[2023] EVE Online | Alliance Tournament XIX - Feeders - Day 3 | EVE Online Dev Tracker

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5s	Warriors of Legend
14s	hallowed and venerated Among the Stars
17s	themselves
23s	[Music]
26s	for those bold enough to join this
28s	Gladiators Pantheon
31s	this gallery of Champions
36s	is only one rule
40s	winner
42s	stays on
56s	welcome back to the alliance tournament
58s	19 at feeders I am today's host
60s	Blackbird pirate joined by a wonderful
62s	cast of commentators and Analysis both
64s	old and new I'm also joined by CCP
67s	overload whose job I have temporarily
69s	taken just for the day uh CP overload
72s	how are you I'm great thank you Bart how
74s	are you
75s	oh I'm doing super fantastic I am I'm in
78s	your chair and you're in my chair in a
80s	different chair and uh obviously also
83s	joined by Misty a wonderful wonderful
84s	mystical might uh lead head FC of
87s	fraternity sometimes how are you doing
89s	today yeah not doing too bad not doing
92s	too bad looking forward to some good
93s	games today
94s	excellent well we do have uh quite a lot
96s	of games and if it's anything like last
98s	weekend it should be a wonderful and
100s	awesome time we had very very many
103s	spaceship explosions last weekend lots
105s	of people getting blasted people getting
107s	left out people making it through and
109s	people that are going to be fighting for
110s	their lives today and we actually have I
114s	think about 11 or 12 matches today some
116s	people will be leaving some people will
117s	be making it to our final massive round
120s	robin uh event tomorrow so remember to
124s	tune in tomorrow as well which we will
125s	go all over about that later uh CP
128s	overload has there been any matches that
130s	you've watched that you were like oh
131s	this is amazing like are you excited for
133s	today are you super pumped for any of
135s	these teams
136s	Ayan there's a couple of really good
138s	matches uh last week uh that we saw some
140s	of them went really down to the wire but
141s	today uh after the break we have
144s	Pandemic Legion versus White Flag which
145s	I'm looking forward to I think that's
146s	going to be a super interesting match
148s	white flag uh look like there are going
150s	to be a really tough team to beat PL
151s	I've got a bit of a chip in their
152s	shoulder to prove that they're uh good
155s	again
156s	um and then we have boundary experts
157s	versus fraternity that's also going to
159s	be a pretty spicy match I think so some
161s	really good matches today
164s	awesome what about you Misty I mean I'm
167s	gonna have to second the fraternity
168s	match of course I think that should be
170s	pretty interesting to see I'm also
172s	looking forward to seeing how hidden
174s	Leaf Village Ninja Assassin Squad
177s	Esports whatever the their name is
179s	performs as well since they're a
181s	tournament regular so I thought we had a
183s	rule that we weren't supposed to
184s	pronounce their entire name I don't
186s	think we pronounced the name correctly
188s	so it's okay I don't know if the rule
190s	stands that's fair
191s	all right uh so we do have like we said
194s	we have both of those matches or all
195s	three of those matches we have a lot of
196s	actually big name uh TQ teams playing
199s	today so uh we have Castro Valley
201s	schooling versus deep prey love as our
203s	first match in about five minutes here
204s	and then test Alliance versus whole
206s	control bright side of death versus sons
208s	of Bane uh x877 versus
212s	hlv-n-a-s-e there's probably a better
214s	way to pronounce that but I am not going
216s	to because I will make it even worse uh
219s	also we have high SEC miners going up
221s	against a team to be decided they have
223s	to win first pandemic Legion going up
225s	against White Flag boundary experts
227s	versus fraternity laser Hawks versus I
228s	could do better only cows versus
230s	pandemic horde uh Roku pelvis to shut up
233s	I'm trying and of essence versus
234s	strikara so we have a lot of pretty big
236s	names both in the tournament and in TQ
239s	but all of that being said let's look at
242s	this first match so cast abouts versus
243s	the play love I believe this is an
246s	elimination match is that correct uh CP
248s	overload I've seen you nod all right it
249s	is yeah this is an elimination match so
251s	so um the way the format works is round
254s	one if you win your match you're in to
256s	the alliance tournament that's it no
257s	more feeders for you if you lose you
259s	drop into an elimination bracket and you
261s	have to fight through a whole bunch of
262s	uh of matches to to get a spot so the
265s	first couple of matches today are both
267s	elimination matches so whoever loses
269s	these goes home
273s	excellent so hopefully they end up not
276s	going home but hey we will see what
278s	happened I do believe we actually have
280s	the bands for this match so maybe we can
283s	uh use our magical powers of analysis to
287s	predict something and not look silly so
290s	we have cast about spanning the bargist
291s	in the hinya and we have pretty love
293s	banding of the burgers and the curse
295s	with the trickle ban of the Loki and the
297s	slutner a misty what do you what do you
299s	think about that I think the henya ban
301s	is a pretty common one to see when teams
304s	want to remove some form of control and
305s	application
306s	um so it implies that cost abouts don't
308s	want to be in a study dealing with any
309s	long-range kiting
311s	um comps that can protect that damage
312s	because dajin is very good for helping
314s	with that application the ball guest is
316s	one of those common ships that you would
317s	see in those cases and I think that's
319s	backed up by the Loki ban as well which
321s	again removes another strong webbing
323s	ship from uh from the rotation and the
326s	castle sleptner I think are common bands
328s	interesting band on the slept near it's
330s	just trying to remove I think an element
332s	of the inventory rush I don't think fly
334s	killer is that common anymore and for
336s	those who are unaware fly killer is
338s	using RT slipkners to project damage and
341s	just try and volley the small ships in
343s	your hostile comp and then slowly
345s	whittling down the larger ones so um
348s	yeah I mean pretty standard bones I
350s	think it should be fairly interesting to
351s	see what they bring
353s	pretty standard bands indeed CCP
356s	overload do you have any predictions on
357s	what you expect to see here since uh
360s	Misty handled the analysis of the band
361s	so well
363s	um well I mean both sides saying we
365s	don't really want to see kiting and
366s	obviously the curses are super powerful
368s	we were platform with his guidance
369s	disruptors and tracking disruptors so it
371s	looks like both sides wanting to face
374s	something kind of close in and usually
376s	when you try and make your opponents
378s	bring something close and it usually
380s	means you want the kite
381s	um because then they're not going to
383s	hurt you from from range so I would kind
385s	of expect that they're going to bring
386s	something in kanakaity maybe we see
388s	something a bit a bit dorky like maybe
390s	some Nighthawks or something like that
391s	but uh I guess we'll guess we'll find
393s	out soon
395s	yes we did see uh we saw a lot of
397s	Nighthawk and shield rushes on the
400s	second day I believe the first day was
402s	kind of a combination of all sorts of
404s	different stuff a little bit of gallante
405s	Rush going on but the second day
407s	everyone went back to a uh I'd say to
409s	the alliance opened that's almost three
410s	years ago where people were running
413s	Shield rushes into each other the entire
414s	time so uh we will see about that um I
417s	think we've talked about it we will
419s	definitely talk about it further but I
421s	think most of us don't actually like
422s	Nighthawk field rushes so
426s	yeah they are they are interesting to
428s	cast but we will uh see if they're any
431s	good um other than that the channel
433s	Point predictions are in we will
434s	actually talk about Channel points a
436s	little bit more after this match because
438s	I know some people were kind of asking
440s	questions about it uh but with all that
442s	being said it does look like it is
445s	massively in favor of eat pretty love
447s	here so I'm gonna get some quick
448s	predictions here a misty which team do
451s	you think is going to win
452s	based on the two comps that they brought
455s	or rather both teams brought
457s	um last weekend I think cost about has a
459s	good shot at winning to be honest if
460s	they bring the same thing I think if
462s	they execute well they'll have a solid
463s	chance of getting through
465s	all right and uh CCP overload which one
468s	are which team do you think is going to
469s	be the Glorious winners here well I've
471s	never actually seen twitch chat be wrong
473s	about anything uh so I'm going to go
475s	with what they say which is Eat Pray
476s	Love
478s	you've never seen twitch pet be wrong
480s	about anything yeah
482s	ah excellent that is probably the best
485s	thing to do is just not read twitch chat
487s	uh I personally love reading twitch chat
489s	I think that they have fantastic
490s	insights and uh you could say that I'm
492s	one of the people in twitch chat uh so
495s	I'm going to say that uh Eat Pray Love
498s	is going to win here just to you know be
500s	super unoriginal however I bet all my
501s	points on the other team because the
503s	odds were so good and with that both
505s	teams have actually landed in the arena
506s	and we are going to send it over to our
509s	commentary pair of fear and Alec
515s	hello and welcome to the arena my name
518s	is hirvana joined by Alexa card and on
520s	the red side of the Arena it is cast
523s	about bringing dual megathron Navy plus
526s	a Domi Navy lots of blasters lots of
529s	high damage we'll see how this looks but
532s	have you pray Love Brought
534s	Eat Pray Love have a very Brawley drone
538s	set up with double Oregon and navy
540s	issues than EOS two Tech Two logistic
542s	ships and a sentinel for control very
544s	interesting match up here it is going to
547s	be bloody and fast
549s	indeed it is I'm just trying to double
552s	check and verify that these are in fact
554s	blasters and it does look like that is
556s	the the case here uh from these megathar
559s	navies indominus Navy issues it will say
561s	it's rapid Heavies on the Armageddon
563s	Navy issues this is a comp or something
565s	similar to a comp that we've seen neat
567s	prayer love use very effectively against
569s	a lot of different shutups including
570s	Shield rush but they did lose last week
573s	to uh plug and play in this exact
576s	conference as a shield Rush matchup this
577s	time they're up against something a
578s	little bit more armor uh Centric and a
581s	little bit slower so we'll see how that
583s	works out for them off the start a
585s	little bit of damage going on to the
587s	Sentinel uh as they want to take the
589s	e-war off the field heretic also getting
591s	a bit of damage from uh cast abouts as
594s	well
594s	meanwhile the mervidon Navy issue and
596s	the hurricane Fleet issue drawing the
598s	majority of the aggro looks like they're
600s	now choosing to consolidate onto the
602s	mermaidon Navy issue of the cast abouts
604s	team he's taking a withering amount of
606s	fire as he's beginning to dip into armor
608s	here going down slowly but surely as
611s	Focus fire seems to be a slight bit of a
613s	problem they're still doing damage to
615s	the hurricane Fleet issue and now the
617s	drones have moved over this mermaidon is
619s	about to be hit with an extra wave of
621s	drones he's currently singing half armor
623s	and dropping rather rapidly
625s	but as far as them and the Sentinel
626s	already down into Hull uh the e-war
629s	trade is pretty important as you look at
630s	the control bar from uh the side of you
633s	pray love it's very girthy especially
635s	compared to their attack bar kind of a
637s	uh difference between the two teams we
639s	see this Ramadan Navy issue is all the
641s	way into uh 35 armor remaining uh and
644s	I'd have to imagine that with the Dual
648s	T1 lodgy frags it's not gonna hold for
650s	much longer as a sentinel watch those
652s	caught reps completely from this
653s	deconthalia combo was able to burn away
655s	from the guns and uh is living to win
658s	for the time being Ivory M Nova will be
661s	first Blood of the match uh going over
663s	to Eat Pray Love
664s	yeah the Sentinel assurism is surrounded
667s	by a cloud of Warriors but the logistics
669s	are keeping up despite that as I say
671s	that he just drops uh possibly a
674s	capacitor issue not sure but that is a
676s	good trade for Eat Pray Love they're
679s	loving that trade right now even as
681s	Chadwick's Armageddon does start to take
683s	a pretty worrying amount of damage
685s	yeah it's in a half armor right now
687s	they're swapping their focus on to JM
690s	Burrell in the megathorn Navy issue now
692s	with dual rapid heavy ships it's not
694s	going to be very easy uh to actually
696s	break through the uh tank of heavy armor
700s	battleships but as I say that they're
701s	actually bursting through this armor
703s	quite effectively this megathon Navy
705s	issue remember he doesn't have a rep
706s	bonus like the dog or like the Domi Navy
708s	does so they've got them all the way
710s	down into structure I'm really surprised
712s	actually how fast they were able to take
714s	down that armor with the Dual rabbit
716s	heavy setup I'll tell you what he
718s	doesn't have any armor meaning but what
720s	he does have is a pile of structure hit
722s	points the way that bar is dropping I
724s	have to assume that it's a structure
725s	tanked megathron Navy oh my God and that
729s	would explain the T1 lodgy as well yeah
731s	this structure it's an interesting B we
734s	don't typically see whole tank ships all
736s	that often and at as the tholio goes
738s	down from you pray love Chadwick
740s	actually now in a lot of trouble 14
742s	armor remaining uh you pray love last
746s	year's nanofiber tokens were in an
747s	uptank their arm we got Navy issues four
749s	setups like this but right now these
751s	rapid Heavies they've realized you're
753s	not actually going to be able to clip
755s	anything and now Chadwick he's all the
756s	way into structure this actually could
758s	be castabouts winning in a major twitch
760s	chat upset if Chadwick goes down and
763s	they're not able to trade back onto this
764s	Mega Navy
765s	this is a devastating turn of events for
768s	ye Pray Love they were really hoping
770s	that megathron was armor tanked it's not
772s	the case he's got an absolutely massive
775s	structure buffer which is a feature of
777s	galenti ships they naturally have a lot
779s	of structure hit points they can be fit
782s	such a way that that explodes that hit
784s	points tremendously as now you pray love
786s	is dropping rapidly their lower end is
788s	absolutely melting now that they've lost
790s	their Logistics frigates a heretic about
792s	to go down for 10 arrests meanwhile Jay
795s	still hanging in there at like 20
797s	structure this megathon Navy is tanking
800s	to win here
802s	well R.I.P my 190 000 Channel points by
805s	the way I should not have gone all in
807s	here but uh either way I mean cast
809s	about's really making uh a great showing
812s	of it Jay umbrell will go down but they
814s	still have significantly more attack bar
816s	uh compared to the side of Eat Pray Love
820s	now you pray love still has bonus Nudes
822s	on the Armageddon Navy issue might be
823s	able to turn off the guns of one of
824s	these ships but I mean look at this
826s	attack bar it's almost twice the size uh
829s	for cast abouts right now and right now
831s	the points say 38 to 37 but that's not
833s	telling the whole story this EOS right
835s	now a 19 armor remaining doesn't have
837s	any Logistics frigates to keep him up
839s	they are uh the wolf pack I should say
841s	for meat prayer love going on the low
843s	end of cast abouts right now they're
845s	taking down this Federation Navy comment
847s	pretty effectively they might be able to
848s	take down the smallest smallest Navy
849s	issue and now the rapid heavy seem to be
851s	split or seem to be going on in this
853s	doming Navy issue of red house but it
855s	also looks pretty whole tanked right now
857s	yeah the most demoralizing feature about
860s	this match for Eat Pray Love right now
861s	is realize that both the Dominic's Navy
864s	and megathron navy are almost certainly
866s	fit the same way as their EOS drops this
869s	Armageddon Navy issue and vexer navy
871s	issue now the sole sources of DPS on the
873s	Eat Pray Love team and the vexer is now
876s	drawing The Lion's Share of fire as soon
878s	as that heretic goes down looks like he
880s	may be up next the arbitrator does have
882s	a drone damage bonus but it's not
885s	probably fit up to do a ton of damage
887s	and even if it was it's poultry compared
890s	to the hit point bars of the Domi Navy
892s	and the megathron Navy the cast about's
894s	defense bar is still off the scale with
897s	half of their team dead
900s	yeah it's pretty pretty uh brutal right
904s	now for you pray love uh especially
907s	because I have rapid Heavies I can't
908s	really clip through the Dominic's Navy
910s	issue uh this is one of the things that
912s	an army got Navy if you have the option
914s	to go lasers or rapid Heavies we
916s	typically see rapid Heavies from a lot
918s	of different teams because they're very
919s	good at killing specific ships uh on the
922s	enemy team typically battle crews are in
923s	down but as we see here when they're
925s	trying to get a single rapid heavy ship
926s	versus a battleship that's whole tanked
928s	it really hurts to have those rapid
930s	heavy reloads on the team uh Siobhan
933s	meanwhile aspects are navy issue about
934s	to go down same thing with the pawn
936s	effects of Tyson I will point out this
938s	effects or navy issue contrary to what I
940s	think we see a lot of in the at uh with
943s	you know full rack of newts on it uh I
945s	do believe actually has guns so uh let
948s	me just double check the model again uh
950s	nope uh he's I think he might actually
953s	be full nude either way uh still going
956s	down pretty effectively I mean just look
958s	at the puny attack bar now they saw a
961s	pretty strong control bar I will say
963s	maybe they can get some newts out but uh
965s	with only this Army got a Navy issue of
967s	available on this arbitrator doing
969s	tracking disruption it doesn't look like
971s	it will be enough for them and cast
973s	about's pulling off a pretty big upset
975s	here up against deep prey love who are
977s	now out in two
979s	this is a massive massive upset you
983s	heard it on the analyst desk before the
984s	match started you saw it in the the
987s	channel Point prediction ratio here in
990s	stream chat everyone thought you pray
991s	love which is a rather Elite small gang
993s	Alliance would take this well in hand
995s	against castabouts who are a pretty
997s	solid but traditionally not terribly
1000s	successful uh tournament team but here
1003s	we have castabouts out Theory crafting
1005s	the small gang Alliance and absolutely
1008s	breaking them with it just a sheer
1010s	weight of their hit point bar just
1013s	falling on top of them with an absolute
1014s	unit amount of structure hit points
1017s	yeah Massive Attack bar massive defense
1020s	bar not able to really utilize that
1023s	control I would say from eat prayer love
1025s	side uh last year they placed top beta
1027s	Santa fiber tokens this year
1030s	they're not able to do that they're not
1031s	even going to make it a name uh main
1033s	tournament which
1035s	uh a bit of a surprise I think most
1037s	people expected you pray love to make it
1039s	in uh especially you know Channel Point
1042s	predictions before uh the year match
1045s	against uh Plug and Play I think a lot
1048s	of people expect them to make it end so
1050s	quite a bit of an upset but uh quite a
1053s	bit of a tournament disappointment for
1055s	Yeet prayer love but we'll see them next
1057s	year we'll see how they go meanwhile
1058s	castabouts well done to them uh for
1061s	those who don't know who cast abouts is
1062s	they are basically a uh Alliance built
1067s	out of the rookie Corp center for
1069s	advanced studies as a way to get new
1071s	players into doing other things into the
1073s	game they're kind of the only Corp like
1075s	them in uh Eve online and something that
1078s	we've seen a lot of uh from them in the
1081s	past as we've seen them have tournament
1082s	teams that haven't necessarily gone
1083s	super well in theaters but they've
1086s	actually maintained a lot of their
1087s	pilots from last year which is a bit
1089s	surprising considering how high turnover
1091s	that Corp name typically is so I like
1093s	seeing this from them and I uh wish some
1096s	luck in their next match versus high SEC
1098s	minors
1100s	that should be a very thrilling match
1102s	this match just wrapping up now we've
1105s	got about 50 to 45 seconds left this
1108s	Dominic's Navy is still hanging in there
1110s	with about 10 structure remaining as
1112s	they get a Navy of icer XX is now
1115s	dipping into one-third armor unlike the
1118s	galenti battleships Amar not known for
1120s	the structure tanking as that uh it may
1124s	have some local reps but it's not going
1126s	to be enough against the sheer amount of
1127s	damage coming off the hurricane Fleet
1130s	dummy Navy and mega Navy even if this
1132s	dummy goes down it is likely that
1134s	getting may even drop before we this
1137s	match expires here as we're coming close
1139s	to time
1140s	yeah he had his rapid heavy reload was
1142s	able to take down the Army Navy just a
1144s	bit of a moral Victory uh but really
1146s	nice whole tank Bank from cast abouts uh
1149s	this is the kind of theory crafting that
1151s	you occasionally see in theaters or you
1154s	bring something a little bit weird
1155s	something you typically don't associate
1156s	with the at and then uh you see
1159s	sometimes it works because people aren't
1161s	expecting it or they might be
1162s	underestimating your team which I think
1164s	might be the case in this particular
1166s	match so really well played to cast
1168s	about so the match is over we're going
1170s	to send it back to the desk and when we
1171s	return we will have a new match with a
1174s	new set of commentators
1176s	bro remember me
1182s	[Music]
1188s	[Music]
1192s	anywhere
1195s	[Music]
1208s	thank you
1220s	[Music]
1234s	and with that ye pray love has been
1237s	yeeded out of the feeders and quite
1239s	unfortunate for them but also quite
1241s	unfortunate for that massive Channel
1242s	Point upset uh I believe we were talking
1245s	about it beforehand we saw it was 85
1247s	percent chance that cast abouts lost
1251s	there and they didn't so I think we're
1253s	gonna actually segue a little bit here
1255s	because we were going to talk about
1256s	Channel points and now we get to talk
1257s	about a massive Channel Point upset so
1259s	CCP overload as somebody with the letter
1261s	CCP in front of your name and we're on
1263s	the CCP Channel therefore you must know
1264s	everything about everything that goes on
1266s	here tell us about Channel points
1268s	okay so Channel points they're awesome
1272s	um you you earn Channel points simply by
1274s	watching streams on CCP twitch Channel
1276s	doesn't have to be just the feeders uh
1278s	it can be anything that's streamed on
1279s	the CCP twitch channel uh and you see
1281s	how many Channel points you've got uh
1282s	just underneath your your text box in
1284s	the in the chat window occasionally that
1286s	even pops up unless you click and get a
1288s	little extra bonus 50 and you can trade
1290s	those in for pretty cool prizes uh
1292s	usually it's the galnet streamcast Skins
1295s	which are which are awesome
1297s	um so in order to do that you need to
1300s	connect your Twitch account to your Eve
1302s	account with uh with our bought the eve
1304s	to Twitch pod and you do that simply by
1306s	typing exclamation mark IGN followed by
1308s	your Eve character name in twitch chat
1311s	uh that bot will do that and then once
1313s	you've accumulated around 10 000 Channel
1315s	points and you claim one of these skins
1317s	it'll be sent to you in game as a male
1320s	in the inbox of the character you
1322s	registered with the eve to Twitch bot so
1324s	you get a mail with the code and that's
1326s	how you get your skin during tournaments
1329s	like this you can you can actually wager
1331s	those Channel points as we saw in that
1332s	last match uh on the outcome of matches
1335s	and if you correctly predict uh the
1338s	winner uh then all the points weighted
1340s	by the losing side get distributed to
1342s	The Winning Side
1343s	sometimes we do Raffles as well
1345s	um and skins for those Raffles uh can be
1347s	different they can be gannard ones as
1349s	well so we can keep up with that and if
1351s	you if you lost all your Twitch Channel
1352s	points in that last match you can type
1354s	exclamation mark refund and get them
1357s	back so
1359s	yeah I don't uh I don't know if that
1360s	last part is completely true here but
1362s	hey what you know what do I know right
1363s	I'm not I'm not a CCP guy I'll wait and
1366s	see how many people type exclamation
1367s	marks we'll see I see one
1373s	those are independent you're not getting
1375s	them back
1376s	yep but hey that's okay because there
1379s	are many many more matches to continue
1381s	to try and make back all of your points
1383s	and who knows maybe you'll uh get lucky
1384s	bet on an upset and get several thousand
1387s	points like some of us did
1389s	um all that being said let's talk about
1391s	that match because that was actually a
1392s	really fantastic match to start off the
1395s	day with and uh Misty you had a bunch of
1397s	notes on that match so uh we'll throw it
1399s	over to you real quick yeah absolutely I
1401s	think the the two things I want to take
1403s	away from that match is actually
1404s	focusing on the lower end of the comp so
1407s	looking at the frigate and the Destroyer
1409s	play
1410s	um there was a lot happening in the
1411s	match so I'll leave some things for
1412s	Ithaca to talk about well CCP I have a
1414s	lot to talk about
1416s	um mazic I believe in the Thalia did an
1419s	amazing job of keeping the Sentinel
1421s	alive towards the beginning of the match
1423s	there were a swarm of light drones
1425s	around the Sentinel and he did a really
1427s	effective job of splitting his reps
1428s	between the gedon Navy and the Sentinel
1431s	so that he was able to keep the Sentinel
1433s	up while also making sure that the
1435s	getting Navy was remaining alive while
1437s	they killed the EOS I believe it was
1440s	unfortunately the Sentinel still
1442s	eventually died but I thought that was a
1444s	really good way of using a logistics
1446s	frigate because you have to manage your
1447s	range from the targets that you want to
1449s	wrap I think the optimal for an armor up
1451s	is about 13 kilometers so it's by no
1454s	means easy to position so I think that
1456s	was great and the other thing that I saw
1458s	was I believe uh nazgath in the
1463s	Federation Navy Comet running around and
1465s	actually hunting these Logistics
1466s	frigates using that light swarm that was
1469s	on the Sentinel to actually do enough
1471s	damage to the logistics frigates to
1472s	break through the Reps that will be
1473s	coming in and then clearing those off
1476s	the grid so I think that was excellent
1477s	offensive play
1479s	but then I also want to point out and
1481s	this is a bit of a Learning lesson and
1482s	Tyson in the pontifex towards the end of
1485s	that match was sitting right next to a
1487s	mega Navy and a Dominic's Navy not the
1490s	best place to be if you're in a
1491s	destroyer that has all of the links that
1493s	your team needs to remain alive I would
1496s	recommend in the case where you have no
1498s	more Logistics available when your team
1500s	is trying to pull away to minimum to
1502s	minimize the amount of damage they're
1503s	taking because you have the range
1505s	control advantage against Blaster boats
1508s	you probably want to be following your
1510s	team out so that you're not just staying
1511s	behind and dying because those links are
1513s	super important later on in those
1515s	matches
1518s	all right well do you have anything to
1520s	add with that uh CCP overload
1524s	muted muterator no um
1528s	we knew someone was going to get struck
1530s	at that time it was me uh it was a super
1532s	interesting match uh it looked like at
1534s	the start uh we saw uh you pray love
1537s	doing pretty good screening
1539s	um it looked like they were in a good
1541s	position and it all sort of started to
1543s	fall apart uh one interesting little
1544s	tidbit that I'd like to share with you
1546s	guys is I've been delving recently
1548s	through all the code for the tournament
1550s	Tool uh and things like the the UI and
1553s	stuff an armor shield and Hull hit
1555s	points which are displayed in the UI
1558s	um Hull is actually tracked in the tool
1560s	officially as honor points
1563s	um like whoever recorded it together put
1566s	them in his owner points so it's
1567s	literally according to the alliance
1569s	tournament tournament tool honor tanking
1571s	that's what we just saw there
1573s	excellent well they did do a fantastic
1576s	job on our tanking uh it is always fun
1578s	watching a hall tanked setup win uh
1581s	perhaps there were some things that uh
1583s	cast abouts could have done a little
1584s	better perhaps there's some things that
1586s	he uh you pray love could have done
1587s	better like winning but at the end of
1589s	the day uh one of the teams has moved on
1591s	one of the teams has not and we will be
1593s	moving on to another match uh in just a
1596s	little bit actually so we're going to be
1598s	having a test Alliance please ignore
1599s	versus whole control uh both of these
1602s	teams have been performing relatively
1604s	decently I think uh maybe Hull control
1607s	performed a little worse than would be
1609s	expected just because they are in an
1610s	elimination match Misty how do you feel
1612s	about these teams
1614s	I mean just going into this next match I
1617s	have to assume that twitch chat is going
1619s	to take the side of whole control
1621s	um to be the favorites I think that
1624s	whole control setup that they brought
1626s	last time was fairly okay I think it was
1629s	Heavy Rush with a lot of cardari trips I
1631s	can't remember if they were kaiting or
1632s	rushing I can see their comp there was
1634s	like two Navy Drakes another Drake
1636s	another Cyclone two nebucharicals so I'm
1639s	leaning towards Rush which is a lot of
1641s	damage and it's really easy to execute
1643s	with the test side I believe they
1646s	brought the standard like three
1648s	battleships that we're typically seeing
1650s	at the moment
1651s	um which I think they would probably
1652s	suffer quite drastically against a rush
1654s	comp
1655s	but I'm hoping that test has something
1657s	in the bag and they have 10 Pilots today
1659s	because it seems like the additional
1661s	pilot that they found really is the
1663s	recipe for winning their matches
1665s	absolutely and uh real quick we'll look
1667s	at the bands here a test band The
1669s	carries the caracal Navy issue and whole
1672s	Control Band The Scimitar and the Loki
1674s	uh scimitars pretty powerful ships
1677s	Loki's being one of the key members of
1679s	that Rush that we uh really like to see
1682s	here but the teams are actually on grid
1685s	right now so uh we will talk more about
1687s	these guys after the match is complete
1689s	and we can say haha we were right even
1691s	though we didn't actually say anything
1693s	beforehand so we're just going to go
1694s	straight to the arena with uh jinton and
1697s	Wingnut as our Caster commentary pair
1703s	hello everyone and welcome to Sunny 6q
1706s	5k-5 I'm joined with Wingnut and we're
1709s	about to watch test Alliance please
1710s	ignore go up against whole control and
1713s	we see whole control here having brought
1715s	a very very high DPS comp relying on two
1717s	abundance of two executive Navy issues
1719s	and then a whole Suite of support to try
1722s	and lock down their opponents to be able
1724s	to apply that what of test Alliance
1726s	please ignore brought here
1727s	twin rapid heavy Armageddon names with a
1730s	Hyperion for extra damage as well as a
1732s	lot of the low end control as well hyena
1734s	and moles are going to be very potent
1735s	combo but there is a nurgle and a verb
1738s	Mac on the other side who I suspect
1740s	they're going to have a very fun time
1741s	just chewing these small ships alive as
1743s	the match comes under the way yeah I
1745s	think what this match is really going to
1746s	come down to is how well tests tackle
1749s	can get through that incredibly that
1752s	kind of uh back line of the nergo or the
1754s	red Mac the Magnus the things that are
1756s	going to try and slow them down if they
1757s	can get all of that DPS from their top
1759s	end into position onto any of those
1761s	Cruisers they are going to evaporate
1763s	even under Guardian race I will say that
1765s	just looking at the outset here the
1767s	combat going against is actually almost
1769s	a perfect candidate in some ways
1770s	abandon's backed by a guardian with
1773s	rapid Heavies and a Hyperion is going to
1775s	be pain you see the hyena already going
1778s	straight through Shields into armor
1779s	luckily they've got the there are lodgy
1781s	frigs but
1782s	if that goes down immediately you lose a
1784s	lot of help that these ships really need
1786s	for the rapid Heavies yeah whole control
1788s	here is really just trying to Leverage
1789s	The Great tracking that they have from
1791s	those three Cruisers the exact Navy is
1793s	and the vet mag which will allow them to
1795s	apply really effectively to those small
1797s	ships but you can see it you know they
1799s	only have so much time to work with here
1801s	DPS is already going on that eni and the
1803s	hyena might be going into half armor
1805s	here but even if it dies at this point
1806s	it's done its job these battleships are
1808s	getting into position they're about to
1809s	start unloading DPS you can see that red
1811s	bar for Hulk for uh test Alliance please
1814s	ignore creeping up and up taking over
1816s	where hole controls is this if this
1818s	turns into a race it's not going to be
1819s	good for old control
1821s	at the moment the rapid heavy is going
1822s	on to the executive I believe the
1824s	hyperior was about to tackle the uh
1825s	abandon but actually backed off which in
1827s	my opinion is a very smart call that is
1829s	the last thing you want to try and take
1831s	down with your with your comp with the
1833s	guardian still on grid see now damage
1835s	getting spread to the Magus as well so
1836s	both teams just trying to find an
1837s	opening the problem of course being that
1839s	testifying rapid Heavies they can't
1841s	really make the mistake of firing
1842s	something then reload it takes like a
1844s	minute to fix that problem oh look at
1845s	that Sapporo drones he's been caught
1847s	sleeping seeing a zero Ms and a bunch of
1850s	battleships burning on him and
1852s	destroying his armor oh my God those
1855s	thaliers and deacons are gonna have to
1856s	burn across the arena to keep him up as
1858s	well
1859s	random note as well there is they have
1861s	no way to kill these light drones when
1862s	they're supporting as far as I can see
1864s	and there's just like two or three
1866s	flights of light drone just constantly
1867s	harassing the support wing of tests at
1869s	the moment uh one of them the Magus is
1871s	actually going to half armor and look at
1873s	the nurgle
1875s	yeah I think he's just hit his EDC so
1877s	it's gonna be fine the guardian's gonna
1878s	be able to wrap him back up but that
1879s	amount of DPS isn't something he can
1881s	sustain that nurgle needs to move out of
1883s	the position he's in and I don't think
1885s	he's able to yeah oh no this is going to
1887s	be bad as soon as that ADC runs out he
1889s	is going to get burst through and that's
1890s	gonna be the first Domino to fall
1892s	potentially here for whole control
1893s	Moonwalks is the Hester lines in low
1896s	armor too
1897s	oh this is not looking good that there
1899s	goes living to win right now the high
1901s	period is being shot as well the hyena
1902s	is a low armor this is just holding on
1904s	for dear life by test they can even the
1907s	vet mag that they're just going
1908s	everywhere this damage going across
1909s	every ship on the field at this point
1910s	it's getting ridiculous just fix
1912s	something nice
1914s	I think both teams are just sort of
1915s	sorting by transverse or trying to hit
1917s	the targets they can do the most damage
1919s	they possibly can to you can see though
1929s	is going to be gone very soon that's
1931s	gonna be the first thing shifting
1933s	towards test they might be able to pull
1934s	this through even against a cop that
1936s	looks very painful to fight what do you
1938s	think about this whole control strategy
1939s	though of putting all of her Battleship
1941s	DPS onto that Hyperion trying to test
1943s	this tank burn through those and silk
1944s	rep charges uh do you think they're
1946s	going for sort of a late game play here
1948s	I don't know the Hyperion I don't know
1951s	why they're going for that one that's
1952s	probably the one ship the guardian's
1954s	been tackled the Guardians
1957s	hold on why is the guardian there
1960s	okay Deacon goes down too so Logitech is
1962s	starting but why was the guardian there
1964s	he was like
1966s	he was he's right next to the Hyperion
1968s	now and he obviously he wasn't that far
1969s	away to begin with okay well
1972s	looks like that guardian's about to die
1973s	very quickly in this point that's going
1975s	to be a test probably getting ahead with
1976s	us that those are bads are going to be
1978s	impossible to break with Guardian reps
1980s	but with the guardian gone they're just
1981s	big balls of ehp you can break through
1983s	that yeah that Logistics trade is very
1985s	very much not in the favor of whole
1987s	control test lights please ignore you
1989s	can see that that red bar is just a
1990s	little bit bigger for them because that
1992s	Hyperion is going to be able to sustain
1994s	DPS into the late game that said neither
1996s	side has Logistics now they need to take
1998s	a whole controller to win this match
1999s	they need to use those Enis application
2001s	take out all of these frigates Coast
2003s	until the boosts wear off and then go in
2006s	for the kill
2007s	yeah this is this is the one thing about
2009s	the Hyperion it will be at last a lot of
2011s	ships just off of one wrapper alone and
2013s	with the new pressure from the
2014s	Armageddon Navy is constantly pressuring
2016s	these abandons they will lose DPS here
2017s	and they could buy the Hyperion time to
2019s	get back up to full armor and say
2020s	capacity meanwhile the high in the
2022s	background just getting obliterated so
2024s	there's the two exact navies pulling out
2025s	good DPS but it's just a little too late
2028s	maybe
2029s	I don't know there's still there's still
2031s	potential in here that abandoned there's
2033s	it's only got a quarter of its armor
2034s	left but that's a lot of the HP if they
2036s	can take the DPS of this Hyperion on the
2037s	on the uh Off the Grid and maybe run
2039s	into those rmhl reloads the Pat the
2042s	consistent DPS of those lasers still has
2044s	the potential to take this match here
2045s	for whole control
2047s	um that said testimony they just need to
2048s	fight the kill
2049s	the one thing there's all that actually
2051s	gave them that kill in the Hyperion they
2053s	have a full Newt Mauler who was just
2055s	sitting there newting the living hella
2057s	that Hyperion now he's going to the
2058s	Armageddon navies but that mall would
2060s	have been painfully annoying for that
2062s	Hyperion which of course does go down
2064s	the air battle now in Hull as well as
2065s	the second Armageddon Navy is going
2067s	through armor yeah but look look at how
2069s	much bigger that whole control attack
2071s	bar is consistently they're just pumping
2073s	out a little more damage here than
2074s	teslaites please ignore and it's
2075s	outweighing that rap Advantage they had
2077s	at the start of this game this is this
2079s	is actually looking really bad for test
2080s	now at the moment because that I thought
2082s	it was getting maybe more tanky but
2083s	they're really not two abaddons plus two
2085s	exact names are just really ripping
2086s	through them
2088s	yeah absolutely and you can see that
2091s	whole control taking advantage of the
2093s	fact they have more players as well
2094s	there you can see all of their title are
2095s	spread across all of the Hostile ships
2097s	just keeping them in position stopping
2099s	them from putting any little bit of
2100s	extra pressure they can on these
2101s	abandons on this exact Navy issue just
2103s	put up keeping it alive for as long as
2104s	humanly possible that said the abandoned
2107s	finally does go down there I mean all
2108s	grain Navy is actually soloing off one
2110s	of the exact navies as well so that's
2111s	going to be one of these extra DPS
2112s	Cruisers gone but the Morris goes down
2113s	the Armageddon knows about to go down
2115s	the executive name is about to go down
2116s	that leaves an Armageddon and an organ
2118s	Navy versus an Abaddon executive Navy
2121s	more and then two um wow down in the
2124s	same tip
2125s	this is this was looking so much for
2128s	tests including that throw from the
2129s	guardian but they're claw in this back
2131s	these are these are beginning this
2132s	abandon's gonna be a nightmare to kill
2134s	and then with the Newt Mall of backing
2136s	it up as well to even remove the nuke
2137s	pressure from the Armageddon Navy this
2139s	can still go either way this is
2141s	ridiculous
2142s	absolutely but it's yeah I think that
2145s	whole control now the advantage is in
2147s	their Direction they have all the ships
2149s	that they need to win this fight it's
2150s	just a matter of not screwing it up and
2153s	not letting all these ships get away you
2155s	know if this if this or a Navy issue if
2156s	you can catch one of these Navy issue it
2159s	might still be to evil one and the Ponte
2161s	just dropped the cat boosters for the
2163s	abandon I just saw that drive by cap
2165s	drop that is well done as well keep
2167s	knowing that that battle needs the
2168s	capacity to survive against this armaged
2169s	and if he's gonna be nuking the hell out
2171s	of it meanwhile the molar is just
2172s	sitting on the Armageddon Navy and
2173s	constantly just sucking his capacitor
2175s	dry this is perfectly excused now at
2177s	this point except for the guardian
2178s	killing itself this is actually doing
2180s	very very well yeah I I the route for
2184s	test lights please ignore it in back
2185s	into this match they just need to kill
2186s	something and then survive if they can
2188s	if they can live for the rest of this
2190s	match there's only about two minutes 30
2191s	on the clock
2192s	um they will have the points Advantage
2193s	if they manage to take something out
2195s	here uh name loading unfortunately
2197s	probably isn't going to be able to get
2198s	out of his situation though and I don't
2200s	think he's going to live that long oh no
2205s	and he is a billion miles away
2208s	pushing off the exact Navy I guess he's
2211s	not even close with the exact Navy nor
2212s	is he close to the fight he's just in no
2214s	man's land
2216s	I'm not exactly sure what he's doing
2217s	there he's now decided not time to come
2219s	back
2221s	too late though
2222s	yeah finally getting a rep off there is
2225s	name loading but with two minutes left
2227s	on the clock and him in structure I
2229s	think this is game once the armaged Navy
2230s	issue goes out down it's just going to
2232s	be clean up for whole control but what a
2234s	match you really have to give it up to
2235s	hold control for having the mental
2237s	resilience to stay in this match after
2240s	their Guardian got caught uh got caught
2242s	by tennis
2243s	exactly it was
2245s	it would be the absolute death blow but
2246s	the stuff these abandons are always a
2248s	pain to kill especially when they're
2249s	backed up by a newt Mauler which pretty
2251s	much negates the unique pressure against
2252s	them as well and yeah Armageddon Navy
2255s	goes down the yeah but on at this point
2257s	his resist for the reactive was pretty
2258s	much making the Army get a Navy
2259s	worthless as well Well Done by hole
2262s	control this is a beautiful comeback I
2264s	just don't know exactly what kirimati is
2265s	doing but it doesn't really matter
2267s	anymore does it yeah and of course let's
2269s	not not forget to give our flowers to
2271s	test because they performed excellently
2272s	in this match they were uh some people
2274s	were not particularly kind to them last
2276s	weekend after only showing up with night
2277s	players but now they've turned up with
2279s	10 and they took whole control to the
2281s	very edge in this match in fact we
2283s	thought that they'd won it at one point
2284s	here it's a shame and we hope to see
2287s	them next year really they uh they have
2289s	performed outperformed our expectations
2291s	exactly that exactly that there's a lot
2294s	of moments in this fight that tests flew
2296s	pretty pretty damn well stuff like the
2298s	Hyperion not just death charging and but
2301s	trying to get something better get the
2303s	ships they went after the targets they
2304s	picked how they went through them very
2306s	very well flown thank you so much to
2307s	test and congratulations to Hull we'll
2309s	go back to the studio and see what they
2310s	think
2316s	guys stop being casual they're really
2318s	bad we should not lose anybody to this
2321s	warp off take the Sleep warp everybody
2323s	warp off this is a really really bad
2325s	execution I'm very disappointed
2330s	another great hall back from Amar damn
2334s	I'm thirsty
2335s	[Music]
2339s	ah that hits the spot
2340s	[Music]
2352s	uh yeah we actually lost a bet as CCP
2355s	collectively so that's why that Alliance
2357s	logo is in the game of course you could
2359s	change your alliance by leaving but that
2361s	would be kind of a jerk move that kind
2363s	of oh you know like
2364s	I sucks I'm gonna go join
2367s	foreign
2381s	[Music]
2388s	ER make it to the actual Alliance
2391s	tournament uh that was another fantastic
2393s	match we're like two for two already
2395s	today CCP overload what happened there
2397s	uh well what happened was one team in
2399s	fact killed more ships than the other
2401s	team thus allowing them to to win the
2403s	match and move on
2405s	um what happened in more detail is a
2408s	very good match that went back and
2409s	forward back and forward when whole
2412s	control the guardian
2414s	I unpositioned himself into a bad spot
2418s	and basically fed his Guardian really
2420s	quickly I thought it was going to swing
2421s	hard over to test and it started to
2423s	swing uh but I think Jin called it
2424s	during the match you know well done to
2426s	to hold control for uh being able to
2428s	essentially switch strategies and and
2430s	adapt to things because when stuff
2432s	starts to go wrong when your plan
2434s	doesn't work then you know it could be
2436s	very easy to just spiral into pitted
2438s	Despair and lose the match but they were
2439s	able to actually uh you know turn it
2441s	around and we saw at the start they were
2443s	doing a really good job keeping away
2444s	from the the test side kiting around
2446s	sort of trying to get force them to try
2448s	and position better and then strike in
2450s	when the moment hit I think you
2452s	mentioned the parts in the the back
2454s	channels about
2455s	um the rapid heavy uh Clips you know
2458s	test basically were forced to hold on to
2460s	their clips for quite a while until they
2461s	could get themselves in a good position
2462s	meanwhile the whole control just
2464s	applying damage that whole time which
2465s	gave them a bit of a bit of a lasting
2467s	advantage
2468s	it's true that is the second time today
2472s	though we have only had two matches so
2473s	perhaps 100 of the matches where we have
2476s	had somebody bring a rapid heavy
2478s	Armageddon Navy issue
2481s	um mystical might opinions on the rapid
2483s	heavy Armageddon Navy issue
2485s	I mean I know your opinion on the
2487s	Radford heavy armaged Navy issue
2490s	um so Bart professors that both matches
2492s	would have been won by the Armageddon
2494s	Navy issue team if they just brought
2495s	guns
2496s	um and I can see the logic behind it to
2498s	a degree
2499s	um with the rapid Heavies they're really
2501s	effective at doing burst damage and
2503s	applying to some of the smaller targets
2505s	perhaps if you have webs and Target
2507s	painters which hyena provides but
2510s	they're not as effective at sustaining
2513s	damage over long periods of time so you
2515s	won't be able to constantly pressure the
2516s	enemy team by chipping away at their
2519s	lower end like we saw the bands were
2521s	able to do because when tests
2523s	accidentally turn their Magus a little
2525s	bit too steeply and approach the
2526s	abandoned it got shot and then put into
2528s	low armor and had to turn away again
2530s	same with the hyena same with the
2532s	pontifex you don't see that really with
2534s	rapid Heavies because every single time
2536s	you use one that's one less that you can
2538s	use before you need to basically spend I
2541s	think 25 35 seconds reloading which is
2544s	35 seconds so you're not doing damage so
2547s	yeah I I think they have their place it
2550s	just depends on the team that you build
2551s	them around
2552s	um nice cat I would say that the other
2555s	ship I wanted to talk about was the
2557s	nurgle in this case because we saw that
2558s	the nogo went and hunted down the Deacon
2561s	and the Sally on the test side I think
2563s	Knuckles are extremely costly but very
2565s	important and useful ships if used well
2567s	if you're able to push your nogal into
2570s	the back line and get them on top of the
2571s	logistics frigates or perhaps even some
2573s	of the Cruisers eventually over time
2575s	they spool up to do like a battleship's
2578s	worth of damage I think they do they do
2580s	a lot of damage
2581s	um after a couple minutes of shooting
2583s	and they'll be able to effectively clear
2585s	the lower end by themselves if they're
2587s	kept alive so
2588s	um really interesting use of their
2589s	knuckle today
2591s	yeah you uh you said that it was a lot
2593s	of points but it was probably worth it
2595s	in this case
2596s	um obviously if you are newer to the
2599s	tournament scene all of these ships have
2601s	a Associated Point cost and this is to
2602s	make sure that you don't bring you know
2604s	10 battleships and just clean the grid
2607s	by having all of the best ships in the
2610s	game uh the point costs and the rules
2612s	are uh they're all up on the general
2616s	Alliance tournament rules but the easy
2618s	way to look at it is higher Tech ship
2621s	bigger Point bigger ship bigger Point
2623s	big high-tech ship large point
2626s	so succinctly wrapping that up for you
2629s	guys
2630s	um other than that yeah we saw that the
2631s	positioning on the guardian was a little
2633s	silly uh we don't know if that was
2635s	necessarily that it got damped in or
2637s	maybe it panicked um Guardian reps are
2639s	actually quite long range so it is
2641s	entirely possible that it could have
2642s	just been The Accidental double click in
2644s	space I believe uh anyone who's played
2646s	Eve knows that every once in a while
2648s	sometimes you get too excited click
2650s	twice on your screen and fly in a
2652s	direction you did not mean to go uh
2654s	other than that though very very good
2655s	match hole control will be moving on to
2658s	one more match to see if they can make
2659s	it in unfortunately test Alliance will
2661s	not be making it in to the actual
2664s	tournament uh we do have another match
2666s	coming up though which is the uh the
2669s	bright side of death team a very long
2671s	and interesting pedigree team versus
2673s	sons of Bane uh CCP overload Let's uh
2677s	you probably know a lot about bright
2678s	side of death do you know anything about
2679s	sons of Bane here
2681s	uh not off the top of my head uh to be
2684s	to be perfectly fair I can tell you a
2686s	bit about uh Brightside though I know
2688s	that they have a couple of the uh
2690s	experienced pilots from the video
2691s	reloaded team uh you know multiple
2694s	Alliance Tournament winning team and
2696s	Darkseid themself uh Captain DJ by fafi
2699s	wafi uh in their own right a very good
2702s	experience team so they've kind of
2703s	sucked up some of the the more
2705s	experienced uh pilots from Vedra
2709s	yes absolutely and they are um known so
2712s	if you've been watching the tournament
2714s	scene video has not been playing as
2716s	vidra for a couple years now uh but
2719s	right side of death has some of their
2721s	main Theory crafters and they've been
2723s	known for doing very interesting things
2726s	um that most of the time work so kind of
2728s	expecting probably some something cool
2731s	here a misty do you have any any ideas
2732s	what bright side might bring
2735s	I mean I'm just thinking about like the
2737s	typical comps that vidra would bring
2740s	um
2741s	we're either going to see some control
2743s	which is typically something that we see
2745s	reserved for the final weekend of an
2747s	alliance tournament because you don't
2748s	want to give away your the tricks that
2750s	you have up your sleeve too soon
2752s	um otherwise we'll probably see
2753s	something like Octodad which is just
2755s	going to be a lot of long-range battle
2756s	Cruisers and cruisers with medium weapon
2759s	systems typically guns that can apply
2762s	really well to the lower end of any comp
2764s	and they do enough damage that you can
2765s	really punch through reps
2768s	um of battle trips and battle Cruisers
2769s	if you need to I'm expecting something
2772s	along those lines to be honest
2774s	well we are seeing really interesting
2776s	bands here I believe we're seeing
2778s	several ships we haven't seen banned
2779s	before uh sons of Bane has banned the
2781s	Bargas which we've seen banned many
2782s	times but they also banned the
2784s	stormbringer and bright side of death
2786s	has banned The Sentinel and the
2788s	crucifier so both disruption forgets uh
2790s	CCP overload does what does this mean
2793s	it means that they're just like hey see
2796s	that disruption GTFO like we do not want
2799s	any of that here uh both of those ships
2800s	as you say bonused to
2803s	um uh guidance and tracking disruption
2805s	it's interesting that they chose to ban
2806s	both of those rather than say also the
2809s	curse and the other good thing about the
2811s	Sentinel is of course it's a really good
2812s	pocket new boat uh if you park one of
2814s	them on top of an enemy Logistics
2815s	Cruiser you can kind of shut it down uh
2817s	it's obviously much more mobile than
2819s	something like a curse and less points
2820s	but even still the curse has been a
2822s	super popular band compared to burning
2824s	both of those ships at the same time
2826s	which is a bit of a strange one
2828s	absolutely and uh mystical might the
2831s	stormbringer this is the first time
2832s	we've seen it banned
2834s	um why
2836s	so the stormbringer itself is actually a
2839s	fairly tanky ship um it's really
2840s	annoying to try and kill I think it can
2842s	get like 100k HP if you fully buff a
2845s	tank it
2846s	um at least on TQ
2848s	um in the tournament setting it serves
2850s	as a really good way of removing rep
2852s	Bots at a long range and it's also
2855s	probably going to be good against like a
2856s	Sentry swarm too since those drones are
2858s	immobile
2859s	um what the stormringer brings to the
2862s	field is an arc vorton projector which
2864s	fires like a beam at its intended target
2867s	and then that beam will bounce to the
2870s	next like nine or ten people around it
2872s	doing damage in a 10 kilometer area
2875s	um it only hits up to I think 10 people
2876s	so it can't hit hundreds of people at
2879s	once but it still does a lot of spread
2881s	damage
2882s	um over time and that's why it's really
2884s	effective at clearing off rep Bots
2885s	because you just shoot the target that
2887s	you want to clear the Redbox off and
2889s	eventually those drones die typically
2891s	the sky breaker is better than the
2892s	stormbringer just due to the smaller
2894s	weapon system meaning better application
2897s	um so I'm not quite sure why they ban
2899s	the storm burner in this case but it
2900s	suggests that they might want to have a
2903s	more immobile rep heavy comp versus
2905s	perhaps a more projected comp that the
2908s	Central and crucifier bands would
2909s	suggest
2911s	excellent uh well it will not be in this
2914s	thing so we will see if you were correct
2915s	because the teams have actually both
2917s	landed on the field and they are getting
2918s	ready to smash their spaceships into
2920s	each other and explodeify all over each
2922s	other's faces so we are going to be
2924s	sending it to the commentary pair uh
2927s	once again we have
2928s	Alec and fear and we will take a look
2931s	and see what's about to happen here
2938s	hello and welcome to this absolutely
2940s	filling match bright side of death
2941s	versus sons of Bane as expected both
2943s	teams came to play it's bright side of
2946s	death running a modified Octodad setup
2949s	with a star day Absolution hard Navy
2952s	British Navy X and a pair of extra
2954s	navies for damage beer what do we have
2956s	on Sons of Bane
2958s	well they've brought armor control with
2960s	a balgorn and Fleet Tempest uh
2962s	interesting to see the fleet Tempest in
2964s	the tournament this year is it's not uh
2967s	discounted points like it was last year
2969s	I'm checking the guns right now I would
2971s	assume this is going to be Auto cannons
2973s	uh just due to the nature of yeah those
2977s	are Auto cannons they are uh looks to be
2981s	uh dual 650s actually but I might be
2985s	wrong on that one I might uh
2988s	it might be 800s and rent aside is about
2991s	to get decapitated here as his moles is
2994s	taking a ton of fire in the sons of Bane
2996s	side it looks like bright side of death
2998s	definitely has the edge in projection so
3000s	far as they are imposing their will in
3002s	the battlefield early while sons of Bane
3004s	is rushing forward trying to get into
3006s	range
3007s	yep uh also to note sons of Bane they do
3011s	have guns on their bowel so it's not a
3012s	full new bell uh does make sense they
3014s	also have an oracle for DPS so their
3016s	attack bar actually is similar sized to
3020s	what has been brought from the side of
3022s	bright side of death but as you
3023s	mentioned bright side of that they have
3024s	the range advantage that's able to kite
3026s	this out we see this nurgle starting to
3028s	dive in towards the bright side of death
3029s	blob right now we'll see if it's going
3031s	to be able to do anything and it's being
3033s	taken down into 60 armor remaining uh
3036s	does not have anything tackled quite yet
3039s	as the damping power of this mollus uh
3043s	has been pretty uh well utilized by the
3047s	size of sanibaine but at the same time
3049s	Mollison carries from Bright Side of
3052s	death have won this stamp or pretty
3054s	effectively they've got four dams right
3056s	now out on the sons of Bane side uh the
3059s	snorkel though living to win right now
3061s	through the ADC and they've swapped onto
3063s	the Oracle MGD play happening
3068s	a bright side of death but Shadow guard
3070s	in the Oracle he's being taken down very
3072s	quickly we'll see this balgorn's able to
3074s	lock anything down with his webs uh
3076s	actually as I said that bright side of
3078s	death counter MJ deed onto the other
3080s	side of the fight so excuse me on that
3082s	one I may have miscommentated it
3083s	otherwise the Oracle goes down and
3085s	bright side of death they've still got
3086s	the range Advantage but importantly they
3089s	are right on top of this Logistics and
3090s	the oneros the battlefield has now split
3093s	into two distinct fights you've got the
3095s	balgorn uh currently going after what is
3099s	that surrounded by a cloud of Jones the
3100s	hard Navy issue of Midas Bartholomew
3103s	meanwhile the sons of Bane aniros is
3106s	getting pinned down and killed that is a
3109s	far better trade for bright side of
3110s	death
3111s	oh and it goes down that is a huge huge
3114s	loss for Sons of Bane meanwhile the
3116s	bright side auger he's perfectly fine
3118s	there's nothing anywhere close to him
3120s	no I mean it's a really interesting to
3122s	see a double mjd play happen uh not
3125s	typically something we see uh but this
3127s	time they both caught a single Target
3129s	from either side Ginger ill now going
3131s	down in the snorkel he doesn't have the
3133s	ADC available to him he falls at the
3135s	same time as that Navy heartbringer so
3138s	it ended up being a uh three for one
3140s	trade in favor a bright side of death
3142s	they're on the mollusk now of retro side
3144s	and they're just going to continue
3145s	snowballing this match with the range
3147s	Advantage with their attack bar now
3150s	being quite a bit uh not quite girthier
3153s	but uh still much more active than what
3157s	we're seeing from Sons of Bane yeah
3160s	since Bane had an excellent start the
3161s	nergo flying in to fake it out as they
3163s	just lose their Magus they faked out a
3165s	lot of aggro brought it back healed it
3167s	up meanwhile the Mueller was able to get
3168s	in and land tackle but this micro jump
3171s	play seems to have thrown them off and
3172s	they just have not been able to recover
3174s	uh there there are getting some kills
3177s	the Absolution from Bright Side to death
3179s	went down but the tempo of this man
3181s	match is so far out of their favor now
3183s	it's very difficult to see a way for
3185s	Sons of Bane to come back into this if
3187s	they're balgor and ironically was full
3189s	nude fit they would actually stand a
3191s	better chance as literally all of the
3192s	damage on bright side of death's team
3194s	relies on capacitor but that pregame
3197s	decision may be costing them here in the
3198s	late stretches of this match
3200s	and now you're saying bright side of the
3202s	death's attack bar really getting to
3203s	work it is an absolutely massive the
3206s	defense bar keeps on shrinking uh from
3209s	the side of Sons of Bane Grant you they
3212s	have some active reps that's what the
3213s	purple part of the defense bar uh
3216s	represents so they should be able to
3218s	hold on for a little bit longer but this
3220s	balgorn uh absolutely getting wrecked
3224s	right now by bright side of death and
3225s	they're maintaining their ranges
3226s	perfectly uh they are going to lose
3229s	their Muller potentially he's been
3231s	running screen for them but that's a
3232s	worthwhile trade their Absolution also
3235s	uh too far forward did get caught he's
3238s	in a structure but he'll go down the
3240s	same time as the balgorn and bright side
3241s	of death are running away with this
3242s	match
3243s	now a tempest Fleet issue a somewhat
3246s	curious choice for a faction Battleship
3248s	it's not it's not as good as some of the
3251s	Alternatives that you could bring and it
3253s	definitely doesn't have the Solo Carry
3255s	power to be able to outlast against the
3257s	nostada British Navy with a pair of
3259s	executors for DPS best case scenario
3262s	you know your your extra Navy is rail
3265s	fit which does seem to be what these
3266s	guys are here so the tracking is not
3268s	going to be great but unfortunately the
3270s	Tempest Fleet issue as big as a barn
3272s	it's not going to be able to avoid any
3274s	of that damage
3275s	and importantly he's not able to kill
3277s	this Absolution now he's holding under
3278s	all reps uh typically when we see T1
3281s	logy uh and armor Logitech it is the
3284s	auger just because it has the extra tank
3286s	and a bit more wrapping power than you
3288s	see out of the executor and we're seeing
3290s	that being used quite effectively on
3292s	this app solution right now the Tempest
3293s	Fleet issue just unable uh to take down
3296s	this Absolution despite the fact that
3298s	he's webbed and scrammed and being
3300s	neuted and lost right now uh meanwhile
3302s	varek and the exact Navy absolutely gets
3305s	deleted and it's just a simple Fleet in
3307s	the Mauler versus the world
3309s	once again really well played to Bright
3311s	Side of death they will move on to the
3312s	main tournament sons of Bane are going
3315s	to go down to the losers bracket
3318s	I'm going to try to make a run to the
3321s	main tournament that way
3323s	wouldn't count them out just yet they
3325s	are a very solid alliance with a good
3327s	PVP pedigree with uh but didn't really
3330s	get the chance to show it here again the
3332s	opening for them looked really really
3334s	strong and then it just kind of got away
3336s	from them you see the experience of the
3338s	bright side of death team coming into
3339s	play as they finally bring down that
3342s	Fleet Tempest and with it all hope sons
3344s	of Bane have of maintaining any presence
3346s	in the winners bracket this mall or
3348s	while tanky is going to drop extremely
3351s	rapidly the experience of bright side of
3353s	death coming into play here is they were
3355s	able to take that unusual double micro
3357s	jump situation and just react more
3360s	calmly and make the correct decisions we
3361s	prioritize and it takes them into the
3364s	next round as we throw this back to the
3365s	desk
3371s	[Music]
3377s	thank you
3389s	[Applause]
3401s	connected Channel switched well it would
3404s	have been an easy fight right but guess
3406s	what dude I'm not seeing it people can't
3408s	get they're fit together
3414s	enemies your temps are completely damned
3417s	out Crush I'm dumped out I'm dumped out
3419s	you don't like Champions boys
3428s	I'm jammed
3430s	I feel like we're now three for three
3431s	these have all been wonderful matches we
3433s	saw a absolutely fantastic uh double MGD
3437s	play there and just real quick uh
3440s	mystical might mjds obviously we kind of
3444s	know how they work but can we like
3445s	explain how they work in the arena since
3448s	sure yes so you have two different types
3452s	of mjds in the arena you're gonna have
3454s	the local mjds that battleships and
3457s	battle Cruisers can fit which will carry
3460s	them 100 kilometers in their chosen
3461s	Direction and can and can be prevented
3464s	with scrams and you'll also have mobile
3467s	mjd beacons around the edges of the
3470s	arena and one in the middle and the ones
3472s	around the edges are all 100 kilometers
3474s	apart so if you're going from the top
3476s	left Beacon to the top right Beacon you
3479s	can continue jumping around the arena
3480s	you can also jump down to the same Arena
3483s	on that side but you can't go diagonally
3486s	of course so teams make effective use of
3489s	them by burning to the mjd beacon at the
3492s	furthest Edge and then MJ Dean back in
3494s	as we saw with the bsod to jump into the
3497s	back lines of teams that they might not
3498s	want to necessarily try and brawl
3500s	through
3501s	and that allows them to get on top of
3503s	those weaker ships and melt through them
3506s	and that is uh exactly what we saw
3509s	happening also I have noticed that CCP
3511s	overload has been replaced with jujek do
3513s	Jack how are you
3515s	hey I'm great I'm happy to finally be
3517s	here I'm looking forward to doing some
3519s	desk stuff
3520s	I I love the match as well it was uh
3524s	good entertainment although I'm haunted
3527s	in my nightmares from practice sessions
3529s	of thinking that I have the range under
3532s	control of the enemy team and having
3534s	them mjd past me and
3537s	killing my backline
3539s	yes that was a fantastic fantastic play
3542s	from besada actually you know uh Bain
3546s	did a pretty good job they did mjd into
3548s	them like the Battleground mjding in was
3550s	reminiscent of uh I think it's like what
3552s	is it Rife riferson doing insane
3554s	background plays but Visa did a
3556s	fantastic job countering that uh one
3558s	thing that we saw was bsod actually
3560s	kiting away right off the bat and
3562s	applying quite a bit of damage and I
3564s	kind of want to pull up the tracking
3566s	graph the tracking animation real quick
3567s	and JuJu can you uh kind of explain this
3570s	through forward for the audience here
3573s	tracking is um measured in something
3577s	called radial velocity against your
3579s	targets so that means that the further
3582s	they are away from you the less tracking
3585s	you need in order to hit them so as
3589s	you're going back and they presumably
3591s	might be going back as well it's easier
3594s	to hit something that is far away from
3596s	you given the same speed and gun
3599s	tracking stats than it is to hit the
3602s	same ship close-up so if they're going
3604s	faster it would be harder and if they're
3606s	closer it's harder
3609s	absolutely you all you did a perfect
3612s	explanation with the uh as the graph
3614s	went there too it's uh like you've seen
3615s	it before or something uh but yes and I
3618s	also saw a uh actual fantastic twitch
3620s	hat commentary because I do read twitch
3622s	chat because I love all of you
3624s	um equally in fact uh somebody said
3626s	tracking isn't real just control space
3628s	and
3630s	that is actually not incorrect um I
3633s	believe uh the famous two-time winner uh
3636s	captain of how to reloaded Dexter Zhao
3638s	was very very uh good at that he would
3641s	Ram Battleship send control space and
3643s	apply massive DPS so any battleship
3644s	Pilots out there just remember if you
3646s	hit control space you track better and
3648s	do tons and tons of damage
3650s	um other than that Misty uh you did a
3653s	fantastic job predicting what the comp
3655s	was going to be based off those bands so
3658s	I we kind of saw what happened there but
3661s	I actually want you to talk about ban
3662s	Theory a little bit here I'll hit you
3664s	with a little bit of a tough one to
3666s	explain yeah okay so I guess there's
3669s	different types of Band Theory
3671s	um really it depends on your team's play
3673s	style because there's so many different
3675s	ships in Eve online You Can't Ban every
3677s	single ship so you need to be thinking
3679s	about what type of comps you have
3681s	available to you
3683s	um and what the ships are that will
3685s	really throw a spanner in the works of
3686s	what you're able to achieve or like
3688s	would actually break your comp apart and
3690s	with the tracking comp that we saw here
3691s	with vsod because they have so many
3693s	ships that rely on long-range projection
3696s	and tracking
3697s	the tracking disruptors that a crucifier
3700s	or a sentinel would be able to bring
3701s	would actually prevent you know two or
3704s	three of their ships from being able to
3705s	effectively reach out and do their
3707s	damage and losing that two or three
3709s	ships worth of damage may actually mean
3712s	that they aren't able to break through
3713s	some of the smaller ships towards the
3715s	back climb now that's kind of negated a
3717s	bit by the fact that you can just mjd
3719s	past everything as we saw
3721s	um but it's still something that they
3722s	would need to be concerned about the
3724s	same can be said for a comp that perhaps
3728s	only has
3729s	Tula Shacks you probably also want to be
3731s	looking at removing some of those
3732s	tracking disruptors because again
3734s	they're very good at nullifying
3737s	um the damage that you're able to
3738s	project and do at long ranges
3741s	I think it's really hard to have like a
3744s	single Band Theory or way of banning
3747s	because
3748s	if you're going up against a team that
3750s	you know is basically just a one trick
3752s	right they've only got one comp that
3754s	they're good with or they've got a comp
3756s	that they usually fly and you're fairly
3759s	confident that they don't have anything
3760s	else that they can replace those ships
3762s	with if you ban the exact navies for
3764s	example in this Octodad comp that we
3766s	just saw there's no effective
3768s	replacement for those ships because they
3770s	already receive a point reduction so
3772s	then they're scrambling to find
3773s	something else that is not quite as good
3776s	um to replace those ships with the same
3778s	can be said for things like
3780s	um you know blackbirds are hard to
3783s	replace because I don't think there's
3784s	any other tech one variant that you
3786s	could use to effectively use ECM so
3790s	there are some certain ships that you
3791s	can ban
3792s	um that are effective
3794s	Osprey navies cannot do the same
3796s	effective job as the exact Navy they are
3799s	okay but they do not have the same range
3801s	or damage profiles that the exact Navy
3803s	does but nice try Wally
3808s	yeah we all we all do well some of us do
3811s	uh it's kahawk also known as CCP
3813s	overload self-admittedly does not know
3815s	how to read
3816s	um but yes I do I think uh I actually
3818s	got slightly flamed a little bit uh last
3820s	at for saying that all ships are the
3822s	same You Can't Ban anything out
3824s	everything is replaceable that's not
3825s	entirely true but in general yeah things
3828s	get things get wild especially later on
3831s	uh but for this not quite as important
3834s	but uh thinking about bands so we have
3836s	another match coming up with which is
3838s	x877 versus Esports team
3842s	um I don't want to do their full name
3843s	it's uh in my contract that I don't
3845s	actually have to uh but we do have the
3847s	bands for these teams so we have
3850s	x877 Banning the bargest and the
3853s	Scimitar with Esports team Banning the
3855s	Blackbird and the Scimitar and then we
3857s	have an initial trickle ban of anoneros
3860s	and a Nighthawk uh so just going with
3864s	those bands uh do Jack and it should pop
3865s	up on the screen relatively shortly here
3867s	uh what what are you expecting to see
3869s	like let's let's walk through it real
3871s	quick
3872s	I feel like the bargain Scimitar and
3876s	Blackbird semitar bands are kind of
3879s	similar in a way like
3882s	all of those are long range ships the
3887s	Scimitar doesn't want to be up front the
3889s	Blackbird certainly does not want to be
3891s	up front but I feel like it diverges in
3894s	the trickle-down bands whereas The
3897s	Narrows is more of a hedge The Narrows
3899s	is kind of rarely in my experience C in
3902s	in the kind of comps that would take the
3905s	cemetery despite the fact that they are
3907s	both Tech Two Logistics whereas the
3909s	Nighthawk
3910s	is often more popular in an aggressive
3914s	comp so it's a hedge against
3917s	range versus upfront maybe whereas The
3920s	Narrows is more of a armor versus shield
3925s	and uh mid-range close versus long range
3928s	so I think that both of them don't want
3930s	to be out kited and that makes me think
3932s	that we are going to see something
3935s	Brawley or
3939s	um something uh pseudo dad like the last
3942s	matchup
3943s	pseudo dad interesting well uh we're
3946s	gonna keep that one on the back burner
3948s	there we'll drop a couple pseudo dads
3950s	and Dad Chad means later in the uh
3953s	tournament uh we do see a blackbird band
3955s	here too uh I don't think we've seen
3957s	blackbirds be particularly effective
3958s	here uh Misty you're nodding ahead
3960s	though no one can see it but me
3962s	um but blackbirds like why ban them
3965s	I mean so I I alluded to it a little bit
3968s	in the BAM Theory chat but I don't think
3972s	there's an effective replacement for a
3973s	blackbird
3974s	um at the tech one kind of Cruiser line
3976s	you know if you ban a falcon they can
3978s	still bring the rook and vice versa but
3980s	if you ban the Blackbird then they need
3982s	to either increase the point cost that
3984s	they're investing in the ECM or bring
3986s	the frigate if they still want to be
3987s	able to bring the EC under the grid I
3994s	I feel like we just lost them
3997s	or I lost my ability to hear them either
4000s	right all right cool I can still hear
4002s	good news everybody Misty uh I think
4004s	your mic just died but that's quite
4006s	unfortunate I I want to add to the point
4008s	which I think that Misty is saying and
4011s	that is there's a big difference between
4013s	a Silver Bullet Band like you ban it and
4015s	they can't replace it or just making
4018s	their comp weaker at something they
4020s	could take
4021s	and the Knight the Blackbird is
4025s	definitely a Silver Bullet Band in that
4029s	as soon as are pretty bad yeah we can
4031s	marry you now yeah so we can hear you
4032s	now yes yeah a lot of surviving I should
4035s	say not bad in general necessarily
4038s	uh yes yeah sometimes we cite slight
4041s	technical difficulties every once in a
4043s	while but uh thank you for popping in
4045s	and catching up on that and getting all
4046s	that sorted so yes uh chip man's
4049s	exciting ECM also exciting
4052s	um interestingly enough uh ECM really
4055s	hasn't seemed to be good in the theater
4056s	so far but whether that is a execution
4058s	issue or a we will set uh change we will
4062s	find out later ECM teams generally being
4064s	considered
4065s	You know despite what a twitch chat and
4067s	the general populace think actually
4069s	incredibly difficult to execute and play
4071s	correctly a lot of people are like
4072s	guricium overpowered if it was
4075s	overpowered why does it lose almost
4076s	every single time Room For Thought uh
4079s	all that being said we are going to be
4080s	heading into the match shortly as uh
4082s	both teams are landing right now so uh
4086s	twitch chat has given predictions
4089s	um I would love to get your guys's
4090s	predictions however I believe it's
4091s	actually going to start here in just a
4092s	second so we are going to see x877
4095s	versus really really long name and with
4098s	our commentators genton and wingman
4105s	g'day mates and here we are in the arena
4107s	brother and we got to x877 versus hidden
4110s	Leaf Village assassin Squad Esports
4112s	that's right I can get the name right
4114s	first time how you doing there gin mate
4116s	how you looking at I'm doing good and
4118s	I'm really excited to see this matchup
4120s	because we've got another sort of weird
4122s	variant of Max threat here coming out
4124s	from x877 versus a much more Standard
4127s	Version here from uh hidden Leaf ninjas
4129s	but they're gonna have be trying to
4131s	utilize all of these medium turrets uh
4133s	ninjas are to try and snipe off those
4135s	support ships and if they can't get them
4137s	out it's gonna actually be kind of
4139s	potentially a difficult match if uh
4141s	Jutsu
4142s	I'm just trying to spot I'm saying I'm
4144s	like I'm missing something I can see the
4145s	select the Kirin is there another Legend
4147s	ship I'm missing you can see just one no
4149s	and that's actually quite interesting
4151s	there's only one logistic ship here from
4153s	the kirins from the team of x877 not
4156s	sure where that's come from but the
4158s	match has begun and we can see that
4159s	magical taking a ton of DPS right off
4161s	the bat he's just got a little bit of
4163s	Shield reps but that's not going to be
4164s	enough to keep him up versus all of this
4166s	DPS from Jutsu can x877 do anything in
4169s	return
4170s	I'm not sure the Confessor of Carl
4173s	O'Neil is going to be licking his lips
4174s	and enjoying life as he kills one trip
4176s	already the kieran's gonna be an easy
4178s	target the flight actually can be pretty
4179s	easy target if he survives I was gonna
4181s	say the interesting ship in this lineup
4182s	is gonna be the celesters trying to
4184s	remove like some of the potential of the
4185s	battle Cruisers but honestly without
4187s	loggy support that man is screwed
4190s	well it doesn't look like they're
4192s	focusing on Logistics support because
4193s	you can see where all of the ehp from
4195s	that brutix Navy issue is it's in the
4197s	whole we have some people trying to on a
4200s	tank as it were as I believe a CCP
4202s	overload talked about earlier uh this is
4204s	this is really really risky using a
4206s	bowel gone in a whole tank comp it might
4208s	have a lot of ehp but you need that
4210s	thing to stay on grid for as long as
4212s	humanly possible to get the points worth
4214s	out of it and it's going to be difficult
4215s	for them to do that without any
4216s	Logistics as well I'm pretty sure the
4218s	Confessor of Carlin who's actually
4220s	holding that that Bell going down as
4222s	well so the problem with these whole
4223s	tank bits is basically you've got a
4224s	limited lifespan the ability to do
4226s	something if you don't do it in time
4227s	it's like if you fight over rapid
4229s	Heavies and have no ammo left there's
4230s	nothing you can do as you see the one
4232s	ship already down and what have they
4234s	done in the opposing team basically
4236s	nothing the Confessor is still holding
4238s	the barrel going The Sentinel is still
4240s	being an absolute nightmare if they're
4242s	going for a whole tank Rush
4244s	they've already failed as far as I'm
4246s	concerned they need to do something now
4248s	this is weird it's always like a whole
4250s	tank kite setup from x877
4253s	um you can see uh Jitsu kind of reacting
4255s	to this they're all kiting away all
4257s	trying to stay outside of that 30
4258s	kilometer range where the Belgium is so
4260s	so powerful but it looks like he's
4262s	finally getting into range this is the
4263s	one trance x877 has then muting out that
4266s	Satay of Kami Inari and he's gonna fall
4269s	behind his team if they can get on top
4270s	of him and start pumping DPS into it
4272s	that's how x877 executes but I don't
4275s	know how they're going to be able to do
4276s	that now with two of their main DPS
4278s	ships Off the Grid so this lesson was
4281s	actually damping at the executive trying
4282s	to remove him from the fight but it's
4284s	like great You've Done That What's your
4286s	follow-up
4287s	and I'm just they're kind of stuck
4289s	there's nothing they can really do
4291s	they've just been kind of held here and
4293s	not been able to uh break free so you've
4296s	brought a tool for a job and that tool
4298s	has been basically useless because you
4299s	can't follow it up
4301s	you got a hammer without a nail
4303s	yeah we've got our fellow commentator
4305s	there the Basilisk finally taken to the
4306s	DPS he's been doing a great job just
4308s	sitting in front of his team trying to
4309s	position himself so that he can screen
4311s	off these fly catches as they come in uh
4313s	it doesn't look like the fly catcher's
4314s	finally gotten into backlines though
4316s	they're going to tackle something down
4317s	here and we're gonna have to see
4318s	more x877 chooses to do from this point
4321s	onwards the Britax Navy issue going down
4323s	it's going to take them down to just a
4325s	few thousand DPS here
4328s	um which won't be enough to really break
4329s	things under exact reps so they might
4331s	have to find a way into the back line
4333s	which is going to be super difficult for
4334s	them
4335s	yeah I see the executive Navy of France
4337s	is over trying to do something along
4339s	those lines but uh nope that's not gonna
4342s	happen unfortunately as yeah pop pop pop
4344s	team is just Vanishing remarkably
4346s	quickly the burger just being left alone
4348s	it's being like hard tackled I Believe
4349s	by the Confessor this entire time and
4352s	basically been worthless there's nothing
4354s	you can do you can't move you're being
4355s	held down
4357s	he's been trying to Nuke the Confessor
4358s	but the professor just does not care I
4360s	don't think Chris is good enough he does
4362s	yeah
4363s	yeah
4365s	probably a good time to talk about the
4367s	fact that there are four Etc Davey
4369s	issues on the field though I think this
4370s	just goes to show the power of that ship
4372s	my God like with the discounted points
4375s	the exact Navy is probably arguably the
4378s	best faction Cruiser in the game already
4379s	the fact that it's cheaper than all of
4381s	the rest of them is why we're seeing so
4383s	much of them these things can reach out
4385s	across the grid and touch anything if
4387s	you fit them with rails or if you fit
4389s	them as x877 has here with blasters they
4392s	can do Insane amount of DPS you can do
4395s	something like a thousand DPS with heat
4396s	and that's enough to burn through ships
4398s	quickly much like that balgorn is
4401s	getting burnt through by jutsu's comp
4403s	here
4404s	and also as well their fall off bonus as
4406s	well it makes it very surprising how far
4407s	they can truly reach your blasters it's
4409s	not as great some other ships but it's
4411s	still again it's a very surprising thing
4412s	where you can be hit with no like 600
4414s	DPS at range it's kind of scary
4416s	as the burglar now is the next primary
4418s	which honestly they could have left it
4419s	there to last and still won this match
4420s	but you might as well kill it off it's
4422s	right there it's probably maximum Hull
4424s	tank which honestly it's going down
4426s	remarkably quickly for a potential Max
4427s	Hull tank fit
4429s	yeah it looks like we might be seeing
4430s	another 100 zero uh slam dunk Victory
4434s	here and it's been relatively rare so
4436s	far in the tournament I think a lot of
4437s	the matches that we've seen have had a
4439s	lot of trading go back and forth just
4441s	because of how cheap these high DPS low
4444s	HP ships like the Eli armor
4447s	I also like as well for the hidden Leaf
4449s	Village Ninja Assassin Squad Esports
4450s	team they're pretty much got an equal
4452s	amount of damage and control on this
4454s	comp they're able to basically control
4455s	the opponent just enough and then rip
4457s	them apart with a lot of DPS and a lot
4459s	of ships it's honestly this comp is
4461s	quite hard to pull apart in one move
4463s	most comps have like one linchpin ship
4466s	you could basically remove any singular
4468s	ship in this comp and it would still
4469s	function remarkably well sure you can
4471s	remove lodgy it wouldn't last as long
4472s	but it still has enough DPS to break
4473s	through you while doing so it's honestly
4476s	I quite like these kind of comps
4478s	yeah these Max start comps were super
4480s	effective last year and I think they're
4481s	only going to get better this year now
4483s	that that isn't the prevalence of uh
4485s	tracking disruptors and dams which can
4487s	help their ability to actually apply
4490s	properly you know if you can concentrate
4492s	all the fire of eight
4494s	oh wow the estate has pounded
4497s	[Laughter]
4502s	was that it's a was that a Pity point
4505s	there
4510s	thank you
4515s	please go back to the studio before I
4517s	die thank you
4522s	[Music]
4532s	[Music]
4550s	foreign
4552s	[Music]
4562s	[Music]
4581s	[Music]
4586s	[Applause]
4588s	[Music]
4597s	and hidden village ninja team
4600s	successfully beats x877 uh unfortunately
4604s	for them they will have to continue to
4606s	play more games or fortunately depending
4608s	on if they are here for fun or if
4610s	they're here to make it in a pretty
4612s	interesting comp sort of a similar setup
4614s	there I think uh
4616s	I want to see Wing that made a really
4618s	really good call out there though that
4619s	the hidden team didn't really have any
4622s	linchpin ships uh so what did he mean by
4625s	that do jack
4626s	that's uh when one ship isn't holding up
4630s	one of the three triangles of a
4633s	successful comp that Jen has talked
4635s	about previously one being raps or the
4638s	ability to survive one being damaged and
4642s	projection and the third being the
4645s	ability to control the match I think he
4648s	didn't finish the analogy last time I
4649s	watched it but
4651s	it's not one ship tackling or only one
4655s	ship doing BPS like killing one DPS ship
4658s	taking 400 DPS off the field still
4661s	allows them to keep killing stuff and
4663s	that is an important thing a lot of the
4665s	time unless you go heavy on control
4668s	yeah I think uh I think the analogy he
4671s	was trying to make was pretty much what
4672s	you said is that uh every at team needs
4675s	to have some form of reps
4677s	at least three thousand DPS and some
4681s	amount of control and you can kind of
4682s	cheese the DPS a little bit if you have
4683s	insane amounts of control but even then
4686s	like you see most teams like even the
4688s	most disgusting nasty like
4690s	every single ship is some kind of ECM
4693s	ship they still generally have about 2.5
4695s	000 DPS
4697s	um but that's kind of that's kind of
4698s	going into the weeds a little bit there
4700s	uh however this team definitely had more
4703s	um we saw a massive massive amount of
4706s	potential DPS but not actually any
4708s	applied from x877 because they had
4711s	Neutron Blaster cannons on their brutix
4713s	Navy issues a mystical might
4716s	what
4718s	I mean I guess there's the the age-old
4721s	big number mean good
4723s	um so if you're looking at tank big
4725s	number typically good if you're looking
4726s	at damage big number typically good and
4728s	there are trade-offs that you cut that
4730s	come with big damage which means uh
4732s	perhaps shorter range
4734s	um and in an 80 setting where
4737s	you know you have to make trade-offs
4739s	between control between tank and between
4741s	damage and projection
4744s	not having that projection is kind of uh
4746s	crippling for for some of the ships on
4749s	the x877 side if they'd had rails and
4752s	they were able to more effectively apply
4754s	to the hyena and the center at the
4756s	beginning of the match I think that
4758s	match would have been a lot closer
4760s	um they had the hyena webbed at one
4762s	point with the bag on webs which means
4764s	that they could have effectively removed
4765s	the the control that uh hidden ninja
4769s	Leaf Village had
4771s	um towards the beginning and then begin
4772s	burning in towards the exec and then
4773s	they could have perhaps traded a bit
4774s	more effectively
4776s	um but yeah I mean that their weapon
4778s	Choice really is one of the things that
4779s	attracted from their ability to win that
4782s	absolutely uh if you cannot get your
4785s	damage onto the other ship it doesn't
4786s	matter how much damage you actually have
4789s	there uh also do Jack so we've seen a
4793s	couple of these over the last uh I guess
4795s	this today and then last weekend these
4798s	really really high DPS High projection
4800s	setups and I think you called it a
4802s	pseudo dad so we're gonna call it a
4804s	pseudo dad
4805s	the kind of tell me how does that team
4806s	work why is it so good because they seem
4809s	to be winning a lot
4811s	yeah I I figured that I'd start saying
4814s	for the people who don't know why we
4816s	keep calling it Dad related things is it
4820s	used to have eight battle Cruisers and
4822s	be called Octodad you're no longer
4825s	allowed to take eight battle Cruisers so
4827s	you have to settle for four and you'll
4829s	take a number of Cruisers that do medium
4832s	long-range guns so like it's the whole
4836s	concept of the comp is take as many
4838s	medium long-range guns as you can
4841s	and apply to things and one of the
4845s	underrated issues with or like aspects
4848s	of medium long-range guns rails and
4850s	lasers is that they do kind of high
4853s	damage at shorter ranges so you you
4856s	decide what range the engagement is
4859s	going to take place at if you're flying
4861s	against ham Rush
4863s	you're doing more damage because you
4865s	don't have to stay far away and if
4867s	you're going up against something the
4869s	kites you can even decide to be so far
4872s	away that they can't hit you and at
4875s	every ass like at every range you do as
4878s	much damage as you can and try to pick
4880s	apart their team
4881s	from their most important ships to their
4884s	least important ships
4886s	absolutely well said it's a very very
4889s	powerful gives you a lot of flexibility
4891s	I think that uh it's also been called
4893s	like genton's called it Max threat a lot
4895s	of the sort of internal teams they'll
4897s	just call it like projection like
4899s	projection DPS setups uh very very very
4902s	strong we are seeing it quite uh quite
4905s	prevalent so far at least it's been very
4907s	winning like uh a couple teams have used
4910s	it and they're usually getting 100 no's
4911s	and Misty why is it so good this year
4914s	I think that well we've got the mix of
4918s	reasons one is that you can't bring
4920s	offensive ewo on all of your ships
4922s	nowadays so you have to bring a ship
4925s	that has an in a kind of equal bonus for
4928s	the type of evil that you want to bring
4929s	so you need to bring a curse a sentinel
4931s	a crucifier those types of ships if you
4933s	want tracking disruptors and those are
4935s	the ships or the type of Wee wall that
4937s	would really threaten
4939s	um the concept of the pseudo dad which
4941s	means that you can't project as far you
4942s	can't hit those smaller targets because
4944s	your tracking has been lowered that kind
4946s	of stuff
4947s	um so we've seen that kind of drop out
4948s	of the metal with the rule changes but I
4950s	think it's also just kind of easier to
4952s	fly because really you just need to
4954s	double click in One Direction which is
4956s	typically away from the enemy team
4959s	and they'll begin to fall over
4961s	um Target selection is going to be
4963s	really important so that's something
4964s	that they need to kind of work on a
4966s	little bit they'll need to know the
4968s	order of preference that they need to
4969s	put in place when calling their targets
4971s	and so like judex said they need to
4974s	understand what the really important
4975s	ships are that need to die at the start
4977s	but that's much easier to figure out
4980s	than perhaps how to do an ECM control
4982s	comp with like two damage ships because
4984s	that can fall apart really easily
4986s	whereas if you lose two or three damage
4988s	ships in your pseudo dad you still have
4990s	another like five to fall back on so
4993s	it's just ease of execution I think as
4995s	well
4997s	absolutely and uh you know it is it is
4999s	the feeders so you know I think that uh
5002s	something it's not that teams are
5004s	necessarily bringing bad comps it's that
5005s	they're not bringing their best setups
5007s	because all of these teams still have to
5009s	get through the actual tournament so if
5011s	they show their best thing now people
5013s	have over a month to uh figure out how
5015s	to counter it so always something to
5017s	think about it's a gets a little bit in
5019s	the weeds there are teams doing silly
5021s	things because they're silly or are they
5023s	doing it as part of this overall meta
5025s	thing uh obviously if they win it was
5027s	overall meta and if they lose then well
5029s	they lost so that is what it is uh but
5033s	that match is over we will be moving on
5035s	to high SEC minors versus castabouts
5037s	cast abouts upsetting their way into
5039s	this match so uh we saw cast abouts at
5042s	the beginning of the day uh people lost
5044s	a absolute boatload of Channel points
5046s	and we're going to be seeing them again
5049s	here so they really didn't have that
5052s	much turnaround at do check they only
5053s	had what about an hour hour and a half
5057s	yeah there's a lot of stress I I know as
5059s	a captain when you get the bad convo as
5063s	you're leaving your previous match like
5066s	there's not necessarily the first thing
5068s	that you want to think about like you
5070s	want to run and get something to drink
5071s	and so on and
5073s	like debrief your team from what
5076s	happened in the last match so
5079s	immediately on to it we might see them
5081s	bring something
5083s	similar unless they feel like they've
5086s	they're they've told people what they're
5089s	going to bring like if it's an encounter
5092s	then they're gonna have to switch it up
5095s	even if they like their com maybe if it
5097s	was a gocha moment it can't be the same
5101s	one again
5102s	well it kind of was a gotcha they did
5104s	the uh the sort of Honor tank setup I
5107s	guess is a good as as we learned that it
5110s	is called and we do actually have the
5111s	bands here and I can tell you that they
5113s	also ban different things so cast
5115s	about's banned the balgorn the bargist
5117s	and high SEC miners banned the Moss and
5120s	the carries so cast about last time at
5123s	their first match they banned the hyena
5126s	instead of the balgorn so a little bit
5129s	interesting there um Misty looking at
5131s	these bands like let's let's get a let's
5133s	get an amazing let's see predict the
5135s	comps again like you did a couple of
5136s	matches ago uh okay I could predict the
5139s	complicated matches ago because I had a
5141s	bit more idea about the teams and some
5143s	of the history and other tournaments
5145s	um in this particular case I feel like
5148s	high SEC miners again wants to have
5150s	perhaps some of those uh a
5152s	projection-esque comp I don't know if
5154s	it's going to be necessarily in the same
5156s	vein as pseudod
5158s	um it might be that they're just looking
5159s	to be able to project out with armor
5161s	while they burn in and don't want to be
5164s	pinned down a little bit by the damps
5166s	that would be coming in from the Morris
5167s	and Carries and with cost about it looks
5170s	like they're just trying to remove high
5171s	damage burst at range and also the
5173s	crippling effect of Newton Webbs from
5175s	the balgorn so again I I think both
5177s	teams are probably just gonna brawl
5179s	to be honest or at least have armor comp
5181s	sorry
5183s	um that kind of want to sit within like
5185s	50 to 70k
5188s	all right and uh do Jack what are you
5189s	what do you feel in here like look at
5191s	looking at this what are you kind of
5192s	expecting to see I mean
5197s	yes
5199s	I well for my match I did Bam the I'm
5203s	always scariest it's kind of
5206s	that doesn't say a lot about what you
5208s	want to go like if you're not facing
5211s	molluskares you could be projecting and
5213s	you could be wanting to lock something
5216s	far away that you're running away from
5218s	or you could be wanting to be stationary
5221s	and shooting something far away that is
5224s	trying to get away from you so I'm not
5225s	like I'm not reading a whole lot into
5228s	that except for like I assume that
5230s	they're more likely to be on the
5231s	mid-range control setup of something
5234s	armor-based whereas the two other bands
5238s	I'm gonna go ahead and say that they
5240s	don't want to face something that is
5243s	going to restrict their movement too
5245s	much so Vargas will kill your range a
5247s	balgorn will web your range so I think
5250s	they are more likely to want to kite a
5252s	bit or at least be able to close the
5255s	different distance quickly
5257s	and
5258s	I guess we're going to see something
5260s	galante
5261s	flavored for guest boats
5265s	awesome well they have uh they have been
5267s	doing interesting Hall tank setups
5268s	already in the past so you know that is
5271s	uh very very likely here uh we are
5274s	actually going to head to the arena in
5276s	just a second here because both teams
5277s	have landed and it does appear that they
5280s	are ready to do spaceship things and
5283s	there's some interesting stuff going on
5284s	here
5285s	um I can give you a little hint that a
5287s	certain Caster will be very very happy
5289s	because one of their favorite ships is
5290s	on grid so we have to hand this off to
5293s	uh fear and Alec
5301s	welcome back to the arena my name is
5302s	servanda joined by Alexa card and on the
5305s	blue side Caster belts have brought a
5308s	very tanky version of a shield Rush comp
5311s	uh with a lot of uptank ships a Cerberus
5314s	a Nighthawk Cyclone Fleet issue but not
5316s	as much ham damage as you typically
5318s	expect from this uh type of setup with
5322s	really only four ham ships
5324s	yeah and I think unfortunately for them
5325s	they're about to run into a big wall of
5327s	hit points with a double a baton
5328s	Vindicator core supported by some light
5330s	tackle here this is gonna be dicey for
5333s	cast abouts
5335s	yeah those 90 webs on The Vindicator can
5338s	be very dicey to deal with but you also
5339s	have to remember the Nighthawk and the
5341s	Loki both push over a thousand DPS with
5343s	heat uh and uh one of them is not damage
5346s	locked so as we see the start this is
5349s	actually going to be a wraparound play
5350s	from the side of cast about so I'm going
5352s	to try to dodge this Magus trying to
5355s	burst in towards the rest of their team
5357s	right now the mall are of complexity and
5359s	Tulare is actually currently the primary
5361s	target from cast about as they try to
5364s	get away uh from this Vindicator for the
5367s	time being
5368s	meanwhile nobody told the hawk which
5370s	just ran in straight away he is uh not
5373s	paying the price for it though actually
5375s	in fact the Magus from Isaac miners oh
5378s	just got melted absolutely melted that
5381s	links down
5382s	so what's happening right now is uh
5386s	castabouts are going straight for the
5387s	support Wing uh typically in a shield
5389s	Rush setup you go from uh trying to get
5392s	the highest DPS per ehp off the field uh
5395s	as quickly as possible especially in the
5396s	showbrush mirror match this time around
5398s	they want to get the links off the table
5399s	in order to get the Vindicator webs down
5402s	to a normal range because the indicator
5404s	doesn't have range bonuses on the webs
5406s	but does have the strength bonuses and
5408s	we see here the fleet Cyclone of Red
5410s	House going down very quickly this is an
5413s	effective ship to take down in the least
5414s	tanky ship from cast about uh under
5417s	these Vindicator webs he is not long for
5419s	the world with all the damage that
5420s	blasters uh plus the pulse lasers of
5423s	these Abbas gives towards them
5428s	the late game prioritizing the links
5430s	here now they're going after the
5431s	logistics of the Thalia Deacon they're
5433s	trying to clip the support Wing to
5435s	isolate these battleships it's making
5437s	them more controllable reducing the
5438s	range of the Vindicator as you said fear
5440s	but also reducing their Mobility
5442s	reducing the things they can tackle for
5444s	them reducing reps that will come into
5446s	those bonus to Baton resist hulls
5448s	they're really playing to to just chip
5451s	away all the support and slowly chop
5453s	down this team and they're methodically
5455s	doing so mowing down the support wing of
5458s	high SEC miners and interestingly Jay on
5461s	Burrell is currently getting damage from
5463s	these Abbas they do have relatively high
5465s	production just because of the way the
5466s	pulses work but at the same time he's
5468s	able to actually shrug this off uh
5470s	fairly effectively because he's Tech got
5472s	Tech Two mimitar resists and actually
5474s	has quite a bit of em and thermal uh
5478s	resistances right now so while the rest
5479s	of his team is deleting the control in
5481s	the low end from the side of high-sec
5484s	miners he's just taking this damage
5486s	right now while the rest of his team has
5488s	decided to uh take down this arbitrator
5491s	uh probably gonna hold on the smaller
5492s	right now and then move on to this
5494s	Vindicator who is now all on his own uh
5498s	with no actual support Wing to help him
5500s	out in fact the hawk has pinned down The
5503s	Vindicator who has counter webbed him
5505s	but they're still not able to track
5507s	actually the hawk being kept up very
5509s	comfortably just by a set of light
5511s	Shield Bots
5513s	yeah and uh obviously the tech 2 medium
5517s	or Tech too large wrappers from the
5519s	Scimitar as well uh do a lot of range
5523s	you have semitar as well he's got the
5525s	projection uh he's got the speed to
5526s	basically kite this out this is actually
5528s	a really good adaptation from cast about
5530s	uh to start this match off uh I think
5534s	something that a lot of people expect
5536s	when you see a shield brush is to just
5538s	go straight in and then try to take the
5540s	big things out of the picture but we see
5541s	from cast abouts they're starting with
5543s	the low end they're working with their
5544s	way back up they finally have taken down
5546s	the Maller and they can actually win the
5548s	score of attrition because they're
5549s	faster and there's no actual ability for
5553s	anyone from the side of high-tec miners
5555s	to catch anyone from cast abouts because
5557s	all their ships are really really slow
5559s	so even though you have 90 webs it's
5561s	just not going to be enough that said
5562s	they're all piling onto this Vindicator
5564s	now as he is not going to be very long
5566s	for the world under the pressure of
5568s	three hand boats
5569s	yeah absolute MVP plays from Ian
5572s	Wakefield the hawk pilot on castabouts
5575s	he fearlessly charged him while the rest
5577s	of his team was trying to kite around he
5579s	beelined for that Vindicator got onto
5582s	him with the scram and has stayed under
5583s	his guns keeping him pinned and immobile
5586s	for this entire match making it
5588s	relatively trivial for cast about to
5590s	maneuver around that sphere of death
5592s	that the 90 Vindicator webs usually
5595s	entails that Hawk has no problems he has
5598s	bonus kinetic thermal so he will take
5601s	very little damage from The Blasters of
5604s	The Vindicator and he's just been parked
5606s	there keeping him like I said perfectly
5608s	immobile barely taking any damage and
5611s	that vindi has just played a non-factor
5613s	in this match despite being arguably a
5615s	linchpin of the high SEC minor setup a
5618s	pin that is about to be pulled as his
5620s	structure goes down
5621s	this is just really really well played
5624s	from cast about I like I can't say it
5627s	enough uh the difference between good
5629s	executional Shield rush and bad
5631s	execution on the shield brush that still
5633s	wins is the ability to tell when to
5636s	actually pull the trigger I think a lot
5638s	of teams when they see a shield Rush
5640s	shut up or they fly Shield Rush setup
5641s	they immediately think well we just got
5644s	to go in and be as efficient with their
5645s	damage as possible but here we saw uh a
5649s	higher level of execution where they say
5651s	Okay This ship's a linchpin but we can
5652s	take them out without of the match
5654s	without uh taking our ships and putting
5658s	them in a danger zone and so you saw
5661s	that Hawk pilot go in well the hawk even
5664s	though these under 90 webs has a tiny
5666s	tiny Sig radius and while he's able to
5669s	keep this uh Vindicator down the Abbas
5672s	can't actually shoot him with their
5673s	pulses because they have some not
5676s	amazing tracking uh on those Abbas so
5678s	the Abbas went for the Scimitar who's
5680s	bonus against that Emma all uh and he's
5684s	able to survive the entire time this
5685s	Loki is able to survive the entire time
5686s	it's just beautiful play from the side
5689s	of castabouts yeah they lost a fleet
5691s	Cyclone but in a matchup that I think a
5693s	lot of times can go the way of the armor
5695s	control they saw their opportunities and
5698s	they were able to capitalize on them and
5701s	win this match is going to be 100 to 15
5702s	once this Abba goes down
5704s	and I think also a shout out to the cast
5706s	about FC very methodical shot calling
5709s	um isolating that Target as you've said
5711s	and then systematically picking apart
5714s	the high SEC minors comp from the most
5716s	important ships to the least important
5718s	ships as they talked about in the
5719s	commentary desk before this match got
5721s	going taking out the links understanding
5723s	this was going to be a long match with
5724s	the big Battleship bitpoint pools and
5727s	just then going for the logistics then
5730s	the disruption and then finally the
5733s	battleships that they had isolated and
5734s	pinned down for so long that were really
5737s	non-factors here aside from killing that
5739s	cyclone and they just left them for last
5741s	because without that support they were
5743s	absolutely powerless and that's the way
5745s	this match played out as we throw it
5747s	back to the desk for some analysis
5755s	foreign
5762s	[Music]
5770s	are you in the armor Vagabond or
5773s	something no um I've got axle ISP
5778s	and polarized guns or what
5784s	foreign
5786s	you you are one of two people that
5790s	couldn't listen and couldn't check
5791s	bookmarks and find your own way out the
5794s	route the entire route was literally
5796s	bookmarked out to Lasik I bookmarked it
5799s	10 minutes in advance
5800s	guys stop being casual they're really
5803s	bad we should not lose anybody to this
5805s	warp off take the fleet warp everybody
5807s	warp off this is a really really bad
5809s	execution I'm very disappointed
5815s	and with that cast about says cast High
5817s	SEC minors out of the feeders they are
5819s	gone they will not be returning until
5821s	potentially the next Alliance tournament
5824s	uh pretty good play on cast about's part
5826s	we did see a shield Rush um it was a
5829s	little bit different from some of the
5830s	ones we've seen but uh do Jack like how
5833s	did you like that match what did you
5834s	think about it
5836s	it was a good match I feel like I would
5839s	have
5840s	not wanted to be on the cast about side
5843s	of that normally I
5846s	like how they handled that like when I
5849s	get put in a shield rush I'm like okay
5851s	we need to kill something big and when
5855s	all you have are hams everything looks
5858s	like a battleship and killing all the
5861s	low end and securing tackle to survive
5864s	it was a good play and it won them the
5866s	game
5868s	absolutely they uh they definitely did
5871s	the correct move there
5874s	um I believe uh Wingnut in our back
5875s	Channel said it was a shield Rush that
5877s	was smart enough not to rush and uh
5879s	Misty like do you do you agree with that
5881s	do you think that's pretty good way of
5883s	uh explaining that fight
5885s	yeah I mean to be fed the way that cost
5886s	about played kind of took me by surprise
5889s	um I wasn't paying massive attention to
5891s	the weapon systems until someone pointed
5892s	out that it was Shield Rush at which
5894s	point I had to go take a look at some of
5896s	the ships and see how fast they were
5897s	shooting their missiles and what weapon
5899s	systems they were actually using
5901s	um I think that they played it really
5902s	well
5903s	um I think that the type of approach
5906s	that they took in this match isn't
5907s	something that we typically expect from
5909s	some teams going into the feeders right
5911s	because they'll either have a history
5913s	behind them of not necessarily doing as
5916s	well as one would hope or they're fairly
5918s	new to the at and the stresses that come
5920s	with it and I think that costs about
5922s	some of whether that really well by
5924s	finding themselves in a position that by
5926s	all means they should probably really
5928s	really struggle to win
5930s	um and managing to play it in a way that
5932s	allows them to claw back I suppose
5935s	Victory from the jaws of defeat in that
5937s	sense
5938s	um I think that there are some things
5940s	that high SEC miners could have done a
5941s	little bit better
5942s	they allowed their Vindicator to be
5944s	pinned down for a significant portion of
5947s	that match by a single Hawk the hawk did
5950s	an amazing job but the Vindicator while
5952s	webbing down that Hawk should have
5953s	instructed the rest of his damp his
5955s	battleships to switch
5957s	um and clear that hook as soon as
5959s	possible thus freeing The Vindicator to
5961s	actually start chasing down some of the
5962s	ships on the cost of outside by leaving
5965s	that Vindicator pinned They removed a
5967s	lot of the web threat I suppose that The
5971s	Vindicator carries and also it's not
5973s	able to project because it has blasters
5974s	fit so they effectively nullified The
5977s	Vindicator in this match for a
5979s	significant portion of it but yeah I'm
5981s	really happy to see how car spouse has
5982s	played
5984s	absolutely they uh we did see The
5986s	Vindicator shoot the hawk once actually
5988s	and The Blasters knocked it down almost
5991s	40 shield in one hit and then I think
5993s	that the hawk kit is ADC the indicator
5996s	shot again and was like wow I'm not
5997s	doing damage and then uh High SEC miners
6000s	just decided to stop shooting the hawk
6002s	for the rest of the match and I think
6004s	everybody uh and anyone who's flown
6006s	bunions are against mutants on TQ knows
6008s	that once the ADC is popped you just
6009s	switch back to them 10 seconds later and
6011s	uh you can kill them but all that being
6014s	said uh we will be seeing pandemic
6016s	Legion versus White Flag however we will
6019s	not be seeing them for approximately
6020s	half an hour uh we are going to take a
6023s	break here just a little bit so that
6025s	everybody can go get water do their
6027s	things are amazing insane ref team uh
6030s	definitely needs a break because they
6032s	are doing all of the behind the scenes
6034s	stuff that makes this continue to run on
6036s	time uh every single time so huge shout
6039s	out to them uh but other than that we
6041s	are actually going to send it off to a
6042s	break we will return at probably about
6045s	1855 maybe a little later for pandemic
6048s	Legion versus white flag and more
6049s	spaceship explosions so see you then
6053s	welcome back to the feeders after the
6055s	break and I am now joined by Mark
6057s	resurrectus and moderator uh the
6060s	well-known person who constantly mutes
6063s	people in the back of the stream just
6064s	because it's funny he is an agent of
6066s	pure chaos and evil moderator how are
6069s	you doing
6070s	you know I'm glad to be here joined by
6072s	uh Mark we got Eminem here and uh
6074s	BlackMart pirate should be an excellent
6076s	cast excellent round of uh matches
6079s	coming through a lot of these are going
6080s	to be teams competing
6082s	um in the very first round so Direct in
6084s	to the main Alliance tournament and I'm
6087s	looking forward to seeing these matches
6089s	awesome and Mark how are you
6093s	Bart I'm doing very well thank you as
6096s	always I'm extremely excited about
6099s	another thrilling round of matches this
6102s	is where Champions are made bar this is
6105s	where the people come together to really
6107s	show who is cream of the crop and I want
6110s	to be here for it and I'm glad I am
6112s	thank you
6114s	awesome I see you are you're practicing
6117s	for your uh burgeoning ASMR career after
6120s	all of the Wormhole teams are out and
6122s	they evict you from space you will
6124s	become an ASMR Champion but what I'm
6126s	really practicing for and what you what
6128s	the people at home don't know is that I
6129s	made a bet with fear of vinyl last week
6131s	that if uh my bracket does better than
6134s	his bracket I know we're not supposed to
6135s	talk about the brackets but if his
6137s	bracket does better than my bracket I
6139s	have to wear a shirt going forward uh so
6141s	I'm I'm trialing that out today I do
6143s	have a shirt on this is extremely
6145s	unusual for me uh but the upside is that
6148s	if I win fear Vine has to shave his head
6150s	so really I mean who's who's risking
6154s	something here that's awesome yeah you
6156s	kind of won out on that one that was uh
6158s	fears making interesting choices uh
6161s	speaking of interesting choices we
6162s	actually have a match coming up in three
6164s	minutes and we should talk about that
6166s	because it is the uh legendary probably
6170s	I think Infamous is probably a good word
6171s	for it pandemic Legion versus white flag
6174s	a pandemic Legion being one of the
6177s	oldest tournament teams in existence in
6180s	Eve online uh have had a little bit of a
6183s	rough patch recently but here they are
6185s	again in the feeders Banning the
6186s	executor Navy issue and the hyena with
6189s	white flag Banning the abandoned the
6190s	deacons so moderator let's let's talk
6192s	about this a little bit
6193s	yeah so pandemic Legion saying hey you
6196s	know your white flag you're a Hydra
6197s	practice partner we're wanting to get
6199s	rid of the executive Navy issue
6201s	um the comp that can definitely fit into
6203s	a lot of the white flight armor comps
6205s	and they want to take out the hyena
6206s	which is going to be an excellent range
6209s	control ship
6210s	um kind of White Flag formerly Locker
6213s	Engineers flew that very well in the
6215s	last year so understandable that they
6217s	would not want that here
6219s	excellent yes a white flag is relatively
6223s	they did pretty dang well last year I
6224s	believe they either got top 8 or top six
6226s	uh so good tournament pedigree a lot of
6229s	well-known tournament Players there uh
6232s	Mark what are you what are you thinking
6233s	is going to happen here like give us a
6235s	quick little rundown
6236s	I think the white flag team is gonna
6238s	look really good in this match uh I know
6239s	PL has a a storied tournament pedigree
6243s	uh but PL the alliance also has a story
6246s	to tournament pedigree which has been
6248s	diminished somewhat of late and I think
6251s	we're going to see a lot of that here
6252s	the White Flag uh we didn't talk too
6254s	much about the White Flag bands but
6256s	going with avadon and Deacon I think is
6259s	just a I mean you know Staples of any
6261s	heavy armor comp that you'll see in one
6263s	of these uh especially in the feeder
6266s	matches you know you'll see a lot of
6267s	teams field uh dual Abaddon sometimes
6270s	they'll feel you know vegan as part of
6272s	their their
6273s	um you know their armor logic so finding
6275s	a way to put limitations on that forcing
6277s	teams to be more flexible
6279s	um I think is is a smart move here
6281s	absolutely and the teams are just
6284s	starting to land so we do have a little
6285s	tiny bit of time here uh before it goes
6288s	off so I'm just gonna get a quick round
6289s	of predictions a moderator who are you
6291s	feeling is winning this one uh White
6293s	Flag by Landslide I a landslide uh Mark
6297s	what are you thinking
6299s	I mean the smart money's on White Flag I
6301s	feel I could be pretty dumb if I didn't
6302s	say White Flag so I'm gonna say white
6304s	flag
6305s	all right we got two for white flag and
6308s	one person being neutral which is the
6310s	worst of all things to do however we are
6312s	going to send it off to the arena right
6314s	here because the teams are ready and
6315s	they are about to begin blowing each
6317s	other up
6321s	hello everyone and welcome to the arena
6324s	we are here to watch pandemic Legion go
6326s	up against White Flag Dot and here we
6329s	can see that white flag dot have brought
6331s	something very traditional their own
6332s	little take on the max threat setup with
6334s	four battle Cruisers and three uh
6336s	Cruisers all aiming to use those medium
6338s	guns to just Spam out High application
6341s	DPS at the start of the match what if PL
6344s	brought against that uh right they
6346s	brought the double pancake set up with a
6348s	lot of Rapid lights back up I believe
6350s	interesting thing as well is that the
6351s	mole that's in the um the uh quad battle
6354s	cruiser comp is actually has guns that's
6356s	actually a gun molar on top of the organ
6358s	navies I thought it was going to be
6359s	notes as a backup but no they've brought
6361s	guns and everything this is a lot of DPS
6362s	with the carries to give it to more
6364s	support as the match is underway
6367s	yeah we can see that Osprey taking a
6369s	massive amount of DPS really quickly off
6371s	the bat the range and application of
6373s	those medium guns just coming into play
6374s	immediately taking it into structure
6376s	that's nine points off the board right
6378s	away and they're going for the trade
6379s	here they're trying to use the long
6380s	range and high application of those RL
6382s	analysis and rhmls from the bar guests
6384s	to take through that order in return but
6386s	look at the damage that they're doing to
6387s	these support ships they are not going
6389s	to have boosts for very very long here
6391s	the PLC somebody else
6393s	and these rapid light comes are well
6394s	known for being able to kill support
6395s	really quickly but basically they are
6397s	forced into training for the organ
6398s	otherwise they're just going to lose it
6399s	outright and already it's kind of
6400s	already too late so Paul Wing's dead
6402s	osprey's dead the small ships are dying
6404s	rapid lights are trying to kill the
6405s	carriers of trying you know bring
6406s	something back but auger keeping it
6408s	alive this has gone so bad so quickly
6411s	this is just so much projection from
6413s	these four battle cruises plus auger
6414s	news ah don't count them out just yet PL
6416s	still have ways back into this match
6418s	even uh Tim Baron might have done a
6419s	great job in getting away from that
6421s	initial uh burst volley some House of
6423s	managing to survive against all of those
6425s	missiles oh actually that I say that in
6427s	full on one grave and the bar guests
6432s	the longer tin last the longer it keeps
6434s	in this Arena the more it hurts for PL
6436s	and with the bug is going into Hull and
6439s	Tin still just holding an armor I think
6441s	he's about to go down there he goes and
6443s	you can see the lead already built for
6445s	this team they've got all their DPS
6446s	caught intact they've killed off you
6448s	know a good chunk of DPS for a PL
6450s	that I mean it's a very tall mountain to
6452s	try and ask them to climb especially
6453s	when they've got instant projection
6454s	battle Cruisers versus a rapid heavy
6456s	clip
6457s	yeah the one good thing you can say
6459s	about pandemic Legion at this point is
6460s	that they still haven't had anything
6462s	really get caught down but it doesn't
6464s	matter when you're facing this much
6465s	projection and this much DPS they're
6467s	going to kill you even if you can run
6468s	away until the ends of the Earth yeah if
6471s	they were going against a rush comp like
6472s	a like a blaster rushcom this comp would
6474s	be really good from PL but unfortunately
6476s	they're not they're beginning to come
6477s	back and very happily engage them at the
6479s	exact same range and apply more DPS
6481s	doing so you see verdict in the carries
6483s	is still alive the more sorry the auger
6487s	is long gone and this guy's still won't
6489s	die there he finally goes and finally
6491s	gets hung Off the Grid but
6492s	it's just painful it's not a CPO now on
6495s	reload as well and this must be like the
6498s	most depressing thing to experience
6499s	you're just sitting there waiting to die
6501s	looking at a progress Tyler knowing
6503s	you're probably not going to survive
6504s	until by point it actually Runs Out
6507s	also someone's shooting them all I mean
6509s	really are you picking them all
6513s	I mean okay your grenade's a tanky but
6515s	they're more resist bonus with a
6516s	reactive it's not gonna be fun when
6517s	you've got Rapids
6519s	absolutely absolutely I I will say
6522s	though this is a really interesting
6523s	little variation on the uh Max track
6526s	comp that we're seeing here from White
6528s	Flag it'll be uh I'll be curious to see
6530s	if that comes to the Forefront with the
6532s	other teams you know there's no
6533s	executive ladies at all there that's the
6536s	interesting thing I think about this
6537s	comp is this here is a showing that you
6539s	can't just ban the exact Navy and expect
6541s	that will remove these battle cruiser
6543s	heavy comps because you can just go okay
6545s	well fine we can't bring these but we
6547s	can bring organovies pay a few more
6549s	points and still get an incredibly
6550s	potent comp it is kind of showing how do
6553s	you ban this out properly
6556s	yeah you pretty much can't
6559s	yeah I'm just gonna sit here and wait
6561s	for Destroyer to die unfortunately he's
6563s	got just a few last little bits of HP
6566s	remaining and all of those blue Cruisers
6568s	just converging on him now as well what
6572s	Target is he shooting at the one ship
6573s	there is actually the easiest Kilt to
6575s	kill oh he's going for an mjd he's going
6577s	for a pound tree record in a podcast
6581s	but he's definitely going to go for a
6583s	long distance he's going for that
6584s	Wormhole look there's a wormhole out
6585s	there go for it buddy get out of here
6587s	pop
6589s	well that's uh that's definitely not one
6591s	way you want to see PL go but uh well
6593s	done very potent win for a white flag
6596s	and go back to the studio and see what
6597s	they think
6605s	[Music]
6610s	[Music]
6619s	[Music]
6643s	[Music]
6649s	did it
6653s	[Music]
6658s	White Flag absolutely punishing pandemic
6660s	legiona that was probably one of the
6662s	fastest matches that we've had today if
6664s	not the fastest um very very brutal uh
6668s	pretty much it wasn't you know 100 zero
6670s	but it was definitely quite quick
6672s	moderator what happened there
6674s	yeah so pandemic Legion ran a kite comp
6678s	against a kite comp but a kite comp that
6681s	has generally less Mobility but instead
6684s	it trades for more projection and more
6686s	damage and we saw just kind of a very
6688s	brutal trade where the white flag team
6691s	worked through the logistics and then
6693s	burn out the
6694s	um support end and then basically
6696s	snowball that pandemic Legion having the
6699s	rabbit Heavies kind of dumped all their
6701s	damage early whereas every single ship
6704s	on the side of white flag with a gunship
6706s	which does consistent damage and you'll
6709s	just can't take that trade long term
6712s	yeah it's uh it was it was pretty rough
6715s	um obviously pandemic Legion was still
6717s	able to get a couple kills uh ten Baron
6719s	died as 10 Baron does but ten Baron
6721s	often dies and his team still wins it's
6724s	one of the most storied and long-term
6726s	Logistics Pilots uh very very good pilot
6729s	and Mark uh you know what do you have to
6731s	say about that match well what's
6733s	interesting and it's funny that you
6734s	bring up the the fact that Tim Baron was
6736s	was able to survive in a lot of cases
6738s	what you'll see and this is he he played
6740s	this very well he used his body as a
6744s	kind of a a lightning rod of their
6746s	attention right we talk a lot of times
6747s	about teams tunneling too hard on one
6750s	Target in this case you have two Bargas
6752s	who in any situation are usually able to
6755s	clip a uh flip an OG uh with their with
6758s	their rapid Heavies
6759s	um but spending too much time focused on
6761s	the OG which is important you have to
6763s	get rid of it at some point while the OG
6765s	is burning way away from the rest of the
6767s	match uh and at the same time you know
6769s	while the rest of your team is then you
6771s	know getting uh getting you know chipped
6774s	up from the bottom is a smart move and
6776s	and 10 played it exactly the way he
6777s	needed to he's you know like I said he
6779s	he was a fleshy Target he threw himself
6781s	out there shook his uh Shook You Know
6784s	shook his business a little bit got
6785s	their attention and then scampered and
6788s	that was uh it was it was very well
6789s	played pretty good
6791s	yeah let's let's talk about that a
6793s	little bit actually so missile
6794s	application and missile mechanics is
6796s	probably one of the most complex things
6799s	in Eve online uh some of the stuff is
6801s	easy but the missile if you ever looked
6803s	at the formula it has more letters than
6805s	numbers in it and that generally means
6806s	the math is more complicated uh so we
6809s	actually have a pretty awesome little
6811s	graph and not really graph a visual
6813s	about missiles and moderator kind of
6815s	walk us through it a little bit here
6818s	yeah so we're kind of going through how
6821s	the application works and
6823s	um basically if you're a small ship
6826s	you're able to outrun kind of the blast
6828s	and the explosion uh you know radius of
6831s	those ships so take like a jaguar or a
6835s	smaller ship is able to go much faster
6836s	than say a cruiser or a battleship which
6839s	will take you know the full
6841s	um you know range of that and some
6844s	missiles explode faster than others for
6847s	example the rapid lights
6849s	um explode very quickly but they don't
6851s	do a lot of damage compare that to
6853s	Something Like a Torpedo which does a
6855s	ton of damage uh basically Battleship or
6857s	bomber type of weapon but it explodes
6860s	very slowly so they're very poor against
6862s	smaller ships excellent against killing
6865s	um you know battleships and capitals as
6867s	many people hunt with him
6869s	and we kind of saw that there we had a
6871s	augur which has a very low it's it's a
6873s	very low signature radius so in Eve
6875s	terms that means it is small for the
6877s	missile and uh it just didn't take that
6880s	much damage it survived for a very long
6882s	time
6882s	um there's also a weird thing about
6884s	missiles 2 that some people uh don't
6887s	quite get necessarily which is that if
6889s	you're kiting away from them their range
6891s	is actually smaller uh Mark do you kind
6893s	of do you feel comfortable explaining
6895s	why that is if you're cutting a range of
6897s	away from a missile the range of the
6899s	missile is smaller
6900s	well that's because the missile the
6902s	missile itself only has such you know
6904s	from the point that the missile leaves
6906s	your ship the missile has a pre or a
6908s	predetermined amount of distance it can
6910s	go right the missile is always going to
6912s	hit you if it's within that range if if
6913s	it can you know if it can keep Pace with
6916s	you we've seen people outrun you know
6918s	larger missiles before in smaller faster
6920s	ships right so if you are then kiting
6923s	away from that ship this the point where
6925s	the the missile starts is here you may
6927s	be here as you're both moving this
6929s	through Direction it may seem to the
6931s	person who's hiding after you that the
6933s	range between you and the missile is is
6935s	you know about the same Soul as before
6938s	or closing but the missile the missile
6940s	started way all the way back here so
6943s	it's one of those situations where that
6945s	that count starts immediately after the
6947s	missiles fired if it if it runs out
6949s	before it hits the target the missile
6951s	just dies in space and that's just that
6952s	you know it won't it won't apply so
6956s	um that's why a lot of times people will
6957s	say against you know against missile
6959s	comps especially against missile comps
6960s	they don't have the same kind of range
6961s	like we've talked before about uh like
6964s	hams and how hams are maybe not optimal
6966s	in these kind of fights hams don't have
6968s	nearly as much range as heavy missiles
6971s	uh or cruise missiles uh so a good uh
6974s	tactic is if you can just get out of the
6977s	way of the missile just just get away
6978s	just run away uh and you'll be fine no
6980s	big deal
6982s	yeah missiles missiles are weird um it
6985s	is a
6986s	fantastic weapon system because you
6989s	don't have to worry about tracking
6990s	however there are other things you do
6992s	have to worry about so uh with tin Baron
6995s	flying directly away from them it
6997s	actually made a lot of the missiles
6998s	early missiles not apply so it was a
7000s	very very good call incidentally you can
7002s	also have it work the opposite direction
7003s	if you charge into missiles the
7005s	effective DPS of the missiles will
7007s	actually be higher because you are
7009s	getting hit faster something you don't
7011s	really see that much a long long time
7013s	ago in a galaxy far I'm not going to say
7016s	that finish that I don't want to get
7017s	copyrighted uh but there is tactics like
7021s	Cavalry Ravens or uh maybe more relevant
7024s	to the tournament bombers where the
7026s	bombers would charge in and get two or
7028s	three torpedo volleys to hit at the same
7029s	time very very hard to do you don't
7032s	really see it that much anymore because
7033s	bombers just die nowadays thanks to
7036s	things like what we just saw eight
7037s	gunships is a lot of gunships it's like
7039s	a lot a lot of gunships um that being
7042s	said looking at the comp mod that was
7043s	kind of a throwback from PL like how
7046s	obviously it didn't win but how do you
7048s	feel about that setup in general with
7050s	this tournament this rules
7052s	so last year we especially didn't see it
7055s	at all because
7057s	um we used to have guidance disruption
7059s	being on any ship and now you can really
7061s	only put the scripts on any ship that
7064s	has a bonus to it and the problem that
7066s	we're running into with a lot of these
7069s	kind of setups is that they really are
7072s	hurt by exactly one arbitrator or one
7077s	if you get guidance or range disruption
7079s	on you know like four or five ships
7083s	you're down like 70 of your range and
7086s	for a cop that needs to kite it means
7087s	you have to close to tackle range if you
7091s	want to apply any damage which is
7092s	basically a complete and utter death
7094s	sentence and makes the comp I'd say
7096s	borderline non-viable if you run against
7099s	opponents that have good disruption
7101s	comps
7102s	absolutely obviously with the rule
7104s	change you can't fit disruption on every
7106s	single ship anymore so you can't do what
7108s	uh I believe tuscars did last time where
7110s	they flew a shield missile kite set up
7112s	except everybody was actually armor and
7114s	they had two to three disruptors per
7116s	can't do that anymore it does kind
7118s	of weaken it but uh we did see two
7119s	bargists which has been getting banned
7121s	quite a bit and we actually have a
7122s	little graphic about it Bargas are one
7124s	of the most picked and winninger ships
7126s	in the at and Mark can you kind of maybe
7130s	take a look at this graphic and maybe
7132s	talk about it a little bit because it's
7134s	such an interesting spaceship in the
7135s	alliance tournament yeah the Bargas is
7137s	just it does a lot of things for you it
7139s	it fits into it fits into so many kite
7141s	comps so well the Bargas has a bonus to
7145s	missile flight time uh and it also has
7147s	longer
7149s	um uh points and wet or points and
7151s	scrams rather
7152s	me as because it's the mortgage ship uh
7155s	so you you end up with with rabbit
7157s	Heavies especially you get such long
7159s	range on these on these missiles that
7160s	can apply so well to you know Cruisers
7163s	battle Cruisers
7165s	um and while you are limited by the uh
7169s	the clip size of the rapid Heavies and
7171s	this is something we talked about it at
7173s	the Break
7174s	um you know rapid Heavies have a set
7176s	clip size I can't remember exactly what
7178s	it is for Rapid heavy twos but you say
7180s	25 30 missiles once you've run through
7182s	that you don't you don't reload nearly
7184s	as quickly as uh you would with a normal
7186s	weapon system it takes about you know a
7188s	minute or so 30 seconds to a minute or
7190s	so to to reload and then you can you can
7193s	fire again so when we talk about people
7195s	firing rapid Heavies we talk about
7197s	clipping how can you kill something in a
7199s	clip if you can't kill somebody in a
7201s	clip you're in you're in a tough spot
7202s	but Vargas do so much damage they're so
7204s	fast they have a lot of ehp uh people
7207s	have run you know two three bargain
7209s	steps before and you can pretty pretty
7211s	without too much trouble clip most
7213s	things in the game they still need a lot
7215s	of application they still need you know
7216s	webs from ships like the hyena you still
7219s	need
7220s	um you know Paints in a lot of cases for
7221s	going after smaller targets but they are
7224s	extremely strong in the right hands and
7226s	and a lot of teams we saw I mean teams
7228s	that were up on that list Volta Hydra
7230s	and these are teams that are perennial
7232s	you know top top 10 top five teams uh in
7235s	the tournament so uh it is it is not a
7238s	surprise to me that they are just one of
7241s	those one of those kind of s tier ships
7243s	in this tournament
7244s	it definitely is an S tier ship uh we
7247s	have been seeing it being banned quite a
7249s	bit obviously it was not banned in that
7250s	match and they got taken however that
7253s	match is over and we are about to see
7255s	boundary experts versus fraternity dot
7258s	um and spoiler alert we will not be
7260s	seeing barges because fraternity banned
7262s	the Vargas so boundary experts uh ban
7265s	the abaddin and the celestis we've been
7267s	kind of seeing a lot of a bad in bands
7268s	but that's one of the first celestis
7270s	bands we've seen and then we have
7272s	fraternity banding the Bargas and the
7275s	Scimitar so moderator like let's walk
7278s	through these bands a little bit here
7279s	yeah so about and we've seen it used as
7282s	you've mentioned earlier in a lot of
7284s	heavy armor comps it has a lot of tank a
7286s	lot of damage for the point to bring
7288s	celestis
7290s	um basically essentially the cruiser
7293s	version of the mollus and the carries it
7297s	just has a lot more mid slots and you
7299s	know can fit that many more dams not
7301s	very tanky but if you can't lock it you
7304s	can't hit it
7305s	um fraternity Banning the bargist in the
7307s	Scimitar really signals to me that they
7309s	do not want to fly against the kite comp
7311s	Our Guest you would definitely use in
7313s	the kite comp Scimitar again uh used in
7317s	a lot of kind of these more positional
7320s	um Fly killer or Shield Rush setups that
7323s	want to really focus on positioning so
7325s	both teams kind of signaling what they
7328s	don't want to deal with
7331s	absolutely and uh Mark so it's kind of
7335s	one of those things so boundary experts
7337s	I mean you can tell by their little icon
7338s	that they are definitely a team that was
7341s	made to play in the tournament but we
7343s	see fraternity here and
7345s	they've performed relatively well in the
7347s	alliance tournament over the years like
7349s	kind of how are you feeling this is
7350s	going to go down it's really interesting
7352s	to me when you talk about groups the
7354s	size of groups like fraternity groups
7356s	like goons group like P horde
7358s	um because while smaller teams like
7360s	boundary experts are obviously purpose
7362s	built for you know this tournament
7364s	they're getting their best guys they're
7365s	getting you know they're reaching out to
7366s	other groups finding whoever they can
7367s	group's the size of frat you would think
7370s	just by law of numbers have to have
7373s	enough competent Pilots so they can
7375s	field a decent team so while in this
7377s	case I still think I'm taking boundary
7380s	experts I would not be surprised I mean
7382s	you know mystical might he's been he's
7384s	been stepping for fret this entire week
7386s	so uh I think maybe smart money uh is on
7389s	Boundary experts here I don't know Brad
7392s	could be the sleeper pick in this one
7394s	and what do you feel in moderator
7397s	uh it's gonna be hard to call it seems
7399s	like a lot of the frat team has changed
7401s	over the last couple years boundary
7403s	experts notably last year did get top 16
7405s	so they do have some quality and
7407s	pedigree on their roster I think it can
7409s	be a very competitive match and I'm
7411s	eager to see what both teams bring to
7412s	the field
7414s	that is a very very neutral way of
7418s	saying absolutely nothing so fantastic
7420s	job there
7422s	um you if you don't actually commit to
7424s	something you can't lose but you also
7426s	can't win and uh the teams are landing
7428s	here real quickly um just gotta wait
7430s	till they stop Flying or stop moving a
7432s	little bit before we can officially
7433s	switch so it is a little bit interesting
7435s	to talk about pedigree uh just because
7438s	just because the team did really well
7440s	last year if they don't have the same
7441s	Pilots they might not do as good this
7443s	year
7444s	um all that being said both teams are
7446s	here on grid they are flying uh quite
7448s	differently which is super exciting and
7451s	I think we're just gonna head straight
7452s	to the arena right here um it looks like
7454s	it is about time so we're going to hand
7456s	this off to our fantastic commentary
7458s	pair
7465s	hello everyone
7467s	they're exciting match we have
7469s	quite the match up here a another Max
7473s	threat projection comp run here by
7476s	fraternity except this time the
7478s	modification of a road Diva the first
7480s	time we've seen that here
7481s	what do we have on the other side I'm
7484s	still calling it pseudo dad uh on the
7486s	converse side it's HML and rlml shield
7489s	kite
7490s	from boundary experts uh Claymore double
7493s	Cyclone Fleet issue all three of those
7495s	ships with hmls double or thrifts I did
7497s	check they do have rapid lights on those
7499s	an osprey Navy issue I believe also has
7502s	rapid lights and not hmls let me see
7505s	uh still looking at the hit points yeah
7509s	these are our lmls so
7513s	yeah those are all MLS so this is really
7516s	interesting to see because when you have
7517s	triple rml Plus or quad rmo our llml and
7521s	you have the caracal and two jackdaws
7523s	doing light missile launchers on their
7525s	team that's typically a way to kill low
7528s	end but as you see and the jackdaw
7530s	immediately gets taken down holy crap uh
7533s	this side this come from fraternity
7535s	doesn't actually have a lot a whole lot
7537s	about low end really only it carries uh
7539s	that these rapid lights will be able to
7541s	uh dig into yeah and it's far from an
7544s	essential piece of that comp
7545s	unfortunately for boundary experts
7547s	they're running a lot of Shield ships
7548s	against laser damage and a lot of kite
7550s	ships against damage projection
7553s	fraternity having no problem reaching
7555s	out and touching them about to claim
7556s	another orthos here they will trade it
7558s	for their Oracle but that is overall a
7560s	pretty good trade for frat as they're
7562s	continuing to lay down the damage taking
7563s	out the second weather shortly
7565s	absolutely demolishing them and this is
7568s	the thing right these pseudod comps
7570s	they're just so so so
7573s	potent and when you're up against Shield
7575s	kite comps every single one of these
7577s	Shield trips except for the Claymore is
7579s	weak to em damage and now they're on the
7581s	Osprey as well he gets absolutely
7583s	deleted and this match is already
7584s	snowballed right in the way of
7587s	fraternity dot they're going to lose
7588s	their exact Navy of Emily Arata but they
7592s	are still going to take down this
7593s	jackdaw the cycle and Fleet issue there
7595s	just is not a whole lot of damage left
7597s	in the tank uh for the side of uh
7601s	boundary experts although they still
7602s	have all three of their HML ships up and
7604s	running it's not going to be for long
7605s	Xander Adelis and the Cyclone Fleet
7608s	issue about to dip into armor himself
7611s	and they've pivoted to now primary the
7613s	radiva they realize they're having
7614s	trouble struggling breaking any kind of
7617s	tank with their fewer remaining damage
7619s	ships so they're going after the
7621s	logistics of fraternity but it's going
7622s	to be a tall order the radiva is very
7624s	tanky and they're about to lose another
7626s	jacked off followed shortly by the
7628s	Cyclone Fleet issue of Xander Adelis as
7631s	the DPS from the fraternity team is
7633s	steady and inescapable they are able to
7636s	project just as far as these missiles
7638s	are able to fly but the damage is
7641s	hitting harder
7642s	yeah just two rapid light chips
7644s	remaining to deal with this carries who
7646s	has been able to damp help both those
7647s	rapid light ships in the Navy Osprey and
7649s	the caracal so he's able to stay alive
7651s	for the time being they actually stopped
7652s	shooting the Cyclone flea issue has had
7654s	gotten to armor and they're swapping
7656s	back around to the Salisbury Navy issue
7657s	they want to try to make sure their
7658s	Curry stays alive and at the moment uh
7661s	with the radiva just being able to rep
7662s	back up all on his own with his local
7664s	rep it looks like fraternity have this
7666s	match pretty much in the bag
7669s	yeah there's a big cloud of drones
7671s	following that Osprey Navy around he is
7673s	getting absolutely brutalized finally
7675s	goes down the Cyclone Fleet looks like
7677s	it pulled range pretty close to the
7679s	boundary ironically but uh expertly
7681s	avoided crossing the line into the edge
7683s	of glory and is now coming back to
7685s	re-engage the fight with a little bit of
7687s	shields left from some natural regen
7689s	unfortunately his partner the other
7692s	Cyclone Fleet is about to drop very
7695s	quickly he is not so well positioned and
7698s	his arm is getting absolutely chunked
7699s	right now as his ASB struggles to keep
7702s	up he's about to go down and this really
7705s	does seal the deal here for Fraternity
7707s	they're very much in the driver's seat
7709s	there were Divas sitting comfortably at
7711s	Mid armor and they haven't even
7713s	continued to shoot it they're now trying
7714s	to Pivot to kill the carries but it's
7716s	going to be a dicey proposition and as
7718s	we said at the start of this fight even
7719s	if it goes down does not present a
7722s	serious threat to fraternity who can now
7724s	comfortably tank the damage even without
7726s	the dams
7727s	yeah and it's also worth noting right
7730s	last year we actually saw a lot of HML
7732s	kite setups but those HTML kite shutups
7734s	were Shield chips fit with damps in
7737s	their mids and then armor tanked uh this
7740s	year since you can't actually fit damps
7742s	on the ships that aren't bonus to it HML
7744s	kite I think just lost a lot of its
7746s	viability because you can't armor tank
7748s	the chips and you can't fit damps on
7749s	them so now we see uh in this kind of
7752s	like well pseudo dad armor uh battle
7756s	cruiser Cruiser setup versus you know
7758s	more traditional HML and rml shield kite
7761s	it just doesn't work uh because just the
7764s	damage isn't there and you're being shot
7767s	at right in uh your holes with lasers
7771s	and then obviously you're still getting
7773s	quite a bit of thermal damage out of uh
7775s	blasters and or I should say railguns as
7777s	well uh there was a boundary though uh
7780s	Casimir exercise
7782s	boundaried his uh I believe yeah British
7786s	Navy issue so uh not as clean from
7789s	fraternity as they would have liked they
7790s	still lose uh three ships when it's all
7793s	said and done but still very well played
7795s	for them and kind of showing how The
7799s	Meta has changed between last year
7801s	Alexander is going for it he's going for
7804s	a micro jump play straight up he's got
7806s	momentum let's see how far he goes
7809s	ah not scrammed we'll see let's go nope
7814s	got deleted before he could jump out
7816s	that's unfortunate
7818s	oh he that that wreck is outside the
7820s	arena you made it 176 you're right
7822s	you're right you're right I'm bad
7824s	absolutely excellent match
7826s	we're gonna send this back to the desk
7828s	to break that down and bring us on our
7829s	next one
7830s	we'll see you right after this
7833s	guys stop being casual they're really
7836s	bad we should not lose anybody to this
7838s	warp off warp off take the fleet warp
7840s	everybody warp off this is a really
7842s	really bad execution I'm very
7843s	disappointed
7847s	another great hall back from Amar damn
7851s	I'm thirsty
7853s	[Music]
7856s	that hits the spot
7858s	[Music]
7860s	[Applause]
7861s	[Music]
7869s	Yeah we actually lost a bet as CCP
7872s	collectively so that's why that Alliance
7874s	logo is in the game of course you could
7877s	change your alliance by leaving but that
7878s	would be kind of a jerk move oh you know
7881s	leggings Lego sucks I'm gonna go join
7885s	foreign
7901s	the medium gun dominance continues with
7904s	fraternity just absolutely shellacking
7906s	boundary experts there uh
7909s	yeah oh thank you I stole it from CCP
7911s	overload yeah like trying to emulate him
7914s	a little bit right uh so very very very
7916s	powerful
7918s	um moderator like that was brutal they
7920s	got they got wrecked like tell us about
7922s	it
7925s	oh no uh he did it to himself well he
7930s	knew there was going to be you know at
7932s	some point in the year where I would
7934s	forget to unmute they do call me
7935s	muterator for a reason I'm glad it was
7938s	now rather than you know not later
7940s	however uh to Bart's Point uh the reason
7944s	that we saw this happen is that in Prior
7947s	years what you would do is you would
7949s	take these Jack Daws you would take um a
7952s	lot of your Shield chips and you would
7953s	fit tracking disruption right so you
7956s	would say hey we might not do as much
7958s	damage as these gun setups but what we
7961s	can do is we can fit some disruption it
7963s	might not be bonus but it will really
7965s	mitigate the ability for you to hit us
7967s	while we kite
7968s	that's not
7970s	in this year's tournament rule set so
7973s	it might be early to say this but it
7975s	feels like very much though the HTML
7978s	kite setup just really is not viable in
7981s	Alliance tournament 19.
7983s	given the rule changes I mean that
7985s	happens every you know Season rules
7987s	change comps come in and out of favor
7989s	depending on what CCP sides is going to
7992s	be you know pointed in what the ship
7996s	fitting restrictions are and I don't
7997s	know if this is a viable setup anymore
8001s	huh that's fair um I've been sort of
8003s	thinking the same thing but not 100 sure
8005s	on that yet because it is the feeders
8006s	and crazy things happen uh real quick
8009s	though I would actually like to bring up
8011s	something else here so the HTML kite
8013s	setup a lot of it is based around these
8015s	very tidy Fashions not getting hit and
8017s	something that we've been seeing quite a
8019s	lot of is these like medium guns being
8022s	backed up by Target painters so Mark
8025s	let's kind of talk about that because
8026s	Target painters are one of those things
8027s	that you maybe see a little bit of on TQ
8030s	but not quite as
8033s	important as it is in the at so Target
8036s	yeah yeah well listen Bart here's here's
8039s	here's the here's the God's honest truth
8041s	sometimes in in life in Nat sometimes
8045s	you have small ship and your guns are
8048s	only good against big ship right so what
8051s	you do is it's very important listen to
8053s	this so what you do is you use a little
8055s	laser and you
8057s	okay and you you fire the laser at the
8060s	other ship now this laser doesn't do any
8061s	damage part important to know like it
8063s	does not do any damage but what it does
8065s	is it takes the small ship and makes it
8068s	seem as if it's a big ship now for the
8071s	weapons the weapon application much
8074s	better against the big ship right so
8075s	especially in the at where you have a
8077s	lot of small ship you have you know you
8079s	have frigate you have uh uh you have
8082s	carries you have uh you know Deacon and
8086s	Thalia you have these little ships okay
8088s	and then you have oh I'm a market so I
8090s	have rapid heavy missile launcher right
8092s	well the rapid Heavies aren't going to
8094s	apply to any of this stuff okay unless
8097s	unless you have one of these ships that
8099s	have a Target painter better if it's
8100s	bonus better if it's bonus that apply to
8103s	the use their laser they go right and
8106s	the ship all of a sudden seems huge
8108s	right now you can apply fully you can
8111s	put more damage on uh and you know this
8113s	is this lots of applications if you're
8115s	not using these on TQ I don't know what
8117s	to tell you you're doing it wrong this
8118s	is that's just that's just that's just
8120s	not good right I I myself personally uh
8123s	have I I will not undock with that at
8126s	least six Target painters just because I
8127s	want to make sure that everything that I
8129s	shoot big or small look I am an equal
8132s	opportunity missile application enjoyer
8135s	that's all it is I you know and I want
8137s	my stuff to apply evenly so that's why
8139s	that's why the target painter is so good
8141s	and I'm sure it'll play in that last
8143s	match too so I would just I would just
8145s	cooking up that explanation for like the
8146s	last 20 minutes so go ahead I was you
8149s	know what we couldn't couldn't have said
8150s	that better ourselves appreciate it
8152s	thank you yeah some somebody did ask in
8154s	the twitch chat what's more effective a
8156s	Target painter or a web both or yeah
8158s	effective but obviously as per the
8161s	tracking graph it does depend the webs
8163s	are helpful for some stuff but the
8164s	target painters are helpful all the time
8167s	yeah you do want both yeah for sure uh
8170s	something else we've been seeing a ton
8172s	and we saw it there is this executor
8174s	Navy ship and it used to not really be
8176s	used that much but that's kind of
8178s	changed recently and we do have a
8180s	fantastic little graphic about it that
8182s	uh moderator once you take a look at
8184s	this graphic you will notice that it's
8188s	something's changed about it it's being
8190s	used a little bit more
8191s	oh oh yeah so uh Once Upon a Time the
8194s	executive Navy issue uh used to be
8197s	pretty god-awful
8199s	um and then CCP decided to change its
8201s	stats gave it a little bit more
8202s	projection gave it a little bit more
8204s	fitting as well in tank and all of a
8206s	sudden oh oh you know it's like
8208s	really good and then we get into a
8210s	Glenda tournament which means it cost
8212s	one less points and it's like oh wow now
8215s	it's like really really good we should
8216s	bring it we should bring not just one of
8218s	them we should bring like two of them
8221s	so that's Alliance tournament 18 kind of
8223s	the year when it got buffed from
8227s	um you know I believe 1816 I don't even
8229s	know if it even got used in 17. so there
8232s	you go that's how good it is now it's
8234s	even gooder because like my colleague
8237s	said
8238s	it you know it gets the paints on it and
8240s	those medium guns do the tracky tracking
8243s	and then blah blappy so that's why
8245s	people bring it absolutely absolutely
8248s	well spoken mod thank you yeah and we do
8251s	we do see the uh like the the ship
8253s	balance changes I mean look at that so
8255s	not not use not use not used gets
8258s	changed by a little bit and suddenly it
8259s	becomes one of the most used ships in
8262s	the game and we've been seeing it a ton
8263s	here too I think it's actually been
8264s	being banned quite a bit too uh very
8266s	very high damage
8268s	um like several hundred up you know 600
8270s	to 900 DPS with railguns which is crazy
8273s	usually you see that out of a neutral uh
8276s	Neutron blasters and things like that so
8279s	pretty exciting uh very very good ship
8281s	we've seen it uh twice in a row now
8283s	actually these medium guns teams still
8286s	dominant like completely so um Mark
8288s	medium guns is this the way is this the
8290s	meta like mod seems to think it might be
8292s	you know as as a co-host of the meta
8296s	show I one might say that I'm qualified
8298s	to talk about what is and is not meta
8301s	however in this case uh I don't know if
8303s	it's necessarily the case I I think just
8306s	medium guns like medium guns strike a
8309s	happy balance right between things that
8311s	are small right and things that are big
8314s	and especially with some of these laser
8316s	comps you know these laser comps uh if
8318s	teams aren't patching it properly
8319s	they're shooting into an em hole in a
8321s	lot of these cases
8323s	um you know you would hope God you know
8325s	teams would patch that but it is the
8326s	feeders uh but you you know combined
8329s	with the tracking of medium lasers
8331s	compared to large lasers it's just it's
8333s	it's a heavy balance and in the feeders
8335s	I think you can get by with just a heavy
8336s	balance now are we going to see that
8338s	same kind of thing in the actual
8340s	tournament hard to say because teams in
8341s	the actual tournament uh you know
8343s	they're they're taking because there's
8345s	more on the line right they're gonna
8346s	they're gonna take it more seriously
8347s	they're going to put more thought into
8348s	it so uh I like medium guns uh you know
8352s	as a cop a lot of these four battle
8353s	cruiser setups are so cool
8356s	um you know you you might not have seen
8357s	these in years past but uh I I don't
8359s	know if they were gonna see this carried
8360s	on into the main tournament I kind of
8362s	hope we do because I love these these
8364s	setups but we'll see no they are they
8366s	are quite good um the damage
8368s	application's been crazy we've been
8369s	seeing teams get you know lose a ship in
8371s	the first five seconds which you don't
8373s	want to start off your match like that
8374s	uh but you know all that being said uh
8377s	we had another match coming up we
8380s	actually have four more matches coming
8381s	up which is super duper exciting uh we
8384s	have laser Hawks which I believe they're
8386s	wormholers I think that they've been
8387s	wormholes for a very long time a long
8390s	time and we have
8392s	I could do better uh mod do you know who
8395s	I could do better is
8396s	I have honest to God no idea who they
8399s	are
8400s	well I do like that they are managing
8402s	their own expectations uh laser Hawks
8404s	had a single tournament where they
8406s	actually did quite good
8408s	um I believe that they got fourth or
8411s	third place in it though uh a certain
8414s	analyst has for years and years and
8416s	years said that it's because they got
8417s	lucky it's me I was the one who said
8420s	that
8421s	um just putting that out there uh
8423s	obviously that was years ago and
8425s	tournament pedigree is a thing but also
8427s	sometimes it's not a thing
8428s	um it has been
8430s	gosh almost eight years nine years now
8432s	for uh some of these teams
8434s	long time uh but you probably know
8436s	something about laser Hawks right Mark
8437s	you're supposed to be the Wormhole
8438s	expert and I believe they are wormholers
8440s	I do know Hawks I'll tell you this is
8442s	actually a tough match for me because
8443s	both these teams are actually uh
8445s	wormholers uh I could do better is
8447s	actually the alliance name of a
8450s	corporation called uh hole punchers
8452s	they've got a great logo it's a wormhole
8454s	with a fist coming out of it pretty
8456s	great
8457s	um
8458s	and they uh you know that team is uh you
8462s	know I haven't seen a lot of them I
8463s	honestly haven't seen a lot of hawks
8464s	either I don't really watch too many
8465s	scrims uh I try and do normal human
8467s	things in my day to day and then Retreat
8469s	into my Eve Persona at night so I don't
8472s	see a lot of the you know the the daily
8474s	scrim stuff
8475s	um but yeah I mean both these teams I'm
8477s	expecting you know again it's the
8479s	feeders who knows how this is gonna play
8480s	out uh Hawk certainly has
8483s	um you know a wealth of Pilots who've
8485s	been playing the game for a long time
8487s	um you know they I I I I I maybe can't
8489s	say tournament pedigree BART to your
8491s	point but uh you know they I I don't
8494s	know listen that's what makes the uh the
8496s	feeder so exciting right is that you
8497s	could anything can happen you know you
8500s	could have any of these teams come in
8501s	here Rock up hell just to uh frap rocked
8505s	up and and uh you know did their dirty
8507s	business and everyone was like oh so
8508s	impressive
8509s	Channel fantastic yeah you know
8512s	tournament pedigree too like to a degree
8514s	even if you haven't done super fantastic
8516s	just playing in a tournament gives you
8518s	an advantage over other people so yeah
8521s	uh but we do actually have the bands so
8522s	we can maybe use that to predict what
8524s	we're going to see here and what we have
8526s	is laser Hawks Banning the Blackbird and
8529s	the executive issue so there's another
8532s	Blackberry band and I could do better is
8535s	Banning executive uh is Banning the
8537s	bargist and the Sleep near so mod
8541s	anything really stand out to you here
8544s	yeah so laser Hawks is saying I really
8546s	really hate eccm uh or you see I'm
8549s	rather Blackbird is probably one of the
8550s	more Point effective ECM ships Banning
8553s	out the exact Navy because I mean we
8555s	were just talking about how good of a
8556s	ship it is for the point value
8558s	I could do better deciding they really
8560s	don't want to deal with that kind of
8561s	Shield kite uh Bargas and the slap meter
8565s	kind of hits that both um kind of uh
8567s	long range Shield kite Subs but it also
8570s	hits that you know a shield Rush setup
8572s	it can be used in place of you know the
8574s	Nighthawk in those setups as well so
8576s	kind of covering a little bit of both
8578s	bases there
8580s	absolutely and we all start seeing that
8582s	a fantastic Alliance logo from uh I
8584s	could do better there I'm actually glad
8586s	that that popped out and we got to see
8588s	it
8589s	um yeah sleptner's very very good ships
8591s	we have been seeing people do a lot of
8592s	this Shield Nighthawk uh kite Shield
8596s	Nighthawk uh rush but personally I like
8598s	seffner's more I just understand that
8600s	it's a little bit more difficult of a
8601s	ship to fly because tracking is in fact
8604s	a thing
8605s	um all that being said these teams will
8606s	be entering the arena in the next minute
8608s	or so so let's get a quick prediction
8611s	here a moderator who are you feeling
8613s	between these two teams
8615s	uh based on the bands we see I think I'm
8617s	gonna go with laser Hawks
8619s	nice simple short succinct uh Mark
8622s	resurrectus what about you you know in
8626s	many ways the wormholer people are my
8628s	children and I can never pick a favorite
8629s	of my children but in this case I am
8633s	going to pick laser Hawks
8635s	gotcha you can never pick a favorite but
8637s	it was very easy for you to pick a
8639s	favorite place
8641s	yeah I'm kind of feeling laser hooks too
8643s	they've been around a while they have a
8645s	lot of uh people that have at least
8646s	gotten a couple rounds of the tournament
8648s	and maybe this is their year they can
8650s	make the uh the repeat come back in and
8653s	smash out that uh third place again or
8655s	something but first they have to get
8656s	through the feeders and to get through
8657s	the feeders they have to beat hole
8659s	punchers also known as I could do better
8661s	and we're gonna actually send it off to
8663s	our wonderful commentary pair because
8665s	both teams have entered the arena
8669s	thank you
8673s	g'day mates welcome to the arena I feel
8675s	like we've entered the wrong year
8676s	because we're seeing a comp from eight
8679s	from the most previous 80 we're seeing
8680s	an old Nighthawk Rush coming back
8682s	warping in at zero even so this is the
8684s	full old-school Nighthawk Rush what are
8686s	you thinking about this one Jin yeah
8687s	those are definitely eight missiles on
8689s	those Nighthawks so they are definitely
8690s	ham equipped this is going to be a lot
8693s	of control going in uh but they are
8695s	going to be facing an absolute wall of
8696s	control in return here from the hole
8699s	punches team uh who have brought uh two
8702s	different uh new bonus chips without
8704s	Armageddon Navy in that battle gun
8705s	they're going to need to put those in
8707s	front of everything and try and use them
8709s	to turn off the Rush from their
8712s	opponents but they're not gonna be able
8713s	to turn off the guns this is the good
8714s	thing about the hand rush if you get
8716s	what's up or something it's gonna die
8718s	exactly that all these ships that can
8720s	just keep firing even while being neuted
8721s	as well the only real weak spot is that
8723s	these lokies are basically the tackle
8724s	their webs are helping and helping these
8726s	hams apply so if they get neuted out
8729s	they could maybe get some of the ships
8730s	away but of course there are three very
8732s	slow battleships at the front of this as
8733s	The Rush begins and here they go already
8736s	yeah this is one of those matches where
8738s	you really wish you could look at all
8739s	these fits because whether or not those
8741s	lookies have a cat booster is going to
8742s	determine so much about how the late
8744s	game of this match plays out the cycling
8746s	issue something we saw quite a lot in
8748s	the last tournament because it was
8749s	points discounted taking some DPS there
8751s	but it's surprisingly slow actually
8754s	getting maybe first call honestly I'd
8756s	probably agree with that it's probably
8757s	the most most damage of the least tank
8758s	in comparison to the other ships so kill
8760s	that off and maybe remove a lot of DPS
8762s	as their side Fleet is being pounded
8764s	they've only got a burst and a scaffold
8765s	for tank but all they're gonna do is
8767s	outlast just kill as much as you can
8769s	before you die that side Fleet is going
8770s	into Army he's gonna die real quick oh
8773s	my Lord look at the attack bars on both
8774s	teams just going nuts down there both
8777s	teams are putting out thousands and
8778s	thousands of DPS here it's just gonna be
8780s	a pure race we can see the Nighthawk is
8782s	now the primary uh from the whole
8783s	punches team that's good they're trying
8785s	to take off one of those 1 300 DPS
8787s	Battleship uh battle cruises but they're
8789s	gonna be losing their main DPS in that
8791s	Armageddon Navy issue as compensation
8794s	yeah they've got so much control that's
8795s	coming with the barrel going and also a
8797s	lot of tank in the abandoned but the
8798s	getting Navy's kind of like the real
8799s	core of DPS they've also got Vex and
8801s	navy as well which is also pretty nice
8802s	DPS they're killing a stab of Fleet
8804s	which honestly the weakest ship there
8805s	best DPS good tug kill but there goes to
8808s	get in the Navy and already that's going
8809s	to start hurting real bad
8812s	I'm not 100 sure what's going on from
8814s	the whole purchase team because they're
8815s	splitting their DPS across all three of
8817s	the main DPS threats here from laser
8819s	Hawks you've got about a third of the
8820s	shield DPS yeah third Shield takes three
8823s	damage on all three of those ships if
8825s	they have focused on one of them one of
8827s	them would be dead maybe taking a lot
8829s	less damage right now
8830s	exactly I also saw a bunch of uh ECM
8833s	drones being put onto the burst of all
8835s	things not exactly what I was expecting
8837s	to see there and there's also some
8839s	interesting stuff going around the back
8840s	line as well we got a Nighthawk being
8842s	held down actually by a stripper I think
8843s	it's Superman might have got him
8844s	actually out of range yeah he's going to
8847s	be able to clear his own tackle
8848s	potentially here though
8850s	yeah that's what Paul is doing his
8851s	absolute best the long honestly the
8853s	longer he holds that no hook no hook
8855s	away from the actual main fire that
8856s	could potentially flip things over as
8858s	one of the nighhawks actually is going
8859s	into about 30 Shield so this is this is
8862s	just chaos I'm loving this this is
8863s	beautiful I actually want to give a
8865s	clever shout out to the hole punches
8867s	crew here their tackle is doing really
8868s	really well and just spreading out this
8870s	rationale from laser Hawks you can see
8872s	that the damage is almost stopped on
8874s	that battle gun because nothing is near
8876s	it
8877s	and because of that they're gonna have
8878s	to choose something else to go on to
8880s	here probably laser Hawks because they
8881s	can't concentrate their DPS down onto a
8883s	Target
8884s	an interesting thing as well they do
8885s	have the two Loki's which are basically
8886s	their control that Loki's decided they
8888s	could come back and just pretty much web
8890s	the living hella at the Circle and kill
8891s	it in seconds but like no no we're going
8893s	to keep on the barrel gone which I mean
8895s	could be seen as good idea it could be
8897s	seen as a bad idea I'm not in their
8898s	shoes I can't exactly tell
8900s	but it's it's really hard to make that
8901s	call but it's in Nighthawk now now going
8903s	back to go into armor that is not good
8905s	that's a lot of DPS removed
8909s	foreign
8924s	as well that might have just been too
8927s	late they've gotten rid of the one of
8929s	the nine hooks as that I don't know how
8930s	it gets free which pretty much puts in
8931s	the exact same position they were a
8933s	moment ago this is that this is going to
8936s	go very well towards um hole punches
8939s	away I think at this point unless that
8941s	bug one suddenly pops which is possible
8943s	it is totally possible it is sitting
8945s	there very very low just only a 10 armor
8947s	there once it gets into those whole
8948s	points they will evaporate but like I
8950s	said he's just so far away those
8952s	missiles must just barely be hitting you
8954s	almost wish one of his teammates could
8956s	just bump him further away yep well the
8958s	Knight Hook is now with well within
8960s	range now so that balcon is going to die
8962s	and what ship they're going for next
8964s	looks like they're going for a Loki no
8966s	that's fair enough I can go see for that
8967s	as well also quick note as well is that
8969s	one of the hole punchers lodgies I
8971s	believe double check yeah one of the
8972s	deacons did go down which is only a
8974s	single Deacon which is now being shot by
8976s	the Jack door when Supple I believe so
8978s	that's gonna be the last bit of Lodge he
8980s	left but then you've got some pretty
8981s	tanky ships Left Behind Vex and navy
8982s	self-rep is amazing avadon is just a big
8985s	old ball of exp but it's honestly I'm
8988s	starting to wonder which way is going to
8990s	go now yeah it does feel like laser
8991s	Hawks is clawing their way back into
8994s	this now with the uh with the bow going
8995s	down they're taking off those Logistics
8998s	frigates and it just doesn't seem like
8999s	those newts have really been able to do
9001s	anything to blunt this laser Hawks
9003s	advance
9003s	uh they've finally picked off all these
9005s	frigates and they're going to start
9006s	coalescing now into this backlight and
9009s	the key as well is also that their logic
9011s	frigs are still alive which means the
9012s	longer this is going the better it is
9014s	for them because they're killing off DPS
9015s	and their logic freaks are starting to
9016s	keep their ships alive you see that low
9017s	heat over infinity he's just been
9020s	chilling 56 Shields meanwhile the soup
9022s	was now being shot I bet you he'll come
9023s	up to full as well this is these logic
9026s	freaks coming in where it matters the
9027s	most and just keeping this team alive
9028s	and they've just for the most
9030s	surprisingly enough blunt the opposing
9033s	team in a rush comp
9035s	and we see the vni going down there and
9037s	that's so so crucial that uh that vni
9040s	was for new fit so it would have been
9042s	able to sit on top of that scalp with it
9044s	had gotten free and just turn off the
9046s	final remaining bits of Reps for this
9047s	laser Hawks team without with that doubt
9050s	and there's a Badness sitting in about
9051s	half armor
9052s	It's Gonna Take a Miracle now for whole
9054s	punch just to come back into this it
9055s	seemed like they were in a dominant
9057s	position earlier in the match and they
9058s	just weren't able to capitalize on it I
9061s	don't think there's a miracle on the
9062s	planet that can really get this back
9063s	unfortunately even like you can even
9065s	consider the reactive of the Abaddon
9066s	maybe doing well against the Nighthawk
9068s	problem is there's two lokies it can
9069s	shoot the rainbow at you which you
9070s	actually by the beautiful new explosions
9072s	they are doing exactly that I think I'm
9074s	seeing some em explosions I see some
9075s	kinetic I see some I think that's
9077s	thermal as well so this is reactive even
9079s	if you try to play off of that off your
9081s	ship is not enough and yeah I think it's
9083s	already over there's nothing they can do
9085s	unfortunately but they did play it
9086s	rather well they managed to screen load
9088s	of ships off at the right times just
9090s	wasn't quite enough yeah it was a nice
9092s	little back and forth I think the hole
9093s	puncher is going to have at least a good
9095s	shot in the lower bracket here this
9097s	setup did you know it seems relatively
9099s	well crafted and they executed really
9101s	well on the tackle side I think they
9102s	just needed to kind of get to get things
9105s	together on the target cooling if they'd
9106s	have focused down those uh Loki's or
9108s	Nighthawks just slap them out uh earlier
9111s	on in the match rather than splitting
9112s	between all three of them but it could
9115s	have been a great late game for them
9116s	especially with that vni potentially
9118s	being able to run free
9119s	I think it's one of the key mistakes
9120s	throughout the match about the looks of
9122s	it you saw a few times that damage was
9123s	being spread against across three or
9124s	four different of the uh ships of the
9126s	opposing team and if they maybe Focus
9128s	that little extra bit of DPS they could
9130s	have busted through a ship a lot earlier
9131s	potentially uh swung the DPS race on
9134s	their side but the good fights and
9135s	locals it was a very well flown match on
9137s	both teams and uh yeah I mean what else
9139s	is there to say Well done yeah a bit of
9142s	a Redemption here for laser Hawks um you
9144s	know they haven't done particularly well
9145s	the last couple of tournaments in fact
9147s	they got knocked out by Odin's call in
9149s	uh 8018 so I'll be lovely to see them in
9152s	the main tournament this year hopefully
9153s	they can reclaim some of their former
9155s	glory of their fourth place run anyway
9157s	with that let's hand it back to the
9158s	studio and find out about the matches to
9160s	come
9164s	[Music]
9171s	thank you
9180s	[Applause]
9184s	[Music]
9188s	[Applause]
9193s	thank you
9195s	connected Channel switched well it would
9198s	have been a easy fight right but guess
9200s	what dude I'm not seeing it people can't
9202s	get they're fit together
9208s	crash our enemies your temps are
9210s	completely damned out Crush I'm downtown
9212s	I'm downtown you don't like Champions
9214s	boys
9222s	I'm jammed
9225s	laserhawk successfully Shield rushes I
9228s	could do better showing that I could do
9230s	better his name perhaps is accurate all
9232s	that being said they actually flew
9234s	really really well uh we saw some pretty
9235s	awesome screening and other things there
9238s	uh mod was this maybe did they get out
9240s	comped or was there maybe something they
9242s	could have done better
9243s	yeah so I'm a little bit conflicted so
9247s	on one hand disciple did an excellent
9249s	job of pinning down that one laser Hawks
9251s	Nighthawk in the back line that's well
9253s	over a thousand uh damage that that you
9256s	know stifle just completely neutralized
9258s	and is basically hey you're gonna bring
9260s	a you know a command ship that's nearly
9262s	20 points well my little Destroyer is
9264s	going to get in the back line and
9265s	basically ruin your entire day
9268s	that said
9269s	um you also want to if your laser Hawks
9273s	um use your cycle and your jackdaw a
9276s	little bit earlier they did still win
9279s	but one thing that is kind of integral
9281s	to these Shield rushes is you use your
9284s	small ships you go and you kill the frig
9287s	lodgy and then you help kill you know
9290s	the battleships the battle Cruisers so
9293s	that's
9294s	one of the things that a lot of these
9296s	teams in the feeders are working through
9298s	trying to improve and get better at and
9301s	develop their skills as they you know
9303s	get more experience
9307s	absolutely
9308s	um and you know something to say to you
9310s	is that these uh we don't really see
9312s	them as much anymore um I think people
9313s	that were playing in 2013 probably
9315s	remember the uh the month of the spiffle
9317s	when it was the best ship in the entire
9318s	game period and uh that was fun but it
9322s	is not quite like that but in the
9323s	tournament uh a rocket jackdaw which
9326s	again you don't see too much in TQ and
9328s	an auto Cannon's football they do about
9330s	500 DPS a piece so you know what mod
9333s	said is they could have run in and
9334s	basically cleared the back line a little
9336s	earlier obviously they did end up doing
9337s	that uh we saw both of those deacons Get
9339s	Wrecked
9340s	um something else we saw though it's
9343s	kind of interesting uh Mark taking
9345s	multiple ships of the same type makes
9347s	their points go up
9349s	I could do better took two deacons was
9350s	that the correct Choice it is not the
9353s	correct Choice uh unfortunately
9354s	especially on on you know not that I can
9358s	say this is a good reason but on like
9361s	Tranquility you might not have two
9362s	players that have a mar forget five uh
9365s	but this is Thunderdome and on
9367s	Thunderdome you have all the skills so
9370s	Deacon Thalia is usually the play here
9373s	uh they are comparable Logistics
9375s	frigates and you get more points out of
9377s	it when you do that because your second
9379s	Beacon is not worth
9381s	um you know worth more so the reason
9383s	they they have it like that is so that
9384s	you can't just aimlessly spam the best
9387s	ships at a discounted price effectively
9390s	uh so you know variety is good that's
9394s	why when you see like the four battle
9396s	cruiser comps we were talking about
9397s	earlier you're not seeing you know four
9399s	absolutions right you're seeing a mix of
9402s	things in there
9403s	um and yeah I maybe maybe a bit of a
9406s	misstep I mean they played well
9407s	otherwise so I don't think it was you
9409s	know horrible but is what it is
9412s	yeah no they definitely played really
9413s	well um something to note is that uh
9416s	ever since the surgical strike changes
9418s	which was several years ago
9420s	um these Shield rushes have just done
9422s	absolutely massive damage and uh
9425s	fortunately I don't have a super
9426s	fantastic graphic for it maybe we will
9428s	create something 3D rendered in
9430s	beautiful one day
9431s	um but the if you noticed when those
9432s	teams came in the uh there's the defense
9435s	the attack and control bar and the
9436s	attack bar of laser Hawks was almost off
9438s	the charts in the I believe it's around
9441s	10K so it's like 9 or 10 000 damage is
9444s	when it like officially hits the edge
9446s	there so laser Hawks had something
9447s	insane like over eight thousand over
9450s	nine thousand haha DPS on their uh Fleet
9454s	which is why you saw them able to just
9455s	completely melt through those really
9457s	heavy armor tank battleships so yeah it
9460s	was a it was pretty awesome
9461s	um very that's probably one of the first
9463s	shield rushes we've seen that actually
9464s	like epitomized the overwhelming DPS
9467s	that a shield Rush has uh maybe redeem
9470s	the Nighthawk a little bit I don't know
9471s	and at least in my eyes what do you
9472s	think moderator
9475s	yeah it's kind of difficult to say the
9478s	the Nighthawk has been generally a ship
9480s	that we've seen for the last three or
9482s	four years like you said ever since
9484s	surgical strike
9485s	um you know more damage lower resist
9487s	means that it's always going to favor
9490s	these kind of like Rush setups that can
9492s	just break through and punch through
9494s	when they would have had more difficulty
9496s	at in Prior years but that's been kind
9499s	of the trend
9502s	absolutely
9503s	um very very high damage very good uh
9506s	Mark Nighthawks suckners which one's
9507s	your favorite
9509s	I mean man you go a lot of different
9511s	ways I think aesthetically is pretty
9513s	obvious choice is to slept near because
9515s	slippery just looks he slipping it looks
9517s	like a sword it's hard to say no to a
9519s	sword
9521s	um I mean they just have they have
9522s	different applications in Wormhole space
9524s	right now you're seeing a lot of groups
9525s	that will bring uh firewallers which are
9528s	nesters or
9530s	um you know other kinds of of high tank
9533s	battleships that have a full rack of
9535s	smart bombs to clear hams in fights I
9538s	know that happens other places in space
9540s	too but it happens a lot normal space
9542s	right now so
9544s	um you know that's just one of those
9545s	things where it's different application
9547s	for different environment right I think
9549s	the Nighthawk is probably my my most
9551s	used of the two just because it has uh
9554s	it applies more and more engagements uh
9557s	but man I do love that slip here
9560s	yeah it is a it is kind of a good point
9562s	that different different locations
9563s	different applications though we are
9565s	into the tournament you are limited to
9566s	10 ships and there's points on it so uh
9569s	sometimes you'll see people be like well
9570s	why did they bring that and it's like uh
9572s	because you can't bring you know 15
9575s	ferroxes and four baskets so yeah you
9578s	have to actually do interesting things
9579s	which is uh super fun and crazy
9583s	um all that being said that match is
9584s	over and we will be having uh only cows
9586s	versus pandemic horde uh pandemic horde
9589s	um
9590s	kind of hasn't really done particularly
9592s	well in the tournament which uh sort of
9595s	brings back what was it that you said
9596s	that some of these giant groups like
9597s	surely they'd be able to find 10 good
9599s	players yeah I mean law of averages
9602s	right
9603s	yeah but like at this point pandemic
9605s	horror is a pretty dang good alliance
9607s	like it's it's not like six years ago
9609s	where it's like oh it's the Newbie
9611s	Alliance like they're one of the
9612s	powerhouses in the game and I think that
9614s	they've actually absorbed a fair amount
9615s	of players from all over so you know
9618s	looking at that moderator is Panama
9621s	chord like do you think they're this is
9623s	their year are they going to be a great
9624s	at team
9625s	I think they're actually we're a decent
9627s	team last year and I think we've seen
9630s	good things from them I believe it
9631s	wasn't the feeders I if I recall
9633s	correctly last year
9635s	um they had the unfortunate luck of
9637s	going up against Volta in the second
9639s	round of the at and they actually got a
9641s	few Fair number of kills it wasn't like
9643s	a 100 to zero dunk they actually you
9645s	know stood their ground and uh took
9647s	blood
9648s	um then they got knocked down and played
9650s	dark side so uh they lost to like two of
9653s	the like best teams in the entire
9655s	tournament that have been good for
9657s	forever so unlucky there I think that
9659s	they're a solid roster
9661s	um and maybe deserve a little bit more
9663s	respect than people have given them
9666s	that is that is absolutely fair and that
9668s	is a good point that maybe they didn't
9669s	perform because they went up against the
9671s	second place team and the third place
9673s	team so you know that that is totally
9676s	fair you can get a little bit unlucky
9678s	every once in a while uh but it is what
9681s	it is only cows not 100 sure who they
9684s	are but they seem to have a massive
9685s	amount of twitch uh following I don't
9687s	know if people just like their name or
9689s	if they just like typing moves in twitch
9691s	chat uh somebody said that they were in
9693s	C but yeah I'm not 100 sure yeah we
9696s	could we could guess
9697s	um another alliance with a long long
9700s	history in Eve online has not done
9702s	particularly well in tournaments
9703s	recently but again pedigree is Pedigree
9705s	uh let's look at the bands real quick
9707s	and just talk about them for a second
9709s	here so only cows has banned out the
9711s	executor Navy issue and the pontifix
9714s	which is a band we haven't really seen a
9716s	huge amount of uh with pandemic horror
9718s	choosing to ban out the Le Shack and the
9720s	Armageddon Navy issue uh Mark that's
9724s	kind of a little bit a little bit
9725s	different we haven't seen these bands
9727s	interesting that little Shack ban I
9729s	don't really think I understand it
9731s	Little Shack is great uh in certain you
9733s	know we've talked about this uh we
9735s	talked about a lot last week too about
9737s	how the The Little Shack in the right
9739s	hands can be really dangerous uh because
9742s	of that spool because of of you know
9744s	just how much raw damage you can get out
9746s	of it I don't know if that's the right
9748s	choice here the Armageddon Navy is very
9750s	strong
9751s	um I just feel like there are other
9753s	better application plays out there
9755s	and that's definitely fair I'm kind of
9757s	in the same boat on that uh the geta
9760s	Navy we've been seeing it used a lot but
9761s	we've been seeing it lose a lot um yeah
9764s	moderator how are you feeling about
9765s	these
9767s	yeah so leshack I just don't feel like
9769s	it's that great of a ship this year
9771s	frankly uh get a Navy issue um it has
9774s	some viability but I don't know if it's
9776s	like a ship I want a hard band maybe
9778s	they saw something in scrims and they
9779s	hate those heavy armor and then we saw
9782s	the pontifex band which is really kind
9784s	of just a question mark for me
9786s	um there's so many ways you can bring
9788s	armor links to the grid that I just
9791s	don't think it's a valuable band there's
9792s	so many better things you can do with
9794s	that slot
9796s	yeah that is that is definitely fair
9798s	especially with this uh very battle
9800s	cruiser heavy setup that we've been
9801s	seeing used to great effect
9803s	um Banning out the pawn effects doesn't
9805s	really do as much damage as maybe it
9807s	would have done in the previous years so
9809s	uh definitely some interesting things
9810s	but hey maybe they're trying to prevent
9812s	us from being able to predict what
9813s	they're going to bring or maybe they're
9815s	trying to mess with twitch chat so
9816s	twitch chat cannot get their bets off uh
9820s	who knows um I do see that the teams are
9822s	landing here though so let's get a quick
9824s	round of predictions uh Mark pandemic
9826s	horde versus only cows who do you think
9828s	is going to win here oh man my heart
9830s	says to post this cow of horde will
9832s	throw in the towel but uh my need to be
9836s	elected next year says pandemic horde
9838s	plus I think horde I feel like horde is
9840s	pretty strong I I pick horn once once
9843s	again politics gets in the way of
9845s	sportsmanship moderator which one are
9847s	you thinking here I'm gonna go with uh
9849s	horde I'm gonna raise the horn
9852s	yeah okay I guess we got uh we got
9854s	people that are you know fans of The
9856s	Blob that's fine
9859s	um the teams are landing right here so
9861s	as they do so I'm going to be contrarian
9864s	and put my extremely low amount of
9866s	points on uh only cows and we are going
9869s	to hand it off to our wonderful
9871s	commentators to see who wins this match
9879s	welcome back to the arena my name is
9881s	fear of Honor joined by Alexa card and
9883s	on the red side we have only cows and we
9885s	see a comp that won the at last year it
9889s	is a variant of the HUD reloaded slash
9892s	truth honor light B War comp dual
9895s	Blackbird plus bar gas plus a bunch of
9897s	miscellaneous uh support low end and
9901s	e-war low end they have a sentinel
9902s	arbitrator selects this I'm excited to
9904s	see how this works because this is a
9906s	high execution comp that won the at last
9908s	year uh for Hydra reloaded meanwhile one
9911s	of the blue side and pandemic horde
9913s	brought the democrine have brought an
9916s	armor control setup with a stork
9918s	presumably for extra links because of
9921s	the pontifex band trying to get that
9922s	Blackbird and hyena to have their
9924s	maximum ECM Effectiveness uh likely the
9927s	curse as well but unfortunately there's
9929s	no beef in that uh excuse me there's no
9931s	bull in that only counts setup they're
9933s	bringing the beef and we're about to
9935s	kick it off right now
9937s	yeah attack bar is relatively similar
9939s	defense bars you see quite a bit more
9941s	active repping power on the uh blue side
9944s	of this for pandemic horde as uh this is
9948s	a guardian versus an oniros uh but
9952s	mutantly that just means that they're
9953s	more active repping modules uh on the
9956s	side of pandemic Ward damage going
9958s	towards the low end of both of these
9960s	teams as this is really kind of the
9961s	linchpin for both comps there's a lot of
9963s	e-war uh dindel in the hyena being taken
9966s	down right now a little bit I want to
9969s	take a look at Elektra shock in the
9971s	Stroger he's going to be the or he or
9973s	she or they is going to be the kind of
9976s	most important member of as the
9979s	Confessor absolutely gets deleted of
9981s	this only cows team for disabling the
9984s	low end of pandemic Ward it looks like
9987s	the only cow's EOS has offered him up as
9989s	offered himself up as a sacrifice for
9991s	The Vindicator everyone else trying to
9993s	steer clear of the vindicator's 90 webs
9996s	as the only cow's dragger has failed to
9999s	do so and is dropping rather quickly
10004s	yeah this is really important for them
10006s	if they lose the stronger they'll lose
10008s	their ability to kill the low end as
10009s	they really only have high end damage in
10011s	The Spar Gust in this EOS uh from this
10014s	comp as I mentioned it's a higher
10015s	difficulty to execute comp with the
10017s	double Blackbird uh the jams currently
10019s	being spread along this Vindicator this
10020s	curse and the enemy Blackbird which is
10023s	also going to be pretty important as
10024s	well because we can't see if the jams
10027s	actually land we can just see who the
10029s	jam attempts are being made towards but
10030s	the split DPS is a very important part
10032s	of dual Blackbird comps and right now
10034s	they're actually able to keep this
10035s	dragger from going down with successful
10037s	jams Landing as conversely this bar gets
10040s	NEOS are working on the curse and that
10042s	curse is dropping pretty deep into armor
10045s	the armor curse not as tough as you'd
10047s	hope it to be for an amarship it has a
10048s	low number of low slots and it's
10050s	currently getting chewed through right
10052s	now meanwhile electroshock hanging in
10055s	there uh hopefully some of those
10056s	Vindicator shots are just grazing him
10058s	otherwise he will be dropping very
10060s	quickly
10062s	yeah just staying alive right now uh
10066s	being webbed by this Vindicator but
10068s	conversely keeping the Vindicator pulled
10070s	down right now uh The Vindicator
10073s	actually he's not uh being held down but
10075s	the arbitrator is actually doing a lot
10076s	of work right now we see these tracking
10077s	disruptors on The Vindicator and Abba
10079s	actually doing a whole lot of work while
10081s	this curse meanwhile he's got newts out
10082s	but he hasn't actually been able to make
10084s	tracking disruption uh work towards the
10087s	side of only cows quite yet everyone's
10089s	still full armor but now the Sentinel
10091s	twunk sloth absolutely getting melted
10093s	right now
10095s	oh that could be a crucial loss they've
10097s	lost newts and they've lost critically
10099s	some uh some tracking destruction from
10102s	there which could be what was helping to
10104s	keep that jogger alive but it looks like
10106s	they may trade back for it with this
10107s	moles here or potentially the hyena both
10109s	of them taking a pretty severe amount of
10111s	damage for such low hit point ships
10114s	uh this is a very back and forth match
10116s	despite not a lot of blood so far it's
10119s	riding on a knife's edge
10121s	this drug are going down it's still the
10124s	focus if that does go down I agree with
10126s	you it could be huge it's their low end
10127s	damage it's links it's a pretty sizable
10130s	amount of points as well
10133s	yeah it's a lot of damage it's a lot of
10135s	links but he's still maintaining uh his
10138s	composure and maintaining uh their
10141s	ability to uh do what they need to do
10143s	right now and that is just stay alive I
10145s	mean all this a nearest of Hoyer Valeri
10147s	seems to be the focus of at least the
10149s	high end from the side of only cows they
10152s	haven't quite killed anything with their
10153s	high end yet but as I said that the
10155s	hyena finally instructure and will go
10157s	down massive rep comes in from that or
10159s	neroes just in the neck of time oh
10161s	clutch play from the ineris both
10163s	Logistics Pilots doing a great job
10165s	keeping their teams alive unfortunately
10167s	Anthony Parker's arbitrator he's dipping
10169s	into low armor can the guardian respond
10171s	with a similarly buff save here it's
10174s	teetering back and forth uh meanwhile
10176s	more of the low end taking fire on
10178s	pandemic horde side oh this is this is
10182s	so close
10183s	just under six minutes remaining in the
10185s	match right now and thus far the only
10187s	ships that have died are Sentinel and a
10188s	Confessor uh really could go either way
10190s	but Electra shock all the way down in a
10192s	structure right now these split reps not
10195s	going to be able to keep both these
10196s	ships alive I would have to imagine the
10198s	drawer Falls and that is links and all
10200s	the low end DPS off the table for only
10202s	cows
10203s	oh man that Guardian pad was forced to
10206s	make a very difficult decision he tried
10208s	to have the best of both worlds it
10209s	wasn't able to switch the Reps back fast
10211s	enough they might trade back for a hyena
10213s	here which is in high armor but sitting
10215s	in low structure from earlier damage but
10217s	that was a pretty crucial loss for only
10220s	cows they are down
10222s	quite a bit at this point uh they still
10224s	definitely have a way back in the smash
10226s	and there's plenty of support in the
10227s	chat from all the brovines out there but
10229s	they're really facing an uphill battle
10231s	if I want to take down the hyena and
10233s	importantly this curse also being taken
10236s	down very quickly the scenario uh
10239s	appears to be jammed out right now
10240s	actually no jams were on him so instead
10242s	the aniros just not able to keep the
10244s	curse up and actually that gives the
10247s	lead ever so slightly over two only cows
10250s	now two points up as they've traded
10252s	three ships for two
10256s	oh this things are probably going to
10258s	stabilize a little bit as I think
10260s	pandemic horde probably has to sort out
10261s	what they need to be targeting they want
10263s	to take down these black birds but
10264s	they're still going to be tough while
10266s	both of them are up and the guardian is
10267s	alive
10268s	uh none of the the low end of only cows
10271s	is fully gone they just have these
10273s	electronic warfare Cruisers they're not
10275s	the tankiest but they're not exactly
10277s	weak either especially if pandemic cord
10280s	can't really focus their damage
10281s	meanwhile only cows is trying to find a
10284s	way back into this match by killing some
10286s	of the e-war on pandemic horde side to
10288s	allow them to better apply to that
10289s	oneros they're focusing down on the
10291s	mollusks and seemingly the splitting
10294s	fire to the Blackbird now trying to make
10295s	their owneros decide who he's going to
10298s	keep alive I think the Blackbird is by
10299s	far the easier Target both blackbirds on
10302s	both teams now dipping deep into armor
10305s	this is going to be a race for
10306s	electronic warfare if either one of
10308s	these goes down it is going to be a huge
10310s	swing for the other team
10312s	but importantly from uh only cows they
10315s	have a double Blackbird set up so one
10317s	can jam the chips that are targeting the
10320s	other off of his buddy and we're
10321s	actually seeing that right now is
10322s	torbella able to hold right now for talk
10325s	Francis though this is nearest piloting
10327s	of Hoyer Valeri has been absolutely
10329s	crucial in this match has kept his low
10332s	end alive quite effectively but now the
10334s	sky breaker of jatzia is going down
10336s	pretty low and is getting caught by the
10338s	ineros once again the sky breaker not
10340s	known for its armor tank but is managing
10342s	to hang in there meanwhile Flor Bella is
10344s	Blackbird dipping into low armor the
10346s	stakes could not be higher for this
10347s	Guardian he needs to kill him now
10351s	his instructor now they need to get the
10353s	chance
10355s	oh and the ECM just not working out in
10358s	favor of only cows right now they still
10361s	have a lot of e-war control in three uh
10364s	you were cruisers at the moment but with
10366s	their lack of DPS only having this
10368s	Bargas in this EOS and the running after
10370s	a skybreaker which is a very very tanky
10372s	frigate it's not looking great for them
10375s	as we approach the 230 Mark remaining on
10377s	the match
10378s	yeah I feel like they're having trouble
10380s	breaking anything in the horde team that
10382s	job is only going to get harder now with
10384s	half their Blackbird Force gone they
10386s	still have the celestes still have the
10388s	arbitrator but it's not going to be
10389s	enough Hoyer Valeri actually being taken
10392s	down a half armor if they're able to do
10394s	this they might actually be able to turn
10395s	this match around because the ineros is
10397s	been absolutely massive for horde and it
10400s	looks like he's actually going down
10402s	pretty effectively I'm taking a look
10404s	he's just painted right now he's trying
10406s	to get self reps out and they've got rep
10408s	Bots coming in from this Abaddon and
10409s	this Vindicator but he's already into
10411s	structure I mean all the traits he made
10413s	on the estimate or tharson's uh guardian
10416s	and there is more damage on the side of
10419s	pandemic horde to chunk through this
10421s	Guardian as Hoyer Valeri he actually is
10424s	able to get back up onto his armor bait
10426s	tanking for all the way down to
10428s	structure and he's already back up to
10430s	one third armor make that half armor and
10433s	it looks like that will be the match the
10435s	guardian Falls and pandemic horde are
10438s	gonna manage to advance on to the main
10441s	tournament up against uh a variant once
10445s	again of the comp that won the at last
10447s	year it was a great attempt from God's
10450s	armies broadcast he maneuvered all the
10452s	way around to the back end and corralled
10454s	that uh near us but unfortunately they
10456s	weren't able to hurt it successfully it
10458s	just turned right around and stampeded
10460s	the other direction and managed to pull
10462s	back all that armor and now they just
10464s	have no path forward as their Guardian
10466s	is down that the electronic warfare on
10469s	only cows is not going to be sufficient
10470s	to keep these guys up they're going to
10472s	be leather in the next couple minutes
10474s	although that said there's only one
10475s	minute remaining so actually a good
10477s	chunk of this team may survive
10478s	unfortunately pandemic word has the
10481s	points and they will advance
10485s	yeah I mean only cows they're gonna have
10489s	to uh make their way uh through the rest
10493s	of the lower bracket uh we'll be playing
10496s	tomorrow pandemic Ward though making it
10497s	to the main tournament they want one and
10499s	two in the at last year so we'll see how
10502s	they do uh this time around maybe
10504s	they'll become price ship enjoyers but
10506s	uh another thing to note about horde is
10509s	that last year their uh horde was
10511s	actually split between two teams
10512s	pandemic core proper and then Fancy
10514s	Pants Alliance which was uh the Fancy
10517s	Pants Corporation in horde uh making
10520s	their own Alliance for Alliance
10522s	tournament and they did for the anger
10523s	games that year uh this year Fancy Pants
10526s	isn't running their own tournament teams
10527s	so they have a much larger pool of
10529s	Pilots uh to choose from especially at
10532s	experience Pilots so I'm looking forward
10535s	to see how horde does with their
10536s	combined might this year around GFS have
10539s	been called in local and the match clock
10541s	hit zero zero we're going to send it
10542s	right back to the desk and when we
10544s	return Jenna Wing not
10545s	shut up I'm trying utterly satisfying
10557s	foreign
10571s	[Music]
10595s	foreign
10610s	[Music]
10611s	[Applause]
10613s	[Music]
10616s	[Applause]
10618s	[Music]
10627s	defeats only cows only cows cow pun cow
10631s	pun cow pun imagine Ithaca Hawk said
10633s	something clever there uh very very good
10636s	match actually fantastic match
10638s	um I think that it is
10641s	important to note that while pandemic
10643s	horde one that only cows actually played
10645s	fantastic pandemic horde played
10647s	fantastic uh there was a lot of talk
10649s	about uh last year's tournament in there
10652s	and certain comps a moderator kind of
10655s	explain what the casters were getting at
10658s	there
10659s	yeah so what they were getting at is
10660s	that both teams actually brought
10662s	versions or essentially copies of what
10665s	we saw Hydro loaded bring uh both deep
10668s	into the best out of Threes And in the
10671s	best out of five grand final match and
10675s	the comps that Hydra flew that year in
10678s	that best out of five require very very
10681s	high player and pilot skill coordination
10685s	um as well as player skills so not only
10687s	do you have to position well you have to
10689s	fly your ship well you also have to
10691s	communicate effectively to your
10693s	teammates what you're doing if you've
10695s	been jammed uh what's going on and both
10698s	teams actually did a very very good job
10700s	of that I think despite the fact that
10702s	only cows lost that they're a terror in
10705s	the lower bracket
10707s	yep absolutely uh Mark what like why did
10711s	only cows have trouble sort of sealing
10713s	the deal here
10715s	the I mean they were up against a a
10719s	it's a difficult position and and
10721s	wingnet actually mentioned it in the um
10724s	uh the comments let me see if I can pull
10727s	up his comments real quick because
10728s	they're they're really really astute
10729s	effectively you're looking at a
10731s	situation where you're damned if you do
10733s	damned if you don't right
10735s	um where if you jam the Fendi and you
10737s	keep your tackle alive you leave the
10739s	curse free to just run roughshod over
10742s	your entire team but if you jam the
10743s	curse and you know you keep your comp
10745s	mobile then the Bendy is just gonna
10746s	murder you right uh and the vindi is is
10749s	extremely strong uh I was surprised if
10751s	any you know took so long to go after
10754s	the EOS because they're basically
10755s	sitting right on top of each other for
10756s	such a long time
10758s	um but you know I I think this is one of
10761s	those and people I I feel like people
10762s	will be surprised at how long this match
10765s	went but this is the ideal right I think
10768s	I think we can all agree like long
10770s	matches teams that are fairly evenly
10772s	matched running into each other not
10774s	every match needs to be a white uh and
10776s	that was a ton of fun to watch that was
10777s	really really enjoyable
10780s	yeah it was a very very very high tier
10783s	High technical difficulty play on both
10785s	teams
10786s	um obviously we sometimes say it's like
10789s	oh well Shield Rush is pretty easy like
10790s	all these setups are very hard to Pilot
10792s	like none of this is like an Easy Auto
10794s	win con because if it was everybody
10795s	would fly it but in regards to that uh
10799s	both sides were probably playing some of
10802s	the harder setups with only cows they
10804s	cut they gambled on flying something
10805s	very technically difficult and they
10807s	almost won with it
10808s	um but kind of looking at it moderator
10810s	how do you think that that setup goes
10812s	against eight DPS medium gunships that
10815s	we've been seeing use so much
10817s	well um the question is can you actually
10819s	Jam a lot of those ships out if you can
10822s	you're going to do very well uh with
10825s	those two blackbirds if you can't you're
10827s	going to
10829s	um kind of eat and with some of the
10832s	changes and this was in effect last year
10834s	is
10835s	you need to make sure that you're cross
10837s	jamming ships essentially
10841s	um the way ECM works now is that you can
10844s	always lock back the ship that is
10846s	targeting you and what Bart's kind of
10847s	getting at is okay well if you kind of
10850s	jam this out what if you still have like
10852s	four Cruisers that can attack you uh and
10856s	the answer is you still buy anyway even
10857s	if you win gems so you need to do a very
10860s	good job of coordinating those gems
10862s	while also trying to stay out of eight
10864s	very very angry Cruisers and battle
10867s	Cruisers that can project uh on top of
10869s	you
10870s	um
10871s	absolutely well Penny McCord did a
10873s	fantastic job showing very very good
10876s	Mastery of maybe an older setup which uh
10879s	they did quite well um very very
10880s	powerful only cows also did a great job
10883s	they still have to go through the lower
10884s	bracket the uh Stakes have definitely
10886s	been braised for all of the other teams
10888s	down there and hopefully they will be
10889s	able to go up against the uh nasty ECM
10893s	power or whatever else they might be
10895s	bringing uh all that being said we have
10897s	another match we have Road Capel versus
10899s	shut up I'm trying uh wrote Capel
10902s	pretty famous for being sort of a
10905s	mid-tier team but I do believe that
10906s	they're a team captain from the last
10908s	couple years is actually no longer with
10910s	them I believe that lady labia has
10914s	chosen to go to a different team I think
10916s	I saw them on White Flag but I might
10918s	might be mistaken on that one so wrote
10920s	Scott a little bit it's gonna be a
10922s	little tough for them this time I think
10923s	yeah some of their their captain and
10926s	some of their better players so that
10927s	would be apathetic Brent uh who's then a
10929s	tournament uh perennial on road Capel
10932s	and uh Hydra and hydra's partners since
10935s	I really the last 10 years
10938s	um was the captain of the road team last
10940s	year he has gone with Alice Kate to a
10943s	hydra's practice partner this year White
10945s	Flag so uh wrote losing some of their I
10948s	would say more experienced players and
10950s	of course a captain is going to hurt a
10952s	lot but they still have some
10954s	fundamentally pretty solid uh players
10957s	that can execute at a level that
10961s	um you know has gotten teams like wrote
10963s	in you know top 16 top 12 uh so they're
10968s	not you know completely out of luck
10971s	having lost some of their players
10974s	through and let's take a look at the
10975s	bands here real quick so we did have
10977s	wrote Banning The balgorn Vindicator so
10980s	that's a little bit of a throwback ban
10982s	um both of them have been very powerful
10984s	ships I don't know about The Vindicator
10985s	as much with shut up and try and banning
10987s	it carries and an exec Navy issue uh
10989s	Mark how do you feel about this yeah I
10991s	mean the the setup I'm trying uh of
10994s	course wormholers very wise have big
10996s	brains uh made two pretty smart bands
10999s	here I think the carries obviously uh
11001s	you're getting a lot of a lot of
11003s	suppression uh for not a lot of money uh
11005s	with the carries we've seen what those
11007s	carries uh comps can do especially if
11009s	you're not able to Nuke it right out of
11010s	the gate those dams can be absolutely
11012s	oppressive and of course we talked
11013s	earlier I won't go on any further by the
11015s	exec Navy about how good the exact Navy
11017s	is uh and as for the other the other uh
11020s	the other bands I don't know I I'm
11022s	always kind of hesitant about Battleship
11024s	bands unless there's a like a reason for
11026s	it
11027s	um but you know I assume wrote knows
11029s	what they're doing they have pedigree
11031s	you know
11034s	yes I would uh I would absolutely hope
11036s	so and uh we do have the teams Landing
11038s	right now a little bit interesting
11040s	warpins here which I will definitely
11042s	save for the uh casters to talk about um
11046s	as the team's Landing so let's get real
11047s	quick predictions here uh moderator what
11050s	are you thinking is about to happen you
11052s	know I'm gonna go with uh Rory hashino
11054s	uh and wrote Capell
11057s	Rory Shino and wrote Capell and Mark how
11060s	are you uh how are you feeling about
11061s	this one I think I'm also going to go
11063s	with rope Coppell uh yeah I'm gonna go
11065s	throat
11069s	hmm you're gonna go with rote all right
11071s	well I uh I feel like we're gonna have
11074s	to send those over to the commentators
11075s	because it is about to start before I
11076s	make my predictions so I will uh you
11079s	know kind of sham out on that one
11085s	hello everyone and welcome one last time
11087s	to the arena it's myself Annie uh wing
11089s	nut here to watch this wonderful game
11091s	between Rogue Capel and shut up I am
11093s	trying as you can see Chef I'm trying
11095s	have brought basically the Apex possible
11097s	version of a Nighthawk Rush setup
11101s	only that they haven't brought four of
11103s	their pilots unfortunately they're
11105s	running three Nighthawks and a hugin and
11107s	a scimitar so they're gonna try and get
11109s	in and try and put those Night books to
11111s	use what I've wrote capelle brought here
11113s	for us oh they have brought a triple
11115s	Battleship core which I am very much a
11117s	fan of Mega Navy Armageddon Navy and of
11119s	course the ultra thick avadon they put
11121s	it also a mountain of control on the
11122s	back line so I'm liking this a lot but
11125s	um
11126s	so shut up I'm trying uh worm holder no
11130s	I believe they are and they do have a
11131s	absolutely delightful logo
11133s	is there are the rest of the team
11135s	cloaked is that what's going on here
11138s	I believe they're actually waiting on
11139s	the other side of that Wormhole you can
11141s	just see uh to the brightness
11143s	uh they're gonna be jumping in anytime
11145s	soon crashing the hole and making sure
11147s	that broker have nowhere left to retreat
11149s	to
11150s	I I don't see this going well for them
11152s	but at least they've got a Plus on the
11154s	skin game right now the match goes
11155s	underway and then I hook to do what
11157s	Nighthawks do so they're going to rush
11159s	in and obviously roach can just sit
11160s	there and wait if they really wanted to
11162s	but they're going in as well fair enough
11165s	yeah
11167s	the match up here really really is not
11169s	in suits favor either maybe if this had
11172s	been going up against something with a
11173s	little less DPS they could have had a
11174s	hope but well going up against something
11177s	that's going to apply so well to those
11179s	Night books is brutal you know those
11182s	things have the signature radius of a
11184s	small carrier when they're mwding
11185s	towards battleships and uh as you can
11188s	see that character isn't long for the
11189s	world either
11190s	God Save the Queen yep uh that's
11192s	expected and uh they're going for the
11194s	Abaddon first why honestly the thickest
11197s	option on grid
11199s	sure
11201s	I mean you know this is this is the way
11204s	that you see Shield Rush work how you
11206s	want to use a shield Rush is you
11207s	identify the most vulnerable chord
11209s	component of your enemies team and then
11211s	you put your DPS onto it and you hope it
11213s	dies before all of your big boys die as
11216s	well I think there's a flaw in that idea
11218s	the most vulnerable Abaddon pick one
11224s	look at the absolute wave of rep drones
11226s	by the way on this Avalon there is a lot
11227s	I've even seen some heavy armor rep
11229s	drones on the Abaddon so they're they're
11231s	not even doing anything to it there are
11233s	so much reps on this Amazon there's no
11234s	smart bombs there's no way to remove it
11236s	I don't think they're ever going to
11238s	budge the arm and it's going to get
11240s	worse with them too as that reactive
11241s	gets worse and worse for them
11243s	yeah the uh Murray rothalbo in the
11246s	augural Navy issue has managed to sneak
11248s	into the back line although there wasn't
11250s	really anyone trying to stop him from
11251s	getting there and he has tackled down
11253s	that Scimitar as well so I imagine
11254s	that's going to be the next Target after
11255s	Quinn Yi goes down and it's just going
11258s	to be a slow picking apart here really
11260s	of soup from Road Coppell
11262s	that's one of the fun things about the
11264s	road comp at the moment is that because
11265s	the Abaddon can basically and touch the
11267s	Scimitar where it is I'm pretty sure and
11269s	again maybe I'm just double checking to
11270s	see if it's Rapids I think it's rap but
11272s	okay no it's guns we're good here
11274s	there's a gun Armageddon Navy so bbp is
11277s	happy
11277s	yeah I gotta say you know it's always
11280s	nice to see teams like soup come out um
11283s	I think they had a similar issue in the
11285s	last Alliance tournament as well but
11287s	here's hoping that next year they'll be
11289s	able to either put together some sort of
11291s	six-man comp that's a bit more viable
11294s	or um recruit a few more members
11297s	obviously the alliance tournament's open
11299s	to anyone who wants to compete so
11302s	yeah I mean if you wanna if you want to
11303s	join the team I guess reach out to them
11305s	they'll probably be willing to take you
11306s	good chance to get into the tournament
11308s	because honestly it's
11310s	the other man comfortable you've
11311s	actually seen work I believe it was um
11313s	was it bombers bar was it Noir something
11316s	along those lines brought like an
11318s	underman comp with five people and
11319s	actually dunked the opposing team a few
11321s	years back I can't remember what team it
11322s	was anymore it's been a while but
11323s	underman can definitely work you need to
11325s	bring out the right comp to do it and uh
11326s	fortunately this was not it I believe we
11328s	saw a nine-man comp take it take things
11330s	very very close here uh last weekend as
11333s	well
11335s	hopefully at some point we see a tinker
11337s	or something like that because those are
11338s	those are the areas where an on-demand
11340s	team can really shine no weak spots
11343s	exactly you just have all thick ships
11345s	you're staying they're not willing to
11346s	die
11347s	it can definitely work like there is a
11349s	room somewhere in some medic a matter of
11351s	mind to make another man comp that
11353s	functions really well but the amount you
11355s	lose to do it is not an easy choice to
11358s	make and most teams will just go just
11359s	bring 10 men you get more chance of
11361s	winning
11362s	what do you think about this megaphone
11364s	Navy issue though why are we seeing so
11366s	many of those as a backstrip choice it's
11368s	not something that often gets brought
11370s	I mean I'm I'm just a mega fan at heart
11373s	to be honest so I'm going to be very
11374s	biased it's just like the vindy's little
11376s	brother
11377s	it is honestly it's a very good ship I
11379s	think they said it the um tracking bonus
11381s	is one of my favorite things for it it
11382s	has no trouble really applying stuff the
11384s	vendor uses webs to apply to things the
11387s	mega just uses a grapple on its own guns
11388s	so it's actually very hard to hold down
11391s	safely is kind of my own personal
11393s	opinion
11394s	yeah that utility high from the new is
11396s	so the utility high that lets you put
11398s	either a new or a smart bulb in there is
11400s	just so powerful in a tournament format
11402s	like this especially when it's
11404s	effectively the cost of a T1 Battleship
11406s	as well with the points reduction
11408s	afforded by
11410s	the galantis sponsorship of this
11412s	livestock Point reduction went to the
11414s	mega Navy I didn't even like I was like
11416s	oh yeah it's a thing
11419s	I'm actually very excited about that the
11420s	fact that it has a utility high like I
11422s	used to fly up solo Megas in null and
11424s	yeah you need to make a you have to make
11426s	your own utility fiber removing a gun
11428s	it's amazing what one utility I can do
11430s	to a battleship it goes from being
11432s	worthless to immediately viable
11435s	oh goodbye Scimitar soon you can see the
11437s	entire comes rushing over to kill it
11438s	thank you for showing up suit but
11440s	unfortunately uh this was not the right
11442s	arena for you
11443s	yeah well they do still get another
11445s	another chance to play I'm not sure if
11447s	that's today or I think that's tomorrow
11449s	yes
11450s	so
11453s	it'll be very interesting to see how
11454s	they do there and if they bring
11456s	something similar or refer they're able
11458s	to refine their planning a little more
11462s	I'm sure there's anything for the
11464s	channel somewhere
11465s	there we are That's The Last Ship Off
11467s	the Grid so we will uh hand it back to
11469s	the studio and find out what the
11470s	analysts have to say about that
11475s	[Music]
11482s	[Music]
11488s	rain are you in the armor Vagabond or
11491s	something no um I've got axle ISP
11496s	and polarized guns
11498s	[Laughter]
11501s	hahaha
11503s	okay Sig you you are one of two people
11507s	that couldn't listen and couldn't check
11509s	bookmarks and find your own way out the
11512s	route the entire route was literally
11514s	bookmarked out to losac I bookmarked it
11516s	10 minutes in advance
11518s	guys stop being casual they're really
11521s	bad we should not lose anybody to this
11523s	warp off warp off take the fleet warp
11525s	everybody warp off this is a really
11526s	really bad execution I'm very
11528s	disappointed
11535s	and with that uh despite missing some of
11537s	their members who have gone to a other
11538s	groups wrote Capell has secured their
11540s	place in Alliance tournament 19. uh shut
11543s	up I'm trying we'll have one more shot
11545s	uh tomorrow as jyn was correct on that
11548s	uh to attempt to make it in past the
11552s	feeders round uh obviously there was a
11554s	little bit of roughness there underman
11556s	teams traditionally don't perform
11557s	particularly well but you know as per
11560s	usual like big props any team that shows
11562s	up thank you for showing up even if you
11564s	weren't able to get the full amount of
11565s	people it is so much better at least for
11567s	the viewers to have something to watch
11569s	than for us to have an hour of dead
11571s	space so uh props to you guys for
11574s	showing up even if you were a little
11575s	undermanned um I will say that uh there
11578s	are some comps that I think Jin hinted
11580s	at a moderator like what what could you
11582s	do if you only had six people
11585s	uh I mean you could do like Battleship
11589s	rushes you can do things like that and
11591s	just kind of pray that you get on top
11593s	and just out trade and then you can just
11595s	survive longer
11597s	um way back in the day there used to be
11600s	something called a tinker comp which
11601s	would be you deliberately take a very
11603s	undermanned setup this was back when
11605s	Tech three uh Logistics had a lot more
11608s	rep power and both locally and uh this
11612s	was many many years ago but essentially
11615s	um you know you'd rate like a self
11617s	tanking a sort of composition and you
11621s	just grind out the other team
11623s	kill somewhaji and then you just win uh
11626s	CCP over the last few years has made it
11629s	so that you know maybe
11632s	um having you know just a death ball fit
11634s	there for 10 minutes and not do anything
11636s	not the most entertaining match to watch
11637s	so we made it so you can't just transfer
11640s	infinitely to each other and just kind
11644s	of uh break the laws of thermodynamics
11646s	infinitely so
11649s	um unfortunately these days you can't do
11651s	nearly as much but I mean mad respect to
11653s	them for showing up and trying and uh
11655s	giving it a shot so we appreciate them
11657s	coming out
11658s	foreign
11660s	the other interesting one that we saw
11663s	just as kind of a maybe a heads up maybe
11665s	they're listening maybe they want some
11667s	super pro tips is we were actually
11668s	seeing these uh I believe they were four
11671s	Battleship setups in the captain's cup
11673s	which was kind of interesting and a
11675s	couple of them actually did really well
11676s	by just absolutely blasting someone so
11679s	hey if you only got six Pilots maybe
11680s	bring four battleships I don't think you
11682s	can actually do that but you know do
11684s	something sub-similar like like mod set
11686s	triple Battleship rush in there see what
11688s	can happen uh we've actually seen
11690s	Specter Fleet uh back in yield in days
11693s	do some upsets by Blaster Hall rushing
11696s	people and those are always fun to watch
11697s	one way or another
11699s	um but you know other than that uh the
11702s	only like big thing that in that match
11705s	that was interesting we haven't really
11706s	we've seen it a lot but we haven't
11707s	talked about it uh reps drones Mark
11709s	resurrectus like yeah what are they why
11712s	are they so good or bad
11713s	so rep drones are supplemental Logistics
11717s	that you get uh from drones right I mean
11719s	you you have a a handful of different
11721s	drones you can come into or you can use
11723s	coming into one of these fights uh the
11725s	almost a lot of teams will opt for uh EC
11729s	drones to try and put them on lodging
11731s	break lodgy spools or not logic schools
11733s	but break break reps uh they'll you know
11736s	afford to use you know sometimes heavy
11738s	damaged drones or medium damaged drones
11740s	just to in to supplement their the
11742s	damage they've already got
11744s	um but a lot of groups will put and when
11746s	when my team flew in the at we always
11748s	had full Rec or full racks of uh rep
11752s	drones because if your logic goes down
11754s	the rep drones allow you to still have
11756s	some kind of logistics on the grid even
11759s	after your your reps are gone right so
11762s	if you lose that valuable logic Cruiser
11764s	or you lose your two logic frigates a
11766s	lot of times those those drones are the
11768s	only thing that will actually keep your
11770s	comp up I we've had Comics before where
11772s	we've had people going hard on on
11774s	frigate Logie and those light armor
11777s	drones were the only things that were
11779s	keeping the frigate lodgy alive through
11781s	heavy DPS so it is valuable to have
11783s	those some people will sneak in uh you
11786s	know smart bombs into their comp just to
11788s	kind of you know drive into the wall of
11791s	of rep drones and try and smart bomb
11793s	some of those off so a lot of different
11794s	ways to play against it uh it is
11796s	interesting whenever they
11798s	um you know you come down to the to two
11800s	teams that have to only rely on laundry
11802s	drones uh and then there are a lot of
11804s	cool plays back and forth on how to
11806s	mitigate some of that
11808s	well said and the uh I think one of the
11811s	big ones too is that in these
11812s	battleships that can feel the full
11813s	flight of heavy rupt drones the heavy
11815s	rough drones a full flight of them is
11817s	actually I think it's about 30 to 40
11819s	percent the rep power of like a guardian
11821s	it is not an insignificant amount
11823s	they're pretty wild uh other thing we've
11826s	been seeing actually quite a bit the
11827s	last couple days is these Nighthawk
11830s	Shield rushes obviously that one didn't
11831s	do so well but laser Hawks did a
11833s	fantastic job and we kind of let's talk
11836s	about this ship a little bit because
11837s	there's some interesting stuff with the
11839s	graphs and it's definitely not one of
11842s	the most winningest ships of all time
11843s	but some of that is because when two
11845s	teams use Nighthawks against each other
11847s	uh one of them is obviously going to
11849s	lose so moderator like taking a look at
11852s	this you know we see some interesting
11854s	stuff here with Nighthawks
11856s	yeah so um Nighthawks have had have been
11859s	one of the ships that's been in this
11861s	game for uh well over a decade we see a
11863s	lot of use kind of in the early early
11865s	days 87 through nine um even before I
11868s	started playing in 2012 uh where it had
11872s	a different role and was you know viable
11874s	in you know that meta uh where I'm sure
11877s	there's you know maybe even a handful of
11879s	people still playing from then and then
11881s	you look between the gap between at 16
11883s	and 1817 and that was when command ships
11886s	got a major major buff the Nighthawk
11889s	used to do a fairly anemic amount of
11891s	damage and then it nearly doubled
11894s	so it got more fitting more tank uh more
11898s	resist and now it hits like a truck
11902s	yes and uh they can also be flown in
11905s	both kiting and brawling setup so you
11907s	haven't really seen any kiting
11908s	Nighthawks uh their points have been
11910s	slowly being jacked up over the last
11912s	probably a year or two um there is one
11914s	at where the a very common setup was
11917s	double Loki triple Nighthawk and then
11919s	you could still bring like three command
11921s	destroyers and two Logistics frigates
11924s	and a skybreaker and you can't do that
11926s	anymore
11927s	um the points we adjust the points every
11929s	single year specifically to try and keep
11931s	it a little bit fresh
11933s	um which I think is a good thing right
11934s	Mark yeah I mean the Nighthawk is so
11937s	strong uh you don't want to see comps
11940s	that are just that right one of the
11942s	things that's so exciting about the at
11944s	is is and any of these tournaments
11946s	really is how how unique comps get right
11949s	out the gate and before they settle into
11951s	a meta but even at the meta level there
11954s	are so many different cool options with
11955s	the way ships get banned and people have
11957s	to adjust on the Fly High Level teams do
11960s	this so well that they can effectively
11963s	create brand new you know meta defining
11965s	comps out of basically nothing right on
11967s	you know at a moment's notice so
11970s	um you know you don't want these comps
11972s	then just end up being three of the best
11974s	to ship right so I like the Nighthawk
11977s	we've talked about it earlier a little
11978s	bit uh it's super strong uh I don't know
11981s	if it's super strong in this application
11982s	but they are a lot of fun to fly
11984s	yeah they've definitely been they've
11986s	been doing pretty well um they've
11988s	obviously lost matches they've won
11989s	matches they've technically lost more
11991s	matches than they've won uh according to
11993s	that graph but that is because like
11995s	legit in at 17 and 18 people were flying
11999s	Nighthawk rushes into each other so yeah
12001s	it's a very powerful ship um I still
12004s	personally think Southerners are better
12005s	but you know that's okay we're all
12006s	allowed to have our opinions even twitch
12008s	chat is allowed to have their opinion uh
12011s	we do have our final match of the day
12013s	coming up which is going to be of
12014s	essence versus dracaris so uh all of the
12018s	matches that we've been seeing today
12021s	have been
12023s	um non-elimination matches with the
12025s	exception of like the first two and then
12028s	High SEC minors versus cast about so
12030s	you'll be seeing pretty much all of
12031s	these teams that lost today tomorrow
12034s	which is pretty so no matter who wins uh
12038s	tomorrow we will be doing this once more
12039s	time at the same time it will be
12041s	starting at about 1700 eave time and we
12044s	have quite a lot of matches tomorrow
12045s	actually because we'll have the uh the
12047s	final gallante gamble matches which is
12050s	real exciting and interesting and I'm
12053s	Gonna Leave explaining that to CCP
12055s	overload who will be returning as host
12057s	tomorrow so
12059s	make sure we put them on the spot on
12060s	that uh he will absolutely love uh we do
12064s	have the bands for these teams which is
12066s	also super duper fun and exciting with
12069s	uh of essence Banning out the barkist
12071s	and the Le Shack and your car spanning
12073s	out the bargist and the balgorn uh if
12077s	you are unaware of the way the rules
12078s	work if two teams ban the same thing
12080s	they get an additional ban so we have
12082s	for an additional band jacarus is banned
12084s	out the typhoon Fleet issue and the
12088s	um
12089s	megathron Navy has been banned out as
12091s	well so we're seeing pretty much every
12093s	single major Battleship band here aren't
12095s	we mod
12096s	yeah yeah I was gonna say the only
12098s	Battleship we've really seen has been
12100s	maybe a Hyperion maybe The Dominics Navy
12103s	issue or the um Armageddon Navy so a lot
12107s	of the battleship Staples here getting
12108s	banned uh still leaves open a lot of
12111s	Shield options still leaves open a lot
12112s	of these uh as jyn likes to call them
12115s	this uh maximum threat option so
12120s	um not quite sure about these bands but
12122s	definitely says no bad ships for you
12126s	yes no battleships for you I mean
12127s	obviously there are still quite a lot
12129s	open but uh the typhoon Fleet issue Mark
12131s	like why like what what is the typhoon
12133s	Fleet issue we've barely seen it I don't
12136s	know man like you've already picked the
12139s	Le Shack as one of your bands which I
12141s	think is maybe ill-advised we talked
12142s	about
12144s	um I mean if you really didn't want to
12145s	see battleships you could also pick the
12147s	avadon as is is good to get rid of in
12149s	this case people fly a lot of abatons
12151s	and armor comps I mean the typhoon Fleet
12153s	is fine it's good you know it's it is
12155s	like a worse bargist in some ways
12159s	um but I I don't know I don't I don't I
12162s	don't know if that's really the move I
12163s	would make here
12165s	that is totally fair enough and uh I do
12168s	think that typhoon Fleet issues uh
12170s	module probably know this you've you've
12172s	got a little better grasp of history on
12174s	it but they used to be like the ship
12177s	for several ATS I think is that correct
12180s	yeah back in kind of the 12 uh man
12183s	format back when I was in Exodus we
12185s	basically flew a typhoon Fleet core all
12188s	the way to basically third place and it
12191s	was still good even then on for a couple
12193s	more years but you know changes to
12195s	points and uh the way uh balances worked
12199s	out senses meant that uh it just really
12201s	doesn't feel the same Niche that it used
12203s	to and it's no longer the comp it once
12206s	was
12208s	well unfortunately we will not be seeing
12210s	it so nobody would be able to prove us
12212s	uh wrong here but uh I'm sure we'll see
12215s	it at some point it always seems to make
12216s	her an appearance at some point somebody
12218s	tries to bring a triple typhoon Fleet
12220s	issue setup and do some super cool stuff
12223s	with it uh the teams are in local and
12225s	are starting to land which is super
12227s	awesome so uh Mark of essence or
12230s	dracarus who's winning this one I
12233s	honestly have no idea uh I you know I
12235s	can't say I know too much about either
12237s	one of these teams uh I have Essence is
12239s	the is the money pick right now so of
12242s	course I picked the upset and have gone
12243s	with uh drakaris for this one plus they
12247s	just skinned their Fort or their keep
12248s	sorry it looks great so easy pick
12250s	awesome that is the keep stress Skins
12253s	are pretty awesome I do like uh I do
12255s	like seeing them like the skin game has
12257s	always been amazing ccp's art team has
12259s	always been wonderful uh moderator which
12262s	group do you think is taking this one
12264s	I am going to have to go with
12269s	um not dracars
12271s	so in essence
12273s	yes just just making sure all right cool
12276s	that's super fantastic all right the the
12279s	teams are in this will be our last match
12281s	of the day and we're gonna hand it over
12283s	to our wonderful commentary pair to take
12285s	us through this wonderful spaceship
12287s	explosion Journey
12294s	hello and welcome to your main event for
12296s	the evening we have drakaris versus of
12299s	essence drakaris bringing a very
12302s	interesting blend of armor control and
12304s	DPS Rush
12306s	here what do we have on the other
12308s	Essence side
12309s	well I've got triple Battleship core
12311s	Army got a Navy Vindicator and template
12314s	Fleet issue this is not uh this is
12317s	actually a type of setup we saw a little
12319s	bit uh last it I will also point out
12321s	those are rapid Heavies on the
12322s	Armageddon Navy issue I don't like the
12325s	mixed weapon systems I feel like if you
12327s	have a Vindicator and a tempest Fleet
12328s	they should be uh lasers on the
12330s	Armageddon Navy issue but uh importantly
12333s	I think the ship to look at is all three
12335s	of these battleships warped to zero on
12337s	the dakara side is this Redeemer it's
12339s	not a ship we see a whole lot of in the
12341s	at but it's worth moaning uh it's worth
12344s	noticing that it has uh actually a large
12348s	uh turret bonus as well as a neutralizer
12352s	amount bonus so actually does decent
12355s	amounts of DPS as they see him start to
12357s	chew into this Vindicator alongside his
12359s	Armageddon AV issue and Abaddon and the
12362s	Armageddon Navy issue for dracaris is
12364s	actually a laser boat
12366s	now curious Target selection going after
12368s	The Vindicator uh you would think they
12370s	would be able to keep that sort of on
12372s	the back burner with their nudes alone
12374s	maybe hoping to put newts on the
12376s	logistics instead but those being
12379s	Logistics frigates that's kind of a
12380s	questionable call here as meanwhile of
12383s	essence primering the Navitas for
12385s	jakaris trying to take out the tech one
12387s	logic frigate not exactly known for its
12389s	own tank although it can put out a
12391s	respectable amount of reps also rusan
12394s	saw of the Redeemer oh getting deep into
12397s	armor about one-third armor now not
12399s	clawing that back very effectively this
12401s	is a bit of a race between the Redeemer
12403s	and The Vindicator as who goes down
12404s	first and it could be a deciding factor
12407s	in this match
12408s	yeah armor got a Navy issue remember
12410s	from of essence is a rapid heavy boat so
12412s	they will lose some DPS when that gets
12414s	clipped but Chad flame in The Vindicator
12416s	also in very low armor right now able to
12419s	live just barely as they win the initial
12421s	Battleship trade uh more damage is also
12423s	going low into low end some low end to
12426s	low in violence at the moment Thalia
12428s	going down pretty low the second Navy
12429s	this novitos also falling pretty low but
12432s	the team captain of us Essence and our
12434s	co-commentator uh Chad flame has been
12436s	taken down but they will trade for at
12438s	least it's exact Navy and probably the
12440s	novitos as well
12441s	one thing to note is that of essence
12443s	seems to be Distributing their
12444s	neutralizers across the drakaris team
12446s	where strikaris is focusing them all in
12448s	the primary target of the Thalia
12450s	traditional logic would say that you
12452s	want to neutralize the the other
12454s	logistic frigate so that you can put all
12456s	your DPS on one try to nude out the
12458s	other and that gives you enough to break
12460s	the Reps for cars not employing that
12462s	strategy here but of essence definitely
12464s	is and they're rewarded by taking that
12466s	navitus down now it seems like they are
12468s	splitting damage a little bit I think
12470s	the low end is going for The Inquisitor
12472s	while the rest tries to focus on the
12474s	extra Navy
12476s	and sure enough that Inquisitor drops
12478s	rapidly it may be joined by The Tempest
12480s	Fleet issue on the uh of essence team
12483s	there will be a huge chunk of their
12484s	damage they're not out of this yet
12487s	yeah the high end looks to be going for
12489s	this Oracle right now of deer mumuson a
12491s	very effective Target to take down
12493s	because it's got Battleship guns with a
12495s	somewhere between a cruiser and a battle
12497s	cruiser level of DPS being in an attack
12499s	battle cruiser it doesn't have a whole
12501s	lot of tank but this Tempest Fleet issue
12503s	going down is really really scary for
12505s	them because they only have a rapid
12507s	heavy boat and the Armageddon Navy issue
12509s	and this is once again going for Rapid
12510s	Heavies over uh lasers might be a bit of
12514s	an issue for them they are able to take
12516s	down the Oracle so that's a lot of DPS
12517s	out the field but they're going to lose
12518s	their Thalia as well as the OG Navy and
12521s	the pawn effects and the exact Navy uh
12523s	of drakaris are able to take that down
12525s	but the sex act Navy also soon to fall I
12527s	mean there's just a lot of damage
12528s	between uh of us and sex Navy and their
12531s	nurgle they will lose their Tempest
12532s	Fleet issue though so it's now two
12534s	battleships versus one but the low end
12536s	War has been won by of essence yeah that
12539s	nurgle is a key player there as well as
12541s	the spitball both of them deal
12542s	incredible amounts of damage for ships
12544s	of their size the nurgle is basically a
12546s	pocket hack has the tank and damage of a
12549s	sacrilege uh now we're seeing teskey
12552s	zealots Navy Armageddon beginning to be
12555s	primary to onto cars aside is dipping
12558s	into armor respectively as you noted
12560s	we're going to see that start and stop a
12561s	little bit as they get in Navy runs out
12563s	of clip it's got a long way to go before
12566s	he's down
12567s	yeah but importantly the nurgle is now
12569s	shooting the primary target as the
12570s	Mueller just gets absolutely chunked oh
12573s	wrecking shots upon gretching shots uh
12576s	ripped to the new pressure that that
12577s	brings uh from their team but as I was
12579s	mentioning this nurgle uh currently uh
12582s	not facing any new pressure from the
12584s	armaged Navy issue of teskey uh is going
12587s	to be able to supplant or is it to
12590s	supplement I should say the rapid heavy
12592s	clips of bunny in his own Urban
12595s	Scandinavia issue but they are losing
12596s	this Magus pretty quickly now uh of
12599s	essence though they got to be really
12601s	careful they're winning in points but
12602s	only barely at the
12605s	moments back that's the links down that
12608s	Deacon may follow with just the low end
12610s	damage here that Armageddon Navy he is
12613s	at half armor he's dropping relatively
12615s	rapidly but he's got probably at least
12618s	one more reload from the get a Navy
12620s	before they go damage oh that urgel's
12623s	dropping a lot faster than you'd expect
12626s	he's going to be able to get his ADC off
12629s	and maybe try to piece together the rest
12633s	of the dks needed to get the summer get
12634s	a Navy issue as he has been spooled up
12636s	but he's all done
12641s	they're going to win this one now
12644s	oh my gosh
12647s	the nudes from the geta Navy absolutely
12649s	clutch there turning off the ADC
12653s	and that's the spiffle now just to get a
12655s	navy and an Executor Navy that is a huge
12658s	huge amount of DPS but jacaros is
12660s	majorly up on points
12662s	majorly but they will lose their gun
12664s	Navy and it won't be it's not rapid
12666s	heavy Clips he might be able to
12668s	alongside this exact Navy take down the
12670s	low end and then we get get Navy versus
12672s	Abba the Scandinavia is worth more
12673s	points so that's what you have to do
12676s	this war of attrition kill teskey Zealot
12678s	and then kill this all Navy and this
12679s	Pawn effects as quickly as you can
12681s	hopefully before Mike had goes down this
12683s	is actually going to go down to the wire
12684s	I already called the match but I was
12686s	wrong Mike had in the Zack Navy though
12689s	if he goes down pretty quickly this
12690s	could be all over all jacarus is
12693s	counting the beans here
12695s	they're absolutely crunching these
12697s	numbers can they do it if they take this
12698s	exit down it looks like they're going to
12700s	his tank is absolutely melting why is
12703s	the damage going on the Abba that's such
12706s	a huge mistake from assassins
12709s	[Music]
12711s	Navy he can't actually single clip
12714s	anyone on this team let alone in a baton
12718s	they're going after the battle because
12720s	they need it they need it he can't clear
12722s	the amount of points they need by
12724s	killing the rest he's got to bring the
12725s	abandoned down before the time goes no
12727s	it's it's foreign you have to clear the
12730s	the OG Navy and the pawn effects it's
12731s	less ehp uh yeah like uh I I don't know
12738s	still got rapid heavy Clips going into
12741s	him but he still is going to be able to
12742s	constantly uh pump out damage he's gonna
12745s	be able to get his Ansel reloads in
12747s	while this is just gonna say that has
12750s	his clips and he's clipped out right now
12752s	no he's done Eden has a local rapper
12754s	that is gonna spell the end of it for
12756s	for of essence that is a local rep or
12759s	abandoned they've managed to keep one of
12761s	its low slots in reserve for what I
12763s	presume as an Ansel rapper so he is
12765s	going to be clawing that hit points back
12767s	even without a logistic ship on his side
12769s	of the field that is absolutely
12771s	gut-wrenching for a bunny he had to see
12773s	that armor tick back up and just have
12775s	his heart sink
12777s	yeah I mean it's it really sucks as a
12780s	rapid heavy ship when they're up against
12781s	active armorships they're both currently
12783s	sitting at about the same armor uh
12786s	percent armor remaining but once this
12788s	Army got a Navy issue a bunny runs out
12790s	of his rapid heavy clip uh it's going to
12793s	be the all the abaddin show uh he's
12796s	still firing missiles though right now
12797s	so hasn't clipped out quite yet he's
12799s	leading for the time being but the
12801s	second he hits his rapid heavy reload
12803s	this a baton if he's smart is going to
12806s	stop his Ansel armor repair module
12809s	reload it and the reload times are about
12812s	equal between the two modules so we'll
12814s	be able to have it back up in time uh to
12816s	tank back up against this arm and get a
12817s	Navy issue
12819s	what a what a knife's edge match this
12821s	went back and forth several times could
12823s	have gone either way at various points
12825s	in this matchup but now you're seeing
12827s	jakaris with just Superior Target
12829s	calling managed to keep their composure
12832s	and Claw their way back into this match
12834s	killing off the low end of low of of
12836s	essence and now they're just sitting
12839s	fairly comfortably this a baton he's
12841s	about half armor but he can keep pulling
12844s	that back and it's just not going to be
12846s	enough is a minute and a half left he
12848s	may not even go down before the end of
12849s	time here I mean this rapid heavy clip
12853s	he's going into Frederick right now uh
12856s	he's got the damage back on top of him
12858s	29 armor remaining on the Sabbat and uh
12861s	56 armor emitting on this get Navy
12864s	if somehow
12866s	bunny is able to take down the Sabaton
12868s	before the end of the match uh and
12871s	before he Clips out because at this
12873s	point he only has time for one reload
12875s	and a little bit uh in his Armageddon
12878s	Navy issue uh but it's actually going
12881s	down to the wire I already call this
12882s	match for dakaris twice but it's six
12885s	percent three percent armor remaining
12886s	for Frederick to gross
12894s	[Applause]
12897s	he's already down into 63 structure
12901s	remaining can't he get this Ansel reload
12904s	often time that is what matters at the
12907s	end of the day 30 seconds remain in the
12909s	match 50 structure remaining and the
12912s	Armageddon Navy issue has clipped out he
12915s	is out of damage for the foreseeable
12918s	future and that will be the match
12922s	dracarus they had us worried there for a
12925s	little bit but they come out on top of
12927s	of essence 11 seconds remaining the
12930s	abattan will live Armageddon Navy issue
12932s	of bunny also going to live but that is
12935s	it for the last match of the day of
12937s	essence will be going into the lower
12940s	bracket and dracarus uh will be going on
12943s	to the main tournament we're gonna send
12945s	this to a quick break I'm gonna return
12946s	the desk we'll break down that match and
12948s	bring us right to the end of the day you
12950s	won't want to miss it see after this
12961s	two two
12971s	[Music]
12997s	[Music]
13003s	did it
13005s	[Music]
13012s	46 structure remaining was all that was
13016s	there between tricaris and of essence's
13019s	Victory or defeat uh fantastic match
13022s	really really awesome one to kind of end
13024s	the day at uh we got to see a redeemer
13027s	that's pretty cool we actually saw that
13029s	a decent amount last uh last year but
13031s	you know
13032s	mod what was the highlights of that
13034s	match for you
13035s	so the highlight of the match for me
13037s	personally was looking at uh cars being
13041s	able to take out uh the Thalia uh just
13044s	in time for them to also lose their low
13046s	end and once the Thalia was down karkin
13049s	bergerberg as Deacon went down had that
13052s	volley live just a little bit longer I
13054s	think that actually is what turns it in
13057s	favor of essence
13059s	um then you know later on we saw the
13062s	hardeners of that abandoned get shut off
13064s	actually which is why it was taking so
13066s	much damage in the very last seconds of
13068s	the fight
13069s	we did but we saw some awesome cargo
13071s	container drops I think right at the end
13073s	there the Batman was able to reload and
13076s	get the hardeners back on and start
13077s	repping a bit I don't know if that was
13079s	enough to save it I think it might have
13080s	lived anyways there but uh Mark like man
13084s	wild natch right yeah man wild it was so
13088s	close uh we were talking about it during
13091s	the during the fight in the back
13092s	channels it's just when you're in that
13094s	situation and you're you you have to
13096s	count rep Cycles you're counting
13097s	injector Cycles you're counting how long
13099s	you can keep your guns up how much cap
13101s	you have left like that I mean this is
13104s	the kind of stuff that like makes the
13106s	game feel like something that's not just
13107s	point-and-click spreadsheet simulator
13109s	you know what I mean like there's
13111s	nothing about this that is that is more
13113s	exciting I feel like than those moments
13115s	where you're down to the wire and you
13117s	have to like make a decision win or lose
13119s	like you have to do something and I
13123s	again I you know I was I was thrilled to
13125s	death to see my pick pull out but uh
13127s	both those teams play that very very
13129s	well
13130s	they did and uh neither team is out they
13132s	will actually be one of them is going
13134s	through to the actual tournament uh
13136s	which is fantastic for them uh obviously
13139s	the other one will have an attempt to
13141s	make it through uh tomorrow will be
13143s	quite a bit of elimination matches we
13144s	will be seeing many many returning faces
13146s	uh speaking of tomorrow we will be doing
13148s	this again at 1700 Eve times so same
13151s	time as today uh we'll be a little bit
13152s	more matches which is pretty cool and
13154s	exciting and more spaceship explosions
13156s	and we'll figure out who the last group
13158s	of people that are going to be making it
13159s	towards the official tournament which is
13163s	in August uh and those who are going to
13166s	be going home sad and alone in the cold
13169s	dejected reaches of space maybe even a
13171s	little dejected yes
13173s	um other than that though fantastic
13174s	matches from every team today we've had
13176s	some absolutely Wild Ones uh personally
13178s	I just love that we started the day off
13180s	with just really good matches back to
13182s	back to back mod were there any that you
13184s	saw today that you were like yeah this
13185s	is the one like go re-watch this
13188s	honest to God I think it was probably
13190s	the one we just ended it on
13192s	um this one is definitely like a height
13195s	match
13196s	um and the one we had you know prior to
13199s	where we saw a pandemic court against uh
13202s	only cows was probably one of the more
13204s	technical matches if you want to
13206s	understand how do I run an ECM comp go
13209s	back and watch hyderabads go back and
13210s	watch yesterday's match because that's
13213s	how you do it
13214s	all right what about you mark any any
13216s	standout matches today
13219s	I mean I you know
13221s	I'd say that I Echo mob's comments the
13223s	last two matches or the last couple
13224s	matches were just you know especially
13226s	this last match they haven't come down
13228s	to the wire like that was such a great
13229s	cast of commenters on that match uh it
13232s	is as good as you can hope for for you
13235s	know around a feeder tournament or a
13236s	round of feeder matches you know day
13238s	three you know this is this is this is
13241s	this is fun man I absolutely love it
13242s	when it comes down like that
13244s	perfect well uh this will be at the end
13247s	of our Stream So to say absolutely
13251s	massive thanks as usual to the all the
13253s	back-end people all of our fantastic
13255s	refs uh all the commentators all the
13257s	analysis is all the CCP people uh I
13259s	always love to do my big shout out to
13261s	General Stargazer specifically who is
13263s	now known as CCP zealous and does all of
13266s	the tournament rules and all the crazy
13268s	stuff that makes this happen uh big
13271s	shout out to CCP convict he's running
13272s	the overall twitch moderation and doing
13275s	all that fun and fantastic uh points so
13278s	he's the one that when you do
13279s	exclamation point refund that does
13281s	nothing for you so pretty great
13284s	um but he's the one that's getting the
13286s	streams or the Skins out and all that
13288s	great stuff uh thank you to the ISD
13289s	moderators for keeping twitch chat under
13291s	control because I know you guys like to
13293s	get a little bit wild in there every
13295s	once in a while uh obviously thanks to
13297s	even T and the staff members in there uh
13299s	thank you to Bay art J and disc because
13302s	you guys do so many amazing things for
13305s	us please stick around for the uh into
13308s	the stream we are going to be reading Oz
13310s	who is about to have a CCP guest on his
13313s	stream is going to be talking about them
13315s	it's going to be CCP psych who is the
13317s	director of the economy and the systems
13320s	for Eve online so I'm sure all of you
13322s	have so many so many valid and awesome
13324s	opinions about that and should
13326s	definitely go over there and watch to
13328s	hear all the exciting and interesting
13330s	things that are going to be said there
13331s	I'm in Blackboard pirate a temporary
13333s	host for today and we will see you all
13335s	tomorrow at 1700. have a good night

[2023] EVE Online | Alliance Tournament XIX - Feeders - Day 3

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