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| 2s | so i i really didn't want to be ceo so |
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| 4s | that's uh |
| 5s | e vegas uh 2019. |
| 8s | uh so uh dunk what happened |
| 12s | oh you can do better than |
| 15s | that well we had a war |
| 19s | so uh in that war uh brave was in a |
| 21s | really weird place our ceo at the time |
| 24s | kagali gali was doing the tradition of |
| 26s | going completely afk |
| 28s | and so brave was run by this kind of |
| 30s | consensus group of kind of people in |
| 32s | charge and we kind of stumbled into the |
| 34s | war and my job is kind of the spirit |
| 37s | animal of brave was to kind of motivate |
| 39s | people and i made some videos and |
| 41s | i was pretty sure the goons were going |
| 42s | to collapse like i don't know in a |
| 44s | couple months it was |
| 48s | so still here absolutely i'll get to |
| 50s | that |
| 51s | um |
| 53s | so |
| 54s | here we are and it's been proven over |
| 56s | and over that space democracy and space |
| 58s | consensus really doesn't work in eve |
| 61s | yet brave was trying it and we were in |
| 63s | the middle of a war and uh |
| 65s | the beginning of the war went great and |
| 67s | then it didn't go so great and we |
| 69s | started getting our butts kicked in our |
| 71s | home systems our home regions of catch |
| 73s | and impasse |
| 75s | and thank you initiative |
| 77s | and |
| 78s | so um |
| 80s | you know obviously in any group there's |
| 82s | going to be disagreements |
| 84s | but ours leaked very publicly in the |
| 86s | middle of a war in front of everybody |
| 88s | and that was very bad because it showed |
| 90s | me basically not telling the truth to |
| 92s | the people and brave about what was |
| 93s | really going on |
| 95s | and that was a big bad thing to do so as |
| 97s | a result |
| 99s | they named me interim ceo |
| 101s | so uh i really didn't want to do this |
| 103s | job the war is kind of i'm hoping like |
| 106s | please goons just fall apart please so i |
| 108s | can |
| 109s | undo this stuff |
| 110s | um and for a little bit it went okay we |
| 113s | uh we were aquarius and we started |
| 115s | taking systems there and i was like oh |
| 118s | we might actually do this we might pull |
| 120s | this out of a hat like this disaster and |
| 122s | then august happened and everyone |
| 124s | decided uh we don't want to fight the |
| 126s | war anymore we're going to go back to |
| 127s | our home regions and i said i don't have |
| 130s | any home regions anymore |
| 132s | so we lose the war |
| 134s | and |
| 135s | then they made me ceo for losing the war |
| 141s | so right |
| 143s | so i |
| 144s | you know uh here's a little picture of |
| 146s | the slack where i said i'm now ceo of |
| 148s | the alliance and the next thing is we |
| 150s | need to get the hell out of here so this |
| 152s | was a very troubling time because |
| 153s | basically we had lost everything we |
| 156s | owned in two regions our home regions of |
| 158s | catch and impasse that we had for about |
| 160s | three years and now we're losing |
| 161s | everything in aquarius |
| 163s | and uh it was really bad and i didn't |
| 165s | know if prey was gonna survive but i was |
| 167s | gonna do my best |
| 169s | so i become ceo and you think it's not a |
| 171s | big deal because i had been interim ceo |
| 173s | but now they were really like |
| 176s | no you're gonna answer every single |
| 178s | question about every little thing that |
| 179s | happens so this is what my day looks |
| 181s | like in the morning right |
| 183s | uh discord goes crazy and then we use |
| 186s | slack and brave because we're modern |
| 187s | thinkers and um |
| 189s | and i would have these routinely like 99 |
| 192s | plus because it doesn't go any higher on |
| 194s | the little red dot |
| 195s | and then suddenly i realized exactly |
| 197s | what i was talking about here like when |
| 199s | i send a note to everyone in brave it |
| 201s | goes to |
| 203s | 3574 people |
| 206s | and i don't know what really changed |
| 208s | that day |
| 208s | but |
| 210s | when i was interim ceo they're like okay |
| 211s | you're in charge what kind of do what |
| 212s | you want and this kind of stuff like |
| 214s | that but when i was officially ceo |
| 216s | every little thing |
| 217s | every issue that had to be solved is on |
| 219s | your plate and this is the same thing |
| 221s | for everybody who leads an alliance |
| 223s | when i was on the csm we would go to |
| 226s | these csm summit meetings in the before |
| 228s | times |
| 229s | and uh i'm sitting around the table with |
| 230s | alliance leaders from pandemic horde |
| 233s | test |
| 234s | imperium and every morning we flip open |
| 237s | our laptops in the conference room |
| 239s | before starting the csm meetings and |
| 241s | it's just nothing but problems and we |
| 242s | joked about like let's just trade |
| 244s | laptops and you solve my problems and |
| 247s | i'll save your problems |
| 250s | um so |
| 251s | the other thing that you don't really |
| 253s | get and you know i've talked to other |
| 255s | leaders about this is money is a big |
| 256s | thing in eve like they don't like no one |
| 258s | likes to talk about it no one's like to |
| 260s | talk about worrying about srp every |
| 262s | leader worries about srp because a lot |
| 264s | of players don't want to do things if |
| 266s | they don't get srp so it's a big deal |
| 269s | and you worry about money and suddenly |
| 270s | you got to talk to the finance guy about |
| 272s | the budget and the military guy wants |
| 274s | seven keepstars and the and the finance |
| 277s | guy is like you can't afford a pass |
| 279s | so |
| 283s | so let's go to the first lesson you know |
| 285s | really is honesty and authenticity |
| 288s | and um |
| 289s | up to the leaks i had a pretty good |
| 290s | reputation of of being kind of clear and |
| 292s | honest and not really bullshitting |
| 294s | people um but you lose a lot of stature |
| 297s | when you lie to people right and so what |
| 298s | those leaks showed is i wasn't really |
| 300s | telling the truth |
| 301s | um so my first thing for everyone is you |
| 304s | have to be yourself now |
| 306s | every leader is going to be different |
| 308s | because we're different human beings i'm |
| 310s | not going to be the matani and the way |
| 312s | he is i'm not going to be gobbins i'm |
| 314s | not going to be headliner we all have |
| 316s | our own personalities you have to be |
| 318s | honest to that personality right if i |
| 321s | got up on saturday morning and went on a |
| 323s | one-hour show ranting and screaming |
| 325s | about things everyone would say what the |
| 327s | hell happened to dunk |
| 330s | but matani does it every weekend and |
| 332s | everyone's like he's on point he's on |
| 333s | fire this is awesome so you have to be |
| 336s | true to yourself because people can tell |
| 338s | the difference we are these amazing |
| 341s | uh |
| 342s | monkeys with clothes on that have been |
| 343s | trained our entire lives to detect |
| 345s | dishonesty |
| 347s | and the whiff of it we're so good at it |
| 349s | you could tell by just looking at |
| 350s | somebody like oh they move their eyes |
| 351s | the wrong way they're lying to me |
| 353s | so |
| 354s | you have to be honest you have to tell |
| 357s | people what's going on |
| 360s | and like i talked about |
| 362s | here's the lesson i learned |
| 364s | our dirty laundry aired in front of i |
| 366s | don't even know how many views that post |
| 367s | got |
| 369s | but we misled our people about what was |
| 370s | actually going on and it hurt us and |
| 372s | people left |
| 373s | so you can't do that so you have to be |
| 375s | honest |
| 376s | uh about what you're doing |
| 378s | so at the end of the war um |
| 381s | i was at work all day i knew the war was |
| 384s | ending i didn't think it was going to |
| 385s | collapse that bad as it did |
| 388s | so i had a little speech written to say |
| 390s | to people |
| 391s | and i was wondering how is everybody |
| 393s | else going to tell everybody these this |
| 394s | bad news that we just lost the war |
| 397s | and because of real-life meetings i was |
| 399s | like one of the last alliance leaders to |
| 401s | tell people what was going on |
| 404s | so uh here before i give this talk a |
| 406s | little sip of water here |
| 413s | so uh |
| 414s | i just told people the truth |
| 416s | the second line says the war is over and |
| 418s | we have lost |
| 420s | and uh that even now i can feel like my |
| 423s | emotion uh coming over me what it felt |
| 425s | that day because it sucked there's no |
| 428s | getting around it |
| 429s | but i had to tell people what was really |
| 431s | going on |
| 432s | and i hadn't heard what anyone else had |
| 434s | said that day i just said i'm going to |
| 436s | tell them the truth |
| 438s | and |
| 439s | it talks about morale these first few |
| 441s | things and i'll talk about morale later |
| 443s | but i had to be honest with people |
| 445s | because |
| 446s | that was the only the only path out i |
| 448s | couldn't them and say like well |
| 450s | we killed a bunch of stuff so |
| 452s | it's fine |
| 454s | so um |
| 455s | i i didn't think just by telling the |
| 457s | truth it was going to be a big deal |
| 460s | but but it ended up being a big deal |
| 462s | like the number of people that reached |
| 464s | out to me after i gave that speech and |
| 466s | they heard it who were enemies the |
| 467s | person who wrote this was an initiative |
| 470s | who had just lost all their space and |
| 471s | found and spent a whole bunch of time |
| 473s | uh burning down our space they're like |
| 476s | you did a good thing after i've spent a |
| 478s | year and a half trying to burn them down |
| 480s | right people appreciate honesty even if |
| 483s | it's not your own group and the currency |
| 485s | of honesty and respect from your enemies |
| 488s | is you can burn that up really quick and |
| 490s | as an alliance leader you have to have |
| 492s | people believe that you are telling the |
| 494s | truth and you're going to keep your word |
| 497s | so |
| 498s | uh i can't stress it enough and when i |
| 500s | talk to other leaders of other alliances |
| 502s | they also stress this you have to tell |
| 503s | people the truth right as uh headliner |
| 506s | and i just did a press interview and we |
| 507s | both agreed like as soon as people |
| 509s | believe you're bullshitting them they're |
| 510s | going to run away |
| 513s | all right next thing is about morale and |
| 515s | i've talked about morale before in my uh |
| 518s | c |
| 518s | how to lead without being ceo |
| 520s | and morale won the war for the imperium |
| 523s | it wasn't ships it wasn't dreads it |
| 526s | wasn't titans it was morale |
| 529s | and um |
| 531s | i had talked about it before and i was |
| 533s | sure the goons were going to collapse in |
| 535s | about two months three months how long |
| 537s | could their morale as everything just |
| 538s | got eaten up |
| 540s | and it didn't |
| 542s | and it got stronger and we had people on |
| 544s | the inside and i knew their morale was |
| 545s | getting stronger and i'm like well it's |
| 547s | going to crack at some point it's got to |
| 549s | it's got a crack |
| 550s | and it didn't |
| 552s | and they had achieved this amazing thing |
| 554s | i mean i literally had like an article |
| 556s | written that quoted the matani in his |
| 558s | article about fail skating |
| 560s | about like look what happened to the to |
| 562s | the goons and it didn't happen |
| 565s | and this the war was not won |
| 569s | on the battlefield the war was won in |
| 571s | morale |
| 572s | and i can't stress enough for leaders if |
| 574s | you can't keep your people committed and |
| 576s | excited and doing things |
| 578s | you are going to lose everything and |
| 580s | that's what happened at the end of this |
| 581s | war a bunch of the people fighting |
| 584s | fighting the war |
| 585s | just said |
| 587s | yeah i don't want to do this anymore |
| 589s | i'm bored |
| 591s | i don't feel any urgency to do this |
| 592s | thing |
| 593s | and then they walked away |
| 595s | and the war was over and we lost |
| 598s | everything |
| 599s | so |
| 600s | morale comes in a bunch of different |
| 601s | ways |
| 603s | there's propaganda you can do there's |
| 605s | just having a fleet like there's a |
| 607s | picture here of us like just flying in a |
| 609s | conga line around something like i don't |
| 611s | know why people love to do that so much |
| 613s | but man |
| 615s | you people love a conga line |
| 619s | um i think you gotta you gotta celebrate |
| 621s | your wins like even if it's a small |
| 622s | thing like we kick those four mullers |
| 624s | ass like you have to celebrate your |
| 626s | victories and you have to talk about the |
| 628s | people on your teams that do the hard |
| 630s | work that goes into it if you're not |
| 632s | thanking your logistics people if you're |
| 633s | not thanking your i.t people if you're |
| 634s | not thinking you're thanking your ftc's |
| 636s | the person who hits the srp button do |
| 638s | you know what it's like to type in the |
| 640s | srp values |
| 641s | manually because there's no esi link |
| 643s | it's a goddamn pain in the butt |
| 646s | so you gotta you gotta talk about um |
| 648s | what's happening with your morale |
| 652s | um |
| 653s | and then |
| 654s | at the bottom of morale is emotion and |
| 656s | how you feel |
| 658s | and uh there's a quote by somebody |
| 659s | important i can't remember it's |
| 661s | no one remembers what you said they |
| 663s | remember how you've made you made them |
| 664s | feel right |
| 666s | and it's very important uh the video |
| 669s | here or the picture here is from what we |
| 672s | would call john bellicose day so john |
| 674s | bellicos was a pilot in brave in like |
| 677s | our first year and he lost his battle |
| 679s | with depression committed suicide |
| 681s | and uh it was a bad day and that's where |
| 684s | the broadcast for reps thing got started |
| 686s | and i know his mom mom bellicose and |
| 688s | every year |
| 690s | uh we do a memorial this sino fleet uh |
| 693s | it usually runs for 24 hours |
| 695s | and uh it's far more than just about |
| 698s | john anymore right people come there and |
| 700s | it's about |
| 702s | i'm getting choked up it's about |
| 704s | everything they've lost right everyone |
| 705s | has lost somebody everyone can identify |
| 707s | with this feeling of |
| 709s | loss and remembrance and |
| 712s | depression and dealing with tough things |
| 714s | and those memories stick with people and |
| 716s | it's a big deal when you can evoke |
| 718s | emotion in people and this year we |
| 720s | thought 24 hours would be enough for you |
| 722s | all to have john bellicose day but no it |
| 725s | would when i think 36 hours of people |
| 727s | wanted to come and just like |
| 730s | on a fortazar to remember people and do |
| 732s | this thing and it was amazing |
| 735s | and i think wolfie's here in the |
| 736s | audience how many ships did you put on |
| 739s | market |
| 740s | 300 400 i mean it was crazy |
| 743s | so you have to have uh these emotional |
| 746s | things and you have to have empathy and |
| 747s | understanding for people because we're |
| 749s | all humans we're not all just we just |
| 750s | don't all play video games all the time |
| 753s | people go through a lot of stuff in this |
| 754s | life they lose jobs they lose people |
| 756s | they're stuck in their house their car |
| 758s | got a flat tire |
| 760s | you as leader |
| 762s | you have to carry a lot of that stuff |
| 765s | and it sucks and it's not really fun but |
| 767s | it's part of the job |
| 768s | because people look up to you and they |
| 770s | want your approval and they want your |
| 771s | understanding and so you have to have |
| 774s | some way to |
| 775s | [Music] |
| 776s | shoulder that |
| 778s | and make them feel that you care about |
| 780s | them |
| 781s | and you have to actually do it because |
| 782s | again if you're not honest about like |
| 784s | your sympathy for people that's like |
| 786s | worse than lying to him |
| 788s | so uh |
| 790s | what else is going to say about this |
| 793s | you can lose morale very quickly like |
| 795s | respect you can lose it overnight it |
| 796s | takes a while to build it up |
| 799s | there's a lot of ways to build up morale |
| 802s | um |
| 805s | everyone |
| 807s | right |
| 808s | some good ones here so um |
| 811s | you know propaganda plays a huge part in |
| 813s | it right again |
| 815s | if you look at these two you'll you'll |
| 817s | you'll see the difference in them right |
| 819s | the papi propaganda is like we're gonna |
| 822s | get the baddies right |
| 825s | the imperium one is goondor calls the |
| 828s | imperium needs you it's an emotional |
| 831s | thing right like you were a soldier it's |
| 833s | your time to stand up like we need your |
| 836s | help you're valuable |
| 838s | and the emotional pull and the morale |
| 840s | pull of those two different approaches |
| 843s | is significant |
| 844s | because they did this and it worked |
| 848s | they took the entire galaxy on |
| 851s | and beat them because of posters like |
| 853s | this |
| 854s | because they got people who hadn't |
| 855s | logged in in five years ten years to log |
| 857s | in |
| 858s | that's morale |
| 860s | we talked about emotion |
| 862s | every group has their own uh i'll |
| 864s | probably mispronounce it so french |
| 865s | speakers close your ears raison de etra |
| 868s | like your reason for being like what it |
| 870s | is did i get okay with the french no all |
| 873s | right sorry |
| 876s | look at the frowny face is over there |
| 879s | i'm sorry i'm poor american |
| 881s | um |
| 883s | you know every group has its own reason |
| 885s | for being and what they think is |
| 886s | important and stuff like that in bray |
| 888s | it's like i really want it to be about |
| 890s | having fun like |
| 891s | life can be hard and suffering and all |
| 893s | that and i want people to log in in the |
| 895s | morning or the night and just have some |
| 896s | fun that's our thing every group is |
| 899s | different right |
| 900s | snuffed out is going to be one way the |
| 903s | imperium is going to be another whatever |
| 904s | you people do in wormholes sex parties |
| 907s | whatever it is i don't know but it's a |
| 909s | different thing |
| 911s | and you got to reinforce that you got to |
| 913s | keep reminding people like what you're |
| 914s | all about |
| 915s | um |
| 917s | and if you start to see the like failure |
| 920s | cascade of doubt start to occur you have |
| 922s | to stop it right away that's what |
| 925s | happened at the end of the the world war |
| 927s | b |
| 928s | vietnam |
| 929s | is people started to doubt that the |
| 931s | goons could be beaten and they're like |
| 933s | well i'm gonna get out of here and then |
| 934s | it cascaded it was one group and another |
| 936s | group and suddenly we had lost the war |
| 939s | so you always have to be raising morale |
| 941s | you have to think about it you need good |
| 943s | artists you need people that understand |
| 946s | the value of propaganda and morale you |
| 948s | need merch i mean it's it's an important |
| 951s | thing |
| 952s | all |
| 953s | right the next one is really |
| 956s | uh it's really about trust i put |
| 958s | delegation because delegation is based |
| 960s | on on trust |
| 962s | um |
| 963s | you |
| 964s | ha you cannot do all the things you |
| 967s | cannot carry the one ring into mordor by |
| 970s | yourself |
| 971s | you may feel like you have to do that |
| 973s | and you're the only one you trust to do |
| 974s | that but it doesn't work |
| 977s | i tried it doesn't work |
| 979s | we lost the war so |
| 982s | the toughest thing is trusting people |
| 984s | and trust is very important in eve |
| 986s | um |
| 989s | it's important at two levels for you one |
| 990s | you have to trust your own people and |
| 993s | you run the risk of being betrayed and |
| 994s | you will be betrayed at some point |
| 996s | that's just eve what it is |
| 998s | but you have to start trusting more |
| 1000s | people to do things or you will get |
| 1002s | burned out or you will burn out other |
| 1003s | people |
| 1005s | and this was really hard for me to do |
| 1007s | because |
| 1009s | when the war was going on before the war |
| 1011s | there were only two of us in the entire |
| 1012s | alliance that did any of the |
| 1014s | infrastructure work of anchoring things |
| 1016s | and |
| 1017s | fueling things and man i was tired of it |
| 1020s | right we had three regions we were |
| 1021s | trying to keep going |
| 1023s | and you're just burning yourself out and |
| 1025s | when you're the leader |
| 1027s | you saw my discord i don't have time to |
| 1029s | fuel everything myself when i have to |
| 1030s | deal with that discord so you have to |
| 1032s | trust people |
| 1034s | in your own group |
| 1036s | and be okay eventually it's going to |
| 1037s | turn on you it's not the end of the |
| 1038s | world |
| 1039s | but you have to give them your trust |
| 1041s | before they they really are going to |
| 1043s | move forward on it |
| 1045s | the other part of trust is you're |
| 1047s | dealing with the other alliance leaders |
| 1049s | and so |
| 1050s | um |
| 1051s | i had known a bunch of the alliance |
| 1052s | leaders before |
| 1054s | uh i became ceos i was kind of friendly |
| 1056s | with them |
| 1057s | but i think that people like you don't |
| 1059s | understand like it's like when you're |
| 1061s | alliance leader and you're not talking |
| 1063s | and you're talking to another alliance |
| 1064s | leader it's not this formal thing it's |
| 1065s | not this is brave actual calling |
| 1069s | pandemic horde actual like it's not like |
| 1071s | that |
| 1072s | it's just casual stuff like you've met |
| 1074s | these people you've drank together you |
| 1076s | know them |
| 1077s | and your word is your bond for the most |
| 1079s | part and so |
| 1082s | if i'm going to talk to another alliance |
| 1083s | leader and i need a favor and in discord |
| 1086s | they say yeah i'll do that i got your |
| 1088s | back |
| 1090s | you have to trust that they're going to |
| 1091s | do that because things could go horribly |
| 1093s | horribly wrong |
| 1095s | so you have to have this external trust |
| 1097s | to people who are your enemies to people |
| 1100s | who are your friends and all this kind |
| 1101s | of stuff |
| 1102s | and again |
| 1103s | in eve so many people have been smacked |
| 1106s | so hard that you're wary of that stuff |
| 1108s | but as alliance leader you have to give |
| 1110s | the trust to other people first |
| 1113s | i i wasn't sure when i was selling |
| 1115s | keepstars because they were going to get |
| 1116s | blown up otherwise |
| 1118s | can i trust them to do the deal this is |
| 1119s | a lot of isk we're talking about |
| 1121s | and i had to say well i don't really |
| 1123s | have any choice they're just going to |
| 1124s | blow it up otherwise |
| 1126s | so |
| 1126s | uh i sold the keepstars to people and we |
| 1129s | transferred it and uh they gave me the |
| 1130s | money and i was like really happy that |
| 1132s | it worked but it was the start of the |
| 1134s | trust thing you have to do |
| 1137s | in going forward |
| 1140s | i've talked about the space work for the |
| 1142s | ccp people in the room there's a goddamn |
| 1145s | lot of space work |
| 1150s | no seriously |
| 1152s | um |
| 1155s | [Applause] |
| 1159s | so uh |
| 1162s | spake where is important and because of |
| 1164s | the way the game is made we do a lot of |
| 1166s | tricks to prevent stuff from getting |
| 1168s | stolen and flipped and all this kind of |
| 1170s | stuff and so |
| 1172s | there's no end to space work |
| 1175s | whether it's you're working on the i.t |
| 1176s | team and we have a constantly evolving |
| 1178s | esi |
| 1179s | or you got to fuel things or like |
| 1182s | whatever it is there's just a ton of |
| 1184s | space work to be done you have to dole |
| 1186s | it out you have to trust people to do it |
| 1189s | and you got to make sure you don't burn |
| 1190s | those people out |
| 1192s | this for me was the absolute hardest |
| 1195s | thing was to stop doing the thing i had |
| 1197s | been doing in eve for like three or four |
| 1200s | years every day |
| 1201s | and just say |
| 1203s | uh |
| 1204s | is everything fueled yeah yeah we got a |
| 1206s | month's worth in uh do we have enough |
| 1208s | liquid ozone yeah yeah we got it we got |
| 1210s | it and then to not go check like oh man |
| 1213s | that was really weird |
| 1215s | so |
| 1216s | giving up direct control of doing things |
| 1219s | is again |
| 1220s | like in life like in a real business |
| 1222s | people get promoted up the food chain |
| 1224s | because they're doing good at doing the |
| 1225s | job but at a point they become the |
| 1227s | manager they're not expected to do the |
| 1228s | job anymore |
| 1230s | it's just like that in eve |
| 1232s | you kind of go up the food chain and |
| 1234s | then you're in charge |
| 1235s | and suddenly |
| 1237s | uh |
| 1238s | you know you can't do that stuff anymore |
| 1241s | all right so i don't even know what time |
| 1243s | it is i don't know if i blew through |
| 1244s | this too fast uh |
| 1246s | but i'm open to any kind of questions |
| 1248s | you want to ask |
| 1250s | and i will |
| 1253s | i will try to answer them |
| 1259s | [Applause] |
| 1276s | check check okay good evening um |
| 1280s | we've uh we we monitor your channel a |
| 1282s | lot |
| 1283s | so uh although nothing brave |
| 1286s | um |
| 1287s | in many alliances the leader is the fc |
| 1291s | what do you think about that |
| 1294s | i think if it works for that group it's |
| 1296s | probably a good thing uh i i can barely |
| 1299s | fc anything i think the last thing i fc |
| 1301s | was like bringing atrons into 1dq so |
| 1306s | again it's very specific to your uh |
| 1309s | group |
| 1310s | of what you're all about um |
| 1313s | i |
| 1314s | i don't know how people do the fc'ing |
| 1315s | and they do all the other stuff you need |
| 1317s | to do with ceo myself but people |
| 1319s | obviously pull it off |
| 1320s | so if it works for your group go for it |
| 1323s | i personally can't do it |
| 1325s | i just can't pull that off and i don't |
| 1327s | know how to fc well |
| 1335s | hello i'm wake from init um sorry |
| 1339s | first of all thank you i would like to |
| 1341s | thank you for |
| 1342s | the way you behave in your sota et |
| 1344s | cetera that everybody can watch and you |
| 1346s | always always had a |
| 1348s | quite moderate uh |
| 1350s | position and not non-toxic etc as |
| 1353s | compared with some other alliance |
| 1355s | leaders who are constantly spinning |
| 1357s | their defeats i think of you work at |
| 1359s | your soul but i suppose he's not there |
| 1361s | today |
| 1362s | so i have just a very simple question |
| 1365s | and i admit it's it's not |
| 1367s | easy but just yes or no um do you think |
| 1370s | that brave choose the correct side |
| 1373s | uh during the war and if no no it's |
| 1377s | no it's a it's it's a fair question |
| 1380s | actually would you do the same if you |
| 1382s | were in the same situation or would you |
| 1384s | would you flip side what do you think |
| 1386s | about that |
| 1387s | well i have thought about this |
| 1388s | particular question |
| 1390s | an awful lot |
| 1392s | um and i would like to say i would have |
| 1394s | been smart and known how things were |
| 1396s | going to go |
| 1397s | and i would have said like we're going |
| 1398s | to opt out of this right in theory but |
| 1401s | then i'm being very honest with myself |
| 1404s | i i was 100 sure that goon morale was |
| 1408s | going to crack |
| 1409s | and i was going to scoop up all these |
| 1410s | corpse i had told the recruitment people |
| 1412s | get ready we're going to scoop up the |
| 1413s | corpse hey maybe let's go partner with |
| 1415s | initiative like i was sure they were |
| 1417s | going to crack |
| 1418s | so |
| 1419s | well i'd like to say i would be super |
| 1421s | smart and i was enforced into it and all |
| 1423s | this kind of stuff |
| 1424s | i i thought the morale would break like |
| 1427s | how could it not |
| 1428s | they were losing systems left and right |
| 1430s | the amount of titans that were getting |
| 1432s | brought like |
| 1434s | it just doesn't like |
| 1435s | it's a it's a crazy thing that it went |
| 1438s | the way it did |
| 1439s | i i can't be honest in saying in |
| 1441s | hindsight oh yeah i could have seen that |
| 1443s | coming like nobody could have seen that |
| 1445s | coming |
| 1446s | so okay thank you |
| 1451s | any other questions |
| 1458s | i i don't know if you're recruiting |
| 1466s | do you have |
| 1468s | any ideas or thoughts about |
| 1471s | shares as an online ceo |
| 1474s | yeah they're like share so the question |
| 1476s | is shares in so those that haven't seen |
| 1478s | the not touched since it launched |
| 1481s | corporation panels in eve |
| 1486s | there's this feature that probably made |
| 1488s | sense in the beginning that there were |
| 1489s | going to be shares of a corporation and |
| 1492s | we were somehow going to give dividends |
| 1494s | and it was going to be like a stock |
| 1495s | market |
| 1496s | and you know i think still hilmar still |
| 1499s | wants it to happen somehow i don't know |
| 1501s | but it's like this most dangerous thing |
| 1503s | in the world because if you don't |
| 1504s | understand the mechanic and you get a |
| 1506s | director and they can like create shares |
| 1508s | and like |
| 1509s | dunks going on holiday let's take over |
| 1511s | the alliance like |
| 1513s | like |
| 1514s | i don't know i mean maybe it's just one |
| 1517s | of those like eve is hard suck it up but |
| 1520s | seems like a really weird feature that |
| 1522s | uh has been abused in the past that i |
| 1526s | i would love to trade shares with a |
| 1528s | corporate and have dividends work all |
| 1529s | that way it's just |
| 1530s | it's like about |
| 1532s | one-fifth baked at this time 19 years |
| 1534s | later so |
| 1536s | not a fan |
| 1543s | any other questions |
| 1546s | oh here they come |
| 1550s | i'm some andy i'm in it as well um i |
| 1553s | just wondered do you have any how do you |
| 1556s | see the future of nausic at the moment |
| 1559s | because obviously they're still |
| 1562s | is still crystallizing shall we say |
| 1564s | what's going to happen do you have any |
| 1565s | idea and where do you see brave in that |
| 1568s | future you know you just seem to be |
| 1570s | getting solving things again which is |
| 1572s | great it's nice to see building up is |
| 1574s | you know where do you see |
| 1576s | the political picture if you like of eve |
| 1578s | at the moment |
| 1579s | well for brave right now my sole goal is |
| 1582s | to not get evicted again so um |
| 1586s | that's what i'm trying to do and then |
| 1589s | for |
| 1590s | the rest of eve and i've made my |
| 1592s | thoughts on this public so it's nothing |
| 1594s | new |
| 1595s | right now the way the game is designed |
| 1597s | and the mechanics of the design are |
| 1600s | the optimal thing to do is to join the |
| 1602s | largest possible group you can and so |
| 1604s | we've seen the creation of these mega |
| 1606s | coalitions |
| 1608s | um you know there's three or four major |
| 1610s | coalitions now that are just enormous |
| 1613s | and um |
| 1614s | it's hard to argue that it's not the |
| 1617s | right economic security all the right |
| 1619s | move is to join one of these mega |
| 1621s | coalitions |
| 1623s | if we hadn't been burnt so hard and so |
| 1625s | like uh |
| 1627s | you know uh |
| 1631s | damaged by what we did in the war |
| 1634s | it would make sense to do it so the game |
| 1636s | reinforces the idea that |
| 1638s | security is best when you have as many |
| 1641s | supers and titans as possible uh you |
| 1643s | have the best uh industry you have the |
| 1645s | best things rigged because you have the |
| 1647s | money coming in so right now that's a |
| 1650s | game design thing that is reinforcing |
| 1652s | these mega coalitions i have no idea how |
| 1655s | to fix it |
| 1656s | but i just see that continuing on for |
| 1658s | the next until something changes at that |
| 1660s | level |
| 1662s | um rowa so |
| 1665s | we know each other very well so i have a |
| 1667s | couple questions for you um first |
| 1670s | what would be |
| 1671s | in your eyes that your biggest failure |
| 1674s | and also your biggest success in game |
| 1679s | uh |
| 1680s | biggest failure |
| 1683s | um |
| 1685s | well there's probably two things that |
| 1686s | come to mind one is basically when we |
| 1688s | were falling apart catch like not being |
| 1690s | honest with people about what's going on |
| 1692s | um and then the second thing was jumping |
| 1694s | into m2 with my titan |
| 1700s | um |
| 1702s | yeah yeah i've only done the work in the |
| 1704s | build once |
| 1705s | um |
| 1707s | i think the the biggest thing is still |
| 1708s | what's going on now like uh when it was |
| 1711s | last august and you were there |
| 1713s | i didn't know that brave was going to |
| 1715s | survive |
| 1716s | we had lost |
| 1718s | every structure we had lost |
| 1720s | corpse |
| 1722s | norman quit |
| 1724s | everything was falling apart |
| 1725s | we didn't have a huge war chest of like |
| 1728s | isc |
| 1729s | to lean on |
| 1730s | and |
| 1731s | i had to basically beg for some space |
| 1734s | just to like |
| 1735s | go to |
| 1737s | from other groups and if they had said |
| 1738s | no i don't know what would have happened |
| 1740s | the fact that it's what nine months |
| 1743s | later and we have a place to live and we |
| 1745s | have some regions and our wallets going |
| 1748s | up |
| 1749s | in my view it's a goddamn miracle right |
| 1752s | i kind of feel like i want to like okay |
| 1754s | like i want to finish the season and |
| 1755s | walk away as ceo and like say somebody |
| 1758s | else handle the rest right because |
| 1760s | um |
| 1761s | so |
| 1762s | just not falling apart like we watched |
| 1764s | so many groups and legacy fall apart |
| 1766s | we've seen other groups since the war |
| 1768s | ended that weren't even really in it |
| 1769s | fall apart like |
| 1771s | it's uh |
| 1772s | it's rough to keep an alliance together |
| 1774s | and you had corpse leave you had corpse |
| 1776s | not that many join but it's getting |
| 1777s | better and there's |
| 1779s | constant change right |
| 1780s | yeah you got to be okay with chains yeah |
| 1782s | like it's going to be constant and and |
| 1784s | the other the other question i have for |
| 1785s | you is that um like you i'm i'm rowa |
| 1789s | from from industrial uh mining and |
| 1791s | mayhem my son and i started the corp |
| 1793s | together so we kind of have some of the |
| 1796s | shared experiences that you're talking |
| 1797s | about as an alliance ceo but just as ceo |
| 1801s | in in our corp and so |
| 1803s | i know that in game you have |
| 1806s | different aspects and different |
| 1808s | viewpoints of how the game is if you're |
| 1810s | a pirate you have specific if you're an |
| 1813s | industrialist you have this view |
| 1815s | what's the biggest thing that you would |
| 1816s | like to see changed |
| 1818s | in game |
| 1820s | with your viewpoint as a ceo of an |
| 1822s | alliance |
| 1826s | um |
| 1829s | well the easy answer is like i'd love to |
| 1831s | see the m3 of everything in the game |
| 1832s | smaller to make hauling easier |
| 1835s | but um |
| 1840s | take note devs the popularity of that so |
| 1842s | you want to you want to be ant-man |
| 1844s | yeah i would like the ant-man ray um |
| 1849s | i think |
| 1851s | and again i don't have an answer to this |
| 1853s | right like uh brave is a big group i |
| 1856s | can't complain that we weren't given a |
| 1858s | fair share but we got by because i had a |
| 1860s | reserve of people that like we lost a |
| 1862s | bunch of people but i still had enough |
| 1864s | people to defend things and we could |
| 1865s | anchor fortizars and do stuff if you're |
| 1867s | starting a new alliance if you're |
| 1869s | starting a new corp and you're trying to |
| 1871s | do some of these things in eve right now |
| 1872s | like ankara fortizar |
| 1874s | unless you're beholden to someone unless |
| 1876s | you have an agreement with someone it's |
| 1878s | not happening and so there's like a gap |
| 1881s | between the people who have enough power |
| 1882s | to play the big game in eve |
| 1885s | and then everybody else |
| 1887s | and then you know my concern with these |
| 1889s | new structure changes is it's really |
| 1891s | hard to make the leap to |
| 1893s | i don't have any space i don't have any |
| 1895s | solve to i can anchor a fortazar like |
| 1898s | that gap is a big gap so i don't know |
| 1900s | how to solve it but i think that's what |
| 1902s | i would like to see is |
| 1903s | that a hundred people could get together |
| 1905s | and take some space and do some stuff |
| 1907s | and have fun and get into the into the |
| 1910s | into the big game of eve |
| 1912s | thanks doug |
| 1913s | [Applause] |
| 1919s | all right any other questions or |
| 1924s | did i do that |
| 1926s | do you see an opportunity |
| 1928s | with the uh announced faction warfare |
| 1931s | development |
| 1932s | outline |
| 1933s | for a group like yours to see a |
| 1936s | resurgence in sort of a feeder and and |
| 1939s | new player development corporation with |
| 1941s | how faction warfare is going to be |
| 1943s | you're going to allow to be dedicated |
| 1945s | your alliance or other groups to faction |
| 1947s | warfare in the future |
| 1950s | uh the the devil's in the details i'm |
| 1951s | real excited to see you know what the |
| 1953s | idea is if there's the ability to uh |
| 1957s | hey i'm in brave but i want to go also |
| 1959s | fight for the caldari and that's just my |
| 1961s | personal choice and it doesn't trigger |
| 1963s | the whole alliance can't go into gal uh |
| 1965s | kalente space it might be awesome |
| 1969s | uh i think the devil's in the details uh |
| 1972s | instantly when i heard it |
| 1974s | when aurora was talking about it was |
| 1977s | i'm going to have one pilot on the |
| 1978s | galente side and another pilot on the |
| 1980s | caldari side and they're going to fight |
| 1982s | each other and then they're going to |
| 1983s | argue and then they're going to come to |
| 1984s | me to solve the problem |
| 1986s | so |
| 1988s | i think i think there's |
| 1991s | i think there's hr managers across new |
| 1994s | eden right now just like |
| 1996s | face palming like how like they can't |
| 1998s | even mine in the same system what are we |
| 2000s | going to do |
| 2001s | the factional warfare |
| 2006s | i have another one um |
| 2008s | is there like a leader back channel |
| 2010s | where you guys bring each other problems |
| 2013s | and speak somewhat off the record like |
| 2016s | if you say my alliance or coalition is |
| 2018s | having this problem and i |
| 2020s | want to know ways to solve it and you |
| 2023s | can actually talk to these other leaders |
| 2024s | without them going back to their |
| 2026s | corporations saying how do we exploit |
| 2028s | this is there any discussion about |
| 2030s | learning from each other from that or is |
| 2032s | eve way too cutthroat it's far too |
| 2034s | machiavellian like for that |
| 2037s | i mean everything is a transaction right |
| 2039s | like |
| 2041s | if i want some information from nora's |
| 2043s | like i gotta give some information back |
| 2045s | like it's transactional it's |
| 2046s | machiavellian we can still be friends |
| 2048s | and respectful uh to each other |
| 2051s | but it's not |
| 2053s | it's it's not like we're holding hands |
| 2054s | in preschool and like let's solve the |
| 2056s | problems |
| 2057s | um |
| 2058s | i'm just being honest like everyone |
| 2060s | wants an advantage everyone wants a leg |
| 2062s | up |
| 2063s | um |
| 2064s | you will uh do a lot of you know hey did |
| 2067s | you see this cool thing that happened |
| 2069s | and that starts a conversation then you |
| 2070s | slide in what you actually need to know |
| 2072s | there's a there's a lot of that kind of |
| 2074s | stuff right or you get on the csm and |
| 2076s | get them drunk at night and ask them |
| 2077s | questions |
| 2082s | any other questions |
| 2090s | so the question was have you ever had an |
| 2092s | off the record conversation had it |
| 2094s | respected it does happen to some degree |
| 2096s | if you can agree to it those will |
| 2098s | typically not be in discord in chat |
| 2101s | where someone can screenshot it it would |
| 2102s | typically be hey let's just talk on the |
| 2105s | phone about this and then you'll have a |
| 2108s | voice conversation with someone right |
| 2110s | um |
| 2111s | so it does happen |
| 2113s | um |
| 2114s | you know last night we were at the |
| 2116s | lebowski bar |
| 2117s | and |
| 2118s | there was a bunch of influential people |
| 2120s | hanging out drinking beers with their |
| 2121s | heads together like it's you know |
| 2124s | yeah so it does it does it does happen |
| 2127s | from time to time it's just not the norm |
| 2129s | and i could never go to somebody |
| 2132s | if it was a broad problem like hey the |
| 2134s | esi is messed up how did you guys solve |
| 2136s | it like yeah i can ask that |
| 2138s | i can't say like uh this fc did this how |
| 2141s | do you treat fcs that suck like like you |
| 2143s | can't ask that |
| 2148s | yeah all fcs are awesome |
| 2156s | um i have a question about inactives yes |
| 2158s | so when you notice that players are not |
| 2161s | logging in or maybe corpse |
| 2164s | entire corpse aren't logging in |
| 2166s | what do you think is the right amount of |
| 2168s | time to wait to see if they come back |
| 2171s | um on on the one hand you might think oh |
| 2174s | it's nice to have lots of numbers in my |
| 2175s | corp or my alliance |
| 2177s | but on the other hand if you notice that |
| 2178s | people aren't logging in you kind of |
| 2180s | want to kick them maybe |
| 2182s | what's the right |
| 2183s | how do you deal with inactives |
| 2185s | i'm probably the wrong person in the |
| 2187s | wrong alliance to ask this question |
| 2189s | because we're notorious for having not |
| 2191s | had any kind of activity kick or things |
| 2193s | like that we just recently did do one |
| 2195s | though because like |
| 2197s | our numbers on dotland of how many |
| 2199s | people we had didn't really reflect so i |
| 2201s | think we went back like two years if you |
| 2203s | hadn't logged in in like two years |
| 2206s | and you didn't like for us it's like if |
| 2207s | you don't have a title or we didn't have |
| 2209s | some reason that you were like part of |
| 2210s | the original crew or that like trying to |
| 2213s | you have a titan or a super somewhere we |
| 2215s | um we were like |
| 2217s | we're going to do this thing if it's |
| 2218s | your alt like let us know and then we |
| 2220s | purged several thousand people |
| 2223s | in a day so we don't do it as |
| 2224s | religiously as some groups |
| 2227s | other groups are just absolutely |
| 2229s | by the book ruthless about it and it |
| 2231s | works for them but |
| 2232s | it's just a lot of goddamn work to keep |
| 2234s | track of like |
| 2236s | who logged in when and you know whose |
| 2238s | alt is this but |
| 2241s | and then the funny thing is every once |
| 2242s | in a while we'll do a purge and then |
| 2244s | i'll get a note from somebody in another |
| 2245s | line it's like man you kicked my spy |
| 2248s | you know he'd been there for years you |
| 2250s | know |
| 2253s | okay |
| 2255s | other topics |
| 2258s | all right i think uh we're gonna oh you |
| 2260s | have a question |
| 2261s | the question is how are my bees my bees |
| 2263s | are very good |
| 2264s | i'm gonna when i go home i'll be able to |
| 2267s | go inspect them see how they're doing i |
| 2268s | have very good climate for my bees so |
| 2271s | they're pulling in honey already which |
| 2272s | is awesome |
| 2274s | i wish i was hearing for more evidently |
| 2276s | there's icelandic beekeepers so i would |
| 2278s | love to see that |
| 2281s | okay |
| 2282s | with that i will wrap this up i really |
| 2283s | appreciate you coming sitting through |
| 2285s | the technical difficulties at the |
| 2287s | beginning |
| 2288s | have a great fan fest thank you |
| 2311s | you |