of random nodes and
1002s	you just roll dice to start attaching
1004s	them what you'll find is that they
1006s	attach in kind of a soup the an average
1009s	node has the same number of connections
1012s	on average as every other node right but
1015s	if you tilt the odds just a tiny bit so
1018s	that that a node that already has edges
1021s	tends to get more so I want to play WoW
1026s	because it's where my friends are okay
1028s	whatever that's called a preferential
1031s	attachment Network and uh it's very hard
1034s	to find things in human society that are
1036s	not preferential
1038s	attachments you know Facebook wins out
1042s	over the other social networks because
1044s	it's where everybody already is if you
1047s	take the populations of MMOs at any
1050s	given moment since MMOs started they
1053s	also follow this
1055s	curve so it kind of blew my mind and uh
1059s	then further went on to explain that not
1061s	only do
1063s	MMOs collectively follow this structure
1066s	that not only are all of the MMOs
1068s	essentially sharing a population amongst
1071s	each other a single population a single
1074s	community that exists and permeates all
1077s	of the different titles that are out
1078s	there they're even
1080s	included uh but that this actually also
1082s	applies to player organizations this
1084s	applies to guilds and corporations as
1086s	well that this is um essentially social
1090s	science all the way down and you can see
1093s	this in the mega coalitions of nulc
1095s	where you see these very very few groups
1097s	that conglomerate into massive
1100s	coalitions of tens of thousands of
1102s	players whereas the majority of them
1104s	fall into the category of these uh the
1107s	long tail the very small groups of 30 40
1110s	50
1111s	players
1113s	so as a Storyteller of of MMOs and as
1117s	historian of the internet this is
1118s	actually particularly fascinating to me
1121s	because he went on to explain that
1123s	there's this phrase in the science
1125s	called a phase transition that applies
1128s	to all of these different types of
1129s	networks and a phase transition is
1131s	exactly what happened to Band of
1133s	Brothers it's when something happens
1136s	that suddenly causes the network
1139s	connections to shift and when they shift
1142s	they tend to shift very rapidly and you
1144s	see that immediately there something
1147s	terrible happens to Band of Brothers and
1149s	it turns to liquid in a moment and a
1150s	moment later it's evaporated into gas
1152s	and it's
1154s	gone and so I started
1159s	looking as a Storyteller for these
1162s	moments of phase
1164s	transition because those are the
1167s	moments of deepest
1170s	Humanity those are the moments that
1172s	drill down deepest into these other
1175s	digital social networks and can teach
1178s	you the most by digging down into the
1180s	history of why Band of Brothers was
1182s	destroyed what happened there who was
1186s	there who did what and why it all
1188s	occurred you can understand so much
1191s	about ion line and that essentially is
1193s	the structure of the first empires of
1195s	Eve book The dissolution of banded
1197s	Brothers create is provides the climax
1200s	for the story and so I went around
1203s	looking for these other moments of phase
1205s	transition inside the
1208s	other popular networks within that
1211s	shared community of other MMOs and so
1214s	the the first story that I investigated
1216s	was one of the more famous events in
1218s	online gaming history which is this uh
1220s	an event in World of Warcraft called the
1221s	gates of
1223s	anage and the gates of anurage was a
1227s	one-of-a-kind event in which every
1230s	server of World of Warcraft received a
1232s	new dungeon with the gates sealed and
1235s	each server had to go on a massive realm
1238s	wide Quest that included every single
1241s	player on that realm to work together in
1243s	order to amass an enormous amount of
1245s	supplies to you know uh Supply The Siege
1249s	on on this hidden dungeon where the old
1251s	God cathon this big eyeball was waiting
1254s	um and they could only actually go into
1257s	it when the entire server
1259s	had amassed all of these these this
1261s	enormous amount of supplies and when one
1263s	particular hero from each particular
1265s	server had gone on this monthlong quest
1268s	to reforge uh the scepter of the
1271s	shifting Sands so that he could ring a
1273s	Gong outside the gates and open them up
1276s	for the first time and so what
1278s	implicitly ended up happening is that
1280s	this has created a race between all of
1283s	the different Realms to be the first one
1285s	to open up the gates and one one server
1289s	one in particular a server called
1291s	miv and uh this guy named kalahad was
1295s	the very first person to open the gates
1297s	in World of Warcraft history and what
1301s	nobody anticipated including the
1303s	designers of the encounter was that when
1307s	you have only one place on one server of
1311s	in World of Warcraft where something
1313s	interesting is happening every other
1316s	server
1317s	empties all of the players from the
1319s	other servers not all of the players but
1321s	tens of thousands of players from the
1323s	other servers left their server created
1326s	level one characters on the miv server
1329s	and began a massive pilgrimage across
1333s	the world of Azeroth to arrive in the
1335s	desert in one of these higher level
1337s	zones to be able to be there to witness
1339s	the opening of the gates of anurage and
1342s	that's what you see here in these uh
1345s	relatively Exquisite screenshots of of
1347s	players massing around the gates as they
1350s	were
1353s	opened so the second story that I dug
1357s	into was this story that I call the
1359s	siege of keral by the armies of the dead
1361s	and it takes place in a zombie
1363s	apocalypse text MMO called Urban dead um
1367s	which is a fabulous game despite the
1370s	fact that it's a text-based MMO and what
1373s	ended up happening in urban dead is the
1376s	the way the game worked was these zombie
1378s	side and The Human Side were not fixed
1380s	teams if you died as a human you became
1383s	a member of the zombie team and if you
1385s	were a zombie and a human jabbed you
1387s	with a with a medical syringe you came
1390s	back to life and became uh a human again
1393s	so at a certain point the humans got
1396s	tired of running away from the zombies
1398s	and decided to make a Last Stand at this
1400s	place called kager mall and hundreds
1403s	upon hundreds of humans showed up to
1405s	defend them all to try to actually
1407s	create one Little slice of civilization
1410s	again in this apocalypse so that they
1412s	didn't have to get dispersed by the
1413s	overwhelming horde over and over and
1415s	over again and so what happens is the
1419s	zombies all find out that this is where
1421s	everybody is at and every horde of
1424s	zombies within the game converged on ker
1428s	Maul and you have this incredible battle
1430s	that takes place between thousands of
1432s	players that unfolded over the course of
1434s	more than a month and the only reason
1437s	why it ended Ed is because Urban dead
1441s	was run by an independent game developer
1444s	there was only one developer in charge
1446s	of the game and he was not able to be
1448s	inside the virtual environment and
1450s	actually know what was happening so in
1453s	the middle of the siege of kager
1455s	maul the guy whose name his name was
1458s	Kevin Kevin changed some of the rules
1462s	you remember that's that revivification
1464s	syringe that I talked about he changed
1466s	the loot rate of the
1468s	syringes so that three times as many
1471s	syringes were able to be found and the
1474s	humans wiped out the zombies Side by
1477s	resurrecting almost all of them so that
1479s	there were almost no zombies Left in
1481s	urban
1482s	dead and the
1486s	story climaxes or culminates with um a
1490s	protest March that where the zombie side
1495s	and The Human Side actually joined in
1497s	common cause and became allies and
1499s	marched across the city in solidarity to
1502s	try to get Kevin's attention to say Lord
1505s	the game is broken we need your help
1508s	please roll back please roll back the
1514s	update this is a game called Asheron's
1517s	Call which came out in 2000 and the
1520s	graphics are great aren't they guys
1522s	Round of Applause for Asheron's calls
1524s	Graphics thank you
1526s	so asheron was a really cool game where
1530s	they had an the developers of the game
1532s	had an idea and what they wanted to do
1536s	was they wanted to uh release these
1539s	crystals all over the game world for the
1542s	players to find and what the players
1544s	didn't know was that when they smashed
1546s	these crystals and got a bunch of loot
1548s	out of them that these crystals in the
1551s	lore were actually the hor cruxes of the
1554s	game's main villain this winged demon
1556s	named baleron um and so the development
1559s	team didn't tell the players that they
1561s	were trying to trick them into releasing
1563s	the demon through their own greed right
1565s	they were trying to pull the old oky do
1567s	on them and they were trying to like
1568s	release these little hints that this was
1570s	what was going to happen and that's what
1572s	you're looking at right now when you see
1573s	these players standing on a Mountaintop
1575s	the development team actually layered a
1578s	silhouette of baleron into the Skybox of
1581s	the world so that when lightning struck
1583s	you would be able to see just for like a
1585s	fraction of a second you would see the
1587s	winged demon with Beady red eyes de uh
1590s	beaming down on the world of uh Darth it
1593s	was called
1594s	Darth and so once the players figured
1597s	out that the dev team was trying
1601s	to make them complicit in the
1604s	destruction of the world that they were
1605s	roleplaying as saviors of they refused
1608s	to play along they literally formed a
1610s	secret society that formed Oaths to
1614s	guard the final Crystal the final hor
1616s	Crux of baleron the hope Slayer 24 hours
1620s	a day 7 days a week for more than a
1623s	month and they the cool thing about
1626s	Asheron's Call is that every creature in
1629s	the game had experience points that
1631s	could level up so if you were a monster
1634s	you could uh and you killed a player you
1636s	would get XP from that and you might
1638s	actually level up and become an even
1639s	more powerful monster players used to
1641s	troll the Newbie zones by feeding
1644s	themselves to like a level one bunny
1646s	rabbit until it was a level 30 rabbit
1648s	and it was just rampaging through the
1650s	new the Newbie zones nibbling players to
1653s	death right so they did the same thing
1655s	to the Crystal and they turned it into a
1657s	level 900 Crystal that one shot
1660s	everybody who ever came near it and it
1662s	became so broken that it started
1664s	refusing Dev commands and
1669s	the they eventually figured out exactly
1671s	why it was refusing Dev commands it
1673s	wasn't like a ghost or something like
1675s	that but uh what what actually happened
1677s	is the the Crystal had so much extra
1679s	experience that the moment they tried to
1681s	set it its HP to zero to destroy it it
1685s	would spend its XP on more levels again
1687s	and and instantly re uh refill its own
1690s	health but it took him a while to figure
1692s	out why that was happening they were I
1694s	talked to the devs about this they were
1695s	like we were kind of scared we were like
1698s	what's going
1700s	on so this is lit this is actually uh so
1703s	what they ended up doing is they they
1705s	found the greatest troll in Asheron's
1709s	Call and recruited them into a basically
1712s	a role-play event where they gave them
1714s	um like Infinity Buffs to go in and
1717s	roleplay the destruction of of the the
1720s	crystal Defenders and destroy the
1722s	Crystal and on it's too long of a story
1725s	but you have to read the story it's a
1726s	it's a it's a great tale um and this is
1729s	this is baleron after he was Ultimate
1730s	released this down here this person in
1733s	the orange in the bottom left that's
1735s	vidorian uh the greatest troll in the
1738s	history of of Asheron's Call uh who
1740s	ultimately destroyed the crystal
1742s	released baleron the Hope Slayer and
1744s	commenced uh what they call the fourth
1746s	sending of
1750s	Darkness this guy's another great
1753s	troll fancy the famous Bard was a
1756s	character in
1758s	EverQuest
1759s	who EverQuest had a
1762s	problem with um what you might call
1765s	lords they didn't control certain
1769s	aspects of their community and so they
1771s	had to create all these rules to govern
1773s	these people's behavior and make sure
1774s	that they weren't harassing people out
1776s	of the game and the the players these
1780s	players hated that and they were like
1781s	well we need to be able to express
1783s	ourselves to the maximum uh of of our
1786s	capability or else we're not living our
1788s	fullest life in the virtual environment
1790s	so the solution that they came up with
1792s	was to create a no rule server and the
1796s	no rule server had one rule it wasn't
1798s	quite a no rule server they had one rule
1801s	and it was that any player who was less
1802s	than level lower than level six was
1804s	invulnerable couldn't be attacked by
1806s	other players so this was a ruthless
1809s	place that was run by the worst elements
1812s	of the community the PE some of the some
1814s	of the most some of the best pvpers in
1816s	the game um but they were mean dudes and
1820s	so fancy the famous Bard was a level six
1824s	player who skilled only one skill and it
1829s	was called celos accelerando celos
1832s	accelerando is a movement speed skill
1834s	that Buffs your movement speed so that
1837s	you can run faster than everyone what he
1839s	did is he ran around the world
1841s	attracting the aggro of all of these
1843s	what are called sand Giants which are
1846s	very large formidable enemies and you
1848s	can see and it's hard to see some with
1850s	these Graphics but you can see the sand
1852s	Giants are chasing uh fancy through the
1855s	down the river across the desert here
1857s	here um and he would take this enormous
1861s	train of highlevel enemies and run it
1864s	right into the town centers and kill
1866s	everybody and the fun thing about fancy
1870s	is that he was role playing as a doer of
1872s	good he worshiped the God of Light this
1875s	guy named mithaniel marah who was a uh
1877s	he's a God in the Everquest Universe
1879s	who's who's literally he's a paladin
1881s	whose face is so beautiful that he hides
1883s	it behind his hair because it would pain
1885s	you to look upon him and that was
1887s	Fancy's God and fancy um killed everyone
1892s	fancy killed 350 people across a rampage
1895s	of two days and basically took over suen
1898s	Ze at only level six uh the the no rule
1901s	server was called suen Ze and he became
1903s	the level six God of senen here he is
1905s	again with a with a whole train of of
1908s	sand Giants chasing after him there's
1910s	there's fancy closeup with his cool
1912s	green vest running across the desert I
1915s	love this guy
1919s	the Sun King shines on the devil of the
1921s	Republic the best chapter title I ever
1924s	came up with is about second life one of
1929s	the weirdest and
1931s	ultimately kind of oddly coolest games
1934s	that I've ever learned about uh in the
1939s	early 2000s there was a really big fad
1942s	around second life and the idea of
1945s	creating permanent virtual Outpost
1947s	inside of second life and the first
1951s	political organization in history I
1953s	believe to create a virtual headquarters
1957s	was the the What's called the front
1959s	National in France which is the uh
1963s	political party within France that tends
1965s	to blame things on immigrants which
1967s	tends to be a thing that shows up at
1968s	least once in every country it seems
1970s	like but the Denis of Second Life hated
1974s	this they hated the idea that this was
1976s	going to be an unwelcome space a a place
1979s	where they were
1981s	celebrating the election of jearie Leen
1985s	who was the leader of the party who is
1987s	now who is actually the father of the
1988s	current leader of the party Marine Leen
1991s	and so they staged uh protest SL rot
1995s	they shot they made guns that shot pigs
1998s	uh at the headquarters building and they
2000s	basically shut the entire thing down
2003s	they made lots of posters with jearie Le
2005s	Pen with a little Hitler mustache on
2008s	and then my absolute favorite thing one
2009s	of the one of them made an AOE attack of
2013s	Thomas the Train
2016s	Engine which is just worth the whole
2018s	story just on its own um and
2023s	so Jean Marie Le Pen's nickname in
2025s	France was the devil of the Republic and
2028s	when the protesters actually defeated
2031s	the front National and forced them to
2033s	retreat from Second Life um they second
2037s	life is a highly modable game and they
2040s	took a JPEG of Dr Martin Luther King Jr
2043s	and they superimposed it on the Sun so
2045s	that forever afterward Dr King would be
2048s	shining down smiling upon the site of a
2050s	successful anti-fascist
2058s	action so I've now been studying MMOs
2062s	for 10 years and I've been working on
2064s	these particular stories uh and studying
2066s	I've written I think seven or eight
2068s	chapters um over the last five years in
2071s	my spare time chipping away at this and
2073s	doing research on on other games well at
2076s	the same time I was writing about Eve
2078s	and the key takeaway is
2080s	actually it's profound But ultimately
2082s	very simple is that we are from many
2086s	games but we exist across one larger
2089s	Community that's more important than any
2091s	individual game and that we are
2094s	ultimately connected to our Brethren
2096s	across the gaming community and to a
2098s	lesser extent in we are in flow with the
2101s	entire rest of the digital Humanity
2104s	across the internet in that uh
2106s	visualization that we watched earlier
2108s	makes that relatively
2110s	clear and I find this so deeply
2112s	interesting
2115s	because these moments of phase
2117s	transition these moments where the
2119s	social fabric of the world breaks
2123s	down has everything to teach a modern
2126s	social media
2128s	about what awaits all of us in a digital
2132s	future because I've got bad news Mark
2136s	Zuckerberg doesn't know about any of
2138s	this stuff he's never studied it Elon
2140s	Musk doesn't know about the history and
2143s	what the history of gaming and online
2145s	gaming has to teach social media about
2148s	the internet's past and it's almost
2152s	disappointingly these moments of protest
2155s	and rupture are these social failures
2158s	where these societies kind of came apart
2161s	are are far more complicated and
2163s	interesting than what's going wrong with
2166s	modern social media today which is
2168s	failing at elements that are far more
2171s	basic than what games like Eve are
2173s	experimenting with in the modern world
2176s	and so that is one of the great things
2179s	about Eve and the responsibilities of
2181s	Eve moving forward is that Eve is the
2184s	test pilot for digital research SE arch
2187s	for testing out Human Social
2190s	societies um and it's a it's an awesome
2193s	responsibility and it's one to take
2194s	extremely seriously and I know that CCP
2200s	does
2203s	so I've Loved writing these stories so
2205s	much because they take place in deeply
2208s	Fantastical environments and star these
2211s	bizarre characters and they grapple
2215s	with the function of the UN of these
2218s	digital universes and and what goes
2220s	wrong when things go wrong and I've
2223s	spent years trying to figure out what I
2224s	should actually call this book um when
2228s	so many of the characters that we're
2230s	meeting and we're grappling with in this
2232s	story are some of the most problematic
2234s	elements of uh of the univer of these
2237s	digital
2239s	universes um and that's why I came up
2242s	with the name Edge Lord elegy the fates
2244s	of digital
2246s	societies and I hope that you will
2248s	consider uh as we move forward into the
2250s	early next year uh becoming a supporter
2252s	as we start to plan a
2256s	Kickstarter so all of my research over
2260s	these past five years working on these
2264s	stories suggest just one deeply and
2267s	desperately important lesson for Eve and
2270s	for the internet broadly and for social
2273s	media and it's that every time one of
2277s	these societies broke down if you study
2281s	it closely enough you find out that it
2283s	was designed to break down exactly as it
2286s	did it was always going to happen and so
2290s	you have to study these spaces and
2292s	understand the social dynamics well
2294s	enough to get out in front of it and
2296s	make sure that that collapse does not
2298s	happen because in the
2300s	future where we're living in a world
2303s	where Facebook has two billion citizens
2307s	the consequences of such a rupture
2310s	aren't as cheeky as fancy the famous
2313s	Bard they're potentially extraordinarily
2316s	serious
2318s	and one of the reasons why I love Eve so
2322s	much is that I know that Eve does take
2324s	that responsibility so seriously and
2328s	um if Eve is going to achieve the dream
2333s	of Eve
2334s	forever the only way that that is going
2337s	to happen is by building the community
2341s	person by person and making sure that
2345s	absolutely nobody flies alone and that
2347s	the community is healthy and strong and
2351s	I just want to say thank you guys so
2352s	much for coming and for giving me an
2354s	opportunity to be up here again I've
2355s	missed you all so much um and hop about
2358s	a round of applause for everybody at
2359s	home who didn't get to come this year
2362s	thank you guys so much thank
2365s	you
2425s	for
2430s	all right that was an excellent
2432s	presentation which uh shows us that
2434s	wherever Humanity goes it's always there
2437s	right that's the I think that's the
2438s	moral of the story I'm CCP goat I'm CCP
2441s	goat I can do my own name I promise uh
2444s	and I'm joined here by two very special
2445s	guest my uh co-host danana IO and uh uh
2451s	Ryan from um from uh Vancouver Yeah Yeah
2455s	from from Vancouver exactly
2457s	from Project Discovery Pro discovery
2459s	that was the thing that you were here to
2460s	uh talk about and present about you had
2462s	a very successful presentation yesterday
2464s	showed us some very very cool stuff uh I
2467s	wanted to ask you like um it's a
2469s	question that I get uh repeatedly as a
2472s	person who works in PX dealing with
2474s	tickets and uh other like support um
2477s	question so to speak does uh does this
2481s	project Discovery actually do anything
2483s	does it give any results that is a
2485s	question I get seriously yes oh my god
2488s	um it's going to change the world so
2490s	there yes yes and it's going to change
2492s	the world because um we're going to have
2494s	better drugs faster with less side
2496s	effects that are going to do things like
2498s	cure
2499s	cancer so does that count that counts
2502s	that absolutely counts uh you hear that
2504s	twitch chat yeah and and it's not it's
2507s	not it's not because of bots it's
2509s	because of real people yes correct okay
2512s	that's excellent and you were able to
2514s	take what you learned from this one and
2516s	apply it to the next one that's coming
2518s	right yeah so so for when we started on
2519s	this we were doing Co and um the thing
2522s	that was really awesome was just how
2524s	much data we were getting we we I had we
2527s	we spent months trying to fill that pipe
2528s	of all these players clicking clicking
2530s	clicking and and then we had the
2532s	realization that wow with all this data
2534s	we let's just make it better and give
2537s	them more data and explore other
2538s	diseases of the immune system that we
2539s	didn't even have the idea that we'd ever
2541s	get to because the data was looking so
2543s	awesome that we're going to do things
2544s	that we never had in our head in the
2545s	first place wow that's pretty amazing
2547s	and we're going over yeah we're going to
2549s	analyzing cancer not re right so the
2551s	next so next thing we do is not just
2553s	analyzing cancer the the tools that
2555s	they're looking at is going to help us
2557s	um develop machine learning algorithms
2558s	to help develop cures for cancer wow
2561s	it's and so true story I'm going to
2564s	fizer next week to like one of the major
2567s	drug companies in the world name we W
2569s	hurt now yeah and and this is for good
2571s	vaccines are for good people um I'm a
2573s	scientist trust me um and so I'm meeting
2576s	with the head of CL hometry at fiser and
2578s	I'm showing him data coming off of
2580s	project Discovery because I just showed
2582s	it to some people at that company in San
2584s	Diego last week and they're like this is
2587s	as good as the data that we're producing
2588s	ourselves as real scientists wow it's
2591s	true story I think that's actually
2593s	pretty wow that's that's amazing yeah
2595s	and and and the excitement is that fast
2598s	yeah it yeah it happens that fast you of
2601s	course went into this a lot in your uh
2602s	presentation yesterday uh which people
2605s	can watch on uh on the channel from
2607s	yesterday and
2608s	like yeah and like exactly uh
2613s	so I find it extremely uh humorous that
2617s	you are on here as a fc for pandemic
2622s	horde well not of seeing as much as logi
2626s	anchoring but it's still pretty close to
2628s	the same thing right uh it's an
2630s	important part of the of the of that um
2634s	aspect of group gameplay right oh yeah
2636s	somebody has to anchor on the logy or
2638s	logy have to Anchor somewhere yes yeah
2641s	but uh you were telling me sorry my in
2643s	ear came out that's not supposed to
2645s	happen uh you were telling me that this
2648s	is your first time here at at FanFest
2650s	yeah even though you've been like around
2652s	CCP for some time yeah I've been we
2654s	started this project three years ago I'm
2655s	a I'm a I'm a hardcore gamer I have I
2657s	have a little man cave that's got
2658s	screens and a PC Xbox a switch i' I've
2662s	been playing since like Vic 20 days I'm
2663s	dating myself right not Eve because it
2667s	scares the out of me
2669s	yes it is a game that takes a lot of
2671s	time to get into I would say uh but um
2675s	it can be very rewarding as you can see
2677s	from the community that comes here you
2679s	were saying it's uh it's like it's not
2682s	as scary because the people are so nice
2685s	the the the the people are nice the game
2687s	scares me I I I went down that path of
2690s	um of sorry wow
2693s	and it like many many many late night
2696s	nights and this is spre so I'm a data
2698s	scientist and you they're showing at
2701s	these talks like graphs and everyone's
2703s	just loving the graphs I've got a new
2704s	graph type yeah and that's that's my day
2707s	job and I and I love my job so much and
2709s	the idea of going into a game that is so
2711s	data intensive and graph heavy it's like
2713s	I I want to keep I like my life
2715s	now and I I have I have things I want to
2718s	do besides Eve but I I I can tell you
2722s	here and now that there is a way to play
2723s	Eve without going into graphs I have
2725s	done it
2727s	agreed graphs no spreadsheets you need
2731s	those okay all right yeah I'm more of a
2734s	factional Warfare kind of person I un
2736s	talk I find somebody I die and then I
2738s	quit for the day okay it's my my dose of
2742s	Eve yeah and I mean I do NSE stuff so a
2745s	lot of times I'm just like I just unduck
2747s	I go and rep whoever needs repping
2750s	whenever we're shooting whoever we're
2751s	shooting and but then there's still
2754s	sometimes like I need to organize my
2755s	ships
2757s	um especially if I'm like suitcasing
2759s	with my caps and all that so I have
2761s	still a bunch of spreadsheets maybe not
2763s	as many grabs at all but still yeah it's
2766s	a good thing that we actually have a
2768s	have a an add in into EV online for Exel
2772s	which helps with that kind of stuff the
2773s	first game to do that by the way that is
2776s	pretty awesome that's pretty awesome and
2777s	all the stuff you guys are doing in R
2779s	and python that's that's the world I
2781s	live in and so it's it's too close to
2784s	home yeah it's almost like comfortable
2787s	turning your work into a passion yeah
2789s	and it already is and that's the problem
2791s	yes okay yeah I understand that I
2793s	understand that um uh were you out last
2796s	night on the pup
2798s	girl I was not tell me about that so uh
2802s	I briefly touched on it this morning but
2804s	uh it's a it's a it's a wonderful time
2807s	where a bunch of uh grown people come
2811s	together is a is it a hoorde yeah would
2815s	yeah happy
2817s	hord hordes are can I think guess happy
2820s	hordes are the thing not nefarius we're
2821s	there for good I would say so hordes for
2824s	good in hords for goods for
2828s	good uh CCP takes no official stance on
2831s	which Alliance is best uh but however
2834s	during pub crawl uh we often have um and
2838s	I heard that were some there were some
2840s	groups that were stealing beers from
2842s	other groups uh I heard yeah know no no
2847s	but yeah I mean it's it's a
2848s	long-standing tradition it started out
2850s	like when when FanFest was still young
2853s	it started out with uh people just
2855s	wanted to keep talking after their
2856s	lectures which happened in a place that
2858s	was
2859s	maybe 12th of the size of this uh and
2864s	they just wanted to go out for beer and
2865s	after that it it evolved grew it became
2868s	uh a thing where you have 14 groups of
2871s	four or five devs with 15 to 20 players
2874s	going around we each tried to hit a the
2876s	bar and then we have a central location
2877s	everybody meets up at and you can
2879s	imagine it's just like I just did the
2881s	math in my head that's a ho that's a
2884s	that's a lot of people uh it is um it is
2888s	a legend how um kind and um courteous uh
2893s	Eve online players are when they come
2895s	here even when they are uh I don't know
2898s	how just like they are in Game yes
2900s	exactly everybody is so nice in game
2902s	right yeah I mean it's it's a whole
2904s	different thing it's like sports team
2906s	games it's like you have the other team
2908s	and it's like oh you could be like oh
2910s	beat them but still after the game or if
2912s	you're like tailg and you're still going
2914s	to give them a beer you can still hang
2915s	out with them or or take them or or take
2918s	the beers yes yeah that's I think that's
2920s	an important part because it's like it
2921s	is a a living community you should know
2924s	that everything that happens on the
2925s	battlefield stays there and once you're
2926s	out you're just two people who play the
2928s	same game and we can all have fun and
2931s	that's that's a unique I think it's a
2933s	unique um method of playing a game game
2936s	where you can actually lose a lot of
2937s	stuff uh not get real stuff yeah real
2940s	stuff that has like actual monetary
2942s	value uh and not be that mad about it
2945s	that mad about it like it can hurt it's
2947s	still kind of disappointing when you get
2949s	dropped on and lose three caps and
2951s	you're
2952s	like SAT but everybody has those stories
2955s	but then you can peace out and do some
2956s	project Discovery and feel better about
2958s	the world except yes and I also want to
2960s	say that there are no uh drops in
2962s	factional Warfare if you're in the right
2964s	complex as that is but um I will want to
2968s	wrap this up now and maybe uh head on
2970s	over to to get ready for the next
2972s	presentation which is um skills in real
2975s	life in Eve with real life skills in Eve
2978s	I swear I can do titles guys I swear uh
2981s	with auki that is the next presentation
2984s	happening on the big stage uh any final
2987s	words for this one um please keep doing
2990s	that data it's really important it's
2992s	going to help so many people around the
2993s	world and maybe even your mother we all
2996s	want to help their mother
2999s	specifically and uh you will be with me
3002s	after the next presentation so uh guys
3005s	we will see you
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3594s	do
3598s	exploring how the roles we undertake in
3600s	new Eden can provide transferable skills
3603s	into real life please welcome to the
3605s	stage
3617s	euki hello
3620s	everybody how's FanFest
3623s	going awesome you got to ask when you
3626s	get to be on the main stage
3627s	right so um hello my name is Zuki Z and
3632s	today we're going to be talking about
3634s	real life skill training with Eve online
3637s	so if you have been playing for a while
3640s	or not a while and you're wondering what
3642s	can I be doing in Eve that's going to
3644s	actually help me outside of Eve we're
3646s	going to try to answer that question
3650s	today so um today what I'm going to run
3654s	through for every everybody I'm going to
3655s	tell everybody a brief bit about myself
3658s	Who I Am What I've Done in Eve maybe why
3660s	you want to care just a little bit um
3663s	I'm going to talk about what prompted
3665s	the entire presentation that I'm giving
3667s	it's a question that I've been pondering
3668s	and chat with a lot of people over the
3670s	past couple of years um I'm going to
3673s	talk about how I gathered all the data
3675s	that you're going to see used in the
3677s	presentation that we're talking about so
3679s	when I say correlations or interviews uh
3683s	where you know that came from cuz only
3685s	made up some of this
3687s	stuff uh and then I'm going to talk
3689s	about what we found so you know the meat
3691s	of the presentation is I spent a lot of
3693s	time talking I wrote surveys I did
3696s	interviews uh I used some personal
3698s	experience but what did we find what is
3701s	it that you might want to care about
3703s	what are some things I want you to think
3705s	about what are some things that you're
3706s	going to go
3708s	huh so um about me um if you are
3713s	unfamiliar with me my name is ex suuki Z
3715s	I've been playing uh E online since 2009
3719s	I joined right after Apocrypha came out
3722s	which is why I also spent more than the
3725s	first decade of my time in Eve online
3726s	doing wormholes so if you're thinking
3728s	that guy looks familiar I'm frequently
3730s	up on the FanFest stage talking about
3732s	Wormhole space but not this time I'm
3734s	instead telling you about how Eve's
3736s	making you a better person um I'm the
3739s	CEO of TD sin and have been for 14 years
3743s	um another name that you've probably at
3745s	least heard of before we're not very
3747s	good but that does mean that no matter
3748s	how bad we are you've heard of us and uh
3751s	while I'm here I wanted to just briefly
3753s	touch on for everybody uh we have a lot
3755s	of fans that talk about us on Discord
3758s	servers and talk about us on Reddit um
3760s	that is an S uh I frequently see people
3763s	uh misspelling our name with a b um it's
3766s	an S though just making sure that you
3768s	guys all know that I know that the keys
3770s	can be tricky um I'm also the alliance
3773s	leader of scary Wormhole people AKA
3775s	waboo um you've probably heard some of
3779s	my court mates shouting our ticker
3780s	around and it's gone oh it's back um and
3785s	you might have seen our pretty dope logo
3787s	so that's up there too um I was also a
3790s	member of
3791s	csm4 um I'm going to touch on it in in
3793s	another slide or two but that's actually
3795s	one of the places that prompted a lot of
3798s	this um I've met a lot of really cool
3801s	people playing Eve in general as well as
3803s	my time on the Cs M and that got me
3806s	thinking into a bunch of things that led
3808s	to the presentation um outside of Eve
3811s	and some of the personal experience that
3813s	I'll be touching on or you know what I
3815s	said I think this actually helped uh I'm
3818s	a director of software engineering
3820s	outside of Eve um I've had a very
3823s	fortunate career to move up several
3825s	levels quickly in software engineering
3827s	management and I attribute a good chunk
3828s	of that success to things that I've
3831s	learned and gotten to experience through
3833s	Eve so moving right
3837s	along um the question that started all
3840s	of this so when I was on csm4 in 20
3844s	March of 2020 a month and date year that
3848s	uh probably some people have
3850s	some icky feelings about cuz that was
3854s	basically the start of the pandemic me
3856s	and a bunch of uh csm4 found ourselves
3859s	at the old CCP office way down closer to
3861s	the docks um watching Co start to unfold
3865s	actually it was that critical week where
3868s	you might remember Co was a thing in
3871s	China and it was starting to be a thing
3873s	in Italy and it was kind of popping up
3875s	everywhere and by the end of our
3877s	week-long Summit here we were flying
3879s	back watching closures and international
3881s	borders getting zipped up so they sent
3883s	us home just in time I think the United
3885s	States closed their International
3887s	borders like two days after we got back
3889s	from the CSM Summit but one of the
3893s	things that happens at the CSM Summits
3895s	is you know we have a meeting with a
3896s	bunch of a lot of devs that happens
3899s	constantly there was one in particular
3901s	in which Hillmar came in down and sat
3903s	and sat down and looked around the room
3905s	and just said I am in a room full of
3908s	superhumans now first thought when that
3911s	happened was I looked around and said
3913s	that's a weird thing to say um I mean
3917s	sure uh I wouldn't consider myself a
3919s	superhuman I would consider some of the
3922s	other CSM superhumans and certainly some
3924s	of the more csms that I've gotten to
3926s	meet since my time on on the on the
3928s	management Council some of them are
3930s	definitely superhumans um but it
3933s	prompted that thought what did Hilmar
3935s	mean was he right um and I began to
3940s	think on it one of the things that uh
3943s	you know as you get to know the rest of
3944s	your CSM and you get to talk more and
3946s	more I realized that a lot of the csms
3949s	on CSM 14 were they were pretty powerful
3953s	people um we had you know we had
3956s	corporate Executives we had phds we had
3958s	a doctor we had people that are leaders
3961s	and movers and shakers in their career
3963s	field and from my experience chatting
3965s	with a lot of other csms besides 14
3968s	that's not uncommon and then you begin
3971s	to dig and talk to a lot of other people
3973s	that are leaders in Eve themselves they
3975s	FC's they're Alliance leaders they Corp
3977s	leaders of some of the both smallest and
3979s	largest corporations and you start to
3982s	see some patterns now the question that
3985s	I first started with was how much of
3989s	each thing is inter is impacting the
3990s	other I don't think anyone would be
3992s	surprised if I said someone that's an
3994s	executive or a leader outside of Eve is
3997s	likely to come into Eve and be a leader
3999s	there
3999s	too that's less interesting and we're
4002s	not going to focus on that because I'm
4004s	far more concerned with the reverse I
4006s	wanted to find out how many people
4009s	played Eve learned some things and then
4011s	carried that back to their career where
4013s	they didn't have that that first so the
4016s	questions we're going to dive into are
4017s	how can things that you do in Eve help
4019s	you outside of it what are those skills
4022s	how do they help um we're going to try
4025s	to so the goal of my presentation here
4027s	really is to try to give you some
4028s	answers to that question I tried to
4030s	build a presentation that would be
4032s	helpful and insightful to as many people
4035s	as possible because your mileage may
4038s	vary I'm not getting up here and saying
4040s	do these things you'll get promoted do
4042s	these things and you'll get a cool new
4045s	job but I think what we are going to
4048s	talk about is do these things in Eve and
4050s	you're probably learning stuff I don't
4053s	want to ruin Eve for everybody because
4055s	if you suddenly realize that you're
4057s	learning things that might make it way
4059s	less fun um but the bad news is you
4063s	probably already are maybe whether you
4065s	knew it or not you've learned something
4067s	from logging in and doing things in Eve
4069s	and you've probably picked up some
4070s	skills and you might just be a better
4072s	person whether you want to admit it or
4075s	not um so we're going to focus and talk
4078s	about what are some of those skills what
4080s	are the ways that you can learn them and
4082s	maybe you already are and how those
4085s	skills might in fact just be something
4086s	that you can
4089s	leverage so everything that we're going
4091s	to talk about here today comes from
4093s	three main places um I use the basis of
4097s	my own personal experience and career of
4099s	course as a foundation for figuring out
4101s	where I wanted to poke into talk to
4103s	people what are the questions I wanted
4105s	to specifically find answers for um I
4108s	interviewed a lot of other eve players
4111s	uh I conducted well over 70 different
4113s	interviews some very formal some less
4116s	formal with people all over different
4119s	organizations every part of space you
4121s	can think of every block corporations I
4125s	went all over the place trying to get a
4126s	nice varied background of different
4129s	people I talk to doctors I talk to
4131s	Engineers I talk to truck drivers I I
4134s	talk to people that repair medical
4136s	robots there you go pelp uh I talk to
4140s	people that uh you know work in retail I
4143s	talk to people that are chefs I talk to
4145s	people that are bartenders we tried to
4147s	go everywhere because my goal is to tell
4150s	is to convince you that no matter what
4151s	you actually do outside of Eve you are
4153s	learning things that are probably
4155s	helpful I had a survey um if you took it
4159s	thank you very much we got several
4161s	hundreds of people to come take a
4164s	admittedly little lengthy survey about
4167s	what do you do outside of Eve what do
4169s	you do in Eve tell me about both of
4171s	those things answer I got feedback too
4174s	many questions about some different
4176s	skills do you think you learned
4177s	something do you think it came back and
4180s	helped you in other places but that also
4182s	helped me provide a guide on people I
4185s	wanted to talk to and the great news is
4187s	I found overwhelming support suggesting
4190s	that the answer is yes almost everyone
4193s	that took my survey said in some way
4195s	they' learned something that they think
4197s	they were able to bring back to their
4199s	job sometimes it helped immensely
4202s	sometimes they they thought it helped a
4203s	little but everybody said they learned
4206s	something so what I did with all of that
4210s	is we tried to look and I to I tried to
4213s	tailor it and correlate it to a list
4215s	that might make sense outside of Eve um
4218s	so I went to the Forbes
4220s	2023 most in demand skill Workforce
4223s	survey
4225s	which is intended to be Universal
4227s	regardless of who you are where you are
4229s	and what you're doing or where you work
4231s	these are skills that you're going to
4232s	find
4233s	helpful um those skills are
4236s	communication
4238s	leadership teamwork creativity time
4241s	management adaptability problem solving
4245s	work ethic critical thinking conflict
4249s	management and emotional
4251s	intelligence so we've got a pretty cool
4253s	list here here um I'm going to hope and
4256s	assume that most people know what most
4258s	of those words are because reading you
4260s	the wiki definition of every single one
4262s	would be timec consuming and probably
4264s	rather boring although the one thing I
4267s	did want to touch on simply because when
4269s	I first started this initial feedback I
4271s	got was emotional
4274s	intelligence we're Eve players you know
4278s	um you might your first thought when
4280s	you're thinking about Eve players might
4281s	not be emotional intelligence but I can
4283s	assure you that when I asked them about
4286s	it I was able to get several people go
4288s	you know what I do care a little bit
4290s	about other people or you know what I do
4294s	know how to pretend that I care about
4295s	other people just a little bit so Eve
4299s	players can get those done
4301s	too now basing it off of my survey the
4305s	roles that we're going to touch on and I
4307s	looked at by far not an all-inclusive
4310s	list broke down into four main
4313s	categories um we have leadership roles
4316s	your CEO your director depending on the
4319s	size and way that your group is
4320s	organized you might have officers or a
4322s	layer of middle management we looked at
4325s	industry and Logistics which I defined
4327s	mostly as people that are building
4329s	things and moving them around this
4331s	Logistics is specifically the moving it
4333s	around part and not uh repping other
4337s	ships that's also useful but probably
4339s	less likely to directly correlate um
4342s	because running around your work place
4344s	trying to heal people might be
4347s	strange um that was so and this is not
4351s	all the roles that we looked at and
4352s	talked about in my survey but for the
4354s	sake of time and not having a million
4356s	slides I condensed it into the ones that
4359s	had stronger correlations and I thought
4361s	were going to be make the most sense but
4363s	also be a little easier to explain um so
4367s	we touched on people that work in Solo
4369s	industry people that worked with lots of
4371s	other people working on Supply Chain man
4373s	management material coordination Market
4377s	managers people that run buyback
4380s	programs um the third category is people
4383s	management there's of course the
4386s	possibility for significant overlap
4388s	between all of these but whether it's
4391s	the same person doing half the things on
4392s	this list for your organization or a
4395s	small army may decide depend on the size
4398s	as well as how you've organized yourself
4400s	these are roles and functions that are
4402s	focused purely on people these are your
4405s	recruiters and people that talk to
4407s	people review applications these are
4409s	people that work in onboarding these are
4411s	people that track your membership are
4414s	they active are they doing enough are
4417s	they clicking their Pap links and these
4419s	are people that do culture fit
4420s	assessments are these the right people
4422s	for our Corporation do I want to be
4424s	flying with these people do I want to
4426s	throw them out a
4429s	window um and then probably the category
4431s	that most of you actually first thought
4433s	about I called it operations these are
4436s	your Fleet commanders these are people
4438s	that are helping run rolles supporting
4439s	the fleet commander making the fleet
4441s	successful these are people that plan
4443s	The Fleets might be the FC doing
4446s	literally all these things but sometimes
4448s	these are different people or at the
4449s	very least their different skills um and
4451s	then you have your theory Crafters
4453s	you've got your people that are figuring
4455s	out what are we doing how are we going
4456s	to do it which of these modules goes on
4459s	my ship there's people that know enough
4461s	to shout at your bad Court members when
4463s	they die and ones that are fit terribly
4465s	terribly
4467s	wrong so the first grip that we're going
4469s	to look at and for some of those I'm
4471s	going to have a slide that grabs just
4472s	one and for some of them I'm going to
4474s	have a slide that tries to condense it
4476s	all depending on what the results looked
4477s	like now what we found talking both
4480s	talking to people as well as from the
4482s	survey results was regardless of what
4485s	level you're operating at as a leader in
4488s	your group chances are you're learning
4490s	the same skills the exact degrees some
4493s	lean a little heavier and others did
4495s	vary but not enough to be worth
4497s	splitting this up so whether we're
4499s	looking at CEOs we're looking at
4501s	officers or we're looking at
4503s	directors these are people that are
4505s	responsible for setting the goals and
4507s	directions of your corporation and
4509s	utilizing delegation and collaboration
4512s	they're going to try to make those
4514s	things
4515s	happen um these people had the strongest
4518s	likelihood of saying that they felt that
4520s	they had learned and or improved on
4523s	their leadership skills their work ethic
4526s	their problem solving skills and their
4528s	communication
4530s	skills probably not a huge surprise
4532s	especially the first one if anyone's
4534s	shocked that CEOs said I learned
4536s	leadership skills I've got tons of
4538s	surprises for you in my presentation
4540s	then if that one surprises you um but I
4544s	also have a quote from someone that uh
4547s	indicated that this is something they
4548s	would Define themselves on for each of
4550s	these slides we're going to touch on
4552s	what the roles were
4554s	um how I defined them the skills that
4557s	they correlated with and then I've got a
4559s	quote that uh some people saying that
4561s	they're actually really getting
4562s	something done so for the for the PE for
4566s	uh I believe this was a CEO uh Eve
4568s	helped me trust myself and my skills
4572s	enough to start my own business when I
4574s	look at what I've been able to deal with
4576s	in Eve the problems of my job seem like
4579s	nothing I actually really like this
4581s	quote I like all the quotes that's why I
4583s	chose them
4584s	but uh depending on what you do in Eve
4587s	you might actually have def defined your
4589s	time in Eve as your second job before
4592s	show a hands who else has ever thought
4594s	that what they do in Eve is a second job
4596s	all right that's a good chunk of the
4598s	audience so you guys are doing great
4601s	keep it up but
4603s	uh Eve can be hard Eve can be very hard
4608s	people in Eve can be very hard uh I'm
4611s	not going to keep asking everyone to
4612s	raise their hands up and down a couple
4614s	of you made faces that you already said
4615s	I hate this don't call me again but uh I
4619s	think I've had more difficult people to
4621s	work with in Eve than I have in my
4624s	workplace which is probably a blessing
4626s	there's certainly people that can say oh
4628s	that is not true for where I work and
4630s	I'm sorry for you um but that's true for
4634s	definitely some of my experiences in Eve
4636s	there are
4637s	some rough individuals that play Eve we
4640s	might love them but they're rough um so
4644s	being able to do things in Eve hopefully
4647s	helps you know recognize you can
4649s	probably do a lot of that in real life
4651s	it might be different but if you can
4654s	Corral a bunch of people and say guys
4656s	this is what we're doing over the next
4658s	couple of months and then work with them
4659s	to get that done chances are you could
4662s	do that outside of Eve too you might not
4665s	want to especially if you have to like
4667s	sit near people and smell them and
4669s	things but if you're here at FanFest
4671s	you're already smelling people so you
4675s	can do
4676s	it um rolling into our next category
4680s	we're going to have a couple slides on
4681s	some industry and logistic roles um the
4684s	first one that I wanted to start off
4686s	with um that actually surprised me a
4688s	little bit but only in until you start
4690s	thinking about it was people that do
4692s	industry by themselves um if you're here
4695s	at FanFest there's a good chance that
4698s	you're not a solo player there certainly
4700s	could be some out there but most people
4701s	that make it to FanFest are usually
4703s	people here with groups so this may or
4705s	may not apply to you or maybe you're in
4707s	a group but you don't like those guys so
4710s	they don't get to touch your minerals
4711s	and you're building all your stuff by
4714s	yourself um you know where's the
4716s	tritanium just makes collaborating with
4718s	people very challenging sometimes but
4721s	people that are Solo industry players
4724s	they're tackling potentially complex
4726s	jobs um that might include a lot of
4728s	steps um that might have prerequisites
4731s	and they're usually doing this by
4733s	themselves
4734s	so these people through my interviews
4736s	and discussions identified strongly with
4739s	time management skills critical thinking
4742s	adaptability and problem solving these
4745s	are people that need to know how to line
4747s	things up to be efficient they need to
4749s	be able to figure out how to adapt on
4751s	the Fly because they don't have someone
4753s	else to go lean on and get some of this
4754s	done for them it's you the buck stops
4757s	with you if your reactions aren't done
4759s	on time that next job's going to sit and
4762s	wait um
4763s	skills I made doing industry helped me
4766s	set up ordering of medical supp supplies
4769s	and equipment ensuring deadlines and
4771s	bottlenecks are met as far as material
4774s	and fiscal inputs are
4777s	concerned I thought that was actually a
4779s	pretty cool quote I talked to someone
4780s	that basically talked about how they
4784s	applied their Eve industry experience to
4787s	organizing and getting things done
4790s	um lots of people had feedback Sim
4793s	similar to this um there's a lot of
4796s	things in in real life that can be
4799s	thought of as put a bunch of things
4800s	together let them do some things for a
4802s	little while get something out not
4804s	everything can be baked down that far
4806s	and I would strongly advise against in
4808s	your head applying the eve industry UI
4810s	to everything that you do but you could
4813s	if you really
4814s	wanted um but people that did this and
4817s	did industry by themselves were able to
4819s	really learn and grow in a lot of
4821s	different ways cuz you've got to figure
4823s	it all out and then get started and I'm
4826s	sure a lot of you would probably raise
4828s	your hand that that is a definition of
4830s	something you've done at your job is
4831s	figure it all out and get it
4834s	started um bouncing to another type of
4837s	industry and Logistics we've got Supply
4839s	Chain management and Market management
4841s	so these are people that are working
4843s	with other people they're building
4845s	capitals while someone else takes care
4847s	of some of the components maybe they're
4849s	doing reactions uh and doing reaction
4852s	chains where other people are handling
4854s	different steps of that process these
4856s	are people that are moving stuff from
4857s	point A to point B these are people that
4859s	are stocking your Market they're getting
4861s	stuff up on contracts they're making
4863s	sure that you guys have what you need um
4867s	primary skills that these people
4869s	strongly correlated with were
4871s	communication and teamwork not a
4873s	surprise since these are people that are
4874s	working with other people conflict
4876s	management and problem solving and if
4879s	you're wondering why Conflict Management
4881s	cuz I actually was too and came up on
4883s	the survey and I chatted with several
4886s	people figuring out what everybody wants
4888s	to do and then making sure that they're
4891s	not all doing the same thing can can
4894s	apparently be rather challenging if
4896s	you've got several people that are
4898s	helping stock your Market first off
4901s	great the fact that it's more than one
4902s	we're off to a fantastic start but it
4905s	doesn't do you any good if they're all
4907s	stalking the same thing because now
4910s	you've got five people undercutting each
4912s	other trying to to make sure that
4913s	they're the ones selling things and
4915s	you've probably underserved your
4917s	community because all the other crap
4919s	that you need is not stocked um so the
4923s	reason that a lot of those people chose
4924s	conflict management was really bunch of
4926s	people getting into a room or a channel
4929s	and or voice coms and saying I want to
4931s	do this figuring out someone's got to do
4934s	something they don't want to do there's
4935s	compromise there's resolution of some
4938s	conflict and there is hopefully an
4940s	outcome where your group your Market
4943s	your whatever it is your stock and gets
4945s	what you
4946s	need um working with industry that
4949s	requires multiple people requires
4951s	patience and an understanding of
4953s	people's capabilities and limits big
4956s	things require coordination and working
4958s	with people and the same is true of
4961s	almost all careers so if you've ever
4964s	found yourself trying to figure out how
4965s	to get a bunch of people that together
4968s	have all the right skills to get a job
4970s	done and you've managed to get it done
4974s	that's great and that also is pretty
4977s	agnostic of what you actually do for a
4979s	living um if your experiences in school
4982s	with group projects were that they're
4984s	terrible and you hate people because of
4985s	it this is a good way to try to undo
4988s	some of that uh PTSD because most things
4992s	in life require collaboration and
4994s	working with other people whether you
4996s	want it to or not as much as you want
4998s	everything to be a solo Venture chances
5000s	are that will not always be the case
5004s	rolling into our third category and
5006s	talking about some people management
5007s	roles um the first slide I've got here
5009s	talks about cultural fit assessments and
5012s	people that work in onboarding um
5014s	cultural fit assessments we defined as
5016s	the person whose job it is to feel out
5019s	somebody and decide if they're a good or
5021s	a bad apple this may or may not be the
5024s	people doing all the other things
5026s	related to interviewing but it is a
5028s	distinct step I thought because looking
5030s	at someone's skills and actually talk
5032s	talking to them are two very different
5035s	things likewise people that identified
5038s	as on boarders had a nearly identical
5040s	identical skill profile so that's why
5042s	they're together here on the
5044s	slide um if your group doesn't do
5047s	onboarding I would strongly advise
5049s	trying to do onboarding um we've had
5052s	other presentations at prior FanFest for
5054s	sure from different groups talking about
5056s	their onboarding programs but making
5058s	sure that new people that join have what
5061s	they need know what they need and
5063s	nowhere to go to ask questions generally
5065s	has a pretty strong correlation with uh
5068s	likelihood of longer term membership and
5070s	smooth integration into your crew people
5073s	working in these roles strongly
5075s	identified with critical thinking work
5078s	ethic emotional intelligence told you it
5080s	would come up and conflict
5083s	resolution um mostly the cultural fit
5087s	assessment I thought but on boarders
5089s	also had it too when you're trying to
5091s	work with someone first trying to figure
5094s	out do I want to fly with this person at
5097s	all and then all right we got to fly
5100s	with them how do I make sure they don't
5103s	suck um you end up talking to them it
5106s	requires figuring out what do they want
5108s	what do they need and resonating that to
5112s	match what you want and what you need or
5114s	rather your group wants and your group
5115s	needs closing that Gap and being able to
5119s	get everyone onto the same page is the
5121s	main reason that we have Emo
5123s	intelligence up
5124s	here um working and assessing fit into
5127s	an organization helped me understand
5130s	that often times the best way to solve a
5132s	problem is to avoid having it in the
5133s	first place that's a good quote of
5136s	virtually everything but in the context
5138s	of this slide that was specifically
5140s	raised to me as far as keeping bad
5142s	apples out of a
5143s	corporation um I suspect this is a
5147s	lesson that many different groups and
5148s	leaders and organizations and Eve have
5151s	tried have had to learn prob probably
5153s	the hard way at least once uh toxic
5156s	people are bad and you might say but I
5159s	need more people you never need people
5162s	enough that you should be tolerating
5164s	people that are bad um the damage that
5167s	can be caused internally by someone that
5169s	is negative hard to deal with and makes
5172s	other people want to literally not play
5175s	with you might mean that when you take a
5177s	step back you realize you're literally
5178s	at a net negative for letting this
5180s	person be in your Fleet um and
5183s	recognizing that before they're in your
5186s	group can be important and that was what
5188s	this quote was specifically talking
5190s	about but hopefully a lesson that you
5191s	can learn both in even if you're in a
5194s	position to ever be doing so I'd advise
5197s	about I'd advise about keeping uh bad
5199s	people out of your real life
5201s	organizations as well cuz it's rarely
5204s	ever worth that uh worth that
5208s	gamble um so we've got people management
5211s	working with uh recruiters and
5212s	application so these are the people that
5214s	are going to sit there and go you don't
5216s	get to fly with us um these are Talent
5219s	acquisition these people that work on
5222s	finding recruits rather that's spamming
5224s	in local chat posting on Reddit using
5227s	the in-game recruiting function you're
5230s	finding people that want to join your
5231s	group and then you're talking to them
5233s	making sure they know what you're about
5235s	figuring out if they want to come join
5238s	you and then you'll interview them and
5240s	review their application all depending
5242s	on what your group does how strict your
5244s	requirements are the bar could be way up
5247s	here or maybe if they can breathe
5249s	they're joining your Corp and most
5251s	groups in E somewhere in between there
5254s	um we can probably all think of groups
5256s	on both ends of that Spectrum most Corps
5258s	are definitely somewhere in the middle
5261s	um but uh you know that's that's a very
5264s	real thing and the people that do this
5266s	in Eve generally had strong critical
5269s	thinking skills strong work ethic skills
5272s	again emotional intelligence because
5274s	their work here relies immensely on just
5277s	understanding other people's wants and
5279s	needs and expressing their own and
5281s	communication because they're spending a
5283s	lot of time talking to people um work
5286s	ethic uh I wanted to just touch on the
5289s	reason we have work ethic up here is a
5291s	lot of them said well recruiting is a
5293s	lot of work maybe you have deadlines or
5296s	targets we want to recruit X number of
5298s	people maybe you have a lot of people
5300s	applying to your corporation and the
5302s	people that you've got to review and
5304s	talk to are piling up these are people
5307s	that just generally speaking said they
5309s	know how to buckle down and get stuff
5311s	done um and they know how to
5313s	consistently do that to try to keep
5315s	everything
5317s	moving um one of the I think only quotes
5320s	that I actually have a name attached to
5323s	it um either people left me useful
5325s	quotes but didn't give me contact
5327s	information wishing to remain anonymous
5329s	on my survey or in my interviews would
5332s	say you can quote me but leave my name
5334s	off that slide um I don't know if they
5336s	were worried they just didn't want to be
5338s	associated with me um but I did get a
5342s	couple people that said they didn't want
5343s	their name up here so uh I actually use
5347s	these skills in real life to hire
5349s	support staff and even help with
5351s	selection of Physicians and other
5353s	critical clinical support roles um I
5356s	don't know if they're here I asked one
5358s	of the wingspan guys and he said he
5360s	didn't know but this quote is from Nikki
5362s	kala um who works in HR for
5365s	wingspan
5366s	um another one of my surprises that's
5370s	probably not a surprise Eve's a great
5373s	place to just hone and practice and
5375s	leverage some of those skills that you
5377s	may or may not be using outside but it's
5380s	a place where you get to sit down on a
5382s	table and interview people or talk to
5384s	people and find out if you like them if
5386s	they like you um I don't have a quote
5390s	here but I can tell you at least five of
5391s	the people I spoke to specifically
5393s	mentioned that they felt like
5395s	interviewing people in Eve made them
5397s	better at interviewing in real life on
5399s	both sides of the table because you're
5402s	in a you you're sitting down and talking
5403s	to someone and just figuring out I want
5407s	I want a job here I want to fly with
5409s	these guys or I'm figuring out if I want
5411s	them to Fly With Me Maybe the word is
5415s	not fly but you do that a bunch in your
5417s	job probably especially if you work in
5420s	any sort of hiring manager roles or team
5422s	lead roles where you're trying to figure
5424s	out people that you want on your team or
5426s	you want on your
5428s	company rolling into the last category
5432s	that I had for rle set up and starting
5434s	right off with probably the role that
5436s	I'm not sure which one's higher CEO or
5439s	fleet commander probably the other role
5441s	that everyone immediately thought to uh
5444s	when I said rolles in Eve the fleet
5446s	commander I'll also note um this is the
5449s	only slide where I have five skills
5452s	attributed to it because Fleet
5453s	commanders had such strong correlations
5456s	across the board with a lot of roles
5458s	that it was challenging to pick just for
5462s	um cuz I I think I did mention it but
5464s	these are not the only skills these
5466s	roles help you with they're just the
5468s	strongest cuz telling you that every
5470s	skill or every role helps with every
5472s	skill would be terribly unhelpful um but
5476s	the definition of fleet commander that
5478s	we use is these are the people that are
5479s	responsible for calling out actions
5482s	directing and driving groups of people
5483s	towards a common goal and that goal
5486s	might sometimes be complex I'm sure if
5488s	everyone just closes their eyes for a
5490s	moment they can hear their fleet
5492s	commander shouting at them to jump or
5495s	not jump or wondering who jumped or
5497s	asking why' someone already shoot the
5499s	target and now we need to unlock and
5500s	move to another one
5503s	um it's every Fleet I heard several
5505s	Giggles like it's not just my corp's not
5508s	the only one that's bad at PVP you I
5510s	don't believe you if you try to tell me
5511s	otherwise
5512s	um but Fleet commanders they do a lot um
5517s	they've got a lot of stress running on
5518s	them sometimes they've got a lot of
5520s	people sitting there patiently or
5522s	hopefully patiently actually paying
5524s	attention to when they get told what to
5526s	do and they need to do a lot of thinking
5528s	and they need to do it quickly so Fleet
5531s	commanders get five skills for critical
5534s	thinking adaptability creativity
5537s	leadership and
5539s	teamwork um Fleet commanders need to be
5541s	good at communicating too it was a close
5544s	Contender to be here cuz if your FC
5546s	can't communicate they're probably not
5548s	doing any fcing ever again um but they
5551s	need to be able to think quickly they
5553s	need to be able to make good decisions
5555s	and they need to be creative because
5557s	sometimes you go on in and you said this
5559s	is the plan and you take that Titan
5561s	bridge and you go oh one dcan lights up
5565s	with what the fleet is bringing and now
5567s	you need a whole new plan um they're
5569s	leaders and they work with teams so
5572s	probably the rest of those skills aren't
5574s	no well none of the skills are probably
5576s	surprises but Fleet commanders get an
5578s	awful lot of experience in a lot lot an
5581s	awful lot of different
5583s	places um my quote from n FC Fleet
5586s	commanding was how I learned to build
5588s	trust and reliability within my
5590s	teammates and these are skills that I've
5592s	successfully carried into managing
5594s	people outside of Eve it's not a quote
5596s	from me but I probably could have
5597s	written it cuz I would say something
5599s	very similar um I work with managing
5602s	people for a living I work on making
5604s	sure they have everything they need
5606s	giving them Direction Where needed and
5609s	there is immense strong overlap with
5611s	things I do both as a CEO and a fleet
5614s	commander I'm not our good fleet
5616s	commander though he's someone else
5620s	um next uh next up I've got Ops planning
5624s	very similar to Fleet commanders as far
5626s	as the uh roll breakdown goes but I did
5628s	want to call them out cuz they had at
5630s	least one uh they had a couple different
5632s	differences there and again Fleet
5634s	commanders had very strong correlation
5636s	across the board I could have put all 11
5639s	skills up there but it would have been
5641s	less helpful Ops planners are people
5644s	that may or may not be the FC but
5646s	they're helping figure out what we're
5647s	doing ahead of time this might be
5649s	planning just tonight's op this might be
5651s	planning the entire week when are we
5653s	hitting what when are we going to need
5654s	to follow up on timers they're heavily
5657s	involved with ensuring a group's
5659s	operations run on time and move and run
5663s	effectively they've got leadership just
5666s	like the FC's did they've got work ethic
5668s	they've got time management and they're
5670s	adaptable timing can be very important
5672s	when it comes to planning most plans at
5675s	least in Eve do have some semblance of
5677s	time to them but being able to figure
5679s	out how long are things going to take
5681s	how long is getting there going to take
5684s	and oh the Wormhole is gone now we need
5685s	a new plan and uh you know figuring out
5688s	how to adapt when your route has changed
5690s	twice because now your Titan's also dead
5693s	and you need to figure out how we're
5694s	getting there differently um planning
5697s	and helping execute operations helped me
5699s	build planning skills and learn
5701s	attention to detail I have been able to
5704s	directly translate those skills to
5706s	mapping out install jobs and ensuring
5708s	proper Staffing and resource allocations
5711s	so again I thought a pretty cool quote
5714s	um this person worked in um
5717s	construction and they in my conversation
5721s	with them they said that literally I've
5724s	taken figuring out how I'm going to
5726s	Glass this constellation of structures
5728s	and taken some of the skills I've
5730s	learned from that on moving all the P
5732s	pieces and parts around and actually
5734s	carried that back to my
5736s	job um we've got Theory crafting Theory
5740s	crafting is an interesting one um in
5742s	that I think your first thought might be
5746s	how does that apply to anything that's
5747s	not figuring out how to make
5750s	spaceships but then you think think on
5752s	it more and realize it actually starts
5753s	to make a lot of sense especially after
5756s	uh you know we we touch on the quote
5758s	maybe this applies more to some Fields
5760s	than than others but I got a lot of
5762s	people that talked about how that
5764s	overall Min maxing optimization mindset
5768s	was able to be applied everywhere these
5770s	are people that build your doctrines
5772s	they figure out how to fit your ships
5773s	they might yell at you when you don't
5775s	listen and fit your ship something
5776s	differently and they adjust to the game
5779s	changes both mechanics and the game meta
5781s	to ensure that whatever you're flying is
5783s	as efficient as possible keeping the
5785s	price in
5787s	mind these are critical thinkers they
5790s	they solve problems they're adaptive and
5792s	they're creative and figuring
5794s	out screen keeps dying on me there we go
5798s	figuring out how to minmax something and
5800s	find the perceived best solution to a
5804s	problem with hundreds of variables has
5807s	helped me tackle similarly complicated
5809s	things in my engineering career probably
5811s	no big surprise to someone that uh
5814s	engineering was where this quote came
5816s	from but being able to just take a
5819s	couple steps back and look at the big
5821s	picture with all the different parts
5824s	changes things that need to happen and
5826s	figuring out how to navigate through
5828s	that is not unique to Eve it's not
5830s	unique to Eve it's not unique to just
5832s	ship fittings um and I strongly believe
5834s	that if you learn some of those skills
5836s	and work and just what is the best way
5838s	to put all these pieces together it's
5841s	going to work
5844s	um that is a real ship fit that I have
5847s	uh seen used by someone in my alliance
5849s	in case you're wondering where that came
5852s	from um not on the list from Forbes but
5856s	something I wanted to touch on was hard
5858s	skills um the hard skills that we
5860s	specifically peaked at was data
5863s	collection analysis statistics um I got
5866s	a lot of people saying that they' picked
5868s	up these skills in Eve um the first
5871s	grouping Google Docs Microsoft Excel
5874s	Power by uh and other similar software
5877s	that does data entry and processing um a
5880s	lot of people we talked to actually said
5881s	one of the first places they really
5883s	really used those things was an eve um
5887s	and many of them now use them in their
5889s	job even if they didn't have to because
5893s	they are now addicted to spreadsheets
5895s	look what Eve has done to
5897s	us
5899s	um almost everybody said in some fashion
5902s	they used this but the roles that that
5903s	had the highest likelihood of saying yes
5905s	I used that for both my job and in my
5908s	Eve job uh literally every industry role
5911s	didn't matter what kind of industry you
5913s	were doing huge surprise if you're doing
5915s	industry without spreadsheets I'm
5917s	slightly concerned um operations
5920s	planners Theory crafters and people that
5922s	worked in onboarding if you're wondering
5924s	why onboarding is up there my
5926s	conversations with the people that
5927s	checked that box was they basically use
5930s	them to make checklists they use them to
5932s	track where people are at in their
5934s	different onboarding pipelines um and
5936s	they're using that to figure out who
5937s	needs what um likewise people that
5940s	learned and got involved in analyzing
5942s	data and learning
5944s	statistics um Theory Crafters Fleet
5948s	commanders Ops planning and people that
5951s	worked in again all industry roles were
5953s	likely to have gotten involved in
5954s	analyzing lots of data and making some
5957s	decisions based off of
5960s	Analytics
5962s	so
5964s	um what are uh per the Forbes list
5967s	there's our 11 I attached one quick end
5970s	toward there towards the end for the
5972s	hard skills what we've done now is we've
5975s	created a mapping of where am I most
5978s	likely to improve my time management
5981s	skills where am I most likely to be able
5983s	to work and do some things that might
5985s	help me learn and improve my creativity
5987s	or my leadership or my critical thinking
5990s	I'm not going to read this entire slide
5992s	of course but what we've got here is the
5994s	12 different skills that we touched on
5997s	along with what roles that I talked
5999s	about that had the strongest correlation
6002s	to them I of course will again note
6005s	basically almost every role that we
6008s	looked at had some people that said they
6010s	used XYZ skills in it if you're doing
6013s	anything in Eve there's a good chance
6015s	you're learning several of these so this
6017s	is not an exhaustive list or a
6019s	prescriptive list but rather this is
6021s	intended to come across as a guide that
6024s	says I do some of those things those are
6026s	the skills I'm learning and picking up
6029s	on um finally I wanted to just touch on
6033s	this with one slide just because uh it
6035s	came up enough from conversations that I
6037s	thought it would be silly not to touch
6039s	on um there was already another
6041s	presentation by Max Singularity this
6043s	weekend that talked about relationships
6045s	and friendships and networking and
6047s	things that you can build and grow and
6049s	learn through Eve um but two things that
6052s	stood out to me that I felt were
6053s	especially relevant to this conversation
6056s	was people that said that those have
6057s	helped them in their
6059s	career um just over one in five people
6063s	that we spoke to and took the survey
6065s	felt that relationships that they'
6067s	gained through Eve have actually helped
6069s	them Advance their career whether that
6071s	was helping them land a new job in the
6074s	same field in another company or just
6076s	saying hi yeah this is how I learned
6078s	these skills and got promoted here's how
6080s	you can do it too um these are not
6083s	direct quotes but rather paraphrasing of
6085s	combining lots of conversations on this
6088s	but meaning someone that was further
6090s	along in the same career as me helped me
6092s	find advancement opportunities
6094s	summarizes what all those people gave me
6096s	as feedback as well as uh people
6099s	actually changed career Fields because
6101s	of Eve um or rather because of people
6103s	they met in Eve um I've been thinking
6106s	about moving careers and finding someone
6108s	that already did that helped me decide
6110s	to make that jump if you're thinking I
6112s	want to know how to break into
6115s	X what's better than finding someone
6117s	that already does X so one in eight
6120s	people said that this has happened to
6121s	them through their time playing Eve um
6125s	133% uh not most maybe not tons but
6130s	given how many people we looked at I
6131s	thought it was relevant and interesting
6133s	enough to bring it
6135s	up so um that's wrapping up my
6139s	presentation we talked about me the
6142s	questions that started this um the goals
6144s	of the presentation hopefully everyone
6146s	feels like they learned something or at
6148s	least laughed once or twice at some of
6150s	my bad jokes um How We Gather the data
6153s	and then I drove in and talked about all
6155s	the different roles and skills and how
6158s	they all correlate together so um there
6162s	is not time for Q&A here we're not set
6165s	up for it in the main hall but if you
6167s	have questions comments feedback or want
6170s	to just
6171s	talk to me um I'm Zuki Z in game you can
6175s	cono me if I'm online you can shoot me a
6177s	mail you can find me as Zuki on Discord
6180s	and of course I will be around for the
6182s	rest of FanFest so always happy to talk
6184s	about this with anybody
6186s	else so thank you very much everyone I
6189s	hope that was a good use of your time
6192s	and enjoy the rest of
6194s	[Applause]
6200s	FanFest

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0s	exploring how the roles we undertake in
3s	new Eden can provide transferable skills
5s	into real life please welcome to the
8s	stage
20s	euki hello everybody hell how was
24s	FanFest
26s	going you got to ask when you get to be
28s	on the main stage right
31s	so um hello my name is Zuki Z and today
35s	we're going to be talking about real
37s	life skill training with Eve online so
40s	if you have been playing for a while or
43s	not a while and you're wondering what
45s	can I be doing in Eve that's going to
46s	actually help me outside of Eve we're
49s	going to try to answer that question
53s	today so um today what I'm going to run
56s	through for everybody I'm going to tell
58s	everybody a brief bit about myself Who I
61s	Am What I've Done in Eve maybe why you
63s	want to care just a little bit um I'm
65s	going to talk about what prompted the
67s	entire presentation that I'm giving it's
69s	a question that I've been pondering and
71s	chat with a lot of people over the past
73s	couple of years um I'm going to talk
76s	about how I gathered all the data that
78s	you're going to see used in the
80s	presentation that we're talking about so
82s	when I say correlations or interviews uh
85s	where you know that came from cuz I only
87s	made up some of this stuff
90s	uh and then I'm going to talk about what
92s	we found so you know the meat of the
94s	presentation is I spent a lot of time
96s	talking I wrote surveys I did interviews
99s	uh I used some personal experience but
102s	what did we find what is it that you
105s	might want to care about what are some
106s	things I want you to think about what
107s	are some things that you're going to go
110s	huh so um about me um if you are
115s	unfamiliar with me my name is iuki z
118s	I've been playing uh Eve online since
121s	2009 I joined right after Apocrypha came
124s	out which is why I also spent more than
127s	the first decade of my time in Eve
129s	online doing wormholes so if you're
130s	thinking that guy looks familiar I'm
132s	frequently up on the FanFest stage
134s	talking about Wormhole space but not
136s	this time I'm instead telling you about
138s	how Eve's making you a better person um
141s	I'm the CEO of TD sin uh and have been
144s	for 14 years um another name that you've
147s	probably at least heard of before we're
149s	not very good but that does mean that no
151s	matter how bad we are you've heard of us
153s	and uh while I'm here I wanted to just
155s	briefly touch on for everybody uh we
157s	have a lot of fans that talk about us on
160s	Discord servers and talk about us on
162s	Reddit um that is an S uh I frequently
165s	see people uh misspelling our name with
167s	a b um it's an S though just making sure
170s	that you guys all know that I know that
172s	the keys can be tricky um I'm also the
175s	alliance leader of scary Wormhole people
177s	AKA waboo um you probably heard some of
181s	my court mates shouting our ticker
183s	around and O it's gone oh it's back um
187s	and you might have seen our pretty dope
189s	logo so that's up there too um I was
192s	also a member of
193s	csm4 um I'm going to touch on it in a in
196s	another slide or two but that's actually
197s	one of the places that prompted a lot of
200s	this um I've met a lot of really cool
203s	people playing even General as well as
205s	my time on the CSM and that got me
209s	thinking into a bunch of things that led
211s	to the presentation um outside of Eve
214s	and some of the personal experience that
216s	I'll be touching on or you know what I
218s	said I think this actually helped uh I'm
220s	a director of software engineering
222s	outside of Eve um I've had a very
225s	fortunate career to move up several
227s	levels quickly in software engineering
229s	management and I attribute a good chunk
231s	of that success to things that I've
233s	learned and gotten to experience through
235s	Eve so moving right
239s	along
241s	um the question that started all of this
243s	so when I was on
245s	csm4 in 20 March of 20120 a month and
249s	date year that uh probably some people
252s	have
253s	some icky feelings about cuz that was
256s	basically the start of the pandemic me
258s	and a bunch of uh csm4 found ourselves
261s	at the old CCP office way down closer to
264s	the docks um watching Co start to unfold
267s	actually it was that critical week
270s	where you might remember Co was a thing
273s	in China and it was starting to be a
275s	thing in Italy and it was kind of
277s	popping up everywhere and by the end of
279s	our week-long Summit here we were flying
281s	back watching closures and international
283s	borders getting zipped up so they sent
286s	us home just in time I think the United
288s	States closed their International
289s	borders like two days after we got back
292s	from the CSM Summit but one of the
296s	things that happens at the CSM Summits
298s	is you know we have a meeting with a
299s	bunch of a lot of devs that happens
301s	constantly there was one in particular
304s	in which Hillmar came in down and sat
306s	and sat down and looked around the room
307s	and just said I am in a room full of
311s	superhumans now first thought when that
313s	happened was I looked around and said
315s	that's a weird thing to say um I mean
319s	sure uh I wouldn't consider myself a
322s	superhuman I would consider some of the
324s	other CSM superhumans and certainly some
327s	of the more csms that I've gotten to
328s	meet since my time on
330s	on the on the management Council some of
332s	them are definitely superhumans um but
336s	it prompted that thought what did
337s	Hillmar mean was he right um and I began
342s	to think on it one of the things that uh
345s	you know as you get to know the rest of
346s	your CSM and you get to talk more and
348s	more I realized that a lot of the csms
352s	on CSM 14 were they were pretty powerful
356s	people um we had you know we had
358s	corporate executives we had phds we had
361s	a doctor we had people that are leaders
363s	and movers and shakers in their career
365s	field and for my experience chatting
367s	with a lot of other csms besides 14
371s	that's not uncommon and then you begin
373s	to dig and talk to a lot of other people
375s	that are leaders in Eve themselves their
377s	FC's they Alliance leaders they Corp
380s	leaders of some of the both smallest and
382s	largest corporations and you start to
384s	see some patterns now the question that
388s	I first started with was is how much of
391s	each thing is is impacting the other I
394s	don't think anyone would be surprised if
396s	I said someone that's an executive or a
398s	leader outside of Eve is likely to come
400s	into Eve and be a leader there
402s	too that's less interesting and we're
404s	not going to focus on that because I'm
406s	far more concerned with the reverse I
409s	wanted to find out how many people
411s	played Eve learned some things and then
414s	carried that back to their career where
416s	they didn't have that first so the
418s	questions we're going to dive into or
420s	how can things that you do in Eve help
422s	you outside of it what are those skills
424s	how do they help um we're going to try
428s	to so the goal of my presentation here
429s	really is to try to give you some
431s	answers to that question I tried to
433s	build a presentation that would be
434s	helpful and insightful to as many people
438s	as possible because your mileage may
440s	vary I'm not getting up here and saying
443s	do these things you'll get promoted do
445s	these things and you'll get a really
446s	cool new job but I think what we are
450s	going to talk about is do these things
452s	in Eve and you're probably learning
454s	stuff I don't want to ruin Eve for
457s	everybody because if you suddenly
458s	realize that you're learning things that
460s	might make it way less fun um but the
464s	bad news is you probably already are
467s	maybe whether you knew it or not you've
468s	learned something from logging in and
470s	doing things in Eve and you've probably
472s	picked up some skills and you might just
474s	be a better person whether you want to
476s	admit it or
477s	not um so we're going to focus and talk
480s	about what are some of those skills what
483s	are the ways that you can learn them and
484s	maybe you already are and how those
487s	skills might in fact just be something
489s	that you can
491s	leverage so everything that we're going
494s	to talk about here today comes from
496s	three main places um I use the basis of
499s	my own personal experience and career of
501s	course as a foundation for figuring out
503s	where I wanted to poke into talk to
505s	people what are the questions I wanted
507s	to specifically find answers for
510s	um I interviewed a lot of other eve
513s	players uh I conducted well over 70
516s	different interviews some very formal
518s	some less formal with people all over
521s	different organizations every part of
523s	space you can think of every block
526s	corporations I went all over the place
528s	trying to get a nice varied background
531s	of different people I talked to doctors
533s	I talk to Engineers I talk to truck
535s	drivers I talked to people that repair
538s	medical robots
540s	there you go pelp uh I talk to people
543s	that uh you know work in retail I talk
546s	to people that are chefs I talk to
547s	people that are bartenders we tried to
549s	go everywhere because my goal is to tell
552s	is to convince you that no matter what
554s	you actually do outside of Eve you are
556s	learning things that are probably
558s	helpful I had a survey um if you took it
561s	thank you very much we got several
563s	hundreds of people to come and take a
566s	admittedly little lengthy survey about
569s	what do you do outside of Eve what do
571s	you do in Eve tell me about both of
574s	those things answer I got feedback too
576s	many questions about some different
578s	skills do you think you learned
580s	something do you think it came back and
582s	helped you in other places but that also
584s	helped me provide a guide on people I
587s	wanted to talk to and the great news is
590s	I found overwhelming support suggesting
592s	that the answer is yes almost everyone
595s	that took my survey said in some way
598s	they'd learned something that they think
600s	they were able to bring back to their
601s	job sometimes it helped immensely
604s	sometimes they they thought it helped a
605s	little but everybody said they learned
609s	something so what I did with all of that
612s	is we tried to look and I to I tried to
615s	tailor it and correlate it to a list
618s	that might make sense outside of Eve um
621s	so I went to the Forbes
622s	2023 most in demand skill Workforce
626s	survey which is intended to be Universal
629s	regardless of who you are where you are
631s	and what you're doing or where you work
633s	these are skills that you're going to
635s	find
636s	helpful um those skills are
639s	communication
640s	leadership teamwork creativity time
644s	management adaptability problem solving
648s	work ethic critical thinking conflict
651s	management and emotional
653s	intelligence so we've got a pretty cool
656s	list here um I'm going to hope and
659s	assume that most people know what most
660s	of those words are because reading you
663s	the wiki definition of every single one
665s	would be timec consuming and probably
667s	rather boring although the one thing I
669s	did want to touch on simply because when
671s	I first started this initial feedback I
673s	got was emotional
677s	intelligence we're Eve players you know
680s	um you might your first thought when
682s	you're thinking about Eve players might
684s	not be emotional intelligence but I can
686s	assure you that when I asked them about
688s	it I was able to get several people go
691s	you know what I do care a little bit
693s	about other people or you know what I do
696s	know how to pretend that I care about
698s	other people just a little bit so Eve
701s	players can get those done
704s	too now basing it off of my survey the
707s	roles that we're going to touch on and I
709s	looked at by far not an all-inclusive
713s	list broke down into four main
715s	categories um we have leadership roles
718s	your CE CEO your director depending on
721s	the size and way that your group is
723s	organized you might have officers or a
725s	layer of middle management we looked at
727s	industry and Logistics which I defined
730s	mostly as people that are building
732s	things and moving them around this
733s	Logistics is specifically the moving it
736s	around part and not uh repping other
739s	ships that's also useful but probably
742s	less likely to directly correlate um
744s	because running around your workplace
746s	trying to heal people might be strange
751s	um that was so and this is not all the
754s	roles that we looked at and talked about
755s	in my survey but for the sake of time
757s	and not having a million slides I
760s	condensed it into the ones that had
762s	stronger correlations and I thought we
764s	going to be make the most sense but also
766s	be a little easier to explain um so we
770s	touched on people that work in Solo
772s	industry people that worked with lots of
774s	other people working on Supply Chain
776s	management material coordination Market
779s	Market managers people that run buyback
782s	programs um the third category is people
786s	management there's of course the
788s	possibility for significant overlap
790s	between all of these but whether it's
793s	the same person doing half the things on
795s	this list for your organization or a
797s	small army may decide depend on the size
800s	as well as how you've organized yourself
803s	these are roles and functions that are
805s	focused purely on people these are your
808s	recruiters and people that talk to
810s	people review applications these are
812s	people that work in onboarding these are
814s	people that track your membership are
816s	they active are they doing enough are
819s	they clicking their Pap links and these
821s	are people that do culture fit
823s	assessments are these the right people
824s	for our Corporation do I want to be
826s	flying with these people do I want to
829s	throw them out a
831s	window um and then probably the category
834s	that most of you actually first thought
835s	about I called it operations these are
838s	your Fleet commanders these are people
840s	that are helping run rolles supporting
842s	the fleet commander making the fleet
844s	successful these are people that plan
846s	The Fleets might be the FC doing
848s	literally all these things but sometimes
850s	these are different people or at the
852s	very least they're different skills um
854s	and then you have your theory Crafters
856s	you've got your people that are figuring
857s	out what are we doing how are we going
859s	to do it which of these modules goes on
861s	my ship there's people that know enough
864s	to shout at your bad Court members when
865s	they die in ones that are fit terribly
867s	terribly wrong
870s	so the first grip that we're going to
871s	look at and for some of those I'm going
873s	to have a slide that grabs just one and
875s	for some of them I'm going to have a
877s	slide that tries to condense it all
878s	depending on what the results looked
880s	like now what we found talking both
883s	talking to people as well as from the
884s	survey results was regardless of what
888s	level you're operating at as a leader in
890s	your group chances are you're learning
892s	the same skills the exact degrees some
895s	leaned a little heavier and others did
898s	vary but not enough to be worth
899s	splitting this up so whether we're
901s	looking at CEOs we're looking at
903s	officers or we're looking at
906s	directors these are people that are
908s	responsible for setting the goals and
909s	directions of your corporation and
912s	utilizing delegation and collaboration
915s	they're going to try to make those
916s	things
917s	happen um these people had the strongest
920s	likelihood of saying that they felt that
922s	they had learned and or improved on
925s	their leadership skills their work ethic
928s	their problem solving skills and their
930s	communication
932s	skills probably not a huge surprise
934s	especially the first one if anyone's
936s	shocked that CEOs said I learned
938s	leadership skills I've got tons of
941s	surprises for you in my presentation
942s	than if that one surprises you um but I
946s	also have a quote from someone that uh
949s	indicated that this is something they
951s	would Define themselves on for each of
952s	these slides we're going to touch on
955s	what the roles were um how I defined
958s	them the skills that they correlated
961s	with and then I've got a quote that uh
963s	some people saying that they're actually
964s	really getting something done so for the
967s	for the PE for uh I believe this was a
969s	CEO uh Eve helped me trust myself and my
973s	skills enough to start my own business
976s	when I look at what I've been able to
978s	deal with in Eve the problems of my job
981s	seem like nothing I actually really like
983s	this quote I like all the quotes that's
985s	why I chose them but uh depending on
988s	what do in Eve you might actually have
991s	def defined your time and Eve as your
993s	second job before show a hands who else
995s	has ever thought that what they doing
997s	Eve is a second job all right that's a
999s	good chunk of the audience so you guys
1002s	are doing great keep it up but
1006s	uh Eve can be hard Eve can be very hard
1010s	people in Eve can be very hard uh I'm
1013s	not going to keep asking everyone to
1015s	raise their hands up and down a couple
1016s	of you made faces that you already said
1018s	I hate this don't calling me again but
1020s	uh I think I've had more difficult
1023s	people to work with in Eve than I have
1026s	in my workplace which is probably a
1028s	blessing there's certainly people that
1030s	can say oh that is not true for where I
1032s	work and I'm sorry for you um but that's
1035s	true for definitely some of my
1037s	experiences in Eve there are
1039s	some rough individuals that play Eve we
1043s	might love them but they're rough um so
1046s	being able to do things in Eve hopefully
1049s	helps you know recognize you can
1051s	probably do a lot of that in real life
1053s	it might be different but if you can
1057s	Corral a bunch of people and say guys
1059s	this is what we're doing over the next
1060s	couple of months and then work with them
1062s	to get that done chances are you could
1064s	do that outside of eve2 you might not
1067s	want to especially if you have to like
1069s	sit near people and smell them and
1072s	things but if you're here at FanFest
1074s	you're already smelling people so you
1077s	can do it
1080s	um rolling into our next category we're
1082s	going to have a couple slides on some
1084s	industry and logistic roles um the first
1087s	one that I wanted to start off with um
1089s	that actually surprised me a little bit
1091s	but only until you start thinking about
1093s	it was people that do industry by
1096s	themselves um if you're here at FanFest
1099s	there's a good chance that you're not a
1101s	solo player there certainly could be
1102s	some out there but most people that make
1104s	it to FanFest are usually people here
1106s	with groups so this may or may not apply
1109s	you or maybe you're in a group but you
1111s	don't like those guys so they don't get
1113s	to touch your minerals and you're
1114s	building all your stuff by
1116s	yourself um you know where's the
1118s	tritanium just makes collaborating with
1121s	people very challenging sometimes but
1124s	people that are Solo industry players
1127s	they're tackling potentially complex
1129s	jobs um that might include a lot of
1131s	steps um that might have prerequisites
1134s	and they're usually doing this by
1135s	themselves so these people through my
1138s	interviews and discussions identified
1141s	strongly with time management skills
1143s	critical thinking adaptability and
1146s	problem solving these are people that
1148s	need to know how to line things up to be
1150s	efficient they need to be able to figure
1152s	out how to adapt on the Fly because they
1154s	don't have someone else to go lean on
1156s	and get some of this done for them it's
1158s	you the buck stops with you if your
1161s	reactions aren't done on time that next
1163s	job's going to sit and
1164s	wait um skills I made doing industry
1168s	helped me set up ordering of medical
1170s	supp supplies and equipment ensuring
1173s	deadlines and bottlenecks are met as far
1175s	as material and fiscal inputs are
1179s	concerned I thought that was actually a
1181s	pretty cool quote I talked to someone
1183s	that basically talked about how they
1186s	applied their Eve industry experience to
1189s	organizing and getting things done
1192s	um lots of people had feedback similar
1196s	to this um there's a lot of things in in
1200s	real life that can be thought of as put
1202s	a bunch of things together let them do
1204s	some things for a little while get
1205s	something out not everything can be
1207s	baked down that far and I would strongly
1209s	advise against in your head applying the
1211s	eve industry UI to everything that you
1214s	do but you could if you really
1216s	wanted um but people that did this and
1220s	did industry by themselves were able to
1222s	really learn and grow in a lot of
1223s	different ways because you've got to
1225s	figure it all out and then get started
1227s	and I'm sure a lot of you would probably
1230s	raise your hand that that is a
1231s	definition of something you've done at
1233s	your job is figure it all out and get it
1237s	started um bouncing to another type of
1240s	industry and Logistics we've got Supply
1242s	Chain management and Market management
1244s	so these are people that are working
1245s	with other people they're building
1248s	capitals while someone else takes care
1250s	of some of the components maybe they're
1252s	doing reactions uh and doing reaction
1254s	chains where other people are handling
1256s	different steps of that process these
1258s	are people that are moving stuff from
1260s	point A to point B these are people that
1262s	are stocking your Market they're getting
1263s	stuff up on contracts they're making
1265s	sure that you guys have what you need um
1270s	primary skills that these people
1272s	strongly correlated with were
1273s	communication and teamwork not a
1275s	surprise since these are people that are
1277s	working with other people conflict
1279s	management and problem solving and if
1281s	you're wondering why Conflict Management
1284s	cuz I actually was too when it came up
1286s	on the survey and I chatted with several
1288s	people
1289s	figuring out what everybody wants to do
1293s	and then making sure that they're not
1294s	all doing the same thing can can
1296s	apparently be rather challenging if
1299s	you've got several people that are
1300s	helping stock your Market first off
1303s	great the fact that it's more than one
1305s	we're off to a fantastic start but it
1307s	doesn't do you any good if they're all
1309s	stalking the same thing because now
1312s	you've got five people undercutting each
1314s	other trying to make sure that they're
1316s	the ones selling things and you've
1318s	probably underserved your community
1320s	because all the other crap that you need
1323s	is not stocked um so the reason that a
1325s	lot of those people chose conflict
1327s	management was really bunch of people
1329s	getting into a room or a channel and or
1332s	voice coms and saying I want to do this
1335s	figuring out someone's got to do
1336s	something they don't want to do there's
1338s	compromise there's resolution of some
1340s	conflict and there is hopefully an
1342s	outcome where your group your Market
1345s	your whatever it is your stocking gets
1348s	what you
1349s	need um working with industry that
1351s	requires multiple people requires
1354s	patience and an understanding of
1355s	people's capabilities and limits big
1358s	things require coordination and working
1361s	with people and the same is true of
1363s	almost all careers so if you've ever
1366s	found yourself trying to figure out how
1367s	to get a bunch of people that together
1370s	have all the right skills to get a job
1372s	done and you've managed to get it done
1376s	that's great and that also is pretty
1379s	agnostic of what you actually do for a
1381s	living um if your experiences in school
1384s	with group projects were that they're
1386s	terrible and you hate people because of
1388s	it this is a good way to try to undo
1391s	some of that uh PTSD because most things
1395s	in life require collaboration and
1397s	working with other people whether you
1399s	want it to or not as much as you want
1401s	everything to be a solo Venture chances
1403s	are that will not always be the
1405s	case rolling into our third category and
1408s	talking about some people management
1410s	roles um the first slide I've got here
1412s	talks about cultural fit assessments and
1414s	people that work in onboarding um
1417s	cultural fit assessments we defined as
1419s	the person whose job it is to feel out
1421s	somebody and decide if they're a good or
1424s	a bad apple this may or may not be the
1426s	people doing all of the other things
1428s	related to interviewing but it is a
1431s	distinct step I thought because looking
1433s	at someone's skills and actually talking
1435s	to them are two very different things
1439s	likewise people that identified as
1440s	onboard had a nearly identical identical
1443s	skill profile so that's why they're
1445s	together here on the
1447s	slide um if your group doesn't do
1449s	onboarding I would strongly advise
1451s	trying to do onboarding um we've had
1454s	other presentations at prior FanFest for
1457s	sure from different groups talking about
1459s	their onboarding programs but making
1461s	sure that new people that join have what
1463s	they need know what they need and know
1466s	where to go to ask questions generally
1468s	has a pretty strong correlation with uh
1470s	likelihood of longer term membership and
1472s	smooth integration into your crew people
1475s	working in these roles strongly
1477s	identified with critical thinking work
1480s	ethic emotional intelligence told you it
1483s	would come up and conflict
1485s	resolution um mostly the cultural fit
1489s	assessment I thought but on boarders
1491s	also had it too when you're trying to
1494s	work with someone first trying to figure
1496s	out do I want to fly with with this
1498s	person at all and then all right we got
1502s	to fly with them how do I make sure they
1504s	don't suck um you end up talking to them
1508s	it requires figuring out what do they
1510s	want what do they need and resonating
1514s	that to match what you want and what you
1516s	need or rather your group wants and your
1517s	group needs closing that Gap and being
1521s	able to get everyone onto the same page
1523s	is the main reason that we have
1525s	emotional intelligence up here um
1528s	working and assessing fit into an
1530s	organization helped me understand that
1532s	often times the best way to solve a
1534s	problem is to avoid having it in the
1536s	first place that's a good quote of
1539s	virtually everything but in the context
1541s	of this slide that was specifically
1542s	raised to me as far as keeping bad
1544s	apples out of a
1546s	corporation um I suspect this is a
1549s	lesson that many different groups and
1551s	leaders and organizations and Eve have
1553s	tried have had to learn probably the
1555s	hard way at least once uh talk toxic
1558s	people are bad and you might say but I
1561s	need more people you never need people
1565s	enough that you should be tolerating
1567s	people that are bad um the damage that
1569s	can be caused internally by someone that
1572s	is negative hard to deal with and makes
1575s	other people want to literally not play
1577s	with you might mean that when you take a
1579s	step back you realize you're literally
1581s	at a net negative for letting this
1583s	person be in your Fleet um and
1586s	recognizing that before there in your
1588s	group can be important and that was what
1591s	this quote was specifically talking
1592s	about but hopefully a lesson that you
1594s	can learn both in even if you're in a
1596s	position to ever be doing so I'd advise
1599s	about I'd advise about keeping uh bad
1602s	people out of your real life
1603s	organizations as well CU it's rarely
1606s	ever worth that uh worth that
1610s	gamble um so we've got people management
1613s	working with uh recruiters and
1615s	applications so these are the people
1617s	that are going to sit there and go go
1618s	you don't get to fly with us um these
1621s	are Talent acquisition these people that
1623s	work on finding recruits rather that's
1626s	spamming in local chat posting on Reddit
1629s	using the in-game recruiting function
1632s	you're finding people that want to join
1634s	your group and then you're talking to
1636s	them making sure they know what you're
1637s	about figuring out if they want to come
1639s	join
1640s	you and then you'll interview them and
1643s	review their application all depending
1644s	on what your group does how strict your
1647s	requirements are the bar could be way up
1649s	here or maybe if they can breathe
1652s	they're joining your Corp and most
1654s	groups in Eve are somewhere in between
1656s	there um we can probably all think of
1658s	groups on both ends of that Spectrum
1660s	most Corps are definitely somewhere in
1662s	the middle
1663s	um but uh you know that's that's a very
1667s	real thing and the people that do this
1669s	in Eve generally had strong critical
1672s	thinking skills strong work ethic skills
1675s	again emotional intelligence because
1677s	they're work here relies immensely on
1679s	just understanding other people's wants
1681s	and needs and expressing their own and
1684s	communication because they're spending a
1686s	lot of time talking to people um work
1689s	ethic uh I wanted to just touch on the
1691s	reason we have work ethic up here is a
1693s	lot of them said well recruiting is a
1696s	lot of work maybe you have deadlines or
1699s	targets we want to recruit X number of
1701s	people maybe you have a lot of people
1703s	applying to your corporation and the
1705s	people that you've got to review and
1706s	talk to are piling up
1708s	these are people that just generally
1710s	speaking said they know how to buckle
1712s	down and get stuff done um and they know
1715s	how to consistently do that to try to
1717s	keep everything
1720s	moving um one of the I think only quotes
1723s	that I actually have a name attached to
1725s	it um either people left me useful
1728s	quotes but didn't give me contact
1730s	information wishing to remain anonymous
1732s	on my survey or in my interviews would
1734s	say you can quote me but leave my name
1737s	off that slide
1738s	um I don't know if they were worried
1739s	they just didn't want to be associated
1741s	with me um but I did get a couple people
1745s	that said they didn't want their name up
1746s	here so uh I actually use these skills
1750s	in real life to hire support staff and
1753s	even help with selection of Physicians
1755s	and other critical clinical support
1757s	roles um I don't know if they're here I
1760s	asked one of the wingspan guys and he
1762s	said he didn't know but this quote is
1764s	from Nikki aala um who works in HR for
1766s	wingspan
1769s	um another one of my surprises that's
1772s	probably not a surprise Eve's a great
1775s	place to just hone and practice and
1778s	leverage some of those skills that you
1780s	may or may not be using outside but it's
1783s	a place where you get to sit down on a
1785s	table and interview people or talk to
1787s	people and find out if you like them if
1788s	they like
1789s	you um I don't have a quote here but I
1793s	can tell you at least five of the people
1794s	I spoke to specifically mentioned that
1796s	they felt like interviewing people and
1799s	Eve made them better at interviewing in
1801s	real life on both sides of the table
1803s	because you're in a you you're sitting
1805s	down and talking to someone and just
1808s	figuring out I want I want a job here I
1810s	want to fly with these guys or I'm
1813s	figuring out if I want them to Fly With
1815s	Me Maybe the word is not fly but you do
1819s	that a bunch in your job probably
1821s	especially if you work in any sort of
1823s	hiring manager roles or team lead roles
1825s	where you're trying to figure out people
1827s	that you want on your team or you want
1829s	on your
1831s	company rolling into the last category
1834s	that I had for rooll setup and starting
1837s	right off with probably the role that
1839s	I'm not sure which one's higher CEO or
1841s	fleet commander probably the other role
1844s	that everyone immediately thought to uh
1846s	when I said rolls and Eve the fleet
1848s	commander I'll also note um this is the
1851s	only slide where I have five skills
1854s	attributed to it because Fleet
1856s	commanders had such strong correlations
1858s	across the board with a lot of roles
1861s	that it was challenging to pick just
1863s	four um cuz I I think I did mention it
1866s	but these are not the only skills these
1868s	roles help you with they're just the
1870s	strongest cuz telling you that every
1872s	skill or every role helps with every
1874s	skill would be terribly unhelpful um but
1878s	the definition of fleet commander that
1880s	we use is these are the people that are
1882s	responsible for calling out actions
1884s	directing and driving groups of people
1886s	towards a common goal and that goal
1888s	might sometimes be complex I'm sure if
1890s	everyone just closes their eyes for a
1892s	moment they can hear their fleet
1894s	commander shouting at them to jump or
1897s	not jump or wondering who jumped or
1900s	asking why' someone already shoot the
1901s	target and now we need to unlock and
1903s	move to another one
1905s	um it's every Fleet I heard several
1908s	Giggles like it's not just my corpse not
1910s	the only one that's bad at PVP you I
1912s	don't believe you if you try to tell me
1914s	otherwise um but Fleet Commanders they
1918s	do a lot um they've got a lot of stress
1920s	running on them sometimes they've got a
1922s	lot of people sitting there patiently or
1924s	hopefully patiently actually paying
1926s	attention to when they get told what to
1929s	do and they need to do a lot of thinking
1931s	and they need to do it quickly so Fleet
1933s	commanders get five skills for critical
1936s	thinking adaptability creativity
1939s	leadership and
1941s	teamwork um Fleet commanders need to be
1944s	good at communicating too it was a close
1946s	Contender to be here cuz if your FC
1948s	can't communicate they're probably not
1950s	doing any fcing ever again um but they
1953s	need to be able to think quickly they
1955s	need to be able to make good decisions
1957s	and they need to be creative because
1959s	sometimes you go on in and you said this
1961s	is the plan and you take that Titan
1964s	bridge and you go oh one dcan lights up
1967s	with what the fleet is bringing and now
1969s	you need a whole new plan um they're
1972s	leaders and they work with teams so
1975s	probably the rest of those skills aren't
1976s	no well none of the skills are probably
1978s	surprises but Fleet commanders get an
1981s	awful lot of experience in a lot lot an
1983s	awful lot of different
1985s	places um my quote from n FC Fleet
1989s	commanding was how I learned to build
1990s	trust and reliability within my
1992s	teammates and these are skills that I've
1995s	successfully carried into managing
1996s	people outside of Eve it's not a quote
1998s	from me but I probably could have
2000s	written it because I would say something
2002s	very similar um I work with managing
2004s	people for a living I work on making
2007s	sure they have everything they need
2008s	giving them Direction Where needed and
2011s	there is immense strong overlap with
2013s	things I do both as a CEO and a fleet
2016s	commander I'm not our good fleet
2018s	commander though he's someone else
2022s	um next uh next up I've got Ops planning
2026s	very similar to Fleet commanders as far
2029s	as the uh roll breakdown goes but I did
2031s	want to call them out cuz they had at
2032s	least one uh they had a couple different
2034s	differences there and again Fleet
2036s	Commanders had very strong correlation
2039s	across the board I could have put all 11
2041s	skills up there but it would have been
2044s	less helpful Ops planners are people
2046s	that may or may not be the FC but
2048s	they're helping figure out what we're
2050s	doing ahead of time this might be
2052s	planning just tonight's op this might be
2054s	planning the entire week when are we
2055s	hitting what when are we going to need
2057s	to follow up on timers they're heavily
2059s	involved with ensuring a groups
2061s	operations run on time and move and run
2066s	effectively they've leadership just like
2068s	the FC's did they've got work ethic
2071s	they've got time management and they're
2072s	adaptable timing can be very important
2075s	when it comes to planning most plans at
2077s	least in Eve do have some semblance of
2079s	time to them but being able to figure
2081s	out how long are things going to take
2084s	how long is getting there going to take
2086s	and oh the Wormhole is gone now we need
2088s	a new plan and uh you know figuring out
2091s	how to adapt when your route has changed
2093s	twice because now your Titan's also dead
2095s	and you need to figure out how we're
2096s	getting there differently um planning
2099s	and helping execute operations helped me
2102s	build planning skills and learn
2104s	attention to detail I have been able to
2106s	directly translate those skills to
2108s	mapping out install jobs and ensuring
2110s	proper Staffing and resource allocations
2113s	so again I thought a pretty cool quote
2116s	um this person worked in um construction
2121s	and they in my conversation with them
2124s	they said that literally I've taken
2127s	figuring out how I'm going to Glass this
2129s	constellation of structures and taking
2131s	some of the skills I've learned from
2133s	that on moving all the P pieces and
2135s	parts around and actually carried that
2137s	back to my
2138s	job um we've got Theory crafting Theory
2142s	crafting is an interesting one um in
2145s	that I think your first thought might be
2148s	how does that apply to anything that's
2150s	not figuring out how to make
2152s	spaceships but then you think on it more
2154s	and realize it actually starts to make a
2156s	lot of sense especially after uh you
2158s	know we we touch on the quote maybe this
2161s	applies more to some Fields than than
2163s	others but I got a lot of people that
2165s	talked about how that overall Min maxing
2169s	optimization mindset was able to be
2171s	applied everywhere these are people that
2173s	build your doctrines they figure out how
2175s	to fit your ships they might yell at you
2177s	when you don't listen and fit your ship
2178s	something differently and they adjust to
2181s	the game changes both mechanics and the
2183s	game meta to ensure that whatever you're
2185s	flying is as efficient as possible
2187s	possible keeping the price in
2189s	mind these are critical thinkers they
2192s	they solve problems they're adaptive and
2194s	they're creative and figuring
2197s	out screen keeps dying on me there we go
2201s	figuring out how to minmax something and
2203s	find the perceived best solution to a
2206s	problem with hundreds of variables has
2209s	helped me tackle similar complicated
2211s	things in my engineering career probably
2214s	no big surprise to someone that uh
2217s	engineering was where this quote came
2218s	from but being able to just take a
2221s	couple steps back and look at the big
2223s	picture with all the different parts
2226s	changes things that need to happen and
2229s	figuring out how to navigate through
2230s	that is not unique to Eve it's not
2232s	unique to Eve it's not unique to just
2234s	ship fittings um and I strongly believe
2237s	that if you learn some of those skills
2239s	and work and just what is the best way
2241s	to put all these pieces together it's
2244s	going to work
2246s	um that is a real ship fit that I have
2249s	uh seen used by someone in my alliance
2252s	in case you're wondering where that came
2255s	from um not on the list from Forbes but
2258s	something I wanted to touch on was hard
2260s	skills um the hard skills that we
2263s	specifically peaked at was data
2265s	collection analysis statistics um I got
2269s	a lot of people saying that they' picked
2270s	up these skills in Eve um the first
2274s	grouping Google Docs Microsoft Excel
2276s	power by uh another similar software
2279s	that does data entry and processing um a
2282s	lot of people we talked to actually said
2284s	one of the first places they really
2286s	really used those things was an eve um
2289s	and many of them now use them in their
2292s	job even if they didn't have to because
2295s	they are now addicted to spreadsheets
2297s	look what Eve has done to
2299s	us
2301s	um almost everybody said in some fashion
2304s	they used this but the roll that that
2306s	had the highest likelihood of saying yes
2308s	I used that for both my job and in my
2311s	Eve job uh literally every industry role
2314s	didn't matter what kind of industry you
2315s	were doing huge surprise if you're doing
2317s	industry without spreadsheets I'm
2319s	slightly concerned um operations
2323s	planners Theory crafters and people that
2325s	worked in onboarding if you're wondering
2327s	why onboarding is up there my
2328s	conversations with the people that
2330s	checked that box was they basically use
2332s	them to make checklists they use them to
2334s	track where people are at in their
2336s	different on on boarding pipelines um
2338s	and they're using that to figure out who
2340s	needs what um likewise people that
2343s	learned and got involved in analyzing
2345s	data and learning
2347s	statistics um Theory Crafters Fleet
2350s	commanders Ops planning and people that
2353s	worked in again all industry roles were
2355s	likely to have gotten involved in
2357s	analyzing lots of data and making some
2359s	decisions based off of
2363s	analytics so
2365s	um
2367s	what are uh per the Forbes list there's
2370s	our uh 11 I attached one quick end
2373s	toward there towards the end for the
2374s	hard skills what we've done now is we've
2377s	created a mapping of where am I most
2380s	likely to improve my time management
2383s	skills where am I most likely to be able
2386s	to work and do some things that might
2387s	help me learn and improve my creativity
2390s	or my leadership or my critical thinking
2393s	I'm not going to read this entire slide
2394s	of course but what we've got here is the
2396s	the 12 different skills that we touched
2399s	on along with what roles that I talked
2402s	about that had the strongest correlation
2404s	to them I of course will again note
2408s	basically almost every role that we
2410s	looked at had some people that said they
2413s	used XYZ skills in it if you're doing
2416s	anything in Eve there's a good chance
2417s	you're learning several of these so this
2420s	is not an exhaustive list or a
2421s	prescriptive list but rather this is
2424s	intended to come across as a guide that
2426s	says I do some of those things those are
2429s	the skills I'm learning and picking up
2432s	on um finally I wanted to just touch on
2435s	this with one slide just because uh it
2438s	came up enough from conversations that I
2440s	thought it would be silly not to touch
2441s	on um there was already another
2444s	presentation by Max Singularity this
2446s	weekend that talked about relationships
2448s	and friendships and networking and
2450s	things that you can build and grow and
2451s	learn through Eve um but two things that
2454s	stood out to me that I felt were
2456s	especially relevant to this conversation
2459s	was people that said that those have
2460s	helped them in their
2461s	career um just over one in five people
2466s	that we spoke to and took the survey
2468s	felt that relationships that they'd
2470s	gained through Eve have actually helped
2472s	them Advance their career whether that
2474s	was helping them land a new job in the
2476s	same field in another company or just
2479s	saying hi yeah this is how I learned
2481s	these skills and got promoted here's how
2483s	you can do it too um these are not
2485s	direct quotes but rather paraphrasing of
2488s	combining lots of conversations on this
2490s	but meeting someone that was further
2492s	along in the same career as me helped me
2495s	find advancement opportunities
2496s	summarizes what all those people gave me
2498s	as feedback as well as uh people
2502s	actually Chang career Fields because of
2503s	Eve um or rather because of people they
2506s	met in Eve um I've been thinking about
2508s	moving careers and finding someone that
2510s	already did that helped me decide to
2512s	make that jump if you're thinking I want
2515s	to know how to break in into
2517s	X what's better than finding someone
2520s	that already does X so one in eight
2522s	people said that this has happened to
2524s	them through their time playing Eve um
2527s	133% uh not most maybe not tons but
2532s	given how many people we looked at I
2534s	thought it was relevant and interesting
2535s	enough to bring it
2538s	up so um that's wrapping up my
2542s	presentation we talked about me the
2544s	questions that started this um the goals
2547s	of the presentation hopefully everyone
2549s	feels like they learned something or at
2551s	least laughed once or twice at some of
2552s	my bad jokes um How We Gather the data
2556s	and then I drove in and talked about all
2558s	the different roles and skills and how
2560s	they all correlate together so um there
2564s	is not time for Q&A here we're not set
2567s	up for it in the main hall but if you
2570s	have questions comments feedback or want
2572s	to just talk to me um I'm Zuki in game
2577s	you can convo me if I'm online you can
2579s	shoot me a mail you can find me as Zuki
2581s	on Discord and of course I will be
2584s	around for the rest of FanFest so always
2586s	happy to talk about this with anybody
2588s	else so thank you very much everyone I
2591s	hope that was a good use of your time
2594s	and enjoy the rest of
2602s	FanFest

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