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I think it has been well established that the Winnie is an underutilised rifle that barely anyone touches.
The nerf of 1.0 and subsequent rise of monetary income for many hunters has made it rather obsolete.

The other thing holding the Winnie back (apart from the absymal ROF without Iron Repeater which thankfully only costs 2 upgrade points) is the awful state that compact ammo is currently in.
Hear me out.
Compact ammo in this game has become a joke. Tell me one weapon that is not the Bornheim that is great to use with compact ammo.
The Nagant Officer and its variants, yes. Why is that? Because of a good ROF, just like the Bornheim.
The normal Nagant however, just like the Caldwell Conversion Pistol and the LeMat Mark II usually feel awful and I rarely see people use anything besides the semi-auto pistols or Uppercut/Pax. They're only picked for fanning and even there, most guys I see use the Pax because it feels perfectly fine. Their ROF is not high enough to justify the comparatively low damage output per shot.

So why is compact ammo weaponry so underutilised? Because damage dropoff of compact ammo weapons is ludicrously high.

I am not sure how accurate this chart is anymore

but it clearly shows the massive drop between 20m and 30m from 1.0 dmg to 0.7 (!). Meaning from 30m on you might aswell shoot wet tissues at the enemy which (to bring me back to my original point) is awful on the Winfield and defeats any purpose this gun might have. Want to be a close quarters killer? Use Shotguns, Crossbows, fanning or hell, the long ammo rifles hurt like a bitch when you hit (slower ROF gets balanced by the generally massive damage per shot).
Mid-range? Take any medium ammo weapon like Vetterli, Springfield, long ammo rifles (again) and you will outshoot any Winfield user.
We don't need to talk about long range since the long ammo rifle meta (+Bornheim/Dolch sidearm for quick disposal) has long been established.

So what do I actually want from all of that? A change. Move the damage dropoff of compact and medium weapons from 20m to 30m and keep the graph from there. Or perhaps give the Winfield less damage dropoff than the compact ammo sidearms along with a damage buff from 85 to 90/95. Make compact ammo useful again in a game where long ammo has dominated since release (and honestly why wouldn't it? People have so much money now that everyone and their grandma can use Mosins and Lebels, or hell Sparks/Martinis) and where a significant amount of gunfights happen on mid-range (which for me is somewhere between 25-50m). A range where the Winfield already feels like a joke. I don't expect to outdamage a Mosin player on 60m+, but for god's sake if my buddy and me put 4 shots into someone who is 40m away (2 from Winnie, 2 from Vetterli) and he is STILL up and running without having healed once, then something has to be wrong.
Moving the damage dropoff graphs for both compact and medium ammo would also mean that more people pick up medium ammo weapons like the Springfield or Vetterli, both of which are used mostly by new players or people who recently prestiged and don't have access to long ammo rifles yet (At least from my experience, this can of course differ regarding your server location and ELO level).
Long ammo should only really excel at LONG ranges whilst also keeping their high damage per shot at the cost of less ammo and usually a slower ROF.

If you have other suggestions in regards to compact ammo in general - or the Winfield in particular - (fanning perk for it all fine and dandy but it still is not a good primary weapon even for 30m engagements), please post them down in the comments and let's have a discussion about it.

TL;DR: Winfield and compact + medium ammo damage dropoff starting from 1.0 at 20m to 0.7 at 30m is too brutal and should (imo) be moved to 30/40m respectively to make compact ammo weapons (revolvers) and the Winfield in particular more viable in close to mid range engagements, aswell as making weapons like Vetterli more enticing to use in midrange engagements.

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We have some plans for 1.3. ;)