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| 26s | but there was seats up here yeah I |
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| 29s | see |
| 89s | I |
| 119s | h |
| 149s | oh |
| 179s | you |
| 245s | hello welcome all uh my name is CCV zope |
| 249s | uh senior audio programmer for Ev online |
| 252s | and welcome to this special audio |
| 254s | session uh today we'll be celebrating |
| 257s | the past and exploring the future of the |
| 258s | sound and music of Eve online by |
| 261s | chatting with those that have been |
| 262s | shaping the soundscapes of Eve for your |
| 264s | oil consumption over the past 20 years I |
| 267s | want to stress that this is not an open |
| 269s | Panel but as more of a moderated |
| 271s | discussion think of it as a talk show of |
| 274s | sorts I will be your host for this |
| 276s | session and have prepared a set of |
| 278s | questions uh for our guests and as with |
| 281s | all good talk shows there will also be a |
| 283s | musical performance at the |
| 285s | end um over its 20e history the audio |
| 289s | experiences in Eve and its underlying |
| 291s | audio systems have grown along with the |
| 293s | game what began first as just simply |
| 295s | triggering a few sounds for important |
| 297s | events grew into full-blown ambient |
| 299s | sounds capes worthy of their own place |
| 301s | in ambient music |
| 303s | history amazingly over 20 years less |
| 306s | than 10 individuals have put their |
| 308s | direct artistic imprint onto the sound |
| 310s | of Eve in this session I want to honor |
| 314s | those that have been integral to shaping |
| 315s | the soundscapes of Eve through |
| 317s | conversations because I personally find |
| 319s | their stories and insights to be |
| 322s | inspiring um let's bring on our first |
| 325s | two guests CCP old boy and CCP Christian |
| 338s | so CCP old boy has been shaping the |
| 340s | sounds of Eve for 15 years now this is |
| 342s | old boy hello and he plays a huge part |
| 346s | in giving soul to Eve uh he's a |
| 348s | generator of Abyssal Harmony and emplo |
| 351s | he employs a lot of analog synthesis to |
| 353s | create Rich atmospheres sound effects |
| 355s | and musical scores uh CCP Christian |
| 359s | hello has been involved with Eve for |
| 362s | about 10 years now he is currently the |
| 364s | main composer for Eve online and is a |
| 366s | maestro of vertical Supremacy his |
| 369s | compositions and sound design can be |
| 371s | found in the tutorial the uprising |
| 373s | release Travian space and the upcoming |
| 376s | Havoc release just to name a few uh |
| 380s | these two here are the current and only |
| 382s | sound designers for Ev on line and they |
| 384s | produce an extraordinary amount of |
| 386s | content for E online everything you hear |
| 388s | in the game produced by these |
| 391s | individuals so |
| 394s | welcome thank you thank you |
| 397s | Eric thank you so much um first question |
| 401s | is for CCP old boy uh how did you first |
| 404s | get involved with |
| 406s | Eve um so before I uh continue uh I want |
| 410s | to correct one thing uh sure we do all |
| 412s | the sound but we have outside help from |
| 415s | time to time just to get another uh |
| 417s | perspective and also just good point uh |
| 420s | we don't have time for everything all |
| 421s | the time but yeah like 95% we do so |
| 425s | you're |
| 426s | correct so um yeah I uh so that's 15 |
| 431s | years ago uh last May I think that I |
| 435s | started uh joined CCP yeah you just hit |
| 438s | your 15 year anniversary right uh yeah |
| 440s | so I had been um so my background is uh |
| 444s | audio uh music and stuff like that uh |
| 448s | I've uh worked in the radio |
| 450s | uh you know recording just general |
| 453s | engineering for many |
| 455s | years uh and my education as well and at |
| 458s | the time I I tried joining CCP was a |
| 462s | time when I was not doing any of that I |
| 464s | was doing I was selling switches and |
| 466s | routers and stuff like that so I was |
| 469s | like uh yeah I want to go back and so I |
| 472s | I knew a couple of people at CCP at the |
| 474s | time I worked with them uh in the '90s |
| 477s | trying to do virtual uh real reality |
| 480s | things uh so I just called them up and |
| 483s | they at the time they were |
| 485s | actually uh they just happen to be uh |
| 489s | considering uh putting more energy into |
| 491s | audio so it was good timing I guess but |
| 493s | then how did you actually get the gig |
| 494s | did you give them a like an album like |
| 499s | um or is just I I don't remember exactly |
| 503s | how it was I just I just uh got the job |
| 507s | somehow just magically got it |
| 511s | I yeah they knew me and knew what I had |
| 515s | done and and and things so it was not |
| 517s | like I didn't have to prove myself too |
| 520s | much I think for some reason who who are |
| 524s | your main influences then when it comes |
| 526s | to music and sound design um uh I think |
| 530s | uh there are I mean I I think there are |
| 532s | four people uh doing art and and Tech |
| 535s | like this a mixture there's a lot of |
| 537s | influence that they don't realize uh |
| 540s | that are influencing you but um just |
| 543s | everyday things and and people around |
| 544s | you but I can say that what comes to |
| 549s | mind as far |
| 550s | as um games go uh it probably be when I |
| 556s | was playing |
| 557s | thief and never went to |
| 560s | Knights they don't have anything to do |
| 562s | with scii I know that kind of well no I |
| 566s | does a little bit uh but it's |
| 570s | the they're so uh atmospheric they're so |
| 573s | they're so good so at least thief and |
| 576s | yeah I guess the other one as well and |
| 578s | so yeah I know they're very different |
| 580s | from Eve but it was an inspiration for |
| 582s | some reason uh and there's there's and |
| 585s | maybe the biggest influence is uh movies |
| 588s | I think I think most uh from what I know |
| 591s | of you that makes yeah and and I I think |
| 594s | that uh for most uh you know game uh you |
| 600s | know companies that are making games |
| 602s | that are they look at movies a lot uh |
| 605s | not just games and For Me Maybe well not |
| 608s | maybe definitely Blade Runner uh the |
| 611s | original 82 uh movie and then stalker |
| 615s | the the tari yeah movie um um these are |
| 621s | the two ones but I mean there are many |
| 622s | more and and there are so many that are |
| 625s | influencing you that you just don't |
| 626s | realize |
| 628s | it yeah um I want to include u c |
| 631s | Christian here now um you originally |
| 633s | brought him on to work with Eve um how |
| 637s | did you two meet so we met at a |
| 639s | conservatory here in Iceland we were |
| 641s | doing um I was doing my masters in music |
| 645s | at an old age and I met Christian there |
| 648s | we had the same uh you know professor |
| 650s | and we met there this was |
| 653s | in |
| 655s | 2013 13 or something like that is that |
| 658s | right was it earlier no no no no no no |
| 661s | 10 yeah 2010 yeah many years ago yeah |
| 665s | yeah yeah we met then so we we started |
| 668s | you know so you better have been |
| 670s | conservatory and then you guys what |
| 672s | started talking about music like how did |
| 675s | this even there was something with uh I |
| 679s | was doing like a my final piece was |
| 681s | being shown and you were there but I |
| 682s | think I was there yes but I think we we |
| 685s | we met before that because I think I was |
| 687s | I contacted you because I was really |
| 689s | interested in science fiction |
| 692s | music uh and I was studying this you |
| 696s | know music from The Shining standing |
| 699s | kubri and and the 2001 Space Odyssey |
| 703s | this kind of music that is very static |
| 705s | and I was super interested in how is |
| 707s | this and you know how could this relate |
| 709s | to an interactive music context and I |
| 711s | contacted Balter at CCP because I heard |
| 714s | of this you know um uh just crazy guy |
| 719s | had to meet at CCP and I yeah and yeah |
| 723s | yeah it was great ideas and and at the |
| 725s | same time I was actually thinking about |
| 728s | how we |
| 729s | could how you know what would be the |
| 733s | best solution for audio and and |
| 735s | especially music in a in in a story like |
| 739s | in a story that hadn't happened yet |
| 742s | because we in a soundbox and the story |
| 744s | hasn't happened what should the music be |
| 746s | and I had you know I was really I I |
| 749s | remember we had conversations about |
| 751s | these things yeah and then Christian you |
| 753s | did your |
| 755s | PhD uh kind of About Eve correct yeah I |
| 760s | did it I mean I did a PhD which was |
| 762s | about interactive music in a um multiv |
| 766s | massive multi what is it you know like |
| 768s | an massiv multi |
| 770s | onl and um uh situated in outer space |
| 775s | you know in the future and which is |
| 778s | basically I |
| 780s | um I was very much angled towards EV on |
| 783s | line I thought it was a super cool you |
| 786s | know kind of and it's like 400 Pages |
| 788s | I've I've only read half of it what's it |
| 791s | called what's it called again it's |
| 792s | called Uh a wormhole uh it's called a |
| 795s | musical Wormhole musical Wormhole and if |
| 798s | if you were here last year he he uh you |
| 800s | you you covered a lot of the the yeah I |
| 803s | went through the yeah the the uh the |
| 805s | nerdy academic side of that whole thing |
| 808s | yeah |
| 810s | um yeah and what what instruments were |
| 813s | you playing before you were like |
| 815s | starting to do |
| 816s | composition I came from rock music |
| 819s | really I didn't like kind of I was like |
| 821s | in high school I was just no rock music |
| 822s | that's the you know that's the stuff and |
| 825s | uh and some classical music as well but |
| 829s | um I played the guitar and some drums |
| 832s | and and stuff like this and then I just |
| 834s | later got into synthesizers and all that |
| 838s | electronic stuff you can you can do with |
| 842s | that um so yeah and I just want to point |
| 845s | out like uh you guys the way you work |
| 847s | together uh it's it's like an |
| 850s | unspoken Bond and and your the music you |
| 853s | make really compliments the spaces you |
| 855s | make and vice versa what why do you |
| 858s | think where does that even come from you |
| 860s | just do you even do you talk about what |
| 862s | you're going to do beforehand or or does |
| 864s | it just flow I would say it |
| 867s | flows um |
| 870s | so it's like trying to explain art it's |
| 874s | so difficult it's not possible really |
| 877s | explain it I think you can try but it's |
| 881s | difficult so it's yeah it's an |
| 884s | understanding um it wouldn't matter what |
| 887s | Christian would do it probably would |
| 889s | work but I I can have a you know I I can |
| 891s | tell him yeah but should It Go shouldn't |
| 894s | it go this way instead of that way he |
| 896s | probably he probably would agree because |
| 898s | we always agree on well not always but |
| 902s | you know usually we agree on things so |
| 906s | it's it's uh it's um you know we have a |
| 908s | nice understanding and he he is he is uh |
| 913s | uh not afraid of telling me something |
| 915s | that he doesn't like so you have to be |
| 917s | really able to be honest yeah yeah yeah |
| 919s | absolutely absolutely definitely it's |
| 921s | very important I um I think we're going |
| 925s | to move on to our next gu uh so there |
| 928s | have been like I said earlier there's |
| 929s | been less than 10 individuals that have |
| 931s | directly put their artistic imprint on |
| 933s | EVE Online um of these individuals |
| 936s | there's only one person that has filled |
| 937s | all three of these roles of sound |
| 939s | designer composer and audio programmer |
| 942s | so I'd like to welcome to the stage uh |
| 944s | CCP |
| 945s | realx uh the original creator of the |
| 949s | music in even |
| 958s | line |
| 961s | hello hello welcome how does it feel to |
| 963s | be |
| 965s | here myth FanFest |
| 969s | yes with quite a break in between though |
| 972s | obviously yeah it's been a while soon |
| 973s | for here last um so you you were here |
| 976s | from the beginning of Eve online like |
| 978s | from its Inception |
| 980s | correct uh no but uh the whole time it |
| 984s | was in full production from the year |
| 986s | 2000 yes until 2017 so you joined in |
| 990s | 2000 then yes early 2000 and what what |
| 994s | Drew you to CCP in the in in the in that |
| 996s | in the olden times like what Drew you to |
| 1000s | CCP uh nothing drew me to CCP it was uh |
| 1003s | just a happen stance like everything in |
| 1005s | my |
| 1007s | life so you feel like your life is a a |
| 1009s | series of I have no control over |
| 1011s | anything that |
| 1013s | happens what what was what was CCP like |
| 1015s | in |
| 1016s | 2000 what was it like to work for CCP |
| 1019s | back then I mean it was basically just a |
| 1024s | family of young people how many |
| 1026s | employees were there do you know I was |
| 1028s | employed about 20 or 21 maybe wow so for |
| 1032s | the most of like between 2000 and then |
| 1037s | when we published the game in 2003 we |
| 1040s | were roughly from 30 from the most of |
| 1043s | the time but we scaled up to like |
| 1046s | 50 towards the launch if I remember |
| 1049s | correctly don't quote me we will quote |
| 1052s | you don't worry about |
| 1053s | it um and so how how did you actually |
| 1059s | start working at CP though okay so uh I |
| 1062s | was just in school you know I was |
| 1065s | young uh and I was just |
| 1067s | like it's in Iceland it's called FAL |
| 1071s | what comes before University so yeah and |
| 1074s | I was doing this Advanced programming |
| 1076s | course and the teacher there is like ah |
| 1078s | let's do like a trip my son just founded |
| 1081s | a company so we went and visited CCP and |
| 1085s | they were just like giving us the tour |
| 1087s | and they were like oh yeah in this room |
| 1089s | there going to be the the sound guy and |
| 1091s | I was like oh yeah who who's your sound |
| 1093s | guy he's like uh we're currently looking |
| 1097s | for one and then and then you app I I |
| 1101s | applied wow that's awesome and |
| 1105s | um so you you began um the music |
| 1110s | originally or you were also doing the |
| 1112s | sound design so uh the so yeah it it |
| 1117s | went like a little bit like this so I uh |
| 1120s | I applied to music and you know back in |
| 1125s | for the people who are old enough to |
| 1126s | remember mp3.com I had I had like an a |
| 1130s | stuff there and so I gave them my stuff |
| 1132s | there and so they liked it and they |
| 1134s | called me in for an interview and then |
| 1136s | like in interview number three they're |
| 1138s | like pretty confident that I was going |
| 1140s | to get hired and they like uh you do |
| 1144s | programming I was like yeah I do |
| 1148s | programming I you know I I I I did some |
| 1151s | light scripting as a kid you know yeah |
| 1153s | but in in like the 286 in basic right so |
| 1157s | I was very confident and I was like oh |
| 1158s | you can do the sound effects as well I |
| 1159s | was like sure I guess but I I couldn't |
| 1163s | really do either of those things well |
| 1166s | apparently you |
| 1167s | can well I mean there's a whole audience |
| 1170s | here that knows your music so yeah yeah |
| 1172s | I was confident in the music part but |
| 1174s | not maybe so much the programming part |
| 1176s | or the sound |
| 1177s | effect I mean it played in the game |
| 1179s | didn't |
| 1180s | it yeah yeah |
| 1184s | success I did all the original weapon |
| 1186s | sounds that everybody |
| 1188s | hated you did all the original weapon |
| 1190s | sound and everyone hated weapon sounds |
| 1191s | yeah the weapon sounds how how did how |
| 1195s | did you know that people hated that at |
| 1196s | the |
| 1197s | time uh have you heard of thing called |
| 1200s | forums yes I |
| 1202s | have we still have |
| 1204s | them |
| 1205s | um and what what what are your main so |
| 1208s | you you were focused mainly on music |
| 1210s | what what are your main musical |
| 1211s | influences then like I'm just a true kid |
| 1214s | of the '90s it's like I fell in love |
| 1217s | with electronic music I had like a |
| 1219s | religious experience when I got to like |
| 1223s | I like what AG 13 14 I went into like U |
| 1227s | my first what's it call like a like a |
| 1231s | dance in scho school dance you know yeah |
| 1233s | yeah and went into this black room and |
| 1236s | pro Charlie prodigies Charlie was |
| 1238s | playing strobe lights black lights |
| 1242s | lasers and I was like oh what's |
| 1245s | happening so it's Prodigy that got you |
| 1247s | into electronic music definitely |
| 1250s | wow got got a prodigy fan in the |
| 1253s | audience um and back then like when Eve |
| 1257s | first came out did you need |
| 1259s | what was the hardware like did you have |
| 1261s | to have an external sound card |
| 1263s | or uh most definitely yeah yeah I mean |
| 1267s | so back in 2000 uh yeah like I said I |
| 1270s | was just a kid I didn't know |
| 1272s | anything but CCP like B was saying there |
| 1275s | was an other company the CCP was funded |
| 1277s | out of what called o which is like a |
| 1279s | studio that b ran and uh uh they got |
| 1284s | that guy to suggest what gear to buy and |
| 1287s | they bought a lot of gear for me |
| 1289s | yeah and I was like I don't like this |
| 1292s | gear so I just bought in my own gear |
| 1293s | because i' had been making music for |
| 1295s | like 7 eight years at that point and uh |
| 1299s | and So speaking of gear so we have the |
| 1303s | original synthesizer that he used to |
| 1304s | make uh below the asteroids well yeah |
| 1307s | definitely and Stellar shadows and all |
| 1309s | the original all the original tracks |
| 1311s | were written on this silver thing over |
| 1313s | there and what so you said that they |
| 1315s | bought you a bunch of gear but you |
| 1317s | didn't like it and I I didn't know how |
| 1319s | to use it you know I I was more |
| 1322s | comfortable with my own stuff so I like |
| 1325s | this really expensive they bought this |
| 1327s | like like a 90 sampler called an emu |
| 1331s | like emac sampler and was like really |
| 1334s | the thing back in the you know late '90s |
| 1337s | but I just it was left on a shelf for |
| 1339s | like years and then you produced how |
| 1342s | much of the music of even online is |
| 1344s | produced with this |
| 1345s | synthesizer in percentage Yeah Yeah show |
| 1349s | roughly yeah I don't |
| 1351s | know like from Eve that came out in 2003 |
| 1356s | I think it was like 90% the synthesizer |
| 1359s | really yeah 90% wow yeah so that's what |
| 1362s | gives it that |
| 1363s | distinct sound yeah yeah yeah and I mean |
| 1366s | it's not an in like today this is |
| 1368s | considered like a piece of crap this is |
| 1370s | a digital |
| 1372s | wrong is just like you know well I mean |
| 1375s | you can see so you produced tons of the |
| 1379s | music we even aligned just with this |
| 1380s | yeah and then we have all the gear over |
| 1383s | here which comes from both old boy and |
| 1386s | Christian |
| 1389s | so why is it so I'm going to open this |
| 1391s | up to everyone what what's changed why |
| 1394s | why is it so complex now why why why |
| 1396s | could you get away with using just the |
| 1397s | Triton in the past and now you have to |
| 1401s | have all this well it's kind of weird |
| 1403s | right because this is actually in a way |
| 1404s | some of it more oldfashioned than than |
| 1406s | this yeah so it |
| 1408s | it just had like those that analog stuff |
| 1411s | had a Revival at some point cuz it |
| 1413s | sounds in a certain way and |
| 1416s | uh yeah you you you just are the |
| 1420s | expectations higher or like I think it's |
| 1425s | um so today you like you have more of |
| 1428s | everything you know not just this but |
| 1431s | just more of everything more channels to |
| 1434s | pick from on the TV you know more food |
| 1438s | more More Everything more gear you know |
| 1441s | more options it's also that I think I |
| 1444s | mean it's also uh you know soft syns and |
| 1447s | stuff that you use in your computer are |
| 1449s | so good now that you could almost just |
| 1451s | skip all this but it's not as it's it's |
| 1454s | different uh you know working with it |
| 1457s | this is more Hands-On you know the this |
| 1460s | old syn doesn't have as much hands on as |
| 1463s | these uh do so it's also that uh and |
| 1468s | you change as a you know an artist that |
| 1471s | you want to work with you know the |
| 1473s | buttons and they're all on top of the |
| 1474s | sense instead of this but I we could |
| 1478s | probably make do with something like |
| 1479s | this and if we had to defitely and and |
| 1483s | and towards the end I had like when I |
| 1486s | quit CCP I had turt I didn't use this |
| 1489s | this one at all I had my own you know |
| 1492s | of similar setup as we do now so because |
| 1496s | like you couldn't like like they didn't |
| 1499s | make a lot of anlock synthesisers back |
| 1502s | in the uh the late ' 90s or early |
| 1505s | 2000s I didn't and they well they they |
| 1508s | made them like back in the like the 70s |
| 1511s | yeah and then the ' 80s and they became |
| 1513s | digital with the DX7 and then and then |
| 1516s | it ended up with the rompler which is |
| 1518s | like a big for a while like the |
| 1519s | workstation type yeah but then |
| 1521s | everything has gone back to the but what |
| 1523s | I was always doing you were always |
| 1525s | emulating analog synthesizes with the |
| 1529s | the um actually this would be a perfect |
| 1531s | opportunity um you've prepared a little |
| 1533s | bit of a |
| 1534s | demo or would could could you demo the |
| 1538s | the Triton a little bit for us I |
| 1540s | probably play something that somebody |
| 1542s | remembers you want to turn it around you |
| 1544s | want to go |
| 1553s | sideways yeah there's there's seats down |
| 1555s | uh okay there's only one seat never mind |
| 1568s | anybody |
| 1571s | no |
| 1577s | okay just a bunch of the tracks was |
| 1579s | ridden with |
| 1587s | this |
| 1591s | and yeah and you said that there was a |
| 1593s | certain key that you used |
| 1596s | right yeah I wrote as you see I'm I'm |
| 1599s | not classically trained like these two |
| 1601s | guys I don't have any formal training so |
| 1604s | uh I just learned one chord it's C minor |
| 1608s | and I just did all the eve music in c |
| 1611s | minor I mean it's fine fine |
| 1614s | cord got pretty far with |
| 1617s | it well |
| 1632s | obviously yep so many |
| 1647s | stuff |
| 1650s | do you have the Stella Shadows uh sound |
| 1655s | somewhere there hundreds of s here so |
| 1657s | Stellar Shadows that's the very first |
| 1659s | track that was ever um first login track |
| 1662s | right first login track yeah |
| 1665s | yeah that's it's called something |
| 1668s | something R and so this has all the |
| 1670s | presets that you still used back then |
| 1672s | well I I actually had this Dogma rule I |
| 1676s | would never use presets oh I always |
| 1679s | created all the sounds from like from |
| 1683s | scratch I the first thing I did when I |
| 1684s | bought the synthesizer I made a a in it |
| 1688s | sound initialization sound was just like |
| 1690s | a square wave no saw wave with nothing |
| 1693s | else |
| 1694s | so handmade handcrafted with |
| 1698s | love wait so you would just have to |
| 1700s | reprogram that every time |
| 1703s | yeah and I I mean I spent days just |
| 1707s | making sounds like no music just ah this |
| 1711s | is a nice patch safe go home you |
| 1714s | know |
| 1716s | wow that's how he made music I I'm I'm |
| 1719s | I'm lazy man |
| 1725s | yeah and then we have this one I think |
| 1728s | this is the Stella Shad |
| 1730s | one yeah there we |
| 1736s | go |
| 1763s | awesome thank you so much thank you that |
| 1765s | was really fun to |
| 1766s | hear |
| 1776s | um so I'm going to switch it up a little |
| 1778s | bit right |
| 1779s | now and we're going to play a little |
| 1781s | game of uh name |
| 1786s | that can't look at the screen |
| 1789s | now so I'm going to play a few |
| 1792s | sounds from like a long time ago I I I |
| 1795s | went pillaging through our old uh |
| 1798s | wise projects and and found some old |
| 1800s | sounds that I I think might be iconic |
| 1803s | and I want to see if if any of you |
| 1805s | recognize them and if they don't then |
| 1807s | we'll open it |
| 1808s | up here's the first |
| 1815s | one I definitely know what this is you |
| 1817s | do I definitely |
| 1820s | don't this was when you deleted a |
| 1822s | character no what unless it also was |
| 1827s | there pretty |
| 1829s | sure I'll trust you more than me on that |
| 1833s | one I found it under the name capsule |
| 1835s | destroy so |
| 1837s | I and I I I found a bunch of uh um |
| 1842s | entries on the |
| 1843s | Forum uh where everyone is asking for |
| 1846s | crunchy sound back so I thought it was I |
| 1849s | thought it was this one I don't know |
| 1851s | maybe you guys do you recognize this |
| 1852s | anyone it's pod kill pod kill that's it |
| 1856s | but you also use it for huh no no I I'm |
| 1859s | probably mistaken one for the audience |
| 1863s | yes what about this |
| 1868s | one yeah uh it's one of the hangers the |
| 1873s | Amar hanger if I remember |
| 1875s | correctly yeah they had some uh you are |
| 1877s | correct when I joined they had some um |
| 1881s | like a |
| 1882s | Catholic kind of thing Gregorian chance |
| 1885s | Gregorian chance and was ready yeah it |
| 1888s | was an |
| 1889s | Amar but was it like this I think I have |
| 1893s | heard this before was like it was found |
| 1896s | yeah when when was this like when is |
| 1898s | this 2009 is what I |
| 1901s | found and yeah I could tell it yeah this |
| 1904s | is old from 2003 release oh it goes that |
| 1907s | far back |
| 1908s | okay uh let's do one |
| 1912s | more let's see |
| 1916s | here |
| 1923s | PTSD for |
| 1924s | anyone should we do it over and over |
| 1927s | so we can do it many times for you you |
| 1930s | know you like it so explain what what is |
| 1933s | this uh this is the famous |
| 1937s | gong |
| 1939s | what how many in in this audience |
| 1941s | actually remember this sound and |
| 1943s | remember this there's only there's only |
| 1946s | one there's only one one two |
| 1950s | three cocky remembers cocki uh came into |
| 1954s | my office and he was really bter |
| 1959s | um um sort of uh there's a |
| 1964s | sound uh people don't seem to |
| 1970s | like and I totally agreed with him but |
| 1973s | the thing is though then though that the |
| 1975s | uh the graphics that went with it I mean |
| 1977s | I I just thought the uh the sound was a |
| 1981s | good fit for the |
| 1984s | graphic uh but it just to show that |
| 1989s | how difficult it is to you can't escape |
| 1993s | the the sound you just always hear it |
| 1995s | you can't close your eyes so it's so |
| 1997s | difficult to uh you know uh ignore you |
| 2000s | know you can ignore the graphics a |
| 2003s | little bit it's just a tiny dot on the |
| 2005s | screen or but uh is different with with |
| 2008s | the uh the with the sound so yeah it's a |
| 2012s | it's a terrible sound to hear like um 10 |
| 2015s | times in 10 seconds yeah so for those |
| 2018s | who don't know this is kind of like the |
| 2019s | Red Dot debacle but for audio and this |
| 2023s | used to play every time that you would |
| 2025s | uh |
| 2026s | kill uh a ship but sometimes you would |
| 2028s | kill a lot so it just go like ding ding |
| 2030s | you had like rats lined up and you |
| 2033s | killed like 10 in 10 seconds it's a lot |
| 2037s | to take in so thanks for that's a Kong |
| 2040s | that's a Kong yeah thanks for playing |
| 2042s | name that |
| 2043s | sound um we're goingon to we're going to |
| 2046s | end the we're going to end the the talk |
| 2048s | show before the musical number with with |
| 2051s | a smarty pants kind of question we're |
| 2053s | gonna go |
| 2054s | deep um so Brian Eno which uh he's a |
| 2060s | seminal ambient and electronic composer |
| 2063s | um he wrote in the liner notes of his |
| 2064s | album ambient one music for airports |
| 2067s | that's the name the album um he wrote |
| 2069s | that he composed his ambient music to uh |
| 2072s | accommodate quote accommodate many |
| 2074s | levels of listening attention without |
| 2077s | enforcing one in particular it must be |
| 2080s | as ignorable as it is interesting end |
| 2083s | quote um do you feel like this is an |
| 2086s | ethos that pervades the sound design and |
| 2089s | music of Eve and if so |
| 2093s | how in the beginning especially for me I |
| 2096s | would say that that I intentionally try |
| 2099s | to make music uh that nobody would |
| 2103s | notice so like I would avoid using |
| 2106s | frequencies that are close to what is |
| 2108s | called the the human voice range because |
| 2112s | it would it would grab your attention if |
| 2114s | you think there something is a voice |
| 2116s | like a human voice or like a child's |
| 2119s | cry people would gravitate towards it |
| 2122s | like what's happening but if you like if |
| 2125s | even just EQ the the frequencies just |
| 2128s | out of your sounds yeah wow so my my my |
| 2132s | goal was just to to |
| 2135s | support uh the experience right because |
| 2140s | it was like in my mind at least it was |
| 2142s | like this |
| 2144s | very at the beginning at least a dark uh |
| 2148s | lonely place not a lot of people and uh |
| 2153s | so I wanted to emphasize that with the |
| 2156s | with the music without like drawing the |
| 2160s | players attention to like I'm listening |
| 2162s | to music yeah so you you did you did try |
| 2166s | and make it as absolutely absolutely as |
| 2168s | it is interesting and yeah and I think |
| 2170s | uh I agree uh I don't think uh in the |
| 2175s | same way maybe Adon describes but I |
| 2177s | definitely uh act in the same way uh we |
| 2182s | and then Christian I believe was well |
| 2184s | we're not trying to well we we're we're |
| 2186s | trying not to draw attention to the |
| 2189s | music so what methods do you use like he |
| 2192s | he's he's um trying to stay away from |
| 2194s | those human uh frequencies are there |
| 2197s | methods that you use to try and achieve |
| 2200s | this uh yeah yeah it's very much up the |
| 2203s | same kind of uh the same thoughts in a |
| 2206s | way to try and and stay in the |
| 2208s | background and and support what's |
| 2211s | happening um and then |
| 2215s | uh I'm doing it a lot of time for for |
| 2218s | Eve by kind of vacuum cleaning out a lot |
| 2221s | of the musical structures that will take |
| 2223s | your |
| 2224s | attention so try and uh not have too |
| 2228s | obvious beats always unless you want |
| 2230s | some kind of forward movement feeling |
| 2233s | but for me I was also trying to uh I was |
| 2237s | very interested in sort of the Infinite |
| 2239s | Space MH the setting of the game and try |
| 2243s | and give that some voice in the in the |
| 2248s | uh in the game so I think this is a good |
| 2251s | time to point out that the the musical |
| 2253s | styles of both of you are are ambient |
| 2256s | technically but quite different yeah |
| 2259s | yeah um which kind of yeah how would you |
| 2261s | explain your style uh naive pop naive |
| 2266s | pop compared to the the musical Geniuses |
| 2271s | yes and then and then so now it's |
| 2274s | expanding so we have naive pop that's |
| 2276s | your I'm not saying that that's your |
| 2278s | quote and then so where is Eve going to |
| 2281s | now |
| 2283s | musically we've been talking about hip |
| 2285s | hop a lot oh yeah yeah I always wanted |
| 2288s | to |
| 2289s | rap I always wanted to rap yeah it's |
| 2292s | because B wants to rap and he also wants |
| 2294s | to play bass as well yeah I want to play |
| 2295s | bass and say yeah so uh you heard it |
| 2298s | here first next track next next login |
| 2302s | track is going to be hip-hop don't worry |
| 2303s | about |
| 2304s | it well we want to make it more and more |
| 2307s | interactive for sure so uh yeah that's |
| 2310s | that's one one thing that that we're |
| 2312s | working on trying to get it to react |
| 2314s | more and more to gaml yeah and help uh |
| 2317s | the player feel uh what's out there |
| 2320s | what's what's what out there in the |
| 2322s | darkness grab him even more you know so |
| 2325s | you want to attract more to the game |
| 2327s | yeah you know I mean we want don't want |
| 2329s | to uh attract you know too much |
| 2332s | attention to the music but we want to |
| 2334s | use the music to help um make the game a |
| 2337s | better game you know right so that's |
| 2341s | just the the goal um I |
| 2344s | think that's all we have time for do you |
| 2347s | have something else you like yeah I just |
| 2348s | wanted to add on top of that like that |
| 2351s | wasn't the possibility back in 20 2000 |
| 2354s | you know we we just had pre-recorded |
| 2356s | tracks right but so much fun things can |
| 2359s | be done now well and there's definitely |
| 2361s | preference for this I mean a lot of our |
| 2363s | old players really really like your |
| 2365s | tracks and they want to continue to |
| 2366s | listen to those on top of Eve and and a |
| 2370s | lot of players also use just what's |
| 2372s | there which would be your tracks and |
| 2375s | yours as well um I just want to thank |
| 2378s | you so much CCP realx for coming here it |
| 2381s | was really really awesome I'm I'm more |
| 2384s | than I'm incredibly honored to continue |
| 2386s | working on what you started and uh let's |
| 2390s | give it up for |
| 2395s | him |
| 2405s | and uh now we'll uh have the musical act |
| 2408s | the musical portion of this which will |
| 2410s | be done by well us |
| 2413s | so |
| 2425s | enjoy |
| 2485s | for |
| 2515s | for |
| 2545s | St |
| 2575s | we |
| 2605s | la |
| 2635s | oh |
| 2665s | BL |
| 2725s | what |
| 2755s | Ro |
| 2778s | thank you for |
| 2785s | coming |