Directors’ Chat: 2025 & Beyond

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6s	hello everyone I am CCB Swift join with
8s	some amazing guests to chat with you a
10s	little bit about what you can expect in
12s	2025 from EV online uh let's get started
16s	I joined by cisb Okami in the middle
18s	here our game design director cisb Rari
21s	of course our game director and cisb
23s	burger our creative director how you
24s	guys doing awesome man yeah really good
27s	thanks for having us yeah course welcome
29s	to my corner of the pulse barar or
31s	wherever we are yeah in space in space
34s	in Sp don't worry we're safe everyone um
38s	but yeah we just wanted to kind of look
39s	forward to a little bit about what we
41s	can expect in 2025 uh it's been a while
43s	since we chatted with you actually since
45s	the Revenant expansion so tell us like
48s	what has happened a little bit since
49s	since uh we last chatted well
52s	the you all have been quite busy
55s	shooting each other in the face uh lot
58s	of explosions lot of lot of uh beautiful
61s	ships being built and and space claimed
64s	and space lost and massive migration
67s	resets I mean yeah yeah you name it uh I
70s	think we've been really busy since the
73s	expansion actually with follow-up
74s	releases which is something that we kind
76s	of talked about uh in the beginning of
80s	the expansion phase was like we were
82s	going to roll it out in kind of a couple
84s	of releases for example Sky hooks uh
88s	iterations and then we we've basically
89s	been following going more up on quality
91s	of life and stuff like that we that we
93s	didn't plan but kind of kept in our back
96s	pocket if it if it kind of happened to
99s	happen uh so there's been a lot of
101s	unexpected unplanned for and and un kind
104s	of uh released we didn't talk about
107s	these things before the pi upgrade Etc
110s	like they were they were just kind of on
111s	a backlog and and waiting for the right
113s	opportunity to strike so we've been kind
116s	of seeing that way more than we expected
118s	kind of in this expansion era
121s	so that's kind of drying up now as we
123s	enter planning for the next expansion
125s	but it's been hell of a ride yeah and
127s	since we last spoke uh we've seen a lot
129s	more narrative events as well uh in in
132s	Revenant uh uh leading up to the the
134s	launch and uh even Beyond so a few more
138s	in-game events uh and other live things
141s	like that as well on top of all the game
143s	balancing and content updates we've done
146s	yeah yeah it's been like a really active
148s	year uh really active back half the year
151s	yeah U you mentioned the the pi
153s	templates the team that was responsible
156s	for it wants to make sure that you guys
157s	know it wasn't only because of the
159s	Reddit threads they were actually
160s	working on that the memes were pretty
162s	good yeah but the memes the memes gave
164s	them a little bit fuel to kind of get
166s	over the edge a little bit uh dread
167s	insurance was another one that that
169s	popped up um this is something that you
171s	know people who like Dread BS are really
174s	enjoying uh metox mood drills give them
176s	a great venue to do this stuff and I
179s	think in the last like 3 years Years and
180s	we're just looking at some data the
182s	number of dreads that have been killed
183s	both in like isk value and just sheer
186s	number uh is that like a really big high
188s	point for
189s	2024 it's exciting to see what players
192s	might do in uh in 2025 with those yeah
195s	yeah dread fights are always fun and I
198s	think yeah it's been really amazing to
200s	see how the metox has kind of How It's
202s	entered new Eden and and how it's kind
205s	of changed up how players uh or
208s	capsuleers actually
210s	claim space and and hold space and and
213s	yeah attack stuff so it's been a very
215s	healthy change and and we but we keep on
217s	you know we're still like looking at it
220s	and and focusing at it and seeing what
222s	what all the things we can learn from it
224s	and and improve and the size and sort of
226s	like a rate and Cadence of those
228s	conflicts as well yeah um not just epic
231s	Grand scale battles in you know solv
234s	space but smaller more like intense and
237s	uh interesting battles as well and just
240s	real value you can see that like uh
243s	there's a reason to put them into space
245s	people really want to be able to kind of
247s	generate this value uh and and are
249s	willing to commit the resources and and
251s	risk them but we also have I think a
254s	better balance in the sky hooks now they
257s	were all in the same timer in the
259s	beginning but now they've kind of slowly
261s	being kind of uh spread out so there's
264s	way more opportunities for people to to
266s	to find something if they go in a Rome
268s	if it's Sky hooks if it's a methano Etc
270s	so mer yeah y mto's yeah exactly BL up
275s	mer yep yeah my little group that I've
278s	flying with recently every time we just
280s	film it somewhere in space there's
282s	always something within five or 10 jumps
284s	we rarely make it more than five jumps
286s	before we meet our ultimate demise uh
289s	and the community team also have a
290s	stream every Friday uh we barely make
293s	get one jump most of the time that's
295s	because people are they're out for
296s	looking for corpses the corpse trade uh
299s	and we should actually you guys on
300s	pretty soon so we can get some s corpses
304s	rare I'm sure nobody has my corpse yet
306s	so oh so good put that out there who's
309s	going to be first yeah my my corpse is
311s	devalued completely the the floor is
313s	falling out uh we also had the alliance
315s	tournament the 20th Alliance tournament
318s	which was pretty crazy to see uh people
321s	like compete all out for them had
324s	tournament battleships For The First
325s	Time in Forever in the python uh so
329s	python got killed
330s	yeah uh yeah yeah I'm happy to see that
333s	that uh our community is is doing an
336s	amazing job at killing python I mean
338s	we're trying to you know slowly upgrade
341s	our python but but this is yeah one way
343s	of doing it python Z yay NS
347s	nerds and see T you had mentioned that
350s	you've been kind of watching Alliance
351s	touring priz ships and you've been like
353s	really surprised that how many of them
355s	were dying the last cou there was a
357s	there was a a calling of of the heard
361s	yeah I remember a couple of months ago
362s	just like just one after another after
364s	another don't know what it was if it was
367s	a a failed deployment or like uh someone
369s	moving but like I love I love seeing
372s	people use their ships and get them in
374s	space get that risk out there yeah it's
376s	been really nice since we brought the
378s	Alli morning back we actually up the
379s	amount of price ships that players get
381s	and that's really we've seen them being
383s	like they've been less like sitting in
385s	the hanger collecting dust more like
388s	I'll take it out for a real let's just
389s	see what happens happens and a lot of
391s	times what happens is like some insanely
394s	motivated person sets a trap for them
397s	and kills them which is always
399s	fun all right but that was 2024 uh a lot
402s	of stuff towards the back half of the
403s	Year let's look forward to to 2025 what
406s	can players kind of expect for like the
408s	year just high level stuff so uh yeah 25
414s	it's going to be a huge year for us uh
416s	we're planning two expansions a summer
417s	expansion and the Venture expansion so
420s	so and we've already started uh I mean
423s	we've laid down the lines for for the
425s	whole year and the team is in
426s	pre-production for for the summer
429s	expansion so very very very busy time at
432s	CCP right now uh lot of back and forth
435s	and we have the CSM in this week so so
438s	it's a it's the best time of the year
441s	actually to to come in and and have uh
444s	they both have the opportunity to to
446s	look at you know what we're doing for
448s	for the summer but they also can help us
450s	kind of shape how winter will look like
454s	and kind of what the big you know big
456s	talking points for winter will be um and
459s	you know what we what we bring into
461s	FanFest because it's a FanFest here yes
465s	FanFest returns to harpa this year yeah
467s	and we were talking about just before
469s	it's the first time we've returned to
470s	harpa since 2018 which is mind-blowing
473s	to us I remember it like so vividly as a
475s	player uh and it's going to be nice to
477s	see all the player flags hanging down
479s	and harpa and just uh just the whole
482s	vibe that it brings I can't believe it
484s	since 2018 like
486s	we're yeah yeah it'll be my
489s	first first FanFest amazing so you see
492s	first FanFest are you going to be like
493s	on stage doing stuff are you going to be
494s	blending in the I don't know yet to be
496s	honest we'll we'll find out we'll find
497s	out nice yeah my favorite part about
500s	FanFest here in ranky is just because
502s	rank's so small when the players come in
505s	to visit you can notice them everywhere
507s	yeah like every restaurant every bar
509s	just every street you just be like hey
511s	is that is that guy talking about eeve
513s	yeah I think he is like I've heard that
516s	voice before I wonder what that guy
517s	looks like uh and it's it's so much fun
520s	yeah 2018 I had the best thing like
521s	random street not even in downtown R
524s	like I player walked up to me on a
526s	Sunday like I'm sorry I don't want to
528s	bother you but are you CB burger and my
531s	my son was with me and he thought it was
534s	the coolest thing ever he couldn't
536s	believe how cool this was he was like
538s	there was a random like rontom Foreigner
540s	that came to my dad and he knew who he
542s	was nice yep I'm I'm famous for one
546s	weekend nice yeah I my kids don't even
549s	like bother anymore they're just jaded
552s	they're like hey kids I'm on the stream
554s	like U I guess I'll go troll you
557s	or yeah yeah twist stret is going to
560s	be who's this guyet
564s	yeah it's the kids it's my kids yeah but
568s	looking forward for for 20 the summer of
570s	2025 I know we were talking about like
573s	uh the expansions not really just like a
575s	moment in time but kind of like a
576s	Continuum just before there's going to
578s	be stuff just after there's going to be
580s	stuff kind of building on major themes
583s	um and I know it seems to be
584s	you were mentioning that um in previous
587s	expansions there were kind of like a lot
589s	more of laying foundations uh and then
592s	this one is going to be a little bit
593s	more building on top of those
595s	foundations yeah so uh we have since we
598s	started expansions there's kind of been
600s	a through line is about organized goals
603s	trying to help players organize
605s	themselves and and like core projects
607s	and all that that's kind of a big Lane
609s	and we keep investing in it uh and we'll
611s	continue we call it Strategic investment
613s	we're basically saying like this is
615s	something we're like we think is core of
617s	the game so we're going to invest and
619s	invest and invest and iterate and
620s	iterate so we basically gone through
622s	multiple iterations multiple expansions
624s	on that topic um we have another Lane
629s	which is based basically a lot about
630s	like uh sovereignty how does sovereignty
633s	work how do the Rules of Engagement work
636s	how does dynamic security work like all
639s	of those things kind of are in that
641s	future of War how do people fight over
643s	things and own things so like each
645s	expansion is chipping away at that MH
648s	and now we're seeing like an iteration
650s	further on that and primarily on top of
653s	Equinox of because that like a lot of
655s	work went into a lot of thought went
657s	into making it really robust really
660s	scalable and really allowing people to
662s	express both what they want to fight for
665s	the resources they want to and
666s	ultimately customize their own space uh
669s	like their colors what they stand for
672s	really so we will continue on that we
676s	are going to iterate a lot on eono of
678s	this year uh listen to a lot of feedback
681s	like what people want Dynamic resources
684s	etc etc uh and we'll see more way more
688s	uh as as as we get Clos closer to we're
690s	actually in the mid of pre-production at
692s	the moment so we don't have all the
693s	answers but we're definitely 100%
696s	investing a lot in that and then
697s	freelance projects which we've talked
699s	about before a bit Yeah and these are
702s	these are really big changes and and we
705s	realize that you know big Changs like
707s	these they need time to to uh to
711s	percolate and they need time to
713s	basically kind of live up to to you know
716s	what we hope they they will kind of
718s	become um so we don't want to we don't
721s	want to rush these things it's better to
723s	take kind of small steps really monitor
726s	listen to feedback you know we're in
728s	very active conversation with the CSM
730s	and and with thought leaders in the
732s	community um and and basically allow it
735s	to kind of build up slowly and we've
737s	seen this I mean this was very
740s	successful when we did Photon for
741s	instance like just kind of yeah be quite
745s	arate about about kind of forward
747s	momentum but never never jump too far
750s	hats yeah yeah it's a really good like
752s	uh really good way to kind of get the
753s	changes that are really big that you
755s	guys were Bing there's no way in a
757s	single expansion passion would be able
759s	to solve every problem build every
761s	system so just building just having
763s	things that we can build on top of Y uh
765s	is you know really methodical it's going
768s	to be exciting I know players are excit
770s	are going to be excited to see like what
772s	what that even looks like when we build
774s	on top of
775s	things and it's it's it's also great to
778s	to be able to kind of
780s	go back a year or so and and take a look
782s	at the feature set and you know how how
784s	the community has actually taken these
785s	tools and how they've made these tools
788s	their own in a way um and even if we say
791s	that we're iterating on and building on
793s	Foundation we've already laid there's
796s	plenty of opportunity for for innovation
799s	in there and there's plenty of
800s	opportunity for new it's not just
802s	tweaking numbers or you know changing
804s	the shade of green that we're using for
806s	something but yeah know there's a lot of
808s	opportunity to to build new there's been
811s	a lot of investment in also we're
813s	learning how to use quazar and this Tech
816s	also behind the scenes uh and a lot of
819s	it is also about like okay we did a we
822s	did this last year and it's almost like
824s	we need to kind of update a little bit
826s	because we're like we're on cutting edge
828s	of how we work with this um a lot of it
831s	uh is also learning about just adding
833s	content to like the contribution methods
835s	for example it sounds trivial to say
838s	like okay we add like why can't we just
840s	add more of these contribution methods
842s	it's because learning how to to just
844s	work with them uh but we're also trying
846s	to facilitate game designers to be able
849s	to like figure out the code where we can
851s	just like add 10 20 instead of one or
854s	two a year so we're also trying to
856s	unlock that design power um and we're
859s	like making good progress there's a kind
862s	of there's a lot of momentum in this Y
864s	and it's it's a balancing act for us too
866s	like it's always about us trying to find
868s	something new that we can kind
869s	introduced while we're trying to finish
871s	something or really take something to
873s	the next level that we started and maybe
875s	dig into the wayb back machine and say
876s	like ah it's kind of not working so all
879s	of these things are kind of like we're
880s	balancing at the same time M nice yeah
883s	it's really cool to see how this works
885s	in progress uh and you know I think I
888s	was talking to see be trash Panda about
889s	the mercenary dens and the mercenary
892s	tactical operations like the little
893s	dungeons that spawn because of them he
896s	was so excited because like in the
897s	future he knows that this Tech could
899s	could be used for a number of things
901s	like I could have someone make their own
903s	missions with this thing now it unlocks
906s	so many future doors uh to look at down
908s	the future but yeah and if you if you
910s	look at them in in uh like if you look
913s	at them next to Corporation projects
914s	like there's a lot of interesting olap
916s	that starts to happen there and and this
918s	is ultimately like I mean we've been
920s	talking about this for years now uh
922s	we're always trying to give more
924s	controls to capsu like we want come we
928s	want we want to give you know the power
930s	to the to the player and allow them to
932s	you know if it's customizing you know
935s	the the visuals of their space or their
937s	ship or their structure or you know
940s	build content for their members or you
943s	know set an agenda for for what you know
946s	whatever you want to do um so these are
948s	all kind of steps in that direction like
950s	how can we give you more control yeah I
952s	know a lot of especially for Corporation
954s	projects a lot of it's actually inspired
956s	what why players by what they've built
958s	to exist out of the game as well so like
960s	they're feeling a need and we're
962s	recognizing that and just kind of giving
964s	them a little bit more tools to unleash
966s	their creativity yeah we love we love
968s	player tools but anytime we can look at
970s	those patterns and like find a way to
971s	just bring those things in game where it
974s	makes sense too like that's that's
975s	always another thing that we're trying
977s	to balance is is like what what's a need
979s	that people are trying to fulfill
981s	outside of the game that we haven't
982s	provided yet yeah and kind of you know
984s	and then in in some way kind of lower
986s	the barrier of Entry because you know
989s	having to open up a third party tool and
991s	log in and get into all the nitty-gritty
992s	and you know form an IT department uh in
995s	your corporation to to fully connect
997s	things like if we can cre create an
999s	intermediary stat between you know
1002s	between you starting the game and having
1003s	to do that like I mean we're not
1007s	yeah these third party tools are super
1009s	powerful but but you know there's a time
1012s	in place you know for when you to jump
1014s	into them yeah it's kind of like the
1015s	that's like the PHD program it's your
1018s	your and in like inherently also a bit
1021s	unfair like the halves and have knots
1024s	are kind of like you don't have it any
1027s	don't you're not aware that other people
1029s	have them until you realize and then
1030s	you're like okay how how how would I how
1033s	how could I even been able to C catch up
1036s	with with others yeah uh we are actually
1038s	monitoring core projects uh based on
1041s	just like uh you know tiny Corporation
1043s	mid corporation like small like just we
1045s	have like a whole uh monitoring Suite of
1048s	like just
1049s	adoption mhm like how many sub five
1052s	character corporations are using them
1054s	Etc and we're we're actively trying to
1057s	make sure that that like all the the the
1060s	the directors are aware that these exist
1062s	first of all and then just trying to
1064s	understand their needs like what do 10
1068s	man corporations need the most like is
1071s	it donation centers or like is it is a
1073s	different thing or are we kind of blind
1075s	and they they're missing like a key
1077s	component so they can start using it but
1079s	we're trying to cover our basis and we
1082s	listen to the CSM a lot so I think we're
1084s	we're we're aiming for like full
1087s	adoption of these for I would say mid to
1090s	like up to large and then eventually
1093s	large and and bigger will have third
1095s	party alliances Etc we won't ever cover
1098s	everything that big alliances are going
1099s	to do but we really want to be like
1101s	keeping an eye out for the the little
1103s	man in this I think what you're saying
1106s	is cor projects are awesome and if you
1108s	haven't tried them yet you should go
1109s	yeah exactly exactly it's always
1112s	exciting to to read like a story that
1114s	someone will put out on like a blog or
1115s	even on Twitter somethingone like oh my
1117s	Corp finally built this astr house and
1120s	we were able to do that because we had
1121s	these cor projects working for it and
1124s	like everyone in different time zones
1125s	were able to contributing and love I
1127s	always love those those are so much fun
1128s	so I mean just just to like take this
1131s	for a second like it's a it's a very
1133s	cool thing not a lot of games have this
1135s	sort of a system in them right like I
1137s	don't know if any other game where you
1139s	has anything this for a bust where you
1140s	can effectively create jobs and missions
1143s	for players around you to to go do um
1146s	it's a very Eve it's very cool yeah it
1149s	is very much an eve
1151s	thing to make other people do work for
1153s	you and probably scam them in the
1155s	process like I can't wait for free form
1158s	contracts where or people can just do a
1160s	little bit more of like hey you should
1162s	give me all of the tritanium you have
1164s	and in return I'll give you like a
1167s	thumbs up yeah
1170s	now the analogy of a Merc then that's
1172s	authored by a player isn't like that far
1174s	off like uh freelance projects are
1176s	really
1177s	about uh reaching outside of your
1180s	corporation like how do you extend kind
1182s	of an imitation how do you like like
1184s	kind of Matchmaker so like theoretically
1188s	you should you could as a new player be
1189s	flying in heac and and come upon a
1192s	mercenary Den that someone deployed but
1195s	in fact that the operations inside are
1197s	are are someone corporations just
1200s	decided to drop this down and just uh
1203s	and then then you realize you're working
1205s	for a player Corporation and not an NPC
1207s	Corporation and then you have like a
1208s	handshake moment uh it's kind of like an
1211s	ice breaker in that sense they're like
1213s	oh okay it is a player it's not just an
1216s	NPC and then hopefully there's a
1218s	recruitment that happens because we're
1220s	basically all our onboarding uh efforts
1223s	have been a round not tutorial liing but
1227s	just Quicken
1230s	the recruitment just as fast as we can
1232s	get you into a player proration that's
1234s	our model yeah so when we think forward
1236s	freelance projects really it's it's a
1238s	lot of it's not only about creating an
1240s	ecosystem for our existing players but
1243s	but like you said kind of Shifting that
1245s	to uh the sense of building a
1247s	relationship between corporations and
1248s	new players as well and being able to
1250s	help them kind of reach out and create a
1253s	handshake and and an introduction uh
1255s	that helps bring new people into those
1257s	corporations and into Eve into the
1259s	ecosystem in a in a more friendly way
1262s	yeah there's there's no guide that we
1263s	can write that's going to replace no
1265s	exactly you know a player running into
1267s	another player and then being like
1269s	here's what you need to know no new
1270s	player experience nothing no tutorial
1272s	that will teach you no missions or no
1275s	level three missions or four like it's
1277s	it's never going to be sustainable we
1279s	want people to just help each other
1281s	complete the first 20 30 hours together
1285s	that's the fastest possible and and I
1287s	mean there are multiple layers to this
1288s	as well like it's it's yeah we want to
1290s	get players into player new capsuls into
1293s	player corporations as soon as possible
1295s	but there are like steps you know
1297s	towards that point and you know the
1299s	sooner you get into a fleet I mean have
1301s	to have to give uh the npsi fleet SAR
1304s	out I mean they do an amazing job of of
1307s	getting new players into fleets for the
1309s	first time and we see when they when
1310s	they join a fleet and they have this
1313s	human interaction for the first time in
1315s	in in Eve it's incredibly valuable and
1319s	and yeah it's all about the social
1321s	freelance projects even like we talk a
1323s	lot about it because it's really
1325s	important to us it's kind of like the
1326s	culmination it's the like we've gone
1328s	through Corporation projects that's like
1330s	what happens in and then like extending
1332s	it we need to kind of figure out new
1334s	rules like how do you you you you don't
1337s	just listen to the like the directors
1340s	and they can you do like approve things
1342s	this is more like an opin system but
1344s	from a nulc perspective or low
1346s	perspective you're also working kind of
1348s	you don't have have to organize all the
1350s	alliance stuff you can just create
1351s	freelance projects and your kind of
1353s	affiliation corporations or kind of like
1356s	Loosely for like you can still chip into
1359s	an alliance Project without being an
1360s	alliance project it just like here's
1362s	stuff that here's useful stuff to do
1364s	yeah and everyone's just like flying
1366s	around and doing stuff so it's it's
1367s	really powerful that and it also like it
1370s	also helps a lot with the freeler
1371s	fantasy like being able to just you know
1373s	fly around doing random jobs for random
1376s	corporations without you having to be a
1377s	part of tment mhm it's way cooler doing
1380s	stuff for player corporations or CP
1382s	authoring them yeah or authoring them
1384s	yeah and I mean as a New York player
1386s	like like just being able to log in and
1387s	and like look at work I can do for other
1389s	people that makes me feel like I'm
1391s	contributing to something meaningful is
1393s	is also really powerful yeah you might
1394s	not be in that big battle but hey I I I
1397s	remember I recognized that name they had
1400s	me built a stiletto oh that stiletto got
1402s	tackle like ah you can kind of trace it
1404s	back all the way to you yeah and
1407s	also the these projects I mean they
1411s	self-balance because they are not
1412s	generating new new isk into the
1415s	ecosystem it's just movement of is that
1418s	already exists so it doesn't really
1421s	matter if a corporation decides to pay
1423s	you know one trillion per unit or one
1426s	isk per unit like that's just down to
1429s	the players if you want to participate
1430s	or not but if if an NPC project pays 1
1434s	trillion like the balance of the
1436s	universe will will uh yeah yeah shift
1439s	it'll definitely affect the Mia yeah
1442s	it's a great Point uh okay but looking
1445s	looking a little bit more deeper at 2025
1447s	we got the two expansions that you were
1448s	chatting about we also have some uh
1451s	events that players can kind of look
1453s	forward to expecting uh C were kind of
1456s	talking about capsu day yeah a little
1457s	bit before tell me a little bit about
1459s	sure any any any tips or tricks or hits
1462s	well so I think capsu day has become a
1465s	staple for us now like we're seeing it
1467s	happen pretty regularly
1469s	um and you can expect it again this year
1472s	uh but there's going to be some
1473s	differences I don't want to really spoil
1475s	what those are at this point um but
1477s	we're looking at at making some updates
1479s	to it uh and maybe integrating it into
1483s	parts of what Revenant
1485s	is nice nice so we've been talking a lot
1487s	about what like players have been up to
1490s	but the the new Eden has been doing some
1492s	some stuff as well like if if people
1495s	have't been paying too much attention C
1497s	burger what what's been going on what
1498s	have The Drifters been up to what's
1501s	what's the deaths doing yeah there's
1503s	been some some uh quite a lot of
1506s	activity from yeah in 2024 and and uh
1511s	it's been interesting to follow
1512s	especially the what uh Mr deathless has
1515s	been up to and he's been been uh
1518s	wreaking havoc as he as he claimed that
1520s	he would he would do and uh been very
1523s	active in developing a new type of work
1525s	clones the vanard work clones uh and
1528s	those uh they've actually been been
1530s	testing that technology it's reported
1532s	that they've been testing that uh
1534s	technology and on on the surfaces of of
1537s	planets in new Eden and and uh in some
1540s	cases actually Shifting the the uh
1542s	balance of power with uh contributing to
1546s	to insurgencies and and uh yeah so
1549s	that's been very exciting uh that is
1553s	also kind
1554s	of kicked an old enemy uh uh back into
1559s	gear so we saw we saw The Drifters uh
1562s	take quite an offense to to the
1564s	deathless uh late last year and uh yeah
1569s	by Yeah by they managed to be yeah
1572s	deathless managed to kind of kick them
1574s	out of of uh sarak with the help with
1576s	the capsu the help with the capsu and uh
1579s	but but it's I think it's quite obvious
1582s	that they haven't they haven't the last
1585s	work yeah well I think some cool things
1587s	we've learned a little bit for the L
1588s	nerds who have been digging uh more
1590s	about the identity of the deathless in
1592s	this expansion in Revenant uh and uh
1596s	with s speaking of zarak uh the
1598s	deathless were sitting on top of some
1599s	interesting technology that they weren't
1601s	even aware of until Revenant kicked off
1604s	which was the warden so the structure
1606s	that's appeared there where you can go
1607s	kind of trade in your infomorph for
1610s	mercenary dens and other andless ships
1613s	uh and rewards like that um so this has
1616s	clearly built a tension between the The
1618s	Drifters and the deathless uh that
1621s	continues to perpetuate not only
1624s	throughout the sort of buildup and sort
1625s	of inception of revenant but throughout
1628s	and so uh I hope that very soon you you
1631s	might see a little bit more of that
1632s	coming as well but it's it's I mean
1635s	there there must be a reason why why The
1637s	Drifters are interested in this in in
1639s	sarak and I think it's quite obvious
1642s	that we only scratch the surface of of
1645s	yeah what
1647s	sarak kep
1649s	I think that while the the tension and
1652s	the conflict is very visible sort of the
1655s	uh kind underlying mystery of it is is
1658s	yet to unfold nice well hopefully we can
1660s	learn a little bit more about that uh
1662s	and yeah we we shed a lot about caps Le
1664s	day uh Crimson Harvest winter Nexus but
1667s	there are kind of like these events that
1669s	pop out that are related to the story a
1671s	little bit where people can get involved
1672s	so we really should kind of just keep an
1674s	eye out for that maybe it'll be soon who
1676s	knows yeah who knows maybe you can help
1677s	write the story of of uh you know what
1680s	the deaths are getting up to or maybe
1682s	you'll be supporting The Drifters uh I
1684s	know we can never figure out what
1685s	players are going to do we've given up
1687s	trying to like do understand what
1689s	they'll do and just like say anything
1691s	Happ
1693s	yeah but yeah between now and the summer
1696s	there's also a couple things that we're
1697s	kind of keeping an eye on very actively
1700s	uh projection of course is one of those
1701s	topics uh last year we chatted a lot
1704s	about projection uh made a few changes
1706s	you know Equinox of saw the number of of
1708s	black J Bridges be reduced just by
1711s	virtue of how they are uh zarak the gate
1713s	polarization that the death was put in
1715s	place made that less of a super highway
1718s	more of just like a place where you can
1720s	go and then hop to the front lines um
1723s	but you know kind of what do we have in
1726s	plan for projection in the
1729s	future yeah so I I mean maybe we can
1732s	start talking about what healthy
1734s	projection looks like first and then how
1736s	we want to get there I think for us uh
1738s	Health projection is really about
1740s	looking at player Mobility capsular
1742s	mobility in the game as a whole uh and
1745s	saying like there's a concept of local
1747s	traversal so I can travel within my you
1751s	know owned Sol space do the work do the
1754s	regular things I like to do but when it
1756s	comes to bigger battles and response
1759s	times that sort of like feeling of a
1760s	super highway where I can just get to
1761s	the other side of the the Galaxy right
1764s	now feels it's it's a little bit too
1766s	easy to do that it's too easy to be
1768s	responsive and so that that really
1770s	creates a a sense of like too high risk
1773s	for people to want to mobilize and other
1775s	things so uh we really want to look at
1777s	that sort of long range projection uh
1780s	and sort of make the the healthier sort
1782s	of um shorter term home space traversal
1787s	uh still feel accessible to to people so
1789s	that I think that's what we're working
1790s	towards in terms of healthy projection
1794s	um this really isn't a problem that you
1796s	just take a hammer to though and that's
1798s	something we've learned um I think when
1800s	it comes to trying to solve this one
1802s	it's something that we have to take
1803s	small steps towards so we're constantly
1806s	doing that we're constantly looking at
1807s	things like uh who can who can travel
1811s	through Gates um in the future maybe
1814s	types of gates that you can have
1815s	different different styles um the
1818s	positions of gates and where they're at
1820s	and and how that impacts the overall
1821s	travel time uh and so I think you can
1824s	expect to see some of those changes kind
1826s	of coming up in the near future as we
1828s	iterate towards solving this this sticky
1831s	tangly problem without without making it
1833s	worse for everybody mhm like the the the
1836s	right sacrifices so like the economics
1839s	of of the old uh Fuel and isk basically
1843s	were like almost reduced to isk isn't
1846s	enough to to balance a system like this
1848s	so that's where Workforce and and those
1851s	planetary uh resources come into play
1853s	where we can actually play with like
1854s	okay if you want that kind of Mobility
1857s	you're going to have to cough up a lot
1860s	of like uh resources to do so um and
1863s	we've been testing that those things
1865s	with the methano for example just like
1867s	tuning a little bit the fuel cost and
1869s	this and here so we are uh taking baby
1872s	steps probably frustratingly small baby
1874s	steps at the moment like certainly for
1877s	me like I've been hoping to kind of get
1880s	more traction on this uh this has been
1882s	an ongoing concern for a pretty long
1884s	time but you know smaller steps are
1887s	better and we have been kind of trimming
1888s	it will continue to trim probably it's
1891s	going to be it's it's mostly about
1894s	trimming projection at the moment until
1897s	we find the right balance of like but if
1899s	you want to more it's going to cost this
1902s	and this and this you're going have to
1903s	trade these things space topiary yes
1905s	there's a little bit of so I think uh I
1908s	think that's healthy and I I feel that
1911s	the community and the CSM are kind of
1913s	all in agreement it was too much we need
1916s	to cut it a bit down until we're kind of
1918s	in a in a better place but I think we
1920s	recognize that it's it's it's a thing
1923s	that
1924s	we and every every time we take an
1926s	iteration every time we release we're
1929s	looking at at taking a step towards M
1931s	better yeah and I mean we're not trying
1934s	to lie to ourselves that there is a
1936s	silver bullet to solve it it is it will
1938s	be solved through work and iterations
1941s	okay yeah it's really nice to to hear
1945s	from you guys what you think a good
1947s	system looks like like and kind of what
1949s	we're working towards rather than like
1951s	oh we're going to do this one thing uh
1953s	and then you know in 5 years we'll look
1955s	at it again like no no we got to get
1956s	there it's going to take a while yeah uh
1959s	another thing that you know players if
1960s	you've checked out the me or you're like
1964s	anywhere where people discuss the
1965s	economy one thing that players are kind
1967s	of concerned about that you guys also
1969s	look at pretty regularly is things like
1971s	the mineral price index uh the cost of
1974s	Plex uh the state of the economy in
1976s	general in terms of sinks and faucets uh
1978s	like what does that kind of look like to
1980s	when for your
1982s	day-to-day I think to to start maybe I
1984s	got get a little philosophical here and
1986s	then we can get into the practicals of
1988s	it um The Challenge we have with
1991s	balancing a game like Eve is that Eve is
1995s	is both a simulation and a game right
1998s	and so I think when you have when you're
2000s	simulating a robust economy like this uh
2003s	part of part of what you want to do is
2005s	to preserve that simulation so if
2007s	something starts to grow or Spike you
2009s	need to rely on the fact that there is
2010s	this robust player driven economy that
2013s	can self-balance however it's also a
2016s	game and at some point you have to look
2018s	at like well is this actually good or
2019s	fun or interesting or is it is it making
2022s	people frustrated and driving them away
2024s	and so there's this careful balance that
2025s	we always take as we're as we're seeing
2027s	these things happen about not just
2029s	taking a big swing and a big Axe and
2031s	just just like having something or
2033s	doubling something and saying like well
2035s	what is the real impact of this and
2037s	what's the real ution because sometimes
2039s	it's not just changing a number
2041s	sometimes it's taking the time to make
2042s	more content around that thing there
2044s	something too uh so definitely like like
2047s	on a day-to-day basis like we're looking
2049s	at the uh you know the M as often as it
2052s	comes out um you know we're always in
2055s	DMS together chatting about it it's it's
2057s	it's a real thing um and just trying to
2061s	figure out discussing what the the CSM
2063s	to and you what the real solutions are
2067s	to to some of these challenges es yeah
2069s	just identifying this is it an issue
2072s	noise isn't an issue but noise can be
2075s	definitely an issue um and I think we
2078s	could go back in time and and and kind
2080s	of talk about things that we were trying
2083s	to address for example isogen or cost of
2085s	battle battles shift Etc so there have
2088s	been movements behind the scenes of like
2090s	okay we have targets that we're trying
2091s	to kind of at least facilitate these
2094s	things um we don't have like a
2097s	battleship must cost X like we don't
2099s	have those kinds of things but we kind
2101s	of are thinking like what's the healthy
2103s	like threshold when do people keep
2106s	become frustrated because it is a game
2108s	versus like uh whatever like battleships
2111s	are 1 trillion like the market will
2113s	solve itself uh we don't want that we
2115s	want to have like there are design
2117s	philosophies and principle where we're
2119s	like yeah but we also just want to have
2121s	fun in battleships or threats so we are
2124s	always looking out for a thing uh we are
2127s	keeping an eye out for uh mineral prices
2130s	right now but we're also looking at the
2131s	CPI and thinking okay there's some
2134s	there's a discrepancy between those what
2135s	does that mean reality uh isogen is
2138s	dropping Mor fight is going up sure is
2141s	it a shortterm midterm long-term thing
2144s	we have to see uh is it a real problem
2147s	is it stopping things that people really
2149s	want to do like Capital Construction um
2153s	so we're we're basically we're sensing
2155s	this and we're looking at data uh every
2157s	day not just the me and we were debating
2160s	these and like is there something
2162s	missing is there a hidden cost whatever
2164s	so and looking for those right Solutions
2166s	yes we just not pumping something in
2169s	just for the sake of it uh so we are
2171s	monitoring 100% and we're debating it uh
2174s	all day
2175s	long um and we are also have been
2179s	iterating more than we have been in the
2181s	last couple of years the last couple of
2182s	months I think y just before the
2184s	expansion we were dropping like both uh
2187s	econom changes for poch Bend for
2189s	wormholes before that uh it changes in
2194s	anomalies
2195s	distributions uh rates coold Downs like
2198s	all of these things are kind of being
2201s	like we're using the tools uh we're
2203s	using what we have and and uh I think
2206s	we'll just continue doing that yeah
2208s	that's that's been a huge shift in the
2210s	way we think about things and and kind
2212s	of approach them is not necessarily just
2214s	waiting for those huge expansion beats
2216s	but just making sure that we're con play
2218s	like dripping in like and tending to
2220s	things that need to be tended to and um
2223s	I feel like it's been a really good
2225s	strategy for us as a game and and I
2227s	think that like I hope everybody feels
2228s	it too um and we just want to kind of
2231s	continue that sort of cadence and flow
2233s	of just building a reliable and stable
2235s	sort of cadence of of smaller changes to
2238s	the game that that you guys can just
2239s	feel and and maybe impact uh not just
2243s	the main focus area of like let's say
2244s	we're working on Sal but you can notice
2246s	something in poshan or in a one Hol or
2248s	something too but it's a lot about
2250s	defining defining what the problem is
2253s	that we're trying to solve rather than
2255s	just doing random stuff you know it's
2257s	it's it
2259s	it's it's easy to get like thousand
2262s	ideas but but you know it it's really it
2265s	can be really challenging to to kind of
2268s	break down the issue at hand and finding
2270s	what the the core of the problems are
2272s	and that's kind of where we've been
2274s	spending a lot of time yeah you guys we
2276s	actually just kind of touching on this a
2278s	little bit like um you know in some
2280s	games you have like an expansion moment
2282s	and then like you don't hear anything
2284s	for six months then there's another one
2286s	you guys were kind of talking about like
2287s	doing stuff between expansions like how
2290s	it's a bit more of a a Continuum than
2292s	just like this fixed point in time um
2295s	what does like an expansion mean for Eve
2297s	online well there's been I I think a
2299s	little shift over the past year as well
2302s	uh and how we're thinking about
2303s	expansions it's not just being that
2305s	moment in time like you said uh I think
2308s	in the past we've tended to build up and
2310s	you've seen that in both like terms of
2311s	narrative and events and things
2313s	happening in the game and then the
2315s	lights come on and there's there's
2316s	there's a bunch of new content and
2318s	features and then we wait until the next
2321s	one and maybe there's some events like
2323s	like capsulator skate in between but the
2325s	way we're we're really thinking about
2326s	expansions now is uh it's a period in
2329s	time it's it's from like one point to
2331s	the next point and then the next
2333s	expansion starts so all those releases
2335s	that you're getting all the little
2336s	tuning updates and and all those sort of
2339s	narrative beats and moments uh they're
2341s	all part of the expansion now we're
2342s	really thinking of uh creating creating
2345s	a build up to that moment where we turn
2347s	the lights on and we release new
2349s	features new ships new things like that
2351s	uh and then little beats along the way
2353s	that kind of keep you enticed and
2354s	involved in a story uh and participating
2357s	in How the Universe might unfold and
2359s	change and even how some of them the
2362s	future expansions might even happen as
2363s	well so uh really it's it's it's a you
2366s	know a full duration and not just that
2368s	just that point is what I'm trying to
2369s	get it I think it's uh we tried this
2372s	this time around we put in a a a release
2377s	uh before the expansion which was about
2380s	kind of shi balancing there was like a
2382s	little bit tuning and little
2383s	improvements because he kind of wanted
2384s	to have a a clean slate for the
2387s	expansion because then then he dro the
2389s	new things the new shifts Etc so we kind
2391s	of tried to pre-b balance before the
2393s	expansion the expansion kind of
2396s	innovates something brand new where we
2398s	move the game forward um and then in the
2401s	followup we have quality of life and we
2403s	balance iteration Etc and I think that's
2406s	the a really good healthy way to do it
2409s	so we're really uh aiming for a kind of
2414s	scheduled balance meta changes but we've
2417s	also learned before that like constantly
2419s	sing the pot is not good but not
2422s	necessarily on on top of the expansion
2425s	so maybe this is kind of like a small
2427s	beat expansion small bit expansion kind
2428s	of cin that we and then the story line
2431s	The Narrative kind of just like gently
2433s	is on top to make everything a bit more
2436s	kind of new something to do every day um
2439s	I think that's the lesson we went like
2440s	hardcore into everything in the
2443s	expansion needs to be like biggest patch
2445s	notes ever like everything in it they
2448s	make it super beefy but it's probably
2451s	not the healthiest way so we're there's
2453s	something like in between we're for in
2457s	that you know V we recognize that a lot
2459s	of Eve players tend you know they play a
2461s	lot over the course of the the the
2462s	totality of that expansion and so while
2465s	it's exciting to get that day that that
2467s	present you unw wrap it's also nice to
2468s	get little you know bursts of other
2470s	content and uh events and narrative
2473s	moments and fixes along the way as well
2476s	and I think that just keeps everything
2478s	feeling sort of healthy like I call it
2480s	hygiene kind of like as tending to
2482s	everything as as we need to as well and
2484s	like cleaning and healthy menting the
2487s	fences with mending Fen that's way
2489s	better than what first came to my mind
2491s	which was expansion flavor
2494s	crystals yeah mending the fenes there
2496s	you go that's I don't know I kind of
2497s	like Flav let's just's go with that I'm
2501s	sorry if that catches on it's weird
2502s	thing okay but yeah so that's like the
2504s	overall thought of that for um expansion
2507s	that's really cool uh excited for it we
2510s	already talked about a little bit of of
2512s	the things that we're kind of looking at
2514s	in the leadup to the summer um but like
2516s	what does this kind of look like like
2518s	for the summer I guess like don't want
2520s	every single n-g gred detail got to save
2523s	some stuff for fan pest some stuff for
2525s	uh the lead up to it some surprises like
2527s	generally we talked about court projects
2529s	uh we talked about like Equinox of and
2532s	just what do summer look like a little
2534s	bit more closer to
2537s	home so way more agency in in Equinox
2541s	off like there's uh different upgrades
2544s	more upgrades more
2545s	freedom um a lot of uh kind of our
2550s	takeaway was there's a lot of space
2552s	that's like uh considered unusable or
2555s	trash space or whatever we going of want
2556s	to give like that that space a bit of a
2559s	second life like what can you do with
2561s	that uh true Sack or like security and
2564s	how it impacts the value of systems is
2567s	something that that we were all about I
2570s	think there's can be very interesting
2572s	things about like what you do and how
2575s	you maintain control your own soft space
2577s	so kind of like defensibility usability
2579s	of that so there's like I would think of
2582s	it as a batch of really good upgrades
2585s	for equinox off um and some trade-offs
2588s	because I I I I think the consensus was
2591s	okay it's a really good system
2594s	hypothetically but we really just have
2596s	one best choice for every system so
2598s	we're trying to introduce we made a
2600s	Christmas tree now we're giving you
2602s	decorations so so I'm I'm hoping
2605s	everyone in old sex should be able to
2607s	kind of customize iterate on their space
2611s	a bit more and kind of make it feel a
2613s	bit more home and just more full of life
2615s	and
2616s	resources nice that's really exciting I
2618s	like I know a lot of groups that are
2620s	getting like amped about like what this
2622s	is going to look like for the future
2624s	Every Time We Touch NOC it seems like
2626s	something big will happen afterwards but
2628s	you know takes some adjusting takes as
2631s	you were saying CB Burger it takes a
2632s	little bit time to cook and get used to
2634s	things and figure out what is like what
2637s	is a a need that needs to be filled uh
2640s	and what is like an area that the
2641s	players have like figured things out
2643s	that they don't need stuff for yeah and
2645s	then uh yeah then of course like we
2649s	talked about earlier uh we're uh doing a
2652s	big push on on freelance projects and uh
2655s	so we can see like a lot of the threats
2657s	that we've been kind of weaving for the
2660s	last couple of years are started to come
2661s	together and and you can you know it's
2663s	becoming kind of a a holistic packets uh
2667s	so that's going to be super cool and
2669s	there's some really exciting stuff on
2670s	the horizon around yeah projects and
2675s	things coming together yeah I kind of
2678s	the identity of a corporation is also
2680s	something that we want to strengthen
2681s	even further just uh we talking about
2684s	the freelance projects so if you role
2687s	play as a new player someone's saying
2689s	like hey do this for me I'm like who are
2691s	you we really want to make that kind of
2694s	just like that pretty impressive like
2697s	that corporations can show you who they
2699s	are like you know improve the Corp
2703s	finder aspect of it like who are these
2705s	guys what what do they stand for U and
2708s	kind of just like get into the the
2710s	notion that like the NPCs they're just
2712s	kind of fixed and kind of normal but
2715s	what does it mean when a player
2716s	corporation like shows up and and you
2719s	start interacting with them like there
2720s	there's something interesting a lot of
2722s	times people don't understand the
2724s	difference between those so I really
2726s	want to highlight them as early as we
2728s	can and kind of allow uh players to to
2732s	to customize or like kind of make those
2734s	things stand out for themselves yeah the
2737s	I mean there's so
2738s	much kind of the idea of a corporation
2741s	Eve like there's so much cool stuff
2744s	around the corporation and alliances
2745s	like there there are you know Discord
2747s	servers and a lot of chatter and and you
2751s	know they you know people go out fly
2754s	together blow stuff up and and but a lot
2757s	of these things they only manifest kind
2759s	of outside the client and and this is
2762s	kind of been a topic for for quite some
2764s	time here and and a big topic that we
2766s	want to talk about at Fest and we really
2767s	want to kind of have this conversation
2769s	with the community on how can we start
2771s	to bring some of these stuff that's only
2773s	outside the client how can you kind of
2774s	bring it more into the client and how
2776s	can we kind of allow it to
2779s	to kind of paint the experience you come
2783s	into a space and you can just feel that
2784s	this is you know controlled by a major
2786s	power
2787s	um and this is going to be kind of you
2789s	know maybe not the summer expansion but
2791s	more something that we will start to
2792s	look at more kind of when we get close
2794s	to winter but this is definitely going
2796s	to be a huge topic uh at FanFest and I
2799s	can see plenty of one beer two beer and
2802s	three beer conversations at FanFest so
2804s	make sure to to uh yeah yeah those are
2807s	always kind of like the the highlights
2809s	of my FanFest experience as a player
2811s	we're just like bumping into a Dev being
2814s	like get your beer all this one thing I
2816s	really want to talk these sport Dev have
2818s	heard so many horrible pitches from me
2822s	about like game design stuff uh but it
2824s	is still like really fun to chat with
2826s	players hear what motivates them hear
2828s	like what stories they're making with
2830s	the tools that we gave them yeah that's
2832s	always the the most exciting part I
2834s	cannot wait for horrible
2836s	pitches they're funny yeah right on and
2840s	also you know we were talking about I
2841s	think seems be you were
2843s	mentioning what the future of War looks
2845s	like in 2024 it was adding a lot of I
2849s	forget the term he used tactical
2851s	objectives in space for all Fleet sizes
2854s	there you go it's so catchy yeah um
2858s	t-shirts yeah uh yeah and so like what
2861s	that looks like uh being like oh maybe I
2864s	want to fight over a citadel I'm going
2865s	to need me and my closest 500 friends uh
2868s	but maybe if I'm fighting over a Skyhook
2871s	or a mercenary danage just me and three
2873s	or four people and kind of what more of
2875s	that looks like building on top of that
2877s	as an idea going into like
2880s	2025 yeah I think the methanes were a
2883s	great and mercenary Dance Like These are
2886s	you can do some damage just like with a
2888s	tiny tiny Fleet uh or at least die
2891s	trying and I think uh we were missing
2894s	that we didn't have anything really to
2896s	kind of tackle and I think we had heard
2898s	a lot of like ah but I can't defend all
2900s	these things well sometimes like just
2903s	don't build you're just going to accept
2906s	that you're going to get bitten by by uh
2910s	mosquitoes and you're not going to be
2912s	able to just like never have mosquitoes
2914s	like you're going to have them and I
2916s	think that's fine because these these
2918s	Investments are making money in the in
2921s	the long term for sure sky sky Hooks and
2924s	Mer Dan and methanes are for sure like
2927s	making more money than they're losing
2929s	based on and and I mean like part of
2931s	that's the way we balance these things
2932s	in terms of cost right like a mer really
2935s	not that expensive to get going and I
2937s	know some people have made some pretty
2939s	good cash on those as well so like the
2942s	economy is really healthy uh the
2944s	ecosystem's good and like yeah they're
2947s	going to get destroyed but they're not
2948s	you know a they've probably made you
2950s	some cash and they're not super
2951s	expensive to to get started up and go
2954s	yeah we're talking to a few players who
2956s	created some uh diplomatic incidents by
2959s	dropping too many mercenary dens I think
2962s	this is the the first part or the first
2964s	time period where players were just
2965s	looking at the types of planets that
2967s	were in this space they're like oh shoot
2969s	there there're not many of these this
2971s	guy woke up at downtime and put down
2973s	five oh that can't be uh good enough
2975s	complain to their leadership now the
2977s	leadership have a new set of problems
2979s	they have to deal with uh and allies
2981s	have to shoot up uh some other ones
2983s	because they're creating Anarchy it's
2984s	actually such a neat little ecosystem
2986s	that that comes out of there yeah and
2988s	then on top of that we have uh I mean we
2991s	we have the The Great Migration happened
2993s	last year and we have the big stunting
2995s	reset uh January 1st this here so I
2998s	think it's I think we have a very
3000s	fertile ground for for uh people
3002s	shooting each other in the face yeah
3004s	shooting each other in the face endorsed
3006s	by the CP directors endorsed endorsed
3009s	officially uh but when it comes to these
3011s	like ideas that we're talking about
3013s	especially some of the the quality of
3014s	life ones that you were mentioning C
3016s	beat um and even chip balance stuff um
3019s	where do we kind of source that
3021s	information
3023s	from that when we want to make balance
3025s	changes small
3030s	bre it's a methodical quasi methodical U
3034s	kind of approach we basically have uh we
3038s	collect them from devs collect them from
3042s	ourselves uh uh I go through u a lot of
3046s	historical documents a lot of old ideas
3049s	are still valid so like even the old
3051s	lists of like CSM lists of of of days
3054s	gone are still relevant um
3057s	a lot of just social commentary CSM is
3061s	probably like the the strongest filter
3063s	for these ideas uh but our favorite uh
3067s	aside from those are just well
3070s	articulated things on on social media
3073s	and and uh these kind of manifestos
3076s	communities come together is basically
3079s	like if you all agreed enough to do this
3082s	list it's probably worth taking a look
3085s	at and this has this has been great
3088s	because we can't play test or kind of
3090s	foresee every single thing or an aspect
3092s	of a thing because we we just need all
3095s	the experts to come together and like
3097s	okay is this is this good or bad we kind
3099s	of had this conversation with uh CSM 18
3102s	or even before about Force projection
3104s	like don't we all kind of agree that
3106s	this is a problem that was the first
3108s	hurdle yeah then we'll figure out some
3110s	solutions but do we kind of all agree
3112s	that this is a problem and I think
3114s	that's that's where we get the kind of
3116s	the the best momentum and motivation to
3118s	fix things if like okay they're all
3120s	behind it let's let's get there yeah
3122s	there's there's like a a rigor and a
3124s	thoughtfulness behind some of these as
3125s	well that we really appreciate and they
3127s	don't always uh prescribe like how to
3130s	fix something but they identify what the
3132s	problems are and I think those are
3133s	always the best for us because there
3135s	might be multiple paths we can take
3137s	right maybe even things that people
3138s	don't realize we can do in terms of
3140s	building features so it's always great
3142s	to know like this is our our primary
3144s	this is our biggest problem and this is
3146s	why it's problem album and have that
3148s	really well sort of like methodically
3150s	articulated and documented for us has
3153s	like been tremendously helpful and we've
3154s	seen those for like poshan and worm
3156s	holes um and so definitely really
3158s	appreciated and like a conduit through
3160s	our CSM um so that's been fantastic yeah
3163s	but I I we too often share just like a
3167s	snippet from forums of like that's
3170s	actually a decent like that's pretty
3172s	decent that's I I didn't think of this
3174s	kind of thing and we basically just kind
3176s	of share them in a slack Channel or
3178s	something and say like okay is this
3180s	worth pursuing then we go through like a
3183s	lot of rigor of like okay we go we have
3185s	a brift team team meeting where we go
3188s	through opportunities we we rate them
3190s	and and this is hard easy Etc so this is
3194s	just like uh what we do all all day long
3197s	yep or with like Pi templat sometimes it
3200s	good meme helps yeah but we also
3204s	like there you know sometimes we find
3206s	you know we have these amazing things
3209s	that come up but it's not necessarily
3211s	the right time to do them or or you know
3213s	there are five other steps that need to
3215s	happen before this this feature happens
3217s	or or this change happen so it is it is
3220s	it is a t and it's an interesting puzzle
3223s	to kind of and there isn't really a
3225s	single single answer so when we get kind
3228s	of the the problem statements
3231s	clearly written or or articulated that
3234s	really helps us um yeah
3237s	yeah and of course right now the CSM are
3239s	here y we've got them trapped for a full
3241s	week chatting with us about stuff that's
3244s	happening in the summer uh just all of
3246s	2025 and uh it's all locked in a room
3249s	and I have the key in my pocket so no
3251s	worries over there we we will free them
3254s	soon don't worry you'll get your CSM
3255s	back uh but yeah we have the the list of
3258s	topics that we have uh as well so you
3261s	know we'll uh we'll we'll let you guys
3263s	know exactly what's going on and very
3265s	soon after the summit we C CSM minutes
3267s	as well so you can hear about stuff we
3269s	chatted about a little bit stuff will be
3272s	redacted so there are some surprises
3274s	you'll still get the broad Strokes of
3276s	everything and yeah like you mentioned
3278s	it's always great when player
3279s	communities come up together but yeah we
3281s	hate each other in the game but uh we
3283s	both agree that this is a problem that
3285s	needs to be addressed uh and they kind
3287s	of make this really cool document for us
3289s	either give it to us directly or through
3290s	the CSM or through any other means and
3293s	it's just so helpful there are so many
3295s	things that I've seen you guys reference
3297s	from years ago that players have given
3299s	us if it wasn't the right time as you
3301s	had mentioned C burger like sometimes
3303s	you have to wait for the right moment MH
3305s	that reminds me of the CSM presentations
3307s	also yeah yeah absolutely well they they
3310s	really kind of present the specific
3312s	thing that they're either interested in
3315s	or their or their their kind of uh their
3318s	group that they're lobbying for is like
3320s	okay these These are usually like the
3322s	highlights of the of the visit to kind
3325s	of see these and they're just like
3326s	really tangible they're really good and
3328s	they they have a a depth of knowledge
3330s	that that uh is really important it's
3332s	not just like we should have three mid
3334s	slots on it's way more than that yeah
3337s	yeah and often times like the days like
3340s	usually all the presentations are in the
3342s	same date on the last day and I mean
3343s	it's like a master class day you just
3345s	you get to go really deep on specific
3349s	topics yeah and we keep them recorded as
3351s	well and I've seen like every once in a
3353s	while it'll be like oh you have to
3354s	refresh this one and if I don't refresh
3356s	it for like a day or two someone's like
3358s	hey I need this one refresh it quick uh
3361s	and so they'll just like kind of often
3363s	like site these presentations that the
3365s	CSN give about just like the areas of
3368s	space problems they run into and yeah
3370s	it's it's super helpful for
3372s	us um couple other things that you know
3375s	players are going to be interested in of
3376s	course ESI and Tech stuff is always
3379s	something that you know is is on top of
3381s	players Minds uh anything you can share
3383s	about that yeah I mean uh we're actually
3386s	planning a series of of uh Dev blocks
3388s	and streams um in February so stay tuned
3392s	for that uh yeah addressing everything
3394s	from from ESI to to quar to other some
3399s	other nice stuff that we have have in
3400s	store um so yeah keep on eye on that
3404s	nice and we've actually got a mass test
3406s	this weekend to test uh the local quazar
3410s	uh Tech mumbo jumbo so be sure to hop on
3413s	the singularity uh and try and break
3415s	stuff and just uh show up
3417s	we'll get some good data from it and
3418s	it'll help us like move the eve cluster
3421s	forward yeah super important it's a it's
3424s	a it's a big one yep I know uh I think s
3428s	Chim changa has some like cool uh stuff
3431s	uh in store that he wants to share uh
3433s	both uh in in those February chats and
3435s	at FanFest yeah uh and you know it's
3437s	always fun to hear from them yeah I I
3439s	mostly just want to show like really big
3441s	numbers you know these m test like you
3443s	know we had millions of some things and
3445s	billions of something things and
3447s	trillions of something so yeah make sure
3449s	to show up so we can so we can really
3451s	fulfill that trillion hope that I have
3454s	yeah trillion trillion of something tril
3456s	we'll get there uh but really that's it
3459s	uh 2025 it's going to be a great year
3462s	FanFest we're going to hear so much
3464s	stuff about what's happening in the
3465s	summer and Beyond uh any any last words
3469s	final words not last
3471s	words this is
3473s	it yeah I mean I'm just super excited to
3475s	see everyone FanFest uh it's going to be
3478s	a wild one it's going to be a crazy one
3481s	um I've already I've I've I'm still
3485s	debating what the PB craw my PB craw
3487s	team is going to be called but usually
3489s	we we win that is our that's my role for
3493s	the pep is to is to first time I hear
3496s	this you won that I won prep C every
3500s	year that's why home wind wind
3503s	conditions are very unclear to me
3506s	so what is
3508s	winning uh I'm I'm just always in the
3511s	like I I want to see what's next so I'm
3513s	like right now we we we we're packaging
3516s	the goods yeah but I really just want to
3518s	like start like I live I live in the
3522s	life I really want to see what's in the
3523s	next patch like what of the resources
3525s	that what we looking at next um but I
3529s	can't wait because these are these are
3530s	perly
3531s	Monumental uh kind of and I would say
3534s	like they they're wrapping up a bit of
3537s	an era like they're really getting
3538s	things into kind of a next to final
3541s	State freelance project is the end of
3543s	like how we were thinking about this and
3545s	econom S is kind of like okay we really
3547s	want to get it nail it here and then
3550s	just like add stuff to it just cherries
3552s	on top but these are kind of a really
3554s	important beats but also full of all
3557s	kinds of like crazy stuff that we're not
3559s	talking about but these are the
3560s	fundamentals Y and for me really just
3563s	stay tuned there's more coming Revenant
3565s	like I said we're in that period it's
3567s	not done yet so there's there's more
3569s	interesting and exciting things like
3571s	about to happen and then we we're going
3573s	to start to enter a new era there so uh
3575s	be patient but keep keep an eye out
3578s	because there's there's some pretty cool
3579s	things about to happen great on well
3581s	thanks for sitting down with us chatting
3583s	I really look forward to to what the
3584s	summer holds look forward to seeing you
3586s	all at FanFest as well and I'm zby Swift
3589s	take care

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