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Following the reception of the finale of the Icebrood Saga, and especially exacerbated by some louder voices in the community and on YT, some players are understandably uncertain of the long term future of GW2.

While "game is dying" has been said since roughly launch in 2012, we've had notable moments of this feeling perpetuating the playerbase a little more strongly - the last major one being just after the announcement of the Icebrood Saga itself. (In fact, I took a long break from the game after that for that very reason, and didn't return seriously until EoD was announced).

Though it's obviously still some idle speculation, I believe (as I think many do) that the call to create EoD came from above ArenaNet, with NCSoft looking at the bottom line and dropping the ultimatum - we need expansion level cash or we can't keep things going. That's not unusual or weird, every MMO needs to keep bringing in money and IBS just didn't land as well as ArenaNet had hoped, which I think is fairly obvious given the reception to the "show" they tried to put on about it in its live announcement.

Does that mean the End of Dragons is the End of the Game as well? Not at all. If EoD brings in sufficient cash, the studio likely will be able to keep going as they always have. But therein lies the dilemma: If they want the most players to buy into it, the element they need to land in their presentation is that this is not the end and there's plenty of reason to invest your time and money once again. The more faith people have in the game and its future, the more excited they will be to invest and tell their friends to jump in, and thus the more promising the future is.

So one very important box that ArenaNet failed to check in the IBS announcement, and will need to check in this one: To announce, even vaguely, the intentions for the future. "In the months that follow the launch of End of Dragons, we will launch the next season of Living World." That's good. Even better? Add on: "And, of course, a portion of our team will get back to work to bring you the next great Expansion for GW2."

That's all that needs to be said. I'll take either - I just hope this is one mistake that ArenaNet will actually learn from. I love GW2 and want to continue to play it excitedly, so let's all hope the message to them is clear and they give the players what they need to hear.

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almost 3 years ago - /u/BobbyStein - Direct link

It's been stated publicly before, so I'll just remind people that End of Dragons isn't the end of the story. See Rubi's post. New Expansion Teaser – Guild Wars 2: End of Dragons - [Merged] - Page 2 - Guild Wars 2 Discussion - Guild Wars 2 Forums

almost 3 years ago - /u/BobbyStein - Direct link

Originally posted by Day2Dan

Thanks for replying, Bobby! Many of us have seen Rubi's post, but I clearly should have referenced it directly in my initial post regardless.

I'll refrain from attempting to speak for everyone but at least I feel that when you all are putting on your livestream show and have the eyes and ears of people who are not entrenched in the game and keeping tabs on the forums, it's a great time to dive perhaps just a little more concretely into how the rest of the story will manifest itself in the coming months/years. :)

No worries! Yeah, a little reminder goes a long way. Thanks for that.

I realize that folks are sharing lots of thoughts and opinions on the game and its future lately so I just wanted to be clear that we've already stated that there's more to come. (I think the community sometimes forgets we read Reddit, the forums, YouTube comments, Twitter, etc. but can't/won't always weigh in for fear of intruding on the discourse.)

Anyway, carry on. Apologies if I derailed the discussion. :)

almost 3 years ago - /u/BobbyStein - Direct link

Originally posted by TheGreatAl

It’s still not clear if ‘not the end of the story’ is equivalent to ‘not the end of the game’. There could be plenty of Guild Wars story left to tell, but in a medium other than Guild Wars 2.

Maybe this is meant to be implied by your post and I am just being naive, but I think it’d go a long way to hear you say that EoD isn’t meant to be the end of Guild Wars 2.

Edited for clarity: As of now, from what I've been told by those who make these decisions, it's not the end of the game, either.

(Others farther down the post kept asking for more specifics so I hope this clears it up. Please remember that I'm a dev, not someone in marketing or someone making executive product decisions. I'm merely relaying information that I was told and that I was explicitly given permission to say because I wanted to say it.)

almost 3 years ago - /u/BobbyStein - Direct link

Originally posted by Kyouji

I think the community sometimes forgets we read

Its not that we forget, its just you guys don't speak anymore. When nothing gets said for months what else are we supposed to assume?

Back when the game was fresh and new the devs would host a AMA on every release and talk about the patch so much. Nowadays we might get something from a dev once a month. So I'm sure you can understand why we think you don't read anything.

I hear ya.

almost 3 years ago - /u/BobbyStein - Direct link

Originally posted by ProofIndependence3

Might want to add a "As it stands now:" before your statement. We've seen how quickly A.Net can change their direction (or be forced to do so).

My advice to everyone is, look forward to EoD and enjoy it for what it is and treat it like it is the end of the "saga" or whatever you want to call it. After that we will most likely see more LS content in which A.Net is, once again, trying something new to "improve" content delivery.

Good point. I edited my original post to reflect that.

almost 3 years ago - /u/BobbyStein - Direct link

Originally posted by Pokefreak911

Its just such a hard thing for us to believe because of course the company is going to tell us its not the end of the game, they still have a product to sell. Until End of Dragons is out and we have a roadmap as to the future of the game, this will be a continual thought in the backs of our minds.

I understand. Thanks for sharing that.

almost 3 years ago - /u/BobbyStein - Direct link

Originally posted by Guildwars1996

I think people are just pulling stuff out of thin air like the fact the name of the expansion is End of Dragons and GW2 is supposedly about the Dragons (ignoring the fact we have fought Scarlet, Balthazar, Joko and Caudecus separate from the dragon story). I have faith the game will keep going but the company does need to try and relay this information to the community because people are going to keep saying this and it will put new players off who see someone guessing "oh after EoD GW2 is over no more updates" this will make new players think "well whats the point in starting". Also I think the finale of Icebrood has played a part because it felt so low. Keep up the good work none the less Bobby and the whole team at Anet I can't wait for EoD, Cantha and whats to come afterwards for years to come I hope. As for the finale is there anyway we can get an idea of how it came around because I'm sure you saw the negative feedback behind it (I enjoyed the idea of the content but storywise it was a bit weak) I just think this could help the playerbase understand why you went the way you did with Judgement?

I try to read/watch as much feedback about the releases as possible. I'm obviously mostly concerned with the story comments but I try to take it all in. Quite honestly, it helps me understand what people care about and gives me ideas on how to potentially improve. A lot of devs do this.

I may be doing another Guild Chat in the future. If I do, I'll think about providing some context if I'm able. Thanks for the tip.

almost 3 years ago - /u/BobbyStein - Direct link

Originally posted by Pokefreak911

Hey Bobby, I'm really sorry about the pessimism. With the more recent news (specifically about the Direct X upgrade) it has changed how I feel about everything. Looking forward to July 27th!

Thanks for the updated reply! It's so rare that folks follow up on their posts if/when their opinions change. This was nice to see. :)

Hoping that folks like what they see on the 27th. We're excited, too.