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So the incoming nerf to mission payouts is coming most likely because of the influx of people running missions because with the fact that nullsec ratting is not a great source of income anymore, running missions in hisec is just better isk/hour right now and it is way less risk. My issue is that this is not the answer to the problem. Lvl 4 missions have never been considered to be a god tier way to make isk, they have been historically an "OK" source of money. Why nerf something that is just an OK source of income now that people actually want to run the stuff because you screwed most other forms of making money?

The ESS sucks not because it makes people PVP, it's because most people who are ratting in null are doing it to afford pvp stuff. I mine, and when I am mining, I do not ever pvp, because I want to get my mining done asap, so I can jump clone back to my pvp staging, and go pvp. I have 0 interest in mixing the 2 because I do not want to mine, I do it because I need funds for pvp, so the idea of stopping my stuff, docking up, re shipping to fight, then reshipping back to my mining setup, to go back to mining is a waste of time as far as I am concerned. I can pvp whenever I want, hence I feel no need to pvp when I do not want to. The problem with ESS is that the null sec ratter now has no choice but to reship to pvp unless the ratter wants to get terrible isk ticks. Even if the ratter re ships to pvp, maybe he wins, maybe he dies, so 50/50 ish that he loses a ship, oh and he still gets his terrible tick. It is frankly not worth it to rat in null anymore unless your super ratting in a back water system that no one goes to, in which case thats pretty much it.

So now from the influx of people in Lanngisi, and Dresi, and other good mission systems in hi sec tells me that many other people have figured this out on their own, and like the miner, has left null sec. So now also the pvper is screwed because no one is mining because 99% of systems in null do not even have ore spawning. no one is going to be ratting soon once everyone is sick of the ESS. So from a pvp stand point, if no one is mining, and no one is ratting, your small nano gang that you like to run now has even fewer targets.

A simpler solution is for null sec to be good isk/hour be it pve or indy, and let the nano gang pvpers have targets aplenty.

If you hate the fact that people afk rat while watching netflix, make your pve not complete trash.

If you hate the fact that I am literally mining while I am typing this, then make mining an active thing like the plethora of other games out there where mining is an active thing, and not something so braindead I can watch youtube, type this rant, and quad box 3 hulks and a porpoise, all while smoking a cigarette and petting my cat thats on my lap right now.

If you have an issue with L4 mission payouts not being balanced, balance them because there is an actual economic reason, do not just nerf them because to many null seccers are trading in their afk gilas for L4 golems.

My region has next to no ore anoms anymore, my home system which has been max ADM for the past 2 years straight, is now at indy adm 1 because, turns out if nothing spawns in system that is minable, your adm crashes. Now for the first time in about 10 years, I am mining in hisec, because hisec mining income is better then the 0 mining I can do in my previously maxed out system that had all sorts of stuff in it. Local pirates who lived nearby who I talk to in local sometimes when they try to gank my mining fleet, said they are moving to another region after years of hanging out locally because they said there are just no targets anymore, and they can't sustain their living of farming the area for ratters and what not since its dead. I have a few moons in the area that is my only real source of null income atm, and I do not even bother using a ceptor to scout my mining stuff because there is no one around anymore, and I can jump 7 or 8 jumps without being bothered. 2 months ago, I would always scout because pirates roamed constantly.

CCP has an answer to all of my above complaints. Turns out, since you nerfed wormhole income, and you nerfed null sec income, and you nerfed fw lowsec income a while back, I guess the answer is to nerf Hisec as well, so that no one is going to be able to make money, while the price of stuff goes higher and higher. L5 missions are going to be good money still for like a patch, but tbh that's not worth getting setup for since that is probably going to be nerfed next anyway.

As a long time player of this game, abandon your dumb plan of f*cking everyone's income, and fix this so that when this war is over, subs do not drop off faster then they already are going to. If you want stuff to be more expensive, just make it cost more to build, boom problem solved. You have a built in isk sink on every blueprint in the game, that you do not really use. If your not familiar, it is the tiny activation cost to run a blue print. CCP just crank that up, and bam every thing costs more, so people will need to tighten the belt a little, but they can still make what feels to them like a decent amount of isk no matter where in eve they live. It is a psychological thing, people would rather make 200mil/hour and pay 400mil for something, then make 100mil/hour and pay 200mil for something. Regardless that either way it takes them 2 hours to earn it. Sadly the direction you are taking this game atm, people are going to be making 50mil/hour and paying 800mil for the same thing. No one is going to stick around for that.

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over 3 years ago - /u/ccp_habakuk - Direct link

Originally posted by H0n0ur

From pulling a few missions looks like 18k reward is down to 10k so 40%

Hi, could you please provide us some information on which missions / agents you compared? The payouts should not have changed and according to my tests the LP payout did not change at all - but it could be possible that something is broken for some specific cases, which i have missed in my tests, and which would need to be fixed. Feel free to give me more details here or it would also be great, if you could file a bug report about it on Singularity.

Thanks!

over 3 years ago - /u/ccp_habakuk - Direct link

Originally posted by H0n0ur

I did not screen shot but later today I will pull from the same agent and let you know.

Any word on when we can mine asteroid belts again.?

That would be great.

Unfortunately I have no updates on asteroid belts, as this is handled by a different team.