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4s | one more one more |
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8s | yeah all |
9s | right mic check okay can y'all hear me |
14s | yeah okay yeah no |
19s | yes all right good afternoon capsuleers |
24s | did you hear that all right welcome to |
28s | FanFest this is dropping all right |
30s | welcome to FanFest we are thrilled to be |
34s | uh celebrating Eve's 20th birthday with |
37s | you all over the next 3 days thank you |
39s | for flying into raik and for joining us |
43s | here at the eclusive gamer Circle where |
46s | it's a space where everyone is welcomed |
48s | and |
49s | embraced and we appreciate you so thank |
52s | you for coming the hope for bringing us |
55s | all together today is to continue to |
57s | build and reinforce the bonds that we |
59s | share both in new Eden and in real life |
63s | in order to create a strong and |
65s | inclusive community for us all who you |
69s | are your personality your identity how |
73s | you play Eve online this is how you |
75s | bring Eve online to life every single |
77s | day when you log in and that is the |
79s | magic that we like to call the |
81s | Friendship machine this is what Eve |
84s | Community is all about friendship and |
87s | today I'm excited to have some of this |
89s | fabulous Community here with us uh both |
93s | in CCP devs and Eve online players so |
96s | we'll be hearing from them shortly as |
98s | they share their experiences About Eve |
100s | online with us so thank |
103s | you so why the focus on community some |
106s | people would say that you know this is |
108s | just a video game so who cares but this |
112s | this is you know really important for |
115s | CCP as we believe that the purpose of EV |
118s | online extends far beyond traditional |
121s | gaming and entertainment it is really |
124s | about friendship and nurturing and |
127s | taking care of each other built on trust |
130s | so this is why CCP has um you know |
133s | decided to create this virtual and |
135s | meaningful sci-fi uh world where we can |
138s | all come together not only to |
140s | collaborate and to strategize but also |
143s | to make meaningful friendships and Forge |
147s | connections so we have decided that |
151s | today we will talk about Community we're |
154s | going to invest in community and FanFest |
157s | and all of you here are the truest |
159s | manifestations of the Friendship |
161s | machine so of course this all starts |
165s | with each and every one of you it's |
167s | about your personality your identity |
170s | your needs your motivations your gender |
175s | all of this is what you bring to Eve |
177s | online the chats you sent the trades you |
181s | make the wars you fight you know that is |
185s | the tangible output of the Friendship |
187s | machine and that is those bonds that |
190s | keep EV on line alive every single day |
194s | and safety diversity and inclusion are |
197s | the necessary ingredients to make this |
200s | all |
201s | work and that is why today here as CCP |
204s | devs and as players we are going to try |
207s | and find new ways to make the friendship |
210s | machine come alive and we're going to |
213s | use our gameplay mechanics to elevate |
216s | who you are in EV online so our hope is |
219s | that as CCP devs we can continue to lay |
222s | the bricks for the foundation for a |
225s | healthy and exciting |
228s | gameplay now over the summer we did some |
232s | research we reached out to some Eve |
234s | online players perhaps some of you in |
236s | this room and we asked your experiences |
240s | now please know this is the first step |
243s | of our journey in understanding um the |
246s | step of you know building a welcoming |
249s | inclusive and safe journey and we want |
251s | to take that Journey with you so this |
254s | survey this panel discussion this is all |
258s | to help us grow and to create those |
260s | bonds together and to share those |
263s | experiences and to fuel that friendship |
265s | machine so we welcome you on this |
268s | journey with us and later on today um |
271s | after we hear from these wonderful |
273s | people on stage we will be um opening it |
276s | up to audience Q&A so uh we definitely |
280s | want to hear from you as well and later |
283s | on we have a networking event in Seeker |
285s | Saladin which is downstairs if you've |
287s | not been we'll be sharing a little bit |
289s | more of our research in depth and um you |
293s | can talk to either myself or CCPA who |
296s | have been very involved in doing that |
298s | research uh if you want any more |
300s | information if you also didn't have a |
303s | chance to fill out the survey we have |
305s | little QR codes um in Secret Salon so |
308s | you can just click on that and take the |
310s | survey we'd love to hear from |
312s | you so what did we here in the survey we |
316s | had about 13,000 people fill out the |
318s | survey out of that 9,000 approximately |
322s | were playing Eve at that current moment |
325s | in time and from there we had about um |
330s | majority of our players 90% were |
334s | male uh three and a half% 4% identified |
337s | as female 2% identified as non-binary |
341s | and we had about a handful of people 5% |
343s | that prefer not to answer so this is the |
346s | audience that you will be seeing today |
348s | that we talk about when you see the data |
350s | uh we'll be referring to them in uh |
354s | three different sections males |
356s | non-binary and |
358s | female |
361s | so let's begin these conversations and |
364s | start to uh dive in and see what we |
367s | found out and with that I'm going to |
369s | introduce our lovely lovely |
372s | panel so starting from the right here we |
375s | have uh CCP Emerald from the Emerald |
378s | City itself the senior brand manager for |
381s | Eve online has nearly a decade of |
383s | experience as a brand and product |
385s | manager working with Dev teams to ensure |
388s | the work they do developing games is |
390s | well positioned to excite and activate |
392s | players growing up games were always |
395s | part of her life whether it be board |
397s | games computer games or Nintendo and she |
400s | clearly never outgrew them because she |
402s | has often one to host Mario K Kart game |
404s | nights or play D and D at home so |
406s | welcome Emerald CCP |
412s | lovess CCP less is a Joan of all trades |
416s | and a tool developer from the city of |
418s | fear rikic she is has worked for 17 |
421s | years in the gaming industry from |
423s | creating Concepts and models to writing |
425s | code and she barely knows anything else |
428s | besides textures and tools in her free |
430s | time she's quite insane and likes |
432s | controlling armies of elves to destroy |
434s | the Imperium of man while contemplating |
436s | the why of |
438s | existence her favorite animals are cat |
441s | and geese said Thank You CP |
448s | less well welcome cpia to the to the |
452s | floor she's a senior data scientist very |
454s | involved in the research and the the |
456s | work that you see here today uh she |
458s | leads data products within CCP London |
461s | and machine learning projects for Eve |
463s | online in her free time she likes to |
465s | play open world RPGs and Casual FPS so |
468s | welcome |
473s | messia CCP Zenia is a hungry Bug Hunter |
477s | with over six years of testing |
478s | experience in the industry she is a |
481s | proud QA analyst for one of the content |
483s | teams here in rikic but even though she |
486s | loves finding digital bugs she can't |
488s | really stand spiders in real life she |
490s | also has a hard time leaving her QA role |
493s | outside of work causing her teammates |
495s | trouble when playing PVP or getting |
497s | stuck and crashing in the client during |
498s | crucial moments so look out CCP |
506s | zinia next we have gregal which I'm sure |
509s | you all uh may know uh gregal has been |
513s | playing Eve online for over 14 years uh |
516s | she's an amazing fleet commander in real |
519s | life and in Eve online and um she is |
523s | responsible for you know helping tens of |
527s | thousands of newbies learn how to play |
529s | Eve online and FanFest couldn't happen |
531s | without her so thank you Greg G for |
533s | joining us |
538s | today and I on my other side I have kall |
543s | kall has been playing Eve online for |
545s | about three and a half years uh I |
547s | believe you were saying that uh your |
549s | partner was playing and tried to get you |
551s | to play and she didn't want to but then |
553s | one day she decided and now she's |
555s | kicking but and also a fleet commander M |
558s | PSI uh fleets helping newbies uh play |
561s | Eve online so thank you |
566s | kha we welcome CE Sly Eclipse born and |
571s | raised in Iceland she's a devoted |
574s | computer scientist serving as a software |
576s | engineer within one of the content teams |
578s | at CCP games Eclipse equipment extends |
581s | commitment extends beyond the digital |
583s | realm they are passionate advocate for |
586s | equality with a special focus focus on |
589s | promoting gender equality within the |
591s | tech industry in her Spare Time Eclipse |
594s | finds joy immersing herself in the |
595s | captivating worlds of fantasy RPGs |
598s | welcome |
605s | next we have Dy another Eve online |
608s | player Dy has been playing for seven |
611s | years and uh she does she flies and does |
617s | loging welcome |
624s | D introducing CCP Moss a talent |
627s | acquisition SP specialist with an |
630s | advocate for diversity and inclusion |
632s | within the gaming industry with her Keen |
635s | Eye for talent and a passion for the |
637s | gaming industry CCP Moss has played a |
639s | crucial role in building the dream teams |
642s | behind some of ccp's iconic projects in |
644s | recent years but there's more to Moss |
646s | than meets the eye when not busy |
649s | scouting and recruiting top tier Talent |
651s | CCP Moss is a DieHard board gamer and |
653s | spends most of her time either |
655s | collaborating with or killing her |
658s | friends okay well welcome CC |
664s | M and last but definitely not least we |
667s | have CCP Mercury she is a visual artist |
671s | from Italy after working seven years in |
673s | the comic book industry she transitioned |
675s | to video games designing user interfaces |
678s | for PC and mobile an introvert |
680s | pretending to be an extrovert she enjoys |
683s | embarrassing herself in RPGs be it on |
685s | pen and paper or in MMOs when her social |
689s | battery run low you can find her at her |
691s | desk playing puzzle games or starting |
693s | yet another DIY project so welcome |
702s | Mercury so I am very fortunate to share |
706s | the stage with all of these amazing devs |
709s | and players and without further Ado |
711s | we're going to jump in and learn a |
713s | little bit more about them so I'll start |
717s | with uh CCP emeralds |
720s | hi hello |
721s | welcome tell me uh what inspired you to |
724s | pursue a g a career in games and what |
727s | Drew you to Eve |
730s | online |
732s | hello is it on okay all right um yeah so |
737s | I have always been um a pretty creative |
740s | person um thinking back to my childhood |
743s | my brother and I would sit out in the |
744s | backyard we'd you know make up stories |
747s | and um yeah and play games together uh |
750s | either in the backyard board games uh |
752s | computer games I mean computers came out |
755s | when I was a kid so we got stuck into |
757s | that and I kind of fell into games but |
760s | it ended up being perfect for me because |
762s | it creates a great venue to uh share to |
765s | create and share stories uh like just |
768s | really lean into that creativity and and |
770s | bring it out so that people can enjoy |
773s | the experiences that we create and |
775s | honestly I I never imagined myself |
777s | working in games but I would not change |
779s | it for for the world I absolutely love |
782s | what I |
784s | do thank you CCP Mercury what about you |
788s | what Drew you to a career in games and |
791s | what brought you to Eve online let's see |
793s | if this works yeah okay um yeah I'm |
797s | actually coming from um the comics |
800s | industry I was working as a freelancer |
802s | for comic books uh but I was really |
804s | looking for um an environment that |
808s | Fosters grow growth and uh also human |
811s | connection which is not what you get |
814s | when you're freelancing and drawing |
815s | comic book pages uh and I also wanted to |
818s | be in the video gaming industry but um |
820s | opportunities in Italy weren't that many |
824s | so I take a lip of faith and applied to |
826s | CCP uh transition career and I was |
829s | fortunate enough to be hired uh one year |
831s | ago so that's how I got into it it was a |
835s | a a dream of mine uh that I wasn't brave |
838s | enough to pursue for 8 years uh until |
841s | one year ago that's it thank you CCP |
845s | Zena what about you uh what inspired you |
848s | to pursue a career in games let's see |
851s | does it work no yes it works okay yeah |
854s | so for me I was here in Iceland it must |
855s | have been over 10 years ago now I was |
857s | here for a summer job I was just you |
859s | know in my you know uh years of thinking |
862s | of what I wanted to do with my life and |
864s | figured out that I love games so I |
866s | searched for educations got in started |
868s | game design and programming for three |
870s | years then afterwards I started working |
872s | as a QA loved QA stayed as QA still a QA |
876s | and yeah then I listened to a lot of |
878s | podcasts about games and heard a lot of |
881s | e on line and especially one was that |
883s | was about the Judgment Day |
886s | yeah and I was just hooked I really |
888s | wanted to be part of that community and |
891s | here I am today super proud of being |
893s | here thank you thank you Zenia uh CCP |
900s | ASA what about you yeah um yeah so I was |
905s | a data scientist for a while before I |
907s | started at CCP but yeah I love gaming |
910s | myself and then I was living in Iceland |
913s | and CCP was just very much the perfect |
915s | fit great environment and I love it |
918s | thank you CCP lovess um what are some of |
923s | the most rewarding experiences you've |
925s | had while working on EVE |
927s | Online uh wearing many hats is probably |
929s | the the biggest Pride I have like I've |
932s | concepted I modeled I've worked on tools |
935s | I've scripted a lot of stuff in Mya for |
938s | people it's just the universal appeal of |
941s | not being stuck in a one role and being |
944s | able to just do a lot of things |
947s | especially like in the early days it was |
949s | just it was amazing thank you thank you |
953s | so greal |
954s | [Laughter] |
957s | hi uh what's specific aspect or |
960s | experience of e EV on line initially |
962s | Drew you to the game 14 years ago well |
966s | it was 3 in the morning and I was oops |
969s | sorry my voice travels |
971s | anyway hello okay but yeah I was like |
975s | literally 3 in the morning I was kind of |
976s | bored and saw this little advertisement |
978s | and I was like going yeah I could use a |
981s | new game to try and I downloaded it and |
986s | uh 11 days later I you know it was okay |
989s | and but I you know and then this was |
992s | right after Apocrypha so wormholes were |
994s | brand new and I decided a scan out a |
998s | wormhole jumped in Warped off looking |
1000s | for something and then I couldn't figure |
1002s | out how to get |
1005s | out there's just I didn't know I needed |
1009s | to bookmark the exit you |
1011s | know and I'm like typing in newbie chat |
1014s | how do I get out of here and nobody |
1015s | really knew how and they were like just |
1017s | well maybe you just need to to wait to |
1019s | downtime and it'll kick you out |
1020s | automatically or something I mean |
1022s | literally that's what like one of the |
1025s | yellow ones you know the the people are |
1027s | supposed to know what's going on said |
1029s | and a player a total stranger offered to |
1032s | he asked me if I remembered what system |
1033s | I was in and I did and he you know when |
1036s | I scanned it out and he says well I'll |
1038s | try and scan it out and come rescue you |
1039s | and everybody in the chat is like don't |
1041s | do it he's going to blow you up it's a |
1043s | scam whatever you do don't flee you'll |
1045s | lose everything and everything I owned |
1047s | is in this little catalyst and I was |
1050s | lost in space and I'd never experienced |
1053s | that in a game before just like I'm like |
1056s | up and down walking in my around just |
1058s | pacing like how do I get out and this |
1061s | guy scanned sent me a fleet invite said |
1064s | warp to me and you know some everybody |
1068s | says an eve that don't trust anybody but |
1071s | sometimes really the only way to really |
1074s | get it in Eve is you got to trust |
1076s | somebody I warp to him he said hop on |
1079s | out I hopped on out he dropped me from |
1082s | Fleet and sent me 100,000 |
1085s | isk right great and I went grabbed my |
1087s | wallet and subscribed right |
1091s | away that was |
1095s | it thank |
1098s | you Michelle what about you what uh |
1101s | brought you to um EV on line what Drew |
1104s | you to the game initially is this on yes |
1108s | so so I tried playing with my husband um |
1112s | I never got on ducked I hated it I |
1113s | rageed |
1114s | uninstalled uh said screw it you can go |
1117s | play triangles in |
1120s | space and uh couple years later they |
1124s | came out with the alpha Concepts so I |
1125s | tried it again I got in docked I never |
1127s | got into ship I was floating around |
1129s | something came by and bloed me and I'm |
1131s | like screw this I don't need this in my |
1132s | life I uninstalled |
1134s | it third time's a charm so uh 2020 I |
1138s | loaded up I started playing I decided |
1140s | that I was going to be a solo player in |
1142s | HEC I'm not going to do anything silly |
1144s | like go out into NC and then I heard an |
1147s | interview from |
1149s | her and I went out on her Fleet the next |
1152s | week and uh everything else is her |
1156s | fault so I started doing new RS myself |
1160s | and I joined up with fun in um npsi |
1164s | community and pretty soon someone said |
1167s | you need to start doing this thing with |
1169s | new Bros in incursion fleets it didn't |
1172s | work the community kept popping mom and |
1176s | an mpsi that doesn't really |
1179s | work so the next year um they came with |
1183s | an agreement we could schedule it so I |
1185s | started something called Eve |
1186s | rookies and we started with incursions |
1189s | one time a week we got a bunch of |
1191s | newbies out gave them practice blew it |
1193s | up they got like 200 mil in their wallet |
1195s | they thought they're the richest people |
1196s | in the world went off and did stuff |
1198s | pretty soon that became 2 3 four I think |
1200s | we run like four to five fleets a week |
1202s | now we now do fob fleets we do level |
1205s | four mission fleets we do uh I think we |
1208s | just got Mining and Wormhole ratting and |
1210s | we run around 34 fleets a month we have |
1212s | 70 unique newro and returning vets |
1215s | coming back into uh the ecosystem every |
1218s | month and yeah so that's my career in |
1222s | Eve suing it up well thank you glad to |
1225s | have |
1227s | you |
1231s | so dyl could you uh walk us through what |
1233s | a typical day in new Eden looks like for |
1236s | you a typical day in New Ed for me it's |
1239s | usually uh receiving a ping on Discord |
1243s | uh fleets up you better join |
1246s | it and then so I log in and of course |
1249s | they're saying you know we're not |
1250s | leaving until we get more Lodie like all |
1252s | right I guess I'm doing Lodi again and |
1254s | then they're like oh we need a Lodi |
1256s | anchor Delana you do it okay |
1259s | thanks um or sometimes I do it on my own |
1262s | but um that's what I do a lot of is um |
1267s | just big Fleet fights with other people |
1269s | in nck um usually doing some kind of |
1272s | lodging whether I'm lodgy anchor or just |
1274s | following the Lodie anchor um but most |
1276s | of it just either doing directly PVP or |
1280s | supporting PVP um activities like buying |
1283s | my usually more drones when they kill |
1285s | all my |
1286s | drones um |
1289s | buying more Lodi |
1291s | ships uh occasionally doing PVE when I |
1294s | have |
1295s | to but I just like blowing people up |
1299s | so I guess yeah that's mostly what I do |
1303s | thank you thanks so |
1308s | much so CCP Eclipse hi hi uh what advice |
1313s | would you give to aspiring female game |
1315s | developers who want to have a a career |
1317s | in video game design |
1319s | um I think the most important thing um |
1321s | is to believe in in yourself and stick |
1323s | to your guns um when I first told people |
1326s | that I wanted to be a game death uh they |
1328s | looked at me a bit like I just told them |
1330s | I wanted to be a unicorn um but like a |
1334s | career in games is always becoming a |
1336s | more viable option the industry is |
1338s | expanding and there is a place for you |
1341s | win it it's so like we need diversity in |
1344s | this industry so please don't let like |
1346s | adversity give you up like please |
1349s | believe in yourself you can do it thank |
1351s | you thank you CCP moss from your |
1355s | perspective as a talents Acquisitions |
1357s | manager what advice would you give to uh |
1360s | young aspiring game developers who want |
1363s | to get into a career in video games it's |
1366s | really just like daring to dream you |
1368s | know when I originally applied for the |
1370s | job that I am in for example I did not |
1373s | meet every single requirement listed on |
1375s | that jobs back um and I know that it's |
1378s | often a tendency that women don't put |
1380s | themselves out there unless they're 100% |
1382s | sure that they're going to succeed and |
1384s | they meet every single thing um so even |
1388s | if you don't just shoot your shot really |
1391s | just go for it if it's something you |
1392s | really want to do just be passionate and |
1395s | yeah don't be afraid to dream and just |
1397s | go with |
1398s | it thank you so much all right well we |
1403s | talked about Eve online and the |
1404s | friendship machine and it's something |
1406s | that we are very proud of because I |
1408s | think as Greg Al mentioned you know this |
1411s | is a game where we're killing people and |
1413s | stealing and all of this stuff but |
1415s | uh our relationships are built on trust |
1419s | and what we found out in this survey and |
1423s | in previous surveys |
1425s | consistently is that our players |
1428s | regardless of gender have made friends |
1431s | in New Eden so |
1434s | 80% uh it's a little bit higher for |
1437s | women and non-b AR than men but 80% of |
1441s | you have made a friend in new Eden and I |
1444s | think again this is one of the trest |
1446s | manifestations of this I remember doing |
1449s | a FanFest survey after FanFest last year |
1452s | and a lot of you come not because you're |
1455s | playing the game or because you want to |
1456s | see the keynote but to hang out with |
1458s | your friends you know and again it is |
1460s | the Friendship machine and I think it's |
1462s | something unique to E online so CCP |
1466s | Mercury the Friendship machine plays a |
1468s | crucial role in shaping player |
1469s | interactions and experiences can you |
1472s | share a compelling uh example or Insight |
1475s | on how your work directly contributes to |
1477s | fueling the Friendship machine I would |
1479s | love to thank you um so I'm mainly |
1482s | focusing on factional warfare and uh not |
1485s | just myself but the entire team um |
1488s | really thinks about uh Gathering players |
1492s | in one area of space uh be it because |
1495s | they want them to fight against each |
1497s | other and kill each other or maybe build |
1499s | alliances uh so for example in the war |
1502s | zone we're trying to gather uh the most |
1505s | PVP activities in front lines so that |
1508s | new Eden is such a vast vast universe |
1511s | and it's hard to gather players in um a |
1515s | star system or in in a region so what we |
1518s | really try to do is uh get players |
1521s | together uh have them maybe join an |
1524s | Empire faction as opposed to uh a |
1527s | corporation could cuz that requires a |
1529s | little less commitment like you don't |
1530s | have to stick to a schedule uh but you |
1533s | can still get a chance of uh playing |
1535s | against or with other players um and |
1539s | that's where uh Community begins and |
1541s | maybe uh you want to commit and join a |
1544s | corporation or join an alliance uh so |
1546s | that's what we're trying to do thank you |
1550s | Casal um you know as we said social |
1553s | aspect of EV on line is huge as a season |
1555s | vet of new Eden um is there any any |
1558s | guidance or tips that you would offer to |
1561s | uh non-male Gamers who are considering |
1562s | to dive into the world of Eve online for |
1564s | the first time just do it I mean it's |
1568s | that simple install it it's it's free |
1572s | um you have to reach out and you have to |
1574s | talk to someone because you know trust |
1577s | is one of those things that um you just |
1580s | have to do it yeah it may be broken |
1582s | every now and then but eeve players were |
1585s | really not that big of bad guys you know |
1589s | um I know that I go out I love killing |
1592s | Ventures I'm known for it I get yelled |
1594s | out for it and always at the end you |
1598s | know I'll mail them and give them a |
1600s | little bit of isk and tell them you know |
1602s | this is what you need to do so yeah um |
1606s | even though the majority of the game is |
1609s | male our our characters are our |
1611s | characters and a lot of people don't |
1613s | even look at each other as our |
1614s | characters it's more just you know it's |
1617s | that Ino it's that Lo it's that you know |
1619s | whatever ship is out there um yeah just |
1623s | reach out and talk to people thank you |
1626s | thank you so much and greal kelle had |
1629s | just mentioned trust so in your |
1631s | experience how do you go about |
1633s | establishing and nurturing trust with |
1635s | other players in the complex world that |
1638s | is new Eden good question um it starts |
1641s | with the |
1642s | fleet flying together that's really |
1645s | where it starts because the only way a |
1647s | fleet really does succeed is if |
1649s | everybody trusts that not just what the |
1652s | FC is saying and and deciding but |
1655s | everybody they're flying with um and of |
1658s | course that's also the root of where |
1660s | most of the friendships are built and |
1662s | just get in a fleet fly together over |
1664s | and over and over again I used to say |
1667s | actually I still say it that I can know |
1670s | more about a person in how they are in |
1672s | Fleet than hanging you know than almost |
1675s | anything else in game um how they fly |
1680s | how they interact with everyone else |
1683s | whether or not they listen to me when |
1684s | they should and whether or not they go |
1686s | ahead and do something that is the right |
1687s | thing to do instead of listening to me |
1689s | um you you know oh that was a good |
1692s | tackle even though I said don't tackle |
1694s | them you know all right turned out it |
1696s | was right uh but yeah it starts with the |
1698s | fleet and the fleet is the core of the |
1700s | social experience in Eve and it doesn't |
1702s | matter what kind of Fleet it is I talk |
1704s | about PVP fleets but it could be a |
1705s | mining Fleet it could be a gank Fleet |
1709s | any kind of Fleet that's where |
1711s | everything the root of everything in Eve |
1713s | begins thank you so you heard it here |
1716s | first from two of the most amazing |
1718s | players that we have um just do it and |
1722s | fly a feet so that's how we get new |
1725s | people in the game done |
1729s | done soon as you get somebody into a |
1731s | fleet the more likely they're going to |
1732s | stay in the game and stay in the game |
1734s | and the more often they're in Fleet |
1735s | they're going to stay in the game much |
1737s | longer yeah yeah I think we agree with |
1739s | you well thank you sorry no that's |
1741s | that's I we so true no no sorries here |
1746s | um okay Dy as um a player who identifies |
1750s | as female in the Eve online community |
1753s | could you give your perspective or share |
1755s | any um distinctive experiences that |
1757s | you've gained while playing the |
1760s | game um I say um I would say like |
1765s | finding a group of other women who play |
1768s | the game uh we've had our own little |
1770s | groups or servers where like it's just |
1773s | such a different perspective like I mean |
1775s | most of like the vast majority of people |
1778s | I I talk with or interact with related |
1780s | to Eve are going to be men um but |
1784s | sometimes it is nice just having our own |
1786s | little space where we can you know talk |
1788s | about |
1790s | um just our own things that we can all |
1792s | kind of relate to each other on um I |
1794s | mean I still love my guy friends but |
1796s | it's just different when there's people |
1798s | that like intrinsically like we have |
1801s | things in common just like straight up |
1803s | like I mean we've all dealt with you |
1805s | know guys being stupid to us and um |
1808s | you've you know some some people have |
1811s | been harassed but it's all like we all |
1813s | keep together we're all say like oh that |
1815s | guy was messing with you he's stupid and |
1817s | we all agree on that we can all like |
1819s | support each other um because a lot of |
1823s | us we've been playing games since we |
1825s | were little and we've dealt with this a |
1828s | long time and it's just good to all you |
1832s | know be together and it's very unique |
1835s | especially with Eve um just finding |
1837s | other Gamers that are women and we all |
1840s | just play together thank |
1844s | you um Casal in your experience what |
1847s | kind of support networks or resources |
1849s | have you found valuable in Eve online um |
1853s | and how do they cont contribute to your |
1855s | gaming experience I |
1858s | think for me it was just luck I just |
1861s | happened to fall into the mpsi community |
1865s | and I just happened to fall into the |
1866s | right hands um you know from the day |
1870s | that I wandered in as uh I think I |
1873s | showed up in an Interceptor and he like |
1875s | okay you're going to play Scout today |
1877s | I'm like what I'm only a month and a |
1880s | half old in the game she's like I don't |
1882s | care you're you're an Interceptor you're |
1884s | going to go out and Scout so it's just |
1887s | those type of of um she gave me the room |
1890s | to grow and even you know in my current |
1893s | corporation uh fun ink it's like you can |
1897s | go out and take a fleet out you know it |
1900s | it doesn't matter just take something |
1901s | cheap and |
1904s | um yeah so that's the type of typ thing |
1907s | that I'm trying to put out into the game |
1910s | as well with Eve rookies uh we give a |
1912s | lot of room to people who want an FC or |
1915s | want to try something different to Go |
1917s | and Do It um I only have one female FC |
1922s | out of everyone no sorry two um the rest |
1926s | are male I would love to have more |
1928s | female coming in because uh you know we |
1933s | we can do it just like everybody else so |
1936s | yeah find some place that says you can |
1938s | do it not that you have to do this first |
1941s | this first this first you have to take a |
1943s | 50-page test at the end um it's just |
1946s | really going doing it Wonder thanks |
1951s | ccpsa hi um speaking of building a |
1955s | diverse and inclusive community in Eve |
1957s | Are there specific strategies |
1959s | initiatives or changes that you have |
1961s | championed or been involved in to Foster |
1963s | inclusivity and diversity at in Eve |
1966s | online CCP games yeah so personally I'm |
1970s | a women and games Ambassador so I just |
1972s | really Thrive for this and I think to |
1975s | make Eve more diverse and inclusive it |
1978s | just needs to start with us developers |
1980s | to be more diverse so I've also been |
1983s | taken part in University days talking to |
1986s | students and yeah just show that we're |
1988s | out there and recruit more diverse |
1992s | devs right thank you and actually CCP |
1996s | Moss um around the same from your |
1998s | perspective as Talent acquisition |
2000s | manager uh what are some of the things |
2001s | that you are proud of championing here |
2003s | at CCP to Foster diversity and inclusion |
2008s | yeah thank you um so we do quite a lot |
2011s | of things when it comes to Talent |
2013s | acquisition um it is I'm also women and |
2015s | games Ambassador so we're together on |
2017s | that one um but we also think a lot |
2020s | about you know how can we shift you know |
2023s | um traditionally a lot more men have |
2026s | been entering areas like programming |
2028s | game design all of these things that you |
2030s | often go into making video games so so |
2032s | we and the HR department have been you |
2034s | know focusing on getting more young |
2036s | people in um so really we had like every |
2040s | once in a while we have like a group of |
2042s | teenage girls come in and we'll teach |
2044s | them about you know what is programming |
2046s | what is game making um see all of these |
2048s | wonderful you know people here that are |
2050s | doing that that are just like you um and |
2054s | hopefully this will also create this |
2056s | change uh |
2058s | because we don't have as many women in |
2061s | this industry as we have men and we |
2063s | somehow need to change this and it's |
2066s | going to take a long time but but we are |
2067s | taking a lot of different steps towards |
2070s | that wonderful thank you so |
2072s | much now uh I'm not sure if you've heard |
2075s | of impostor syndrome but impostor |
2077s | syndrome is when you're in a situation |
2080s | and you feel as though you don't belong |
2083s | and even if you do belong you still feel |
2085s | as though you are an impostor and |
2087s | oftentimes um you don't take credit for |
2089s | your own successes because you think |
2091s | they're attributed to other people |
2093s | because again you just don't belong and |
2095s | you're an impostor so CCP Ina many |
2098s | developers in the gaming industry have |
2100s | mentioned that they have experienced |
2102s | imposter syndrome at some point in their |
2104s | careers have you ever felt like you were |
2105s | experiencing impostor syndrome in the |
2107s | gaming industry uh yes I have it |
2110s | actually started very early on in my |
2112s | career so it was on my first job this |
2114s | was not CCP this was another game |
2116s | company and had just started this was my |
2118s | first week and one of my colleagues |
2120s | accident said that I only got hired |
2123s | because I was a girl and that the |
2125s | company needed to increase the amount of |
2127s | feem employees within the company and it |
2129s | didn't feel that great you know uh just |
2131s | starting up you know getting your foot |
2132s | into the industry uh so I felt like I |
2134s | had to do uh you know a lot more and |
2136s | prove myself a lot to earn you know my |
2139s | place there and it didn't help that I |
2141s | was the only girl in a team of 12 uh |
2144s | QA um and I had a meeting after my |
2148s | probation time was over with my manager |
2150s | producer and the higher up and they were |
2152s | there saying that hey you did a great |
2153s | job you have actually you know you |
2155s | managed to do the QA you know |
2157s | much better than maybe many others had |
2159s | done before you but I couldn't hear that |
2161s | all I could hear was blah blah blah |
2162s | you're just one in the statistics in our |
2165s | you know company of female |
2167s | employees um and it didn't uh change |
2170s | until I actually started to talk about |
2172s | it with some of my uh colleagues uh they |
2175s | were saying something giving me some |
2176s | kind of credit for something and I just |
2178s | brush it off like whatever and um then |
2181s | we had a conversation and we realized |
2184s | that this is like you know imposter |
2186s | syndrome and uh that's my advice to any |
2188s | of you who feel like you have that that |
2190s | please uh talk about it it's so |
2193s | important to talk about it for for me it |
2195s | help at least I know it's it's not for |
2196s | everyone everyone is different but yes |
2199s | that that's what I would bring you know |
2201s | to you guys and if you feel like you |
2202s | have that and you would like to talk to |
2204s | me I'm going to be here today tomorrow |
2206s | and through all a FanFest and I would |
2208s | love to you know support in any way |
2210s | possible so yeah thank you so much CCP |
2213s | Zenia may I add something absolutely CCP |
2216s | m um yes so imposter syndrome is also a |
2220s | huge thing as well when it comes to |
2221s | Talent acquisition um so one of the |
2224s | things that we actually do as well to |
2226s | combat that is to you know think about |
2229s | the requirements how we write job ATS to |
2232s | try to make sure that this sounds like a |
2234s | place where women belong and non-binary |
2236s | people belong like people with different |
2238s | genders you know so that you realize |
2242s | that you are a person that can really |
2244s | contribute in this space and this is not |
2247s | not about compromising on Talent it's |
2249s | not about you know lowering requirements |
2251s | in the sense of you know hiring less |
2253s | skilled people it's more about making |
2255s | sure that we speak and show that this is |
2258s | a place where women non-binary people |
2262s | that they are supported they have value |
2264s | they contribute they are important and |
2267s | and this is shown in so many of our |
2269s | different efforts as well because this |
2271s | is a real thing and we encounter this |
2273s | all the time unfortunately thank you CCP |
2276s | m |
2277s | um so similar to impostor syndrome I |
2280s | guess somewhat of a parallel um is only |
2283s | girl syndrome only girl syndrome happens |
2286s | often when you're one or you know one of |
2289s | a couple of women in a group of males |
2293s | and I say women I mean non-male so you |
2296s | are not a male and you're in a group and |
2298s | in this survey we actually asked a |
2301s | question uh it's not up here but uh we |
2303s | asked uh you know out of your friends |
2307s | group in new Eden what percentage of |
2311s | that group is male and a lot of the |
2314s | women's groups were you know 90 95 |
2318s | 99% male so uh we we saw and then we |
2323s | also asked this question have you |
2325s | experienced only girl syndrome which is |
2328s | again being you know one of a few or the |
2330s | only woman in a group which |
2333s | unfortunately leads to some negative |
2335s | consequences so one one it can lead to |
2338s | unwanted attention from other members in |
2341s | the group or |
2342s | microaggressions the other thing which |
2344s | is is a is a phenomenon a little strange |
2347s | but I understand it is the women become |
2350s | more and more competitive against each |
2352s | other because they believe that there's |
2354s | room for only one and so when we ask |
2357s | this question in the survey have you |
2359s | experienced only girl syndrome almost |
2362s | 34s of uh you know non-male respondents |
2366s | said they had experienced that so um GRE |
2370s | girl have you ever experienced only girl |
2374s | syndrome in EV on line and and okay tell |
2379s | us about it and how have you combed it |
2381s | um you know I |
2384s | I I don't know that it for me it was |
2388s | necessarily a negative except that |
2390s | sometimes when other you know women came |
2393s | in when I was not just the I was no |
2397s | longer the queen bee and the solo bee |
2400s | sometimes I may have found myself |
2403s | being um not as not as friendly as I |
2406s | should have been you know viewing them |
2408s | as competition in a way that I shouldn't |
2409s | have you know they you're stepping on my |
2412s | toes man I've been here I've already put |
2414s | in the work I've already done all the |
2416s | you know laid all the groundw work I've |
2418s | already put up with all the and |
2420s | um |
2421s | oops it's okay you |
2423s | know you know how dare you think you can |
2426s | just you know and that is one of the |
2429s | negative sides of only girl syndrome or |
2431s | as I always know it as being the queen |
2433s | bee syndrome you know um but on the |
2437s | other |
2438s | hand Eve because women are so few in |
2442s | Eve being the queen bee is really |
2445s | awesome okay I in many ways women have |
2450s | um because we're such a rare thing in so |
2453s | many ways we have advantages and |
2455s | opportunities that |
2457s | you know just another guy doesn't have |
2459s | no offence and I'm using gender terms |
2461s | and you know kind of just |
2463s | generalizations here |
2467s | um women tend to be more trusted in and |
2471s | also tend to have the ability to advance |
2473s | higher in the hierarchy in Eve and |
2477s | alliances and corporations than we would |
2479s | in other games where gender roles are I |
2482s | mean gender just you know the |
2483s | percentages are more even or at least |
2486s | not only 5 or |
2488s | 7% uh if you look at most of the major |
2492s | alliances in Eve there's a woman high up |
2495s | there who is making things happen that |
2498s | you may not even know exist especially |
2501s | in the logistics area and the |
2502s | administrative areas and stuff and |
2504s | without that woman there the whole thing |
2506s | might fall apart and of course you know |
2509s | some of the most famous scammers that uh |
2511s | in Eve happen to be women and you would |
2514s | never know |
2515s | it okay you know so it's yeah it's it's |
2520s | it's something I still myself um I'm |
2523s | recognizing |
2525s | that um I sometimes am myself play a |
2528s | role |
2529s | [Music] |
2530s | in in that that's not |
2534s | as good as it should be but being aware |
2537s | of it as the first step exactly well |
2539s | thank you so much greo oh well we're |
2542s | almost at time here and I just wanted to |
2545s | let you know that we have wine |
2548s | downstairs in s solaren and uh all of us |
2552s | here on the panel are going to be |
2554s | downstairs so you can come and ask us |
2557s | more questions have a chat with us as |
2559s | CCP zinia said we will all be at FanFest |
2562s | all weekend long so feel free to grab us |
2564s | and say hello um we'll be going through |
2567s | uh the research in more detail so you |
2570s | see this uh beautiful infographic that |
2573s | our fellow mate CCP gner uh put together |
2576s | we'll have printouts of this in the |
2578s | salon as well uh so yeah please |
2581s | definitely feel free to join us but till |
2584s | then we have a few minutes for audience |
2587s | Q&A and I would just ask if you have any |
2592s | questions does anybody have any |
2594s | questions yes let's just uh come over |
2597s | there with the microphone we're coming |
2599s | right over right over |
2605s | there hopefully this thing's |
2608s | working um I was thinking about the eve |
2611s | trailers most of the eve trailers have |
2613s | been male |
2614s | dominated do you think having a |
2617s | non-male character as a main role for |
2620s | them would actually help bring in non- |
2622s | males to the |
2624s | game that is a great question I'm going |
2626s | to pass that along to CCP emeralds who |
2628s | is yeah thank you that's a fantastic |
2630s | question um this is something that we |
2633s | have over the last year been trying to |
2635s | introduce more you'll notice that some |
2637s | of the uh current trailers have uh |
2641s | non-male uh characters being more |
2644s | represented um sorry yeah and um this is |
2648s | something that we are definitely driving |
2651s | driving more of as as well and I can |
2652s | definitely see opportunities to bring |
2654s | more female charact or more female |
2656s | characters or and non-male characters uh |
2658s | into play I think just showing diversity |
2661s | and and um the way we present Eve to the |
2664s | public is important and and hopefully |
2666s | that will uh make people it'll you know |
2669s | inspire people to join the join the |
2672s | game thank you any other questions oh |
2677s | there's one right up |
2678s | here we're we're making sure he gets his |
2681s | steps in today so we'll be right |
2685s | over hi um thanks first of all I'd like |
2689s | to congratulate you this was a fantastic |
2691s | panel thank you very much for putting |
2692s | this on um my question is really around |
2696s | the portrayal of women in games and |
2697s | particularly in Eve online and it seems |
2700s | to me um as a man that a lot of what's |
2704s | presented in terms of female personas is |
2706s | overly sexualized and I wondered what |
2709s | the panel's opinion was on |
2711s | that I think we agree uh but does anyone |
2714s | have any specific uh yeah I think we |
2717s | would agree anyone disagree |
2725s | yeah |
2728s | I think uh we had a question over here I |
2732s | was just going to say to that note um we |
2735s | were working on a I think it was the um |
2738s | Uprising teaser trailer and the |
2740s | character animation for the original |
2743s | version I saw had the most interesting |
2745s | walk that I'd be happy to tell you about |
2747s | later and that we promptly changed |
2751s | out when I first thought I was very |
2754s | shocked demonstrations later in Seeker |
2756s | Saladin so fil make sure you come all |
2760s | right I think we had a question if you |
2761s | raise your hand y right there down here |
2764s | and then one over |
2766s | here |
2769s | and so it seems like there would be an |
2773s | obvious easy uh way to include more |
2777s | diversity which would be just allowing |
2780s | uh male characters and female characters |
2782s | to wear different gender clothes is |
2784s | there a technical issue about why that |
2786s | can't be done or is it just not been |
2788s | thought of which I don't think is and |
2790s | that was in in regards to character |
2793s | characters yes yes yes yes does anyone |
2795s | want to take a question about characters |
2797s | and character creation yeah sound good |
2800s | you're talking about mixing like |
2801s | clothing or something yeah yeah I mean I |
2804s | mean there's nothing in a way of doing |
2806s | it it's just mostly just needing a |
2808s | manpower to actually just make models |
2811s | fit whatever body because the original |
2815s | original body were made they were kind |
2817s | of just like stuck in like certain sizes |
2820s | and certain certain portions and it's |
2824s | basically just like I said it needs |
2825s | manpower to actually just produce them |
2828s | and who knows maybe if people want it |
2830s | then I would think it's a fantastic to |
2832s | actually add more options I Love |
2837s | Options okay I any more questions |
2840s | there's a couple right here yeah one |
2842s | right |
2845s | here |
2848s | hi so I see on this graphic it mentions |
2851s | aesthetic customization as something |
2854s | that um is more interesting to non-male |
2857s | players and I'm I've I've just realized |
2860s | that in all the games that I'm really |
2862s | into that tends to be the motivator is |
2865s | like well if I can work for a faction |
2867s | that will give me clothes for my |
2869s | character to wear to show that I've done |
2871s | the missions working for the faction |
2873s | then that will motivate me to do the |
2875s | thing |
2877s | but there isn't really anything like |
2879s | that in Eve is there a possibility to |
2882s | maybe do something like that where like |
2884s | you know you can get |
2885s | pirate apparel by working for pirates |
2890s | for example yeah yeah I mean let us |
2893s | design our own |
2895s | clothes there we go hair styles can we |
2897s | have curly hair big curly hair new Eden |
2900s | Fashion Week 2024 here we come P ear you |
2903s | know let let players create yeah that's |
2907s | a great idea GRE girl said let players |
2909s | create wonderful did you have something |
2912s | Emerald oh uh just just I think that's a |
2915s | great idea it's definitely a topic of |
2917s | conversation yeah just add thing as a |
2921s | person that grindes every skin in |
2922s | fortnite I agree just grinding grinding |
2926s | new looks is |
2928s | amazing do we have time for another |
2931s | maybe I can add something on that like |
2933s | that's something that we uh often |
2935s | discuss with factional Warfare also for |
2938s | uh rewarding players like Aesthetics is |
2941s | one of the things that comes up more |
2943s | frequently uh because it's just hype uh |
2947s | first of all and it's a way to reward |
2949s | players and also insist on the lore |
2952s | aspect of the game and the role playing |
2954s | because it it's cool if you can show |
2957s | that you're aligned with affection and |
2959s | winning for that faction um and also if |
2962s | you're losing like you still want to |
2964s | take some pride and and show to other |
2967s | players what you're doing in a game so |
2969s | that's something that we keep in our |
2970s | minds for |
2975s | sure one more |
2977s | yeah we can keep going I don't know when |
2980s | they're going to kick us off the stage |
2982s | so okay I I had to write this down |
2985s | because it otherwise it became too |
2988s | difficult um based on the numbers of on |
2990s | the screen non-binary players and female |
2993s | players seem to be more into this social |
2996s | aspect of the game I I get that out of |
2998s | the graphic at bottom left uh but also |
3002s | from role playing uh and part partially |
3005s | that's also the Aesthetics and |
3007s | customization one of the challenges for |
3009s | a new player though is finding social |
3012s | contact yes you have local chat nobody |
3015s | reads it I've have no idea why we still |
3017s | have it I bet I insult people now with |
3019s | that but whatever uh what can CCP and |
3025s | what can Community do to |
3028s | increase the possibilities for a new |
3030s | player in finding that social contact |
3033s | but because in my experience that is key |
3036s | to a have them play keep them playing |
3040s | and keep them around for a long time |
3043s | what what what can we as a community and |
3045s | C what can CCP do in this this |
3050s | aspect yeah hello hi uh I'm a I work on |
3053s | a team which is really focused on new |
3055s | players so this is a question we've been |
3057s | asking ourselves quite a lot um and what |
3060s | we have been kind of trying to do is try |
3062s | to empower the corporations and trying |
3064s | to improve like if there's some UI we |
3066s | can do better and it's a continuous |
3068s | process we work a lot with players like |
3070s | uh Scorpio star has been excellent with |
3073s | um so yeah it's a continuous process um |
3076s | so yeah I don't have a clear answer but |
3078s | yeah we're looking into it yeah I think |
3083s | the other thing on CCP eclipse is team |
3086s | is that you know like GRE G said help |
3089s | them to find other players that they can |
3092s | build trust with fly with you know fight |
3095s | with kill with so you know how do we |
3098s | continue to fuel that friendship machine |
3101s | and uh find vets that can bring some |
3104s | newbies under their |
3107s | wings I have I have something um least |
3110s | in terms of the community like outside |
3112s | of CCP um as someone who's been really |
3115s | involved with just all sorts of |
3117s | community things um without anything |
3120s | super fancy it's just like just reaching |
3122s | out to people saying like I mean I go |
3124s | months without hearing another uh female |
3127s | voice in Fleet commoms and um I think a |
3131s | lot of times like when you see that oh |
3134s | some women don't have only girl syndrome |
3136s | it's a lot of times because they just |
3137s | never speak up you never know there's |
3139s | probably a lot more women that play this |
3140s | game than you ever realize they just |
3143s | they never say anything they're kind of |
3145s | is olated because they're probably shy |
3147s | or they're scared to speak up and then |
3148s | they just kind of fade away because it's |
3150s | not fun for them um so just kind of |
3153s | reaching out to them a lot of times I be |
3155s | like oh you're a girl come join our |
3156s | Discord just first off like one of the |
3159s | first things I say or like I DM them |
3161s | like I hear another girl in Fleet chat |
3162s | I'm like oh my God this's a girl d i I'm |
3165s | gonna DM you in a second like we're |
3167s | gonna talk um so just little things like |
3170s | that just like kind of approaching |
3172s | people even if they might be shy you |
3173s | know it's kind of scary stepping out |
3175s | into the group especially if you might |
3177s | stick up because guys will be like oh my |
3178s | God it's a girl um yeah I've gotten I've |
3183s | gotten that |
3184s | yeah oh it's definitely happened to me |
3187s | yeah |
3189s | um yeah so just like I mean like I said |
3193s | Community with with just women helping |
3195s | each other out even if it's just s such |
3197s | a simple thing as just sending them a |
3199s | message or like even just like chatting |
3202s | them up in game like hey do you need |
3204s | help do you want to like join our group |
3205s | group like my Corporation is pretty cool |
3207s | my alliance has some groups like I I |
3209s | assure you there's some girls there if |
3210s | you want to hang out with us um just |
3213s | doing that kind of thing just reaching |
3214s | out just trying to get some groups I |
3217s | mean if we had better tools that would |
3218s | really be helpful um but just even the |
3222s | little tiniest thing I think can help |
3224s | with |
3225s | that thank you well unfortunately that |
3229s | is time for us here in this room but as |
3232s | I mentioned we will be moving downstairs |
3235s | uh to get to the downstairs room you |
3237s | have to go out the main doors and just |
3239s | go around the corner and that's where |
3241s | you'll see the entrance for Seeker |
3242s | seller in and we would love to continue |
3245s | the conversation with you there before |
3247s | we leave I did forget to read the |
3249s | disclaimer about the research so let me |
3251s | just do that so ccpsa doesn't get mad |
3255s | all analysis shown is based on the |
3257s | survey respondents from the survey we |
3259s | sent out in August |
3261s | 2023 and um they are respondents that |
3263s | consider themselves as active Eve |
3265s | players about |
3267s | 9,000 um and then we shared the numbers |
3270s | of the gender breakout but however as we |
3272s | are not collecting gender as part of our |
3275s | account creation user sign up um this |
3278s | analysis is based solely on the survey |
3283s | just so you know so that was the |
3284s | disclaimer but thank you all for opening |
3287s | your hearts and minds and listening to |
3291s | us share our stories um we really |
3293s | appreciate it as you said this is not |
3296s | going to be the last you hear from us |
3298s | the women and non-m males of Eve so um |
3302s | thank you and fly safe in new Eden |
3305s | thanks for joining us |
3306s | [Applause] |
3312s | [Music] |
3320s | today |