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| 34s | good evening good morning wherever you |
| 36s | are in the world and welcome once again |
| 38s | to the alliance tournament here on |
| 41s | twitch.com |
| 43s | and we are starting off Alliance |
| 46s | tournament 18. it's finally here with |
| 49s | the trial so this is essentially a |
| 52s | replacement for the feed around so the |
| 54s | teams that didn't make it into the main |
| 56s | Alliance tournament either by not |
| 58s | getting an invite uh due to not |
| 60s | finishing top three in the anger games |
| 62s | or Alliance tournament 17 our team |
| 64s | suggest didn't have enough money to just |
| 66s | buy their way in with the silent auction |
| 68s | uh we have a whole bunch of teams 35 |
| 70s | competing for seven spots in the |
| 74s | alliance tournament and conveniently uh |
| 76s | there is seven tribes in the Minotaur uh |
| 80s | primitar group so each of those tribes |
| 83s | is going to have little uh group Death |
| 84s | Match and each of those tribes I'm going |
| 86s | to put one team four forward for the |
| 89s | alliance tournament |
| 90s | of course |
| 91s | um if you come second in your group it's |
| 93s | not uh not the end of the world you're |
| 95s | not completely out there is a remaining |
| 96s | tribe who will be putting forward the |
| 98s | winner in a Redemption Arc I'm ethical |
| 101s | Hulk I am joined by some incredibly |
| 104s | talented people uh black part pirate and |
| 106s | mystical might uh Bart how are you today |
| 110s | I'm doing pretty good I think uh speak |
| 113s | for all the U.S times when people that |
| 114s | some of us are up pretty early for |
| 116s | Saturday especially since we're all you |
| 118s | know Eve Gamers so but super happy to be |
| 120s | here glad the tournament's back and uh |
| 122s | ready to watch some explosions |
| 124s | awesome and someone who doesn't have to |
| 126s | be up early today uh mystical mate how |
| 129s | are you |
| 130s | it's still early in the day for me uh |
| 132s | you know yeah I'm really excited to see |
| 134s | some really good games today fingers |
| 135s | crossed I'll be interesting to see uh |
| 138s | where team's heads are at really with |
| 140s | the meta |
| 142s | um and whether they're going to feel |
| 143s | some interesting comes to some |
| 144s | interesting bands already so we'll see |
| 146s | if that carries forward |
| 148s | yeah this is going to be it's actually |
| 149s | our first look at what the meta for |
| 151s | Alliance number in 18 may end up looking |
| 153s | like |
| 155s | um unlike previous Alliance tournament |
| 157s | feed around it's not a one and done it |
| 159s | is um a series of matches in those |
| 161s | groups uh with the the leader of in |
| 163s | standings going forward |
| 166s | um that's a bit of a change from |
| 167s | previous years as mentioned no longer |
| 168s | best of one Bart do you think that we |
| 170s | will see teams still being conservative |
| 172s | with what they bring you know hoping not |
| 174s | to give away too much information before |
| 176s | they get to the main tournament or do |
| 177s | you think it's still going to be hey we |
| 179s | we really need to win as much as |
| 180s | possible here |
| 182s | I mean I I think that it really does |
| 184s | depend on the teams um but I don't think |
| 187s | that you are going to really hold back |
| 188s | you know you have I think at least four |
| 191s | games that you're playing no matter what |
| 193s | like even if you go you lose almost |
| 195s | every game I think if you lose every |
| 197s | game you're going into three games maybe |
| 199s | four depending on the bracket so you |
| 201s | can't really hold back like you have |
| 203s | four different you can see people's meta |
| 205s | evolve throughout the tournament just |
| 207s | because they're gonna be playing so much |
| 208s | uh I do think we're gonna see some |
| 210s | really weird stuff some really |
| 211s | interesting stuff and you know hopefully |
| 213s | uh get a good idea of what November is |
| 215s | going to look like |
| 218s | yeah and our first couple of matches are |
| 220s | literally minutes away |
| 222s | um as I see teams have literally just |
| 224s | landed on grid as I say that |
| 226s | um for the first match of Alliance |
| 228s | tournament 18 trials uh it's gonna be |
| 230s | all Hilton app versus the network let's |
| 232s | take a quick look at the band for this |
| 234s | match coming up uh Misty what have we |
| 237s | seen here in terms of bands looks like |
| 238s | uh also now Banning the Battleground and |
| 240s | the bar guest and the network band is |
| 242s | slipping out in the abandoned what's |
| 243s | what's your takeaway here |
| 245s | I mean these are all typically strong |
| 247s | ships from the previous tournaments that |
| 249s | we've seen uh the balgorn I think is |
| 251s | always the boogeyman any team coming |
| 253s | into the at just because of the |
| 255s | combination of strong newts and long |
| 256s | range webs but the bar guest is pretty |
| 259s | flexible we saw lots of Flagship I guess |
| 261s | last year and the slept near is usually |
| 262s | the linchpin ship in a typical mimitar |
| 265s | rush so it looks like they're just |
| 267s | trying to cover all their bases for the |
| 269s | first match of this Alliance tournament |
| 270s | at least the feeders or trials |
| 274s | um and yeah we'll see how it develops |
| 275s | over time whether these bands are really |
| 277s | the ones that teams will continue to go |
| 278s | for when uh the meta sells out a little |
| 281s | bit |
| 282s | awesome well um we're almost ready to go |
| 284s | to the arena so we will go in probably |
| 286s | about 30 seconds but I just want to take |
| 288s | a moment to remind you guys uh that you |
| 290s | can choose to completely spunk your |
| 292s | channel points up the wall and bet on |
| 295s | your team's uh in twitch right now uh |
| 298s | and there's a whole bunch of prizes uh |
| 300s | that you can redeem skins and I've heard |
| 302s | rumors there might be more prizes coming |
| 304s | at some point later and maybe in the |
| 306s | main tournament itself so make sure you |
| 307s | get in deck those uh those matches and |
| 310s | see uh if you can get any right I know I |
| 312s | will get most of them wrong |
| 314s | um but there's time to find out so let |
| 317s | us go to the first match of the alliance |
| 319s | tournament 18 feeders all hill now |
| 321s | versus the network with your casters |
| 323s | Wagner cross and Jin tan |
| 331s | hello everyone and welcome to the arena |
| 334s | we are going to have a really |
| 335s | interesting and possibly quite slow |
| 337s | paced match here as we have a drone kite |
| 339s | set up coming up against a missile kite |
| 342s | setup what do you think are going to be |
| 344s | the the key pieces in this match |
| 347s | I think the very start we're going to |
| 348s | see all the ishtars at the Alexa and the |
| 350s | EOS is dropping drones and setting them |
| 351s | probably directly onto that Scimitar but |
| 353s | from there it's going to be what Target |
| 355s | calls are made both teams have splurged |
| 357s | on the t2 logic Cruisers so it's |
| 359s | definitely going to be like can they |
| 360s | break through targets also there's |
| 363s | there's both the stalk and a Nighthawk |
| 365s | on the uh on the Shield team which is I |
| 368s | don't know that's they're really |
| 369s | committed to the links |
| 372s | yeah meanwhile we've got two eos's there |
| 374s | for the uh or our hail Gnar team so |
| 377s | things should be quite spicy that's the |
| 378s | match is started you can see all of |
| 380s | those Shield kite ships just moving |
| 382s | towards the opposite direction it's just |
| 384s | going to be a question of whether |
| 385s | they're able to kill off this tackle I |
| 387s | think that's going to be the key part of |
| 388s | this match here can they kill off this |
| 390s | tackle before it lands on top of them as |
| 391s | it heads towards it that hyena really |
| 393s | low and dead already |
| 395s | that did not take long at all and all |
| 398s | these drones which are rushing in trying |
| 399s | to get into range |
| 400s | not seeing any drones really out at the |
| 402s | moment so they haven't got anything yet |
| 403s | meanwhile the Confessor is now being |
| 404s | primary of course rapid lights in these |
| 406s | caracals and Osprey Navy is just going |
| 407s | to rip these things apart even under TT |
| 410s | lodgy reps it's just you can't hold |
| 413s | us like this um |
| 415s | it looks like this hyena from Noir is |
| 418s | doing a really really good job just |
| 419s | sitting there screening tapping Target |
| 420s | paints and stuff like that that said |
| 422s | look at all these shits they are the |
| 423s | ishtars now they're in the middle of the |
| 425s | uh blob of Shield ships they're starting |
| 428s | to push everything away they might be |
| 429s | fit with newts and if they are if |
| 430s | they'll allow them to play this really |
| 431s | aggressively as they come in and there |
| 433s | we go heavy drones are on the field now |
| 434s | as well so a lot of DPS is going to |
| 436s | start getting put out here |
| 437s | it's just a question of whether they uh |
| 439s | whether this rlml team can successfully |
| 442s | break tackles here |
| 444s | but I believe there's also newts on is |
| 446s | that the EOS no never mind there's a |
| 448s | direct maybe newting something I think |
| 450s | in the next time doing so yeah they've |
| 451s | got newts in this comp so let's see what |
| 453s | that can do but obviously the Scimitar |
| 455s | is playing smart and staying well away |
| 457s | from the situation |
| 459s | which means you have to go to the |
| 460s | Breakthrough ships under a scimitar reps |
| 463s | yeah you can see that they've only got |
| 465s | effectively two offensive tackle ships |
| 467s | left now it's vipple and the Confessor |
| 468s | Shawna alabel in the vexer is just |
| 471s | sitting on top of their neros preparing |
| 472s | to screen it if anything else Dives in |
| 475s | um not really willing to burn into the |
| 478s | heat of those heavy missiles which it |
| 479s | would die to you very very quickly that |
| 481s | said Robert Mason now he's out of |
| 483s | shields the DPS is starting to do work |
| 485s | here for the Drone kite team |
| 488s | more and more |
| 491s | and that's going to be pretty painful |
| 492s | for this Shield cut team losing that |
| 494s | much DPS as well as a pretty sizable |
| 495s | ship even with your Scimitar still on |
| 497s | grid that's that's going to hurt sure |
| 499s | the other team has lost a bunch of |
| 500s | tackle but that's a painful loss as the |
| 502s | Drake maybe goes down oh the hyena looks |
| 505s | like it's tackled by the Confessor as |
| 506s | well if they can pull some DPS onto that |
| 508s | and kill it off quickly that's going to |
| 509s | really really harm this HML application |
| 512s | here that said the neros it doesn't look |
| 514s | like he's been caught but they're just |
| 516s | able to project onto him here they might |
| 519s | be able to kill this and neros before |
| 520s | he's able to burn away |
| 522s | yeah I get what they're going for |
| 523s | they're trying to kill off tackle first |
| 524s | and then go for this oneris but now |
| 526s | they've uh got some of the stuff tackled |
| 527s | might as well kill the Americas now and |
| 529s | honestly if they can do that they start |
| 530s | pulling apart these ishtars and or even |
| 532s | that free vexer kill that's sitting |
| 533s | there |
| 534s | so they gotta get the nurse and he's |
| 535s | tanking he's tanking very well |
| 538s | he's attacking very well but he's not |
| 540s | really burning away I don't think he |
| 541s | thinks it's worth it yeah there we go |
| 543s | though DPS now landing on the Scimitar |
| 546s | it looks like we're going for a |
| 546s | logistics trade here uh our hell Nara |
| 549s | significantly behind on it but those |
| 551s | drones will play out better in a late |
| 554s | game where you can sit on jump beacons |
| 555s | and just project across the arena |
| 557s | without really worrying about where your |
| 559s | project where your position |
| 561s | the one on the nearest Kobe doesn't |
| 562s | doesn't like doesn't like being tackled |
| 564s | particularly well the Scimitar really |
| 565s | doesn't like being tackled it's being |
| 567s | held down by two ishars now who are |
| 568s | probably trying to Newt it out maybe |
| 570s | even remove the Adaptive off of it as |
| 572s | well now neuros is getting close to |
| 573s | going down they could maybe break |
| 575s | through them |
| 576s | but they need to be quick because the |
| 577s | Scimitar is on borrowed time |
| 580s | well we can actually see Heavy Armor |
| 581s | maintenance spots on this scenario |
| 582s | somehow they've managed to actually find |
| 585s | some room in the drones uh in the Drone |
| 587s | ships to fit those in and keep it alive |
| 589s | just a bit a little bit longer there we |
| 590s | go we see the Scimitar finally going |
| 592s | down and the ineros is burning away from |
| 594s | the fight now they might not even be |
| 595s | able to project onto him oh as I say |
| 597s | that Caster curse goes down |
| 601s | those are some light the vects are |
| 603s | actually brought it's pretty much the |
| 604s | standard vexer uh Loadout of drones all |
| 608s | of it was rep drones there he brought |
| 609s | like two Heavies two mediums and a light |
| 610s | to try and repair that on Euros but it |
| 612s | was just a bit too late |
| 614s | but luckily two teams have downloaded |
| 616s | the logic now so now at the race |
| 618s | what do you think about this cool to go |
| 619s | on the Nighthawk here rather than the |
| 621s | squishier Drake Navy issue or even the |
| 623s | Osprey Navy shooter potentially protect |
| 625s | the attack was swinger |
| 627s | I'm not the biggest fan but people they |
| 629s | might be seeing something different |
| 630s | maybe they had him tackled they thought |
| 631s | miles will go for him I would I would |
| 633s | agree I would probably start nuking |
| 634s | characters if you can get your hands on |
| 636s | them of course but they are quite a good |
| 638s | distance away that being said of uh |
| 640s | cavegi is actually just tackled down one |
| 642s | of the caracals so I suspect the caracal |
| 645s | Navy of Ikea will be the next Target as |
| 647s | he's now currently held down |
| 651s | yeah it looks like this is more of a |
| 652s | drone aggro team than the Drone kite |
| 654s | team that we thought at the start of |
| 656s | this match uh the Ishtar is finally |
| 658s | getting tickled but he's gonna have an |
| 659s | ADC to protect himself for a few seconds |
| 661s | here uh by his team a lot more time |
| 665s | um as you can see the rest of the kite |
| 667s | team though they're scattering now |
| 668s | they're starting to move towards these |
| 669s | different jump beacons and make it as |
| 671s | difficult as possible for this drone |
| 673s | block to catch them it's going to cause |
| 675s | a lot of delay between the target |
| 676s | changes on uh as we go later on in this |
| 679s | match as a caracal Navy finally goes |
| 681s | down there as well so that's uh |
| 684s | do they have anything tackled anywhere I |
| 687s | think so actually yeah they've scattered |
| 689s | entirely and nothing's held down so at |
| 690s | this point that was looking pretty bad |
| 692s | for the Shield team but now they've |
| 693s | actually got distance they've got the |
| 695s | hyena still on field that's constantly |
| 696s | keeping control and a carriage was just |
| 698s | damping things out they're actually in a |
| 700s | pretty good spot All Things Considered |
| 702s | even with you know the loss of a good |
| 705s | chunk of their comp |
| 706s | this is interesting this could actually |
| 708s | go either way right now depending on the |
| 709s | pilots |
| 711s | yeah there's gonna have to be a lot of |
| 712s | really good work done here by the |
| 714s | frigates though they they are pretty |
| 715s | much safe as long as they don't get too |
| 717s | close to that Vector but they need to |
| 719s | have as much impact as possible on this |
| 720s | match |
| 722s | okay |
| 727s | uh it looks kind of like carvagi is not |
| 729s | going to be very very long for this one |
| 731s | oh no he's successfully mjd'd he's no |
| 732s | longer taking DPS he managed to escape |
| 735s | oh yeah this is the downside of playing |
| 737s | a kite comp if you can't lock down a |
| 739s | Target they can use these ngd because |
| 741s | they're scattered across the arena to |
| 743s | just move 100 kilometers away and that |
| 746s | is pretty much out of the weapon range |
| 747s | of anything realistically brought in the |
| 749s | tournament |
| 751s | and look at the reptons from the Vex are |
| 753s | now coming over to help out the ishtay |
| 755s | like this vexer is basically just a |
| 756s | logic vexer now with his rep Wing let's |
| 759s | go buddy hell yeah I love this |
| 763s | is |
| 765s | going down |
| 768s | this is actually a really commanding |
| 769s | position now for our hail na uh as they |
| 772s | work their way through that final top |
| 773s | end DPS ship uh without that oh how not |
| 776s | is gonna have sorry without that Noir is |
| 778s | gonna have a real real bad time if |
| 780s | they're trying to break these uh break |
| 782s | these Cruisers |
| 787s | you've got to say |
| 790s | oh yeah it's it's honestly like seeing a |
| 792s | uh a drone rush and then having like the |
| 795s | vexer which is you think is just more |
| 796s | drones no no he's he's like a support |
| 798s | vexer as well as having some DPS I I |
| 800s | Honestly Love Like the match up here |
| 802s | I st I kind of feel like no one might |
| 804s | have tossed on the table a few times |
| 805s | there like surely you could you know |
| 807s | jump away yourself and try and keep away |
| 808s | you've got the the hyena still on grid |
| 810s | you should be providing control right |
| 812s | now |
| 813s | but they're just getting caught way too |
| 815s | easily |
| 819s | can get out of there my man run |
| 822s | even if he does there's not much that |
| 824s | that can really do you know they're |
| 826s | gonna have about 120 kilometers and out |
| 828s | there he is they've just converged on |
| 830s | him he's scrammed down he's new he got |
| 831s | caught by once at the same moment |
| 836s | you're caught the exact same taken by |
| 838s | two different ishtars my man |
| 841s | I absolutely love the piloting here from |
| 843s | our hill now though they've been doing |
| 844s | really well about spreading their |
| 846s | approaches into different directions and |
| 848s | then converging on a target from that we |
| 850s | have good fights put out in local here |
| 852s | from our hail uh sorry from the network |
| 855s | uh seems like they have effectively |
| 857s | given up in this match you can see a |
| 859s | couple of people heading towards the |
| 860s | very edge of the arena there we'll see |
| 862s | if anyone goes and manages to hit a long |
| 863s | jump record but really really excellent |
| 867s | execution there I hope we I look forward |
| 873s | yeah they use the newts really really |
| 875s | effectively there just to turn off all |
| 877s | of the hardness of uh the heavy DPS |
| 881s | ships from the network and that it |
| 884s | turned out was just the crucial Factor |
| 885s | they were never going to be able to |
| 887s | really out kite them in a long game so |
| 889s | they held off but in a little bit |
| 892s | managed to make a few key catches and |
| 894s | then from there turned the game on uh to |
| 896s | their side |
| 897s | random question do you think those one |
| 900s | of those maybe had a skirmish link or |
| 901s | two to try and make their guys go even |
| 902s | faster because they were catching things |
| 904s | really well in these ish Stars |
| 907s | almost certainly but I'd be surprised if |
| 909s | the uh if the network didn't have a |
| 911s | skirmish link of their own at least |
| 912s | rapid deployment |
| 915s | uh tackle ishtars what a day we live in |
| 919s | yeah it looks like we're gonna just see |
| 921s | uh See the the network team here just |
| 923s | play out the clock demonstrate to us how |
| 926s | bad Cruisers typically are at catching |
| 928s | frigates uh and zip around the arena not |
| 931s | being caught for a while so we have a |
| 932s | bit more time to talk about this match |
| 935s | um this is why we've seen quite a lot of |
| 937s | EOS bands in scrims for myself that |
| 940s | obviously we finally see someone |
| 941s | boundary |
| 942s | uh I've seen a lot of EOS bands because |
| 944s | without the EOS this composition just |
| 946s | really really struggles you don't have |
| 948s | enough ships that can bring a full |
| 950s | complement of heavy drones and uh |
| 952s | effectively put out enough DPS to break |
| 954s | a logistics |
| 956s | the only thing I've seen that |
| 958s | potentially comes close to it is that |
| 959s | the occasional Proteus comp |
| 962s | which has been recently lost |
| 967s | I really hope we see one or two of those |
| 970s | yeah well the stalk is about to leave |
| 972s | the arena and there we go |
| 976s | yep that's game so let's head it back to |
| 978s | the studio where they can tell us even |
| 980s | more about what's happened here and what |
| 981s | we have to expect |
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| 1011s | save the life of a high SEC minor |
| 1019s | foreign |
| 1051s | take a win over the network |
| 1054s | um looks like you guys out in |
| 1056s | Deutschland didn't expect that most of |
| 1057s | you voting for the network most of you |
| 1060s | wrong |
| 1061s | um which is unfortunate as all your |
| 1062s | points have gone goodbye mystical might |
| 1065s | uh what happened there looked like the |
| 1067s | network we're in a good position |
| 1068s | um I saw that the cemetery was tackled |
| 1071s | like where did it all go wrong for them |
| 1074s | I think you kind of pointed out where it |
| 1076s | went wrong for the network |
| 1078s | um PVP and I were just chatting in the |
| 1080s | back channels and he pointed out that |
| 1082s | primering the Haida on the network side |
| 1084s | was a really good first move because it |
| 1087s | effectively allows them to kite around |
| 1089s | the arena without those long-range webs |
| 1090s | on grid so theoretically they'd be able |
| 1093s | to stay away from that drone setup that |
| 1095s | we saw unfortunately I don't think they |
| 1098s | really had a chance to utilize their |
| 1101s | hyena as effectively as perhaps they |
| 1102s | should have but when you're going up |
| 1104s | against so many ships all with tackle |
| 1106s | and newts it is really difficult to keep |
| 1108s | them away from all of the important |
| 1110s | ships on your side so we saw these |
| 1112s | people and a couple ishtars get on top |
| 1114s | of the Scimitar and I think that's |
| 1116s | really where it went downhill |
| 1117s | importantly these the ishtars both had |
| 1120s | medium newts I would assume maybe some |
| 1123s | Smalls as well and that would |
| 1125s | effectively remove the Scimitar from |
| 1126s | play completely as it wouldn't have |
| 1128s | capacitor to run its reps |
| 1131s | um so yeah I think that's really where |
| 1132s | it began to go downhill for the network |
| 1135s | and bbp |
| 1137s | um you mentioned um obviously that how |
| 1140s | you know being headshot at the start why |
| 1142s | is it why is it such an important ship |
| 1143s | to her you know in comps like this |
| 1146s | uh so you know they're they're running a |
| 1149s | drone setup and they're using mostly |
| 1151s | heavy drones which uh well they have |
| 1154s | pretty uh they don't really have issues |
| 1155s | applying too much except for like you |
| 1157s | know a oversized a b Lodge you forget uh |
| 1159s | they are kind of slow uh so having the |
| 1162s | hyena you know they got Target painters |
| 1164s | um I obviously we don't know what their |
| 1165s | fit is but I can assume it probably had |
| 1167s | at least two uh pretty long range cases |
| 1169s | webifiers so taking that out as a kiting |
| 1172s | team which the network hypothetically |
| 1174s | was would allow them to run away um |
| 1176s | obviously you know like Misty said every |
| 1179s | single ship on ahel nella's team was a |
| 1182s | tackle ship I'm guessing the ishtars |
| 1184s | probably were scram web fit they |
| 1185s | definitely had nudes but you know yes |
| 1188s | the you're probably not going to get |
| 1189s | away with it Nighthawk I do feel that |
| 1192s | the network probably under utilized |
| 1194s | their own carries and their own hyena |
| 1198s | um I think that you know there's a |
| 1199s | moment that when the Network's Scimitar |
| 1202s | got tackled where uh Misty mentioned |
| 1205s | this in our little back action but maybe |
| 1207s | the carries and the hyena could have |
| 1209s | combined to like web the web the simple |
| 1211s | off the Scimitar use the carries damps |
| 1214s | to make it so the owneros had to come in |
| 1216s | closer so they could have killed it |
| 1217s | earlier |
| 1218s | um it was a pretty rough one though I |
| 1220s | think that maybe they weren't |
| 1221s | necessarily outplayed but |
| 1223s | drones have always been traditionally |
| 1225s | really good against uh damping setup so |
| 1228s | the carries as damps were really that |
| 1230s | good due to drone assist and then just |
| 1232s | the oh hell now is just really good |
| 1234s | tackling made it so that the kiting team |
| 1236s | wasn't able to kite |
| 1239s | you mentioned damps and it's probably |
| 1242s | time to talk about the elephant in the |
| 1244s | room uh mystical night dance what's |
| 1245s | changed in Alliance tournament 18 versus |
| 1247s | Alliance tournament 17 with respect to |
| 1249s | dams |
| 1251s | yes uh not just stamps but most scripted |
| 1254s | e-war modules I believe |
| 1255s | um or all scripted equal modules so in |
| 1258s | the previous Alliance tournament and in |
| 1259s | some of the tournaments before that you |
| 1261s | could bring damps you could bring track |
| 1264s | and disruptors or missile guidance |
| 1265s | disrupters but you weren't allowed to |
| 1267s | bring a script to make it extremely |
| 1269s | powerful at disrupting one specific |
| 1271s | thing so you could use a damp and it |
| 1274s | would lower the lock or rather it would |
| 1276s | raise the lock time for the Hostile ship |
| 1279s | and it would also reduce the lock range |
| 1281s | now in 8018 that restriction has been |
| 1285s | removed so you can now script your damps |
| 1288s | or your track and disruptors if you want |
| 1290s | to |
| 1291s | um to specifically reduce you know lock |
| 1293s | range in this instance is what I think |
| 1296s | would have been useful if they were able |
| 1298s | to slap a bunch of lock range damps on |
| 1301s | the ineros then it may have I've broken |
| 1303s | the anaris's lock on the sweeper when |
| 1305s | they were primaring it and they would |
| 1306s | have been able to kill it you know these |
| 1307s | important little things they can try and |
| 1309s | play around with now so that is one of |
| 1311s | the major changes that's why installment |
| 1314s | and Bart do you think that's going to be |
| 1316s | something that we're going to see really |
| 1317s | influence the meta in Alliance |
| 1319s | tournament 18 the prevalence of uh |
| 1322s | scripted dance |
| 1325s | I I really do uh obviously we will see |
| 1327s | what people choose to bring in the |
| 1329s | feeders which can always be a little bit |
| 1332s | of a toss-up since we do have some teams |
| 1334s | that have never competed before but |
| 1336s | scripted damps haven't been in for |
| 1338s | several tournaments I believe that there |
| 1340s | was a reason for that which was at the |
| 1342s | time that was kind of the meta was to |
| 1344s | just bring a ton of them and make it so |
| 1346s | people couldn't enjoy their lock range |
| 1348s | in any way shape or form so now that |
| 1351s | they're back I fully expect to see some |
| 1352s | like absolutely absurd you know maybe 15 |
| 1355s | scripted dance and you're able to lock |
| 1358s | two kilometers out setups coming out of |
| 1360s | your uh obviously we haven't quite |
| 1362s | really seen that yet but we've also |
| 1364s | we're only one match in so we'll see |
| 1365s | what happens for the rest of the day |
| 1366s | yeah don't don't give people ideas |
| 1368s | please |
| 1370s | yeah as uh as fellow lock range enjoyers |
| 1373s | I'm sure many many competitors out there |
| 1375s | are going to be uh quite upset when they |
| 1378s | can just not lock anything in particular |
| 1380s | matches I'm looking forward to it |
| 1382s | um so that was of course the network |
| 1383s | dropping a match to all hill now they're |
| 1385s | not out of the feeders uh they have time |
| 1387s | to feed again |
| 1389s | um as they are in a grip stage with a |
| 1391s | couple of other teams all hill now uh |
| 1393s | Prismatic Legion shut up I'm trying |
| 1397s | um we from blob because uh yeah that's |
| 1399s | and a bunch more uh there's a whole |
| 1401s | bunch of teams uh in each of those |
| 1404s | tribes that's not what I'm looking for |
| 1405s | uh and they are all going to be |
| 1407s | competing multiple times so we will see |
| 1408s | the network again so they have time to |
| 1410s | go away and think about what they're |
| 1412s | doing in life now let us uh move forward |
| 1415s | look at the next match which is only a |
| 1417s | few minutes away it's going to be |
| 1418s | Prismatic Legion uh versus shut up and |
| 1420s | trying in soccer Group B and make sure |
| 1423s | you check out uh the challenge brackets |
| 1425s | by the way I'm sure there's some sort of |
| 1427s | uh exclamation mark command in twitch so |
| 1429s | you can get them up or someone will put |
| 1430s | the link in and then you can see what on |
| 1432s | Earth we're talking about so Prismatic |
| 1434s | Legion |
| 1435s | um Bart they're choosing to ban the |
| 1437s | balgorn and the EOS interesting choice |
| 1439s | they're taking some links off the field |
| 1441s | shut up I'm trying a great name uh |
| 1443s | Banning the Nightmare and the |
| 1444s | thunderchild the thunderchild bar what |
| 1447s | is going on here |
| 1449s | uh I the only thing I can think of is |
| 1452s | that |
| 1463s | hello ladies and gentlemen it is me |
| 1465s | Ithaca Hawk streaming from my own |
| 1467s | computer as an emergency backup uh from |
| 1471s | our producer Mr brj who has suffered |
| 1473s | some technical issues |
| 1475s | um so this is uh now a scuffed stream |
| 1478s | and we are going to be uh doing our best |
| 1480s | to get the mainstream back online as |
| 1482s | soon as possible good news everybody |
| 1485s | um we're at least back and also in the |
| 1487s | next match seriously suspicious versus |
| 1489s | the minions |
| 1490s | um the minions have actually |
| 1491s | unfortunately had to Forfeit so we will |
| 1493s | be able to get back on schedule uh for |
| 1495s | the match hole control versus bright |
| 1496s | side of death but in the meantime |
| 1500s | um let's see if we can get a match |
| 1504s | underways it's going to be really hard |
| 1505s | for you to see what's going on because I |
| 1508s | only have one client running I don't |
| 1509s | have the fancy stuff going on board so |
| 1511s | you're gonna have to bear with us |
| 1513s | um but I think the countdown should be |
| 1514s | coming pretty soon |
| 1517s | um |
| 1518s | um I'm just going to cast this with um I |
| 1520s | see CCP Swift is here with me hello CC |
| 1522s | Swift how are you |
| 1526s | I'm doing great |
| 1528s | um we're really excited for this one |
| 1530s | we've got some uh pretty funky teams |
| 1533s | coming up here I am very partial to the |
| 1536s | Prismatic Legion team I like what |
| 1538s | they're throwing out here |
| 1540s | yeah awesome so I'm waiting for the |
| 1542s | counter to come in local |
| 1544s | um and I'll do my best with that with |
| 1546s | volume I am literally doing this |
| 1548s | as we go |
| 1552s | uh no pressure uh but we just go quickly |
| 1554s | through it uh uh the uh Prismatic Legion |
| 1558s | team which you'll see in red has a |
| 1560s | Vindicator Navy Mega Navy brutics brutix |
| 1563s | Navy executor vexer Navy issue enyo uh |
| 1568s | vexer and then two bombers so they're |
| 1569s | going no lodging whatsoever uh pure |
| 1572s | Blaster Rush DPS |
| 1575s | yeah I mean this is a certainly an |
| 1577s | interesting comp from uh from shut up |
| 1579s | I'm trying as well uh double bar I Got7 |
| 1582s | Oracle star kind of carries uh they seem |
| 1584s | to have just forgotten that they are |
| 1586s | allowed to bring out to 10 Pilots |
| 1588s | choosing and not to do that |
| 1590s | um and that will be uh I mean it's a lot |
| 1592s | of damage coming out to a bar I guess a |
| 1594s | lot of reps coming out of a scimitar and |
| 1595s | of course that Rook is going to be able |
| 1597s | to put out a lot of jamming power uh |
| 1599s | personally I'm interested to see if they |
| 1601s | can just kite away from this uh this |
| 1604s | Blaster Rush what are you thinking |
| 1608s | um I think uh stuff is gonna die really |
| 1610s | quick I'm not sure if the blue team is |
| 1613s | is trying super hard uh maybe they know |
| 1616s | something we don't uh in that the with |
| 1618s | their their super core but if they can |
| 1621s | stay away and if they can kite perfectly |
| 1623s | and if Prismatic Legion or |
| 1626s | um uh fitting something uh incredibly |
| 1629s | awkward |
| 1630s | then I think they've got a pretty good |
| 1632s | chance |
| 1633s | yeah I mean I'm gonna have to apologize |
| 1635s | to the viewers as well we're not gonna |
| 1636s | be able to get colors in the brackets |
| 1637s | normally this is look behind the curtain |
| 1639s | but normally we crop this part out of |
| 1640s | the bottom of the screen and then we |
| 1642s | overlay a separate overlay |
| 1644s | um from a separate client which shows |
| 1646s | the different colors so you're gonna |
| 1647s | have to bear with us here these are I'll |
| 1650s | take you through it with my beautiful |
| 1651s | voice right the The Blob in the middle |
| 1653s | that's the Prismatic Legion team uh they |
| 1655s | are currently rushing at the shut up I'm |
| 1657s | trying team right now the shut up and |
| 1659s | trying team worked in at 50. Prismatic |
| 1661s | Legion warped in at zero |
| 1664s | yeah I mean that's kind of what you want |
| 1666s | to do if you want to rush in on top of |
| 1668s | someone with a whole tanked Rush comp |
| 1669s | that annual though uh getting drunk |
| 1671s | pretty hard but look at that bar guest |
| 1673s | of CJ he has got all the effects landing |
| 1675s | on him there webbed uh grappled wrapped |
| 1678s | as well which is nice for him and I see |
| 1680s | a whole bunch of drones flying around as |
| 1682s | well uh some of them these Imperial |
| 1683s | neighbor uh guys do nothing and these |
| 1685s | light Shield maintenance but it's also |
| 1686s | doing nothing |
| 1688s | uh yeah it looks like The Rook is damped |
| 1691s | out completely so he cannot get a jam |
| 1693s | off as we can see the control bar on |
| 1696s | that blue side is incredibly small |
| 1699s | um you know you would expect them to be |
| 1700s | exerting quite a bit more but looks like |
| 1703s | the vexer is going to go down pretty |
| 1704s | quickly here uh so shut up I'm trying do |
| 1707s | actually get first blood as they're |
| 1709s | about to trade their Bargas out though |
| 1710s | yeah not a great trade losing a bar gas |
| 1713s | for a lowly vexer uh and that bar gas is |
| 1715s | a bit good then there he goes uh the |
| 1718s | problem with bringing on demand comp is |
| 1720s | obviously you can bring lots of heavy |
| 1721s | ships however when they go down you lose |
| 1723s | a larger portion of your comp entirely |
| 1725s | so that second bar guy is now choosing |
| 1728s | to sit completely stationary and just |
| 1729s | eat damage from these whole tank Blaster |
| 1732s | Rush bold move |
| 1734s | yeah we talked a bit about uh how dams |
| 1737s | were gonna play a big role in this uh |
| 1738s | tournament uh at least how we suspected |
| 1741s | it now you see the Shadow from trying |
| 1742s | team did bring a carries which is one of |
| 1744s | the better damping platforms uh |
| 1746s | unfortunately they're going up against a |
| 1747s | team that doesn't need to lock past 10 |
| 1750s | kilometers because that's about where |
| 1751s | their optimal is anyway uh so that |
| 1754s | carries died good stuff for that one uh |
| 1756s | the Prismatic Legion are about to lose |
| 1758s | one of their tackle annuals which is |
| 1760s | quite crucial but they are getting |
| 1762s | phenomenal trades here with a rook and a |
| 1764s | Bargas going down simultaneously yeah |
| 1767s | and conveniently they're all choosing to |
| 1769s | set stationary in the center which is |
| 1770s | certainly helping my first time |
| 1772s | operating a camera in Alliance |
| 1773s | tournament match as it's really not that |
| 1775s | difficult but we can zoom in there and |
| 1777s | see this fantastic explosion as the |
| 1779s | second bar guys goes down it's really |
| 1780s | just an oracle which is also going there |
| 1782s | in a stark and finally the Scimitar so |
| 1784s | this is going to be a pretty easy win |
| 1786s | for prismatic Legion uh shut up I'm |
| 1788s | trying uh trying but obviously not hard |
| 1790s | enough here |
| 1792s | indeed and yeah the the shut up I'm |
| 1794s | trying Scimitar uh the last one to go |
| 1797s | down uh usually in tournament as we see |
| 1799s | a logistics primary first but the |
| 1802s | Prismatic Legion team uh they saw what |
| 1804s | their opponents brought identified that |
| 1806s | they had just a massive DPS to overwhelm |
| 1808s | them uh they didn't even bring the |
| 1809s | logistics themselves so they just went |
| 1812s | all out let's take the the battleships |
| 1814s | out quickly so a great shot calling from |
| 1816s | the Prismatic Legion team they probably |
| 1818s | had a little bit of an advantage here |
| 1819s | too but you got to give them credit when |
| 1821s | they do everything right anyways |
| 1823s | yeah they certainly um give it their |
| 1825s | best shot uh so not for lack of trying |
| 1827s | uh two bar guests though is putting a |
| 1830s | lot of your points into two baskets |
| 1833s | really and uh 24 points each is heavy |
| 1835s | obviously CC Swift there's a rule in |
| 1837s | this Alliance tournament where if you |
| 1838s | bring the same ship they all go up in |
| 1840s | points do you think perhaps maybe one of |
| 1842s | those Burgers could be swapped for |
| 1843s | something else |
| 1844s | uh yeah that would actually allow them |
| 1846s | to bring uh more pilots which is always |
| 1849s | a good thing in this tournament as you |
| 1850s | mentioned uh Prismatic Legion worked |
| 1852s | around this by bringing a Vindicator and |
| 1854s | a Navy Mega |
| 1856s | uh and then a brutics and a Navy brutics |
| 1858s | so you can see what they were thinking |
| 1859s | there to save a few points |
| 1862s | yeah well it is now uh shut up we tried |
| 1867s | um it does not don't go well for them |
| 1869s | they killed the vexer which is |
| 1870s | unfortunate is not enough to to really |
| 1871s | do any damage and there you have it 100 |
| 1873s | to four |
| 1875s | um in favor of Prismatic Legion shut up |
| 1877s | I'm trying dropping this match |
| 1880s | um we do have a studio to return to |
| 1882s | uh because uh it lives on Mr beard juice |
| 1885s | computer and it's currently not working |
| 1888s | um so we can just we can just talk here |
| 1891s | um mystical might I'm going to ask you |
| 1892s | to give us some thoughts on that while I |
| 1894s | try and hide any intel that may appear |
| 1896s | on screen |
| 1898s | yep uh where to begin with that match |
| 1902s | I made a lot of notes and then had to |
| 1905s | throw them all out and the match began |
| 1907s | because uh the suit team or the shut up |
| 1911s | I'm trying team decided to effectively |
| 1913s | sit still |
| 1915s | um watching the galante team uh rushed |
| 1917s | towards them which is not the ideal |
| 1918s | position to be in when you were flying a |
| 1920s | bar guest so |
| 1922s | I was gonna say that the bomber |
| 1924s | shouldn't really have been too much of a |
| 1925s | deciding factor in that because the bar |
| 1928s | guest would kite and all this stuff but |
| 1930s | uh yeah essentially it was just a good |
| 1932s | old brawl |
| 1933s | um and it favored the team they had what |
| 1935s | people and had brawling ships |
| 1941s | nice I see the Microsoft Paint coming up |
| 1943s | feel free to talk about yourself |
| 1945s | oh dude I will absolutely Talk Amongst |
| 1947s | yourselves I uh I feel like we have |
| 1950s | achieved optimal trials |
| 1953s | um with you know like let's just say |
| 1955s | this like those two team setups with the |
| 1957s | production quality we had matched each |
| 1959s | other perfectly all right like if you're |
| 1962s | bringing a blasters Rush ever I mean I |
| 1964s | think that's the first time we've ever |
| 1965s | seen a blaster Rush actually win |
| 1967s | but |
| 1968s | does it count if you beat people that |
| 1970s | bring six people I I guess like points |
| 1973s | do count but uh yeah it's uh |
| 1976s | that's pretty great I did uh I will say |
| 1979s | um so the Carries On the Underman team |
| 1982s | actually did do a really good job |
| 1984s | damping out the bombers on the Blaster |
| 1987s | Rush setup so I think that uh those |
| 1989s | bombers weren't actually able to shoot |
| 1990s | very much it's a good call like good job |
| 1993s | actually using some strategy and stuff |
| 1995s | but man I they got rammed by that vexer |
| 1998s | like that vexer charged and tackled down |
| 2000s | or if actually maybe she charged in a |
| 2001s | tackle down that Bargas right off the |
| 2002s | bat so yeah it kind of just it didn't |
| 2004s | work it fell apart it's very unfortunate |
| 2007s | yeah I actually had a a primary list |
| 2010s | kind of sorted out for the suit or the |
| 2012s | shut up I'm trying team which says to |
| 2015s | shoot the primary uh sorry shoot the |
| 2017s | tackle and then shoot the exact Navy and |
| 2019s | the vexer Vex the Navy issue because |
| 2021s | they would be the next fastest ships on |
| 2023s | the grid |
| 2024s | um I assume that they would have more |
| 2026s | time to do all of these things before |
| 2028s | they were actually nailed down and |
| 2029s | tackled by The Tackle wing of prism but |
| 2033s | um yeah I mean we're able to see the |
| 2035s | exact Navy issue in the Vex Navy issued |
| 2037s | of extra zip across the grid because |
| 2038s | they are actually pretty quick ships |
| 2040s | especially when they are structure |
| 2042s | tanked so I don't believe |
| 2045s | um structure tanking modules |
| 2047s | reduce your velocity like plates do |
| 2050s | because I don't think they actually add |
| 2051s | much mass to the ship so that allows |
| 2054s | them to zip across the grid much faster |
| 2055s | than they normally would be able to and |
| 2057s | that's one of the benefits I think of |
| 2058s | them bringing no Logistics in this |
| 2061s | particular setup that they came with |
| 2064s | yeah they did they did fly it very very |
| 2066s | well |
| 2067s | um like they definitely understood what |
| 2070s | they had uh what they had to do like |
| 2072s | Prismatic Legion understood what their |
| 2073s | win conditions were and they were able |
| 2075s | to get in very very quickly uh they were |
| 2078s | able to get tackle on the most important |
| 2079s | ships and I do think that um I feel like |
| 2082s | the Bargas maybe could have done a |
| 2084s | little bit better trying to get away but |
| 2086s | at the end of the day like |
| 2087s | they do have even though they're pretty |
| 2089s | fast for kiting ships they do have like |
| 2090s | an acceleration that that whole tank |
| 2092s | Vector Navy issue |
| 2094s | um and all those other small ships |
| 2095s | really didn't have but yeah I I do agree |
| 2098s | um if they had primaried off the tackle |
| 2100s | maybe they could have done something I |
| 2101s | just don't think they were really |
| 2104s | prepared to be Blaster rushed like that |
| 2107s | yeah it definitely came across that way |
| 2110s | um I would also |
| 2112s | I'm not calling anyone out on the suit |
| 2114s | team but I did see that one bar guest |
| 2117s | was tackled and one was perhaps |
| 2119s | approaching the other |
| 2120s | so I'm not sure if there was a call to |
| 2122s | Anchor if someone wasn't comfortable |
| 2124s | flying their ship that's absolutely fine |
| 2125s | it is a great environment I think to to |
| 2129s | learn these skills like double clicking |
| 2130s | but I do think one bar guest effectively |
| 2133s | tackled Itself by uh by approaching his |
| 2135s | friend there |
| 2137s | hey it does happen um it does a reading |
| 2140s | twitch chat which is uh probably my |
| 2142s | favorite thing to do during any Alliance |
| 2144s | tournament for the insightful and uh |
| 2147s | high quality commentary on how we are |
| 2149s | doing and how the matches are I do |
| 2151s | believe that the suit team captain or |
| 2154s | one of their team members was saying |
| 2156s | that they were having some uh issues |
| 2158s | today unfortunately so you know who |
| 2160s | knows um hopefully maybe they can get |
| 2162s | those resolved later on because like we |
| 2164s | have talked about a couple times they |
| 2165s | are not out uh they are just down one |
| 2168s | point and I believe they will be playing |
| 2171s | either one or two more games so if they |
| 2174s | can kind of get that sorted they might |
| 2176s | be able to actually end up taking this |
| 2179s | bracket still so uh who knows |
| 2183s | yeah I am gonna forewarn all of the |
| 2185s | teams playing today by the way that I am |
| 2187s | basically betting on Blue |
| 2190s | um and blue so far has been the network |
| 2191s | and shut up I'm trying followed by the |
| 2193s | minions |
| 2195s | um so you know if you're in the blue |
| 2199s | bracket and uh I'm betting on you you |
| 2202s | might just be cast a cast and you might |
| 2203s | lose unlucky what can you do |
| 2207s | it always goes |
| 2209s | I I'm not gonna lie I'm actually uh |
| 2211s | pretty pretty uh zero and two right now |
| 2213s | on my bets as well but that's okay uh |
| 2216s | Channel points are just uh just a |
| 2219s | figment of my imagination |
| 2221s | um |
| 2222s | I guess we're playing hangman now that's |
| 2224s | uh pretty exciting |
| 2226s | this is this is perfect like this is the |
| 2229s | production that I've actually wanted for |
| 2230s | the at and the at feeders for years and |
| 2234s | years now well I mean I wasn't expecting |
| 2235s | to have to suddenly stream this at all |
| 2239s | um so at least we have a desk |
| 2242s | um the vector died last match this is uh |
| 2244s | as good as we can get we could have a |
| 2246s | game of scribblue while we're waiting |
| 2247s | and we have the next match coming up I |
| 2250s | think uh |
| 2253s | 1600 so that is 24 minutes from now so |
| 2258s | you guys have some time to fill this is |
| 2261s | a great time to have a bio break if |
| 2262s | you're watching uh maybe go make a |
| 2264s | coffee |
| 2265s | um and we'll see if we can keep this |
| 2266s | going I think it might be time to go to |
| 2269s | a short break |
| 2271s | um so we will keep the stream up |
| 2273s | um see you in about 10-15 minutes |
| 2284s | uh nobody saw anything welcome back uh |
| 2287s | everything is working |
| 2289s | um nothing possibly could ever go wrong |
| 2292s | um we are back on schedule |
| 2294s | um it is time for Hall control versus |
| 2296s | bright side of death thankfully um the |
| 2298s | minions uh they actually saw this coming |
| 2300s | and they gave us some time to fix |
| 2302s | everything by forfeiting their match |
| 2304s | um but yeah back on schedule let's go |
| 2306s | straight to this match now between hold |
| 2308s | control and Brightside of death Alliance |
| 2310s | sermon 18 feeder trials continue |
| 2317s | hello and welcome to the arena for match |
| 2320s | four out of three I'm here with jentan |
| 2325s | and we've got the bright side of death |
| 2326s | versus whole control and they've both |
| 2329s | brought Rush setups |
| 2331s | uh that's not quite this case actually |
| 2333s | because whole control have brought two |
| 2335s | artillery sleptness and the rare Arty |
| 2338s | Vaga but they've brought them in at zero |
| 2340s | this is a really bizarre turn of events |
| 2342s | looks like they're gonna be trying to |
| 2343s | fly it similar to a fly killer just try |
| 2346s | and SWAT off those forget early games so |
| 2348s | let's see if these tackle pilots from uh |
| 2352s | the minus 15 team I believe that's |
| 2354s | bright side of death can successfully |
| 2356s | keep themselves alive as they rush in |
| 2358s | here and try and Tackle stuff down you |
| 2359s | see there's air takes a big chunk of |
| 2361s | damage but uh he is able to look down |
| 2363s | for Sama and that sleptner is going down |
| 2366s | so so fast |
| 2368s | yeah they're about a there's about a |
| 2370s | thousand DPS per Command Ship going up |
| 2373s | against that slept near and they have a |
| 2375s | lot more DPS from hams on the Loki and |
| 2378s | the and the auto cans of the broadsword |
| 2381s | and he just got deleted and stablot is |
| 2383s | going down secondarily |
| 2386s | the Osprey Navy issues of hole control |
| 2388s | are killing the Lord she of uh |
| 2391s | Brightside but they're gonna be so far |
| 2393s | behind on DPS once they actually have |
| 2396s | those ships down you think they can hold |
| 2400s | this back |
| 2401s | I mean these are this is only two points |
| 2403s | of logistics here for the bright side of |
| 2405s | death team is between the burst and the |
| 2406s | Bantam they're effectively not killing |
| 2408s | anything you know very if uh bright side |
| 2410s | of death are able to succeed in killing |
| 2412s | this Griffin and it looks like they're |
| 2413s | going to be able to that's already more |
| 2414s | points taken off the board for them |
| 2416s | you're just going the Griffin because |
| 2419s | they have to as well like he must have |
| 2422s | gotten some Jam stuff there |
| 2424s | yeah there's quite a lot of range |
| 2427s | you have the slip nurse uh surviving |
| 2430s | better than I thought given how fast the |
| 2434s | other one died but uh the bright side of |
| 2436s | death are also not going to be able to |
| 2438s | overheat their guns for super long as he |
| 2441s | just goes down stablad being dead and |
| 2443s | they have to rely on the Varga to get |
| 2445s | any heavy work done |
| 2447s | yeah and maybe it would have been |
| 2449s | possible for them to uh win through the |
| 2451s | kite at this point but unfortunately it |
| 2453s | looks like the Osprey Navy issues are |
| 2454s | all tackled as well uh whole control |
| 2456s | have gonna have a really really hard |
| 2458s | time coming back into this match it's |
| 2459s | going to take some amazing power plays |
| 2461s | from this marker and with everything |
| 2462s | sitting on zero with it even if they're |
| 2464s | battle Cruisers that artillery is going |
| 2466s | to really struggle to trap |
| 2468s | given how tanky the um the ships are |
| 2472s | remaining for Hall control for a bright |
| 2474s | side are now I don't even think it |
| 2476s | matters but they lost a lot like that |
| 2478s | Margaret just doesn't have the DPS to |
| 2480s | kill a note Hawk or a sleptner in that |
| 2484s | time |
| 2485s | yeah this just seems like um one of |
| 2487s | those things that was lost at the |
| 2488s | warping uh whole control clearly |
| 2491s | expecting something a little bit |
| 2492s | different maybe an armor control comp |
| 2494s | and hoping to just open up with a really |
| 2496s | really strong volley |
| 2498s | um take out some key you know frigate |
| 2500s | targets and then kite back uh but I'm |
| 2504s | pretty sure they were uh Rush |
| 2506s | I'm pretty sure they were also looking |
| 2508s | to us there those don't seem to be |
| 2511s | artillery but uh they uh they had to |
| 2515s | rely too much on trying to get support |
| 2517s | chips down and they they brought |
| 2521s | a lot more control elements going up |
| 2523s | against somebody who |
| 2525s | all of the high slots are either links |
| 2528s | or damage no |
| 2529s | faffing around with uh extra damps and |
| 2535s | gems |
| 2536s | and Crystal Steel in that wargre is |
| 2538s | taking a lot of damage he's going down |
| 2540s | fast |
| 2542s | yeah something else to talk about with |
| 2544s | regards to the bright side of Def comp |
| 2545s | is just the sheer number of mimitar |
| 2547s | ships were brought for those of you who |
| 2549s | aren't aware the tie Breakers if every |
| 2551s | team in a group ends up being one one |
| 2553s | and one is determined by the amount of |
| 2556s | mimitar ships you have brought over the |
| 2558s | course of your matches so this puts a |
| 2561s | bright side of Death at a huge advantage |
| 2563s | in terms of those tie Breakers all |
| 2565s | they're going to need to do now is |
| 2567s | um even if they lose the next one bring |
| 2569s | a couple more Minotaur ships and they're |
| 2571s | going to be winning coasting through to |
| 2573s | the playoffs just off that basis |
| 2576s | yeah it really feeds into the archetype |
| 2578s | as well they've gone for a Highlander |
| 2581s | setup in order to not have to pay any |
| 2583s | points for duplicates you just normally |
| 2587s | see Triple Sumner or triple Nighthawk in |
| 2590s | a comp like that but they've opted for |
| 2591s | one claim or one Nighthawk and one |
| 2593s | sleptner in order to spread the points |
| 2596s | out and pay as little as possible in |
| 2598s | these rules |
| 2600s | what do you think about this |
| 2601s | stormbringer being bought g-tech you |
| 2604s | know it's a quite an expensive ship but |
| 2605s | it does have a lot of tank and a lot of |
| 2608s | utility with those uh Eden comp guns |
| 2612s | it is good in two situations in |
| 2615s | particular if your opponent were to |
| 2617s | bring sentries which are pretty |
| 2619s | reasonable in this tournament format and |
| 2622s | they're good against that killing off uh |
| 2625s | like tightly grouped drones but |
| 2627s | primarily I like it against rap bots in |
| 2631s | an armor com if you're up against |
| 2633s | somebody who |
| 2635s | wants to keep their ships Alive by |
| 2638s | putting a whole bunch of heavy armor |
| 2640s | maintenance spots on on Narrows or |
| 2642s | something like that the stormbringer |
| 2644s | just chews through them and really takes |
| 2647s | that out quickly |
| 2652s | yeah and it's only 50 more than a |
| 2655s | regular Cruiser it's not gonna really |
| 2658s | hurt your wallet that much and it's |
| 2660s | incredibly tanky |
| 2664s | yeah now we can see finally getting |
| 2666s | caught as it went for the micro jump |
| 2667s | drive Beacon just trying to uh either |
| 2669s | send itself on a long jump record or uh |
| 2672s | survive for just a little bit longer but |
| 2674s | yeah there is not a hope in hell for a |
| 2677s | whole control to really come back into |
| 2679s | this match and less bright side of death |
| 2681s | decides to |
| 2682s | really aggressively throw |
| 2685s | in a previous year my team got knocked |
| 2688s | out by right side of death so I have a |
| 2690s | bit of respect for |
| 2692s | having to face them in a tournament |
| 2694s | setting |
| 2696s | and also that time we were flying The |
| 2698s | Nighthawks |
| 2701s | yeah really nice execution here I'm |
| 2704s | interested to see if we're going to see |
| 2705s | more of the broadsword actually be |
| 2706s | bought in this tournament it seemed so |
| 2708s | so potent in that get in this game oh we |
| 2711s | can see some mjd plays coming out just |
| 2712s | to catch that more lesson close up this |
| 2714s | match really quickly |
| 2716s | the combination of the broadsword and |
| 2718s | the Loki are often going to keep |
| 2720s | somebody |
| 2721s | completely locked down with a long-range |
| 2724s | scrum and long range web |
| 2727s | at a reasonably long distance yeah |
| 2731s | as the match starts if you're within 20 |
| 2734s | or 30 kilometers you're likely to be |
| 2737s | locked down immediately |
| 2740s | and with that we're sending it back to |
| 2741s | the desk |
| 2744s | now for the triglovian weather report |
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| 2756s | and that's the weather forever |
| 2766s | for just 10 million is a month you can |
| 2771s | save the life of a high SEC minor |
| 2783s | foreign |
| 2807s | controller getting rolled out by bright |
| 2809s | side of death uh in the pretty harsh |
| 2813s | stomping uh it has to be said |
| 2816s | um mystical might I wanted to ask you a |
| 2818s | little bit about something that we |
| 2820s | noticed in that match uh the war pins |
| 2823s | uh can you can you talk to us a bit |
| 2824s | about that |
| 2826s | sure so on the |
| 2829s | I'm gonna say whole control team two |
| 2831s | slept news and the bug they came in at |
| 2833s | zero |
| 2835s | um which |
| 2836s | is a very risky play at the best of |
| 2839s | times |
| 2840s | um importantly they also walked their |
| 2842s | support Wing at range and I couldn't |
| 2844s | tell whether their Logistics frigates |
| 2846s | were 1mn or tannerman so the reason I'm |
| 2849s | mentioning all of this is that when you |
| 2851s | walk to zero against the team that you |
| 2852s | actually don't know what you're going up |
| 2854s | against it puts you in a very weak |
| 2856s | position because if you're going up |
| 2858s | against a team where you would prefer to |
| 2859s | burn away because perhaps they have more |
| 2861s | damage than you do as we saw in this |
| 2863s | case you don't really have any |
| 2864s | flexibility with your positioning you're |
| 2866s | committed before the match has even |
| 2868s | begun and warping your Logistics |
| 2870s | frigates at range in that case |
| 2872s | especially if they are when a man fit |
| 2874s | which means that they are harder to hit |
| 2876s | but they're also slow on grid |
| 2878s | um they're unable to get into range to |
| 2880s | really support you at the beginning of |
| 2882s | that brawl and we saw that first let me |
| 2884s | go down like within seconds it was very |
| 2886s | very quick at the rate that it went down |
| 2889s | and the second one survived a little bit |
| 2890s | longer and I'm thinking that's because |
| 2891s | Logistics frigates managed to get into |
| 2894s | range to support him a little bit better |
| 2897s | and Bart what about the the difference |
| 2899s | in uh the low end support for each of |
| 2902s | those columns it looked like uh once I |
| 2904s | chose control once I chose DPS |
| 2909s | uh whole control they kind of they |
| 2911s | brought a little bit of control |
| 2913s | um it's it's hard to do control setups |
| 2915s | with shields just because you have to |
| 2917s | dedicate some tank to it but I feel like |
| 2919s | bright side like their smallest ship was |
| 2922s | a Sipple which isn't particularly |
| 2923s | squishy like they almost didn't really |
| 2925s | have a low end in the sense that like |
| 2927s | you know a cyber Fleet issue is a ton of |
| 2930s | DPS a simple is still a ton of DPS so |
| 2933s | it's like really what do you target |
| 2935s | there I mean obviously killing a triple |
| 2937s | first is smart I think that it was a |
| 2938s | decent idea |
| 2940s | um but if you look at what hold control |
| 2942s | had you know they had a marker so they |
| 2945s | put a ton of points into this very you |
| 2947s | know heavy uh High DPS Battleship that |
| 2951s | probably you know obviously you can hit |
| 2953s | a small frigate with the marker I'm sure |
| 2955s | everybody who's played Eve in the last |
| 2957s | you know year or two has lost a small |
| 2959s | fur gets two vargers but at the same |
| 2961s | time you know if you're looking up |
| 2963s | against like sleptner's uh Shield |
| 2965s | Cruisers maybe hold control should have |
| 2967s | gone after something that was a little |
| 2969s | bit easier for a Varga to apply damage |
| 2972s | to uh whereas you know bright side of |
| 2975s | death they clearly have bought that |
| 2977s | match before they've done the |
| 2978s | calculations they were like okay we know |
| 2980s | that we have probably seven or eight |
| 2982s | thousand DPS on grid we know that we can |
| 2984s | blow a sleptner up in seconds and they |
| 2987s | just went top down and just completely |
| 2990s | demolished whole controller |
| 2992s | yeah |
| 2993s | speaking about that Varga |
| 2995s | um I just wanted to come in and ask you |
| 2997s | something about that uh the Varga |
| 2999s | obviously on TQ uh Bastion Mojo uh that |
| 3003s | can just click that button and be very |
| 3004s | hard to kill |
| 3006s | um can we use that here |
| 3008s | no no that's the module is banned |
| 3012s | um I think we've had previous |
| 3013s | tournaments where Bastion modules were |
| 3015s | allowed |
| 3016s | um and I think we also had a record |
| 3017s | number of overtime matches where it was |
| 3020s | essentially one Marauder bashing its |
| 3022s | head against another Marauder as |
| 3024s | assistant continued to speed up until |
| 3026s | someone's APM couldn't match uh the rate |
| 3029s | that the system was going so no Bastion |
| 3031s | modules are banned because they are |
| 3032s | boring to watch |
| 3035s | very well said and the other thing I |
| 3038s | wanted to ask you about was the |
| 3039s | stormbringer interesting choice uh to |
| 3042s | bring in in this only six points which |
| 3044s | is uh which is pretty good |
| 3046s | um what do you think about that that |
| 3047s | ship Choice they're missing is it a good |
| 3048s | ship to bring in a tournament |
| 3049s | environment or do you think that maybe |
| 3051s | those six points could have been spent |
| 3053s | elsewhere |
| 3054s | so the sky breaker which is the frigate |
| 3058s | version of the stormbringer and the |
| 3061s | thunderchild is a really good ship to |
| 3063s | bring I think in a tournament setting |
| 3065s | because it is so |
| 3068s | um |
| 3068s | a small Point wise |
| 3071s | um but it also does a great job at |
| 3072s | clearing drones whereas the stormbringer |
| 3074s | which is the cruiser variant that we saw |
| 3076s | in the last match |
| 3078s | has a hard time applying to some of |
| 3080s | those smaller drones I actually watched |
| 3082s | the stormbringer shoot some ec600s which |
| 3085s | are an ECM drones medium ECM drones and |
| 3088s | it got it to half Shields from the time |
| 3091s | it took to travel across the entire |
| 3093s | Arena so not exactly the strongest ship |
| 3096s | to bring especially if you're in a kite |
| 3097s | with it but it is fairly tanky so it can |
| 3099s | be used as a ship to tackle down other |
| 3102s | ships if need to be |
| 3104s | also decent amount of Med slots and if |
| 3106s | you're to bring it in an armor comp then |
| 3108s | those mid slots could be used |
| 3110s | um for example |
| 3112s | um ebar modules scripted Ur modules you |
| 3113s | could slap a couple of damps in there so |
| 3115s | it could just be a bit of a utility belt |
| 3117s | and again only six points |
| 3119s | um actually not that bad depending on |
| 3120s | how effective it can be uh Bart you're |
| 3122s | looking awfully glum so I'm going to uh |
| 3126s | cheer you up by telling you there's a |
| 3127s | match coming up in just a few minutes uh |
| 3129s | the first of our mimitar roleplay cards |
| 3132s | like this Matari uh they're gonna be |
| 3134s | very excited to be participating in this |
| 3136s | representing the the brutor tribe going |
| 3138s | off against High SEC miners uh let's see |
| 3141s | if we can take a look at the bands going |
| 3142s | on between these two teams here |
| 3146s | so uh legislative choosing to ban the |
| 3149s | Loki and the curse uh meanwhile High set |
| 3152s | miners Banning the Nighthawk and the |
| 3154s | unneros uh Bart what do you think about |
| 3156s | these bands here |
| 3158s | I think that these are I would say |
| 3160s | probably the first like |
| 3163s | bands that are thought out in regards to |
| 3166s | you know past tournament meta um |
| 3168s | so high SEC minors from what we what we |
| 3171s | can tell are uh related to a team last |
| 3175s | tournament that brought a hamrush almost |
| 3178s | every single time so Loki's are |
| 3180s | traditionally very very good in hamrush |
| 3182s | curses are just absurdly powerful right |
| 3184s | now uh especially since nowadays we have |
| 3187s | the scripted ewar |
| 3189s | um it does look like high SEC miners you |
| 3191s | know Nighthawks are both good kiting |
| 3193s | ships and both uh and very good Rush |
| 3196s | ships I'm not really sure about the |
| 3197s | onero span um I don't think that |
| 3199s | innoneros is particularly |
| 3201s | uh Irreplaceable like if you can bring a |
| 3203s | guardian with it or you know maybe |
| 3205s | universe so I think that uh Alexis |
| 3207s | matari's bands I really really like they |
| 3209s | definitely have some thought put into |
| 3211s | them um High SEC minors |
| 3213s | probably just don't want to deal with |
| 3214s | any kiting setups but I don't think that |
| 3216s | the Nighthawk is necessarily a ship to |
| 3219s | ban in that case so kind of would like |
| 3221s | to see like a scimitar band instead |
| 3224s | Misty by the virtue of having |
| 3226s | functioning cameras now um I can see you |
| 3228s | nodding away as Bart is talking uh your |
| 3231s | thoughts there |
| 3233s | yeah I was just more thinking about the |
| 3236s | the curse ban |
| 3239s | um and what that may kind of predict |
| 3241s | what we see on grid just thinking back |
| 3242s | to the conversation we had earlier |
| 3244s | around the allowance for scripts and E1 |
| 3247s | modules because a very effective |
| 3249s | long-range new boat but also really good |
| 3252s | at applying those tracking disruptors |
| 3253s | and those guys guidance disrupters |
| 3256s | um so you know it may be that they want |
| 3258s | to be able to apply damage at range |
| 3261s | um which would be fairly tricky if you |
| 3264s | are going up against a curse in those |
| 3265s | situations |
| 3267s | yeah curse is a great email platform and |
| 3269s | of course with the um |
| 3271s | uh ability to bring scripted e-war uh is |
| 3274s | just more powerful this year than than |
| 3276s | the last how many years since uh we |
| 3279s | banned scripted Ebor modules I remember |
| 3282s | I think it was Alliance tournament 13 or |
| 3284s | 14 where it was just celestes all the |
| 3287s | way down uh damps were the order of the |
| 3289s | day obviously the game has changed a bit |
| 3291s | since then so see if it becomes as |
| 3294s | powerful this year as other years |
| 3296s | um I see both teams are in system |
| 3299s | um and on field so I think what we'll do |
| 3302s | is we'll hand over to the arena and let |
| 3303s | our commentators talk you through what |
| 3305s | they see on grid uh so this one is going |
| 3307s | to be a lesson Atari versus high SEC |
| 3309s | minors with your casters Wingnut cross |
| 3312s | and gentan |
| 3317s | foreign |
| 3320s | and we have kingslayer versus a full |
| 3324s | order Cannon rush it looks like everyone |
| 3326s | thought Minotaur is the uh definitely |
| 3327s | the style of the day and we've got this |
| 3329s | is gonna be very interesting to be |
| 3330s | honest agent |
| 3332s | yeah this is we've seen we're seeing |
| 3334s | some unusual ships be brought by both |
| 3336s | sides here we can see Asia Elkin |
| 3339s | um member of the CSM uh piloting the |
| 3342s | ashimu there and Jack Harvey in the |
| 3344s | hugin from the high SEC minors site |
| 3347s | um both of those are ships that we don't |
| 3348s | often see in the alliance tournament and |
| 3351s | they both provide some really really |
| 3352s | powerful long-range webs although the |
| 3354s | hugin is significantly better and the |
| 3356s | reason we don't normally see them is |
| 3357s | because they are incredibly fragile if |
| 3360s | anything's able to get on top of them |
| 3361s | and they aren't able to use their |
| 3363s | control effectively it is going to lead |
| 3365s | them to their Doom very very very easily |
| 3369s | that said and especially actually with |
| 3371s | sorry go ahead sorry go ahead |
| 3375s | um that that hugin is especially going |
| 3377s | to be under pressure from all of those |
| 3378s | rapid heavy missiles from the two |
| 3380s | typhoon Fleet issues and the typhoon you |
| 3383s | know you're looking at nearly 3 000 DPS |
| 3385s | that can apply pretty much perfectly uh |
| 3388s | to any Cruiser on the grid |
| 3391s | interesting of course as well is that um |
| 3393s | Isaac Myers have decided to bring in the |
| 3395s | hugin and a scimitar so they've gone |
| 3396s | pretty healthy it's their support |
| 3397s | meanwhile it looks like Alexis Matari |
| 3399s | went you know what no we just bring |
| 3400s | frigates they're good enough the import |
| 3402s | of visual Fleet instead of our hyena so |
| 3403s | they are really committing to this |
| 3405s | triple type in Fleet core as the match |
| 3407s | goes now |
| 3408s | wow look at that tackle streaming in |
| 3411s | from the high SEC |
| 3412s | minus side getting into those back lines |
| 3415s | almost immediately uh but the slept near |
| 3418s | of Khan appears to be the first primary |
| 3419s | very very unusual |
| 3421s | um uh Choice there from the kingslayer |
| 3423s | team normally you want to head um |
| 3424s | headshot the logic quickly uh before |
| 3427s | your Clips run out and the visual Fleet |
| 3429s | issue is taking a lot of DPS too |
| 3432s | yeah we see actually ECM drives coming |
| 3434s | out on an ashimu and looks like the |
| 3435s | slips being hit the typhoon they've |
| 3437s | actually picked on the typhoon first so |
| 3439s | we have to see if they can break through |
| 3440s | this guy obviously probably the weaker |
| 3441s | of the three battleships there visual |
| 3443s | fleets being primary as well as |
| 3444s | fitbull's being primary there is damage |
| 3445s | going everywhere at the moment everyone |
| 3447s | seems to be holding which smoke |
| 3450s | yeah a Khan's obviously going to be |
| 3452s | burning through his xlasb charges he's |
| 3454s | being held off of the primary which is |
| 3455s | Cloak and divery Insidious in the |
| 3457s | typhoon oh this Ripple there goes down |
| 3459s | very very quickly looks like Khan is |
| 3461s | finally breaking here but it's going to |
| 3463s | be a question of whether or not sorry |
| 3465s | how many shots these typhoons have left |
| 3467s | in their Clips after he goes down oh my |
| 3469s | God in the aftermath of this |
| 3472s | there we go that's the first kill that's |
| 3475s | something that kingslayer is incredibly |
| 3477s | powerful at they have so much front |
| 3478s | loaded DPS people want to see that |
| 3479s | attack bar drop very very sure uh drop |
| 3482s | very preceptively for his precipitously |
| 3484s | as they all go on to reload and then |
| 3486s | they're going to elect us material are |
| 3488s | going to need to tank out the remainder |
| 3490s | of their time it's going to take them 45 |
| 3492s | seconds to reload off that but the site |
| 3494s | Fleet issue is going down in seconds as |
| 3496s | well this uh the Scimitar just doesn't |
| 3499s | seem to be having any reps but out he |
| 3501s | must be getting damped or something |
| 3504s | maybe the ashimu actually just double |
| 3506s | check they assume we're currently on |
| 3507s | scimitar |
| 3508s | no he's not so it's not him never mind |
| 3510s | but yeah interesting enough of course |
| 3511s | like now they've um killed off one of |
| 3514s | those battleships that typhoon is not |
| 3515s | going to hold permanently so they're |
| 3516s | trying to pick off the small ships now |
| 3517s | Deacon pontifex and it doesn't matter so |
| 3519s | if I just went down to what is this |
| 3521s | Scimitar doing |
| 3524s | uh yeah it does look like |
| 3527s | um it doesn't look like he's even he is |
| 3529s | getting damped I think uh I can't quite |
| 3531s | tell our uh we don't have fancy UI for |
| 3533s | those who don't know and wow a stupid |
| 3534s | flea issue goes down as well this is |
| 3536s | just the power of these rhmls just |
| 3538s | plowing through this Cruiser ehp this is |
| 3542s | a really dominant Victory here from |
| 3543s | electivism Atari just controlling this |
| 3545s | Rush absorbing all the pressure that's |
| 3546s | coming out and winning off the back of |
| 3549s | that |
| 3551s | yeah it was a classic Myers they tried |
| 3553s | to go for the uh you know Hedgehog off |
| 3555s | the battleships but it just didn't |
| 3557s | didn't play out for me didn't have the |
| 3558s | DPS to break through meanwhile these |
| 3559s | three three typhoons can just rip apart |
| 3561s | one ship very easily and then pick off |
| 3563s | whatever went off look at the Scimitar |
| 3564s | now all those heaviest was just coming |
| 3566s | in oh God look at that I only got two |
| 3570s | reps out of his XL ASB before he was |
| 3573s | destroyed this is great stuff from |
| 3575s | electus Matari uh it seems like high SEC |
| 3578s | miners they came in here with a game |
| 3580s | plan they were going to out mimitar the |
| 3581s | mimitar RP Alliance and they have |
| 3583s | completely failed in that endeavor uh I |
| 3586s | guess they know yeah they've got to |
| 3587s | think of them at least all right yeah |
| 3591s | something really good like that during |
| 3593s | during the early part of that match was |
| 3595s | Aussie Elkin and a couple other ships |
| 3597s | just holding those slutness away forcing |
| 3599s | them to shoot into fall off range |
| 3601s | forcing them off of hail off of the |
| 3604s | highest DPS uh ammunition and using that |
| 3608s | space to just operate all those typhoon |
| 3610s | issues back and away from one another |
| 3613s | and just carry the game from there great |
| 3616s | stuff yep big respect to workers matara |
| 3619s | here this is not what I expect to see |
| 3620s | from this match I love seeing the old |
| 3621s | triple typhoon comp back in Action |
| 3623s | kicking butt and with like the Matari |
| 3626s | taking the win there we're going to send |
| 3627s | it back to the boys in the studio see |
| 3628s | what they think |
| 3631s | apart |
| 3678s | foreign |
| 3711s | welcome back ladies and gentlemen there |
| 3713s | so |
| 3714s | um Alexis from Atari uh showing that |
| 3716s | with enough duct tape you can do |
| 3718s | anything as high SEC minors |
| 3721s | um shouldn't quit their day jobs uh |
| 3723s | going down and losing that one fairly |
| 3725s | substantially uh mystical might |
| 3729s | um what do you think about the execution |
| 3730s | of |
| 3732s | um the high tech miners team there |
| 3736s | I think that the house like miners team |
| 3739s | um they had a reasonably strong setup |
| 3741s | mimitar Rush has historically been |
| 3744s | pretty strong within the alliance |
| 3746s | tournament |
| 3747s | um and this year I think it's especially |
| 3749s | strong given some of the rule changes |
| 3752s | that we've seen their decision to |
| 3754s | primary the typhoon at the very |
| 3755s | beginning wasn't necessarily a bad one |
| 3759s | um as the typhoon is the weakest of the |
| 3761s | three battleships that were on grid for |
| 3763s | the electus Matari team |
| 3765s | but |
| 3767s | they weren't really able to trade |
| 3768s | favorably so they very quickly allowed |
| 3771s | the match to get away from them when |
| 3773s | they began to trade a slept near for |
| 3775s | nothing |
| 3776s | um at the very beginning and then that |
| 3778s | just kind of spiraled from there |
| 3780s | um so I think they perhaps should have |
| 3782s | switched to the logifrags |
| 3785s | on the electus Matari team sooner and |
| 3788s | then played out some of the support they |
| 3789s | also had in the form of the armor links |
| 3791s | on the pontifex just to weaken the |
| 3793s | battleships that they were going up |
| 3794s | against |
| 3796s | awesome and uh Blackboard pirate I |
| 3799s | wanted to ask you a little bit you had |
| 3800s | some comments um in our in a production |
| 3803s | chat |
| 3804s | um about uh the choice of ships from |
| 3807s | high set miners you weren't a fan of |
| 3809s | that hugin |
| 3810s | um can you can you talk through what do |
| 3812s | you like about that cruise ship other |
| 3814s | than its Aesthetics it looks like yeah |
| 3816s | yeah they are it is probably one of the |
| 3819s | uh the ugliest ships left in the game |
| 3820s | since you know it's the old MOA has been |
| 3823s | uh fixed I guess it's been like 10 years |
| 3826s | since that happened though now uh yeah I |
| 3828s | know the hugin it's it's so many points |
| 3831s | and I don't think you really need one |
| 3833s | like it's it's not that I don't like |
| 3836s | hugin I just don't really like the hugin |
| 3838s | in their setup so if you're running a |
| 3840s | Minotaur Rush setup the entire point is |
| 3842s | to like get in there as fast as possible |
| 3844s | and you know Scythe Fleet issues are |
| 3846s | extremely fast uh even you know even |
| 3849s | like slept news Nighthawks claimers they |
| 3850s | didn't have Nighthawks but all those |
| 3852s | ships are very quick and they can get on |
| 3853s | top of something super fast and bringing |
| 3856s | the hug and it's like okay we have a |
| 3857s | long Wing range web but |
| 3860s | what are you going to really use it for |
| 3861s | I think that maybe a high SEC minors |
| 3864s | thought they were going to be going up |
| 3865s | against like a drone kite or some kind |
| 3868s | of light missile setup but even then I |
| 3870s | mean all of the minotaurships are faster |
| 3871s | so I'm kind of sitting here like well |
| 3873s | you spend you know I think like what was |
| 3875s | it 14 points 13 points on a ship that |
| 3878s | you could have spent that on something |
| 3880s | else and maybe done a little bit better |
| 3882s | um |
| 3883s | you know that being said I don't think |
| 3884s | that was necessarily what the real |
| 3885s | problem was uh Alexis Matari just |
| 3888s | screamed so well and stopped that |
| 3890s | initial push in and that was kind of the |
| 3892s | power of like that that two-point vigil |
| 3894s | Fleet issue you don't see that very much |
| 3896s | but it's basically you know it's like a |
| 3898s | miniature hyena which is what I would |
| 3900s | rather see than a hugin pretty much any |
| 3903s | day |
| 3905s | yeah I would say Alexis batari did a did |
| 3907s | a fantastic job there uh flying uh the |
| 3910s | the completely brought really well |
| 3912s | execution could sometimes be where some |
| 3914s | teams fall down |
| 3916s | um historically you know it's very easy |
| 3917s | to look at a comp uh on find it on Zed |
| 3920s | Kell from a previous Alliance tournament |
| 3922s | update it to the current meta and then |
| 3924s | bring it and then get just curb stomped |
| 3926s | by someone else bringing the same thing |
| 3927s | because you fail in execution |
| 3930s | um Mr Mike how important is that kind of |
| 3932s | stuff like is there some comp you can |
| 3934s | just power through with |
| 3936s | um your execution versus some other |
| 3938s | comps that maybe are like very high |
| 3940s | skill |
| 3942s | yeah so I mean any Rush comp I suppose |
| 3945s | is gonna rely Less on execution more On |
| 3949s | Target calling so the order in which you |
| 3951s | kill the enemy team is going to be very |
| 3952s | important in a rush comp because you're |
| 3954s | basically using your hit points as |
| 3956s | damage right like the longer you're |
| 3958s | alive the more damage you're putting out |
| 3960s | um you're looking to trade over time but |
| 3963s | you're also looking to overwhelm them |
| 3964s | with the amount of damage that you have |
| 3966s | so being able to clear the right Targets |
| 3968s | in the right order is very important but |
| 3970s | then you also have the very technical |
| 3971s | setups where you're going to be bringing |
| 3974s | you know |
| 3975s | um we've seen ECM startups in previous |
| 3977s | years for example where being able to |
| 3980s | communicate what you're jamming who |
| 3981s | you're jamming looking around the grid |
| 3983s | to see whether there are any remotes |
| 3986s | um sensor boosters coming out from the |
| 3988s | Hostile health Team to support their |
| 3989s | essential ships like the logistics |
| 3991s | cruisers for example these are all |
| 3993s | things that would need to be |
| 3994s | communicated and decisions need to be |
| 3996s | made on the fly so I would definitely |
| 3998s | say that that is more difficult to |
| 4000s | achieve and execute than a rush comp |
| 4003s | but |
| 4004s | there is no all proof setup that you can |
| 4008s | really bring to the alliance tournament |
| 4009s | matches right it's all going to depend |
| 4011s | on how you execute that on the day |
| 4012s | because you could bring the simplest |
| 4014s | thing that has like two buttons you |
| 4016s | could bring an oracle Just Guns just a |
| 4018s | my Corp Drive and you could still forget |
| 4020s | to click one of them and screw your |
| 4022s | entire team over so yeah people need to |
| 4024s | bring their a games to the matches |
| 4026s | regardless of the concept |
| 4029s | yeah I think it's fair to say as well |
| 4030s | that in general the quality of piloting |
| 4034s | and 3D crafting needed |
| 4036s | um to do well on the alliance term has |
| 4038s | just continued to get you know more and |
| 4041s | more advanced if you go back to like a |
| 4043s | Lancer in 10 11 and stuff like that the |
| 4044s | number of teams that are executing the |
| 4046s | crafting super well compared to the |
| 4048s | number of teams that we're just able to |
| 4050s | get you know reasonably far with um with |
| 4052s | a couple of easier to execute comps with |
| 4055s | certainly a different ratio I remember |
| 4056s | getting |
| 4058s | um we went two and two myself cadaver |
| 4060s | with the bastards basically using a |
| 4062s | mimitar rush for four matches |
| 4065s | um and it was relatively successful and |
| 4067s | I just don't think that that kind of uh |
| 4069s | play would have as much success these |
| 4071s | days |
| 4071s | um we mentioned earlier but worth |
| 4072s | mentioning again |
| 4074s | um the trials it's no longer best of one |
| 4076s | and you know wham bam thank you ma'am |
| 4078s | and you're done it is a group stage so I |
| 4083s | wanted to highlight this particular |
| 4084s | group the router group so the six teams |
| 4087s | in this group are Alexis Matari High SEC |
| 4088s | minors kitchen sinkhole shrakhan turbo |
| 4092s | feeder glory and no vacancies this is a |
| 4095s | super interesting group because Alliance |
| 4096s | room 18 is sponsored by the mimitar |
| 4098s | Republic |
| 4100s | so Minotaur ships are underpointed |
| 4102s | compared to some of the other |
| 4104s | um uh Empires and uh in the trials if |
| 4108s | there is a tie on matches then the uh |
| 4110s | the rust Factor whoever brought the most |
| 4112s | Minotaur ships is used to break that tie |
| 4115s | this is also the group with both |
| 4118s | of the well-known mimitar uh role role |
| 4123s | play groups Alexa better and ishra Khan |
| 4125s | both essentially competing for one spot |
| 4128s | in the main Alliance tournament there is |
| 4130s | the Redemption bracket of course so |
| 4131s | maybe we see one tick that lead position |
| 4134s | and one taking into the Redemption where |
| 4136s | they'll have to fight through more |
| 4137s | matches to try and secure their place uh |
| 4140s | Bart what do you think about the the two |
| 4142s | Minotaur uh role play cards ending up in |
| 4145s | the same tribe right now that's uh |
| 4148s | that's quite something |
| 4150s | well I'm not gonna lie we did a little |
| 4152s | tier list stream which was you know us |
| 4154s | just kind of taking the piss at uh teams |
| 4157s | and I put both of them into the good |
| 4159s | luck tier uh however you know Alexis |
| 4162s | Matari is now up one and zero so clearly |
| 4165s | you know there's some something here uh |
| 4167s | we'll see I believe the next match |
| 4168s | actually will have the other one in it |
| 4170s | so hopefully I redeem my uh talking |
| 4173s | there uh it is unfortunate it would be |
| 4175s | kind of cool for both Minotaur role play |
| 4177s | teams to be in separate brackets so that |
| 4179s | because of the way it works one of them |
| 4182s | might have a chance of 100 going through |
| 4184s | and the other one will like at best have |
| 4187s | to go play up against the best of the |
| 4189s | rest so uh it is possible both of them |
| 4192s | get through I don't think it's |
| 4193s | particularly likely |
| 4195s | it it is what it is but I I kind of wish |
| 4198s | they had been in separate brackets |
| 4199s | because it could have been their their |
| 4200s | dream run I mean this is the tournament |
| 4201s | for your Minotaur role-playing teams to |
| 4203s | actually win right |
| 4204s | we'll see what happens though |
| 4207s | so yeah I'll point out in that um tier |
| 4209s | list stream bar I put uh both |
| 4211s | electricity and usual can in the uh the |
| 4215s | middle tier and I was out voted and |
| 4218s | people used vetoes to put them back down |
| 4219s | again so I'm sitting quite smug right |
| 4222s | now that lesson tarry uh were sold when |
| 4225s | you were dominant in that last match |
| 4227s | over High SEC minors so that's uh that's |
| 4229s | good for me unfortunately I've got to |
| 4230s | put any twitch points on it otherwise uh |
| 4232s | I could have won a whole bunch don't |
| 4234s | forget out there in twitch land you can |
| 4236s | use your Twitch points uh the bet on the |
| 4238s | matches you can use them to redeem for |
| 4240s | our skins amongst other things or if |
| 4243s | you're a true Chad you can continue to |
| 4245s | bet them until you've got as many points |
| 4246s | as possible |
| 4248s | um let's look at our next match part you |
| 4250s | mentioned it briefly and it's going to |
| 4252s | be ushra can versus turbo feed Or Glory |
| 4255s | terrible Fleet Or Glory of course being |
| 4258s | um a wormhole group |
| 4260s | um with Mark resurrecter CSM member and |
| 4264s | hero slash villain of wormholes |
| 4266s | depending on your point of view and last |
| 4269s | Alliance tournament the basically it was |
| 4271s | all terrible feed there was no glory so |
| 4273s | they're looking to get a bit of Glory |
| 4275s | this time instead of instead of the |
| 4277s | trouble feeding the bands are on screen |
| 4279s | right now now ushra can have |
| 4281s | historically not done very well in |
| 4283s | Alliance tournament in the past they've |
| 4284s | played a bunch not really done very well |
| 4286s | so what we have here is two teams |
| 4289s | historically who both lose going up |
| 4292s | against each other so good news one of |
| 4294s | them probably has to win here ishra can |
| 4297s | Banning Bargas and hug him and the |
| 4299s | trickle-down ban as well which is that |
| 4301s | the first time we've seen those |
| 4304s | um Misty just quickly explained to me |
| 4305s | the trickle bands |
| 4308s | yeah sure so |
| 4311s | the way that the trickle bands work is |
| 4313s | that both teams get two bands initially |
| 4315s | so these will be blind bands they'll be |
| 4318s | able to put down the ships that they |
| 4319s | don't want to see coming up in the next |
| 4321s | match if both teams put the same ship |
| 4323s | down in this case we can see it's the |
| 4325s | bar guest then they both get the option |
| 4328s | to ban a different ship while the bar |
| 4330s | guest remains banned so |
| 4333s | um you know usual Khan kabo feel the |
| 4334s | glory both don't want to see the Bargas |
| 4336s | probably because it's a fairly flexible |
| 4338s | missile platform that can be used in |
| 4340s | both a shield and an armor setup and |
| 4342s | they're pretty hard to deal with in most |
| 4345s | scenarios they're very good damage very |
| 4347s | good with projection and they're very |
| 4348s | quick with two utility highs as well but |
| 4352s | we can see here that Usher Khan is very |
| 4353s | scared of webs because not only have |
| 4355s | they banned hugin as their second |
| 4357s | initial ban but they've also opted to |
| 4360s | ban the hyena as well so that gives me |
| 4362s | the idea that perhaps they're hoping to |
| 4363s | be very mobile they don't want to be |
| 4365s | pinned down too much but they also don't |
| 4367s | want to deal with too much projection |
| 4368s | coming out their way so they're looking |
| 4369s | to out project the enemy team |
| 4372s | yeah and then uh Bart the turbo feed |
| 4375s | team Banning that Scimitar it's a very |
| 4377s | popular ship in Shield comps especially |
| 4379s | kiting field comps |
| 4382s | um there isn't really much of a uh |
| 4384s | replacement for that unlike the nearest |
| 4385s | which you can mostly replace with a |
| 4387s | guardian the uh the Basilisk is just not |
| 4391s | a replacement for a scimitar why do |
| 4393s | people usually consider that |
| 4396s | uh the reality is is that you know the |
| 4398s | Scimitar has a very very good resist |
| 4400s | profile and is extremely fast for a |
| 4403s | logistic ship um that scimitars are |
| 4405s | faster than most uh possible armored |
| 4408s | tackle ships if you're flying them while |
| 4410s | you're at YouTube mwd uh versus you know |
| 4413s | basilisks are pretty slow they actually |
| 4415s | have pretty nasty em holes and well |
| 4418s | obviously in TQ land there's a lot of |
| 4421s | ways to solve all those problems in the |
| 4423s | at you kind of want to have the ability |
| 4425s | to self-rep sustain and avoid damage as |
| 4428s | much as possible you don't have 15 of |
| 4430s | your buddies there they can rep you and |
| 4432s | save you at the last minute |
| 4433s | um by Banning out the Scimitar I'm not |
| 4436s | going to say that they can't Shield kite |
| 4437s | because obviously you can do whatever |
| 4439s | you want I just don't think that you'll |
| 4441s | be able to do it anywhere near |
| 4442s | successfully as if you had the Scimitar |
| 4444s | in there so turbo feed clearly does not |
| 4447s | want to go up against the Shield kite |
| 4448s | they really I mean they ban the bargist |
| 4450s | and the Scimitar so they've kind of |
| 4452s | taken out two of the big ships they |
| 4454s | don't want to go up against light |
| 4455s | missile setups probably |
| 4458s | I think that you know they're very much |
| 4460s | showing what they want to do but we'll |
| 4461s | see if uh see if ushakon's able to read |
| 4464s | that sort of counter |
| 4467s | Mister you've uh you've flown in a |
| 4469s | couple of |
| 4470s | um upper tier teams in your time |
| 4473s | um we form Volta |
| 4475s | um Hydra of course as well uh now uh as |
| 4479s | a |
| 4480s | key member of the fraternity team when |
| 4482s | you see |
| 4484s | um bands coming in are you likely to try |
| 4487s | and say hey they are going to be |
| 4489s | avoiding they don't want to see Shield |
| 4490s | kiting are you going to try and still |
| 4492s | get Shield kiting in there because you |
| 4494s | know that they think they're weak |
| 4495s | against it or are you gonna say okay |
| 4497s | well our Shield case income has been |
| 4498s | weakened we're going to bring something |
| 4499s | completely different |
| 4502s | so I would say it depends on both the |
| 4506s | team that you're going up against and |
| 4507s | how far into the tournament you are at |
| 4510s | these initial stages where many of these |
| 4512s | teams are flying for the first time in |
| 4514s | quite a while |
| 4515s | it's probably going to be quite hard to |
| 4517s | predict what they actually mean or |
| 4519s | intend with their bands it may just be |
| 4521s | that they've practiced against it and |
| 4523s | they haven't figured out how to deal |
| 4524s | with that particular ship not |
| 4526s | necessarily an archetype |
| 4528s | um light kiting but just the fact that |
| 4530s | okay they see about August on grid and |
| 4532s | they are absolutely terrified of it so |
| 4533s | they just don't want to see it in an |
| 4535s | actual match that could be very well |
| 4536s | some of the thought processes that we're |
| 4538s | seeing with these teams here |
| 4540s | um but |
| 4542s | when it comes to deciding whether you |
| 4544s | play into the bands that the enemy team |
| 4545s | have and you bring something that you |
| 4547s | don't think they want to see the risk is |
| 4549s | that in your mind game it yourself I |
| 4551s | think you're better served just bringing |
| 4553s | a compost setup that you are very |
| 4555s | comfortable with not playing into the |
| 4559s | fears or the expectations of the enemy |
| 4560s | team because we've done that before in |
| 4562s | Volta and it has historically not worked |
| 4565s | out very well so uh yeah I cannot |
| 4568s | recommend |
| 4569s | awesome we can talk a bit more about uh |
| 4572s | mind games and The Meta of uh Alliance |
| 4575s | tournament uh a little bit later because |
| 4577s | it's time to go to the match I see the |
| 4578s | teams have landed in the arena so it's |
| 4580s | going to be usra can versus turbo feat |
| 4582s | Or Glory will they have Glory or will |
| 4585s | they trouble feed to shrekan uh let's |
| 4588s | hand over to the arena with dujek and |
| 4589s | Wingnut |
| 4597s | hello and welcome to the arena we have |
| 4601s | um ushra Khan versus turbo theater glory |
| 4603s | and the turbofit have brought a typical |
| 4606s | uh Rush setup whereas uh usho Khan have |
| 4610s | a |
| 4611s | very top heavy Battleship setup |
| 4615s | what do you think about this the triple |
| 4617s | battleships all at zero |
| 4621s | that'd be very interesting |
| 4624s | both have opted for uh frigate laundry |
| 4627s | in this uh case but we have Shield |
| 4629s | versus Armor and the match is just about |
| 4632s | to begin |
| 4635s | yeah it's gonna be very interesting |
| 4636s | because this that is an order kind of |
| 4638s | slept near as well so they basically |
| 4639s | have a rush comp against a triple |
| 4641s | Battleship core right in front of them |
| 4642s | and yeah they're they're going in for it |
| 4644s | Knight Hawking they've been hard tackled |
| 4645s | and here comes the DPS ECM drones and |
| 4648s | everything |
| 4649s | yeah |
| 4650s | um the turbo feed team have uh decided |
| 4654s | to pick off a slightly less tanky but |
| 4657s | less powerful ship in the Scythe Fleet |
| 4659s | whereas uh for sure can't have gone |
| 4662s | straight for a Nighthawk taking out the |
| 4664s | most powerful uh Shield links and uh a |
| 4668s | lot of the damage and he's taking a lot |
| 4670s | of damage |
| 4671s | they're not going to enjoy having that |
| 4674s | trade |
| 4676s | yep Noah's about to go down there we go |
| 4679s | so sci-fi for a Nighthawk they're gonna |
| 4680s | trigger for a step of Fleet now some |
| 4681s | damage to go to the ruptures they were |
| 4683s | having a bit of a Communications there |
| 4685s | but if they can get disruption to stab a |
| 4687s | fleet that's a lot of DPS but is that |
| 4688s | really worth a Nighthawk |
| 4691s | certainly not in the EPS but perhaps in |
| 4695s | uh control like it's going to be much |
| 4698s | harder to actually chew through a |
| 4700s | battleship for uh turbo feed at all |
| 4703s | especially if they lose their two uh |
| 4706s | largest DPS contributors in the sleptner |
| 4709s | and the Nighthawk the most over 1 100 |
| 4713s | DPS on paper each whereas the rupture is |
| 4717s | probably only like 350 or so and he's |
| 4720s | going down but they can't continue to |
| 4722s | trade like this forever like three |
| 4725s | smaller ships for one battle cruiser is |
| 4729s | not going to work in the long end and |
| 4731s | well that means |
| 4733s | he's about to die now |
| 4736s | yeah he's uh um |
| 4742s | so they've actually tried to escape away |
| 4744s | and he got caught down by one of the |
| 4745s | battleships just before his niled friend |
| 4747s | died so I think he's trying to get away |
| 4748s | knowing he was next he's still doing |
| 4750s | quite well he loves you from this Kirin |
| 4752s | and scalpel is still around trying to |
| 4753s | save him so he could maybe buy some time |
| 4755s | but they gotta find another Target to |
| 4757s | kill soon |
| 4758s | yeah if they don't get something down |
| 4761s | and the battle re commences but without |
| 4765s | any log she on the utrechan side that is |
| 4768s | going to be the way turbo feeds take |
| 4771s | this down but if they lose the sleptner |
| 4773s | before they take out either the Deacon |
| 4776s | or the Thalia |
| 4778s | I can't see this going their way |
| 4781s | yep that's unfortunately that's probably |
| 4783s | going to be the moment right there that |
| 4785s | that's a lot of DPS loss typhoon Fleet |
| 4787s | is taking damage but the valley Deacon |
| 4788s | are currently still up so they should be |
| 4790s | able to buy him quite a lot of times I'd |
| 4791s | have killed another Target so I think |
| 4793s | honestly that slip to going down was |
| 4795s | probably their last asked I say that the |
| 4797s | typhoon is still slowly falling Maybe |
| 4801s | yeah the fleet typhoon of 40 is also the |
| 4806s | person who's um being |
| 4809s | um guidance disruption probably by the |
| 4811s | Jack diamond or the steeple on the glory |
| 4813s | side |
| 4815s | he is not having a good day in that case |
| 4820s | really they could |
| 4822s | be back |
| 4826s | Billy dying |
| 4827s | yeah you could imagine that uh the turbo |
| 4831s | feed side might get a bonus from having |
| 4835s | smaller ships now it might actually be |
| 4839s | difficult for the other side to apply |
| 4843s | fully to them maybe the |
| 4846s | paper DPS in this case isn't going to be |
| 4849s | what makes the difference |
| 4851s | three percent structure and he's just |
| 4853s | getting enough repairs |
| 4857s | he's up to 10 hours he's logging been |
| 4859s | trying their best so close |
| 4862s | I think he's funny yeah |
| 4866s | but this is gonna wow |
| 4869s | I I think that if they get the grapples |
| 4873s | uh properly applied and lock something |
| 4876s | down this is gonna |
| 4879s | be a very uphill battle for turbofit |
| 4881s | despite having more ships on field now |
| 4883s | but they are doing significant damage to |
| 4886s | sarin Nathalia who has just launched as |
| 4888s | well |
| 4890s | like honestly |
| 4892s | it starts way |
| 4895s | yeah this Jack die is still gonna keep |
| 4897s | killing the Deacon probably if there's |
| 4900s | people helping him |
| 4901s | but if they lose the Onyx |
| 4905s | they don't really seem to be going to |
| 4908s | everything now and that Beacon is gonna |
| 4910s | just leave |
| 4912s | then swapped onto the pontifex and |
| 4914s | they're going to trade the pontifex for |
| 4916s | an onyx |
| 4918s | yeah that Deacon is burning around with |
| 4920s | they be doing like 900 Ms so he's very |
| 4922s | hard to hit with mostly I don't think |
| 4924s | anything's rapid lights I think they're |
| 4926s | uh hams right |
| 4928s | that we're checking yeah yeah I assume |
| 4932s | so I think so so yeah that's gonna be |
| 4933s | really hard to apply to that Beacon |
| 4936s | yeah the control bar of the ushra Khan |
| 4939s | is incredibly large into that balgorn |
| 4943s | and the Sentinel with nude sweps and |
| 4946s | disruption |
| 4948s | but the damage bar for Turbo feed does |
| 4952s | nothing |
| 4953s | you can barely see it they're not |
| 4955s | applying or shooting anything |
| 4957s | significant at the moment yep stepper |
| 4960s | Fleet just got killed |
| 4961s | I love that but it's just not going |
| 4963s | to do well with the Tempest Fleet and a |
| 4964s | bowel gone just ruining your day |
| 4967s | Cerberus I don't think that service |
| 4971s | yeah but I don't think that Cerberus |
| 4973s | could actually kill any of the |
| 4975s | battleships even if there was nothing |
| 4977s | else on field at this point there just |
| 4979s | isn't enough so I mean you could maybe |
| 4982s | do it but it wouldn't be definitely |
| 4983s | wouldn't be within battle time for sure |
| 4985s | it would take him some time |
| 4988s | everyone nurse make a hamster |
| 4992s | and he actually will get the Deacon so |
| 4994s | respect for that that does get rid of |
| 4995s | the lodgy but it's too little too late |
| 4997s | maybe go for the central next try and |
| 4998s | remove that Bloody ewall but |
| 5000s | it's it's strong several feet are also |
| 5002s | too far behind on points they would have |
| 5005s | to kill |
| 5007s | well let's see they they wouldn't |
| 5009s | actually catch up even if they killed |
| 5011s | the balgorn they have to kill at least |
| 5013s | two shots |
| 5016s | yeah server is going to go down so that |
| 5018s | there's pretty much no chance of it but |
| 5019s | you know in our hearts we can imagine |
| 5021s | them killing the Ponting Sentinel and |
| 5022s | maybe somehow killing the Tempest of the |
| 5024s | Battleground but |
| 5027s | and killed |
| 5030s | yeah they're the scoring points matters |
| 5032s | they had a lot of uh men with our ships |
| 5035s | on their team like high breaks could |
| 5038s | potentially matter in this format if uh |
| 5042s | their opponents if the bracket ends up |
| 5045s | with uh one win one loss on each team |
| 5049s | that could be the case |
| 5052s | yeah I think there's a few moments this |
| 5054s | match could have flipped in the other |
| 5055s | way there was actually like that attempt |
| 5057s | that typhoon taking that little bit |
| 5058s | longer to die might have bought them a |
| 5060s | bit of extra time I don't think we |
| 5061s | particularly needed it but could maybe |
| 5063s | have happened the slept near he tried to |
| 5065s | run away but a bit too late so you got |
| 5066s | caught by these battleships so there are |
| 5069s | probably some chances here it could have |
| 5070s | maybe flipped but honestly it was going |
| 5072s | to be a tall mountain to climb with as a |
| 5073s | triple Battleship core in front of your |
| 5075s | face |
| 5077s | yeah |
| 5079s | and so much control I think the usual |
| 5082s | Khan team was uh |
| 5084s | prepared for several eventualities like |
| 5087s | the balgorn is a gun Gorn but like they |
| 5090s | have the new they have some |
| 5093s | uh disruptions they've got web scrapples |
| 5096s | quite a few things about going is the |
| 5099s | eventuality |
| 5101s | could do most things to be honest it's a |
| 5103s | very good ship to have big old ball of |
| 5105s | control |
| 5108s | yeah there is a reason why they're |
| 5109s | banned as flagships later in the |
| 5111s | tournament they would just be a little |
| 5113s | bit too good to getting all of the |
| 5116s | benefit from having officer mods |
| 5120s | and useful ones at that newts and webs |
| 5126s | well at least there's two on two that's |
| 5128s | a fair fight right |
| 5130s | oh yeah definitely this is a fair fight |
| 5132s | in the YouTube Battleship versus two |
| 5133s | destroyers definitely fair |
| 5135s | I I 100 support this |
| 5142s | I mean that was yeah it's we saw three |
| 5145s | battleships warping in at zero and they |
| 5146s | did not lose for it so congratulations |
| 5148s | for that one that's uh improving the |
| 5150s | analysts wrong no no it's a lot of |
| 5153s | Courage at least |
| 5156s | oh yeah you gotta slap him on the table |
| 5158s | don't you know |
| 5159s | yeah |
| 5160s | also I feel like a lot of these Rush |
| 5163s | setups have |
| 5165s | been a bit lighter on DPS than I was |
| 5168s | expecting like you and like when I think |
| 5172s | Shield rush I think three battle |
| 5175s | Cruisers |
| 5177s | doing |
| 5178s | a lot of damage there's a lot of |
| 5182s | support going on and a lot of |
| 5185s | High application but lower damage ships |
| 5189s | as well |
| 5191s | like if you're going yeah you should |
| 5193s | kind of thing uh channeling their uh |
| 5195s | mimitar Heritage here and they brought |
| 5197s | like a honestly a great mix between |
| 5198s | control and high DPS ships it was |
| 5201s | honestly like there's also quite a comp |
| 5203s | I don't think it'd be a metacom layer |
| 5204s | down the line but it's definitely a good |
| 5206s | mix of stuff that really just proved |
| 5208s | quite potent here especially against the |
| 5210s | uh the hopeful Nighthawk slope near rush |
| 5212s | they had going against them |
| 5216s | yeah and the bands make sense in light |
| 5219s | of what we've seen turbo feed definitely |
| 5222s | wanting something that didn't kite away |
| 5224s | from them too much and they got that to |
| 5226s | be fair |
| 5227s | they got people staying at zero and uh |
| 5230s | brawling there |
| 5235s | yep well I'm just gonna call that zero |
| 5237s | gravitas Banksy you cheeky bugger get |
| 5240s | down there and either get out the arena |
| 5242s | or get killed I don't care which please |
| 5245s | nevermind the match has ended perfect |
| 5247s | timing thank you so much boys we'll head |
| 5249s | back to the studio and see what they |
| 5250s | think on this one |
| 5253s | in the Silence of the night we will |
| 5255s | always hear the screams so this is our |
| 5259s | story wolves are monks to strangers |
| 5263s | did you know that anything can happen in |
| 5266s | Ultra fleets |
| 5268s | are you still shaving Jesus why you |
| 5272s | messed up some big balls yeah |
| 5276s | yeah literally anything |
| 5295s | thank you |
| 5298s | foreign |
| 5314s | sorry the second minitar group uh |
| 5317s | winning there as trouble feeder Glory I |
| 5319s | would say that wasn't quite a turbo feat |
| 5321s | I would say that was like a minor feed |
| 5322s | however their name implies that they |
| 5324s | only accept binary responses so in this |
| 5327s | case it was a terrible feed |
| 5329s | um it's for Canada both one and O in |
| 5332s | this instance uh mystical might uh what |
| 5335s | do you want to talk about in that match |
| 5336s | I saw a whole bunch of things I saw |
| 5338s | absolute hero tanking by uh 40 Wings in |
| 5341s | that iPhone using the power of the |
| 5343s | Republic to his benefit to just declined |
| 5346s | to die which is uh certainly a strong |
| 5349s | superpower to have in an alliance |
| 5351s | tournament match I also saw a bunch of |
| 5353s | newts on the logifricts from a sentinel |
| 5356s | and that looked pretty important as well |
| 5358s | uh what what do you want to talk about |
| 5359s | I'll let you let you choose |
| 5362s | sure uh I'll talk about the usra Khan |
| 5364s | side of things if that's okay with uh |
| 5366s | black bar uh I'll leave the other team |
| 5369s | to you |
| 5370s | um with the usual con side of things uh |
| 5373s | yeah you identified that 40 Winks in the |
| 5375s | typhoon Fleet issue managed to prolong |
| 5377s | his death by burning away from that Loki |
| 5380s | and their Onyx when he was hitting |
| 5382s | structure about half structure |
| 5384s | um we were talking in the back channels |
| 5386s | and I was saying that really he should |
| 5387s | have been burning away much earlier than |
| 5389s | that when he still had plenty of armor |
| 5390s | left because he had the benefit of being |
| 5393s | able to project around the arena whereas |
| 5396s | the two ships that were already shooting |
| 5397s | him at that time the onyx and the Loki |
| 5401s | uh effectively cap dry events of alcohol |
| 5404s | so they weren't able to tackle him down |
| 5406s | and so he should have put that to use |
| 5409s | um and burned out of their weapon |
| 5411s | you didn't and unfortunately a step of |
| 5413s | Fleet issue was able to chase him down |
| 5414s | and finish him off towards the end but |
| 5416s | he did a really good job of prolonging |
| 5418s | his life as long as possible by figuring |
| 5421s | out that he should probably burn away |
| 5422s | sooner rather than later |
| 5425s | um you know if he'd been a little bit |
| 5426s | sooner he would have lived the entire |
| 5427s | time I think |
| 5428s | but with the bow gone uh one perhaps |
| 5431s | suggestion for improvement is with the |
| 5435s | balcon newts for anyone who's not too |
| 5437s | aware of them |
| 5438s | um the balcor can have |
| 5440s | three utility highs |
| 5442s | I think typically you'll fill these with |
| 5446s | notes um and they're bonus notes so |
| 5448s | they'll new an extreme amount compared |
| 5450s | to what a normal nuke would |
| 5452s | on another ship |
| 5455s | nice uh the problem is you might get |
| 5459s | extremely wide there |
| 5461s | wide I've been I've been trying to do it |
| 5463s | on my end yeah |
| 5467s | um uh yeah sorry the problem was uh with |
| 5471s | a nuke that strong dedicating that neat |
| 5473s | to a ship like a speeple or a Kirin or a |
| 5476s | scalpel that are already being pressured |
| 5478s | by The Sentinel that Usher Khan had is |
| 5480s | effectively a waste of that neutralizer |
| 5482s | because they have such a long cycle time |
| 5484s | that um you're not really getting much |
| 5486s | out of it if you're newting out as |
| 5488s | people so if he had spent that entire |
| 5490s | time muting out the core |
| 5493s | of the other team that I think they |
| 5495s | would have performed a lot better |
| 5496s | um but yeah I mean they won anyway so |
| 5498s | Props to Usher Khan are not quite as |
| 5501s | garbage as Blackboard thought |
| 5503s | there you are so |
| 5505s | um I'm gonna come over to you in our |
| 5506s | wide bark pirate |
| 5508s | um what do you think that tribal feeder |
| 5510s | Glory could have done differently in |
| 5512s | that particular match uh to secure |
| 5514s | themselves to win because as Misty said |
| 5516s | um I made a few mistakes like they could |
| 5519s | have been capitalized on but they didn't |
| 5523s | uh yeah I think that honestly I really |
| 5525s | liked turbo feed start um I think that |
| 5527s | them taking out the uh you know they |
| 5529s | took out the site Fleet issue the |
| 5531s | stabber the rupture right off the bat I |
| 5532s | think that was very smart on their end |
| 5534s | uh because all three of those ships |
| 5536s | really aren't that tanky like they're |
| 5537s | all they're all taquan Cruisers they |
| 5539s | melted really fast |
| 5540s | um I maybe it wasn't necessarily like |
| 5543s | the perfect choice I'm sure if they did |
| 5545s | it again they'd try something different |
| 5546s | but for what they did that was a great |
| 5548s | idea I did not like the follow-up on |
| 5551s | that where they then tried to take down |
| 5553s | and ended up succeeding |
| 5556s | after a very long amount of time due to |
| 5558s | you know the hero tanking uh of that |
| 5560s | Battleship and uh like Misty said that |
| 5563s | Sentinel was like the key of that Fleet |
| 5567s | I don't know if they would have been |
| 5568s | able to take the Sentinel down with the |
| 5569s | remaining ships that they had but I |
| 5571s | think that you know you have to try and |
| 5573s | by not taking it down you pretty much |
| 5575s | guaranteed your loss um we saw the |
| 5578s | entire time that turbo feeds Logistics |
| 5581s | frigates had Sentinel notes on them |
| 5583s | which cycle very quickly I'm sure those |
| 5585s | Logistics forgets for me to be getting |
| 5586s | like |
| 5587s | one cycle off every couple of seconds at |
| 5590s | most like maybe a single rep every |
| 5592s | couple seconds and they also had a ton |
| 5594s | of EC drones on top of them so you know |
| 5597s | this this poor logic forgets they had a |
| 5598s | really bad time uh I think that turbo |
| 5601s | feed they had to take the Sentinel out I |
| 5603s | don't know if they would have been able |
| 5604s | to it's entirely possible it wouldn't |
| 5605s | have gone down but not even really |
| 5607s | trying until the last minute kind of |
| 5609s | sealed their defeat |
| 5611s | yeah and of course um with fourth year |
| 5613s | length tanking so long it just prolongs |
| 5615s | the match like that's that's more time |
| 5618s | that you could be shooting somebody else |
| 5619s | like I know that sounds pretty obvious |
| 5621s | but every second that you keep yourself |
| 5622s | Alive by doing something smart like |
| 5624s | burning away getting out of range |
| 5627s | um you know focusing on the drones that |
| 5629s | are killing anything along those lines |
| 5630s | means that there's more time that the |
| 5632s | other TMS has been shooting you well |
| 5634s | you're still alive shooting them and |
| 5636s | that can be uh when are lost and set |
| 5639s | scenarios so yeah great job uh the |
| 5642s | momentary Republic thanks you for your |
| 5644s | service now let's look forward to the |
| 5646s | next match it's going to be scary |
| 5648s | Wormhole people uh AKA versus Specter |
| 5652s | Fleet |
| 5653s | um the uh Infamous |
| 5655s | mpsi group |
| 5657s | let's have a look at the bands for these |
| 5659s | two matches so |
| 5661s | scary one more people Banning the balgar |
| 5662s | and that makes sense they're a wormhole |
| 5664s | grip they're probably terrified |
| 5665s | Battlegrounds and lookies |
| 5667s | um whereas interesting coming in from |
| 5669s | Specter Fleek here zarmsad and a gila uh |
| 5673s | Bart what are you making the zombie |
| 5676s | I I mean I think that it's a very |
| 5679s | strange ban uh just because the zarm is |
| 5682s | so many points and it has uh some |
| 5685s | glaring weaknesses it does have some |
| 5687s | very good strengths it is probably the |
| 5689s | most difficult to kill Logistics Cruiser |
| 5691s | in the game both on TQ and in the |
| 5694s | alliance tournament as we don't have uh |
| 5696s | Alliance tournament ships anymore for |
| 5699s | those but |
| 5700s | it's so many points like it is a massive |
| 5703s | number of points it can only rep one |
| 5704s | thing at once I'm very curious of what |
| 5707s | Specter feat's plan is by Banning it |
| 5709s | like it maybe they're planning on |
| 5710s | splitting DPS among amongst a bunch of |
| 5712s | ships or maybe they're just like oh |
| 5714s | zarms that's kind of a wormholer ship |
| 5715s | let's ban that |
| 5717s | um if they're using you know if they're |
| 5718s | doing it intelligently though I like I |
| 5720s | would expect Specter to do some kind of |
| 5722s | multiple Target you know like maybe |
| 5724s | they're gonna hit the slow end and the |
| 5726s | high end at the same time uh maybe just |
| 5728s | their practicing has said that this |
| 5730s | arm's a very good ship though we really |
| 5732s | don't know |
| 5734s | awesome well let's find out is this arm |
| 5736s | uh going to be a good ship not in this |
| 5738s | match at least because it's banned uh |
| 5740s | but let's see what else they bring |
| 5741s | instead as we go to scary bar more |
| 5742s | people versus Specter Fleet with Wingnut |
| 5744s | cross and gentan |
| 5751s | hello everyone and welcome to the arena |
| 5754s | as you can see we have a really |
| 5756s | interesting matchup here with a triple |
| 5758s | Battleship all in comp from uh Spector |
| 5761s | Fleet going up against what looks like a |
| 5762s | shield kingslayer variation uh from |
| 5765s | scary Wormhole people |
| 5769s | uh yeah it's gonna be very very |
| 5771s | interesting once we get to the screen |
| 5773s | hold on there we go okay so uh just to |
| 5777s | introduce things uh we've got a very |
| 5779s | interesting match up here with a three |
| 5780s | Battleship all in being brought by |
| 5782s | Specter Fleet um going up against what |
| 5784s | looks to be a shield King Slayer |
| 5786s | variation from scary Wormhole people |
| 5789s | without heavy battleships that are gonna |
| 5792s | try and pound it they're gonna charge |
| 5794s | you with everything Tempest baby it's |
| 5796s | gonna be creatively it has yeah |
| 5799s | Leroy |
| 5805s | and they're off |
| 5807s | yeah these caracals from TDC are gonna |
| 5809s | have to put in work they need to get on |
| 5811s | top of those bombers and start dpsing |
| 5813s | them down quickly or their own |
| 5814s | battleships are going to fall in seconds |
| 5816s | uh to the sheer amount of DPS that they |
| 5819s | can put out on this grid there you go |
| 5820s | you can already see those light missiles |
| 5822s | doing work on that yeah oh my God |
| 5825s | but he's in he's in he's in he's in but |
| 5829s | how long is he gonna be alive for us he |
| 5831s | sits there at about 20 armor starting to |
| 5834s | get a little bit of reps now but my |
| 5836s | goodness he is falling quickly to the |
| 5839s | combined Torpedoes he did yes on the |
| 5841s | Ravens the weakest one there go go go |
| 5843s | the characters are picking off bombers |
| 5844s | in the background I've got two bombers |
| 5845s | in the back trying to provide extra |
| 5846s | Battleship DPS that Vindicator is now |
| 5848s | going into Hull come on my man do it I |
| 5851s | believe |
| 5852s | if they can kill that Raven before the |
| 5854s | windy goes down that's going to be huge |
| 5855s | for them though um it will let them just |
| 5857s | get those last few licks in on the |
| 5859s | Scorpion Navy issue and put it under so |
| 5860s | much pressure before it manages to uh |
| 5862s | it's almost regening Health what's going |
| 5864s | on here how is how is he surviving |
| 5866s | massive rep drones rep drones everywhere |
| 5868s | there's so many of them he's gold not |
| 5870s | for dealer left the second bomber goes |
| 5872s | down the Raven is in Hell come on I |
| 5874s | believe in you buddy you can do it |
| 5876s | yeah and there we go the Raven is in |
| 5878s | very very low Hull here it looks like |
| 5880s | he's doing this amazing stuff |
| 5882s | respectively they're winning the all-in |
| 5884s | race it looks like all of these |
| 5886s | battleships are just sitting in the |
| 5887s | middle of one another in a ball there |
| 5889s | are smart bombs firing they're trying to |
| 5891s | kill off uh kill off these rap drones |
| 5892s | but it's just not happening fast enough |
| 5894s | and the Scorpion Navy issues they're |
| 5896s | going to be running out of Rapid heavy |
| 5897s | missile charges soon enough and that's |
| 5899s | going to put them at such a disadvantage |
| 5901s | versus the Specter fleet team which |
| 5902s | could just keep pressing F1 harder than |
| 5905s | them and longer than them and this is |
| 5907s | the worst thing about bringing the |
| 5908s | kingslayer cop it is an amazing comp |
| 5909s | until you do not kill at which point you |
| 5912s | are worthless these battleships have to |
| 5914s | reload now and this vinegar is just |
| 5915s | sitting there not giving the slices of |
| 5917s | shits and is now beating down on a scorp |
| 5919s | Navy which is by the way an incredibly |
| 5921s | tanky ship and Adidas doesn't care |
| 5925s | yeah they were able to use those |
| 5926s | caracals to just clear off those bombers |
| 5928s | but those deacons are still alive and |
| 5931s | they're gonna they're gonna need to go |
| 5932s | in and try and pressure them now they're |
| 5934s | gonna need to pick off one of these |
| 5935s | deacons early um sorry one of these |
| 5936s | deacons to really turn the match in |
| 5938s | their favor this scorpion Navy issue of |
| 5940s | Carl brutor he's not dying nearly as |
| 5941s | fast as his compatriot in The Raven and |
| 5943s | and |
| 5944s | low back into Hull |
| 5948s | Here We Go Round Two vindy can you |
| 5950s | survive another one I don't think you |
| 5951s | can though it's not enough rep drones on |
| 5952s | them but I think a bunch got smart |
| 5953s | bombed off this might be the end for the |
| 5955s | window K to come on my men I believe in |
| 5957s | you |
| 5958s | yeah there's also a really interesting |
| 5959s | tackle war going on in the background |
| 5961s | with these Cruisers just trying to |
| 5963s | screen off the hawk screen off the um |
| 5965s | and uh just keep them from really having |
| 5968s | an impact on this match from getting in |
| 5969s | on these battleships it's going well so |
| 5972s | far this question of how long they can |
| 5974s | hold up after that vindicate it again |
| 5979s | wow my man |
| 5981s | instantly oh my man you got the big |
| 5984s | balls in this battlefield I love it so |
| 5986s | much the Scorpion Navy though is |
| 5987s | actually incredibly tanky himself I |
| 5989s | honestly thought they'd kill him by now |
| 5990s | but he's still there Phantom goes down |
| 5992s | this one of the uh Roger freaks had just |
| 5995s | been deleted I suspect the web of windy |
| 5997s | finished that one off oh it goes down |
| 5999s | though there goes the windy there goes |
| 6001s | the vindi at long last it took them a |
| 6003s | while but now it's even two battleships |
| 6005s | a piece uh we've still got oh no we've |
| 6007s | still got the two Logistics frigates |
| 6009s | alive though that's gonna give them the |
| 6010s | sustain as this match goes on uh and |
| 6012s | they've also got all the utility from |
| 6013s | those 10 best Fleet issues still at play |
| 6015s | these scorpion Navy issues can't don't |
| 6018s | have quite the same amount of mids free |
| 6019s | to really control the match and slow it |
| 6022s | down as things go on that said gaming513 |
| 6024s | Tyler he is taking chunks as well |
| 6026s | they're gonna need to get on top of |
| 6027s | these Cruisers really they've got to |
| 6029s | stop chewing away at Carl brutal he is |
| 6031s | not breaking they need to disengage from |
| 6034s | this Central battle and start picking |
| 6035s | away at this support you leverage the uh |
| 6038s | High tracking of those Auto cannons and |
| 6040s | just power through the rest of this team |
| 6042s | if those scorpion Navy issues are |
| 6043s | sitting there on their own there's no |
| 6044s | way they can win this match |
| 6047s | they're going to kill something now they |
| 6049s | can't just sit here it's just just not |
| 6050s | working for them at the moment they'd be |
| 6051s | fair one of them is held down but the |
| 6052s | other Tempest Fleet could definitely do |
| 6053s | some damage they have a good range |
| 6054s | application as well |
| 6056s | this is just you gotta change tactics |
| 6058s | now I I get the commit I love it I'm all |
| 6061s | for it but you gotta change up find |
| 6063s | something else there's this Nighthawk |
| 6064s | nearby you could beat down on the |
| 6066s | caracals are not not too far away burst |
| 6068s | gets deleted there are options here make |
| 6070s | use of them you can do it |
| 6073s | yeah we are seeing a lot of newts come |
| 6075s | out from these scorpion Navy issues but |
| 6077s | they should be able to just power |
| 6078s | through them with um with cat boosters |
| 6080s | for at least a little while they will |
| 6082s | run out eventually the you know the |
| 6084s | Tempest way issues they have a |
| 6085s | surprisingly little amount of cargo bay |
| 6086s | uh you've only got around five minutes |
| 6088s | of three two hundreds to charge through |
| 6091s | this |
| 6092s | um |
| 6094s | wow this is just rough temperatures |
| 6100s | this is the Make It or Break It moment |
| 6102s | that they're fully committed to the |
| 6103s | sculpt Navy now there's too late to |
| 6104s | change this fleet's about to go but |
| 6106s | maybe you go down this is full |
| 6108s | commitment mode guys all in get that |
| 6110s | scorp Navy overheat Fray they've killed |
| 6112s | the lodgy so just maybe just maybe they |
| 6114s | can hold but he's getting real low |
| 6118s | is that maybe like a regen School Navy |
| 6121s | or something like that I don't |
| 6122s | understand how he's tanking so well with |
| 6124s | no Logistics on the grid you must have |
| 6126s | like three levels please |
| 6132s | empathy live please I want to see this |
| 6134s | The Vindicator can't lose |
| 6137s | mm-hmm |
| 6138s | this Nighthawk though is doing amazing |
| 6141s | work I I believe I don't know if he's a |
| 6143s | ham or not I haven't checked uh and I |
| 6145s | probably should have before the start |
| 6146s | this match but he is just sitting here |
| 6148s | not really being pressured and just |
| 6150s | pounding damage into this field |
| 6153s | uh I believe those are hams so he is |
| 6155s | putting out nearly a thousand DPS and he |
| 6157s | hasn't even been touched none of the |
| 6158s | attack was gone for him another tackles |
| 6159s | tried to screen him gaming 513 regening |
| 6162s | a bit of armor here though this is |
| 6163s | really close this is gonna go |
| 6165s | how's the tanking what in the world is |
| 6168s | going on how |
| 6170s | how is he still tanking there's no logic |
| 6173s | left |
| 6175s | there's no Logistics left but he has |
| 6177s | just so so much ehp by the looks of |
| 6179s | things that it doesn't matter like he's |
| 6181s | he's just representing that he just |
| 6183s | wrapped up they are not making an |
| 6185s | emotion and the purpose goes down oh no |
| 6191s | uh your baby The Vindicator is |
| 6194s | apparently not a windicator in this case |
| 6195s | it's going to take some major major |
| 6197s | plays here perspectively to come back |
| 6199s | into this game even with those deacons |
| 6201s | now uh they've lost a flight of heavy |
| 6204s | red drones from the other Tempest Fleet |
| 6206s | issues so Varian Stone Shard should go |
| 6208s | down quickly here |
| 6209s | getting too hard and for too long on |
| 6212s | something that wasn't working here |
| 6213s | respectively really unfortunately yeah |
| 6216s | that's particularly definitely burned |
| 6216s | their guns for sure Tempest Fleet I |
| 6218s | don't think he's even firing anymore |
| 6222s | oh no |
| 6224s | oh yeah you can see that attack bar is |
| 6227s | minuscule it is smaller than me |
| 6230s | wow that just goes to show how how much |
| 6235s | um how much you can out think yourself |
| 6237s | in matches like this all it takes is |
| 6239s | holding down shift for too long and not |
| 6242s | clicking it on quite the right cycle |
| 6243s | when suddenly you're an illusion it |
| 6245s | wasn't a comp's fault right the comp was |
| 6247s | good it's just that they they went too |
| 6249s | hard over here the guns yep it's |
| 6250s | definitely not the cop the cop was going |
| 6251s | to win this is all spectacle Fleet |
| 6253s | throwing out the window I can't blame |
| 6255s | The Vindicator |
| 6258s | yeah that that is this is probably the |
| 6260s | uh biggest choke we'll see today uh |
| 6263s | respectively absolutely had the |
| 6264s | advantage in that early game uh but they |
| 6267s | committed too hard onto that scorp Navy |
| 6268s | and then ultimately burnt out their guns |
| 6271s | trying to break it before then purposely |
| 6274s | just leaving say look like he 'd have |
| 6275s | done that at any point picked pick |
| 6277s | Target he's now leaving after it no |
| 6279s | longer matters like they could |
| 6281s | hear the other options he's just leaving |
| 6283s | me I'm like I'm done I'm just going for |
| 6284s | the edge see you guys yeah they're |
| 6286s | finally putting DPS on these caracals |
| 6288s | you know if they'd have done that |
| 6289s | earlier on in the game maybe they'd have |
| 6291s | been able to keep their frigates alive |
| 6292s | keep their tackle alive uh hold |
| 6295s | something else down and control the |
| 6297s | match you know that |
| 6298s | it's it's a real shame uh we see the |
| 6301s | deacons here finally getting DPS down by |
| 6303s | these uh Miracles and the reigning |
| 6304s | tackle from the scary Wormhole people's |
| 6307s | side |
| 6307s | nice execution I gotta say you've got to |
| 6309s | hand it to um scary Wormhole people for |
| 6312s | not folding under the pressure not |
| 6313s | giving up when they lost the advantage |
| 6315s | and keeping on pressuring knowing their |
| 6317s | roots to Victory which was through to |
| 6319s | destroying that top end and killing off |
| 6321s | those uh bombers right in the early game |
| 6325s | I'm not sure I can give them any props |
| 6327s | my heart is broken The Vindicator is |
| 6328s | lost yeah they honestly just did really |
| 6331s | well they tanked it quite well they |
| 6332s | tried to uh remove the logic drones as |
| 6334s | well so they they honestly sat there |
| 6336s | took the pressure from the rush they |
| 6337s | managed to hold on did lose a ship but |
| 6340s | yeah just |
| 6341s | burning guns not that's not the way you |
| 6343s | want to lose |
| 6344s | no no it's such a tough way to it's such |
| 6347s | a tough way to lose |
| 6348s | um it's one of those ones where |
| 6350s | you you everyone knows it's not what you |
| 6352s | want to do but |
| 6354s | you you try and try your best |
| 6358s | uh but sometimes the RNG goes against |
| 6361s | you there unfortunately |
| 6364s | it looks like durian stage |
| 6366s | the fat guy uh long jump record though |
| 6369s | as he burns towards that Beacon let's |
| 6371s | see how far he can get a battleship out |
| 6372s | of the Arena |
| 6374s | are you seconds he's gonna do it now |
| 6376s | there we go |
| 6380s | honorable weirdness |
| 6387s | um |
| 6388s | and he is 207 kilometers out of the |
| 6391s | Arena that's a that's quite the that's |
| 6393s | quite the jump you gotta say wait no |
| 6396s | we're just waiting here for a mop-up |
| 6399s | um I don't know if we'll see this Shield |
| 6400s | uh The Shield kingslayer brought out |
| 6403s | again it's uh |
| 6404s | it's one of those comps where you lack |
| 6406s | the typical control that allows you to |
| 6408s | get through the reload of the armor |
| 6410s | kingslayer uh bringing it is very very |
| 6413s | bossy and it's paid off here for TD sin |
| 6416s | so let's hand it back to the studio and |
| 6418s | we'll discuss a bit more about how that |
| 6420s | happened and how to not burn out your |
| 6421s | guns |
| 6431s | foreign |
| 6471s | there you are a scary Wormhole people uh |
| 6474s | dunking on Specter Fleet actually that's |
| 6476s | not entirely true respectively they're |
| 6478s | dunking on Specter Fleet |
| 6480s | um as the uh inability to manage heat on |
| 6483s | the guns potentially cost them the match |
| 6486s | um worth shouting out Ensign like Leon |
| 6489s | in that Vindicator near the start that |
| 6490s | was some hero piloting from him just |
| 6492s | tanking and tanking declining to die but |
| 6495s | like three reloads of the rapid Heavies |
| 6497s | coming in to try and actually take them |
| 6499s | out uh I'm actually going to use the |
| 6500s | power investors in me to promote him |
| 6502s | from Ensign to um Junior Lieutenant |
| 6505s | there you go that's what I'm gonna do uh |
| 6507s | so mystical might other than pure heat |
| 6510s | management |
| 6511s | um what was going on in that match that |
| 6513s | seemed to be a bit of a bit of a |
| 6514s | curveball the whole thing |
| 6517s | yeah it was quite the slog I think for |
| 6519s | both teams |
| 6520s | um The Shield setup that we saw coming |
| 6522s | out from want to say scary Wormhole |
| 6526s | people so say one |
| 6528s | um yeah it suffered quite a bit from the |
| 6531s | fact that they had to reload their |
| 6532s | weapons throughout various points in |
| 6534s | that match so at the very beginning we |
| 6536s | saw that The Vindicator actually dropped |
| 6537s | fairly low I expected The Vindicator to |
| 6540s | die within that first minute there of |
| 6543s | those ships kind of locking horns but I |
| 6546s | hadn't realized by that time that the |
| 6548s | Raven and the Scorpion Navy issues had |
| 6550s | rapid Heavies so a I guess a unique |
| 6554s | um characteristic of Rapid missile |
| 6557s | systems whether they're lights or |
| 6559s | Heavies is that they're able to burst |
| 6562s | damage very very well so they get I |
| 6565s | think 20 cycles of their missiles and |
| 6568s | then they have to go into a very long |
| 6569s | reload and in that time they basically |
| 6572s | do absolutely nothing for you so yeah I |
| 6575s | think that's really where some of the |
| 6577s | struggles came in for for the scary |
| 6579s | Wormhole people team |
| 6582s | yeah I mean |
| 6585s | that was just one of those matches where |
| 6586s | it could have gone either way and I |
| 6588s | would have loved to see what would |
| 6589s | happened if |
| 6591s | um the respect for the team had managed |
| 6592s | to keep their guns intact and firing uh |
| 6594s | because I think they were in a good |
| 6596s | position to to bring it back just based |
| 6598s | on how long that um Vindicator survived |
| 6601s | they were able to start going through |
| 6602s | going through things now are one thing |
| 6604s | we did see a lot of in both teams in |
| 6606s | that last matches uh kind of a Target |
| 6608s | fixation you know you're shooting |
| 6610s | someone and you're not killing them but |
| 6612s | you keep shooting them and you just keep |
| 6614s | shooting them and you keep shooting them |
| 6615s | sort of hoping for something to change I |
| 6617s | guess I mean we heard the casters uh |
| 6619s | calling for them to change up and do |
| 6620s | something |
| 6621s | um why does that happen like how is it |
| 6624s | so easy to get suck it into just |
| 6625s | shooting something when it's not working |
| 6628s | it's always hard to tell if you're not |
| 6630s | breaking someone because |
| 6632s | you're you don't have enough DPS for it |
| 6634s | or if you're not breaking them because |
| 6636s | like maybe you're not in optimal range |
| 6637s | yet maybe you're you know out tracking |
| 6640s | yourself maybe your newts haven't landed |
| 6642s | yet |
| 6642s | um |
| 6643s | so I it kind of makes sense I'm I'm |
| 6646s | wondering if Specter Fleet like when |
| 6648s | we'd have to re-look it to figure out |
| 6650s | the exact moment when the gun's burned |
| 6652s | out on that TFI but I I'm wondering if |
| 6655s | they didn't really say anything about |
| 6657s | the guns burning out for a little bit |
| 6658s | and |
| 6660s | possibly like if they had called it |
| 6663s | immediately like then oh crap my guns |
| 6664s | burned out and then maybe swapped it |
| 6666s | might have worked uh that scorpion Navy |
| 6668s | definitely was very slowly almost |
| 6669s | breaking for a while and I think that |
| 6671s | they just kind of were like well if we |
| 6673s | can just take this one shift down we'll |
| 6674s | win |
| 6675s | they fixated on it like you said um they |
| 6678s | respectively did do a good job swapping |
| 6679s | uh to the logic frigates when they |
| 6683s | realized that they weren't actually |
| 6684s | breaking anything that first time I |
| 6685s | think that maybe if they had continued |
| 6687s | to like work on that bottom end |
| 6689s | um you know telling a raven great idea |
| 6691s | scorpion Navy issue is the next Target I |
| 6693s | mean that's |
| 6694s | still one of the most tanky ships in the |
| 6696s | game regardless as if you have logic or |
| 6698s | not so I think that if they kind of kept |
| 6700s | that plan of going from like lodgy |
| 6703s | fruits and maybe working on like those |
| 6704s | caracals or maybe even the Nighthawk |
| 6705s | they could have done something even with |
| 6707s | the burn guns |
| 6709s | awesome and uh Misty we actually saw at |
| 6711s | the start a couple of bombers on the the |
| 6714s | Specter fleet team and there you go ask |
| 6716s | dunk pretty quickly why would you focus |
| 6719s | on bombers right at the start like that |
| 6723s | in a setup where your top end is |
| 6725s | essentially three battleships |
| 6728s | um bombers are super scary especially if |
| 6731s | you're not going to be moving anywhere |
| 6732s | right so |
| 6733s | um I think it was a very important |
| 6735s | decision for them to take those bombers |
| 6736s | out at the very beginning because they |
| 6738s | are essentially two more battleships |
| 6740s | worth of damage at the Specter Fleet |
| 6743s | um team would have been able to bring to |
| 6744s | the grid |
| 6745s | um I think that's really where we saw |
| 6747s | the Raven dying so quickly at the start |
| 6748s | is because those bombers were still |
| 6750s | alive at that time |
| 6752s | um and importantly if they hadn't |
| 6753s | removed those bombers later on in the |
| 6755s | match we would have seen that scorpion |
| 6757s | Navy issue also probably dying a damn |
| 6759s | lot you know faster than it actually was |
| 6761s | and virion burning his guns wouldn't |
| 6764s | matter so much |
| 6765s | um if they were still up you know so by |
| 6767s | removing them at the very beginning it |
| 6769s | sets themselves up to win later on |
| 6771s | because they're not going to be |
| 6772s | attritioning HP so quickly |
| 6775s | awesome and then before we look at the |
| 6777s | next match I actually want to take a |
| 6778s | moment uh to tell you where this is |
| 6780s | taking place this is taking place on the |
| 6782s | Thunderdome server which is not |
| 6784s | Tranquility it is a completely separate |
| 6786s | server but everyone has maximum skills |
| 6788s | and all the ships are free |
| 6790s | um that means that everyone's on equal |
| 6792s | playing Ground no one has the best or |
| 6794s | skills everyone has absolutely maximum |
| 6796s | skills this is really good for things |
| 6798s | like the feeders uh because it means |
| 6800s | that the teams that are here don't have |
| 6802s | to worry about losing you know lots of |
| 6804s | ships they can compete they can be on |
| 6805s | the same level playing Ground as all the |
| 6807s | other alliances and it's a really great |
| 6809s | way to get involved in Alliance |
| 6811s | tournament if you've never been in one |
| 6813s | before I highly recommend getting |
| 6815s | involved next year if you're not in this |
| 6817s | year if you've ever thought about |
| 6818s | putting a team in get a couple of mates |
| 6819s | together and at least try the feeders it |
| 6821s | costs you literally nothing so thank you |
| 6823s | to all the people who make that happen |
| 6824s | uh CP zealous has basically picked up |
| 6827s | Alliance tournament then they don't |
| 6828s | placed it on top of his back you can't |
| 6830s | see my hands but I was guessed during |
| 6831s | what I was doing there but the cameras |
| 6833s | are so thin |
| 6834s | um and he is carrying out to this stage |
| 6836s | that we're at now so big thank you from |
| 6838s | us to him |
| 6839s | um we we love the alliance tournament |
| 6841s | and I hope you guys do it as well and |
| 6842s | hope you all competing it next year as |
| 6844s | well now let us look to the next match |
| 6847s | Rusty hyena Clan versus no visual dot uh |
| 6851s | if we can throw the bands up on screen |
| 6852s | quickly and see what these teams are |
| 6854s | choosing to ban |
| 6856s | so Rusty hyena is it bang the |
| 6858s | Battleground the Cerberus |
| 6860s | um no visual also bearing the |
| 6861s | Battleground and a nightmare first one |
| 6863s | we've seen those yet and the trickle |
| 6865s | Downs uh taking the slept near and the |
| 6867s | curse uh mystical might nightmare |
| 6870s | interesting ban |
| 6872s | I was gonna say I think we saw maybe a |
| 6875s | nightmare ban in one of the earlier |
| 6876s | matches I can't quite remember I thought |
| 6878s | I'd seen it might have been distracted |
| 6880s | chaos that happened yeah yeah absolutely |
| 6883s | Fair |
| 6885s | um I don't like the nightmare in the |
| 6888s | alliance tournament I've said this in |
| 6889s | previous 80s I think the nightmare is |
| 6892s | absolute crap if you can't fit you know |
| 6895s | Dead Space modules to it which is why |
| 6897s | it's really good on TQ because you can |
| 6899s | fly with high grade snakes and all the |
| 6901s | finest modules in the game |
| 6903s | um and then is really really good one of |
| 6905s | the better ships and that you could pick |
| 6907s | for that for that purpose but in the |
| 6909s | alliance tournament I think that it just |
| 6912s | doesn't really perform anything that |
| 6915s | well that another ship can't do better |
| 6918s | is essentially where I'm at the only |
| 6920s | really good thing that it has going for |
| 6922s | it is the fact that it can move quickly |
| 6924s | with an afterburner |
| 6927s | which in some cases might be might be |
| 6929s | quite useful for getting through things |
| 6930s | like screening if they don't have much |
| 6932s | in the way of webs but most teams that |
| 6934s | we're seeing now that webs on their |
| 6936s | ships |
| 6937s | um and that's an effective counter or |
| 6939s | nightmare Mobility |
| 6941s | great and uh with that it's time to go |
| 6944s | to the match so |
| 6945s | um it's going to be Russia Hyena's Clan |
| 6947s | versus |
| 6949s | um no Visual and it's gonna be casted by |
| 6950s | dojek and Wing that cross meanwhile |
| 6952s | we'll stay here but Black Backpack will |
| 6954s | enjoy the rest of his white claw and I |
| 6956s | will see you after the match |
| 6964s | hello and welcome to the arena I am |
| 6966s | douchek and I'm here with wing not cross |
| 6967s | we have the rusty hyenas team and they |
| 6971s | have brought |
| 6972s | an incredibly tanky long-range Cruise |
| 6975s | setup |
| 6977s | and they're up against bargists what do |
| 6979s | you have to say about that |
| 6980s | well we've got yeah triple Cruise |
| 6983s | battleships for Rusty highness versus a |
| 6985s | paper which kite control buggers comp |
| 6987s | but there's nowhere they can run because |
| 6989s | they've got these Golems can reach the |
| 6992s | entire map pretty much |
| 6993s | they've got a Morse that can definitely |
| 6994s | damp one one or two of them down and try |
| 6996s | and reduce that range but going against |
| 6998s | cruising the company this is not going |
| 6999s | to be a fun ride that Scimitar is going |
| 7001s | to be working overtime |
| 7003s | yeah we're gonna have to see what kind |
| 7005s | of uh extra um you were they have on the |
| 7008s | jack does which is one of the strengths |
| 7010s | of all the mids on that ship but I think |
| 7013s | the no visual teams is gonna have a |
| 7016s | uphill battle given that barges are |
| 7019s | neither longer range nor tankier than |
| 7022s | the counterparts they're going up |
| 7023s | against them they're losing their |
| 7025s | Scimitar wow that's so quick |
| 7028s | dude |
| 7033s | had |
| 7034s | he didn't even go into armor |
| 7036s | particularly and the bargains are going |
| 7039s | up against the Nighthawk trying to get |
| 7041s | those links off the field as soon as |
| 7043s | possible |
| 7045s | The Tackle Wing that they've brought |
| 7047s | with these Golems is insane Raptor |
| 7049s | Merlin Republic Fleet fighter and a |
| 7051s | skybreaker that is brutal tackle work |
| 7053s | they got that Scimitar within seconds oh |
| 7056s | it's being primary because he's being |
| 7057s | very annoying probably but that is |
| 7059s | they've got an incredible Wing going on |
| 7061s | here and they're going to kill that |
| 7062s | small end as well as whatever else they |
| 7063s | decide to shoot |
| 7065s | yeah the damage to split on the bar |
| 7067s | guests as well I I'm guessing there |
| 7070s | might be targeting range issues going up |
| 7072s | here for the rusty hyenas team but |
| 7075s | they're not really losing anything |
| 7078s | either and uh there's such a big |
| 7082s | difference between they have four ships |
| 7085s | that are almost all their points and six |
| 7088s | frigates to compensate for it including |
| 7091s | Tech One |
| 7093s | largy |
| 7095s | indeed interesting as well is that these |
| 7097s | are golden I believe are also kept |
| 7098s | transferring the Nighthawk next to them |
| 7100s | so this is true this is Cap transfer |
| 7102s | setup as well with these golems and uh |
| 7104s | scorp Navy if they once they killed us |
| 7106s | more or less they all have full range to |
| 7108s | shoot over the entire Arena however they |
| 7110s | like and that is going to be a really |
| 7112s | painful experience with no visual here |
| 7115s | yeah the no visuals team is just going |
| 7118s | to have to do two things kill the taco |
| 7122s | try to keep their moles alive and see if |
| 7125s | they can't keep a range where only they |
| 7128s | can shoot because their opponents cannot |
| 7130s | lock that far but that is difficult |
| 7132s | against Golems Marauders have an |
| 7134s | insanely long lock range Baseline and |
| 7137s | the malice happens to be dead and a |
| 7139s | Bargas is joining him in hell yeah I |
| 7143s | think basically they brought missile cut |
| 7145s | and a lot of control and there is just |
| 7147s | nowhere in the arena they can go though |
| 7149s | where can you run against Cruz and |
| 7151s | probably these Crews didn't even warp in |
| 7153s | at zero they walked in at range and they |
| 7155s | can still shoot the entire Arena that is |
| 7158s | that is a painful experience to live |
| 7161s | yeah I mean the cruise is always going |
| 7163s | to hit the entire Arena unless they're |
| 7165s | uh missile guidance disrupted that like |
| 7168s | targeting range is always the limiting |
| 7170s | factor there but it isn't anymore the |
| 7174s | damps are off the other TM and that |
| 7176s | Bargas is |
| 7177s | dying and nothing is going to say |
| 7180s | anything that as well |
| 7182s | the core of this comp has not been |
| 7184s | touched and they're ready for it like |
| 7185s | they've got lodgy drones on my Nighthawk |
| 7187s | they're all sitting next to each other |
| 7188s | kept transferring with me B like they're |
| 7190s | sitting in a absolutely like dominating |
| 7192s | position and just haven't been touched |
| 7193s | they've just been able to pull apart |
| 7195s | this team at their own Leisure however |
| 7196s | they want they lost a bit of their |
| 7198s | tackle but honestly they had tackle the |
| 7200s | spare this is yeah |
| 7205s | the Golem Sni and Nighthawk in and of |
| 7208s | themselves are all in the top list of |
| 7212s | most tanky ships there are |
| 7215s | like golems with the rep bonus and snys |
| 7218s | and I talked with the resist bonuses |
| 7221s | they just they're hard to kill |
| 7224s | and going up against a team that |
| 7227s | has to kill something quickly |
| 7230s | I think they might have tried to go for |
| 7232s | support and kiting only in this match |
| 7235s | they started on Nighthawk and it just |
| 7237s | didn't work out |
| 7239s | yeah in the nicest way I think this |
| 7241s | match was pretty much entirely one but |
| 7243s | by the moment people picked their comps |
| 7244s | like there was just nothing these bar |
| 7246s | these pancakes could do they would just |
| 7248s | they at the moment they entered on grid |
| 7249s | it's there's just no real way you can |
| 7251s | beat this as far as I can see it's just |
| 7253s | too tanky too much brick and you're in |
| 7256s | the wrong comp to fight it |
| 7262s | there's no visuals team we're certainly |
| 7264s | hoping for somebody to rush after them |
| 7267s | with their double web ships and |
| 7270s | and fast yep abs |
| 7276s | just watching the visual Fleet now being |
| 7278s | killed by cruise missiles and drones |
| 7280s | like trying to fire Crews at a visual |
| 7282s | Fleet is not a fun experience I've been |
| 7285s | there before it's gonna it's gonna die |
| 7287s | sooner or later there are plenty of oh |
| 7289s | he's gone left on the rusty Hyena's team |
| 7291s | at least |
| 7292s | like the Golems also have probably one |
| 7296s | bonus paint each that's 60 percent |
| 7300s | size increase each |
| 7306s | um this is um |
| 7309s | just formalities left of this match |
| 7313s | unfortunately for no visuals |
| 7318s | yeah there's also like it's they |
| 7320s | couldn't exactly win with this setup |
| 7323s | let's say hey it makes it easy for the |
| 7325s | pilots right you have to worry about uh |
| 7326s | boundary don't have to worry about mjd |
| 7327s | or maneuvering just to sit in one |
| 7329s | position fire missiles and keep applying |
| 7332s | DPS to forehead until dead |
| 7335s | yeah the last tournament Vargas were |
| 7338s | actually |
| 7340s | discounted on points and this was what |
| 7343s | we tried against it we tried triple |
| 7345s | scorpion Navy against Marcus and that |
| 7347s | felt |
| 7348s | okay |
| 7350s | or against might have been a little bit |
| 7351s | too |
| 7352s | strong in that setting but |
| 7356s | it's it's a fair match |
| 7359s | artists are way less tanky and |
| 7365s | cost a lot of points |
| 7368s | yeah well a single Jack door left uh |
| 7371s | pecano I don't know how to pronounce |
| 7373s | that name at all but uh well he's just |
| 7375s | gonna take a bit of time dying I don't |
| 7377s | know if he's trying to go for the edge |
| 7378s | of the arena or if he's uh |
| 7380s | just taking up some time while he can |
| 7383s | but it's actually I'm actually kind of |
| 7385s | surprised how well these Golems are |
| 7386s | still applying I mean yeah I get it I |
| 7387s | got Target planners but that's still a |
| 7389s | pretty good amount of application on a |
| 7390s | defense mode jackal |
| 7393s | is a shield ship it's a signature is at |
| 7396s | least large enough for it to not |
| 7398s | matter his uh only defense would be |
| 7400s | speed and now he's dead |
| 7403s | yeah we're going back to the desk |
| 7410s | now for the triglovian weather report |
| 7412s | brought to you by Exodus the weather |
| 7414s | calls for this integration |
| 7421s | and that's the weather forever |
| 7432s | for just 10 million is a month you can |
| 7436s | save the life of a high-sec minor |
| 7471s | a rusty Hyena's Clan taking the W there |
| 7474s | over no visual I tell you what uh |
| 7477s | mystical might the only thing that I saw |
| 7478s | no visual of was that Scimitar uh as he |
| 7481s | just got absolutely deleted at the start |
| 7483s | of that match that was uh zero lifespan |
| 7486s | of whatsoever uh what happened there to |
| 7489s | that scimitar |
| 7491s | uh as you uh |
| 7494s | so observantly pointed out I think it |
| 7496s | died it died very quickly |
| 7499s | um yeah no why gollums why did it die so |
| 7502s | quickly Golems have bonus Target |
| 7505s | painters it's one of their whole bonuses |
| 7508s | and |
| 7509s | um all three of the battleships on the |
| 7512s | rusty hyena side and cruise fit |
| 7515s | um so that allows them to apply to most |
| 7517s | corners of the Arena regardless of where |
| 7519s | they are but more importantly it also |
| 7521s | allows them to apply really good damage |
| 7523s | to Cruisers and up because of those |
| 7525s | bonuses |
| 7526s | um for the painters Scimitar had nowhere |
| 7528s | that it could go had no chance for |
| 7530s | reducing damage and it fell apart really |
| 7532s | quick so |
| 7533s | um I'd be interested to see if it |
| 7535s | actually had any buffer or if it was |
| 7536s | completely resist and ASB fit which is |
| 7540s | sometimes what we see in the 80. |
| 7544s | yeah now speaking of things we've seen |
| 7546s | in the at Blackboard pirate that comp |
| 7548s | fielded by Rusty hyenas looked awfully |
| 7551s | familiar to me |
| 7552s | um where do you think we might have seen |
| 7553s | that one before |
| 7555s | well uh Ithaca of uh Volta I believe |
| 7559s | that it was used several times in the |
| 7562s | final match between hydroloded and Volta |
| 7565s | and it was uh completely undefeated I'm |
| 7568s | so I watched the match for about 30 |
| 7570s | seconds and then I kind of knew it was |
| 7572s | over so sorry sorry to be cringy Edge |
| 7574s | Lord but I was like yeah this I don't |
| 7576s | need to see the rest of this I know how |
| 7577s | it goes uh because Rusty hyenas pretty |
| 7580s | much played it exactly as some of the |
| 7582s | final matches of at 17 was |
| 7584s | um I will say they did an incredibly |
| 7586s | good job tackling that Scimitar he was |
| 7588s | tackled within about 10 seconds right |
| 7589s | off the bat you saw all the rusty hyenas |
| 7591s | tackle Rush him tackle him he died |
| 7594s | as soon as that happened like I could |
| 7596s | just watch it and be like all right well |
| 7598s | these three battleships are cap transfer |
| 7600s | each other they're all cruise missile |
| 7601s | fit they're just going to sit here and |
| 7604s | slowly Wipe Out the |
| 7605s | team um |
| 7607s | it has been used I don't think it's |
| 7609s | actually been eaten yet in any uh |
| 7612s | matches that people have gone up against |
| 7613s | it so uh I will leave Misty to decide |
| 7617s | whether or not he wants to spoiler alert |
| 7619s | what the possible strategies are against |
| 7621s | it but we did see you know it's kind of |
| 7624s | cool because we saw a team that prepared |
| 7626s | and actually looked at past matches and |
| 7629s | was like cool yeah we're going to copy |
| 7630s | this comp and run it again so we saw the |
| 7632s | E.T winner last time just win and you |
| 7635s | know sometimes it's important to |
| 7637s | actually look at history |
| 7639s | awesome well we actually have nine |
| 7641s | minutes until the next match uh so it's |
| 7642s | time for our first feature of the day |
| 7644s | which is called Ithaca Hawks Deep dive |
| 7645s | where we take a deep dive into a |
| 7647s | particular comp and how to beat it |
| 7648s | mystical might as a member of the |
| 7650s | fraternity team if you were to come up |
| 7652s | against a comp such as that which looks |
| 7654s | kind of like a bit of a cruise Tinker |
| 7655s | what would you suggest to your team |
| 7657s | fraternity uh in order to beat them |
| 7660s | yeah there's plenty of time yeah yeah |
| 7663s | that's fine uh so before I answer that |
| 7665s | question I had another question which |
| 7667s | was did they have a raptor I can't quite |
| 7670s | remember because I did zone out once the |
| 7672s | Scimitar died |
| 7675s | um I think it's it's important for |
| 7677s | myself I had something |
| 7679s | there's something fast I always tackled |
| 7681s | because if it is a raptor that tackled |
| 7684s | the Scimitar okay I can see in twitch |
| 7685s | chat people are saying yes thank you |
| 7687s | very much for the assist |
| 7689s | um the Raptor the reason I wanted to |
| 7691s | point it out is uh the reason it was |
| 7693s | able to get onto the Scimitar so quickly |
| 7695s | is because I believe Raptors Crusaders |
| 7701s | Tyrannosaurus I want to say and |
| 7705s | Clause all have overheat bonuses to the |
| 7708s | micro drives so you're able to get a |
| 7711s | tech2 fit interceptor up to like 8 or |
| 7715s | 10K a second very easily just by |
| 7717s | overheating a microb drive and that |
| 7718s | allows it to zip across the grid and |
| 7721s | snag whatever it wants to really quickly |
| 7723s | the downside to that is that typically |
| 7726s | they die because they're out of position |
| 7728s | because it happens very easily so that's |
| 7730s | one thing I wanted to get out of the way |
| 7732s | back to your original question |
| 7735s | um yes please let's go back to that |
| 7736s | question yeah yeah let's go back to that |
| 7738s | question that's fine |
| 7740s | um |
| 7741s | none of these ships have cap transfer |
| 7743s | range bonuses I I think is all that |
| 7746s | really needs to be said right it's uh |
| 7748s | there's simple ways that you can beat |
| 7750s | thinkers in any 80 and it is positioning |
| 7754s | or it is damage either you out damage |
| 7757s | what the tink is able to rep or you |
| 7760s | position yourself and them in a way that |
| 7762s | you like I think has always been how |
| 7765s | it's been |
| 7766s | um anyone that's looking back at |
| 7767s | previous matches where Tinkers were |
| 7768s | fielded |
| 7770s | would also be able to kind of deduct or |
| 7772s | deduce that from |
| 7774s | history I suppose or ECM I suppose would |
| 7777s | also be another effective counter |
| 7779s | um in some cases sometimes no one is |
| 7780s | rolling the dice however |
| 7782s | um I was going to say rolling the dice |
| 7785s | doesn't typically work in my favor at |
| 7788s | least |
| 7789s | um whether I'm using the ECM or I am |
| 7791s | flying against ECM uh it's never been on |
| 7794s | my side so you know yeah |
| 7797s | in the finals of a live stream at 17 and |
| 7800s | we saw this comp fielded um we actually |
| 7802s | saw it almost get beaten um when if |
| 7806s | memory starts correctly Annie gardett in |
| 7808s | the Vault of Flagship bar guest uh |
| 7810s | managed to get a couple of really good |
| 7812s | bumps in against those battleships split |
| 7814s | them up and then the water team started |
| 7816s | to uh do some damage but it was a bit |
| 7819s | too little too late in that particular |
| 7820s | match and I think I might have been the |
| 7822s | third and final match of the of the day |
| 7825s | um really good comp |
| 7827s | um I think this is one of the first |
| 7828s | times we've seen a picked up from 8017 |
| 7831s | comp dropped almost unchanged into uh |
| 7834s | the feeders thus far |
| 7837s | yeah a bar I think I mean obviously you |
| 7839s | need to actually look at it but I think |
| 7842s | that was exactly almost like a dead |
| 7844s | straight copy you know I'm sure there's |
| 7846s | a little bit of adjustment to some |
| 7847s | points but yeah it was pretty much them |
| 7849s | to copy pasting it applying it in |
| 7852s | exactly the same way too like at |
| 7853s | shotology and then just work your way |
| 7856s | down |
| 7856s | so yeah it'd be interesting to see if |
| 7858s | some more teams bring this because as |
| 7860s | mentioned um undefeated seems to have |
| 7863s | worked again this uh this uh meta |
| 7866s | already so I look forward to seeing more |
| 7868s | teams bringing or defeating those that |
| 7870s | will be extremely extremely interesting |
| 7873s | uh now we've used the term Tinker a |
| 7875s | couple of times |
| 7877s | um or can you just maybe elaborate what |
| 7879s | we're actually meaning when we say |
| 7880s | tinker |
| 7882s | yeah uh so the original OG Tinker has |
| 7886s | been dead |
| 7888s | for like five or six years now maybe |
| 7890s | even longer but kind of nowadays what it |
| 7892s | is is it's sort of the equivalent of |
| 7894s | like a spider tanking Dominic setup some |
| 7896s | of those setups where basically your |
| 7899s | ships are using a local tank and then |
| 7901s | they're cap transferring each other so |
| 7902s | that they can run it permanently uh |
| 7904s | generally with Shield ships specifically |
| 7906s | like I don't I don't think armor Tinker |
| 7908s | is viable anymore but with Shield ships |
| 7910s | they'll use an ancillary Shield booster |
| 7912s | and once the cap charges of the |
| 7914s | ancillary Shield booster Runs Out |
| 7917s | it's still boosts for the same amount it |
| 7919s | just uses up a mass amount of cap so |
| 7920s | what you do is instead you have your |
| 7922s | ship's Gap transferred to each other so |
| 7924s | that you can continue to run the |
| 7925s | ancillary Shield booster without cap |
| 7926s | charges and get that insane ancillary |
| 7930s | Shield booster tank build |
| 7931s | um like I said it kind of only works |
| 7933s | with Shield armor |
| 7936s | reps work in a different way so you run |
| 7938s | out of paste in your answer your armor |
| 7939s | repair and it just sucks whereas if you |
| 7941s | run out of cap boosters and you answer |
| 7943s | your Shield repair |
| 7944s | it just sucks your cap a different kind |
| 7946s | of sucking one kind's better than the |
| 7948s | other in this specific case |
| 7951s | well said well said |
| 7953s | um it's worth uh worth mentioning as |
| 7956s | well |
| 7957s | um the way the reason that this works is |
| 7960s | in the universe of uh new Eden the cap |
| 7963s | transfer modules |
| 7965s | give to your friend more cap than they |
| 7967s | consume while cycling so you can |
| 7970s | essentially create an infinite Circle |
| 7972s | object of energy and keep your bodies |
| 7975s | alive |
| 7976s | um we have about four minutes to go |
| 7977s | until our next match which is snuffed |
| 7980s | out versus percussive Pizza Time |
| 7981s | diplomacy which is a fantastic name so |
| 7984s | after of course self-proclaimed Kings of |
| 7986s | lossec |
| 7987s | um for many many years because of Peace |
| 7989s | time diplomacy also loss like residents |
| 7991s | living in gal Mill space |
| 7994s | um great guys uh give a shout out to the |
| 7996s | uh the rest of the galante Federation |
| 7997s | doing their bit to hashtag build the |
| 7999s | gate so |
| 8001s | I've been involved a little bit in there |
| 8002s | so faction Warfare recently in a couple |
| 8004s | of Alpha alts and it's been a lot of fun |
| 8005s | I've been flying with some of those guys |
| 8007s | and uh good group of people so check |
| 8010s | them out let's have a look at their |
| 8011s | bands uh we have snuff Banning out EOS |
| 8014s | and slept near two link ships removed |
| 8016s | and trickle-down ban into the gedden |
| 8018s | meanwhile percussive Pizza Time Banning |
| 8020s | out Loki and EOS and the typhoon Fleet |
| 8023s | issue mystical might uh double EOS band |
| 8026s | what do you make of that |
| 8028s | so I'm not sure if this is based on some |
| 8032s | of the practices that they've perhaps |
| 8033s | been doing in the background |
| 8035s | um with their own practice Partners or |
| 8036s | whether this is based on what we saw |
| 8038s | earlier with the EOS performing fairly |
| 8040s | well in that drone setup I think that we |
| 8042s | saw as the first match of the day |
| 8045s | um EOS is a fairly strong boat |
| 8047s | it seems like they don't want to go up |
| 8049s | against a drone setup so they're |
| 8050s | removing one of the key ships for the |
| 8052s | Drone setup uh the EOS being a mobile |
| 8055s | damage platform which can use drones but |
| 8057s | also usually the ship that carries links |
| 8060s | as well for the team by removing the EOS |
| 8063s | there isn't really I think another |
| 8066s | command ship that really does the same |
| 8068s | job in the same way so it makes it much |
| 8071s | harder for a team to put that drone comp |
| 8073s | together I'm sure there are Replacements |
| 8075s | that they can bring but they just |
| 8076s | wouldn't perform as well as the EOS |
| 8078s | would so that seems to be the first step |
| 8080s | in their kind of ban allocations there I |
| 8083s | think the Armageddon is also an |
| 8084s | interesting one to see from snow |
| 8086s | yeah so um snuff have I'm just looking |
| 8090s | at what they've got a very interesting |
| 8091s | comp so I want to give the casters a |
| 8093s | little bit of time to talk about this |
| 8094s | one so let's hand over to the match now |
| 8096s | uh snuff diverse is a percussive pizza |
| 8098s | time diplomacy uh with William cross and |
| 8100s | jintan |
| 8108s | g'day mates Welcome to the Real |
| 8110s | Thunderdome here we have an insane match |
| 8113s | going on snuffed out have decided to |
| 8115s | bring all of the Blaster battleships |
| 8117s | plus some ECM and meanwhile because of |
| 8119s | pizza box have brought the triple |
| 8120s | Battleship comp gin what the bloody |
| 8123s | world have we entered |
| 8125s | uh we have entered the Thunderdome by |
| 8127s | the looks of things I will go through |
| 8129s | all the reasons where you probably |
| 8131s | shouldn't bring four of the shame same |
| 8132s | ships in the analysts desk after this uh |
| 8135s | but all of the real pressure here is |
| 8138s | going to be put on the rupture heretic |
| 8139s | and svipel uh of snuffed out Superman |
| 8142s | and uh percussive Pizza Time diplomacy |
| 8144s | uh they are going to need to screen off |
| 8147s | these diamoses stop them from getting on |
| 8150s | top of their battleships and as long as |
| 8152s | they can as long as they can keep them |
| 8153s | more than 10 kilometers away from them |
| 8155s | they're going to easily Coast to a |
| 8157s | victory here the newts uh the new |
| 8159s | pressure especially from that battleborn |
| 8160s | is going to do so much work in turning |
| 8162s | off these dimasses if they can survive |
| 8164s | the opening minute of the game keep your |
| 8166s | eyes peeled uh because this has exactly |
| 8170s | support it's crazy |
| 8174s | yeah just ridiculous it's gonna be |
| 8176s | mental |
| 8178s | if those are dual prop dymoses this |
| 8180s | might be a little harder in the late |
| 8181s | game but uh that Vindicator is going to |
| 8183s | stop them from sick tanking particularly |
| 8185s | well the 90 webs are going to make uh |
| 8188s | you know the space where dymoses want to |
| 8190s | be which is about uh pretty much in |
| 8193s | docking range is the most deadly place |
| 8195s | to possibly be for a Vindicator I'm |
| 8197s | surprised that you focus here we go the |
| 8199s | presence of the divorce is not the your |
| 8201s | favorite ship in the game I think it |
| 8202s | might be about to pick up this is going |
| 8205s | to be the greatest match of all time |
| 8206s | because everyone is screaming in at Max |
| 8208s | Speed Leroy let's go actually the video |
| 8211s | isn't moving Vindicator wake up I know |
| 8213s | my has been tackled first dmos has been |
| 8214s | primed and here we go the Party begins |
| 8217s | wobbles are probably tapping his ABC |
| 8219s | right now but is it going to be a |
| 8220s | question of they really should just swap |
| 8222s | over to another Dimos burn another ADC |
| 8224s | at this point uh you can see that active |
| 8226s | rep bonus that the diamonds have really |
| 8228s | coming into its own turning him um |
| 8231s | all the way back to halfway |
| 8234s | the diamond The Vindicator seems to be |
| 8236s | the most primary that's a good call |
| 8237s | but |
| 8239s | wow |
| 8240s | um lots of DPS trade getting traded back |
| 8242s | and forth you can see both of those |
| 8243s | attack bars starting to really fill up |
| 8245s | now there's the residual speed from the |
| 8248s | burn in has uh faded |
| 8250s | Off the Grid |
| 8255s | there are four threats on the field |
| 8257s | they've identified them they just need |
| 8259s | to kill them the Kitsune the Griffin the |
| 8261s | more less they aren't going to have a |
| 8263s | huge impact on this game |
| 8266s | running directly into Vindicator web |
| 8268s | range is always just absolute suicide |
| 8272s | and this Vindicator is still barely |
| 8274s | Dying by the way they've really brought |
| 8275s | deacons this team brought a guardian for |
| 8277s | their lodgy and it cannot survive triple |
| 8279s | Battleship to the face under Vindicator |
| 8282s | webs this is just Madness |
| 8285s | yeah um you can see that the |
| 8288s | um snuffed out tackle they're just |
| 8290s | sitting around the edge of this fight |
| 8291s | they're trying to stop the Zippo and the |
| 8292s | heck they from getting on top of their |
| 8294s | own ewall support this is clever stuff |
| 8296s | from them they're trying to control the |
| 8299s | um actual influence that those smaller |
| 8301s | ships can now have on the wider battle |
| 8303s | but it's not going to matter if they |
| 8304s | can't kill uh if they can't kill this |
| 8306s | Vindicator |
| 8307s | especially as those nukes are getting |
| 8309s | spread out really really well by this |
| 8310s | Picasso Pizza Time team that said the |
| 8313s | guardian's completely safe |
| 8315s | really at some point they need to make a |
| 8317s | burn for that wow the guardian's getting |
| 8318s | sniped I don't even know how that |
| 8320s | happened or we just got way too close to |
| 8322s | the Zippo and died |
| 8323s | Ah that's a that's a rough one |
| 8327s | Casino down Griffin is still alive but |
| 8329s | he got primary as well they're trying to |
| 8330s | get rid of the ECM that vindicate is |
| 8331s | starting to actually crawl towards 30 |
| 8334s | armor they could maybe get away with |
| 8336s | this the dmos is still alive it all |
| 8337s | takes us one lucky shot and he'll go |
| 8339s | straight down at the hull so this this |
| 8341s | could still flip that Vindicator should |
| 8343s | stop moving right now dude stop moving |
| 8345s | you're gonna make it hard |
| 8347s | this Ripple the heretic they're all |
| 8350s | going for this Griffin now they're gonna |
| 8351s | be able to grab him it looks like they |
| 8353s | have yep that's gonna be it that's gonna |
| 8355s | be another piece of evil off the field |
| 8356s | and that's going to be enough to let |
| 8357s | this Dimos probably go down if not they |
| 8360s | basically have no evil no frigate |
| 8362s | support at this point uh these t3ds |
| 8365s | should be free to go through onto this |
| 8366s | Guardian now tackle him down pressure on |
| 8369s | his cap |
| 8370s | this is brutal this is a this is going |
| 8372s | to be us that's the moment right there |
| 8375s | I think all stuff down |
| 8379s | yeah all snuffed out can really do at |
| 8380s | this point is try and turn on some of |
| 8381s | these frigates uh use their Superior |
| 8383s | tracking to get them down and try and |
| 8385s | avoid the 100 zero the slam dunk Victory |
| 8388s | from percussive pizza time |
| 8391s | man Vindicator home sent Victory all the |
| 8394s | time I don't talk about never lost yep |
| 8396s | uh yeah they're just they almost managed |
| 8399s | to get away with it almost like they had |
| 8400s | to really rip those vindicate a bit |
| 8402s | faster but the problem is you're rushing |
| 8403s | blasters into a ship which loves holding |
| 8406s | people stealing Blaster range that was |
| 8409s | never really gonna win |
| 8411s | I I don't know what the idea was but |
| 8414s | whatever the idea was it didn't come to |
| 8416s | fruition unfortunately it's never a |
| 8419s | snorber in the guardian now finally |
| 8420s | tackled he's got three destroyers on top |
| 8422s | of him |
| 8423s | um the the other ones are just putting a |
| 8425s | little bit of pressure on this Magus |
| 8426s | trying to take the last few ships Off |
| 8428s | the Grid nice and quickly of clinical |
| 8430s | clinical finish here from Picasso Pizza |
| 8433s | Time diplomacy but not too many |
| 8435s | decisions they really had to make |
| 8437s | um one thing I love about this match at |
| 8439s | the start the Vinnie didn't even bother |
| 8441s | to move because he just knew they kind |
| 8443s | of come to me anyway who cares just sit |
| 8445s | right here |
| 8447s | yeah don't mess up your own tracking 100 |
| 8449s | and get zero transversal on you and just |
| 8451s | fire away |
| 8453s | it didn't even matter like the balgorn |
| 8456s | actually was going to be pretty |
| 8457s | destructive against these demos is just |
| 8458s | constantly capping them out as well like |
| 8460s | this is |
| 8462s | not for playing their own game man I |
| 8465s | mean we make jokes about them and sinus |
| 8467s | but like what in the world was that |
| 8469s | really the only way they could have won |
| 8471s | this game was by turning back you know |
| 8473s | burning away going to one of those MGD |
| 8475s | beacons weighing out letting the tackle |
| 8477s | maybe from Picasso Pizza time to from a |
| 8479s | diplomacy spread out a little re-engage |
| 8481s | at that point kill off a bunch of their |
| 8483s | tackle and then move in and they just |
| 8486s | weren't able to I thought for a second |
| 8487s | that you were going to say turn around |
| 8488s | run back and then get out the arena |
| 8492s | I don't see enough there's ever going to |
| 8494s | be a win |
| 8495s | I don't know except defeat |
| 8498s | now |
| 8499s | it's done |
| 8503s | oh |
| 8504s | yeah I |
| 8506s | like so many upsets away I think pretty |
| 8508s | much every team that we decided was |
| 8510s | significantly favored on our uh pre-show |
| 8513s | last weekend has just immediately lost |
| 8517s | um the minions didn't even show up a |
| 8519s | team that we thought might be favored |
| 8520s | it's enough doubt are losing here |
| 8523s | um uh ushra Khan and I like desmetari |
| 8527s | both picking up wins what a day of |
| 8529s | upsets um already in this feeder |
| 8531s | tournament |
| 8532s | Yep this has been an interesting uh day |
| 8535s | for sure and pontifex is now going for |
| 8537s | the Edge of Glory he's going to try and |
| 8539s | break the record because that's the only |
| 8541s | thing his team's going to be able to |
| 8542s | break today that's for sure |
| 8544s | yep yep you can see that Kai and Mark's |
| 8546s | sitting pretty he's got a bit of fire in |
| 8548s | this hole but he doesn't really care |
| 8550s | he's probably feeling like an absolute |
| 8552s | chat at this point |
| 8554s | I know right that is that's probably my |
| 8556s | maximum chat energy right there just I |
| 8558s | managed to take down four demosses and |
| 8560s | win let's go boys definitely didn't have |
| 8563s | a team behind me yep |
| 8566s | just soloed them just soloed them |
| 8569s | uh looks like info infinitas is just |
| 8571s | getting to chill out there single drone |
| 8573s | orbiting him there we go he's fighting |
| 8575s | no he's stayed inside the arena |
| 8579s | we get to watch this for just a little |
| 8581s | bit longer there's a ripple and all that |
| 8584s | uh |
| 8585s | yeah I can't even boundary properly you |
| 8588s | know |
| 8590s | you guys did not hear that from us like |
| 8592s | we heard that from someone else in the |
| 8594s | call so |
| 8596s | just casually getting roasted by people |
| 8598s | in the background as well my man |
| 8604s | oh there we go he's going to the |
| 8605s | boundary again will he achieve it no |
| 8607s | he's turning around it seems like he is |
| 8610s | just here to to waste uh |
| 8613s | is he oh yeah no he is he's aimed the |
| 8616s | right way |
| 8617s | God bless |
| 8622s | utter lunacy let's go back to the studio |
| 8625s | and watch |
| 8627s | the the endless trying answer what just |
| 8629s | happened |
| 8660s | foreign |
| 8688s | thank you |
| 8713s | well there you have it because of Pizza |
| 8715s | Time diplomacy taking a couple of slices |
| 8717s | out of that somewhat cheesy comp brought |
| 8720s | by snuffed out welcome to the alliance |
| 8722s | sermon 18 feeders if you're wondering |
| 8725s | what the worst comp was going to be in |
| 8726s | the tournament then wait no longer we |
| 8728s | have just seen it |
| 8729s | um four dimoses someone hasn't read the |
| 8733s | rules I don't think or they just didn't |
| 8735s | like their points anyway because uh |
| 8737s | mystical might tell me about how points |
| 8740s | work when you bring multiples of the |
| 8742s | same ships |
| 8743s | okay I don't like that question so I'm |
| 8745s | going to change it slightly |
| 8748s | um how can they bring four damos's to |
| 8750s | begin with I think uh yeah |
| 8755s | um I'm gonna do that because I can't do |
| 8757s | maths |
| 8757s | so uh |
| 8761s | that's fine go on tell me the math no |
| 8764s | you asked me the question uh so it's 12 |
| 8766s | points for Dimos |
| 8768s | um I believe and every time you bring an |
| 8770s | extra diamonds it becomes an additional |
| 8772s | point |
| 8773s | uh so if you bring Lord I misses it's 60 |
| 8776s | points which means that there's just 12 |
| 8778s | points that you just left sitting on a |
| 8781s | table somewhere uh by itself without any |
| 8784s | parent or Guardian around to supervise |
| 8786s | you just left them alone |
| 8788s | um and that's what results I mean this |
| 8790s | is kind of like if you've ever seen |
| 8791s | those goats that kind of bash heads |
| 8792s | against each other that's essentially |
| 8793s | what we had there with those two comps |
| 8795s | except one of the goats was a Vindicator |
| 8796s | and the other goat was four demos's that |
| 8798s | cost too much uh no back to back to you |
| 8801s | Misty you may continue your point |
| 8803s | okay cool |
| 8805s | um yeah so the other rule change that I |
| 8808s | wanted to point out so that is one of |
| 8809s | them where if you bring the same ship |
| 8811s | hole multiple times then each one costs |
| 8815s | more than it normally would right it's |
| 8816s | uh the replica rule I suppose I don't |
| 8819s | actually know what it's called |
| 8820s | um |
| 8821s | the other rule change that we've seen is |
| 8823s | that in the last 80 you could only bring |
| 8825s | three of a certain ship plus so you |
| 8829s | could only bring three Cruisers you |
| 8831s | could only bring through three |
| 8832s | battleships three frigates three |
| 8835s | destroyers whatever it is that you want |
| 8836s | to use you could only bring three |
| 8839s | um in at18 you can now bring four of |
| 8842s | each ship class that you want to field |
| 8844s | so |
| 8846s | you know it opens up I suppose different |
| 8849s | teams to uh the different comps that |
| 8852s | they may want to try and run it's going |
| 8853s | to change the meta quite a bit I think |
| 8855s | making certain setups stronger like for |
| 8857s | our setups where you can have now four |
| 8859s | Cruisers plus some command ships |
| 8862s | um and it might make some comps weaker |
| 8863s | like I think a setup that we saw earlier |
| 8866s | where now that there's so much more |
| 8867s | damage on grid it becomes a little bit |
| 8869s | harder to tank where you're going to be |
| 8871s | finding |
| 8872s | um when you're warping onto grid you |
| 8874s | know so yeah I think two interesting |
| 8876s | rules that will shape how tend to think |
| 8879s | of outcomes |
| 8881s | definitely and until that's called the |
| 8883s | point inflation rule that's the uh the |
| 8884s | official name for that particular rule |
| 8887s | um it's not much more to break down |
| 8888s | about that last match |
| 8890s | um it was pretty interesting all around |
| 8892s | really |
| 8893s | um I don't recommend if if you're |
| 8895s | getting into last term I don't recommend |
| 8896s | you to copy that comp try the previous |
| 8898s | match |
| 8899s | um but for now we are going to take a |
| 8901s | short break |
| 8902s | um and we will be back for hidden Leaf |
| 8904s | Village Ninja Assassin Esports Squad |
| 8907s | versus off sound mind uh in |
| 8910s | approximately 30 minutes so see you then |
| 8916s | foreign |
| 8923s | to day one of the alliance tournament 18 |
| 8927s | mimitar feeder trial rounds uh we have |
| 8931s | three more days after today but before |
| 8933s | that we have the rest of today I am |
| 8935s | joined by two more incredible uh people |
| 8938s | in the eve Community zuruzak destroyer |
| 8940s | and Jin tan so how are you today |
| 8944s | I'm pretty good just I'm pretty |
| 8946s | relocated for the evening so I can |
| 8948s | present this lovely tournament today but |
| 8949s | otherwise doing quite well thank you |
| 8952s | awesome and Jin tan a man who |
| 8954s | self-identifies as smaller than the |
| 8957s | attack bar for Specter Fleet how are you |
| 8960s | today |
| 8961s | I'm doing very well I've been enjoying |
| 8963s | watching these uh comedy festive games |
| 8965s | we've had so far this evening really for |
| 8967s | us about seeing what people have brought |
| 8970s | out whilst playing for allegedly their |
| 8972s | tournament |
| 8974s | yeah so Jen you've been obviously |
| 8975s | commentating uh with us the day so far |
| 8978s | has there been any matches that stood |
| 8979s | out to you as a some fantastic ones to |
| 8981s | watch back |
| 8983s | I think the first game |
| 8985s | um the Drone kite versus the Drone kite |
| 8987s | that turned into a drone aggro versus |
| 8990s | um The Shield fight game is probably the |
| 8993s | best one to watch that it gives you an |
| 8996s | example of how to identify the wind |
| 8997s | conditions of your opponent attack them |
| 8999s | and then win the match |
| 9002s | up even if it's not what your |
| 9003s | competition is we're trying to do |
| 9006s | I can't remember what team played sorry |
| 9007s | it's all a little bit of a blur after |
| 9009s | three or four hours commentating |
| 9012s | um but you want to know how to fight |
| 9013s | tackle well how to approach aggressively |
| 9016s | in the theme that is a vote |
| 9021s | yeah so that first match you're |
| 9022s | referring to is all Hill novice the |
| 9023s | network where all hill now took that |
| 9025s | Victory uh in a very exciting match so |
| 9027s | yeah great one to watch |
| 9029s | um we have had half our matches down as |
| 9030s | mentioned and we're going into the |
| 9032s | second half of the day uh our first |
| 9034s | match is going to be between hidden Leaf |
| 9036s | Village Ninja Assassin |
| 9039s | Esports squad team I can't remember |
| 9041s | their full name it's obscene and uh |
| 9044s | they're going up against of sound mind |
| 9046s | Zoo what did you think about this |
| 9048s | matchup uh I think a lot of the casters |
| 9050s | previously have put a lot of uh a lot of |
| 9052s | power behind hidden Leaf like do you do |
| 9054s | you think that's that's rightfully |
| 9055s | rightfully put there |
| 9058s | uh I think hidden Eve have had a strong |
| 9060s | showing I believe they were one of the |
| 9063s | teams that I think just randomly formed |
| 9066s | for the anger games I believe and being |
| 9069s | done doing strong since |
| 9071s | um kind of one of these meme names that |
| 9072s | just kind of sticks to the end of the |
| 9073s | day but uh memes aside they've been |
| 9076s | having quite strong showings on all |
| 9078s | their participations from what I've seen |
| 9081s | um so hopefully it can probably be one |
| 9082s | of the teams who makes leaders here um |
| 9085s | loving the format for computers by the |
| 9086s | way |
| 9088s | yeah definitely |
| 9089s | um I love the performance of these |
| 9091s | videos too by the way it's a great job |
| 9092s | please be zealous just quickly look at |
| 9093s | the band cybers and slept near from |
| 9095s | hidden Leaf whatever and typhoon Fleet |
| 9097s | issue hugin from officer in mind so this |
| 9100s | should result in some very interesting |
| 9101s | matchups Billy it's time to go to the |
| 9104s | arena and watch the match itself uh |
| 9106s | hidden Leaf Village |
| 9108s | Etc versus officer in mind with your |
| 9110s | casters fear finer and moderator |
| 9117s | hello everybody my name is fear joined |
| 9120s | by moderator and I'm excited to bring |
| 9122s | you the second half of the day |
| 9125s | starting out on the red side it is |
| 9128s | hidden Leaf Village Ninja Assassin Squad |
| 9131s | Esports uh bringing a uh battle cruiser |
| 9136s | kind of Shield uh core lineup I believe |
| 9139s | this looks like a kite setup based on |
| 9141s | the rapid lights in the low end but uh I |
| 9144s | actually uh I'm having a hard time |
| 9146s | telling that this is a ham or an HML |
| 9148s | Nighthawk |
| 9150s | yeah those are going to be uh ham so |
| 9153s | we've seen kind of a bit of a a mix we |
| 9155s | see that of sound mind is going for |
| 9157s | Rapid |
| 9158s | um light and kind of uh kiting uh with |
| 9161s | the 720 Auto cannons whereas ultram's |
| 9163s | team is going full heavy assault |
| 9165s | missiles already we see that |
| 9167s | um the of some line teams trying to kite |
| 9169s | away and run away but look at how fast |
| 9170s | those Osprey sites and particles are |
| 9172s | closing on top just trying to tackle on |
| 9174s | things |
| 9176s | yeah drum blob onto the jackdaw right |
| 9179s | now is the Scorpion Navy issue is being |
| 9180s | burned past they're gonna try to burn |
| 9182s | onto this bar guest it looks like as |
| 9184s | baltram in the hurricane Fleet issue is |
| 9185s | taking a bit of damage uh upside mines |
| 9187s | jackdaw though is uh taking damage for |
| 9191s | them at the moment but they're finally |
| 9192s | getting all of their DPS onto dark |
| 9194s | hydron in this bar guest with the shield |
| 9196s | Rush setup this bar guest's going to |
| 9198s | melt he doesn't have a whole lot of ehp |
| 9200s | yeah we see that the drones on top of |
| 9203s | the jackdaw but the bar guest is now |
| 9205s | fully uh surrounded by an orthos uh |
| 9208s | hurricane fleas shoot Scythe caracal and |
| 9210s | it's going to go down jackdawg drops to |
| 9212s | drones |
| 9213s | um the bar guest doing what he can to |
| 9214s | Shield rep |
| 9216s | um they're gonna lose a bar guess |
| 9217s | probably about the same time the |
| 9218s | hurricane Fleet issue goes down Ah |
| 9220s | that's an excellent trade if you're |
| 9222s | hitting life right now |
| 9224s | yeah interestingly uh the setup did take |
| 9227s | a basilisk so you actually got a little |
| 9228s | bit more rep power uh than you do out of |
| 9231s | a semitar which is why the hurricane |
| 9232s | Fleet is being able to stay alive for a |
| 9235s | little bit longer than perhaps we would |
| 9237s | accept uh with that Scimitar in the |
| 9240s | lineup of course semitar being faster |
| 9241s | and with better cap that said the |
| 9243s | Scorpion Navy now down into half shields |
| 9245s | in this hurricane Fleet issue of Baltron |
| 9247s | uh he's being able to wrap up all the |
| 9249s | way through this rapid heavy reload I |
| 9250s | would have to assume of this scorpion |
| 9252s | Navy issue and with that as an eye into |
| 9255s | armor it looks like the game is already |
| 9257s | over uh for of sound mind hidden Leaf |
| 9260s | ninja Village assassin Squad Esports uh |
| 9263s | should be taking this one uh after this |
| 9265s | Sni goes down |
| 9267s | yeah that's kind of one of the risks |
| 9269s | that you run when you bring only two of |
| 9271s | these battleships that go rapid heavy |
| 9273s | kind of two to three sort of where you |
| 9275s | get the threshold that you need to |
| 9276s | really effectively clip out a battle |
| 9279s | cruiser and just two in this case wasn't |
| 9282s | enough to do it we saw that uh balstrum |
| 9284s | did get down into armor about once all |
| 9287s | the RS uh and dark uh you know hit their |
| 9290s | reload or in darth's case died |
| 9292s | um it was pretty much all over and we |
| 9295s | see that Frosty knee |
| 9297s | um is going down already just gets |
| 9299s | absolutely eviscerated uh by that heavy |
| 9302s | assault missile damage um you know just |
| 9305s | look at the attack bar right of now of |
| 9307s | hidden Leaf they they definitely came to |
| 9309s | brawl and um I've found mind |
| 9313s | um didn't really have much in the way of |
| 9315s | the ability to screen any of these ships |
| 9318s | I mean you have a jacked off Fleet size |
| 9321s | caracal Navy Osprey and then authoris |
| 9323s | all trying to close on top of you you're |
| 9325s | not going to be able to pull away from |
| 9326s | that |
| 9328s | yeah just it's one of those cases don't |
| 9331s | scream for the bar guests and the bar |
| 9332s | guests weren't able to self-screen |
| 9334s | effectively so I Fleet if she goes down |
| 9336s | we did notice uh a griffin of hydro goes |
| 9339s | down uh from hidden Leaf Village uh so |
| 9343s | they will not 100 to zero this game but |
| 9346s | uh either way that initial trade going |
| 9348s | very well uh for them with that Shield |
| 9351s | Rush setup able to take out the bar |
| 9352s | guest which is the ship that they're |
| 9354s | afraid that actually might kite them out |
| 9356s | um so really well played from them and |
| 9358s | making a very clean match to start off |
| 9361s | this afternoon |
| 9363s | yeah I almost can't help but feel like a |
| 9366s | hidden Leaf just kind of won it in draft |
| 9369s | um and just really out executed |
| 9372s | um of sound mind on top of just having a |
| 9375s | uh |
| 9376s | a better equipped comp to deal with what |
| 9379s | was going on |
| 9381s | um as Felix Dodgers is now or Dodgers is |
| 9384s | now doing the very uh best that they can |
| 9386s | to try to uh hide out but if this match |
| 9389s | is very very over |
| 9391s | um nearly 100 to zero dunk with the |
| 9394s | exception of that Griffin |
| 9396s | um as we see this Scythe Fleet issue |
| 9399s | um streaming across the field at uh you |
| 9401s | know nearly 3 000 kilometers a second uh |
| 9404s | closing on top of the caracal uh the |
| 9406s | speed of that Scythe Fleet issue these |
| 9408s | carical Navy issues is you know or |
| 9411s | through Skilling over three thousand |
| 9412s | you're not going to be able to kite away |
| 9414s | from that in a bar list even |
| 9416s | so yeah very uh decisive |
| 9421s | yeah caracal maybe not a ship we see a |
| 9422s | whole lot of but in the at and ham Rush |
| 9425s | setups it is very cheap uh for quite a |
| 9429s | bit of damage on that heavy assault |
| 9430s | missiles |
| 9431s | um as it is a particularly HML and ham |
| 9435s | bonus chip not a rapid light fit as we |
| 9437s | normally see with caracals uh they catch |
| 9439s | up Felix storgers around the jump Beacon |
| 9443s | and that is all she wrote for the match |
| 9445s | 100 two three for hidden Leaf Village uh |
| 9448s | any final comments before we send it |
| 9450s | back to the desk |
| 9452s | yeah it's nice to see some of these |
| 9454s | other faction uh ships get used now that |
| 9456s | the points have been changed but I'm |
| 9458s | sure that's the desk to decide |
| 9461s | all right back to the desk we go |
| 9464s | and on to the next one |
| 9491s | foreign |
| 9531s | welcome back hidden Leaf Village ninja |
| 9534s | Etc taking a match there off of of sound |
| 9536s | mind any commanding Victory uh 100 |
| 9539s | points to three very very well executed |
| 9542s | there by the hidden Leaf team uh zoo I |
| 9545s | want to come to you first on this one |
| 9547s | um sometimes we see these comps where |
| 9549s | they are heavy in battleships lots of |
| 9551s | points and very few ships in that case |
| 9553s | it was a Vargas and a Navy Scorpion and |
| 9556s | they were up against a team that is |
| 9557s | choosing to spread their points across |
| 9559s | lots more medium-sized ships a bunch of |
| 9562s | battle Cruisers and cruisers |
| 9564s | um what's the kind of like thought |
| 9565s | process behind the decisions here and |
| 9567s | maybe the benefits of each one |
| 9570s | so the battleship you can think of a |
| 9573s | more eggs in one boss kind of style |
| 9576s | um it's a big chunky core to get behind |
| 9578s | especially with battleships having that |
| 9580s | bonus towards plates and extenders uh |
| 9583s | gaming shield and you know they have the |
| 9585s | nukes which can be devastating they have |
| 9586s | grapples grapples can be devastating |
| 9588s | they have good drone based so they |
| 9590s | normally while we're not seeing |
| 9592s | flagships in this kind of tournament you |
| 9593s | can almost consider them a kind of like |
| 9595s | as teams or compositions Flagship uh you |
| 9597s | might see this actually especially with |
| 9599s | the Shacks um that's primarily a kind of |
| 9602s | an all X and one basket uh normally |
| 9604s | because of the shack is quite |
| 9606s | devastating uh but you know you pay a |
| 9608s | lot of points for that but I kind of |
| 9610s | prefer the hidden Leaf approach of |
| 9612s | spreading more it means you can keep |
| 9614s | your momentum going uh you know you only |
| 9616s | lose a slight bit as each thing gets |
| 9618s | removed going down the ledge but you |
| 9620s | know uh we kind of saw that happening |
| 9623s | here for sound |
| 9624s | um oh you got these chunky boys that are |
| 9626s | going to be doing a lot for your team |
| 9627s | your problems built around them but the |
| 9630s | moment they're really removed whether |
| 9632s | what's the rest of your team going to do |
| 9633s | where versus a hidden Leaf if they |
| 9635s | started losing ships they could still uh |
| 9637s | you know they still got the damage they |
| 9638s | still got the tackle they probably had a |
| 9640s | lot of tackle spread throughout their |
| 9641s | account as well |
| 9643s | um and I think a lot of the accomplish |
| 9644s | just focus doing the same thing versus |
| 9646s | um sounds being kind of missiles but in |
| 9650s | a sense still split in a bad way with |
| 9653s | ranges and reloads and weapon types |
| 9656s | slightly |
| 9658s | awesome and |
| 9660s | um just speaking of the way that the the |
| 9662s | floor fluid as well we'd sometimes talk |
| 9664s | about uh winning in the draft or winning |
| 9667s | um in the comp or winning an execution |
| 9669s | uh the hidden Leaf team in this case uh |
| 9672s | played really well they flew really well |
| 9674s | didn't tan you were talking a little bit |
| 9675s | about a defensive piloting |
| 9678s | um and uh how that caused the off Zone |
| 9680s | 19 to sort of stretch out a little bit |
| 9682s | too far and over extend can you just uh |
| 9685s | explain a little bit about that for us |
| 9687s | yeah not not just actually uh out |
| 9690s | forcing sound to overextend but Ultram |
| 9692s | in that match uh when he was getting |
| 9693s | shot rather than sit there you know |
| 9696s | pounding his DPS into the primary what |
| 9698s | you would think you might want to do if |
| 9699s | you're a classic F1 monkey you know just |
| 9702s | ignore what's happening to your own ship |
| 9704s | and just keep doing what your FC tells |
| 9706s | you you burnt all the way back managed |
| 9708s | to outrange the rapid Heavies and in |
| 9710s | doing so he forced all of the sound |
| 9712s | tackle to try and follow him upload him |
| 9714s | within that range and that gave a |
| 9716s | crucial opportunity for the rest of his |
| 9718s | team with those rapid light missiles to |
| 9720s | just eviscerate The Tackle wing of sound |
| 9722s | and from that point they had no ability |
| 9725s | to hold down the much much faster ships |
| 9728s | of the Hidden Leaf ninja side and at |
| 9731s | that point so little they can do they |
| 9733s | have no control over the actual flow of |
| 9735s | the battle they just have to hope their |
| 9736s | opponents make a mistake and pound |
| 9738s | enough DPS downrange to kill off those |
| 9740s | battle Cruisers and win through sheer |
| 9743s | stats and thankfully unfortunately it |
| 9745s | was just a matter of hidden Leaf not |
| 9747s | falling into that trap and executing |
| 9749s | better than that |
| 9751s | so what do you think about the hidden |
| 9753s | Leaf team Banning out the slept near and |
| 9755s | then bringing the comp which arguably |
| 9757s | could be improved with a slept near in |
| 9759s | it |
| 9761s | yeah I think |
| 9764s | I I like it in a sense but um sometimes |
| 9768s | sometimes you remove the better ships |
| 9769s | option from the enemy because |
| 9772s | if if that's kind of like if you were to |
| 9774s | be on a consider an equal playing field |
| 9777s | even |
| 9778s | um you know or actually in this case |
| 9780s | hiddenly almost maybe considering |
| 9781s | themselves better than the other team |
| 9783s | just take the better ships away from |
| 9785s | them |
| 9786s | um and you know you're already taking |
| 9787s | down uh so you know stop giving any team |
| 9790s | free easy bonuses the free easy bonuses |
| 9792s | off the step having a ridiculous tank |
| 9794s | the free easy bonus of this slap doing |
| 9796s | the you know like a pretty easy bonus of |
| 9798s | all that damage you know so take the |
| 9800s | free energy bonuses away and uh bring |
| 9803s | them down a bit and you know uh make it |
| 9805s | let your pilot encounter a bit more than |
| 9807s | the actual |
| 9809s | yeah we also saw a couple of support |
| 9811s | ships from both sides that were perhaps |
| 9814s | important for this match uh hidden Leaf |
| 9815s | bringing a Griffin and a jackdaw and |
| 9818s | um The Ultimate Team bring a sky breaker |
| 9820s | a fly catcher and a jackdaw jintan what |
| 9823s | do you make of these support chords |
| 9824s | especially that Griffin like it seems |
| 9826s | sometimes like that's a very easy ship |
| 9827s | to remove especially when you come |
| 9829s | against the team with you know a jackdaw |
| 9833s | yeah so there's two kind of schools of |
| 9834s | thought about how your how you should |
| 9836s | use a Griffin in a comp the first school |
| 9839s | of thought is that you use a griffin to |
| 9841s | basically I am gonna send three points |
| 9844s | I'm gonna stop one ship that I think is |
| 9846s | really crucial for my opponents from |
| 9848s | having any impact on the match for the |
| 9849s | first 30 seconds to maybe a minute and |
| 9852s | force tackle out of position whilst they |
| 9854s | try and chase me and then you die um you |
| 9856s | know you're effectively just trying to |
| 9858s | get that key bit of momentum at the |
| 9860s | start of the match because fights in Eve |
| 9862s | online snowball so so quickly and the |
| 9864s | other theory is you try and use it more |
| 9866s | defensively you burn away at the start |
| 9868s | of the fight you don't put out your ECM |
| 9870s | you just try and survive until the late |
| 9872s | game but you can come back in turn off |
| 9874s | the logistics turn off a tackle ship get |
| 9876s | something free in the middle get in the |
| 9878s | mid game maybe and and really have the |
| 9881s | impact there the main thing is though |
| 9883s | you're only going to have one shot at it |
| 9885s | have once you once you come into the |
| 9887s | range of something a tackle that can |
| 9889s | dive out at you you are going to die in |
| 9890s | a griffin you have no tank and you are |
| 9893s | slower than most other frigates in the |
| 9895s | game |
| 9896s | and Jen another question for you in |
| 9899s | terms of things like 3D crafting and |
| 9902s | piloting and execution |
| 9905s | um which of those if you had to put one |
| 9906s | at the top is the most important for our |
| 9908s | team to actually win like is it okay to |
| 9910s | have mediocre theater crafting but |
| 9912s | excellent execution or can um you know |
| 9915s | really talk to you through your crafting |
| 9916s | and pre-execution still pull out a win |
| 9920s | oh sorry was that for me |
| 9922s | um yeah yeah uh |
| 9925s | um I think |
| 9926s | you know that you need a little of both |
| 9928s | you can't go into it you can't go into a |
| 9930s | game with terrible Theory crafting and |
| 9931s | just hope to play your way out of it I |
| 9933s | mean some teams have managed to do that |
| 9935s | uh but you need your opponents to under |
| 9936s | execute for that to work |
| 9939s | I I think the theory crafting tends to |
| 9942s | be the most important at this level |
| 9945s | um when you're playing in a theater |
| 9947s | tournament having a good solid comp that |
| 9950s | doesn't have any key flaws is going to |
| 9952s | win you more matches than being better |
| 9954s | practiced and better executing than your |
| 9955s | opponents once you get into the actual |
| 9957s | tournament and both teams have like kind |
| 9959s | of good understanding of the Baseline |
| 9961s | meta that's when the execution |
| 9963s | differences really come into effect |
| 9964s | that's when having a tackle pilot you |
| 9967s | can get past two pieces of defensive |
| 9969s | tackle and get in on a logistics will |
| 9971s | win you a match whereas in this sort of |
| 9974s | level it's more about making sure that |
| 9976s | you have those two defensive tackles to |
| 9978s | protect your Logistics |
| 9980s | awesome thank you now let's look forward |
| 9982s | to our next match which is going to be |
| 9984s | in just over five minutes from now it's |
| 9986s | gonna be Singularity Syndicate versus |
| 9988s | wolves among strangers so let's see if |
| 9990s | we can take a look at the bands for |
| 9992s | these two teams so as you can see |
| 9994s | sitting guide is in the Banning the |
| 9996s | bargain quite a few teams actually |
| 9997s | chosen to ban the balgorn uh they're |
| 9999s | also Banning the typhoon Fleet issue |
| 10001s | meanwhile wolves among strangers Banning |
| 10003s | the EOS the other ship we're seeing a |
| 10005s | lot of bands off and the celestis zoo |
| 10009s | um Celesta span what do you think about |
| 10010s | that |
| 10012s | interesting band |
| 10014s | um celesters are being the T1 galante |
| 10016s | e-war bonus ship uh the bonus towards |
| 10019s | damps obviously this is one of the first |
| 10021s | tournaments long time I think where |
| 10023s | we're seeing dams come back uh but I |
| 10026s | mean damps with scripts uh which is the |
| 10028s | big part here so Celeste is obviously |
| 10030s | being able to have a big harness towards |
| 10032s | that being a really scary e-worship I do |
| 10035s | feel it's a bit of an interesting band |
| 10037s | because normally when you're considering |
| 10040s | things like |
| 10041s | um ECM even webs |
| 10044s | um |
| 10045s | anywhere you generally take a look of |
| 10047s | the electronic attack ships electronic |
| 10050s | tech frigates all the T1 frigates first |
| 10052s | so you know when you're looking at ECM |
| 10053s | you're looking at the Griffin you're |
| 10054s | looking at the Kitsune when you look at |
| 10056s | the webs and paints the hyenas you know |
| 10058s | Top Dog pretty much uh when you're |
| 10059s | looking at that's even so I went for |
| 10061s | damps you'd be considering the carries |
| 10064s | and the more or less most of the time |
| 10065s | the reason that being is these ships can |
| 10067s | be quite evasive and uh you know do a |
| 10070s | lot of in a sense damage for the e-wars |
| 10073s | or the mitigation they apply with that |
| 10074s | kind of control from a really long range |
| 10076s | being mobile |
| 10078s | um and I think as Jensen was pointing |
| 10080s | out earlier with Griffin |
| 10081s | um you know that kind of setup that can |
| 10083s | have you know living to win doing a lot |
| 10085s | of damage or just doing that vital uh |
| 10087s | but they need to do at the beginning so |
| 10089s | if damso you're concerned you'd probably |
| 10091s | be looking maybe more towards those |
| 10093s | they're also a cheap thing to throw in |
| 10095s | whereas the celestis |
| 10096s | um It's Five Points only I believe um |
| 10099s | but it's a bit more of a commitment |
| 10100s | being a cruiser hole first off that's |
| 10102s | another consideration you need to take |
| 10104s | um as well |
| 10105s | um frigates are generally easier to fit |
| 10107s | in Cruisers can be a bit contested a lot |
| 10109s | of the times so might just be something |
| 10112s | they've been seeing during their uh |
| 10114s | scrims but I prefer to ban the frigates |
| 10117s | normally over the Cruisers |
| 10119s | yeah that's an interesting thing you |
| 10121s | mentioned there the scrims uh Jen |
| 10123s | obviously you've spent a lot of time in |
| 10124s | the last uh like last tournament cycle |
| 10127s | and this year practicing with |
| 10129s | um the fox Hollows team um I believe |
| 10131s | you've if not team captain you've been |
| 10133s | definitely one of the leadership of that |
| 10135s | team |
| 10136s | um how have you seen the kind of |
| 10138s | practice meta evolved like do teams kind |
| 10140s | of find the method with their own |
| 10142s | practice partners and then kind of get |
| 10144s | dialed into it sometimes |
| 10146s | uh that definitely happens when teams |
| 10149s | have like a set practice partner who |
| 10150s | they'll play with every week you'll end |
| 10152s | up with both teams kind of going down |
| 10154s | One path you know figuring out what |
| 10156s | ships uh individual Pilots tend to be |
| 10159s | particularly good with and then moving |
| 10161s | on from there you know figuring out the |
| 10162s | matchups but most teams prefer to uh at |
| 10166s | least mid-tier teams will prefer to have |
| 10167s | a wide range of practice opponents |
| 10170s | either mix up every couple of weekends |
| 10172s | or just go with completely different |
| 10174s | partners every weekend and maybe even |
| 10176s | weekday practices if you're really try |
| 10178s | Harding and because of that you end up |
| 10180s | fighting a lot of different comps and it |
| 10182s | becomes a little easier to understand |
| 10185s | the varying matchups that certain |
| 10187s | compositions can have |
| 10190s | um I would say it's always very |
| 10191s | difficult anyone who's tried to do |
| 10192s | Sports will know the pain of trying to |
| 10194s | get 10 human beings or 11 human beings |
| 10197s | together uh on one particular time and |
| 10200s | uh |
| 10202s | yeah it's good fun though I really would |
| 10204s | encourage everyone to give joining a |
| 10207s | team at some point a chance it is in my |
| 10209s | opinion the best way to play Eve online |
| 10211s | you get you know two to three hours of |
| 10213s | guaranteed Fair PVP at no cost you don't |
| 10216s | have to grind up ships for it you don't |
| 10218s | have to go in and make your bookmarks |
| 10220s | unless you're the poor sort who has to |
| 10221s | set up the arena |
| 10223s | um it is fantastic fun |
| 10226s | I cannot recommend it and it's got a lot |
| 10227s | easier these days with their multi-fit |
| 10230s | and Thunderdome I remember uh running |
| 10232s | teams back in the day where a couple of |
| 10234s | you had to get on hours before and set |
| 10237s | and fit up every individual ship one by |
| 10239s | one by one so I'm glad that those times |
| 10242s | have long gone uh welcome back to you |
| 10244s | and talk to you a little bit more later |
| 10245s | on about that whole like how to run a |
| 10247s | team how to practice and things like |
| 10248s | that because I think that's something a |
| 10249s | lot of people have been considering you |
| 10251s | know joining the at would be interested |
| 10253s | to hear about but for now it's time to |
| 10255s | go to the match it's gonna be |
| 10256s | Singularity Syndicate versus wolves |
| 10258s | among strangers with your casters Alec |
| 10261s | and bbp |
| 10266s | just as you |
| 10272s | hello and welcome to the match where we |
| 10275s | have Singularity Syndicate versus wolves |
| 10277s | among strangers uh Singularity Syndicate |
| 10279s | is bringing what looks to be a heavy |
| 10281s | missile launcher kite but they have |
| 10283s | decided to bring a couple of carries and |
| 10285s | mollus as well so they're gonna try and |
| 10288s | damp people down while pulling as much |
| 10290s | range as possible uh Alec are you with |
| 10293s | me |
| 10296s | awesome perfect I got this all right we |
| 10299s | also have uh welcome strangers bringing |
| 10302s | a double Bargas double Cerberus or |
| 10303s | thrust by Frost with some hyenas doing a |
| 10306s | light missile setup so we have two |
| 10307s | separate hiding setups that look like |
| 10308s | they're going to be attempting to out |
| 10311s | kite and outly each other I do really |
| 10313s | appreciate the hyena on the Wolves among |
| 10315s | stranger side and we will see how this |
| 10318s | goes down we have about 15 seconds left |
| 10320s | before this match starts |
| 10329s | yeah hey bark stepping in for this match |
| 10331s | due to some technical difficulties we |
| 10333s | have |
| 10334s | um what are your kind of early |
| 10335s | predictions here |
| 10337s | uh I'm uh I'm really liking Singularity |
| 10340s | Syndicate I think they're the first |
| 10341s | heavy missile uh kite setup that we have |
| 10343s | seen this match but this is really going |
| 10345s | to come down to who's able to apply |
| 10347s | damage and who's able to actually get |
| 10349s | something done in this initial stuff we |
| 10351s | are seeing damps going out on the Argus |
| 10353s | and the servers from Bulls among |
| 10354s | strangers which should make it so that |
| 10355s | their lock range isn't quite that high |
| 10356s | some of the damage from multiple |
| 10358s | strangers is going straight onto that |
| 10359s | Navy Drake kind of an interesting choice |
| 10361s | there but they are relatively squishy |
| 10362s | ships but Singularity Syndicate is doing |
| 10364s | a lot of damage to this orthos from |
| 10365s | Worlds among strangers |
| 10367s | yeah I'm definitely liking the trade |
| 10369s | against going for arthrus it's a |
| 10371s | relatively squishy its tank is probably |
| 10373s | just going to be an ancillary Shield |
| 10375s | booster and you know whatever the burst |
| 10377s | in the Phantom can apply whereas a |
| 10379s | Drake's gonna be a bit harder to break |
| 10381s | but you know kind of uh |
| 10384s | um interesting as you were describing to |
| 10386s | see kind of a bit of something of a |
| 10388s | mirror match between heavy missile kite |
| 10390s | we see that the harpy from uh |
| 10392s | Singularity sync it is trying to close |
| 10394s | range a little bit maybe get some tackle |
| 10397s | uh nothing really breaking just teams |
| 10399s | front position right now is this Loki is |
| 10401s | trying to close range and maybe get |
| 10403s | bonus webs on something |
| 10406s | yeah we're getting a little bit of |
| 10408s | damage out on Cole's carries uh actually |
| 10411s | they didn't might break through it uh |
| 10413s | dropping it into a Shield's armor |
| 10414s | structure and it does catch at the last |
| 10416s | second but I think it's still going to |
| 10417s | go down and it does drop quite quickly |
| 10419s | uh Singularity Syndicate though it |
| 10420s | appears to have damage applied to |
| 10422s | Stewart's burst though looks like |
| 10424s | they're having a little bit of trouble |
| 10425s | applying those heavy missile launchers |
| 10427s | to the logistics rivets |
| 10430s | yeah we do see that there are |
| 10433s | on top of them that would help a little |
| 10435s | bit but uh it may not be enough |
| 10439s | um the burst is doing a decent enough |
| 10441s | job at trying to whole range from what |
| 10444s | would be heavy missiles so that may be |
| 10446s | mitigating some of the damage uh Karen |
| 10449s | Rayleigh now as it appears to be the |
| 10451s | primary |
| 10452s | um taking damage he was in front a |
| 10455s | little bit maybe now trying to burn away |
| 10459s | um yeah he's trying to pull range a |
| 10461s | little bit now oh no he's he's anchoring |
| 10463s | uh-oh that's not that's not good part |
| 10466s | not I don't know I mean anchoring is a |
| 10468s | pretty cool tactic right like everyone |
| 10470s | does it in TQ all the time I've heard |
| 10472s | that it's uh perhaps the best way to fly |
| 10474s | your chips but uh yeah in the at |
| 10475s | anchoring generally isn't a great idea |
| 10477s | uh he doesn't seem to be holding pretty |
| 10479s | well I wonder if that's because of the |
| 10480s | ADC though and you know interestingly |
| 10483s | enough uh because they're anchored |
| 10484s | everybody's taking decent amount of |
| 10485s | damage from that stormbringer on |
| 10487s | Singularity which we don't really see |
| 10488s | that much |
| 10491s | yeah |
| 10492s | um normally we see stormbringers do a |
| 10494s | really good job of killing um drones |
| 10496s | it's actually cleared off a good amount |
| 10498s | of Shield maintenance bonds that would |
| 10499s | be fair enough but if you're carrying in |
| 10502s | that situation and you're being the |
| 10503s | primary what you need to do is choose to |
| 10506s | earn away uh right now we see that um |
| 10508s | jacked off here of Razer |
| 10511s | um was you know also anchored and |
| 10513s | jackdaw is not going to have a |
| 10515s | survivability of any of these other |
| 10518s | Cruisers |
| 10520s | can you guys hear me |
| 10522s | oh yeah we can totally hear you uh but |
| 10524s | yeah it turns out absolutely maybe isn't |
| 10526s | the correct Choice here and they have |
| 10527s | chosen to die and this authors is now |
| 10529s | taking a massive amount of damage so uh |
| 10531s | welcome to the party Alec uh |
| 10533s | how how is everything just in time to |
| 10535s | see that Singularity is Syndicate |
| 10536s | basilisk run into a big heap of treble |
| 10539s | that is about to drop |
| 10541s | oh |
| 10543s | yeah they did uh |
| 10547s | he's got to be feeling that one it looks |
| 10549s | like he had an ancillary Shield booster |
| 10551s | but he couldn't have gotten off more |
| 10552s | than one or two charges there they were |
| 10554s | really hoping that basil has tanked a |
| 10556s | bit longer and now their Loki is about |
| 10557s | to join him this is a big potential |
| 10559s | turnaround for Bulls among strangers |
| 10563s | yeah it is I think that maybe there's a |
| 10565s | chance here now uh because they still do |
| 10566s | have those two burgers they are going to |
| 10568s | probably lose Corey in the Cerberus but |
| 10570s | it looks like they might trade it for |
| 10572s | the Loki here and something to note both |
| 10575s | these teams are kind of kiting fit that |
| 10576s | they're kind of blobbed up right on top |
| 10578s | of each other uh |
| 10579s | which is not exactly where you want to |
| 10581s | be uh the Basilisk pilot actually was |
| 10584s | directly on top of the Argus and uh that |
| 10587s | probably led to its demise quite quickly |
| 10590s | yeah the bar guests have abandoned the |
| 10592s | kiting strategy entirely and they're now |
| 10593s | trying to run down and Maul The Cutting |
| 10597s | team from Singularity Syndicate and it |
| 10599s | is working for them they seem to be |
| 10601s | boxing them out uh kind of pushing them |
| 10603s | more toward the edge of the Arena where |
| 10605s | they're running out of room to run and |
| 10606s | it's allowing them to land these scrams |
| 10608s | that said they're about to lose that |
| 10610s | bifrost which should be links that will |
| 10612s | slow them down |
| 10615s | yeah it will and I I'm wondering uh it |
| 10617s | looks like the Navy Drake of Cyrus is |
| 10619s | tackled down by a vargist and they're |
| 10620s | both sitting uh pretty much directly on |
| 10622s | top of it I would like to see uh maybe |
| 10624s | one of these Argus pull off and you know |
| 10626s | they're pretty long range ships that |
| 10627s | they don't need to be directly on top of |
| 10628s | the Navy Drake so I think that uh |
| 10630s | Singularity is gonna have to start |
| 10631s | really seriously kiting here I'm a |
| 10633s | little worried because two bargists even |
| 10635s | if they were anchoring up on each other |
| 10637s | which they still might be doing are |
| 10639s | incredibly difficult to take down with |
| 10641s | only a tingu and a Drake and a Navy |
| 10643s | Drake except said Navy Drake is about to |
| 10645s | drop over the hyena on Wheels among |
| 10646s | strangers does drop as well which means |
| 10648s | there's no more webs on grid because I |
| 10649s | don't think those Vargas have them fit |
| 10651s | and very critically not only are the |
| 10653s | bargs hard to take down but they are a |
| 10655s | massive pile of points that is 48 points |
| 10658s | for the Wolves among stranger team right |
| 10660s | there if they manage to stay alive that |
| 10663s | itself opens up a tremendous opportunity |
| 10665s | for them to win on points if this goes |
| 10667s | to time and like you said they have a |
| 10669s | pretty stiff tank or they should anyway |
| 10671s | we're about to see that here as Hill of |
| 10674s | monies bar gas tank is being tested |
| 10675s | right now |
| 10677s | it is being tested but uh they are |
| 10679s | taking down the Drake of East tibian at |
| 10681s | this moment and again both of these |
| 10682s | Vargas uh finally split up so maybe one |
| 10685s | of them decided to stop anchoring at |
| 10686s | this point uh splitting up and going for |
| 10688s | other ships and I don't know I don't |
| 10690s | think you can actually break up Argus |
| 10691s | with Justie tingu any stormbringer as |
| 10693s | DPS |
| 10694s | yeah I was just about to say that the |
| 10696s | Tango is really the last significant |
| 10698s | piece of damage they have the stork and |
| 10700s | the harpy could potentially be putting |
| 10702s | out a fairly sizable amount themselves |
| 10704s | but not enough to take down a pair of |
| 10706s | battleships |
| 10709s | is managing to stay alive that is |
| 10712s | impressive buying that team a little |
| 10714s | more time to get the points back |
| 10717s | well wolves does have both of their |
| 10719s | Logistics forget still alive even though |
| 10721s | they are tech one and uh I think two |
| 10723s | tech one Logistics forgets can still |
| 10725s | slightly barely tank against a single |
| 10727s | tingu any Stormbreaker so I'm uh up on |
| 10731s | points right now it is actually on |
| 10733s | Singularity Syndicate to kill one of the |
| 10735s | bargs if they don't there's no way that |
| 10737s | they're coming out of this tournament or |
| 10738s | excuse me of this match with a win and |
| 10740s | advancing the tournament and that Tengu |
| 10742s | is about to drop he is clawing back |
| 10745s | Shields but every time he does his |
| 10746s | structure is bleeding more and more |
| 10749s | oh that's a big chunk oh he's down |
| 10752s | self-rep tingu almost survived so I mean |
| 10755s | that's good points up here but uh yeah |
| 10757s | wolves with their uh possible anchoring |
| 10759s | and |
| 10760s | such strategy uh definitely proved that |
| 10763s | at the end of the day you know comps |
| 10765s | matter and Vargas are very very powerful |
| 10766s | here but |
| 10768s | I don't know I don't I don't think |
| 10769s | wolves can possibly lose this unless one |
| 10770s | of the Vargas decides to take a journey |
| 10772s | to the outer edge of the Arena |
| 10774s | oh and there if you look at the barks |
| 10776s | they are paired up very tightly together |
| 10778s | into a little death ball there and |
| 10780s | they've even managed to tackle the |
| 10782s | stormbringer and now that is probably |
| 10784s | gonna drop as well stormbringer just a |
| 10787s | great idea in concept I really like the |
| 10789s | pick of the ship but |
| 10791s | just ran into the wrong comp for it but |
| 10794s | these bar guests the lack of drones uh |
| 10796s | there really wasn't a lot for the |
| 10798s | stormbringer to affect and it was wound |
| 10799s | up being a big pile of points that was |
| 10801s | not doing a lot of work for them |
| 10804s | I think that it maybe had an opportunity |
| 10806s | here um I'm wondering if they were |
| 10808s | planning on fighting Up Against drones |
| 10810s | or something and then just decided to |
| 10811s | bring it anyways but I agree the |
| 10813s | Stormbreaker really didn't uh do all |
| 10815s | that much in this match and we have |
| 10817s | about two minutes remaining I believe |
| 10819s | that was among strangers Vargas are |
| 10820s | probably on a rapid heavy reload before |
| 10822s | they clear this grid so you know at this |
| 10824s | point uh I guess it's kind of up to both |
| 10826s | these teams to decide you know is |
| 10828s | anchoring a good thing is losing to |
| 10830s | people that anchors a good thing |
| 10832s | I don't think there's any shame in |
| 10834s | anchoring as a tried and true Eve tactic |
| 10836s | for certain comps I think it can work |
| 10839s | and one advantage of anchoring versus |
| 10842s | not anchoring is it takes the math the |
| 10844s | mental math away from the anchoring |
| 10846s | Pilots so they can focus their brains on |
| 10849s | other things |
| 10851s | if your comp can get away with it it's a |
| 10853s | great way to give your Pilots more |
| 10856s | mental capacity to manage their modules |
| 10859s | to look at what the enemy comp is doing |
| 10862s | it's not necessarily a death sentence |
| 10864s | just by itself |
| 10867s | oh that is uh as we say that the support |
| 10869s | wing of Singularity Syndicate is |
| 10871s | suiciding itself against these bargs |
| 10873s | flying into scram a new range |
| 10876s | yeah uh somebody had a good idea on TQ |
| 10878s | or in the tournament |
| 10880s | well and you know here's the thing is |
| 10882s | that they the points actually do matter |
| 10884s | like the amount of points you lose by |
| 10886s | does matter because this isn't something |
| 10887s | where they're out like if this ends up |
| 10889s | in a tie what if Singularity Syndicate |
| 10892s | ends up losing the tiebreaker by 11 |
| 10893s | points because they didn't keep historic |
| 10895s | Aries alive something to think about |
| 10897s | teams if you want to uh possibly worry |
| 10899s | about this tiebreaker matches |
| 10901s | and it looks like the car race has |
| 10903s | gotten the memo because he is kiting for |
| 10905s | dear life right now |
| 10911s | we are now 30 seconds left and the |
| 10914s | ultimate test is to see if this guy is |
| 10916s | gonna survive he's hanging around a |
| 10917s | micro jump Beacon right now looks like |
| 10919s | he's maneuvering himself around to make |
| 10921s | a jump but will he go for Glory or go |
| 10924s | for survival that is the question |
| 10927s | well it appears that uh he went for |
| 10929s | missing the jump B completely and uh is |
| 10932s | now turning back towards the jump Deacon |
| 10934s | so drop it out and his head points to go |
| 10936s | there you go yep doesn't matter he goes |
| 10939s | down uh just as the match ends and we |
| 10942s | are going to send that back to the desk |
| 10946s | now for the triglovian weather report |
| 10948s | brought to you by Exodus the weather |
| 10950s | calls for this integration |
| 10957s | and that's the weather forever |
| 10969s | for just 10 million isk a month you can |
| 10972s | save the life of a high-sec minor |
| 10975s | foreign |
| 11007s | wolves among strangers they are |
| 11009s | deploying the elite pack tactics of |
| 11011s | anchoring to Victory and quanting down |
| 11014s | those Cindy memes in twitch chat uh Jin |
| 11018s | tan I'm going to just let you take the |
| 11021s | thought you had some comments on uh the |
| 11023s | screening there from Singularity |
| 11025s | syndicate |
| 11026s | yeah so Singularity Syndicate had two |
| 11029s | pieces of defensive tackle they had |
| 11031s | their primary defensive tackle in the I |
| 11033s | believe it was a heartbeat it was either |
| 11034s | the harpy or a hawk it was one of the |
| 11035s | kaldari assault frigates and then there |
| 11038s | they had some emergency defensive tackle |
| 11040s | in their stalk and they didn't use |
| 11042s | either of it those two ships were still |
| 11044s | alive right at the end of the match and |
| 11046s | you know you can maybe make some blame |
| 11049s | on the Basilisk there for getting caught |
| 11051s | because realistically in a basilisk you |
| 11053s | shouldn't be getting caught by a |
| 11054s | battleship |
| 11055s | that is a mistake on their part but |
| 11058s | those those frigates should have gone in |
| 11060s | at that point they should have tackled |
| 11061s | down one of those battleships and they |
| 11063s | should have made sure that they were |
| 11064s | spread apart made sure they couldn't |
| 11065s | concentrate their fire onto one target |
| 11067s | but they didn't instead they chose to be |
| 11069s | selfish chose to keep themselves alive |
| 11072s | and as a result of that their team lost |
| 11074s | I think Cindy had a quite a clear |
| 11076s | Advantage at the midpoint of that match |
| 11077s | and |
| 11079s | um once uh wolves wolves amongst |
| 11081s | strangers change their approach went in |
| 11083s | for a really aggressive run with those |
| 11084s | bar guests the fact that they didn't |
| 11086s | react to that counter it with you know |
| 11089s | going in for a bit of suicide tackle |
| 11090s | holding off that front and letting them |
| 11092s | finish off the rest of the fleet support |
| 11094s | before the bar guests managed to get on |
| 11096s | top of the Basilisk that cost uh Cindy |
| 11099s | that match should be perfectly honest if |
| 11101s | uh if Cindy had been able to soak that |
| 11103s | pressure it would have won off the back |
| 11104s | of that |
| 11106s | yeah I think that comes back a little |
| 11107s | bit to what we spoke about earlier on |
| 11109s | where some team some ships and some |
| 11111s | people |
| 11112s | um are basically designated to die as |
| 11116s | soon as the match starts like that's |
| 11117s | your job is to live as long as you can |
| 11121s | but do not let this guy free like or |
| 11124s | tackle him and just stay on them until |
| 11126s | they kill you and you know leaving that |
| 11129s | alone to go try and save yourself or |
| 11130s | running back to your logistic ship |
| 11132s | saying hey rep me rep me while he's |
| 11133s | trying to rep |
| 11135s | like to be a win for the team and |
| 11138s | obviously you win or you lose as a team |
| 11140s | here in the alliance tournament speaking |
| 11143s | of doing things as a team Zoo |
| 11145s | um it looked like perhaps we saw some |
| 11148s | anchoring in the world's team uh is that |
| 11151s | right |
| 11154s | well you can say anchoring or some very |
| 11156s | coordinated double clicking in space we |
| 11159s | can say |
| 11160s | um but normally you have Kai comps you |
| 11162s | could consider it in a sense of accurate |
| 11164s | it's look it's not the end of the world |
| 11165s | obviously we're frowned upon it because |
| 11167s | we're all uh Elite pvpers here in the AP |
| 11169s | uh sphere |
| 11171s | um you're doing sometimes a Kai comp you |
| 11175s | maybe want to keep that uh you can |
| 11177s | travel around this ball normally while |
| 11178s | you have a logic app you want to keep |
| 11180s | that cluster up to make sure Logie |
| 11182s | doesn't need to run all over the map |
| 11183s | chasing all the little children lost |
| 11185s | around the map to wrap them up if Logie |
| 11187s | goes down you can do something called a |
| 11189s | starburst and then it's just pretty much |
| 11190s | in a sense every man for itself is |
| 11192s | something to apply but something which |
| 11195s | people sometimes don't consider in the |
| 11196s | sense of anchoring is when there's a lot |
| 11199s | of e-war pretend showing grid so let's |
| 11201s | say damps uh you don't know how what's |
| 11202s | gonna have missile guidance disruptors |
| 11204s | anything like that and you're running |
| 11205s | this long-range missile |
| 11208s | compared every accounts every shot |
| 11211s | counts are connected |
| 11213s | you don't know what's going to happen |
| 11214s | with your range disruptions |
| 11216s | um you can suddenly be like okay we're |
| 11218s | cutting uh you know here at or I can |
| 11221s | shoot this guy or you can't shoot this |
| 11222s | guy you know one of these podcasts go |
| 11224s | down to 40 kilometers suddenly and the |
| 11226s | other one can't so if they try and keep |
| 11228s | themselves clustered up or anchored we |
| 11231s | can say in this case |
| 11232s | um the FC can just try and figure out |
| 11234s | what is the minimum distance uh I need |
| 11237s | to be now for the entire fleet to apply |
| 11239s | all their damage that being said |
| 11242s | um I do feel arriving on grid uh wolves |
| 11245s | probably should have assessed quite |
| 11247s | sooner that hiding against the e-war |
| 11250s | heavy team uh well you know is not the |
| 11253s | best in that setup because the others |
| 11255s | team could constantly shoot them while |
| 11257s | uh wolves was against stamps all the |
| 11259s | time and we saw it took a great effect |
| 11261s | when we all suddenly realized why are we |
| 11263s | cutting let's just fight them at Point |
| 11265s | Blank use these new to use these smart |
| 11267s | bombs we have on these bar gas there's |
| 11269s | no reason to kite if we have the bigger |
| 11271s | Firepower |
| 11273s | yeah and they actually say turned around |
| 11276s | and changed their tactics moved in and |
| 11277s | just started dismantling at one point it |
| 11279s | was 50 points a piece uh with those two |
| 11281s | bar gas and then two points in the |
| 11283s | logistics frigates uh the tech one |
| 11285s | Logistics frigates going up against more |
| 11287s | ships but less uh less chunky boys uh |
| 11290s | jintan uh we don't normally see very |
| 11292s | many Tech three Cruisers uh but that |
| 11295s | last comp we saw a Tengu and a Loki |
| 11297s | fielded by the same team why don't we |
| 11299s | see those those ships as often as we may |
| 11301s | be able to think |
| 11304s | um there's a couple of reasons uh some |
| 11305s | of them are just due to the limitations |
| 11306s | of the format as we described before |
| 11309s | with regards to the nightmare Tech 3s |
| 11311s | are one of those ships that gain so so |
| 11313s | much from being able to bling them they |
| 11316s | have really strong percentage bonuses |
| 11318s | but those percentage bonuses only really |
| 11319s | apply one um they apply so much better |
| 11322s | when you have a very high baseline from |
| 11325s | good modules |
| 11327s | um and the other one is just the points |
| 11328s | value of them in the tournament the uh |
| 11330s | Tech threes are all pointed at 16 points |
| 11333s | and that makes them effectively two |
| 11335s | points cheaper than a heavy assault |
| 11338s | Cruiser but four sorry in a command ship |
| 11341s | but four points more expensive than a |
| 11343s | heavy assault Cruiser and that means |
| 11345s | that you know a Tengu is better than a |
| 11348s | Cerberus but it's not Four Points better |
| 11350s | than the servers it's not better than an |
| 11351s | extra third of one in the overall team |
| 11353s | so you tend to not see them raw except |
| 11356s | in comps like this where you really need |
| 11358s | as many heavy missile carriers as you |
| 11359s | possibly can |
| 11360s | in addition that that high point total |
| 11363s | is typically brought uh brought up by |
| 11365s | the power of the Loki Loki is such a |
| 11367s | strong ship because it brings High DPS |
| 11369s | High tank and then one of the most |
| 11372s | crucial things in a tournament |
| 11373s | composition which is bonus webs |
| 11376s | um the ability to control range either |
| 11378s | offensively or defensively in a low-key |
| 11380s | uh means that it's normally worth the 16 |
| 11383s | points but that means that the Tengu the |
| 11386s | Proteus and even worse than that the |
| 11388s | legion generally don't get a look in in |
| 11390s | the tournament setting |
| 11392s | and speaking of controlling range let's |
| 11394s | look at our next match as one of the |
| 11396s | teams here Exodus uh very storied |
| 11398s | tournament team very uh good TQ Pilots |
| 11401s | as well lots of Katie BS they like to |
| 11403s | fly up against the initiative uh the |
| 11406s | bands are on screen right now we have uh |
| 11408s | balgar and band again and bar guest by |
| 11410s | Exodus along with the shack first time |
| 11412s | we've seen that I think uh initiative |
| 11415s | choosing to ban balgar and EOS and the |
| 11417s | Gila uh Zoo what are you thinking about |
| 11419s | these bands here we've seen a lot of uh |
| 11421s | balgarh bands why why ban the shack |
| 11426s | so the shack being a trickle ban |
| 11428s | obviously with both teams Banning the |
| 11430s | bulgar and they both got an additional |
| 11431s | band here |
| 11433s | um The Shack is an interesting one I'm |
| 11434s | not too sure how much we've been seeing |
| 11436s | it at all it is a scary ship but the |
| 11439s | shack normally by itself is quite |
| 11441s | expensive |
| 11442s | um it does a ridiculous amount of damage |
| 11444s | but does require time to get up to that |
| 11446s | particular amount of damage but I also |
| 11448s | feel it's a bit of an odd demand |
| 11450s | considering scripted Ebor is back in so |
| 11453s | I was talking about that spool of the |
| 11455s | shack so it can ramp up to ridiculous |
| 11457s | amount of dams I think if you feel it |
| 11459s | you know in a certain way over 2000 or |
| 11460s | business breaking 2000 Mark um tracking |
| 11463s | is pretty good on them as well but the |
| 11465s | problem with triggerating weapons is if |
| 11467s | they have an optimal range they have |
| 11469s | zero fall off so if any uh if they go |
| 11471s | out of that full of their optimal I mean |
| 11473s | they immediately stop so with something |
| 11475s | like scripted ewar I mean uh damps and |
| 11478s | tracking disruptors you can literally |
| 11480s | just you don't need to keep disrupting |
| 11482s | the The Shack you can just cycle once do |
| 11484s | it nice heated overload cycle of that |
| 11486s | and go like okay uh start from Zeal or |
| 11488s | Shaq have fun |
| 11490s | um but it is an expansive ship like I |
| 11492s | mentioned before uh with the damage it |
| 11494s | has the new bonus |
| 11496s | um normally it's been used in the past |
| 11498s | with armor control pumps um there's a |
| 11501s | shack being very expensive to cut you |
| 11503s | off their Zoo as we are ready to go to |
| 11505s | the match itself I'm afraid um it's |
| 11507s | going to be excess versus the initiative |
| 11510s | countdown about to start up your hand |
| 11511s | over to fear and moderator |
| 11519s | welcome back ladies and gentlemen to |
| 11521s | this next round of the alliance |
| 11523s | tournament theaters we have |
| 11526s | um the initiative in a you know |
| 11528s | Battleship heavy core |
| 11530s | um 3bs going with those uh rapid heavy |
| 11532s | missiles and uh walk me through kind of |
| 11534s | the archetype of Excellence |
| 11537s | uh they brought uh triple Battleship as |
| 11541s | well and another armor control type of |
| 11542s | matchup but this time rolling it out |
| 11544s | with blasters with the Dual vin with a |
| 11546s | Vindicator megathorn Navy and important |
| 11549s | distinction and it brought rhmls on |
| 11552s | their get in it's a full new get in from |
| 11554s | Exodus dot as we start the match in uh |
| 11558s | right now indicator's starting to burn |
| 11560s | in towards these dual typhoon Fleet |
| 11562s | issues now typhoon Fleet a little bit of |
| 11564s | a faster ship we'll see if they're gonna |
| 11566s | be able to catch him with this low end |
| 11567s | but both teams low ends are burning back |
| 11569s | right now waiting for an opening |
| 11572s | yeah I can't help but feel like that is |
| 11574s | shimu um who is now turning around is |
| 11576s | going to try to um use some of his |
| 11578s | utility long-range webs to try to slow |
| 11580s | down Exodus as that Vindicator at |
| 11583s | megathron and that stabber Fleet are now |
| 11584s | closing to range uh but as far as the |
| 11587s | new war I can't help but feel like X is |
| 11589s | probably going to uh mitigate a lot of |
| 11592s | that as she moves newts right now we see |
| 11594s | wasps we see |
| 11596s | um taking some damage that's gonna be |
| 11597s | from a Grappler and a web we see those |
| 11600s | uh mashima webs getting on top of Wasa |
| 11602s | and slowing down sabotage is Battleship |
| 11607s | yeah the stabber Fleet issue going down |
| 11610s | pretty low trying to run scream for the |
| 11613s | rest of his team but he's starting to |
| 11614s | burn back as the vindicators keep moving |
| 11616s | in they're trying to go on to this |
| 11619s | ashimu now there's a big thorn in their |
| 11621s | side they need to get these webs off the |
| 11622s | table but the style is actually taking |
| 11624s | damage right now I'm not sure exactly uh |
| 11626s | what's on top of him it looks like just |
| 11627s | drones the stopper Fleet goes down first |
| 11630s | yeah that's going to be a lot of the |
| 11632s | rapid heavy clip from |
| 11634s | um initiative depend on killing waltha |
| 11636s | QC let's see what exes can do in return |
| 11639s | as and it's probably going to have to |
| 11641s | reload before they can really kill |
| 11642s | anything else they will put some damage |
| 11644s | onto their actual Nightblade of course |
| 11646s | but they won't be able to let them out |
| 11647s | meanwhile um they're going to continue |
| 11649s | to apply damage to that ashimu who is |
| 11652s | being sat on at zero by uh Blaster ships |
| 11655s | does go down Valley continues to take |
| 11658s | damage as you had mentioned but it's |
| 11659s | only from drones nothing's on top of f |
| 11661s | of yet |
| 11663s | well Magus uh is diving in towards the |
| 11665s | rest of this team giving them boost |
| 11666s | importantly this arm again is actually |
| 11667s | Doven all the way towards this thorax on |
| 11670s | the back side of the fight he's got the |
| 11672s | long range uh newts on top of him but uh |
| 11676s | he's playing a little bit further away |
| 11677s | from these vindies uh zaraxel Knight |
| 11680s | blade uh currently just got a bunch of |
| 11682s | armadrons on top of him he's staying |
| 11684s | alive is this typhoon Fleet of shig |
| 11686s | appears to be the new primary for Exodus |
| 11688s | Dot |
| 11689s | yeah um Shake is running pretty far away |
| 11692s | here |
| 11693s | um the Rex will continue to apply a new |
| 11696s | pressure to the initiative |
| 11699s | um Armageddon trying to trade out since |
| 11700s | he's got more Newt and trying to shut |
| 11703s | down the Thalia and the D and with |
| 11705s | applied uh new pressure maybe turn off |
| 11707s | some hardeners or turn off propulsion |
| 11709s | modules you can see that uh El Orion is |
| 11712s | going to be 1mnab moving at around 800 |
| 11715s | 900 meters a second despite being |
| 11717s | scrammed so uh scram's usually not super |
| 11720s | effective at stopping um these nope |
| 11723s | tattoo I forget logic |
| 11726s | yeah they're having trouble tracking |
| 11727s | this Dahlia right now the vindicators |
| 11729s | are deep in the sauce at the moment |
| 11732s | might actually be on top of the thorax |
| 11734s | right now and that appears to be their |
| 11735s | new primary so the stalia got out uh |
| 11738s | using that afterburner to his Advantage |
| 11739s | but importantly not a lot has fallen |
| 11742s | quite yet these King killer rapid heavy |
| 11744s | ships haven't been able to take down |
| 11745s | this getting quite yet as they lose uh |
| 11748s | their first Cruiser off the match |
| 11751s | yeah and kind of interesting to note |
| 11755s | um Exodus choosing to bring a jackdaw in |
| 11757s | this composition you wouldn't normally |
| 11759s | think you know |
| 11761s | um you know jacked off uh but they've |
| 11763s | also got you know a purifier and a hound |
| 11765s | and I can't help but feel like |
| 11767s | um Exodus |
| 11768s | auger fighting with this awesome Saga is |
| 11771s | going down very low right now these |
| 11772s | typhoon Fleet issues getting their |
| 11774s | damage down this could take off the |
| 11776s | lodgy and the Armageddon will be in a |
| 11778s | lot of trouble only having rep drones on |
| 11780s | top of them the auger is dead and the |
| 11781s | logic's gone from the table for Exodus |
| 11784s | yeah that's going to be a kind of a |
| 11786s | crucial uh trade that initiative did |
| 11788s | here they realize they can't break any |
| 11790s | of the Battleship so you know you have |
| 11793s | to play for the support and going after |
| 11795s | an auger is I would say definitely the |
| 11797s | call there uh so that's going to prompt |
| 11800s | access to try to close the range get on |
| 11801s | top of something and they have gotten on |
| 11804s | top of uh shig tawny's |
| 11806s | um Battleship we see that the indicator |
| 11808s | and the megathon are planted on top of |
| 11810s | him at zero slamming him uh with void |
| 11813s | and I don't think he's going to be able |
| 11815s | to hold against that kind of damage here |
| 11818s | yeah dolology frags are very good but |
| 11821s | not enough to deal with uh two ships |
| 11823s | with a full rack of blasters uh doing |
| 11826s | void damage at zero Shake about to go |
| 11830s | down they're gonna lose significant |
| 11832s | chunk of the rapid heavy power but |
| 11833s | remember this is a rapid heavy getting |
| 11835s | so they will have at least some damage |
| 11837s | on that get in while they move on to the |
| 11839s | rest of these ships uh but that said |
| 11841s | this Vindicator megathon Navy have been |
| 11842s | untouched this match now they're getting |
| 11844s | damage on top of the cabin of Kenny |
| 11848s | yeah unfortunately for Kenny he's being |
| 11850s | shot on again by a megathron in |
| 11852s | Armageddon and if you look at |
| 11853s | initiatives attack bar I don't even know |
| 11855s | if they have any clip left |
| 11857s | um they're continuing to try to put |
| 11858s | pressure onto zaraxon light blade and |
| 11860s | just get the nudes off of them but uh |
| 11862s | it's not really working right now for |
| 11865s | them right now we see drones on Del |
| 11866s | orientalia uh putting split pressure on |
| 11869s | that and the Armageddon who is |
| 11871s | desperately trying to Smart bomb drones |
| 11873s | off of him uh but it's going to be two |
| 11875s | little two ladies is going down into |
| 11877s | whole uh Thalia going down into hole and |
| 11880s | will pop just before this Armageddon of |
| 11882s | Kenny drops |
| 11884s | and that's pretty much all she wrote for |
| 11886s | this match single typhoon Fleet issue |
| 11888s | does do some damage but not nearly |
| 11890s | enough to deal with three battleships uh |
| 11893s | from Exodus dot taking the win a little |
| 11895s | bit of a scary start poking and prodding |
| 11898s | they lose their laundry but they make |
| 11900s | the commitment onto the battleships and |
| 11901s | they end up pulling ahead and uh should |
| 11903s | be able to clean up this match just fine |
| 11906s | yeah before um the uh excuse me for the |
| 11911s | auger of night or drop down I was trying |
| 11913s | to talk about compounding the purifier |
| 11915s | who have been sitting just at range |
| 11917s | kiting with javelin missile staying uh |
| 11920s | very smartly out of the range of Rapid |
| 11922s | Heavies from |
| 11924s | um the core of initiative and they've |
| 11927s | just been pelting them with you know 400 |
| 11929s | damage worth of their torpedo Staying |
| 11932s | Alive because initiative just didn't |
| 11934s | really have the tools |
| 11936s | um to really get on top of these bombers |
| 11938s | and death wind |
| 11940s | um you would think oh hey that's a |
| 11941s | shield ship in that Jack thought uh no |
| 11944s | he's just been applying um amps and just |
| 11947s | harassing being annoying to initiative |
| 11949s | uh making them either have to lock |
| 11951s | longer or take |
| 11953s | um you know closer engagements and uh |
| 11956s | not be able to necessarily lock on top |
| 11958s | of those bombers |
| 11960s | yeah and the armor jacked uh I mean it's |
| 11962s | a really interesting pick but I think |
| 11963s | you're right the damp utility that it |
| 11966s | brings is really nice even though |
| 11967s | they're on bonus stamps you have a lot |
| 11969s | of mid slots uh and enough low slots |
| 11972s | that you can successfully armor tank the |
| 11974s | ship in these types of Ops |
| 11976s | um this is actually why you see some TQ |
| 11978s | fleets actually bring damp Daws uh in |
| 11981s | their kind of Mainline t3d dog Trends |
| 11983s | because they have a lot of mid slots |
| 11985s | especially for t3d uh so I like the uh |
| 11988s | damp flit I will hope to see what the |
| 11991s | desk thinks about that is Magus and |
| 11993s | vexar are the last two alive Magus looks |
| 11995s | like he's going for the boundary right |
| 11997s | now |
| 11998s | oh now he's turning back in |
| 12000s | yeah the vexer is just trying to kite |
| 12002s | towards one of the corner micro jump |
| 12004s | drive beacons |
| 12005s | um X is having a really strong showing |
| 12007s | in this event I think at the |
| 12010s | um onset of this tournament we said that |
| 12013s | um them alongside Odin's call are |
| 12015s | probably uh the two best teams in this |
| 12017s | entire feeders event |
| 12019s | um I think mini on the desk myself |
| 12021s | included thought that they would have uh |
| 12023s | bought in or paid enough into the main |
| 12025s | event |
| 12027s | um but you know they're absolutely on a |
| 12029s | tear in this qualification bracket and |
| 12032s | dismantling initiative uh very |
| 12035s | decisively and showing why they're the |
| 12038s | tournament Mainstay that they've been |
| 12039s | essentially forever |
| 12043s | yeah really strong showing as they win |
| 12045s | the match off a boundary from the vexer |
| 12047s | taking the mjd to glory and that's all |
| 12050s | for this one we'll turn it back to the |
| 12052s | desk before we move on to all hell and |
| 12055s | all versus we Farm blob |
| 12080s | did it |
| 12088s | again |
| 12110s | foreign |
| 12141s | sexist they're uh taking the W over the |
| 12147s | initiative uh who in this case not in it |
| 12149s | to win it uh they are more likely in it |
| 12152s | to bin it |
| 12153s | um so interesting parts of discussion uh |
| 12156s | there are many for this one uh zoo I |
| 12159s | wanted to ask you first |
| 12160s | um we saw their Exodus brought two |
| 12162s | stealth bombers and they were just left |
| 12165s | unmolested the entire match even though |
| 12169s | um the inner team had a couple of big |
| 12170s | ships which would be getting absolutely |
| 12172s | pounded by those bombers uh why didn't |
| 12175s | they try and remove those bombers do you |
| 12177s | think |
| 12180s | um bombers have in a sense really been |
| 12182s | seen they're kind of a gloss Cannon |
| 12185s | um so they could have honestly just |
| 12187s | underestimated the potential these bring |
| 12189s | because what a lot of people in the |
| 12191s | Torpedoes from Super far away Torpedoes |
| 12193s | have a really slow flight so you're |
| 12195s | sitting there a minute into the match |
| 12197s | going farmers are good why should we |
| 12199s | care about them and then the damage just |
| 12202s | keeps coming in and that by that time |
| 12204s | your plan might have changed you might |
| 12206s | not have ships free people might have |
| 12207s | been you know tackled up already so no |
| 12210s | one might be free to engage |
| 12211s | um and I think uh bombers also start |
| 12213s | shining a lot more in this form right |
| 12215s | now where damps uh and odor stamps come |
| 12218s | into play so the combination of the |
| 12220s | armor jacket or being able to use its |
| 12221s | mids for damps um armors would be able |
| 12224s | to use their mids for camps so these |
| 12226s | armors can just set a super long range |
| 12229s | take advantage of that and just play a |
| 12230s | range game pretty much out blocking the |
| 12233s | enemy and just putting that steady |
| 12234s | stream of damage onto a full application |
| 12236s | battleships |
| 12238s | yeah it's just like the worst possible |
| 12240s | thing to see when you're in a comp that |
| 12243s | relies on heavy battleships and you |
| 12245s | don't really have much that can deal |
| 12247s | with bombers you're just gonna have to |
| 12248s | sit there and take it in the face all |
| 12250s | day unless you can do something about |
| 12252s | them in this case and it |
| 12254s | um seem to be inexperienced facing |
| 12256s | bombers uh perhaps that's a throwback to |
| 12258s | take you I'm not really sure uh jintan |
| 12261s | I'm in Volta so my math isn't entirely |
| 12263s | great but by my calculations a deacon |
| 12266s | and Natalia is 10 points and an auger is |
| 12270s | nine points but of course the over only |
| 12272s | gets tech one resists what do you think |
| 12274s | about that choice there from Exodus |
| 12276s | yeah T1 Logistics are a really |
| 12279s | interesting choice they're very very |
| 12281s | hard to keep alive you're effectively |
| 12282s | you know some in a lot of these fights |
| 12285s | you will see your Logistics go down |
| 12286s | towards the mid game once tackle gets |
| 12289s | into position on them uh but that is |
| 12291s | even more the case with the T1 Logistics |
| 12293s | you need to spend a lot of effort just |
| 12295s | to keep them alive for three four |
| 12297s | minutes where they can have their effect |
| 12299s | whereas the logistics frigates you have |
| 12302s | to spend two pilots on them so your |
| 12304s | you're kind of impacting the rest of how |
| 12306s | your team's constructed if you fit them |
| 12308s | with 10mm those things can be really |
| 12310s | really hard to kill unless you have a |
| 12312s | composition that's uh designed to deal |
| 12314s | with them I said Exodus kind of dealt |
| 12317s | with the |
| 12319s | um the downsides of bringing a T1 |
| 12320s | Logistics really effectively in that |
| 12322s | match uh they had so many damps |
| 12325s | um from their damp door and also the |
| 12327s | pontifex and the Magus had dams fit |
| 12330s | which is something that's a little more |
| 12331s | unusual uh they were able to stop the |
| 12333s | typhoon fully issues uh the kid Lynch |
| 12336s | pin of what we often called a kingslayer |
| 12338s | composition which relies on the |
| 12339s | projection application of Rapid heavy |
| 12341s | missiles to just reach across the grid |
| 12343s | and kill our Logistics quickly they |
| 12346s | couldn't lock those that augura and |
| 12348s | because of that they weren't able to do |
| 12350s | what they wanted and it let that augural |
| 12352s | live well into the game and just keep |
| 12354s | that Armageddon which ended up being |
| 12356s | their backup primary alive until you |
| 12359s | know until it was practically too late |
| 12361s | for initiative to regain the advantage |
| 12363s | of that |
| 12365s | pretty sold execution grafting and a |
| 12368s | whole our own well put together a comp |
| 12370s | there by Exodus um I think it was |
| 12373s | mentioned by the casters that many of us |
| 12375s | favor Exodus is one of the strongest |
| 12377s | teams in these particular feeder |
| 12379s | brackets along with Odin's call both |
| 12382s | teams with a lot of historic good |
| 12385s | success in Alliance room and Odin's |
| 12387s | being the newer one of those two of |
| 12389s | course uh but in recent years they've |
| 12391s | been doing some pretty cool things and |
| 12392s | we will see them in about 20 40 minutes |
| 12395s | or so from now |
| 12396s | um but before that we have at least two |
| 12399s | more matches and the next one is going |
| 12401s | to be all hill now versus wheat form |
| 12403s | blob so we're back to the a we |
| 12405s | form that sorry we hill now we're the |
| 12408s | first Gods all our hill now where the |
| 12411s | first team we saw today so many team |
| 12414s | names |
| 12415s | um and they won against the network so |
| 12416s | they're currently sitting pretty in a |
| 12418s | one and all position in their uh their |
| 12422s | tribal bracket so if they can win now |
| 12423s | and go two and oh they're in a very |
| 12426s | strong position to guarantee themselves |
| 12428s | entry into the alliance tournament we |
| 12431s | form blob this is their first match of |
| 12432s | the day so they're looking to come out |
| 12434s | strong and and try and take that first |
| 12436s | Victory and also critically stop a hill |
| 12439s | now going to an O the bands here on |
| 12442s | screen right now balgarh Burgess and |
| 12444s | Vindicator from ahil now so they don't |
| 12447s | want to see big heavy battleships they |
| 12448s | don't want to see The Vindicator aka the |
| 12450s | windicator and they really don't want to |
| 12452s | see those uh potentially long-ranged |
| 12454s | webs uh we form blob also don't want to |
| 12456s | see the bar guest uh they don't want to |
| 12458s | see an EOS and they don't see a |
| 12459s | Nighthawk interesting sets of bands for |
| 12462s | them uh these Pilots of course probably |
| 12464s | going to be |
| 12465s | um somewhat fatigued already because |
| 12468s | they'll be have to be defending from uh |
| 12470s | fraternity Invasion I believe that's why |
| 12472s | mystical might left us to go uh and |
| 12474s | invade the uh the space of Reform blob |
| 12478s | on TQ |
| 12480s | so gentan anything jump out of you in |
| 12483s | these bands uh the EOS band for example |
| 12485s | seen quite a few of them what's your |
| 12486s | thoughts there |
| 12488s | yeah as I said the EOS is just the the |
| 12490s | EOS is the linchpin of the Drone kite |
| 12493s | comp and I think what we see from the |
| 12495s | other two bands as well is that we form |
| 12497s | blob don't want to deal with something |
| 12499s | that can project from range we normally |
| 12501s | associate the Nighthawk more with the |
| 12503s | ham Rush uh you know uh sort of |
| 12506s | compositions where you're trying to get |
| 12507s | in and do a lot of damage but it it |
| 12509s | wouldn't fit with heavy missiles it can |
| 12510s | do the kite roll just as effectively it |
| 12513s | tends to be the linchpin of some of |
| 12514s | their heavy missile kite comps that |
| 12516s | we've seen be thrown around |
| 12521s | awesome thank you and |
| 12523s | um zoo in terms of the format today |
| 12526s | um |
| 12527s | now are going to want to go up to no |
| 12529s | obviously |
| 12530s | um but how critical is it like are they |
| 12533s | going to be able to just relax after |
| 12534s | this or does everyone still matter going |
| 12537s | forward |
| 12539s | um well wins always matter |
| 12541s | um because another team I'm trying to |
| 12544s | think no other team can also no they |
| 12546s | come on it's only one team I think two |
| 12548s | owner bracket now trying to do some |
| 12549s | Volta Maps here it's not working out but |
| 12552s | I don't think it's ever a good idea to |
| 12553s | rest on your laurels in an at format |
| 12555s | especially theaters |
| 12557s | um it doesn't matter also um if you win |
| 12560s | sometimes it matters how good you win so |
| 12562s | win win hard and keep winning is the |
| 12565s | basic principle I'd say if you want to |
| 12567s | get a highest placement as possible |
| 12569s | I I will note that the um the person who |
| 12572s | wins the group doesn't automatically |
| 12574s | Advance there's actually a playoffs that |
| 12576s | will be taking place next Saturday |
| 12579s | um uh so this is effectively just a |
| 12581s | seeding unless you are the last in your |
| 12582s | group in which case it's good night |
| 12584s | goodbye |
| 12587s | exactly well put so still plenty to play |
| 12589s | for |
| 12591s | um eye on that versus we form blobs |
| 12593s | coming up pretty much right now so let's |
| 12595s | go to the arena as I see both teams are |
| 12597s | in local and we can let the casters talk |
| 12599s | a little bit about what they see on grid |
| 12601s | so let's hand it over to Alec and |
| 12603s | Blackboard part |
| 12609s | welcome back to the alliance tournament |
| 12612s | 18 trials where we have two teams that |
| 12614s | have decided to throw caution to the |
| 12616s | wind and warp in at zero with their |
| 12618s | cores ahelna bringing a sleptner |
| 12621s | claymore Gila rush and we form blob |
| 12625s | thinking that they might have an idea |
| 12627s | and brings a armor version of what we've |
| 12629s | seen a couple times already today uh |
| 12630s | Alex how are we thinking this is gonna |
| 12632s | go |
| 12634s | I am thinking this is going to be a |
| 12635s | short match one way or the other |
| 12637s | waveform blob with two Tempo sleet |
| 12639s | issues an Armageddon OG Navy |
| 12641s | two command destroyers two deacons right |
| 12645s | interesting choice there and then |
| 12647s | Vengeance Mauler they're definitely |
| 12649s | leaning more into the tank |
| 12651s | I think waveform blob has the slight |
| 12653s | Edge but we are gonna find out very fast |
| 12656s | as both teams are on top of each other |
| 12659s | yeah I uh I have noticed the twitch chat |
| 12662s | does in fact think that this is a |
| 12663s | completely even match um I don't think |
| 12666s | that's quite as true as it could be but |
| 12668s | you know we're gonna see how this goes |
| 12670s | uh the Sila is rapid light fit which is |
| 12672s | a little bit different so he's going to |
| 12673s | be able to apply some damage from far |
| 12674s | away but the big deal like you said |
| 12676s | quick match the sleptner's and the ham |
| 12679s | Claymore are sitting at zero on top of |
| 12681s | the Tempest Fleet issues in the |
| 12682s | Armageddon so uh there's not going to be |
| 12685s | really that much screening I'm wondering |
| 12686s | if anyone's going to burn straight away |
| 12687s | or if this is just going to be one of |
| 12688s | those three minute Giga brawls |
| 12692s | uh I hard to say now the Gila is very |
| 12695s | far away the broadsword also came in |
| 12697s | slightly at range it looks like the uh |
| 12700s | not is |
| 12702s | they've got a bit more of their team |
| 12704s | spread out I think that'll be easier for |
| 12706s | them to control the range with their |
| 12707s | backline we form blob is just about all |
| 12710s | in except for one of their deacons which |
| 12713s | may have come into the wrong range |
| 12716s | oh I mean there's the links it might be |
| 12717s | the ultimate tactical or it could be the |
| 12719s | ultimate tactic here but uh Ohio Mel is |
| 12722s | immediately burning their back line |
| 12723s | straight towards that Deacon that is at |
| 12725s | the wrong range which is a little bit |
| 12726s | weird it looks like he's gonna get |
| 12727s | tackled by the sky breaker here dress is |
| 12729s | already taking massive amounts of damage |
| 12730s | so it does appear that ahelm knot is |
| 12732s | going after the blob Logistics at least |
| 12735s | with some amount of damage meanwhile |
| 12736s | their Tempest is already dropping quite |
| 12737s | low with a massive amount of damage from |
| 12739s | the sort of mimitar ham Rush coming from |
| 12741s | Ohio now |
| 12743s | and that tackle is actually really huge |
| 12746s | that's going to pin the Deacon out of |
| 12747s | position it's going to really limit his |
| 12750s | amount ability to do reps armor wraps |
| 12752s | rather short range compared to Shield |
| 12754s | which have very long fall off so he's |
| 12756s | really in trouble neither of them are |
| 12758s | going to be able to support this Tempest |
| 12760s | Fleet issue which is dipping into |
| 12761s | one-third armor both the deacons are |
| 12763s | also taking fire as they're about to |
| 12765s | lose a Claymore on the oh hell no side |
| 12769s | yeah disclaimer does drop before the |
| 12771s | Tempest Fleet issue drops but I think |
| 12773s | that the Tempest Fleet issue is also |
| 12774s | going to go down you did make a very |
| 12776s | good point we formed blobs deacons are |
| 12778s | actually tackled outside of their |
| 12779s | optimal range on that Tempest Fleet so |
| 12781s | they're not able to apply enough reps |
| 12783s | and they are also being soloed down by |
| 12785s | that Sipple in the jackpot which is |
| 12787s | pretty strong The Tempest Fleet does go |
| 12788s | down and it looks like the Deacon of uh |
| 12790s | dryas is probably going to drop as well |
| 12793s | I have to say overall I think this is |
| 12796s | favorable for we form blob uh they |
| 12799s | traded a command ship for a tempest The |
| 12801s | Tempest did last a while the uh sleffner |
| 12804s | that's currently Under Fire is burning |
| 12806s | through its ancillary Shield booster |
| 12807s | charges at a rather rapid rate they will |
| 12810s | lose this Deacon but if it's already out |
| 12812s | of position it's not adding a lot of |
| 12814s | value this is really going to come down |
| 12815s | to a DPS race between the command ships |
| 12818s | and the battleships |
| 12821s | burn in |
| 12823s | yeah they are and the deacons were able |
| 12824s | to burn in kind of at the last minute I |
| 12826s | do believe they might be uh tenement |
| 12827s | afterburner fit but you know you're |
| 12830s | right is that the battleships are it's |
| 12832s | it's kind of even even here but you know |
| 12834s | again still has their Logistics where |
| 12837s | the second Deacon has now dropped from |
| 12839s | we form blob |
| 12841s | now the Tempest do have a bit of local |
| 12843s | on them so it's not the end of their |
| 12846s | world meanwhile oh the the ASB is run |
| 12850s | out on etria dropping very rapidly half |
| 12853s | structures trying to claw back some |
| 12855s | Shield but it's just not happening |
| 12860s | oh this is a race |
| 12863s | and there it goes Tempest Fleet is still |
| 12865s | alive now the DPS should slow on it |
| 12867s | considerably now but can it pull back |
| 12869s | any armor looking like no but it's |
| 12872s | trying |
| 12873s | there's a very very small amount of |
| 12875s | self-rep you know one last gas before it |
| 12877s | does drop and uh you know that that is |
| 12879s | most of the DPS down this Armageddon |
| 12881s | does actually have two lasers on it |
| 12883s | which is a little bit weird but the |
| 12885s | links go down from we form blob and you |
| 12887s | know so far you free to your entire top |
| 12888s | end and your logistics for a sleptner to |
| 12890s | Claymore which is not a position you |
| 12892s | ever want to be in the alliance |
| 12893s | tournament |
| 12895s | yeah I think they would really love to |
| 12897s | have had a little bit of time to chew on |
| 12899s | this last remaining sleffner just the |
| 12901s | sleffner versus the get and Mauler OG |
| 12903s | Navy it will probably able to tank this |
| 12905s | comfortably |
| 12906s | that battle ended on a knife's edge |
| 12909s | there about which of these two top ends |
| 12911s | was going to win the race and |
| 12913s | unfortunately uh not only did we form |
| 12917s | blob lose that race but in the process |
| 12918s | they lost their entire bottom half of |
| 12920s | their team |
| 12922s | yeah I think we've uh we saw it earlier |
| 12924s | about the the warping in at zero but I |
| 12926s | believe a mystical Mite said that |
| 12928s | warping at zero is almost never a good |
| 12930s | idea and we're kind of seeing why uh |
| 12932s | they did not have enough time we from |
| 12934s | Bob didn't have enough time to screen |
| 12935s | any of those tackle ships which were |
| 12937s | able to do a lot of pressure to the |
| 12938s | beacons here and you know the soccer |
| 12940s | Navy goes down at this point all |
| 12941s | knowledge is cleaning up they did lose a |
| 12943s | little bit of ships but I think that |
| 12945s | they you know we from Bob had to take |
| 12947s | down at least one more DPS to have any |
| 12949s | shot here |
| 12951s | yeah absolutely and to all hell not as |
| 12954s | credit they did disperse their DPS |
| 12956s | across four or five ships rather than |
| 12958s | concentrating it in three so that was |
| 12960s | their that was their strategic decision |
| 12963s | it's paid off for them here I think if |
| 12966s | those deacons had started off a little |
| 12968s | bit closer into the fight and could have |
| 12969s | better supported each other and that |
| 12971s | initial Tempest you've got to wonder if |
| 12973s | this fight would have played out very |
| 12975s | differently |
| 12977s | yeah having having this fight start with |
| 12980s | them having the full amount of DPS |
| 12981s | applied to your uh top end and them not |
| 12984s | having to even bother like you know you |
| 12986s | can't even tackle them you can't screen |
| 12987s | whatsoever like you know just future |
| 12990s | reference for teams that are going to be |
| 12991s | uh continue to compete working at zero |
| 12993s | is probably never a good idea |
| 12996s | ever even if you're a rush team but that |
| 12998s | being said both teams did warp at zero |
| 12999s | oh hell not does end up taking this |
| 13001s | they're kind of just picking away at the |
| 13003s | schedule what do you think about a laser |
| 13004s | get it |
| 13006s | I think it's a very curious Choice |
| 13009s | um you know the Armageddon gets its |
| 13010s | bonuses to neutral irises and drones but |
| 13012s | it does have a pretty diverse high slot |
| 13016s | turret hard point so you could do |
| 13018s | turrets you could do missiles most |
| 13020s | people would think to do missiles |
| 13022s | because it doesn't take capacitors you |
| 13023s | can put that capacitor toward the newts |
| 13026s | using a laser which is the most cap |
| 13029s | intensive turret that's questionable |
| 13034s | well uh I don't think that was why they |
| 13036s | lost but it definitely wasn't the |
| 13037s | smartest idea ever matches over in |
| 13040s | slightly longer than five minutes and we |
| 13041s | are going to send that back to the desk |
| 13043s | so they can take a good look at this and |
| 13044s | tell you all about it |
| 13056s | oh |
| 13060s | us |
| 13090s | there are a lot of fun dice games but |
| 13092s | rolling the number you need to win is |
| 13094s | pure luck or is it |
| 13104s | oh |
| 13106s | welcome back ladies and gentlemen uh to |
| 13109s | that matchup where we form blob uh |
| 13112s | formed a blob of molten scrap metal uh |
| 13115s | Under The Guns of a hill now taking the |
| 13119s | W there uh jintan interesting matchup uh |
| 13123s | everyone kind of walking in all over the |
| 13125s | place mostly at zero it was discussed a |
| 13128s | bit during the match about how that's |
| 13129s | generally considered not an optimal |
| 13132s | strategy |
| 13133s | um but what could these teams have done |
| 13135s | differently I think you said that you |
| 13136s | thought that um The Blob comp and setup |
| 13139s | was actually the superior comp there |
| 13145s | I cannot hear you gentan |
| 13148s | left myself muted a classic mistake |
| 13150s | there uh but no I think we form blob had |
| 13153s | the comp to win that match |
| 13155s | um they had a lot of really tanky |
| 13157s | Cruisers in the augura Navy issue and |
| 13159s | the Mala that should have been able to |
| 13161s | disrupt the rush as you know in theory |
| 13165s | um their opponents are Helena were |
| 13167s | coming in and they just because of the |
| 13169s | way they walked in they weren't able to |
| 13170s | affect that what they should have been |
| 13172s | you know in an armor control comp you |
| 13174s | want to spread your opponents out and |
| 13176s | then concentrate your force of your |
| 13178s | armaged and your bowel gone whatever |
| 13179s | ship like that you have available that's |
| 13181s | going to just turn something off and |
| 13183s | make sure it dies no matter how little |
| 13185s | DPS you're really applying to it |
| 13187s | um and they weren't able to do that |
| 13189s | because they just came in at zero they |
| 13191s | must have been expecting a kite comp or |
| 13193s | something like that where they needed uh |
| 13196s | those Armageddon newts to apply from uh |
| 13198s | zero zero on the clock but you know |
| 13201s | we're gonna we're gonna talk that to |
| 13204s | death if we talk any more about how they |
| 13205s | shouldn't have walked to zero |
| 13208s | yeah |
| 13209s | um just in terms of like other ranges |
| 13211s | obviously zero is a is a great range uh |
| 13214s | to be if you're a logistic ship and |
| 13216s | that's where you want to you know rep |
| 13217s | your palsy or you're definitely going to |
| 13218s | be out of range |
| 13220s | um but Logistics frigates uh don't have |
| 13222s | the same kind of range as their Tech to |
| 13225s | Cruiser counterparts Zoo what's the kind |
| 13227s | of the main problems with those |
| 13229s | so Logistics frigates |
| 13232s | um so they use small reps so it doesn't |
| 13234s | matter if they have the bonuses to the |
| 13236s | repair optimon fall off obviously it |
| 13238s | still helps but they don't really have |
| 13241s | that much numbers to work with initially |
| 13243s | anyway so even though they're bonus they |
| 13245s | don't get bonus that much obviously |
| 13246s | Shield |
| 13247s | um has the more fall off armor has a |
| 13249s | better optimal but you can kind of say |
| 13251s | you freakology wants to be normally |
| 13253s | around at 12 15 kilometer range and they |
| 13256s | can comfortably still wrap something at |
| 13258s | 30 kilometers I'd say |
| 13260s | but after that it starts getting really |
| 13261s | really dice here really quickly |
| 13263s | especially for the armor so beacons you |
| 13265s | kind of want to like you want to be |
| 13267s | telling your boys hey you're getting out |
| 13269s | of range quite quickly |
| 13270s | um so another thing we saw there at the |
| 13272s | start is I think those deacons were |
| 13274s | having an uphill battle right off the |
| 13276s | bat |
| 13277s | um when you warp it in I know we're kind |
| 13278s | of getting back to warpings here but you |
| 13280s | want to set yourself up when you want to |
| 13282s | set yourself up or you can start |
| 13283s | focusing on the job you want |
| 13286s | um and unfortunately the things those |
| 13288s | deacons have looked like we're focusing |
| 13289s | on first is I need to get back to my |
| 13290s | frame I need to get make sure I'm in his |
| 13292s | range because if he dies I die and you |
| 13295s | know they had to suddenly start fighting |
| 13297s | their own little battle for positioning |
| 13298s | there the other pressure was being |
| 13299s | applied everywhere else so just that the |
| 13301s | small disruption in the war pins already |
| 13303s | kind of like put these deacons in a |
| 13306s | separate kind of mindset |
| 13307s | um I don't want to say tunnel vision |
| 13309s | because Logistics Pilots normally have a |
| 13310s | lot more reference I'd say like you know |
| 13312s | they knew what was their priority and |
| 13314s | unfortunate that priority wasn't really |
| 13315s | coinciding with maybe what was happening |
| 13317s | with the rest of the match so |
| 13318s | positioning uh for freak lodgy is |
| 13321s | exceptionally important because you have |
| 13323s | to be thinking for two people at the |
| 13324s | same time all the time |
| 13327s | yeah having good Logistics ship pilots |
| 13330s | in your team in Alliance tournament or |
| 13332s | any tournament really in Eve is such an |
| 13335s | important thing like they are they're |
| 13337s | worth their weight in gold if you have |
| 13339s | someone who's able to position |
| 13340s | themselves and their ship well while |
| 13342s | also keeping an eye on the positioning |
| 13344s | of the rest of the team while also |
| 13346s | keeping an eye on the positioning of the |
| 13347s | enemy team while also managing local |
| 13350s | tank modules remote calling for drones |
| 13352s | it can just be a huge amount of work and |
| 13354s | uh there's a couple of Pilots out there |
| 13356s | who are just really really good at it |
| 13358s | Planet sex reload uh for example from |
| 13361s | the Volta team uh fantastic Logistics |
| 13363s | Pilots as a Starfleet Commander uh |
| 13365s | people like General Hungary from the |
| 13367s | tuskers a couple of the other ones whose |
| 13369s | name's Escape me uh jintan speaking of |
| 13372s | teams and organizing teams I want to go |
| 13374s | back to that a little bit so you've been |
| 13376s | spending a bit of time with the |
| 13377s | foxhallers team uh kind of like running |
| 13379s | practices and just kind of generally |
| 13382s | being pathogen tan to the team what kind |
| 13386s | of workload is involved now like how |
| 13388s | would someone who wants to start a team |
| 13390s | and maybe from next year or a small |
| 13391s | tournament get started with this |
| 13394s | um it depends what your uh what your |
| 13396s | aims are like if you're trying to be a |
| 13397s | top tier Alliance tournament team you're |
| 13399s | normally going to be screaming two to |
| 13400s | three times a week |
| 13402s | um it depends how long for depends on |
| 13404s | how long uh you have the tournament |
| 13406s | announced for most of these teams are |
| 13408s | probably only been screaming for about a |
| 13409s | month and a half which is how long the |
| 13411s | format's been announced although I know |
| 13413s | some teams had actually started to scrim |
| 13415s | kind of before that in anticipation of |
| 13416s | the announcement uh and then all of |
| 13419s | their Theory crafting was kind of thrown |
| 13420s | out of whack when the new rule changes |
| 13422s | were announced |
| 13424s | um but what you're generally looking to |
| 13426s | do as a captain is you're also trying to |
| 13429s | help teach people so not every not every |
| 13433s | practice has to be hey we're going to go |
| 13435s | 10 Man versus ten man we're gonna just |
| 13437s | play out eight matches sometimes you can |
| 13439s | play some you can do some drills you can |
| 13441s | say okay we've got a logistics pilot |
| 13443s | we've got a couple of tackle Pilots |
| 13445s | we've got a couple of other tackle |
| 13446s | Pilots you guys are going to try and you |
| 13448s | know one team is going to try and defend |
| 13450s | the logistics one team's gonna try and |
| 13452s | attack the logistics and if you get a |
| 13453s | tackle on the logistics your little team |
| 13455s | wins or if you successfully defend it |
| 13458s | for a certain amount of time the |
| 13459s | defending team wins so you can sort of |
| 13462s | make things work if you've only got four |
| 13464s | or five people online at a certain time |
| 13465s | it's just uh generally less effective |
| 13469s | than getting a 10v10 in because |
| 13471s | communication ends up being one of the |
| 13473s | key aspects you have to learn in an |
| 13476s | alliance tournament match because it is |
| 13478s | so different to Tranquility uh a lot of |
| 13480s | the time you know you if you're if |
| 13482s | you're used to flying in big fleets |
| 13483s | you'll hear you know die quietly and |
| 13486s | lovely phrases like that that we use to |
| 13490s | indicate that people should just you |
| 13492s | know get on with things do what you're |
| 13493s | told and then leave the decisions up to |
| 13495s | your Fleet commanders and you know comms |
| 13498s | open for your Scouts and other people |
| 13499s | who are gonna |
| 13500s | inform you if the Strategic situation is |
| 13503s | changing but in the 80s all purely about |
| 13506s | tactics so communicating absolutely |
| 13508s | everything that's important is and doing |
| 13511s | it in a concise way that's easily |
| 13513s | understandable so that the decisions |
| 13515s | being made can be changed on the dot |
| 13517s | that's what ends up being in key in an |
| 13520s | at |
| 13521s | uh in terms of cut time commitment again |
| 13523s | depends on what what uh how competitive |
| 13525s | you want to be |
| 13527s | yeah if you have a couple of |
| 13529s | um really really good communicators that |
| 13531s | can really make a huge difference a good |
| 13533s | example is uh let's say you have a |
| 13534s | pretty solid Logistics pilot he can't |
| 13536s | predict who the enemy is going to shoot |
| 13538s | but if his um DPS Pilots are calling out |
| 13541s | I'm being yellow boxed by everyone and |
| 13543s | he knows to perhaps get ready to swap |
| 13545s | his reps across and that little bit of |
| 13546s | communication I mean those reps land you |
| 13549s | know three four five seconds faster than |
| 13551s | without it and that can be a huge huge |
| 13553s | difference especially against the comp |
| 13554s | that is uh like kingslayer designed to |
| 13557s | just blast through people as quickly as |
| 13559s | possible |
| 13560s | um those are all things that you can |
| 13562s | practice either just by doing those |
| 13564s | little drills that you mentioned gentan |
| 13565s | or even just like flying around on TQ as |
| 13567s | a group like a lot of |
| 13569s | um teams especially in bigger alliances |
| 13571s | will do almost like 80 training rooms |
| 13574s | where they'll all fly together in sort |
| 13575s | of like Haiti Nano ships around roaming |
| 13578s | looking for content and just sort of |
| 13579s | practice flying understanding how each |
| 13581s | person communicates with each other and |
| 13583s | generally building up that team Rapport |
| 13585s | zoo let's let's look forward to our next |
| 13589s | match up here so we just had all hail |
| 13591s | now go 2-0 versus uh we form blob of |
| 13593s | rather in their division by beating we |
| 13595s | form blob and we're going to go forward |
| 13597s | to Prismatic Legion so this is Tucker B |
| 13600s | we're looking at now and they're going |
| 13601s | up against uh shut up I'm trying so both |
| 13603s | of these teams already played today |
| 13605s | Prismatic Legion uh beat shut up I'm |
| 13608s | trying already so they are 1-0 in this |
| 13611s | particular matchup now they are actually |
| 13613s | playing as a best of three because of |
| 13615s | the um uh the teams that have dropped |
| 13619s | out of the bracket themself they're in |
| 13621s | one of the smaller tribes so they don't |
| 13624s | actually have to play everyone else they |
| 13626s | just have to play each other as the best |
| 13627s | of three so good opportunity here for a |
| 13629s | shot up I'm trying to try and take a |
| 13630s | match back and take it to one and all |
| 13632s | this Varga ban Zoo |
| 13634s | I don't understand this but then sure if |
| 13636s | I'm trying also buying a Golem enlighten |
| 13639s | me here |
| 13641s | Marauders are apparently scary they say |
| 13643s | but unfortunately we have not allowed |
| 13645s | the Bastion module to come back |
| 13647s | um but the Varga I think we saw it I saw |
| 13650s | a lovely I think double Varga comp in |
| 13652s | Anger games I think uh there were some |
| 13655s | scary stuff there I absolutely love |
| 13656s | seeing that com |
| 13658s | uh Margaret absolutely having I think |
| 13660s | most of the time uh it has a ridiculous |
| 13662s | partnership that damage part is |
| 13663s | obviously I have the utility highs uh |
| 13666s | the new smart bombs always have |
| 13668s | effective to bring all your utility you |
| 13670s | can to an engagement make sure you can |
| 13673s | take comers |
| 13674s | um and the Golem known for its |
| 13677s | ridiculous paintballs |
| 13678s | so most of the time when you're bringing |
| 13680s | some missile ships you normally will |
| 13682s | have a ship dedicated on the side which |
| 13683s | is going to be doing the painting for |
| 13685s | you a Golem is an all-inclusive package |
| 13688s | it can apply the damage and it can make |
| 13689s | sure that the damage is applying uh we |
| 13692s | can say it like that |
| 13693s | but |
| 13694s | um just are expensive they can't use the |
| 13697s | Bastion module |
| 13698s | um so it's interesting to see them band |
| 13701s | here because I don't know maybe this the |
| 13703s | teams are just getting to know each |
| 13704s | other because of this sfd format it's |
| 13707s | more worthwhile to investigate the team |
| 13710s | you'll be fighting against I'd say it |
| 13712s | might be that and this might be a scrim |
| 13714s | bubble we're seeing against but I will |
| 13716s | say seeing a double murder band in the |
| 13719s | sense of each team Banning an individual |
| 13720s | order is quite interesting maybe not the |
| 13724s | best but the teams sometimes do know |
| 13726s | better than us |
| 13729s | awesome awesome |
| 13731s | um I'm looking forward to seeing if uh |
| 13733s | shut up I'm trying can go 2-1-1 on the |
| 13736s | series and push it to the final match in |
| 13737s | the best of three uh obviously Prismatic |
| 13739s | Legion would rather than not happen and |
| 13741s | rather they go to and know and put |
| 13742s | themselves in a very solid position to |
| 13744s | go forward |
| 13746s | um and teams landing on the fields now |
| 13748s | looks like a couple of interesting ships |
| 13749s | to be sure uh no uh no no vargers no |
| 13755s | Golems because they've both been banned |
| 13757s | I would put money on the EOS and the |
| 13760s | balgar and being our most banned ships |
| 13762s | thus far uh gentana I've asked you about |
| 13764s | the other a couple of times and we've |
| 13765s | heard about spoken about the balgarh |
| 13768s | um are they really that powerful that |
| 13769s | they are ban or bring |
| 13773s | I think it's less that they are that |
| 13775s | powerful and more that they are ships |
| 13777s | which you can ban individually to take |
| 13780s | out a com |
| 13781s | um we've seen armor control be brought |
| 13784s | with uh two Tempest Fleet issues quite |
| 13786s | regularly now uh so it doesn't look like |
| 13788s | that's going to be as effective as maybe |
| 13789s | some teams think it is but algons really |
| 13792s | do make uh armor control so much more |
| 13795s | terrifying it basically presents a you |
| 13797s | know 30 40 kilometer window where you |
| 13799s | can't be inside it or you will die uh |
| 13802s | just due to the power of the webs and |
| 13803s | the nudes |
| 13805s | um and the EOS as I've said it's the |
| 13806s | linchpin of the Drone kite comps so by |
| 13808s | Banning those two ships you take those |
| 13810s | two comps off the table you limit what |
| 13812s | your opponents can bring feasibly and it |
| 13814s | allows you to think a bit more about |
| 13816s | okay I can bring these comps that would |
| 13818s | otherwise be counted by those two |
| 13820s | columns which is you know typically |
| 13822s | mimitar rush and a few other things that |
| 13824s | we've seen quite prevalently |
| 13826s | yeah as we're about to go to the match |
| 13829s | um I just wanted to let you people out |
| 13830s | there on Twitter know if you've never |
| 13832s | played the match yourself |
| 13833s | um the way it works is you're teleported |
| 13835s | from station into system way off D scan |
| 13837s | from the other team you can't move you |
| 13839s | can't warp you're then told by the uh |
| 13842s | the GMS to uh warp to the arena at a |
| 13845s | range of your choice between 0 and 50. |
| 13849s | um after you're all in warp it's locked |
| 13850s | again and you kept moving until the |
| 13852s | match starts if you were up at another |
| 13853s | range or somewhere else for example the |
| 13856s | Sun and then you are teleported by the |
| 13859s | GM to zero whether you like it or not |
| 13862s | and uh that has just happened by one of |
| 13864s | the teams here |
| 13866s | shut up I'm trying try to walk to the |
| 13868s | arena work to the Sun and got moved to |
| 13872s | zero so with that let's hand over to the |
| 13874s | match uh with fear and moderator |
| 13882s | welcome back to the arena I'm fear |
| 13883s | that's moderator and we have the second |
| 13886s | match of a bo3 between Prismatic |
| 13889s | religion and shut up I'm trying |
| 13890s | Prismatic Legion bringing uh a what |
| 13894s | appears to be an rhml comp with |
| 13896s | rattlesnake and Scorpion uh if you'll |
| 13899s | introduce what shut up I'm trying is |
| 13901s | bringing |
| 13903s | so shut up I'm trying earlier in the day |
| 13907s | didn't bring a full team of and |
| 13911s | players they once again only have seven |
| 13913s | I have to wonder if they even have |
| 13916s | um 10 people on their roster |
| 13918s | um it's interesting we would see a |
| 13920s | Vindicator uh brought with a Scimitar |
| 13923s | indicator being you know almost always |
| 13925s | an armored battleship |
| 13927s | and as the desk was saying he warped to |
| 13930s | the arena at zero or walk to the Sun |
| 13933s | instead of the Arena so this will be |
| 13936s | interesting he's the first primary makes |
| 13938s | a lot of sense armor ship in a shield |
| 13940s | comp I'm not going to be tanked well |
| 13942s | unless this is somehow full |
| 13946s | um |
| 13947s | yeah and I see he's actually not taking |
| 13949s | a whole lot of damage through his home |
| 13951s | yeah it means your his armor and his |
| 13953s | Shields died very quickly |
| 13955s | yeah so this is the whole time |
| 13958s | yeah he's gotta get on top of someone |
| 13960s | first though this caracal dies but I |
| 13963s | mean he's so far away from these |
| 13965s | scorpion Navy issues there's keeping on |
| 13966s | kiting the spitball of uh Yvette has |
| 13969s | screened him off in this Vindicator I |
| 13971s | mean he's got no reps on him obviously |
| 13973s | because he's a whole time vendy and he's |
| 13975s | about to go down there's not a whole lot |
| 13977s | more that they can do and once again uh |
| 13980s | not bringing 10 people and uh mixing |
| 13982s | your uh tank types not exactly what you |
| 13985s | want to do uh in the tournament looks |
| 13987s | like Prismatic should be able to just |
| 13988s | run over this one |
| 13990s | yeah and uh it's kind of unfortunate |
| 13992s | that |
| 13993s | um this happened in the same half of a |
| 13996s | bracket with a prismatic and shut up I'm |
| 13998s | trying being the only two teams |
| 14000s | charismatic won their game |
| 14002s | um earlier and now with celendus's |
| 14004s | Barger |
| 14006s | um |
| 14006s | you know does finally drop here it means |
| 14010s | that Prismatic Legion will be 2-0 so |
| 14012s | that's going to mean they will advance |
| 14014s | uh ashborn is taking a good amount of |
| 14017s | damage uh the Scimitar doing what they |
| 14020s | can to keep him up someone bringer on |
| 14022s | top of the mid zero holding him down |
| 14026s | um Osprey Navy issue now taking rapid |
| 14028s | heavy damage from the Scorpion Navy |
| 14031s | issue and rattlesnake |
| 14034s | yeah and these door rabbit have these |
| 14036s | chefs uh on top of the drones that the |
| 14038s | rattlesnake can bring it's just a whole |
| 14039s | lot of damage to deal with uh once again |
| 14042s | this is a shield King killer setup we've |
| 14044s | seen two different varieties uh the |
| 14046s | armor and the shields the armor being a |
| 14048s | little bit more popular but this time |
| 14050s | around the working way uh from that |
| 14052s | Vindicator now uh through the rest of |
| 14055s | the team starting with these Cruisers |
| 14056s | the sauce by Navy tanking up as best as |
| 14058s | he can with his ASB uh and with the |
| 14061s | Scimitar but once that ancillary Shield |
| 14062s | booster is dead uh there's no more in |
| 14065s | the tank for him and he will die |
| 14068s | yeah we see that this fight pool is now |
| 14070s | the primary right now in being held down |
| 14072s | by |
| 14074s | um this Onyx and the Osprey Navy issue |
| 14076s | that he was trying to get tackle on top |
| 14078s | of |
| 14079s | um hugin has scram on top of him he may |
| 14083s | be a primary uh here shortly uh but at |
| 14087s | this point it Almost Doesn't Really |
| 14088s | Matter What Prismatic Legion does any |
| 14091s | application of damage anywhere is going |
| 14094s | to win them the match at this point |
| 14097s | um they've chosen the Scimitar which is |
| 14099s | a goodest call as any as that's going to |
| 14102s | be the logistics we see that drones are |
| 14104s | chasing after him |
| 14106s | um I don't know if the heavy drones from |
| 14108s | the rattlesnake um can even really keep |
| 14111s | up with the microwave thriving Scimitar |
| 14114s | um that said |
| 14117s | the Osprey Navy issue of Prismatic |
| 14121s | Legion is living to win right now as |
| 14124s | he's still being held down by this Onyx |
| 14126s | and being neuted out |
| 14129s | yeah doing as best as he can asriel |
| 14131s | Delta uh you know it's it's one of those |
| 14136s | cases where we'll see both of these |
| 14138s | teams in the playoffs regardless uh |
| 14140s | because there's no third team remember |
| 14142s | the top one gets seated first in their |
| 14144s | playoffs a half goes against second |
| 14146s | place from the other side of the group |
| 14148s | so we will see both these teams in |
| 14149s | playoffs regardless but the top seed of |
| 14152s | them will be Prismatic Legion they lose |
| 14154s | another ship uh they're honest hugin now |
| 14157s | um but once again there's just not a |
| 14158s | whole lot of single scorp Navy can do |
| 14160s | they take down the Osprey Navy but the |
| 14162s | semitar is still alive and both these uh |
| 14165s | rabbit heavy ships are alive uh to take |
| 14167s | out the enemy Logistics as well uh Onyx |
| 14170s | and stormbringer and the Scorpion Navy |
| 14172s | the last ones remaining |
| 14175s | yeah I mean Prismatic Legion that they |
| 14177s | will get on top of their bracket but I |
| 14178s | have to be a little bit worried about |
| 14180s | them |
| 14182s | um you really shouldn't be losing Navy |
| 14184s | Osprey a stabber Fleet issue a swivel |
| 14187s | and a caracal to a seven point |
| 14189s | maybe a seven person composition with a |
| 14192s | kind of a troll pack in the whole tank |
| 14195s | indicator uh may want to tighten that up |
| 14198s | a little bit |
| 14199s | um going up against what will be the |
| 14201s | winner of the other side of the bracket |
| 14203s | um otherwise they're going to be in for |
| 14205s | a world |
| 14208s | yeah that's onyx |
| 14210s | about to go all the way down to zero and |
| 14215s | Chad Chad is mentioning this could |
| 14216s | actually be a multi-boxer for shut up |
| 14219s | I'm trying I'm not actually sure of what |
| 14221s | the story of uh shut up I'm trying is |
| 14223s | but it would make it fun if that was |
| 14224s | actually uh the the case here with uh |
| 14227s | one man doing seven ships |
| 14230s | um either way Prismatic Legion I mean we |
| 14232s | could talk about them on TQ they're kind |
| 14234s | of cool uh one uh earn Alliance |
| 14237s | dedicated to uh lgbtqia people so uh do |
| 14242s | like to see that uh this Onyx is going |
| 14244s | down though |
| 14246s | yeah |
| 14248s | um |
| 14250s | definitely uh proud of the fact that |
| 14252s | they're going to be winning their half |
| 14253s | of the bracket as it's just uh CJ okasi |
| 14257s | just kiting |
| 14258s | um at the very edge of |
| 14261s | their rapid heavy uh range putting |
| 14264s | Target paints getting Target painted |
| 14267s | actually |
| 14269s | um creating paints with the other Navy |
| 14271s | scorpion uh one Navy scorpion though |
| 14273s | does not win against the Navy scorpion |
| 14275s | that rattlesnake and support court here |
| 14277s | the rest of the Prismatic Legion team is |
| 14279s | trying to close distance and get on top |
| 14281s | of him uh the worm |
| 14284s | um trying to close range and get some |
| 14287s | tackle realizing that they're a little |
| 14289s | bit out of the Reps of the rest of the |
| 14292s | team and deciding to pull back before |
| 14294s | they uh get killed |
| 14297s | yeah they they want to keep their points |
| 14299s | uh that said uh that's pretty much all |
| 14303s | they have for this match don't know the |
| 14305s | exact time remaining as I don't have |
| 14306s | fancy UI because once again uh |
| 14309s | Thunderdome is weird like that I believe |
| 14313s | there's a little bit under two minutes |
| 14315s | remaining |
| 14316s | yeah we got about um three and a half |
| 14318s | three and a half minutes here the |
| 14320s | Scorpion Navy issue of CJ okasi is slow |
| 14323s | boating towards a tournament micro jump |
| 14326s | drive unit and trying to see maybe if |
| 14330s | they can hit the Edge of Glory uh that |
| 14332s | would be rather entertaining see how |
| 14334s | much range they can get |
| 14336s | um they're shooting the rapid Heavies |
| 14337s | into the other native scorpion but of |
| 14340s | course uh that will not be breaking with |
| 14342s | zorexia's uh reps on top of them |
| 14346s | um |
| 14347s | now about 10 kilometers off that micro |
| 14349s | drum Drive Unit |
| 14351s | and two and a half minutes remaining in |
| 14354s | this match here the warm prying once |
| 14356s | again possibly to get taco onto CJ |
| 14359s | before they can fall out of here let him |
| 14362s | njd let them mjd let them boundary I |
| 14364s | want to say the Edge of Glory why you |
| 14366s | got to do this why do you gotta why do |
| 14368s | you do you have to remove the |
| 14370s | entertainment value by tapping the |
| 14373s | Scorpion Navy I mean he's blowing the |
| 14375s | mjd right now this form doesn't scram |
| 14376s | does he |
| 14377s | yeah he does he's got the scrim on top |
| 14379s | of him and Rocket shooting so uh no no |
| 14382s | boundary for tjo coffee once uh the rest |
| 14386s | of the team eventually catches up |
| 14390s | um and I'm wondering if there are even |
| 14391s | really |
| 14392s | major propulsion modules on top of uh |
| 14396s | Prismatic Legion they don't seem to be |
| 14397s | going fast okay they're picking up a |
| 14399s | little bit of speed the Scimitar appears |
| 14401s | to be moving at around what you would |
| 14403s | expect with the nmn After Burner not a |
| 14405s | micro warp drive uh the Navy scorpion |
| 14409s | um just picking up a little bit of speed |
| 14411s | okay and now he does he will be let uh |
| 14415s | away and he does pull away so the warm |
| 14417s | let him go and that'll be the end of |
| 14420s | this |
| 14447s | foreign |
| 14486s | foreign |
| 14490s | versus shut up I'm trying |
| 14493s | um and credit to shut up I'm trying |
| 14495s | where it's due they are trying like |
| 14497s | they're on demand clearly and and still |
| 14499s | bringing comps bringing as many points |
| 14501s | as they can and you know giving a a damn |
| 14504s | good try and that's to be honest all you |
| 14507s | can really ask for it could they could |
| 14508s | have easily just forfeited the match and |
| 14510s | left us with 40 minutes of blank space |
| 14512s | but you know they wanted to compete they |
| 14514s | wanted to play and play they did they |
| 14517s | also brought the absolute Chad move of |
| 14519s | the whole tanked Vindicator |
| 14522s | um I would have respected them even more |
| 14524s | if it was |
| 14525s | um polarized of course but uh I've been |
| 14528s | I've been informed reliably that it was |
| 14529s | not a polarized Hull indicator so next |
| 14533s | time |
| 14534s | um jintan let's talk a little bit about |
| 14536s | the rules in the format of Alliance |
| 14538s | tournament 18. so one of the |
| 14542s | um the interesting things is it's |
| 14543s | sponsored by the mimitar Republic which |
| 14546s | means the Minotaur ships are under own |
| 14548s | pointed and everything else has you know |
| 14551s | been rebalanced to whatever it needs to |
| 14552s | be |
| 14553s | um there's a lot of really really good |
| 14555s | Minotaur chips that you can get |
| 14557s | relatively inexpensively I'll come back |
| 14559s | to those but first of all uh Zoo one of |
| 14562s | the rules that has changed is uh you can |
| 14565s | bring four of a particular whole size |
| 14567s | rather than three like last year how is |
| 14570s | that going to change the The Meta do you |
| 14572s | think |
| 14573s | I think by face value when you see that |
| 14576s | first off you you get this kind of cold |
| 14578s | feeling going through like ah four we |
| 14581s | can take four of a whole type we're just |
| 14582s | gonna see very you know someone's gonna |
| 14584s | find a good ship spam it and we're going |
| 14586s | to see very repetitive comps but it's in |
| 14589s | a good uh position to come in in |
| 14591s | combination with that plus one |
| 14592s | duplication rule |
| 14594s | um because now you have in a sense |
| 14598s | um diversity being enforced by that but |
| 14601s | you're actually not really trying to say |
| 14603s | crippled by your choices as much |
| 14606s | um so I I really do like that uh for |
| 14608s | real giving it allows for more diverse |
| 14610s | comments to be shown a lot more you you |
| 14612s | can actually focus more on the things |
| 14614s | you want to focus like if you want to do |
| 14616s | a hacker if you want to do four diamosas |
| 14618s | okay that's you but you could have done |
| 14620s | you know two DMS is two sex |
| 14622s | um you know so if you want to go and |
| 14624s | hacks you can actually properly go into |
| 14625s | hacks if you want to go into battle |
| 14627s | cruiser sure you can't do daddy |
| 14629s | um that's thing but you can actually |
| 14631s | have a proper focus on you know battle |
| 14633s | cruises if you wanted you can somehow do |
| 14635s | four battleships um you can focus more |
| 14637s | on tackle things so it allows you to |
| 14639s | actually focus a lot more on what you |
| 14641s | want to focus uh on what you think is |
| 14643s | the core of your comp but then the plus |
| 14645s | one rule Works quite well in conjunction |
| 14647s | with it you stop that stale meta and to |
| 14650s | stop you abusing and what might be a |
| 14651s | really powerful |
| 14654s | yeah and speaking of uh Shepstone |
| 14656s | actually briefly you mentioned the |
| 14658s | Octodad comp that was a a comp that saw |
| 14660s | a lot of success in I believe Alliance |
| 14662s | tournament 16 uh mainly focused on |
| 14664s | bringing eight battle Cruisers uh to to |
| 14667s | the field uh it was so dominant and |
| 14670s | Powerful that it meant that the next |
| 14672s | year uh in Alliance tournament 17 and |
| 14674s | actually in the alliance opened uh we |
| 14676s | introduced a rule |
| 14678s | um where you can only bring three a |
| 14679s | particular Hull the logistics do not |
| 14682s | count towards that so you could bring |
| 14683s | for example three frigates and two |
| 14686s | Logistics friggers now that's been up to |
| 14687s | four |
| 14688s | um so yeah we'll see how that goes uh |
| 14691s | this year I'm already looking forward to |
| 14692s | seeing the method develop it's |
| 14694s | interesting when there's just little |
| 14695s | changes like that they can have quite a |
| 14696s | big ripple effect now gentana has |
| 14698s | mentioned earlier on about some of the |
| 14700s | under pointed ships and the ones that |
| 14703s | we're seeing a lot of people using uh |
| 14705s | stabberfully and Scythe Fleet why are |
| 14707s | they so popular |
| 14709s | yeah so one of the big impacts obviously |
| 14712s | is that the sponsorship role is only a |
| 14714s | flat one point decrease on all of these |
| 14717s | ships |
| 14718s | um and that has a really big impact |
| 14720s | sorry it has more of an impact on the |
| 14722s | overall points cost of a ship the |
| 14723s | smaller it is uh the visual Fleet and |
| 14726s | the Republic Fleet firetail where it's a |
| 14728s | one-third points decrease we haven't |
| 14731s | really seen those as much we've seen |
| 14732s | them here and there uh but generally |
| 14735s | people have been trying to put more |
| 14737s | points into their uh tackle Wings anyway |
| 14739s | so yeah because they're just not very |
| 14742s | survival unfortunately so we're unlikely |
| 14745s | to see a huge amount of those but this |
| 14747s | there is such a sweet point it when you |
| 14750s | get to the stabberly issue and the |
| 14751s | Sci-Fi issue the very fast that they're |
| 14753s | very good at dealing with other frigates |
| 14755s | and they let you basically and they and |
| 14758s | most importantly actually they can work |
| 14759s | in both armor and shield uh the real |
| 14763s | power of them is that they're great at |
| 14765s | bullying your opponent's tackle |
| 14768s | um if your opponent has brought a lot of |
| 14769s | assault for a Gates or they're running |
| 14771s | around with something else like a |
| 14772s | Punisher that's trying to get in there |
| 14774s | and do a lot of damage and try and |
| 14776s | Survive by just being small the |
| 14778s | stabberly issue in the cycling issue are |
| 14780s | so good at dealing with them and they |
| 14782s | just allow you to occupy a large amount |
| 14784s | of space on the grid which your opponent |
| 14787s | opposing frigate Pilots have to Pilot |
| 14789s | around to get to where they want to be |
| 14792s | um for the standard Fleet issue that's |
| 14795s | because it has a massive tracking bonus |
| 14796s | it's uh 10 per level I believe uh and |
| 14800s | with the already incredibly High track |
| 14802s | based tracking of autocannons that means |
| 14805s | you can almost always hit a frigate on |
| 14808s | the approach and you know combine that |
| 14810s | with a good bit of lurch speed you can |
| 14812s | if you grab a scram on a web on I forget |
| 14813s | it's normally going to die or at least |
| 14815s | force one or two reps from the logistics |
| 14817s | to go on to it to keep it alive and at |
| 14820s | that point it's effectively dead in the |
| 14821s | water anyway because it's not tackling |
| 14823s | something it wants to be tackling the |
| 14825s | safely issue on the other hand is a lot |
| 14827s | faster but it has the downside of not |
| 14830s | having that same tracking bonus it's |
| 14832s | it's got to use either rapid lights or |
| 14834s | Auto cannons and it needs to rely on the |
| 14836s | utility highs that it has so putting out |
| 14838s | newts or putting out if it's armor fit |
| 14841s | two three webs to allow the rest of the |
| 14844s | fleet to just quickly apply to that bit |
| 14845s | of tackle that's wandered a bit too |
| 14847s | close and kill it through that |
| 14849s | we're going to see a lot of these going |
| 14851s | forwards in the tournament in my opinion |
| 14853s | they are just so so powerful of the |
| 14855s | ships especially the staff of Fleet |
| 14857s | issue which in my opinion is the better |
| 14859s | of the two |
| 14862s | do you think that these ships are going |
| 14864s | to be powerful enough and impactful |
| 14865s | enough that we might see teams start to |
| 14867s | ban them or do you think that there's |
| 14869s | not linchpin enough to to comments that |
| 14872s | they're worth burning a ban on maybe not |
| 14874s | in feeders when there's only two bands |
| 14875s | but what about in the main A.T |
| 14879s | um yeah so it's a good point that you |
| 14880s | make about the two versus three bands so |
| 14882s | with the trials here all the feeders we |
| 14885s | only have two bands and going to the |
| 14886s | main tournament there'll be three bands |
| 14887s | so there's also more potential for |
| 14889s | overlapping bands which you know they |
| 14891s | can then in their potential you could |
| 14892s | see what's that uh six nine depends well |
| 14896s | we're bad at Mass here on the panel |
| 14898s | apparently |
| 14899s | um but I like you said I don't think |
| 14902s | they're a make or break style ship they |
| 14904s | normally augment a style uh we see safe |
| 14906s | leads being thrown into some rapid icons |
| 14909s | they have that bonus maybe not the best |
| 14910s | because they suffer on Range a bit uh |
| 14912s | most of the time they excel at the kind |
| 14914s | of Rush there Auto cannons that jinton |
| 14916s | was speaking about |
| 14918s | um but you won't see Purity like I don't |
| 14921s | think if someone wanted to really do a |
| 14923s | rush you would like oh safely bad we |
| 14926s | can't do a rationale |
| 14928s | um you know the other thing still the |
| 14930s | Hicks always good |
| 14932s | um |
| 14933s | the broadswords classic slappers there's |
| 14937s | things you want to do if you want to do |
| 14938s | a rush The Shield Rush with the hams |
| 14940s | hadari ironically makes a good Rush |
| 14942s | still |
| 14943s | um |
| 14944s | so no I don't think they're a make or |
| 14946s | break they will never really be an |
| 14950s | optimal fan it's one of those things |
| 14951s | also if you really really wanted a band |
| 14953s | a rush you're gonna have to earn so many |
| 14955s | things normally you're better off going |
| 14957s | for something like a slap |
| 14960s | awesome awesome awesome so we are going |
| 14962s | to look forward to our next match it's |
| 14964s | going to be seriously suspicious versus |
| 14965s | Odin's call now Odin's call a team that |
| 14968s | the casters have put a lot of pressure |
| 14971s | on to perform well uh ranking them |
| 14974s | pretty highly and seriously suspicious |
| 14976s | uh this is their first match of the day |
| 14978s | they should have played delay on versus |
| 14979s | the minions but the minions forfeited so |
| 14981s | they haven't had a chance to warm up |
| 14982s | they're going in cold here against a |
| 14985s | highly ranked team seriously suspicious |
| 14987s | Banning the balgar and The Vindicator |
| 14990s | mean well Odin's called band in the |
| 14991s | slept near and the Loki two very |
| 14993s | different band strategies at play here |
| 14995s | and The Vindicator in the background |
| 14997s | heavy battleships with a lot of control |
| 14999s | whereas Odin's Banning the slept near |
| 15001s | and the Loki not wanting to see things |
| 15004s | perhaps like a fly killer or a county |
| 15006s | comp and they don't want to see those |
| 15007s | long-range low-key webs super super |
| 15010s | interesting |
| 15012s | um we're pretty much ready to go to the |
| 15014s | arena itself there actually so let's |
| 15015s | hand it over to fear and moderator to |
| 15018s | look at what's on field here or personal |
| 15020s | Legion sorry seriously suspicious and |
| 15023s | Odin's call with Alec and bbp and 52 |
| 15026s | points in two ships |
| 15034s | hello and welcome seriously suspicious |
| 15037s | taking advantage of that uh Point |
| 15039s | reduction that Yin tan mentioned at the |
| 15041s | top of the analyst desk here double |
| 15043s | typhoon Fleet issue hurricane Fleet |
| 15045s | issue broadsword Osprey Navy issue |
| 15047s | bifrost scythefleet issue scalpel hyena |
| 15050s | mollus |
| 15053s | they do and uh they also happen to warp |
| 15056s | in most of their Fleet at zero so uh |
| 15059s | just to put it out there these are |
| 15062s | torpedo typhoon Fleet issues |
| 15064s | so uh it's a little bit different than |
| 15067s | what we've been seeing most of the day |
| 15068s | here we've been seeing a lot of not |
| 15070s | torpedo type and Fleet issues we've been |
| 15072s | seeing a lot of uh rapid heavy typhoon |
| 15074s | issues it's a very very different I love |
| 15076s | the torpedo configuration |
| 15078s | I really do I love it |
| 15082s | yeah it's uh it's a lot of damage uh |
| 15084s | they are also running uh autocannon |
| 15086s | broadsword autocannon hurricane Fleet |
| 15088s | issue so there's a mass amount of |
| 15089s | anti-battleship DPS which is maybe |
| 15092s | unfortunate for Odin's call who has |
| 15093s | spent 52 points in two Le Shacks with a |
| 15096s | smattering of other ships so they do |
| 15098s | have a curse which is pretty good I |
| 15100s | think that's one of the first curses |
| 15101s | we've seen today actually |
| 15104s | yeah it's the the first of my |
| 15106s | recollection they also got a celestis |
| 15108s | was an interesting addition especially |
| 15110s | with scripted damps being part of the |
| 15112s | tournament here |
| 15113s | it's going to be a battle of the |
| 15115s | battleships here but seriously |
| 15117s | suspicious has a bit of a thicker low |
| 15118s | end we'll see how well that does for |
| 15121s | them |
| 15122s | and we're off well it does look like |
| 15123s | seriously suspicious is actually burning |
| 15125s | straight in to grab a tackle on |
| 15128s | something though that site Fleet issue |
| 15130s | of mosquito does get screened by uh |
| 15132s | looks like Mauler webs and then also |
| 15134s | grab down a does look like mosquito is |
| 15136s | going to be able to pull away here not a |
| 15138s | huge amount of damage coming out lots of |
| 15140s | tracking disruptors on both of those |
| 15141s | Fleet typhoons right now so that'll |
| 15142s | reduce the damage quite a bit though the |
| 15143s | shack of Colonel Kurtz is tackled and |
| 15145s | already into armor |
| 15147s | now the type of inflate issues are |
| 15148s | screaming across the field they are far |
| 15150s | faster than a battleship should be and |
| 15152s | they have closed the gap on top of the |
| 15154s | little Shacks in record fashion here |
| 15157s | there's a massive cloud of thoughts |
| 15159s | coming out |
| 15161s | I think yeah there's a mass amount of |
| 15162s | rep Bots they do need to get these |
| 15163s | typhoon Fleet issues hopefully they have |
| 15165s | got smart bombs I might normally make a |
| 15167s | comment about uh XX gen XX overshooting |
| 15170s | his Target but with perps it doesn't |
| 15171s | really matter that much and he's moving |
| 15173s | in newts are going out but you know this |
| 15176s | Shack is dropping through both of these |
| 15178s | typhoons already and unlike rabbit |
| 15180s | Heavies there's not going to be a |
| 15180s | respite when they have to reload |
| 15183s | an interesting difference here seriously |
| 15185s | suspicious went damaged drones whereas |
| 15187s | Odin's call is going rep Bots very |
| 15190s | different approaches here the Odin's |
| 15192s | call team electing for more control |
| 15194s | trying to extend the length of the match |
| 15196s | whereas zero suspicious is all in |
| 15198s | straight away tank and spank and right |
| 15201s | now they are unfortunately getting the |
| 15203s | bad end of the spanking as that typhoon |
| 15205s | Fleet issue is about to drop he's trying |
| 15207s | to claw back his shield but it's just |
| 15209s | not enough the ramped up damage from |
| 15211s | these little Shacks doing work about to |
| 15213s | drop it and once it goes their chances |
| 15216s | of breaking kernel kurts drop |
| 15218s | drastically |
| 15220s | yeah I think it was a it was a really |
| 15222s | really good attempt but Shield typhoon |
| 15224s | Fleet issue is just so squishy I mean |
| 15225s | look how fast he just lost half of his |
| 15227s | shield and like two volleys on jantus |
| 15229s | and I'm assuming their Shield tank |
| 15231s | because it is a shield setup I don't |
| 15233s | know I mean it was a really really cool |
| 15234s | idea but we're not we're not really |
| 15236s | seeing it work all that well uh it does |
| 15238s | appear that they have swapped over to |
| 15239s | shooting at warring in the vexer so |
| 15242s | giving up on that LE chat kill already |
| 15245s | yeah and In fairness they are making |
| 15247s | good progress in him that vexer will go |
| 15249s | down but it's a very poor trade for |
| 15251s | uh one of the two main pieces of DPS on |
| 15254s | their team now I did say seriously |
| 15256s | suspicious has a thicker low end that is |
| 15258s | true but especially in their torpedo |
| 15261s | setup these Fleet typhoons were the |
| 15263s | Lion's Share of damage on that team |
| 15266s | yeah both of them already dropping uh it |
| 15268s | does look like that low end of seriously |
| 15269s | suspicious is actually doing a pretty |
| 15271s | decent job taking out the load of Odin's |
| 15273s | call but you know these two Le Shacks I |
| 15275s | mean that was amazing damage like |
| 15276s | there's so much potential here from |
| 15278s | seriously suspicious to just completely |
| 15280s | dumpster uh Odin's call here and it just |
| 15283s | didn't happen 52 points of the Shacks by |
| 15285s | itself probably can win this match at |
| 15287s | this point |
| 15289s | yeah the test for Odin's call is whether |
| 15292s | or not they could weather the early |
| 15293s | Storm from seriously suspicious their |
| 15295s | damage drone Focus |
| 15297s | high damage short range orientation to |
| 15300s | their comp if they could last past that |
| 15302s | initial push and start to you know clip |
| 15305s | some of that damage down it allows the |
| 15307s | control setup to really get comfortable |
| 15310s | that's what we're seeing here as pretty |
| 15312s | much all the damage from seriously |
| 15314s | suspicious is stopped they're trying to |
| 15316s | kill the Confessor but they're not even |
| 15319s | really making progress against it |
| 15320s | meanwhile they are losing ships at a |
| 15322s | regular consistent Pace this Scythe lead |
| 15325s | issue absolutely torn apart like it was |
| 15327s | made of paper |
| 15329s | yeah I think he went down in about four |
| 15331s | seconds there which is uh pretty dang |
| 15334s | fast |
| 15334s | um where these little Shacks are having |
| 15336s | absolutely no issue applying damage to |
| 15339s | everything Odin's call I believe you |
| 15341s | know they were talking that some of them |
| 15342s | aren't the same people as last year |
| 15343s | maybe they aren't the same team but uh |
| 15346s | as a team that went 5-2 in the 80 last |
| 15348s | year was a very very good team they're |
| 15350s | showing that they still have at least |
| 15352s | some level of magic as they are |
| 15354s | completely stopping the seriously |
| 15355s | suspicious team uh you know they're |
| 15357s | suspicious definitely brought an |
| 15359s | off-the-wall setup too so you never know |
| 15360s | how people are going to react to |
| 15361s | something like that but they're just |
| 15362s | dumpstering it this Osprey Navy she's |
| 15364s | taking Mass amounts of damage as well |
| 15365s | kind of boosting through it but you know |
| 15367s | it's not not long for this world |
| 15370s | you know and frankly the seriously |
| 15371s | suspicious team their comp was not bad |
| 15374s | they just had to execute one thing |
| 15376s | correctly which was |
| 15378s | basically kill one of those Shacks |
| 15380s | before they lost anything |
| 15382s | that didn't happen and the entire rest |
| 15384s | of the match ran away from them |
| 15386s | well in I think I feel like they maybe |
| 15388s | had a little bit of a chance there if |
| 15390s | they had uh possibly like like instead |
| 15392s | of wearing Fleet typhoons brought |
| 15393s | scorpions or something like that because |
| 15396s | uh imagine this setup |
| 15399s | picture it in your head where the fleet |
| 15401s | typhoons aren't garbage tank Shield |
| 15404s | ships that die in like 20 seconds to do |
| 15407s | the Shacks just putting that out there |
| 15409s | this might have worked with some |
| 15410s | scorpion Navy issues |
| 15412s | yeah perhaps uh I think the fleet |
| 15415s | typhoon probably went with it for the |
| 15416s | reduced points value but they kind of |
| 15418s | undercut that by bringing two of the |
| 15420s | same Hull |
| 15421s | I have |
| 15422s | I bet they're kicking themselves right |
| 15424s | now for not doing one Fleet typhoon and |
| 15426s | then maybe a tempest Fleet issue and |
| 15427s | then using that other point somewhere |
| 15429s | else |
| 15430s | I also think the hyena inclusion is a |
| 15434s | bit odd considering they already have |
| 15435s | the broadsword maybe something tankier |
| 15437s | to keep those webs on for longer would |
| 15440s | have been a better option maybe |
| 15441s | something that could bring a little more |
| 15442s | than just the web |
| 15444s | maybe bringing two laundry frigates |
| 15445s | instead of just one |
| 15447s | instead of a hyena perhaps that's a |
| 15448s | possibility too yeah there's some uh |
| 15450s | there's some serious uh glaring holes in |
| 15452s | the seriously suspicious setup but I |
| 15455s | don't know I think maybe they'll learn |
| 15456s | from this and be like hey we should |
| 15458s | bring better ships it's time yeah I mean |
| 15460s | the core idea was good uh we're now |
| 15463s | seeing their bifrost The Last Man |
| 15464s | Standing not standing for long in deep |
| 15467s | armor now hitting structure about to |
| 15469s | drop he does take down the Confessor so |
| 15472s | they didn't come away completely |
| 15473s | empty-handed but they have been wiped |
| 15475s | out by who this call as we throw this |
| 15477s | back to the desk |
| 15483s | thank you |
| 15509s | forever |
| 15538s | thank you |
| 15540s | foreign |
| 15561s | 's call answering the call there and |
| 15563s | taking one out over seriously suspicious |
| 15566s | uh shout out to Hodor there in the |
| 15569s | Confessor boundaring for Odin's call |
| 15570s | right at the end there he thought we |
| 15572s | didn't notice but we did I saw that you |
| 15575s | you went outside the arena for no reason |
| 15577s | speaking of doing things for no reason |
| 15579s | uh Jin tan bringing a single Logistics |
| 15583s | frigate uh question mark question mark |
| 15586s | exclamation mark |
| 15588s | yeah I mean I don't really have an |
| 15591s | answer for that one of the benefits of |
| 15592s | logistics frigates is that you can bring |
| 15594s | two of them uh if you're strapped for |
| 15597s | points you can you know it allows them |
| 15599s | to self-support and self-wrap one |
| 15600s | another |
| 15601s | if you're if you're that strapped for |
| 15604s | points bring a T1 Logistics trigger and |
| 15606s | a T2 Logistics forget you know it only |
| 15608s | costs six points it takes up one slot |
| 15610s | but then hey you've got points free to |
| 15612s | maybe uh provide something somewhere |
| 15614s | else in your composition |
| 15617s | I've got no answer for you on that one |
| 15619s | Ithaca sorry |
| 15620s | foreign |
| 15621s | yeah I mean it's an interesting one it |
| 15623s | just feels like there's there's very |
| 15626s | little reason to to bring one it's five |
| 15628s | points that |
| 15629s | isn't really going to do very much at |
| 15631s | this point you may as well bring either |
| 15632s | you know some other ship that's worth |
| 15634s | those five points that does damage or |
| 15636s | drop something else and bring a second |
| 15637s | one having One unsupported I must say |
| 15641s | when I saw that I was suspecting that |
| 15644s | maybe it was going to be something like |
| 15645s | a tenement scalpel and I was gonna |
| 15647s | expect a huge amount of Records coming |
| 15649s | up to support it which could be a viable |
| 15651s | strategy you know bait them onto that |
| 15653s | skull pools reduce signature Tandem and |
| 15655s | rep I'll keeping it up |
| 15657s | um but then Odin had the bigger rep |
| 15659s | valve and barely anything on that scalpa |
| 15661s | anyway so really weird strategy there |
| 15665s | yeah I mean we like to see Off the Wall |
| 15667s | strategies and crazy things sometimes uh |
| 15669s | when you're going up against a really |
| 15671s | well disciplined team you sometimes see |
| 15673s | them lose to some just complete cheese |
| 15675s | strategy because I mean you can't really |
| 15678s | practice against stuff that's that's |
| 15680s | kind of a little bit weird a little bit |
| 15682s | wild and occasionally it gets lucky uh |
| 15685s | unfortunately for seriously suspicious |
| 15687s | it was not to be today they are still |
| 15689s | one-on-one on the day uh due to the |
| 15691s | minions forfeiting that earlier match so |
| 15693s | not All Is Lost for them Odin's call |
| 15694s | that was their first match they go one |
| 15696s | and oh in the CBS Store bracket |
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| 15713s | tournament 18 then the details are in |
| 15715s | the most recent online streaming blog I |
| 15717s | believe |
| 15718s | um in terms of what you need to do what |
| 15720s | the format has to be what the |
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| 15730s | them I think the deadline off the top of |
| 15732s | my head is somewhere around November 5th |
| 15734s | for Alliance tournament 18 so if you |
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| 15755s | well |
| 15756s | right let's look forward |
| 15758s | um to our next match which is nine |
| 15760s | minutes away and we're going into the |
| 15763s | last couple of the day three more today |
| 15764s | we have whole control versus bright side |
| 15766s | of death |
| 15768s | um we've seen price of that already go |
| 15769s | up against Hall control this is another |
| 15770s | best of three |
| 15772s | um and bright side of death came out |
| 15774s | Victorious jintan uh I think you were |
| 15777s | casting that one |
| 15779s | um any any sort of uh things to to give |
| 15783s | advice to whole control what maybe they |
| 15784s | can do to try and pull a win out here |
| 15788s | um I'm gonna be honest with you I don't |
| 15790s | remember precisely what happened in |
| 15791s | their match but I will say the bright |
| 15793s | side of death a really really good |
| 15794s | execution comp |
| 15797s | um sorry a really good team for |
| 15799s | execution so they're gonna need whole |
| 15801s | control are gonna need to bring |
| 15802s | something that's going to challenge them |
| 15804s | probably on a comp level rather than an |
| 15806s | execution level uh |
| 15808s | given the bands here that we're looking |
| 15810s | at I'm not sure entirely what I bring |
| 15812s | but maybe something rushy something |
| 15814s | where if you get a nice pick early on |
| 15815s | you can snowball out of control rather |
| 15818s | than something where you're going to try |
| 15819s | and out execute like an armor control or |
| 15822s | a king Slayer or something along those |
| 15823s | lines |
| 15825s | yeah that's actually something I wanted |
| 15827s | to talk a little bit about is control |
| 15829s | and what we mean when we talk about that |
| 15831s | and that last match |
| 15833s | um we saw Odin's call have a pretty |
| 15836s | substantial control bar as some people |
| 15839s | would say is as wide as black pirate was |
| 15841s | earlier on in whiteboard mode |
| 15845s | um control Zoo what is control |
| 15849s | so well we can first go basically |
| 15851s | controllers you want to control what's |
| 15853s | happening in the game |
| 15855s | um control is normally some a really |
| 15857s | scary comp and really |
| 15859s | um for teams that are really good at |
| 15861s | execution because it allows you to kind |
| 15864s | of in a sense lose that you know rock |
| 15866s | paper scissors of the blind bands |
| 15868s | matchups turn on grids so you can |
| 15870s | actually show up on grid b in a sense in |
| 15873s | a worse matchup of arm control and |
| 15875s | actually being a good pretty good spot |
| 15877s | to quarterback if you've got the |
| 15878s | execution this is because normally the |
| 15881s | tools that control gives you so if |
| 15883s | control we're talking normally about the |
| 15885s | worst stuff |
| 15886s | um and it kind of can also be a bit |
| 15888s | grindy that's why we see the shack |
| 15890s | featured so when you talk about e-war |
| 15891s | you normally see something like |
| 15893s | blackbirds kitsunes uh Rooks I've also |
| 15897s | featured with this |
| 15898s | um so you start controlling what the |
| 15900s | enemy can shoot you dictate uh you know |
| 15903s | and that comes in with damps as well |
| 15904s | tracking disruptors so you pretty much |
| 15907s | it's two things you control all where |
| 15910s | the enemy can apply DPS so that also |
| 15913s | comes on your site you need to make sure |
| 15914s | that you're presenting the right target |
| 15916s | at the same time as well it doesn't help |
| 15918s | if you're jamming or damping and then |
| 15920s | you know something that is in range or |
| 15922s | is lockable should it is getting a shot |
| 15925s | at um sorry what I mean is you know |
| 15926s | doesn't help if you're dabbing and your |
| 15928s | Logistics is staying in range so you |
| 15930s | know then just to be aware of that |
| 15932s | um but then it's also the ability to |
| 15933s | just make sure whatever you're grabbing |
| 15936s | on you can just slowly grind it down and |
| 15938s | it's like anything you normally latch is |
| 15940s | in a way a guaranteed kill which is why |
| 15942s | we see it Le chat come into that where |
| 15944s | it just has that spool grinding grinding |
| 15947s | and grinding away and get that going |
| 15949s | um so in a nutshell control is just |
| 15952s | limiting what your opponent can shoot |
| 15955s | and being able to choose your Target to |
| 15958s | pick apart the enemy team |
| 15961s | and we usually see um control comps |
| 15964s | armor control is super popular obviously |
| 15966s | because the tank modules for armor go |
| 15969s | into the low slots and most uh offensive |
| 15971s | e-war and control modules go into the |
| 15974s | mid slots obviously there's some high |
| 15975s | slot ones like newt |
| 15977s | um but again lots of armor ships are |
| 15979s | very very strong with newts as well so |
| 15981s | we do see armor control really really |
| 15983s | often it's one of those |
| 15985s | um archetypes where the longer the match |
| 15987s | goes on the more powerful those control |
| 15990s | modules essentially become especially |
| 15992s | when it comes to things like uh engine |
| 15994s | neutralizers you know you're not going |
| 15996s | to be infinitely regenerating capacitor |
| 15998s | you're going to be burning through |
| 15999s | boosters if you have them your compass |
| 16001s | is going to get lower and lower and |
| 16002s | lower and eventually you might not be |
| 16003s | able to shoot or run your tank modules |
| 16005s | at all whereas you know at the start of |
| 16007s | the match when you've got full capacitor |
| 16008s | you're in a much better position |
| 16010s | in terms of the actual UI that we see on |
| 16013s | the screen now you might sometimes hear |
| 16014s | the casters referred to as fancy fancy |
| 16016s | UI that's the internal name it's known |
| 16018s | as and that's the bars across the bottom |
| 16020s | of your screen with the ship types the |
| 16022s | points and a couple of bits of |
| 16023s | information like speed and of course all |
| 16025s | the different effects being applied you |
| 16028s | know NG neutralizers webs uh tackle |
| 16031s | modules things like that you can see |
| 16033s | which modules being applied on what ship |
| 16035s | you also have the defense bar the attack |
| 16037s | bar and the control bar we've just spoke |
| 16038s | about control defense is essentially ehp |
| 16041s | and if you see a little purple bit in |
| 16042s | the end that's active reps so things |
| 16044s | like your ancillary armor repair as |
| 16047s | opposed to Pure HP and attack is DPS the |
| 16051s | number is in your fitting window added |
| 16054s | together across all your ships Whoever |
| 16056s | has the most has the biggest attack bar |
| 16058s | so that's what you're seeing when you're |
| 16060s | looking at it in the matches now um if |
| 16063s | we can bring those bands back up for |
| 16065s | whole control versus right side of death |
| 16067s | if you spend a bit of time talking about |
| 16069s | control whole control have control in |
| 16071s | their name but they're banning off one |
| 16072s | of the most popular control ships the |
| 16074s | balgorn |
| 16076s | um gen 10 I think you spoke a little bit |
| 16077s | about what you expect to see here what |
| 16079s | do you think they don't want to see |
| 16082s | uh well they don't want it what they |
| 16084s | seem to not want to see is I don't know |
| 16087s | it just seems like power bands it's not |
| 16089s | a consistent theme because they're |
| 16090s | banning something that's going to be |
| 16092s | really powerful close range and |
| 16093s | something that's going to be either a |
| 16094s | really powerful close range or further |
| 16097s | away in the Nighthawk you'd normally see |
| 16099s | a slept near band or something a little |
| 16101s | more geared towards |
| 16102s | um taking the metal rush off the table |
| 16104s | if you're worried about that uh |
| 16106s | personally I I tend to ban the low-key |
| 16108s | if I'm worried about rush because I find |
| 16110s | that the combination of hands and Ernest |
| 16112s | webs is is probably the most important |
| 16114s | part of it something really interesting |
| 16116s | though is the fact that no team has |
| 16117s | banned the EOS here so we might actually |
| 16120s | end up seeing a uh a drone kite mirror |
| 16123s | or potentially one of these two teams |
| 16125s | has found something that they believe is |
| 16126s | the counter to the Drone kite comp and |
| 16129s | they're going to bring that and hope |
| 16130s | that their opponents uh fall for the |
| 16132s | Trap and bring the EOS which has been |
| 16134s | left unbanned for the first time in |
| 16135s | quite a few matches I believe |
| 16138s | that would be super interesting we |
| 16140s | haven't seen any mirrors yet in the |
| 16142s | alliance tournament trials as far as I |
| 16144s | can remember there's been some comps |
| 16146s | with similar themes uh you know Russian |
| 16148s | punch each other the face comps coyote |
| 16150s | comps that we've not really seen any |
| 16152s | pure mirrors where both teams bring |
| 16154s | essentially almost the same ship lineup |
| 16156s | maybe just some difference in their in |
| 16158s | fittings I love seeing mirror matchups |
| 16160s | because at that point it can come down |
| 16162s | to execution Target calling and just who |
| 16164s | is the better team whereas sometimes you |
| 16167s | find that matches are one in the draft |
| 16169s | they're one in the Banning there's one |
| 16170s | in chip selection and ship fitting |
| 16173s | um we're almost ready to go to our next |
| 16175s | match uh whole control versus right side |
| 16176s | of death I see that twitch uh you guys |
| 16179s | are strongly favoring bright side of |
| 16181s | death uh 650 000 of you putting your |
| 16184s | Twitch points put on right side there so |
| 16187s | only 140 000 for hold control so very |
| 16190s | strongly uh people expecting Brightside |
| 16192s | death to go 2-0 in this series uh we'll |
| 16196s | find out in in just a moment as let's |
| 16198s | hand over to the arena for this match |
| 16201s | with your commentators fear and |
| 16203s | moderator |
| 16210s | welcome back to this next match of the |
| 16212s | alliance tournament theaters lady and |
| 16213s | gentlemen we see that whole control has |
| 16217s | choose to bring |
| 16218s | two Cruise fit and very fabulously pink |
| 16223s | um Golem |
| 16225s | ships and bright side of death has |
| 16227s | brought a |
| 16228s | claymore and a slept near and just a |
| 16232s | very fast support court here |
| 16235s | yeah it's Shield Rush with the Tempest |
| 16238s | Fleet issue added on top of it we'll see |
| 16240s | how that works uh the true minimatar |
| 16243s | Rush uh only having three caldari ships |
| 16246s | in the entire Shield comp uh it's |
| 16248s | interesting because we actually saw this |
| 16249s | exact dual Golem single scorpion Navy |
| 16251s | issue Tinker setup uh and I don't know |
| 16255s | if these are tinkered yet we'll see if |
| 16256s | there are cap transfers earlier in the |
| 16258s | day and it won but whole control I don't |
| 16261s | know if they've actually practiced with |
| 16262s | this comp yet we'll see because it is |
| 16264s | very difficult to execute these kinds of |
| 16266s | setups if you haven't tried them before |
| 16268s | believe me uh I know because this is |
| 16271s | actually something that we had prepped |
| 16273s | for last at until we got knocked out by |
| 16275s | bright side of death in the feeders |
| 16277s | we'll see if bright side of death are |
| 16278s | able to go up 2-0 in the series though |
| 16280s | as we're about to start right now |
| 16283s | yeah interestingly the Scorpion Navy |
| 16285s | issue is the loan |
| 16287s | um of that Battleship Corps that has |
| 16289s | gone with uh rapid Heavies instead of |
| 16291s | going Cruise like the Golems um Cruise |
| 16294s | Golems you know kind of make some sense |
| 16296s | the Golems are going to use their uh |
| 16299s | painter bonus to try to apply better and |
| 16302s | I would expect them to try to pick apart |
| 16304s | at the support core of the solder tri-2 |
| 16307s | headshot one of the larger ships and |
| 16309s | they're choosing to go after the Stamper |
| 16311s | Fleet issue trying to get rid of that um |
| 16313s | fast tackle but immediately we can see |
| 16316s | that wanto is deciding he's going to |
| 16318s | burn far away he doesn't want any of |
| 16320s | that smoke uh meanwhile the psalm is |
| 16323s | going to be the primary as the slept |
| 16325s | near Tempest and Claymore all closed on |
| 16327s | top of them at zero and are going to be |
| 16328s | slamming into him with auto cannons at |
| 16330s | close range |
| 16332s | yeah interestingly this Vagabond also |
| 16334s | staying far back trying to protect this |
| 16336s | Osprey but now he's got the opening |
| 16338s | going back in this uh whole control team |
| 16341s | is very very tightly balled together and |
| 16344s | the answer onto the Scorpion Navy issue |
| 16346s | remember he's the lone rapid heavy ship |
| 16348s | out of the uh comp they'll have to deal |
| 16350s | with rapid heavy reloads but he is |
| 16352s | getting through the safe lead issue |
| 16353s | right now alongside those bonus paints |
| 16355s | from the cruise missile golems and he's |
| 16358s | in Hull now the Scythe leader issue |
| 16359s | about to go down does Griffin though has |
| 16361s | been caught out on the side uh by these |
| 16363s | drones nearly volleyed and both fall at |
| 16365s | the same time |
| 16367s | yeah the Scorpion Navy issue is just |
| 16370s | trying to survive as long as he can |
| 16373s | um only really having a burst for reps |
| 16376s | is not going to be sustainable at this I |
| 16379s | say the Bantam goes down at the same |
| 16380s | time so one of those pieces of frig |
| 16382s | lodging not quite as survivable as if he |
| 16384s | had a scimitar on top of him but I mean |
| 16386s | that's what you get when you bring |
| 16387s | triple Battleship you just don't have |
| 16389s | the points for um heavier laundry and |
| 16391s | now that one of those yeah frigates is |
| 16393s | going down the burst is going down |
| 16395s | vasama is in low armor and will be dying |
| 16397s | fairly soon and uh they need to kill |
| 16399s | more of the support core of B solder |
| 16401s | they're going to be in a world of hurt |
| 16402s | here |
| 16404s | yeah I don't think there's a whole lot |
| 16406s | left in the attack in fact these tankers |
| 16408s | set up uh as they were tankers we did |
| 16409s | see the cap transfers uh hitting |
| 16412s | um importantly uh as was mentioned in uh |
| 16416s | by the analyst uh by mystical might as a |
| 16419s | couple more ships die here is that if |
| 16421s | Tinker gets bumped out off of each other |
| 16423s | especially with these big heavy ships |
| 16425s | they're no longer able to tank as |
| 16426s | effectively more ships just dying left |
| 16428s | and right from hold control as this |
| 16430s | Golem is now into half Shields but look |
| 16432s | he's not able to rep significantly at |
| 16435s | the moment because bright side of death |
| 16437s | has actually been able to get these |
| 16438s | bumps off |
| 16440s | yeah and besided they've been having |
| 16442s | their um you know their lighter ships |
| 16444s | like the jackpot the stabber and the |
| 16445s | Vega Bond |
| 16447s | um have been just absolutely picking |
| 16448s | apart the the Bantam the bursts the |
| 16450s | Marlin the fleet vigil very well played |
| 16452s | uh on their part realizing that they can |
| 16454s | get more value out of their um low rent |
| 16457s | before choosing to a breakthrough |
| 16459s | um the core of um whole |
| 16462s | I'm sorry of um of hole control rather |
| 16464s | than just having it all go for the |
| 16466s | Golems while they focus their heavier |
| 16468s | ships on top of the Golem as karab does |
| 16471s | drop stavland will be the last major |
| 16473s | ship along with Pavel in the Claymore |
| 16475s | and it's been pretty one-sided for what |
| 16477s | you thought here |
| 16479s | um executing their Rush very very well |
| 16481s | against the Golem team that probably |
| 16484s | thought that they would have more time |
| 16486s | um to apply those cruises and maybe |
| 16488s | Whittle away at chips but |
| 16491s | um bright side of death just absolutely |
| 16493s | controlled the arena didn't allow that |
| 16494s | to happen and has been picking apart |
| 16496s | full control here |
| 16499s | yeah and this is why they were predicted |
| 16501s | to be one of the top teams going into |
| 16502s | the tournament they're very good at |
| 16503s | execution uh we saw them Place top eight |
| 16505s | in the last at we'll see if they're |
| 16506s | going to be able to make that happen |
| 16507s | again as they will move on to the |
| 16510s | playoffs for the feeders we'll see if |
| 16512s | they're gonna be able to move on at A.T |
| 16513s | but uh all that being said uh well |
| 16516s | played from Bright Side of death of |
| 16518s | course whole control being in a two-team |
| 16520s | group will still automatically be |
| 16522s | runner-up and we'll be playing in the |
| 16524s | playoffs next Saturday as well just as |
| 16526s | the second seed from the group and not |
| 16528s | their first seed |
| 16531s | yeah um faffy waffy critically no longer |
| 16534s | part of this right side of death team |
| 16537s | um we were wondering how good of a |
| 16540s | roster they would be kind of without him |
| 16542s | he's moved on to Darkseid who is |
| 16544s | qualified into the main tournament uh |
| 16546s | we're also wondering how well some of |
| 16548s | these um Russian teams would do after |
| 16550s | the um kind of implosion of vydra and |
| 16554s | with some of their members spreading |
| 16556s | across to the Four Winds and also with |
| 16558s | what's going on in Eastern Europe right |
| 16560s | now but um |
| 16562s | seems like uh bright side of ditch is |
| 16564s | not having too much trouble with that as |
| 16565s | they drop the Claymore of Pavel and the |
| 16568s | sky breaker |
| 16569s | um of Crystal trying to burn towards the |
| 16572s | edge of the Arena here as bright side of |
| 16574s | death takes a commanding Victory as |
| 16576s | Crystal Burns and boundaries |
| 16580s | we're gonna send it back to the dust to |
| 16581s | break that one down and bring us into uh |
| 16585s | the next match which will be Alexis |
| 16587s | Matari vs kitchen sinkhole we'll be |
| 16589s | right back after this |
| 16614s | thank you |
| 16632s | foreign |
| 16636s | foreign |
| 16656s | death they're shining brightly as they |
| 16659s | take out whole control in what seemed to |
| 16662s | be a pretty commanding Victory they are |
| 16665s | in our 2-0 on the day looking strong uh |
| 16669s | as uh as fear mentioned during that |
| 16671s | match uh one of the favorites |
| 16672s | potentially to do quite well and get |
| 16674s | through into the uh into the main |
| 16676s | tournament there was a couple of |
| 16677s | questions raised about losing one of |
| 16679s | their key members on one of their key 3D |
| 16681s | Crafters but it goes to show that |
| 16684s | um not just one person can make a team |
| 16686s | you know one person can certainly have a |
| 16688s | huge influence on a team uh jintan I'm |
| 16690s | sure you've seen some of that in the |
| 16692s | teams that you've been with uh Fox |
| 16694s | holders uh I believe you're obviously we |
| 16696s | said this a few times but you've been |
| 16697s | leading a lot of the practices uh I |
| 16699s | think it'd be safe to say you know if |
| 16701s | someone like yourself wasn't in that |
| 16702s | team then they would maybe you know |
| 16704s | struggling a bit more than perhaps they |
| 16705s | they might would have been you know |
| 16707s | having one linchpin anchor person or |
| 16710s | personality can really make a huge |
| 16712s | difference so very pretty nice to see |
| 16713s | that besides are still doing well even |
| 16716s | though you have lost one of their |
| 16718s | historic members uh jintan what did you |
| 16721s | make of that match though is there |
| 16722s | anything whole control could have done |
| 16724s | differently do you think |
| 16725s | uh Brother Bear comp |
| 16728s | um |
| 16730s | in terms of actual execution there's not |
| 16733s | a huge amount you can do with a tanker |
| 16734s | you are very much a pseudo thinker we |
| 16737s | shouldn't really call it a tinker there |
| 16738s | is no Tinker Logistics involved in there |
| 16741s | um it's just trying to project a lot of |
| 16743s | DPS out onto the field and go from there |
| 16746s | uh yeah you are match-up fishing really |
| 16749s | hard when you bring a tinker you're |
| 16750s | hoping your opponents bring some sort of |
| 16752s | control uh control or kite setup ideally |
| 16756s | a control setup that doesn't have newts |
| 16758s | or a kite setup that doesn't have the |
| 16760s | option to go aggressive and they just |
| 16762s | weren't able to do they they weren't |
| 16763s | able to find that you know maybe it |
| 16765s | would have done well against the Drone |
| 16767s | setup I can imagine that being the case |
| 16769s | all you'd need is a couple of smart |
| 16770s | bombs on the golems and uh some you know |
| 16773s | and the ability to project onto their |
| 16775s | Logistics and you could have won via |
| 16777s | that that might have been their their uh |
| 16779s | train of thought but unfortunately uh |
| 16782s | bright side of death they saw through |
| 16784s | the ruse they believed in themselves and |
| 16786s | they brought a simple execution comp |
| 16787s | rather than the powerful comp that |
| 16789s | everyone else seems to fear and because |
| 16791s | of that they were able to pull out a |
| 16792s | very simple Victory there |
| 16795s | yeah and uh and Zoo |
| 16798s | um what do you make of burst Bantam like |
| 16801s | it's only two points it's two Logistics |
| 16803s | fragrance tech one Logistics fragrance |
| 16805s | not even Tech Two |
| 16807s | um and you're bringing them with some |
| 16809s | pretty heavy ships like the Golems uh |
| 16811s | and the Navy Scorpion and the Claymore |
| 16813s | are they really gonna have the rep power |
| 16815s | to to keep these ships alive do you |
| 16817s | think I mean obviously not we've we can |
| 16819s | answer that question factually uh but do |
| 16821s | you think that's something that they |
| 16822s | could have done differently with those |
| 16823s | ships |
| 16825s | I don't think there's too much that |
| 16827s | could have done different |
| 16828s | um what we also saw happening there that |
| 16829s | was picking the frequency apart was |
| 16831s | there was uh looks like bright side |
| 16833s | broad uh light drones uh DPS drones to |
| 16836s | supplement their Rush teams normally |
| 16837s | might have EC drones or Logistics drones |
| 16841s | um and Bryce titles had a jack draw so a |
| 16843s | combination of those two allowed them to |
| 16845s | put a lot of like sideline pressure on |
| 16847s | those frequency in a sense forget them |
| 16849s | and focus on their main target but what |
| 16851s | someone like hold control might have |
| 16853s | been hoping for with these things um is |
| 16857s | supplementing your reps what you're kind |
| 16859s | of hoping for is sense of like a |
| 16860s | Breaking Point |
| 16861s | um you're hoping that the friglogy even |
| 16864s | though it's just T1 can give you just |
| 16866s | that edge to remain |
| 16868s | um above that your kind of breaking |
| 16870s | point on your self rep for your |
| 16871s | battleships so the battleships can |
| 16873s | hopefully start getting off enough EPS |
| 16875s | you know so |
| 16876s | um hopefully the frequency then survives |
| 16878s | are relying on their small sick radius |
| 16880s | and |
| 16881s | um Melody and all of that uh just put up |
| 16884s | enough rep power to make sure the |
| 16885s | battleships just stay just just staying |
| 16887s | in there and then hopefully the |
| 16889s | battleships would have gotten rid of |
| 16890s | some of the DPS you know that was |
| 16892s | rushing them but obviously that's not |
| 16894s | the case here um |
| 16897s | you mostly due to a lot of DBS coming in |
| 16900s | um not enough DPS going out and the |
| 16903s | potential for the split DBS from bright |
| 16905s | side and quite an effective folder I'd |
| 16906s | say as well I'm not completely tunneling |
| 16909s | on their primary target understanding |
| 16911s | like cool this fruit Lodge you aren't |
| 16912s | going to do it much but they might just |
| 16915s | buy enough time so let's do what we can |
| 16917s | about them so if everything that can |
| 16919s | perfectly apply to them perfectly right |
| 16921s | and they decided that was deductible and |
| 16923s | they're like drunk |
| 16925s | yeah well |
| 16927s | it wasn't to be unfortunately for them |
| 16929s | those two points uh were just not enough |
| 16932s | to keep uh the hopes of Hull control |
| 16935s | alive and well against the bright side |
| 16937s | of death |
| 16938s | um they are now owned two |
| 16941s | um so it's gonna be a tough climb for |
| 16943s | them uh to try and make it through into |
| 16945s | the consolidation bracket they still |
| 16947s | have some more matches to play tomorrow |
| 16948s | so we'll see if uh if they can carry a |
| 16951s | couple of wins there and perhaps take it |
| 16953s | to the tie break uh that will certainly |
| 16955s | be very very interesting uh now speaking |
| 16959s | of interesting our last two matches of |
| 16961s | the day are going to be uh featuring our |
| 16964s | Minotaur uh role play corpse once again |
| 16966s | Alexis material they're not playing each |
| 16968s | other yet uh that would be super |
| 16970s | interesting and they are playing |
| 16971s | respectively let's retire playing |
| 16973s | kitchen sinkhole and ushra Khan playing |
| 16975s | no vacancies both of them |
| 16978s | um put into the good luck tier by a |
| 16981s | number of the casters not me uh in our |
| 16984s | tier list show and both of those teams |
| 16987s | doing relatively well |
| 16989s | Gentile I think from what I remember |
| 16991s | Alex matai looked maybe the more put |
| 16994s | together more uh more experienced team |
| 16997s | what do you think |
| 16999s | yeah I have to say I like this Matari |
| 17001s | looked really really good in that in |
| 17002s | that first match they must have been |
| 17004s | practicing that comp quite a lot uh I |
| 17007s | think it's gonna it's gonna come down to |
| 17009s | is that a comp that they've sat down and |
| 17010s | run you know 10 you know 15 times or is |
| 17014s | it just that their base skills are |
| 17016s | actually good you know a lot of times a |
| 17019s | team will narrow in on one style of comp |
| 17021s | or one specific comp exactly and just |
| 17024s | practice that over and over and over |
| 17026s | especially for a tournament like this |
| 17027s | and try and get really good with it and |
| 17030s | then they'll neglect to do other styles |
| 17032s | of com so it's gonna be a question of |
| 17034s | you know do they have an aggro comp in |
| 17035s | their back pocket do they have something |
| 17037s | else that they can bring and maybe |
| 17039s | surprise no vacancies with because no |
| 17041s | vacancies I haven't played yet today so |
| 17044s | they haven't shown anything uh sorry |
| 17046s | kitchen sinkhole have played today my |
| 17047s | bad I'm looking at the wrong match |
| 17053s | no they haven't played they haven't |
| 17055s | played sorry my bad |
| 17057s | um you're right the first time |
| 17059s | I was correct I just had the wrong teams |
| 17061s | but it's gonna be a question of uh can |
| 17064s | they bring something different and maybe |
| 17065s | surprise kitchen sinkhole |
| 17067s | um or are they gonna bring the same |
| 17069s | thing and maybe get counted that's |
| 17070s | always a possibility especially a |
| 17072s | tournament like this where you're trying |
| 17075s | to conserve a little bit of theory |
| 17076s | crafting as well because you want to |
| 17078s | prepare yourself well for the playoffs |
| 17079s | you don't want to show everything right |
| 17081s | now |
| 17083s | yeah Alex Cemetery also uh have uh RCA |
| 17086s | Elkin member of uh this Council of |
| 17089s | Stellar management Uh current sitting |
| 17090s | member |
| 17092s | um they are in the same uh tribe as |
| 17094s | total feeder Glory uh who have Mark |
| 17097s | resurrect his Wormhole candidate uh |
| 17100s | sorry one more CSM member sitting in the |
| 17102s | CSM everyone in csm17 |
| 17104s | um it would be interesting if uh if |
| 17106s | those two fight off against each other |
| 17107s | perhaps the loser will resign their seat |
| 17109s | who knows uh that would be certainly uh |
| 17112s | very very interesting |
| 17114s | um I'm looking forward to I'm looking |
| 17117s | forward to tomorrow to be honest because |
| 17118s | today's match is well interesting uh are |
| 17121s | just like the group level matches all |
| 17123s | right so tomorrow is when we start to |
| 17124s | see teams basically starting to get |
| 17126s | eliminated uh or in positions to be |
| 17129s | eliminated from The Alliance tournament |
| 17131s | trials |
| 17133s | um you know no one has really secured |
| 17134s | themselves a spot yet and some teams are |
| 17137s | really looking a bit shaky whether or |
| 17139s | not they're going to make it through |
| 17141s | um but tomorrow is when we start to see |
| 17143s | those uh those chances you know firm up |
| 17146s | or or wash out completely |
| 17150s | and Lexus Matari and kitchen sinkhole |
| 17153s | see what these teams have decided they |
| 17155s | do not want to face |
| 17157s | so if we can pop them up on screen |
| 17162s | cool so Alexis Matari interesting sets |
| 17164s | of bands here Banning the curse and |
| 17166s | banning that Loki so as jintan mentioned |
| 17169s | a couple of times uh if you want to |
| 17170s | avoid that sort of ham Nighthawk Loki |
| 17173s | Rush then he thinks behind that Loki and |
| 17175s | those long range webs is the more |
| 17177s | powerful of those bands the curse also a |
| 17179s | very powerful e-war platform especially |
| 17181s | with scripted e-war the guide |
| 17182s | instructors are tracking disruptors and |
| 17184s | the energy neutralizers that you can |
| 17186s | slap on that bad boy can cause a lot of |
| 17188s | disruption uh kitchen sink Banning that |
| 17190s | zarmsad uh we've only seen that band |
| 17192s | once thus far it's a very very powerful |
| 17194s | single Target logistic ship not normally |
| 17197s | the most picked Logistics Cruiser |
| 17200s | um in any format really because it's |
| 17203s | inability to rapidly switch between |
| 17205s | targets and tournament environment but |
| 17206s | still very strong and of course that |
| 17209s | typhoon flea tissue sometimes known as |
| 17212s | the flun which it can be just vomiting |
| 17215s | out DPS and has those utility highs |
| 17217s | usually filled with heavy energy |
| 17220s | neutralizers at Zoo anything else really |
| 17223s | jumping out of you here from these bands |
| 17227s | well I'm loving to see the curse in some |
| 17229s | capacity Chris is one of my favorite |
| 17231s | ships but it's always a good band um |
| 17232s | because it's kind of like a cheap |
| 17236s | um self like bring all kind of armor |
| 17239s | control all you want in a sense it's got |
| 17241s | the drones it's got you know the e-war |
| 17242s | it's got newts um oh like that's awesome |
| 17245s | uh but those arms also kind of you could |
| 17247s | say another thing that falls into the |
| 17248s | armor control style that we've said |
| 17250s | before |
| 17251s | um thriving in an area where if you're |
| 17254s | controlling what the enemy team can |
| 17255s | shoot and his arm ramping up you know |
| 17257s | being able to uh rep just one shift |
| 17259s | stronger and stronger stronger |
| 17261s | um if you're limiting the enemy's |
| 17263s | ability to switch targets |
| 17265s | um you know that's uh that's where his |
| 17267s | arm can Thrive there |
| 17269s | um stuff isn't really jumping out I |
| 17270s | think Jin Tan's mentioned quite before |
| 17272s | Halal Loki uh is normally a sign that |
| 17274s | you might be scared of something like a |
| 17276s | rush |
| 17277s | um so I'm wondering if we're also going |
| 17280s | to see more frequency |
| 17282s | um coming in from sorry I forget teams |
| 17284s | now here if I just go back uh from uh |
| 17287s | electus |
| 17288s | um because a curse with its small nudes |
| 17291s | can be quite effective which is |
| 17292s | absolutely ruining for watch these days |
| 17294s | with those cycle time bonuses and being |
| 17297s | able to spread them all around but I |
| 17299s | sometimes feel like Shield might suffer |
| 17301s | a bit more from nudes as well you |
| 17303s | genuinely want to keep that hiding |
| 17305s | potential you have |
| 17306s | um getting your microwave drive shut |
| 17307s | down is a tense amount of death at that |
| 17310s | point so I want to say that Alexis might |
| 17313s | be trying to go for a more Shield uh |
| 17315s | kite style here |
| 17318s | all right well uh let's find that |
| 17320s | however right you are zoo or if you're |
| 17322s | wildly wrong uh we'll know in just a |
| 17324s | moment as we hand over to the arena to |
| 17326s | see this match between Alexis Matari and |
| 17329s | kitchen sinkhole with your casters Alec |
| 17331s | and Blackboard pirate |
| 17333s | foreign |
| 17343s | matchup these teams starting very far |
| 17345s | away from each other Alexis macharia has |
| 17348s | a pair of EOS a hugin a murmidon Ishtar |
| 17351s | vexer Navy athalia Deacon vexer and |
| 17354s | skybreaker very drone heavy comp |
| 17357s | Blackboard what do we have from Kitchen |
| 17359s | sinkhole |
| 17361s | and kitchen sinkhole is uh done |
| 17362s | something a little bit interesting here |
| 17364s | they are actually running Auto Cannon |
| 17366s | hurricane Fleet issues and slip ner but |
| 17369s | they did work in at 50 so very very far |
| 17372s | away uh but with a lot of very close |
| 17374s | range damage uh also they have a hugin |
| 17377s | you got a kitsun they got a carius they |
| 17378s | have a pretty solid e-ore and control |
| 17380s | setup and they're rounding off that low |
| 17382s | end with jack off like catcher |
| 17384s | stabbers it's an interesting hybrid of a |
| 17386s | pretty rush and an e-war control |
| 17390s | indeed and they you know I I really |
| 17392s | actually like their setup because |
| 17393s | they've got some good close range damage |
| 17394s | they've got some good anti-tackle though |
| 17397s | it does look like the flycatcher and the |
| 17399s | jacked off are uh well the fly catchers |
| 17402s | rocket and the jackdaws lightness so |
| 17403s | there's kind of a little bit of a |
| 17405s | yeah I don't know maybe a mix of |
| 17406s | opinions here long range short range |
| 17408s | e-war who knows |
| 17411s | yeah unfortunately it gets the Drone |
| 17413s | comp all of that control is not going to |
| 17414s | help them a ton uh doesn't matter if the |
| 17417s | Drone ships are webbed far off damps |
| 17419s | will be helpful but I don't have enough |
| 17421s | damps for the whole team and the jams |
| 17423s | are going to be effectively meaningless |
| 17425s | so I actually think Lexus Matari may |
| 17427s | have the edge in this rock paper scissor |
| 17429s | War but it will all come down to the |
| 17431s | execution here they need to be putting |
| 17433s | the drones on the right target they need |
| 17435s | to get that Target tackled down so the |
| 17437s | drones can apply |
| 17439s | you know that is true uh however to help |
| 17442s | them get that Target tackled down Alexis |
| 17444s | montari also has a hugin uh the question |
| 17446s | is is Kitchen sinkhole going to be able |
| 17448s | to prevent said hugin from doing any |
| 17450s | tackling I think they do have a decent |
| 17452s | Eeyore setup so like you said this is |
| 17455s | what would be your solution |
| 17458s | would you would you if you were kitchen |
| 17460s | sinkhole would you try to e-war the |
| 17462s | hugin and count on your Kitsune and |
| 17465s | Carries to keep it isolated or would you |
| 17466s | try to primary it |
| 17469s | you know I think in this case like I |
| 17471s | would damp the heck out of that hugin |
| 17472s | and then maybe ignore it but uh you know |
| 17474s | we're gonna see I'm a little something |
| 17476s | that we we actually haven't seen in |
| 17477s | eos-based drone setup yet and I'm kind |
| 17479s | of curious to see if lectus Matari has |
| 17481s | filled all of the mid slots on that with |
| 17483s | amps of their own which we're going to |
| 17485s | find out in about five seconds here |
| 17487s | yep links are up the teams are raring to |
| 17490s | go and we're off |
| 17493s | gigantic heavy drone cloud is already |
| 17496s | out so we're not seeing any sentries uh |
| 17498s | we'll take a little bit for this damage |
| 17499s | to apply uh it looks like long range |
| 17501s | webs are already on the vexer and uh |
| 17503s | kitchen sinkhole is has their hugin and |
| 17506s | their carries and their Scimitar Dam so |
| 17508s | it does look like Alexis Matari has fit |
| 17510s | quite a lot of sensor damps on a variety |
| 17512s | of their ships here |
| 17514s | yep and we can see like this Atari |
| 17517s | Fanning out now meanwhile kitchen |
| 17519s | sinkhole driving desperately in a |
| 17521s | straight line to catch anything their |
| 17522s | flag catcher has zoomed out very far |
| 17525s | ahead of the rest of them and oh that's |
| 17527s | a pop |
| 17529s | well you know the fly catcher actually |
| 17531s | just dropped a stasis webifier bubble on |
| 17534s | top of all the drones so that's kind of |
| 17535s | an interesting tactic there uh |
| 17536s | unfortunately by doing so it has also |
| 17538s | stasis webified itself and all of those |
| 17540s | heavy drones are doing Mass amounts of |
| 17542s | damage to the fly catcher it does look |
| 17543s | like the sky breaker is going to drop |
| 17545s | first uh and then the vector Navy's |
| 17547s | taking a decent amount of damage and |
| 17549s | actually this fly catcher almost is |
| 17550s | holding but I think it is eventually |
| 17552s | going to drop here very interesting use |
| 17554s | of web bubbles right there |
| 17555s | that's Simi is doing a lot of work |
| 17557s | buying time on this fly catcher I think |
| 17559s | he will die but the vexer may go first |
| 17563s | uh |
| 17566s | um it is actually keeping it alive but |
| 17568s | all the drones did swap over to the |
| 17569s | Scimitar uh who is not moving but is |
| 17572s | also not tackled I believe they damped |
| 17573s | the Scimitar down it flew in to get on |
| 17575s | the Fly Catcher And then Alexis Matari |
| 17577s | switched all of their drones over |
| 17578s | towards it uh is boosting for its life |
| 17580s | and the vector Navy issue drops down |
| 17581s | here so kitchen sinkhole is actually |
| 17582s | doing a really really good job versus |
| 17584s | drone setup |
| 17586s | yeah the semi surrounded by a cloud of |
| 17588s | hostile drones no wrap drones on their |
| 17590s | side so as soon as since his ancillary |
| 17592s | Shield booster charges run out he will |
| 17594s | drop very rapidly but it looks like |
| 17596s | they're gonna go for a lodgy trade here |
| 17598s | they know that's about to happen so |
| 17600s | they've taken out the Thalia now it |
| 17602s | seems like they're splitting damage |
| 17603s | across the hugin and the Deacon the |
| 17605s | hugin not the greatest armor tank in the |
| 17607s | world |
| 17608s | oh and that's their semi Okay so |
| 17612s | this match is evolving in a very |
| 17614s | interesting Direction I think kitchen |
| 17615s | sinkhole has the edge of the snowball |
| 17618s | here but things are far from certain now |
| 17619s | that their lodgy is down |
| 17622s | well and we're gonna we're gonna see if |
| 17623s | electus mataria has actually practiced |
| 17625s | drones it does look like they have as |
| 17626s | all of their drone uh ships are |
| 17628s | starbursting towards beacons this is a |
| 17630s | classic tactic whenever you are flying |
| 17632s | drone ships is to get away from |
| 17633s | everything because the drones don't your |
| 17635s | ship does not need to be near the drone |
| 17636s | target uh the hugin is tackled and will |
| 17638s | drop but none of the other Alexa Atari |
| 17640s | ships are down so now the drones are |
| 17642s | going to be flying around while kitchen |
| 17644s | sinkle has to chase after their targets |
| 17646s | uh very very interesting setup here this |
| 17648s | match could definitely go either way |
| 17649s | still at this point |
| 17652s | yeah I think the challenge now for |
| 17654s | Alexis metaria is they're not going to |
| 17655s | be able to slow down any of these ships |
| 17657s | you can see the kitchen sinkhole Fleet |
| 17659s | microworp driving away kind of dragging |
| 17661s | that cloud of drones behind them the |
| 17663s | drones not able to do their theoretical |
| 17666s | full damage because they have to speed |
| 17668s | up catch up fire every time |
| 17670s | it's enabling this hurricane Fleet issue |
| 17672s | to stay alive a lot longer than you'd |
| 17674s | think although he is running out of |
| 17676s | shield and running out of Runway |
| 17679s | quick |
| 17684s | yeah he just uh he just turned and maybe |
| 17686s | he's gonna survive uh he's kiting the |
| 17688s | drones extremely well here |
| 17690s | um very very good play on kitchen |
| 17692s | sinkhole they've definitely playing a |
| 17694s | fought Up Against drones before and they |
| 17696s | have the vexer of Lord and mega tackle |
| 17698s | up getting that's gonna be the next |
| 17699s | Target and yeah this hurricane Fleet |
| 17700s | issue is living to win just kiting |
| 17702s | drones extremely well |
| 17704s | has his armor is dropping but these |
| 17706s | these drones are just so slow I wonder |
| 17708s | if by putting so much e-war in their mid |
| 17711s | slots they forgot to put the Drone nav |
| 17713s | computers to allow those drones to get |
| 17715s | onto Target |
| 17717s | Ah that's very possible and it's |
| 17719s | actually kind of surprising how well |
| 17721s | they're kiting here I think that you |
| 17723s | know Alexis of Atari maybe needs to look |
| 17724s | into swapping to a different Target but |
| 17726s | you know somehow they're playing almost |
| 17727s | no damage uh a lot of this is the Drone |
| 17730s | choice too there's a lot of Navy |
| 17731s | Predators out which are quite slow I |
| 17733s | think that maybe if they had Berserkers |
| 17734s | or something they could do more damage |
| 17735s | but peroath is still living to win here |
| 17737s | uh very very low armor but you know the |
| 17740s | EOS of uh Athen is tackled and probably |
| 17742s | gonna go down maybe even before parole |
| 17745s | and the most concerning thing is you |
| 17747s | mentioned swapping to another Target |
| 17748s | that's the best Target they've got the |
| 17751s | hurricane Fleet issues are by far the |
| 17754s | best option for these for this drone |
| 17755s | Cloud to park itself on and it's still |
| 17757s | kiting them out |
| 17760s | yeah at this point uh yeah parole's just |
| 17764s | flying Burl it's actually going to |
| 17765s | outlive the EOS as well uh layer of the |
| 17768s | match right here EOS going down verol is |
| 17770s | still alive with this massive drone |
| 17772s | cloud and kitchen sinkhole is uh just |
| 17774s | handling Alexis Makari who's massively |
| 17777s | over committed like they're tunnel |
| 17778s | visioning on this poor hurricane Fleet |
| 17779s | issue |
| 17781s | now they have no tackle to really pin |
| 17783s | down anything else this is I've this is |
| 17787s | a runaway and it's all thanks to the |
| 17789s | piloting that Hurricane's lead issue |
| 17792s | yeah and uh they're swapping over to the |
| 17794s | Ishtar now who is tackled down uh three |
| 17797s | drone ships left not really that much |
| 17800s | damage I I don't think that Alexis |
| 17802s | batari has any chance here uh this star |
| 17805s | is just gonna drop so quickly and we're |
| 17806s | not seeing any drone damage to fly to |
| 17807s | anybody on kitchen sinkhole yet |
| 17811s | we're seeing a lot of uh hate on drone |
| 17813s | comps in the twitch chat it's not that |
| 17814s | they're bad they they are quite good but |
| 17816s | you need to pair them with a little bit |
| 17818s | of tackle that was a glaring Gap in the |
| 17821s | electus Matari comp here it just didn't |
| 17824s | have it and the very little bit of |
| 17826s | tackle they did have got taken out way |
| 17828s | too easily rather than invest so many |
| 17830s | points in a fragile hugin it might have |
| 17832s | been better off Distributing those |
| 17834s | points than to several tanky frigates |
| 17837s | no I mean it might have even been better |
| 17838s | off just having like your EOS be a |
| 17841s | tackle or something but uh you know and |
| 17842s | I thought that for a while Alexis |
| 17844s | actually had this because that Scimitar |
| 17846s | um did not the cemetery lived way longer |
| 17849s | than it should have like it was sitting |
| 17851s | at zero on top of their uh lie catcher |
| 17853s | and had a ton of drones on it the |
| 17855s | Scimitar just tanked which was very |
| 17857s | surprising uh I'm not sure if Alexis had |
| 17859s | the drones on the wrong target or maybe |
| 17860s | they just messed up but you know there's |
| 17862s | definitely a little bit of tunnel |
| 17864s | visioning here and we're kind of seeing |
| 17865s | I mean we're seeing the result of that |
| 17867s | right now |
| 17870s | yeah no no viable options I'm I've got |
| 17873s | to assume that the ease and the mermaid |
| 17875s | and neither of them has a scram or web |
| 17877s | if they did they would probably be |
| 17878s | trying to go in and apply it on |
| 17880s | literally anything at this point |
| 17883s | uh but they are so far behind in both |
| 17885s | the DPS and e-war race I would be |
| 17888s | shocked if they could even Target |
| 17889s | anything with both the carries and the |
| 17891s | katsune still alive |
| 17892s | those drones are probably running on |
| 17894s | autopilot |
| 17897s | yeah it looks like they're uh they might |
| 17899s | get uh kidris flycatcher down which has |
| 17901s | been uh surviving in like 30 structure |
| 17903s | for the last you know five minutes or so |
| 17905s | uh |
| 17906s | maybe I did see another web bubble and |
| 17909s | some kiting away but yeah this is just |
| 17911s | uh I just again totally handled kitchen |
| 17913s | sinkholes definitely practiced Against |
| 17915s | drones they were ready to fight drones |
| 17916s | and they're doing a fantastic job |
| 17918s | against them |
| 17920s | yeah it was probably one of the best |
| 17921s | defensive flying we've seen against the |
| 17924s | Drone comp in any tournament setting in |
| 17926s | a very long time just absolutely |
| 17928s | fabulous I think there's nothing in the |
| 17930s | kitchen sinkhole comp that suggests you |
| 17933s | know they had some kind of uh rock paper |
| 17936s | scissor type advantage over this drone |
| 17938s | comp this was purely down to Target |
| 17940s | selection and personal piloting |
| 17944s | yeah they did a they did just pop that |
| 17946s | kitsun uh kind of out of nowhere I think |
| 17948s | that was probably the only target |
| 17950s | um but you know that's that's way too |
| 17952s | late here the murmidon is now tackled |
| 17954s | down and they're gonna like slowly |
| 17957s | slowly wipe this one out uh they left |
| 17959s | the mermaid on for last probably the |
| 17960s | least dangerous ship here and you know |
| 17962s | again huge shout out to parole I think |
| 17964s | probably some of the best piloting we've |
| 17966s | seen today more or less single-handedly |
| 17968s | wasting Alexis matari's DPS for like |
| 17971s | three minutes straight which was a again |
| 17973s | very very good play |
| 17977s | unfortunately the EOS for electives |
| 17979s | Atari not long for this world pixie |
| 17982s | Warrior is about to drop now the EOS |
| 17985s | does have a very beefy tank one of the |
| 17987s | tankiest especially in terms of active |
| 17990s | tank if all the command chips so we'll |
| 17992s | take them a little bit to grind him down |
| 17993s | but I think it's a foregone conclusion |
| 17996s | uh his drones just do not have the DPS |
| 17998s | now he's in structure it's dissipating |
| 18001s | very rapidly and kitchen sinkhole is |
| 18004s | about to claim a very spectacular |
| 18006s | Victory as we throw it back to the |
| 18008s | analyst desk |
| 18021s | thank you |
| 18029s | something stupid I think it's called |
| 18031s | it's Alton like uh F4 I think just going |
| 18035s | in |
| 18037s | so what's gonna happen here is Derek is |
| 18039s | going to undock the Titan and Bridge us |
| 18045s | foreign |
| 18058s | there are a lot of fun dice games but |
| 18060s | rolling the number you need to win is |
| 18062s | pure luck or is it |
| 18074s | welcome back ladies and gentlemen as |
| 18077s | Alexa Matari dropped that match to |
| 18079s | Kitchen sinkhole |
| 18080s | in what is considered clearly a bit of |
| 18083s | an upset uh not just on uh what we saw |
| 18086s | in the field but also to you you're in |
| 18088s | twitchland uh 428 of you put 600 000 of |
| 18093s | your channel points on Alexa Matari and |
| 18096s | you lost all of them meanwhile 240 of |
| 18098s | you choosing to bet 200 000 on uh |
| 18101s | kitchen sinkhole you get to be smug you |
| 18104s | are the winners in that particular one |
| 18105s | uh you can of course redeem those for uh |
| 18107s | some pretty cool skins uh there's a bot |
| 18109s | that's doing it |
| 18111s | um it sometimes gets overwhelmed not |
| 18113s | used to having so many people trying to |
| 18114s | talk to any one time so be patient but |
| 18117s | you will get some pretty cool skins for |
| 18119s | 10 000 points jintan uh exact quote from |
| 18123s | you during that match in our production |
| 18125s | chat uh quote I think em have this end |
| 18129s | quote what did you see at that |
| 18131s | particular moment that made you think |
| 18133s | that and what changed |
| 18136s | uh yeah so this was a point in the match |
| 18138s | where um Alexis Matari had yet to lose |
| 18141s | any major DPS ship so they still had |
| 18144s | um all four of their major drone DPS |
| 18146s | things in play and |
| 18149s | um their opponents had lost their |
| 18151s | Logistics at that point in theory you |
| 18153s | should be able to go to all your beacons |
| 18155s | and there is so much ground that a rush |
| 18157s | team uh like kitchen sinkhole have has |
| 18160s | to cover before they can apply their DPS |
| 18163s | whereas Alexis Matari can just sit and |
| 18166s | apply their DPS from pretty much any |
| 18168s | range that I think I thought that they |
| 18170s | should have been able to win it from |
| 18172s | that point unfortunately the range |
| 18175s | control of the hugin and um uh got |
| 18178s | caught at that point uh just as I said |
| 18180s | it unfortunately sorry Arthur give you |
| 18182s | the uh gave you the old curse there |
| 18185s | um and from that point kitchen sinkhole |
| 18187s | were actually really able to execute |
| 18189s | really well you've got to give props to |
| 18191s | their tackle to be perfectly honest uh |
| 18193s | they did really well on not all ganging |
| 18195s | on one target but spreading around |
| 18197s | making sure they'd caught as many ships |
| 18200s | as possible communicating the handoffs |
| 18202s | well you actually saw a couple of times |
| 18204s | a fast ship would go in grab one thing |
| 18206s | uh a slower companion like the fly |
| 18209s | catcher would come in grab grab hold of |
| 18211s | it afterwards and then that fast chip |
| 18212s | would move off and grab another ship |
| 18214s | those sort of handoffs uh and making |
| 18217s | sure that you don't have the opportunity |
| 18219s | to press activation on a jump break-in |
| 18222s | or mwd off another couple of cycles and |
| 18225s | just give yourself that little bit more |
| 18226s | time is so so crucial when you're flying |
| 18228s | a rush comp like that that's going to |
| 18230s | need to get pretty much within docking |
| 18232s | range of your opponents to uh properly |
| 18234s | kill them |
| 18236s | you know sometimes something we see with |
| 18238s | drone comps when they go up against a |
| 18240s | team like this is that as soon as one |
| 18243s | person's attacking them will just |
| 18244s | scatter in every direction uh go set on |
| 18246s | beacons get ready to jump around make it |
| 18249s | so that sure Rush comp may have more DPS |
| 18251s | it may have more control it may be able |
| 18253s | to lock people down but it is going to |
| 18255s | have to finish some someone off pack up |
| 18258s | all their belongings get in the car |
| 18259s | drive across the arena and get ready to |
| 18261s | set up again and kill the next person |
| 18263s | and of course the whole time uh your |
| 18266s | drones are just doing what they have |
| 18267s | been programmed to do which is just |
| 18269s | wreck nerds uh Zoo is there anything |
| 18272s | else you think that Alex Cemetery could |
| 18275s | have done here we saw some interesting |
| 18276s | plays from um the kitchen sinkhole team |
| 18279s | with specifically the wobble coming out |
| 18282s | um but yeah let's retire could they |
| 18284s | really have done much more or do you |
| 18285s | think Jin tan kind of covered it |
| 18287s | well I think he covered it but another |
| 18290s | good point he uh touched on to was the |
| 18293s | hugin |
| 18294s | um hugin might have been a bit of a |
| 18296s | wasted points there so it's a Recon a T2 |
| 18299s | uh electronic warfare Cruiser pretty |
| 18301s | much |
| 18302s | um you could say normally that role or |
| 18305s | that slot even with those specific |
| 18307s | points and allocation is a lot better |
| 18309s | support operator spent on something like |
| 18311s | a curse or a rook a falcon |
| 18315s | um I'm not too sure if we're going to be |
| 18316s | seeing arousers in the Jesus yet who |
| 18318s | knows maybe someone's going to do |
| 18319s | something Jackie |
| 18321s | um that's normally where though that |
| 18323s | role actually shines normally when |
| 18324s | you're looking at webs and paints um the |
| 18327s | hyena is so much better more efficient |
| 18329s | more mobile you can even look at 10mn |
| 18332s | options uh which our production has |
| 18333s | mentioned in our chat as well uh becomes |
| 18335s | extremely survivable and it can do |
| 18338s | pretty much everything especially when |
| 18339s | you're going for an armor a hyena |
| 18341s | possibly you know you have you can go |
| 18342s | like double whip paint or you know two |
| 18345s | paints a web so you're not actually |
| 18347s | lacking anything that I you can kind of |
| 18350s | brought so I think that's the biggest |
| 18351s | thing maybe a bit more optimization on |
| 18353s | their comps |
| 18354s | um the other unfortunate thing is |
| 18357s | um so good job for kitchen sink on their |
| 18359s | piling uh but with drones they do we |
| 18362s | speak about obviously starbursting the |
| 18364s | potential that drone comps have to just |
| 18366s | scatter and make that it's a real drag |
| 18368s | to catch them all and you know a lot of |
| 18371s | time wasting travel between but it is a |
| 18373s | double-edged sword that drones |
| 18375s | unfortunately have to travel as well the |
| 18378s | disadvantage that drones have is |
| 18380s | um if you're in space and you have Tech |
| 18382s | overlay and you see lovely blue arrows |
| 18384s | or something we talk a lot about double |
| 18386s | clicking so if you're approaching |
| 18387s | someone and someone is going to your |
| 18390s | there you don't fly towards where they |
| 18392s | were you fly towards their where they're |
| 18394s | going to go you set an entice of course |
| 18396s | unfortunately drones come on do that so |
| 18398s | when someone's ready to go to filing as |
| 18400s | we saw a kitchen sink I can do like |
| 18402s | drones can really lag behind and never |
| 18404s | really catch up to a Target to apply |
| 18406s | especially if they're not the right |
| 18408s | drones they're not the fastest drones in |
| 18409s | their class as well so maybe some better |
| 18412s | optimization on their uh the webs and |
| 18415s | better optimization on their drone |
| 18416s | choices maybe but I will say kitchen |
| 18418s | sink did a good game as well |
| 18421s | yeah so definitely well done the kitchen |
| 18423s | sinkhole |
| 18424s | um going uh one up on uh Alexis Matari |
| 18428s | there let's retiring now a bit of |
| 18429s | pressure to pull out some wins tomorrow |
| 18431s | so we'll see them again as mentioned |
| 18434s | this is a group tournament at this point |
| 18436s | to get to the top of each of the tribes |
| 18439s | now this is an opportunity for isra can |
| 18442s | to take that top position in that tribe |
| 18444s | by going 2-0 as they go up against no |
| 18446s | vacancies let's take a look at the bands |
| 18450s | for this upcoming match and |
| 18452s | who or so what Israel can No Vacancy |
| 18455s | choosing to ban so usual can choosing to |
| 18457s | ban the bar guest and the Scorpion Navy |
| 18459s | issue uh big heavy DPS ships with decent |
| 18463s | amount of control especially that |
| 18464s | scorpion Navy and no vacancies Banning |
| 18467s | the typhoon free tissue and the balgorn |
| 18470s | uh nothing super unsurprising here |
| 18473s | jintan or there's something jump out at |
| 18476s | you |
| 18477s | I think the main thing that jumps out to |
| 18479s | me is ushra Khan Banning two rapid heavy |
| 18481s | missile ships um between the Scorpion |
| 18483s | Navy issue and the Bargas and then that |
| 18485s | combined with the Novak ban of the |
| 18487s | typhoon Fleet issue and again another |
| 18488s | ship that we typically see uh brought |
| 18491s | with rapid Heavies apart from that one |
| 18493s | instance of uh top typhoons |
| 18496s | um kind of makes me think that we're |
| 18498s | going to see a couple of Tech 2 |
| 18500s | Logistics possibly even tech one |
| 18502s | Logistics Cruisers rather than the uh |
| 18504s | the logistics frigates that seem to have |
| 18507s | had much much more prevalence during the |
| 18509s | rest of this feeder because the natural |
| 18511s | predators of them have now been taken |
| 18513s | off the field |
| 18516s | yeah and um do any any further thoughts |
| 18519s | from you and those particular bands um I |
| 18521s | think uh gentan as before you can cover |
| 18524s | it pretty well |
| 18525s | um but I'm just waiting for teams to to |
| 18526s | land on the field right now so any any |
| 18528s | additional Thoughts From You There is a |
| 18531s | um I kind of picked up the same thing on |
| 18532s | the rapid column so that kind of forward |
| 18534s | heavy loaded DPS especially coming from |
| 18536s | those two ships |
| 18538s | um that would really Excel normally uh |
| 18540s | just blitzing off something in the |
| 18542s | cruiser category or something out of |
| 18543s | Cruiser category including uh Cruiser |
| 18546s | Logistics |
| 18547s | um which I don't think we've actually |
| 18549s | been seeing it too much people prefer to |
| 18551s | focus on the freak Logistics and they |
| 18553s | kind of just the uh durability it almost |
| 18556s | gives you um you know a kind of Duo |
| 18559s | tandem-ness of just increasing |
| 18560s | survivability |
| 18562s | um but who knows maybe we're going to |
| 18563s | see some more focus on Cruiser Logic on |
| 18565s | their side and they just felt that |
| 18566s | something that was already weak point of |
| 18568s | theirs and I just want to make sure that |
| 18570s | weak point isn't exploited |
| 18573s | awesome well uh let's not drone on any |
| 18575s | further and uh let's hand over it to the |
| 18578s | match and see if Israel can go 2-0 or if |
| 18581s | no vacancies I can take this W uh with |
| 18585s | your casters fear and moderator |
| 18593s | welcome back to the arena on the red |
| 18595s | side it is ushra Khan bringing an armor |
| 18598s | control with a key Vindicator and |
| 18601s | Tempest Fleet issue the Armageddon has |
| 18602s | lasers on it we'll see how it goes up |
| 18604s | against what do we have here for no |
| 18605s | vacancies moderator |
| 18607s | we have |
| 18610s | no laundry team where no vacancies has |
| 18614s | decided to bring either two or three of |
| 18617s | every well actually they have lodging |
| 18618s | excuse me I cannot read |
| 18620s | um double slept near double Fleet Scythe |
| 18622s | double stabber through the shoe and |
| 18624s | sniper going to make sure that no matter |
| 18626s | what they would not lose on tie break |
| 18628s | with the absurd amount of Minotaur ships |
| 18631s | um that No Vacancy side is all cannons |
| 18635s | um all day no artillery they're just |
| 18637s | going to try to get on top of things at |
| 18639s | zero all coming in at a 15 |
| 18642s | um kilometer warp range interestingly a |
| 18644s | custom warp range uh indicating they've |
| 18647s | probably practiced with that specific |
| 18648s | setup once or twice before uh it would |
| 18651s | not surprise me if they immediately get |
| 18653s | on top of that Tempest Fleet issue in |
| 18655s | Vindicator and immediately chew through |
| 18657s | it |
| 18659s | yeah I mean we've seen the shield Rush |
| 18661s | versus Armor control matchup time and |
| 18663s | time again we'll see if utra Khan can |
| 18665s | actually pull ahead in this one remember |
| 18666s | it's a gun getting so they have a little |
| 18668s | bit more DPS out of that than you would |
| 18669s | normally see with one that just uh uses |
| 18671s | its drones the full nudes but at the |
| 18673s | same time you're not gonna have as much |
| 18675s | of a good time against these uh Scimitar |
| 18677s | and the other uh Shield ships here from |
| 18680s | no vacancies we're off to the start of |
| 18683s | the match though |
| 18684s | one second left we'll see who dives who |
| 18688s | if I'm the disciples I get on top of the |
| 18690s | deacon or the valley I kill those I send |
| 18692s | my shield |
| 18694s | um battle Cruisers and cruisers and kill |
| 18696s | one of the major |
| 18698s | um whole ships instead though they're |
| 18699s | gonna try to kill off the fight Fleet |
| 18701s | issue and the Snapper Fleet issue |
| 18703s | um trading out much better breaking uh |
| 18705s | deep paga and debt meanwhile josefin is |
| 18708s | just taking some Shield damage |
| 18710s | yeah it's like Felicia should just get |
| 18712s | melts as a cave and stab her fleet has |
| 18715s | some Ansel Chargers has I slept near to |
| 18718s | help him uh through this and in fact he |
| 18721s | is not melting to this DPS right now as |
| 18722s | these counterpart debt just died in the |
| 18725s | stabber Fleet as well the guitar role |
| 18728s | play corpse they started the day off |
| 18729s | strong we'll see if both end up one and |
| 18731s | one on the day though as this |
| 18733s | stabberfleet issue of zaphan starts |
| 18735s | going into armor |
| 18738s | is going to drop now going into armor |
| 18740s | but now 40 Winks of The Vindicator is |
| 18743s | going to be the primary and I'm liking |
| 18745s | uh where no vacancies is out a little |
| 18747s | bit more I would like if there's viples |
| 18749s | uh broke off and tried to kill you know |
| 18751s | the demon and the thalias I'd mentioned |
| 18753s | earlier uh probably more efficient than |
| 18755s | trying to just pound everything you know |
| 18758s | full face rush into The Vindicator but |
| 18761s | um they might win anyway |
| 18763s | um 40 Winks already down into Holland |
| 18764s | Sandra Min now down at the hull as well |
| 18767s | but I'm liking this trade much better |
| 18769s | even |
| 18770s | um with the amount of damage going into |
| 18773s | sendermen |
| 18774s | importantly though starcatcher and this |
| 18777s | Auburn again and actually The Sentinel |
| 18778s | of kale are neuting out the Scimitar so |
| 18780s | he's not able to actually give any sort |
| 18781s | of reps as he's trying to run away uh |
| 18785s | from this heavy new pressure this fibble |
| 18787s | of Alex is about to go down but first |
| 18789s | that Vindicator Falls now the only DPS |
| 18791s | left on the field that's actually in the |
| 18793s | middle of the brawl is this Tempest |
| 18794s | Fleet issue |
| 18797s | yeah and unfortunately you see a bunch |
| 18800s | of um Vespa EC 600s from what are |
| 18804s | probably |
| 18805s | um you know some of the core ships on |
| 18807s | the side of ashra Khan but um the |
| 18810s | Scimitar is just burning away he's |
| 18812s | getting well outside of the optimal |
| 18814s | range of those newts and without |
| 18816s | anything really to catch down the |
| 18817s | timetar he's going to be fine he's |
| 18819s | continuing to apply some reps we see |
| 18821s | those effects go out into Alex harico uh |
| 18824s | who's rep down up to uh full shield and |
| 18827s | just bouncing back if he takes damage |
| 18828s | but uh into Miner uh down into low armor |
| 18832s | and no vacancies running away with it |
| 18836s | yeah I mean the shield Rush setup once |
| 18839s | again into these armor control comps uh |
| 18841s | can be very potent because the armor |
| 18843s | control has to execute a much higher |
| 18846s | level than these Shield Rush setups have |
| 18849s | to they just need to get their targets |
| 18850s | right and they have taking out that |
| 18852s | Vindicator about to take out this |
| 18854s | Tempest Fleet issue as well and uh they |
| 18856s | don't even need to talk about these |
| 18857s | logic frags it's all over uh for this |
| 18860s | one and for the second time today team |
| 18863s | goes one and one so tomorrow is going to |
| 18866s | be big for them and it's out of their |
| 18867s | hands for both these memstar role play |
| 18869s | corpse as uh whether or not they make it |
| 18873s | in on tie breaks |
| 18876s | foreign yeah definitely going to be |
| 18879s | um |
| 18880s | very |
| 18882s | um influential with the amount of the |
| 18884s | Minotaur holes being the tie break |
| 18886s | format uh now is Harkin in the Thalia |
| 18890s | goes down |
| 18892s | um this will be the first match we've |
| 18894s | actually seen out of |
| 18896s | um no vacancies |
| 18898s | um thus far in this event so they still |
| 18900s | have one more to play to try to |
| 18903s | demonstrate you know their prouts in the |
| 18905s | bracket and you know |
| 18907s | essentially getting a near perfect |
| 18909s | Victory is a good way to start that as a |
| 18911s | star catcher will be the next primary |
| 18913s | for Novak |
| 18916s | yeah there's not a whole lot left uh to |
| 18918s | say about this one no vacancies just |
| 18920s | execute better uh Usher Khan I mean they |
| 18923s | tried to go for that Scimitar with this |
| 18926s | gun get in but the cemetery outran them |
| 18928s | eventually they weren't able to turn off |
| 18929s | this prop and uh unfortunately even |
| 18933s | taking the Scimitar out of the fight for |
| 18934s | as long as they did uh it just was not |
| 18937s | enough to turn the ties in their favor |
| 18940s | so we've been talking a lot about |
| 18942s | control setups and |
| 18945s | one of the kind of the tenets of the |
| 18947s | control setups is that in order to beat |
| 18949s | a rush that if what you need to do is |
| 18951s | you need to be able to pull apart |
| 18955s | um these Rush setups and prevent the |
| 18957s | rough setups from being able to really |
| 18958s | get a critical mass of you know a death |
| 18961s | ball on top of you that can break |
| 18963s | through your core and then try to you |
| 18965s | know just Whittle them out grind them |
| 18966s | out get those new Supply and pressure |
| 18968s | shut off hardeners and eventually take |
| 18970s | the match but that's not really |
| 18972s | something you can do when you warp your |
| 18975s | entire core at zero and you're all with |
| 18977s | 15 you know kilometers away from a rush |
| 18980s | comp that will instantly get on top of |
| 18982s | you uh before locks even resolve for |
| 18986s | either team and no vacancies was able to |
| 18989s | get on top of those battleships and once |
| 18991s | they did they secured your wish win |
| 18993s | condition |
| 18996s | yeah I mean uh we'll see uh what the |
| 18999s | dust thinks about this matchup but I do |
| 19001s | think uh this is just a another win for |
| 19004s | shield Rush maybe we see a repeat of uh |
| 19007s | last year with a dominant Shield Rush |
| 19009s | meta we'll see what the desk thinks |
| 19010s | though take it away guys |
| 19024s | apart |
| 19069s | foreign |
| 19099s | getting dunked upon there by an entire |
| 19103s | Minotaur uh to slept nears7 Tara two |
| 19107s | Fleet size two stopper Fleet and three |
| 19109s | is V pools so just relying on that |
| 19113s | tiebreaker there are no vacancies taking |
| 19115s | a solid solid win over extra pounds so |
| 19118s | both memitar role player teams going one |
| 19119s | and one today and that means that |
| 19122s | they're going to be fighting for their |
| 19124s | positions tomorrow as the alliance |
| 19127s | tournament 18 mimitar prayable trials |
| 19130s | will continue then that was the last |
| 19133s | match of the day uh thank you Imperium |
| 19135s | news I saw you rated us a little bit |
| 19137s | late uh not the first time you've been |
| 19139s | late to report on something but there we |
| 19140s | are |
| 19142s | um now we have to take one moment to |
| 19145s | thank the people that make this possible |
| 19146s | of course uh CSP zealous has been an |
| 19148s | absolute hero in the background making |
| 19149s | everything actually work and get |
| 19151s | together but he has got a whole team of |
| 19153s | people GMS and some CCP dares to help |
| 19155s | them out uh we've got a GM style or GM |
| 19159s | Maverick koi Ashi GM goat and czp Swift |
| 19163s | there uh they've been the ones uh doing |
| 19165s | the referee uh refereeing teleporting |
| 19168s | people around and pushing the buttons to |
| 19169s | make the game happen of course behind |
| 19171s | the scene here we have a discrete error |
| 19174s | who's been putting all the stuff up on |
| 19175s | the screen and generally tracking |
| 19177s | everything we have uh art J as our main |
| 19180s | streamer and apparently now myself as |
| 19183s | Deputy mainstreamer for when that goes |
| 19185s | wrong and of course all of our casters |
| 19187s | and commentators today uh Wingnut cross |
| 19189s | didn't Han do Jack CCP Swift for |
| 19192s | stepping in uh moderator firvana Alec |
| 19196s | and Blackboard pirate and of course not |
| 19198s | forgetting uh mystical Knight and |
| 19200s | zurijat Destroyer on the desk with me I |
| 19204s | have been Ithaca Hawk |
| 19206s | um thank you very much for watching we |
| 19208s | will see you tomorrow for more spaceship |
| 19210s | on spaceship violence stick around and |
| 19212s | enjoy the raid see you then |
| 19238s | thank you |