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Some Context:

I spent the last 4 months in this game farming materials/gold to make Twilight and Sunrise. The plan was to unlock both skins, then combine them into Eternity and sell Eternity on the TP. I would then use the Gold to fund crafting Ipos/Xiuquatl and convert some of it to gems.

The Problem:

After the most recent patch (with Sigil/Runes Legendary Rework) , I was ready to sell the Eternity, however, I accidentally clicked 'Remove Sigil'. This removed the Sigil of Leeching from Eternity and made the Eternity un-postable on the TP.

There was no 'This action will make this weapon account bound' prompt with a 'cancel' or 'ok' option, the sigil was just removed. Also, the Eternity skin was not unlocked in my account wardrobe.

Attempting to place the sigil back in prompts a 'Upgrading an item will make it Account Bound to you', that's why I'm sure the weapon is still not account bound, just unlistable on the TP.

Contacting Support:

I can post the chat logs if anyone wants to see them, but basically, support says that they do not have the technology to remove the Eternity and Sigil (and gifting me a new one) from my account without unlocking the skin for me, so I'm stuck with it. I tried to follow up with a few replies but they were adamant on their stance and I eventually gave up on the ticket and decided to post here instead.

Some screenshots of the Eternity and the Sigil:

https://imgur.com/a/GUuwfCi

Final Words:

Yes, I did misclick the removal of the sigil, but the fact that there was no confirmation window feels like this is an unintended feature. I have played this game since 2014, put a lot of hours into it and crafting Eternity, and it feels like a kick in the face to not receive any help regarding this problem.

Edit: Proof that I do not have Eternity unlocked as a skin and the ticket, names redacted.

https://imgur.com/IUzXApx

https://imgur.com/Od8QLS1

https://imgur.com/zrBcSEr

https://imgur.com/pXnzuIY

Edit2:

I asked again in the ticket if placing the weapon and sigil on my keyfarmer/useless toon and delete said toon would they be able to gift me another Eternity (as suggested by others in the comments).

This was their response: https://imgur.com/a/qt3w4n0

I'm not sure what to do next :(

Edit3:

Further replies: https://imgur.com/a/SjhhxeB

As proven in the screenshots, the item isn't account bound and I do not have the Eternity skin unlocked, so I'm unsure why they would say ' The binding of the item was intended. Even though the skin wasn't unlocked, when the object is altered it becomes bound. As such, we are unable to assist further with this matter. '

Edit4:

https://imgur.com/a/4dEiyfk

This might be the last reply I get from this GM, and they are still adamant on their stance.

I requested to escalate the matter.

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about 5 years ago - /u/Dornsinger - Direct link

Originally posted by Blackops606

Maybe /u/dornsinger will see this and be able to help you out. Based on what I see, it looks like you and Anet both made mistakes. You made a mistake by clicking something you should have kind of known would screw things up and Anet's technology (not having a warning prompt) should be better.

At this point, the ticket seems to be handled correctly. Deleting items unlock their skins - so that's NOT something that should be done in this case. When we ask a user to throw something away for a replacement, it's stuff that won't give you a skin unlock.

Aside from that, I can only direct to the ticket, this isn't something to solve on reddit.

about 5 years ago - /u/Dornsinger - Direct link

Originally posted by Skelldy

Wow, its word for word.

'Customer Support does not have the ability to unbind items or remove the item in a way that would not grant you the skins for this weapon.' I'm pretty sure this is false as others have stated in the comments. We can place the bugged weapons on a useless toon and delete it and not unlock the skin, and later have support gift a new version of the weapons.

I understand people wishing things weren't as they said they are, but comments such as "the CS team is lazy" or "they are lying" are not helpful - and in fact untrue.

Deleted characters can be restored, as such, deleting the character with items on it doers not remove the item from the game.

about 5 years ago - /u/Dornsinger - Direct link

Originally posted by Pokefreak911

Does deleting a character with a locked skin on them unlock the skin? I know a worry there is that they could just recover that character through support at some later time, but is there a way to put a mark on that character at all? I have absolutely no idea of your systems just trying to throw ideas out there.

I appreciate you trying to pitch ideas, I really do. I hate to come off as 'rude' to users, but whenever these ideas get thrown, we have indeed already thought about them in the past.

No, we cannot flag a deleted character, as they are in a deleted state. No, there is no way to 'super delete' a character, either. It can be reclaimed, unless it gets corrupted, and there is no way of intentionally corrupting a character.

about 5 years ago - /u/Dornsinger - Direct link

Originally posted by Pokefreak911

Sorry, didn't mean to act like I knew better. A lot of us see situations like this and because we don't understand how the backend works we make assumptions. Most of us don't mean bad, we just clueless as to what does and doesn't work. In any case though, the OP did make a mistake due to an oversight in the game and it doesn't seem fair that he is punished for that.

You're fine, you're fine. :3

Just wanted to stress that when we say NO, we don't do it for a lark.

about 5 years ago - /u/Dornsinger - Direct link

Originally posted by Pyroatheist

Sure, but you'd have to go through with a customer service action to restore said deleted character, it's not like a customer can do that unilaterally. Do you not have any kind of flag you can place on an account to provide information in case of further tickets that would avoid that kind of issue?

We do not have a flag to prevent character undeletion.

about 5 years ago - /u/Dornsinger - Direct link

Originally posted by Periproct

Then flag that character so that Support know to never restore it. Let’s not forget that the whole reason why OP is having to contact Support is because of a bug that caused the item to become bound with no confirmation box

We have no means of doing so, as stated previously. Believe me, we'd have a process for that, if it were an option.

about 5 years ago - /u/GMMagister - Direct link

Originally posted by TygerPsiMatrix

First pic in the album provided proves it and AFAIK deleting an item doesn't unlock the skin unless that changed at some point and I missed it.

Unfortunately, deleting an item (at least for Legendary weapons) does unlock the skin. :(

about 5 years ago - /u/GMMagister - Direct link

Originally posted by hungryarmadillo

Pretty crappy when you don't have a confirmation dialogue for it. This is Anets mistake, not the players. IMO, Fix the dialogue interface, have this guy delete the item, gift him a new one and he gets the skin for free because ANET screwed up. That's really how customer service should work. We messed up, here is a small restitution for your trouble. Its also a small reward for bringing the problem to your attention before there are 10,000 other players who do the same thing and reddit pulls out the torches and pitchforks and it becomes the next major debacle in all of gameing news like Fallout 76 or other things anet has done in the past. That's just my opinion from a customer service standpoint.

If you guys sit on your hands and do nothing this has the potential to be the next big thing. It's not like you are giving out 10,000 free legendary skins..... Yet.

This is actually resolved already, and has been since very shortly after the Legendary Rune and Sigil patch - unfortunately, a few people managed to stumble across the issue in the meantime. The game will no longer allow players to remove a sigil from an unbound Legendary.

If someone comes across another case where they are able to end up in this weird state, please let me know so I can alert the team.

As for what is being done to resolve the issue for the users who encountered the problem - we're working on it. OP doesn't seem to have updated the post yet, but we have replied letting them know we're investigating a solution.

about 5 years ago - /u/GMMagister - Direct link

Originally posted by ninja_slothreddit

Fix the dialogue interface

There's the real issue here. They don't want to/can't fix it, so easier to just shrug off the problem.

It was fixed last week. Players should no longer be able to remove sigils from unbound legendaries.