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[2019] I have figured out why Class Freak isnt helping with the negative effects of Speed Demon


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It is well known that Class Freak isnt helping to negate the negative effects of Speed Demon mutation but Bethesda doesnt appear to know why.

I have just taken a Speed Demon and Eagle Eyes serums and this is a screen shot from directly afterwards.https://i.imgur.com/usJ9hJL.png

Mutations have a positive effect and a negative effect. When you first take a serum, the negative effect is suppressed and the negative effect isnt showing (hence why you dont see the -4 STR from Eagle Eyes).

But you can still see the +50% Hunger/Thirst showing when it should be suppressed.

Therefore the issue is the game is recognizing the +50% Hunger/Thirst as a POSITIVE effect, not a negative one.

That is why it's not being supressed when you first consume your serum and that is why Class Freak isnt affecting it.

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almost 5 years ago - /u/Valseek - Direct link

Hi! Thanks for your report. We're currently aware of this issue, but the latest information I have on this one is that it's a visual bug. Class Freak should still be suppressing Speed Demon's increased hunger/thirst effect, but the Effects menu in the Pip-Boy isn't updating correctly to match the decrease.

It's on our radar and we'll let you know once we have more details to share about a fix.

Thanks!

almost 5 years ago - /u/Valseek - Direct link

Originally posted by jaj22

There are four different bugs with Speed Demon:

  1. Class Freak doesn't have an effect on it, because Class Freak only affects the spell magnitude, and the Speed Demon penalty doesn't use its spell magnitude. The spell just adds a perk that adjusts hunger/thirst spell magnitudes by a flat multiplier of 1.4x. Grounded had an identical bug before it was fixed a couple of patches back by writing the Class Freak effect explicitly into the Grounded perk.
  2. The actual adjustment is 1.4x (or +40%), while the text and the spell magnitude are 50%.
  3. The pip-boy text doesn't care about the spell magnitude, so it doesn't reduce to -12%.
  4. The pip-boy text doesn't care about serum suppression.

Don't let the text bugs distract you from the real one.

Thanks for the added details, I'll make sure this is taken into account as we continue to look into this.

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