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Ok let me preface this. I don’t care if you like the blackout, I have enjoyed it up until recently, where it’s simply become a nuisance. I’ve played since 2003 and nullsec always had a local, and was always about empire building. CCP null well enough alone outside of sov changes (which could have fixed so much had they actually tried). Essentially, at the moment, null is about cloaked ships roaming to find easy ganks. This has lead to a few good fights but back in the hayday of Eve, the amount of fights going on pales in comparison. Blackout is not a solution, it’s simply not. When is it going to end so we can move on from a hyperbolic topic that will not fix a single aspect of Eve?

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over 5 years ago - /u/CCP_Falcon - Direct link

We said in the initial communication that we wouldn't be giving a duration for the blackout.

We'll end it when we've collected enough data, until then it'll remain in place.

It's my fond hope that at some point after the test it's reintroduced and becomes permanent, and that we eventually extend changes to local into lowsec too, in some shape or form.

over 5 years ago - /u/CCP_Falcon - Direct link

Originally posted by LuluHottum

Hey Falcon, any chance we ever see those changes you mentioned to capital ships? I for one agree capitals have no place in ganking small ships and ratting...

They were just my opinions mate, I'm not a game designer :)

over 5 years ago - /u/CCP_Falcon - Direct link

Originally posted by AneuAng

Your data collection is already flawed, with the fact you've introduced so many programs in order to get people to login/kill NPCs and so on, during the blackout. How can that be a good data sample? It's ridiculous, on top of the fact your boss stated that its clear from people swapping to a 64bit client, means they are not risk adverse, what kind of logic is it your are using in your office?

Let me make this plain and simple for you, outside of the echo-chamber that is reddit, which you seem to use as your brain-storming saloon, the blackout is a massive flop. It does not fix the massive issues facing Eve. It does not fix the cyno-mechanics, it does not fix the capital proliferation, it does not fix the terrible sov system in place. Adding more chaos to these already terrible mechanics is not going to fix anything. The game is already one of the hardest MMOs to get into online, adding chaos, making it even more punishing is going to push people away from the game. This is not the way to fix things. Creating incentives to fight, reasons for big player-empires to attack one another, less restrictive and time consuming sov-mechanics, flash points, catalysts for wars. These are things that bring players, as exemplified by multiple data-sources of massive wars in eve.

You are killing your own game, even if the people who want easy kills on reddit are laying down at your feat, praising your every move, the data simply shows that blackout is killing nullsec, which is meant to be a player-generated area of the game, untouched by CCP, outside of structural changes to mechanics. The trajectory of online players is going down. Making the game harder wont change that.

It's not like we have the ability to filter data or anything, right?

over 5 years ago - /u/CCP_Falcon - Direct link

Originally posted by realmz2012

Happy i quit EVE with the Blackout now just waiting for WoW Classic

ngl, probably gonna give WoW classic a go myself :)

over 5 years ago - /u/CCP_Falcon - Direct link

Originally posted by StainGuy

Ok i think i see what make people confused :

The initial article was named:
https://www.eveonline.com/article/pu69gy/nullsec-local-blackout-incoming-during-july

Nullsec Local Blackout Incoming During July!

English is not my primary language - obviously - but you can say the same for many eve players.

I just checked and i understand this eg like this :

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=during+meaning

during
preposition: during

throughout the course or duration of (a period of time).

So more or less the title of your article is saying.

Nullsec Local Blackout Incoming During for the duration of July!

I am not the only person that read it/understand it this way.
But as i spend a way to much time on reading/podcasts i know that it is not going away - but i constantly hear from people "we need to wait till the end of the month".

Additional information clearing this up for non EN speaking people in launcher will not hurt any one.
I know that many people are waiting for its to end "with the end of month" as i constantly get people on various comms coming and asking "what is happening as i am playing other games atm and waiting"

Oh god, you brought out actual dictionary references.

Jesus Christ.

over 5 years ago - /u/CCP_Falcon - Direct link

Originally posted by StainGuy

Well trying to be honest here.
English is not my primary language. I read the title ... and my first impression is - it is till the end of the month.
I read the content, trying to not skip details ... ok it is not only for a month.

apparently many people skipped some parts in the content

Like trying to be actually accurate with my assumptions here and showing where and why people can get wrong impression on the length.

Literally yesterday guy jumped on the TS we use and asked what changed as he was not logging in since the blackout started ... and it was meant to end tomorrow.

Dude, I'm just messing with you <3

We said in the same article that the length of the blackout wasn't specified though, so there's plenty of time for it to continue.

over 5 years ago - /u/CCP_Falcon - Direct link

Originally posted by AneuAng

Considering past experience with CCP data gathering, you expect a player from 2003 to trust you on this?

I am a player from 2003. Well, 2002 technically.

Your point?

over 5 years ago - /u/CCP_Falcon - Direct link

Originally posted by AneuAng

That there are plentiful examples of why CCP say one thing and do another. How changes CCP make do not have the desired outcome and how CCP favour certain groups of players over others, need I bring up bob and T20?

Point is here, you come out with your soundbyte of wanting blackout to be permanent because you know it plays well with Reddit. It’s your job, you are a community manager. Your job is to make what flows down from above you palatable for players, but what I am seeing in addition to this is a pandering to a specific type of player that has caused CCP massive issues before. Maybe you don’t care anymore? Maybe you know the trajectory of the game is down from here?

Eve is a microcosm of hundreds of different play styles that CCP used to know was the strength of Eve, you’ve turned it into a bitter and twisted rage fest where people are even more vile to one another than I have ever seen before. I hope you are not proud of this, and I hope you realise that pandering to one group will simply accelerate the decline of this game.

I'll have to respectfully disagree with every single point you've made in these three paragraphs.

Feel free to dredge up T20 - I was on the other side of the fence as an angry player when that happened. Completely different company now, completely different people. Your point is entirely moot. Correct, it was a sh*tshow, and it was dealt with when it happened way back in the day. You screw around like that at CCP these days, you're out of the door. It's as simple as that. I get accused of being biased on a daily basis, and of being a cheater. One day I'm being accused of being biased toward PL, the next day it's GSF. Life goes on.

On your point about soundbytes - news flash - anyone who knows me knows that I don't pander. If I have something to say, I say it. I don't give a sh*t what "demographic" it plays well with - if I have an opinion on the game as a 17 year veteran of it, I'll be sure to express it, both externally to the community, and internally at CCP. Admittedly that's caused friction internally too at times - even recently when I've been vocal about my views, but that's what makes CCP great - we're encouraged to talk about our products and what we like and dislike about them. Sue me for having an opinion and wanting something that I think is for the betterment of the game. I don't pander - everyone is equal in my eyes and I don't care for politics.

My job as a community manager is to communicate, correct, but it's not to stand by and watch us sit on our balls if I can help prevent that by giving solid feedback from our players. That's my job. Whether that feedback is listened to is at the behest of people above my pay grade, but I make sure that voices are heard - that's what I do. That's what all community managers do. We're the front line support for dealing with player sentiment, regardless of whether we agree with it or not.

On your point about a bitter and twisted rage fest, one of the best quotes I've ever heard from a player was printed in the "Into the second decade" book that we published on the 10th anniversary. It read "Mark my words, this game will be dead in six months.".

That was a quote from 2003, yet here we are. EVE has been "dying" and "declining" since it was conceived in the eyes of everyone who doesn't like the changes that are made to it. People come and go, opinions change, but the people who stick around are those core pillars of our community who realise what the objective is for New Eden.

Sorry mate, but the three step approach of trying to shame me about history - which was set right years ago, trying to tell me how to do my job, then trying to shame the community because they're excited and debating changes that are happening to the game doesn't fly with me.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

over 5 years ago - /u/CCP_Falcon - Direct link

Originally posted by zerodamage

I'm trying to decide if this would improve or further harm an already mostly dead part of New Eden (lowsec). The change alone without other changes i think would do harm i think.

It'd need to be part of a group of changes for sure :)