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| 240s | you |
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| 248s | good day everyone we have a guest here - |
| 252s | you haven't seen before we're having |
| 258s | Floria and he's our lead character |
| 259s | artist so we're gonna go a little bit in |
| 262s | depth of our character creation so we're |
| 265s | gonna take a look at like the hunters |
| 266s | and the spider and just how that's done |
| 271s | and how we get from you know point A to |
| 274s | B from concept to actual in-game asset |
| 277s | but yeah do you want to do a little |
| 279s | introduction about yourself |
| 281s | absolutely so yeah I'm on the lead |
| 286s | character artist on hunt I've been with |
| 288s | the project since we got it here in |
| 290s | Frankfurt um right so what is the |
| 293s | character is to do we're basically the |
| 295s | guys that model and texture all the you |
| 300s | know characters creatures people animals |
| 303s | anything of that sort |
| 305s | you find in the game obviously to |
| 309s | actually get a kick to the work um |
| 311s | there's a whole bunch of other |
| 312s | departments involved where literature's |
| 314s | the guys for modeling them then you also |
| 317s | have you know from just the Arts site to |
| 320s | get into work animators obviously to get |
| 323s | them to move tech art for the rigging |
| 325s | sort of you know actually being able for |
| 328s | them to move and obviously concept art |
| 331s | is to you know design the characters so |
| 338s | right now we have five hundreds myself |
| 341s | is delete and then we have a character |
| 343s | director who basically oversees all |
| 345s | these departments so that'll be the norm |
| 348s | on he's in charge of most artists but |
| 351s | then also the animators |
| 353s | tech art concept art okay well I guess |
| 356s | we'll just dive into what we have |
| 358s | prepared so you have a lot of stuff |
| 360s | prepared and I also know we're gonna |
| 363s | take a look at some of the programs that |
| 364s | we use you use but that you used to |
| 368s | create the characters so this is really |
| 372s | gonna be about the processes so we're |
| 374s | going to talk about the design side of |
| 377s | things like designing characters and |
| 379s | then how we actually build them |
| 381s | and as you already mentioned let's start |
| 385s | with the hunters so you've already you |
| 388s | know you're familiar with these guys we |
| 391s | have two three tiers two one dudes |
| 393s | inexperienced not really prepared for |
| 397s | what they're getting themselves into |
| 400s | white shirts the white shirts there you |
| 403s | go |
| 404s | then we have Tier two much more |
| 406s | experienced veterans they're much cooler |
| 409s | and they are much more professional in |
| 412s | what they're doing |
| 414s | so yeah these are sort of like villains |
| 418s | or heroes in like a contemporary cowboy |
| 421s | movie if you want to think about them |
| 422s | that way and then q3 we have our real |
| 426s | badasses like these are the most |
| 428s | experienced the most ruthless hunters |
| 432s | you can encounter right now obviously we |
| 436s | didn't just come up with that was a bit |
| 439s | of a process to getting to this point |
| 443s | everything basically started with us |
| 446s | figuring out what is the archetypical |
| 451s | hunter like just figuring out okay what |
| 453s | makes a dude that goes out into the |
| 457s | swamp and tries to kill monsters what |
| 461s | does that look like and well this going |
| 465s | under center that would be it right now |
| 470s | to get to him like it was a whole bunch |
| 473s | of iteration a lot of trying things |
| 476s | trying to figure out what are we |
| 478s | actually trying to do here um like down |
| 481s | here you see some very early ideas which |
| 484s | were probably a little bit too classy um |
| 489s | maybe not but a fancy dress for the |
| 492s | value I think it was also a bit too too |
| 494s | generic and a little bit lacking in |
| 496s | terms of like just moodiness like it was |
| 500s | a bit too yeah like hunt is a pretty |
| 505s | dark and grim game and you know these |
| 508s | guys don't really sell that so um the |
| 513s | next step would have pain to actually |
| 514s | you know |
| 516s | these guys you're on the left you know |
| 518s | there are not really detailed concepts |
| 521s | this is really just illustration is |
| 522s | trying to get an idea get a mood really |
| 527s | and well once we have that once we knew |
| 532s | what we're going for |
| 533s | so you know you have a cowboy here but |
| 536s | there's a certain kind of mystery a |
| 538s | darkness to it as well and basically |
| 543s | that was once we have that okay we want |
| 546s | to go for this now obviously as I said |
| 550s | okay this isn't really fleshed out this |
| 551s | is just a sketch pretty much but already |
| 555s | very close to the hundreds we have right |
| 557s | now yes I mean the idea was like okay we |
| 559s | had the feeling most defined at this |
| 562s | point so once we had this okay we want |
| 564s | to go for that but now it's about |
| 566s | flashing that out and actually figuring |
| 568s | out what we need to do properly detailed |
| 572s | properly interesting and you know whole |
| 575s | bunch of variations for the characters |
| 577s | in the game anyways the |
| 581s | like the final iteration of this whole |
| 583s | sort of archetypical hunter dude was |
| 586s | this going to Center then we're you know |
| 590s | we kind of figure out okay what are we |
| 592s | doing with the witty clothing right it's |
| 594s | kind of the time and era but the fit is |
| 596s | fairly modern right this is not really |
| 598s | loose and baggy as he would actually |
| 600s | have had it back then like you have in |
| 604s | terms of the whole mysteriousness or |
| 607s | mysticism of cults elements like tattoos |
| 610s | and you know all kinds of weird strange |
| 613s | trinkets that he's carrying around you |
| 618s | don't really see much of his face I mean |
| 620s | like on this guy on the right here |
| 622s | that's basically all sort of the final |
| 625s | stage like these are timewise pretty |
| 628s | much on the same level |
| 630s | it's you look at him and you don't |
| 632s | really know is this a good guy is this a |
| 634s | bad guy right so that's one thing we |
| 637s | sort of wanted to sell and another thing |
| 643s | like he's just decked out with like all |
| 646s | kinds of gear like this is what you |
| 648s | would see on say modern-day soldier |
| 651s | who's going into battle and yeah |
| 656s | basically we we combined like cowboy |
| 660s | certain coolness to him some but you |
| 667s | know then we add the the supernatural |
| 669s | element on top of that and then we |
| 672s | decked him out with all the gear and |
| 673s | equipment that he needs to actually go |
| 675s | out there okay then from there so now we |
| 682s | have one dude well we know we want to |
| 685s | have three tiers and within those three |
| 688s | tiers we want to hold bunch iterations |
| 690s | so yeah I'm just curious cause like the |
| 693s | first one is not an original a tier 100 |
| 696s | right um yes I'm basically the way this |
| 699s | worked like okay we we went from this to |
| 703s | these three guys um to sort of okay we |
| 707s | we now have the idea now let's apply to |
| 709s | us two to three tiers um |
| 713s | but obviously you know |
| 715s | this was done I mean at this point we |
| 716s | were already building some assets but we |
| 718s | were not really a hundred percent clear |
| 720s | as to what the the specific look for |
| 723s | each tear would be so you know it kind |
| 728s | of works here but the problem is once we |
| 731s | started building a bigger library or you |
| 733s | know having more variations we ended up |
| 736s | having issues with just okay this is a |
| 739s | bit too close tier 1 tier 2 so there |
| 745s | were some changes after this point where |
| 747s | we you know kind of made him a bit less |
| 751s | formidable in a way but like the overall |
| 755s | direction was very much defined at this |
| 757s | point so just to kind of give a little |
| 759s | bit of a breakdown between the three |
| 761s | with the tier ones you obviously have |
| 763s | you know fairly bright colors very |
| 766s | colorful to begin with you don't have a |
| 769s | whole lot of like a long kind of cool |
| 773s | clothing it's really just a dude with a |
| 775s | jacket and pair of pants we start |
| 779s | affecting the silhouette with tier two |
| 781s | like if you played a game right now |
| 782s | you'll see most of the stuff you know |
| 786s | more of the the fancy clothing is |
| 790s | starting with the tier 240 or two what |
| 796s | you get is much more muted colors it's |
| 798s | much dirtier much more beaten up quite |
| 802s | desaturated I mean there's only like a |
| 804s | couple of small elements of actual color |
| 806s | in there and yeah I'd like TD the |
| 810s | overall feel is quite a bit more |
| 811s | darkened and grim and then obviously for |
| 815s | the TSV guys we you know push that video |
| 818s | mud it's just this guy's living in the |
| 821s | swamp |
| 822s | he's like a swamp rat and it's just |
| 823s | everything he's beaten up everything is |
| 825s | ripped apart we are adding a lot of just |
| 829s | no tactical gear that he would need |
| 831s | we're adding you know trinkets involved |
| 834s | not from his hunt we're adding armor |
| 836s | elements it's yeah it's basically one |
| 839s | step up from tier two and just kind of |
| 841s | pushing it to the extreme |
| 843s | um okay now once we had that as I said |
| 848s | we could you know build assets with this |
| 851s | the problem is especially for tier 3 |
| 854s | hunters we had an issue weird you know a |
| 859s | lot of the stuff you know you wouldn't |
| 861s | find in the real world like for the |
| 864s | other tiers we took a lot of inspiration |
| 866s | from movies but and also just stuff you |
| 869s | would find back then in that time in |
| 871s | terms of clothing but also just |
| 873s | equipment what people would have so |
| 875s | curious was the clothing specifically |
| 878s | from that like place as well make did |
| 881s | you see did you notice the difference or |
| 883s | was it just like in generally I mean I |
| 886s | think we we try to keep it sort of in |
| 890s | the Wild West theme yeah but it you know |
| 893s | if we find something that fit in that |
| 896s | kind of fade or visual language we |
| 899s | defined it just use it right it was just |
| 902s | like once we had an idea of where we |
| 904s | were trying to go um it was easy to pick |
| 907s | and choose what would make sense so we |
| 912s | offered it yes we guys obviously the |
| 913s | problem is a lot of the things you don't |
| 915s | have them right like we had to come up |
| 918s | with quite a few things just design them |
| 921s | from scratch which would then be like |
| 923s | this here where you have you know some |
| 929s | armor you know that you find on tier 3 |
| 932s | hunters here as well or we would get |
| 935s | specific paint overs for faces so this |
| 938s | is originally like some already started |
| 942s | off face model and then one of artists |
| 944s | some concept artists they paint over to |
| 947s | really kind of set the mood and make |
| 949s | sure that this guy reads this is GS 300 |
| 952s | in some occasions we also got like full |
| 955s | outfit designs I think this is like one |
| 958s | of the tier 3 hunters you can actually |
| 959s | get in a game right now this dude here |
| 963s | so yeah this was basically a lot of the |
| 967s | stuff we did was basically derived off |
| 970s | these guys but we didn't really use this |
| 973s | as I wanted one concept it was just |
| 976s | defining the direction but then for some |
| 979s | of the my unique items on we got like |
| 981s | specific concepts and developed a |
| 983s | specific look to figure out what we |
| 986s | needed right so with that in place we |
| 992s | can actually build our hunters yeah now |
| 995s | one thing you know when building these |
| 999s | um they're actually fully modular so |
| 1003s | these guys are actually made up of a |
| 1005s | whole bunch of actually IDs pretty much |
| 1008s | it's just you know you have any pieces |
| 1011s | that you just combine together but you |
| 1013s | need them we do this for two reasons |
| 1016s | first of all it makes our life a whole |
| 1018s | bunch easier because we can you know |
| 1021s | reuse stuff we have an easier time to |
| 1023s | create new variations like this more |
| 1026s | importantly um we need it to be this way |
| 1029s | for us to be actually able to do yes so |
| 1035s | having everything split up this way you |
| 1038s | know will allow us to swap stuff around |
| 1040s | and will allow you as a player to swap |
| 1043s | stuff around yeah the thing is we'll |
| 1049s | probably not have this level of |
| 1051s | granularity for the actual customization |
| 1053s | yeah this is a bit extreme but the idea |
| 1057s | is still to give the player enough |
| 1059s | options to really make unique and |
| 1061s | interesting looks for for their hunter |
| 1066s | now one thing you'll notice when it's |
| 1070s | kind of obvious is the bread and butter |
| 1072s | for us is really clothing so shirts |
| 1076s | pants coats whatever it might be this is |
| 1079s | all where we get the most mileage from |
| 1082s | so the question is how do you actually |
| 1085s | build something like that like that |
| 1091s | right so actually well I'm gonna |
| 1095s | actually show that any tool itself do |
| 1102s | so what about using here he's a little |
| 1106s | application called Marvelous Designer |
| 1110s | thing so never mind the colors this is |
| 1117s | really just to get the the overall you |
| 1121s | know the the silhouette in the shape of |
| 1124s | the things run so what is this this is a |
| 1127s | fashion design tool this is actually |
| 1129s | used in the fashion industry to design |
| 1130s | clothing now we utilize this as both a |
| 1136s | design tool but also as a modeling tool |
| 1138s | the way this works is you literally |
| 1141s | create like a sewing pattern like you |
| 1144s | see here yeah so like your pants shirt |
| 1148s | you have to coat all right you have all |
| 1151s | these little elements and you know you |
| 1154s | create your pattern and then you |
| 1157s | basically there you go |
| 1163s | you basically drape that on top off a |
| 1167s | character right so we have this this |
| 1170s | defaults a mannequin dude in here and |
| 1173s | the idea is batricia drape that on him |
| 1176s | and what it does is this is actually |
| 1181s | like real time cloth simulation so this |
| 1185s | is where the the modeling part comes in |
| 1188s | we can use this to create all the |
| 1191s | drapery all the folds all that stuff |
| 1193s | that traditionally you would have had to |
| 1195s | sculpt we can create this way at least |
| 1198s | as a starting point so does this I'm |
| 1200s | actually curious compared to regular |
| 1202s | rolling |
| 1203s | I assume this can cut a lot of time it's |
| 1207s | it's faster just from you know when you |
| 1210s | go from scratch when you create from |
| 1211s | from zero but then especially if you |
| 1214s | want to create variations where I don't |
| 1216s | know maybe one have a shirt with the |
| 1217s | sleeves rolled up you know this makes it |
| 1219s | a whole bunch easier because you just |
| 1222s | you know you just literally take it and |
| 1224s | you move the sleeve up and there you go |
| 1227s | okay now let me quickly show you a |
| 1231s | little bit more how this works |
| 1235s | actually actually I had some issues |
| 1240s | before white isn't asking will just |
| 1242s | freeze up if it went a bit too crazy |
| 1245s | let's just focus on this top part here |
| 1249s | shall we |
| 1251s | right so I've frozen everything else now |
| 1253s | just is this top shoulder cover thingy |
| 1257s | it's physical eyes now so oh I can I can |
| 1261s | drag that around however I want so I can |
| 1263s | get interesting |
| 1265s | Falls and shapes um but I can also you |
| 1269s | know if I so choose turn this dude into |
| 1275s | a superhero by giving me a cape right |
| 1279s | mm-hmm |
| 1280s | just takes a little time so how long |
| 1285s | have you guys been using this program um |
| 1287s | hunters actually the first project we |
| 1290s | started using it we evaluated it back in |
| 1292s | the day for for rice but um for what we |
| 1295s | were doing back then it didn't really |
| 1298s | make sense but for hunts you know with |
| 1301s | how just traditional clothing heavy the |
| 1304s | game is it just yeah it was perfect for |
| 1306s | that |
| 1306s | um right so whatever this is not the |
| 1311s | prettiest thing but just to give me an |
| 1312s | idea of how this works you know just do |
| 1316s | your thing you you just a pattern how |
| 1318s | you want and then you basically simulate |
| 1321s | it on top of your character I can also |
| 1328s | just go probably and it also like |
| 1332s | automatically drop based on the model |
| 1335s | that it's wearing like will |
| 1338s | like you know let's say you you would |
| 1341s | leave it and something wouldn't actually |
| 1342s | falling no if I if I removed the ammeter |
| 1345s | now okay I mean I can quickly show you |
| 1346s | that if I just delete everything out of |
| 1348s | the scene except this one piece it would |
| 1352s | literally just I did actually not plan |
| 1355s | for this I'm sorry I'm like this is |
| 1358s | actually I should probably just actually |
| 1374s | I'm just making a new thing here oh |
| 1379s | because this is gigantic the problem is |
| 1383s | like um like the surface area here the |
| 1388s | morcerf is do half the more complicated |
| 1389s | thing gets because there's just more |
| 1392s | stuff to simulate okay so now it's |
| 1398s | trying to oh I just added a new piece |
| 1400s | here and it's not trying to figure out |
| 1401s | okay let's add that so yeah I just put |
| 1404s | that there and now it's just merrily |
| 1406s | falling down it doesn't do anything yet |
| 1408s | but the moment crashes down |
| 1415s | well there you go it's almost like it's |
| 1418s | rubber um I'm actually not now you go so |
| 1425s | yeah and well off it goes I tracked it |
| 1429s | off fly off into the sunset basically |
| 1435s | this is what we use to do a lot of our |
| 1437s | of our clothing in the game right like |
| 1440s | we don't do the final thing with this |
| 1441s | but you know we do the starting point |
| 1443s | from here on out um like some more stuff |
| 1446s | you can do I actually let me reopen |
| 1449s | whatever staying here if I change say |
| 1456s | the physical attributes off the actual |
| 1458s | fabric like you can do that were like |
| 1460s | right now it's some kind of canvas |
| 1462s | material yeah I could change this to say |
| 1466s | well let's go it in Ireland it will just |
| 1473s | have different physical attributes and |
| 1475s | you know it will have different drapery |
| 1477s | right so you get much more fine wrinkles |
| 1479s | it's also bugging out huh this is a |
| 1483s | probably a bit of a heavy scene but I |
| 1487s | could also tell it hey what if you know |
| 1490s | instead of nylon we go with like really |
| 1493s | thick leather and all of a sudden you |
| 1495s | know it becomes much heavier you know |
| 1498s | it's it drapes differently you can you |
| 1501s | can use this to really define the look |
| 1504s | and you know fine-tune the look of |
| 1506s | whatever it is did you need to do more |
| 1509s | research before in the passive like how |
| 1511s | materials would fall no I mean we just |
| 1514s | look at how many you know how particular |
| 1516s | thing is made right like what that |
| 1519s | actually consists off and then we |
| 1521s | basically you know we either if there's |
| 1524s | a preset we'll use that or we create our |
| 1526s | own to kind of you know get the right |
| 1530s | look now one other thing I can mention |
| 1533s | here is you have this weird cone shape |
| 1538s | Rob or Dakota flaring out like this |
| 1540s | which is why why are we doing this |
| 1543s | basically the reason is we have |
| 1545s | real-time call simulation in the game on |
| 1548s | the ideas |
| 1549s | it's basically everything from here on |
| 1552s | out |
| 1553s | like just mid-torso downwards will be |
| 1557s | simulated in real time so for that to |
| 1562s | work properly you want to have something |
| 1564s | fairly smooth and even like this so we |
| 1567s | kind of put this code and therefore the |
| 1570s | code to rest on nicely and then one we |
| 1573s | actually get in the game that will then |
| 1576s | be probably similar that in in real time |
| 1578s | we're not gonna get this level fidelity |
| 1581s | where you really get like nice |
| 1583s | individual faults but you know it's not |
| 1586s | needed for that like we just need like |
| 1588s | bigger deformations bigger shapes to to |
| 1590s | you know sell the movement um you know |
| 1595s | that's like basically how we start out |
| 1598s | garments now in terms of actually you |
| 1601s | know doing the patterns what we usually |
| 1604s | do is we try to find you know real-life |
| 1607s | equivalents and then we modified them to |
| 1610s | our needs so we literally look for for |
| 1613s | sewing patterns we find something that |
| 1615s | makes sense for us or we kind of look at |
| 1618s | pictures off of clothing from the time |
| 1620s | and era and try to figure out okay how |
| 1622s | was this built then we replicate that |
| 1624s | and we modify to to kind of have to fit |
| 1630s | that we we want to have on our hunters |
| 1638s | so that's marvelous designer now what |
| 1642s | you get from that is something like this |
| 1645s | alright some of them you know you'll |
| 1647s | have some more detail in order garments |
| 1649s | less either way it's probably not enough |
| 1652s | right you start out with something like |
| 1655s | this but you want to take it quite a bit |
| 1656s | further than this so the next step for |
| 1658s | us would be to actually go into ZBrush |
| 1661s | which is a sculpting application and you |
| 1664s | literally go in there and you start |
| 1667s | adding detail right you use sculpt on |
| 1669s | this like you know cleaning just on a |
| 1671s | computer and just refine this iterate on |
| 1674s | it until finally you arrive in something |
| 1677s | at something you know that looks do what |
| 1680s | you want it to look |
| 1681s | obviously um all of our clothing you |
| 1684s | know these guys are not you know going |
| 1688s | out of shop putting it on and that's |
| 1690s | what you've seen a game busily we want |
| 1693s | to give everything a bit of history we |
| 1695s | want to make it look a bit beat up so |
| 1697s | having this extra detail pass mm-hmm is |
| 1701s | you know you know what it takes to to |
| 1704s | get that look now so I'm just curious |
| 1709s | like if this is made of matrix they can |
| 1711s | make that in real life technically right |
| 1713s | um not strictly I mean you could |
| 1717s | probably derive you know something you |
| 1720s | could actually tailor from that point |
| 1722s | however especially the way seams work |
| 1725s | I mean models designer is quite |
| 1727s | simplified so you would have to you know |
| 1730s | iterate on top of it if you would |
| 1732s | actually want to you know do a coat like |
| 1735s | that maybe one day someone is a very |
| 1739s | talented in real life based on seats |
| 1747s | okay so the next step the thing with |
| 1750s | this is so we did all the sculpting and |
| 1752s | now you have something just immensely |
| 1754s | like detailed right there's a crap-ton |
| 1758s | of polygons you can't put that in the |
| 1761s | game well you can put it in the game |
| 1763s | that's your budget done right so you |
| 1765s | have an empty level and the coat and |
| 1767s | that's it so but no for for actually |
| 1777s | what we you know what we really need is |
| 1779s | something much more efficient much more |
| 1780s | simplified so you know what do you see |
| 1783s | here like just is this one structure on |
| 1785s | top of this thing |
| 1786s | um it's just a couple of thousand points |
| 1789s | kind of describing um this object now as |
| 1793s | opposed to probably millions millions in |
| 1796s | this case so this is sort of our high |
| 1801s | quality model and this will be the game |
| 1804s | model obviously |
| 1808s | well we don't waste all that detail so |
| 1810s | we need to transfer all the detail over |
| 1813s | to texture - you know actually you |
| 1816s | probably see all that that work that |
| 1818s | went in the asset previously well once |
| 1823s | you've done that what you have is pretty |
| 1825s | much a nice gray thing that kind of |
| 1829s | looks like a coat |
| 1830s | it still doesn't surface wise you know |
| 1833s | you have to fold you have to look but |
| 1837s | it's still not really fabric right it's |
| 1840s | you know you need to kind of you know |
| 1843s | now add color actually add textures to |
| 1846s | this thing so the way we do that is we |
| 1850s | use a tool called substance painter and |
| 1852s | if you watch the stream with Alexander |
| 1854s | Ausmus for the weapons you might have |
| 1856s | already seen this program oh he's the |
| 1858s | master here like he's really really good |
| 1860s | substance painter and substance designer |
| 1862s | he's pretty much like you had to go to |
| 1865s | die here at Crytek yeah Alex |
| 1868s | anyways um just to give a quick recap |
| 1871s | done off of how this thing works another |
| 1877s | happy fall the reat apology for the most |
| 1893s | part yes I mean there's some assets |
| 1895s | where we all maybe you know utilize |
| 1899s | something actually out of malice in some |
| 1902s | cases might utilize something out of set |
| 1905s | rush but for the most part it's just |
| 1907s | either easier and more efficient to do |
| 1909s | it manually like what I like to use is |
| 1911s | topogun other artists like to use really |
| 1915s | coat it depends on on twisting |
| 1917s | preference really all right |
| 1919s | so there we go substance painter um this |
| 1925s | is the final version |
| 1926s | so let me hide everything just to give a |
| 1930s | quick breakdown of how this actually |
| 1932s | works so |
| 1935s | what this is so busy you have your asset |
| 1938s | here you can have different lines you |
| 1940s | can change the line and what you're |
| 1942s | doing is you're basically dropping on |
| 1948s | it's it's not just color it's literally |
| 1951s | like dropping on materials like |
| 1953s | substances does substance painter the |
| 1959s | the idea is really you have like a |
| 1960s | library of you know whatever it might be |
| 1962s | you could have different metals like you |
| 1964s | see down hearing of brass and and all |
| 1967s | kinds of fabrics but then we also have |
| 1969s | mud and blood and whatever it is that |
| 1973s | you can utilize to layer up you know the |
| 1978s | texture and build something really |
| 1979s | interesting and the thing is like this |
| 1981s | isn't just color as I said this is also |
| 1984s | like how it reacts to light it also |
| 1987s | affects how yeah it also like some of |
| 1992s | these also come with like little |
| 1995s | wrinkles or or little details of their |
| 1997s | own like um I show you that one here so |
| 2002s | yeah I like to go see there's little |
| 2003s | holes yes like they they're not just |
| 2007s | flat and right there's there's some some |
| 2009s | depth to that so basically what we do is |
| 2014s | starting from something reasonably flat |
| 2021s | and simple where it's just like a base |
| 2025s | color it's just you know that's not very |
| 2030s | interesting |
| 2032s | but then you know you start building it |
| 2034s | up right so you add you know a little |
| 2037s | bit of a right there and you no more |
| 2042s | wear and tear seams and some stitches |
| 2047s | it's just basically step by step you |
| 2049s | built this thing up similarly to what we |
| 2052s | had with the with the actual sculpting |
| 2053s | where you know just take it from |
| 2054s | basically the very big picture and you |
| 2057s | work your way through it and get more |
| 2059s | and more details this is all just |
| 2064s | texture work this is literally you just |
| 2065s | throwing stuff into |
| 2068s | into actual textures right so at the end |
| 2072s | what you actually get out of this thing |
| 2074s | it's just a couple of image files and |
| 2076s | then you apply that on to the model in |
| 2080s | the game and yeah you'll get all these |
| 2083s | little things that you just painted on |
| 2086s | so just to show you there you go so we |
| 2091s | can do adding some third here |
| 2095s | or some little oil droplets the holes |
| 2099s | already show you basically the idea is |
| 2101s | to just you know detail this thing |
| 2104s | further up tend and and what you have |
| 2106s | and you know just make it look more |
| 2107s | interesting again the idea of weathering |
| 2110s | that asset and making it look as though |
| 2112s | it's been born for a while um yeah |
| 2116s | that's pretty much it like then at the |
| 2120s | end of the day you end up with your with |
| 2124s | your final thing and that then goes to |
| 2127s | to tech art to you know get implemented |
| 2129s | into the game and you know basically |
| 2134s | every single asset we have in a game |
| 2136s | goes through this process there's some |
| 2138s | deviations on it like how we do things |
| 2140s | sometimes we'll texture the high poly |
| 2142s | model some things with texture low poly |
| 2144s | model sometimes you know we do some |
| 2148s | texturing in Photoshop as well it |
| 2149s | depends right but for the most part this |
| 2152s | is the the the workflow we utilize okay |
| 2159s | let's talk about faces um so how do you |
| 2166s | you know get something like this |
| 2168s | basically if you want to do a face for |
| 2172s | us the starting point um like we have |
| 2177s | obviously a whole bunch of faces so if |
| 2181s | you want to start a new one what we |
| 2184s | usually do is we take one of the |
| 2185s | existing ones and start building on top |
| 2187s | of that any tips for ZBrush noise |
| 2193s | workflow for fabrics for you |
| 2198s | at this point I wouldn't really bother |
| 2202s | with it I would really do anything that |
| 2205s | isn't memory faults I would literally do |
| 2207s | it in in substance um I would just |
| 2211s | basically it gives you more depth and |
| 2213s | more just it gets you closer to the |
| 2219s | final asset rather than you know trying |
| 2222s | to do all your fiber detail earlier your |
| 2224s | fabric detail in separate and then you |
| 2228s | know taking it from there and you know |
| 2229s | texturing it from their faces so we |
| 2237s | basically start out with a with a you |
| 2241s | know existing hat that we you know start |
| 2245s | modifying to kind of you know well |
| 2248s | usually have like an array of off of |
| 2250s | references where we might be looking at |
| 2252s | you know maybe actors or MMA fighters |
| 2256s | whatever it might be you know we we have |
| 2258s | some references now we are obviously |
| 2260s | trying to do exact replicas you know |
| 2263s | exact portraits of people here the idea |
| 2266s | is to just get a certain feel right get |
| 2269s | certain characteristics and you know |
| 2272s | give that to our hunters you know to get |
| 2274s | interesting looking so which were like |
| 2278s | for example some acting story oh I mean |
| 2284s | I think we have favorite I mean you |
| 2287s | obviously have to be able to claim to |
| 2288s | eat food at some point yeah I mean it |
| 2295s | really depends I mean sometimes it also |
| 2296s | just goes through you know some some |
| 2299s | photographs of you know just black in my |
| 2302s | photographs like some are photographs of |
| 2304s | really interesting characteristic faces |
| 2308s | and you know we find something that we |
| 2311s | feel makes sense and yeah we go with |
| 2315s | that |
| 2317s | um yeah but once you have sort of your |
| 2320s | like your general idea where you want to |
| 2322s | go um then it's just okay take your your |
| 2326s | starting points and you start you know |
| 2329s | modifying this is literally just a |
| 2332s | question off I mean I can I can show |
| 2334s | that bit later but again it's like an |
| 2337s | iterative process where you know it goes |
| 2339s | through the super steps and you slowly |
| 2342s | start building it up right so one 1/2 do |
| 2348s | these guys be a little bit grim even |
| 2353s | else I don't know why like that one just |
| 2355s | like no he's a little very sharp feature |
| 2358s | yeah yeah yeah no that was the idea to |
| 2360s | have some you know we have we had at |
| 2362s | this point like I think when we made |
| 2363s | this card we had a lot of characters |
| 2365s | that were very strong featured like very |
| 2368s | heavy troll and you know quite you know |
| 2372s | tough looking guys yes like there |
| 2377s | there's always like we try to give these |
| 2380s | guys similar as as with the clothing and |
| 2382s | whatnot we try to give these guys some |
| 2384s | history right so the idea is always to |
| 2388s | build it up and and you know not just |
| 2391s | all here is they do it off the street we |
| 2393s | want to give this guy a bit more |
| 2394s | character and actually exaggerate it a |
| 2396s | little bit so once you have something |
| 2399s | that you're kind of happy with in terms |
| 2401s | of shape you know again going from yes |
| 2405s | to it here you know goes through a |
| 2407s | process then again you want to start |
| 2410s | detailing it up right and yeah you all |
| 2417s | kinds of you know poor detail and and |
| 2420s | little wrinkles and gone off to really |
| 2423s | get to the final asset in the end yeah |
| 2429s | it's basically like once we have to |
| 2433s | shape yes you said and yeah it's it's |
| 2435s | like about giving so how long does it |
| 2437s | take to get from like the basic model to |
| 2440s | this much details for us usually we are |
| 2444s | trying to do a face and I would say |
| 2447s | about a week from start to finish but |
| 2449s | there's also includes textures and |
| 2450s | yeah um so that's sort of te timeline |
| 2454s | we're aiming for right now right |
| 2459s | I can maybe quickly show you a little |
| 2462s | bit of how this actually works um just |
| 2464s | to demonstrate it a little bit because |
| 2466s | right now you all you're seeing is just |
| 2468s | stuff happening there we go so so on a |
| 2476s | larger level like you just literally |
| 2480s | well this is a sculpting application so |
| 2484s | you just you know you take stuff and you |
| 2486s | push it around and this has been put the |
| 2490s | mouse and keyboard but whatever yeah |
| 2496s | pretty much like everybody well we we |
| 2498s | use tablets on to to to actually do this |
| 2501s | all this sculpting you know it gives you |
| 2504s | nice pressure sensitivity so you can |
| 2506s | actually really like a painting it's |
| 2508s | much more closer to to to the real deal |
| 2510s | like if you were actually working with |
| 2513s | clay um so you would you know just |
| 2519s | slowly start building up features here |
| 2521s | right and you know modifying that |
| 2524s | however you see fit you know to kind of |
| 2527s | get it to the point where you get the |
| 2531s | look that you want to achieve we do |
| 2539s | actually utilize scans are to a certain |
| 2541s | extent like for some faces however um it |
| 2546s | ultimately it's always a bit tricky to |
| 2550s | get really like super super like |
| 2556s | slightly exaggerated faces like we want |
| 2558s | to have something that is a bit |
| 2559s | over-the-top and like some of the faces |
| 2564s | that we utilize our starting points were |
| 2565s | actually scans but then we do a whole |
| 2567s | bunch of modifications on top of that to |
| 2569s | get to where we want to be |
| 2579s | anyways and Daniel for the detailing we |
| 2583s | can do it in multiple ways like you know |
| 2586s | most of it really happens with you know |
| 2588s | we have detailed brushes that we can |
| 2591s | just sort of stamp onto our characters |
| 2593s | right so we have like some kind of poor |
| 2595s | detail here I can just drag on maybe not |
| 2598s | good symmetry |
| 2599s | just drag on and you know detail this |
| 2602s | coming up until done in the end you know |
| 2607s | I get the final thing a lot of tests and |
| 2610s | also you know just some of the wrinkles |
| 2612s | you go in you know you kind of a little |
| 2619s | bit on you know step by step work this |
| 2622s | up um it's really it goes like whenever |
| 2625s | I look at this because I feel like I can |
| 2628s | have so much fun doing these things |
| 2629s | oh it's a lot of therapeutic yeah work |
| 2638s | like just I'm just gonna apply some |
| 2641s | textures you know just some details just |
| 2644s | relax |
| 2645s | I mean we're not necessarily going |
| 2648s | through this process for every single |
| 2649s | face because that would just be wasteful |
| 2651s | right like a lot of this stuff will have |
| 2654s | on a layer and then we can utilize it |
| 2656s | between phases we do so a lot of the |
| 2659s | work if you do a new phase would be to |
| 2664s | you know do the bigger changes where we |
| 2666s | are adjusting the D overall you know |
| 2669s | what the shape of it and then we apply |
| 2671s | all those details to arm to Dax final |
| 2677s | you know rough now for textures um it's |
| 2685s | you know combination of again using |
| 2690s | stuff derived from scans and then also |
| 2693s | some some hand painting what we have you |
| 2696s | know all kinds of detail maps that we |
| 2699s | can throw on there basically you want to |
| 2701s | make sure that obviously everything |
| 2702s | corresponds to your actual details in |
| 2705s | here um |
| 2707s | and basically it's like something fairly |
| 2712s | large-scale and then ultimately you have |
| 2715s | something really fairly detailed and so |
| 2725s | yeah that's the process again like a lot |
| 2728s | of this um we basically we have our base |
| 2731s | and then we utilize this between all the |
| 2735s | phases we're eating raw meat let's talk |
| 2742s | about a hair because that's also part of |
| 2745s | this process |
| 2749s | the way this works obviously there's a |
| 2753s | whole bunch of individual like hundreds |
| 2756s | of thousands of individual here how |
| 2759s | you're gonna do basically what you do is |
| 2768s | you just fake it so what we have is a |
| 2770s | whole bunch of fantastic planes it's |
| 2775s | just little surfaces with little |
| 2779s | pictures of hair and then you have a |
| 2783s | mask which tells it whatever is why it's |
| 2787s | visible it's black it's not visible and |
| 2789s | that way we can turn this thing into an |
| 2794s | actual hairstyle now we don't |
| 2798s | necessarily place all these out by hand |
| 2804s | j-just like draw them on like with just |
| 2807s | like that it automatically fills it like |
| 2808s | you were to populate trees or something |
| 2810s | or what we do is we utilize an actual |
| 2814s | arm like a grooming application in 3d |
| 2819s | max |
| 2819s | 3ds max um basically what this is what |
| 2823s | we're using is a tool called or matrix |
| 2826s | now this is used in the events industry |
| 2828s | to to actually do grooming and do |
| 2831s | hairstyles for or for creatures like for |
| 2834s | prerendered may be easily found Harry |
| 2838s | Potter monsters or whatever it's no she |
| 2846s | haven't seen that one yet you go I mean |
| 2851s | it's our life actually a be in the nude |
| 2853s | to then linking I think that will be |
| 2855s | really good the live action they didn't |
| 2859s | live action they're going to make one oh |
| 2867s | well put it on my list um anyways we're |
| 2873s | not going to that crazy amount of detail |
| 2874s | we're basically utilizing this to kind |
| 2876s | of block out just roughly what we're |
| 2879s | trying to achieve like get a visual |
| 2881s | reference |
| 2883s | CJ sorry okay so right now okay just to |
| 2893s | give a little bit donation what we have |
| 2896s | is a grooming tool where you come stuff |
| 2906s | and cut here and do all kinds of fancy |
| 2909s | stuff these are basically just the what |
| 2914s | is called guide hairs so these are |
| 2916s | literally just sort of the control hairs |
| 2919s | and then everything in between like all |
| 2922s | the hair that would be between you know |
| 2923s | two two two guys what they would be |
| 2925s | interrelated so let's give him a nice |
| 2930s | bad hair day here and there you go we |
| 2937s | fill that in not the best look but you |
| 2941s | know it works |
| 2942s | I think it's specially with you look |
| 2944s | with the beard I think he can't pull it |
| 2946s | off make the beard even crazier Wow |
| 2956s | let's see you're just so weird to see |
| 2968s | him from like the the side profile just |
| 2973s | everything exploding now it's exploding |
| 2975s | here it's great oh yeah |
| 2981s | [Laughter] |
| 2985s | now obviously this is no good |
| 2988s | like all of these are right now |
| 2990s | individual no no I'm not even talking |
| 2993s | about the visual so this is perfect well |
| 2996s | that is to the game no but in terms of |
| 2998s | actually like usability like this isn't |
| 3001s | those level planes here right this is |
| 3003s | still like tubes well what we can do is |
| 3006s | we can just simply tell it well instead |
| 3008s | of cubes put planes here then we make |
| 3011s | these a whole bunch of thicker |
| 3013s | whole bunch thicker we reduce the amount |
| 3021s | and reduce it some more mm-hmm then you |
| 3027s | start having a starting point right now |
| 3029s | you know you still need to refine this |
| 3032s | you know still need to put quite a bit |
| 3033s | of manual work into this but it's still |
| 3036s | better than trying to go in and you know |
| 3038s | place everything manually like for some |
| 3041s | air stalls and for some areas you don't |
| 3044s | get a round top like in some cases |
| 3047s | especially towards the edges you really |
| 3050s | need to do plane by plane |
| 3052s | but for bigger volumes it's you know |
| 3056s | it's easier and it's a bit more |
| 3057s | straightforward to do it this way so I |
| 3060s | assume because like obviously they're |
| 3061s | they seem to have more ball guns like |
| 3063s | that becomes less as well wood like this |
| 3064s | where you know like what I did literally |
| 3066s | now is I can you know I can just go in |
| 3071s | and basically tell it hey where is this |
| 3076s | I can just reduce the amount of actual |
| 3079s | pavers right oh yeah planes in this case |
| 3082s | it takes a whole bunch of them out I can |
| 3086s | also tell it hey I won a half or less |
| 3089s | and less and less so you know this is a |
| 3097s | pretty iterative process and you know |
| 3099s | what it's a nice you know way of doing |
| 3103s | it again like this does not save you |
| 3105s | from having to do a whole bunch of mine |
| 3107s | will work on top of it but I still you |
| 3111s | know prefer this over overdoing and |
| 3113s | everything so I'm gonna ask how much |
| 3116s | hair do you need to find on mesh for a |
| 3118s | realistic look sar you again how much |
| 3122s | hairs do you need to plant on a mesh for |
| 3124s | a realistic look well I mean again like |
| 3126s | what we're doing from from our end is |
| 3129s | we're just like we're faking it right so |
| 3132s | for this you know we're just having |
| 3134s | planes right so it's you know it's a |
| 3136s | whole bunch of planes it depends on the |
| 3138s | hairstyle but it also depends on how |
| 3140s | many |
| 3142s | on the little texture yes if you were |
| 3145s | actually gonna utilize this tool to make |
| 3148s | a proper proper hairstyle well I think |
| 3151s | it's about a hundred and twenty thousand |
| 3153s | hairs um for the head for here and I |
| 3156s | think and you know dun dun like I think |
| 3170s | it's sixty thousand hairs for beard |
| 3172s | don't quote me on that |
| 3173s | that's the that's the number in my head |
| 3175s | right now yeah so like you know I would |
| 3180s | then let you go in if I wanted to make |
| 3182s | probably like we have xtal here stall |
| 3185s | you know increase that a little bit more |
| 3190s | yeah someone asked how long did it take |
| 3193s | you to reach the level of arts called |
| 3196s | quote where you're at right now and it's |
| 3198s | 3d art harder than 2d / digital drawings |
| 3203s | okay like I've been doing this for like |
| 3206s | I've been working in the industry for |
| 3207s | about 10 years now um what is harder I |
| 3212s | mean like 3d isn't a lot of ways more |
| 3216s | technical |
| 3220s | so you know what it's two different |
| 3223s | things like within artistry like there's |
| 3226s | some differences there |
| 3227s | now obviously you still need to have |
| 3230s | quite a bit of artistic sensibility to |
| 3232s | do 3d as well it that's a tough one I |
| 3237s | also like how you know you can |
| 3241s | specialize so it's like I mean you have |
| 3244s | to train cuz I keep drawing skip that |
| 3246s | did the more you do it and like tree |
| 3248s | thee I guess the same so it has their |
| 3250s | own no of course I mean you basically |
| 3252s | yeah you need to you know just do your |
| 3255s | thing and you know work at it and and |
| 3258s | ultimately yeah you know that's actually |
| 3260s | good cuz like someone says pics aren't |
| 3262s | as hard as well for me like cuz I I can |
| 3264s | draw but I cannot do pics art because I |
| 3266s | don't have the knowledge for Mina |
| 3268s | supermart put it cool but I'm like I |
| 3270s | feel like if you learned that like you |
| 3272s | can get good at anything as long as just |
| 3274s | practice practice practice and do things |
| 3276s | I think it's I mean at the end of the |
| 3278s | day I mean there's there's always the |
| 3279s | difference between okay like like sort |
| 3282s | of the workflow like the tools that |
| 3284s | you're using and then the actual |
| 3286s | artistry right like there is like a lot |
| 3289s | of 3d is very much tied to tools where |
| 3292s | oh you know right now we looked at a |
| 3293s | whole bunch of different applications |
| 3294s | right whereas you could argue that |
| 3297s | somebody who is good at drawing all they |
| 3299s | need is a piece of paper in the pencil |
| 3301s | for um but as it's read artist you still |
| 3305s | like ideal you are in a position where |
| 3307s | you know you build up a certain level of |
| 3311s | skill that will carry over to different |
| 3315s | applications and different uses |
| 3319s | [Music] |
| 3321s | right here let's talk about bosses let's |
| 3326s | talk about Porter disputer oh let's |
| 3332s | actually go through the entire thing no |
| 3339s | spider um okay how do we come up with |
| 3346s | something like this I mean how do how |
| 3350s | does someone come up with something like |
| 3352s | this that is a good question what have |
| 3355s | they been using like like when we are |
| 3357s | doing a new boss usually what we do is a |
| 3362s | brainstorming meeting so there will be a |
| 3366s | general idea for gameplay and a general |
| 3369s | idea for you know visuals that has |
| 3373s | either been discussed beforehand or it |
| 3375s | will be the result of the very very |
| 3377s | first |
| 3378s | brainstorming meeting you just okay this |
| 3381s | is the very very rough wake direction we |
| 3384s | want to go into now okay not a new boss |
| 3390s | this is the concept art of the spider |
| 3392s | this is basically showing how the |
| 3395s | process of where we how he how he got to |
| 3398s | the spider like this was okay I'll just |
| 3402s | go through it when we did the spider we |
| 3407s | knew we wanted to have something armed |
| 3410s | insectoid so multiple acts are kind of |
| 3414s | creepy as creepy as possible actually |
| 3417s | and also have some human forms in there |
| 3421s | so actually have limbs and and arms legs |
| 3425s | whatnot to you know well make it even |
| 3429s | more disturbing so that's what is he up |
| 3433s | here these concepts were the very first |
| 3435s | ones we we started with that was |
| 3438s | literally the first ideas visually we |
| 3441s | came up with um so you have you know |
| 3446s | this whole theme running through there |
| 3448s | is some stuff that works better some |
| 3450s | stuff that doesn't |
| 3451s | like she's more like a frog |
| 3454s | some of them look a bit imbalanced and |
| 3456s | you know might not be super agile you |
| 3459s | know which is something that we actually |
| 3460s | wanted from the boss then you know like |
| 3464s | this is literally just you know kind of |
| 3466s | gobbling dude chillin on the wall but |
| 3470s | the idea was like hey we want to have |
| 3473s | that we've won a half that boss be super |
| 3477s | like you know good with with you know |
| 3480s | just going on the ceiling going on the |
| 3483s | wall all over the place so it becomes |
| 3485s | erratic and hard to predict where it's |
| 3487s | gonna go |
| 3488s | you can't really do this with some of |
| 3491s | these designs however like this guy that |
| 3494s | was interesting um so I think out of the |
| 3498s | first I mean obviously this is just like |
| 3501s | a selection of you know what we did |
| 3504s | there was a whole bunch more concepts |
| 3506s | and a whole bunch more discussions and a |
| 3508s | whole bunch more ideas I'm just you know |
| 3510s | giving a ruffle overview um this guy |
| 3515s | here was interesting right like this had |
| 3518s | some some interesting fields of it was |
| 3520s | fairly creepy now couple things um first |
| 3524s | of all the human element was a bit too |
| 3527s | toned down like okay the arms yes like |
| 3530s | its legs down here but ultimately it |
| 3533s | wasn't that wasn't strong enough right |
| 3535s | that kinda just blended into this whole |
| 3538s | mess of legs and and insect shapes so we |
| 3543s | wanted to push it a bit more also from a |
| 3547s | gameplay side we wanted to have a sort |
| 3552s | of a weak spot like a focal point I'm |
| 3554s | not even sure whether at this point it |
| 3555s | was meant to be a weak spot might have |
| 3557s | been some smarter gameplay reason why we |
| 3562s | wanted well this down here like the |
| 3565s | exposed lungs in the ribcage so this was |
| 3568s | done the next evolution were you know we |
| 3570s | went from this guy to this guy ever you |
| 3572s | know it's much more like that the human |
| 3577s | forms the human elements became much |
| 3579s | more you know dominant in the world in a |
| 3581s | way in design and also like the |
| 3585s | the lungs became you know becoming a |
| 3588s | thing now were okay we want to have that |
| 3590s | Widow element in here now the problem |
| 3594s | with this concept was that it was a bit |
| 3597s | too symmetrical like it looked fairly |
| 3599s | balanced and fairly if you will you know |
| 3604s | it didn't have a super twisted look to |
| 3607s | it yet so the next does not have it |
| 3610s | twisted probably have to do some some |
| 3619s | unicorns and and you know rainbows for |
| 3621s | the next project to kind of get out of |
| 3623s | this whole mindset but we wanted to push |
| 3633s | it a bit further so Christmas discount |
| 3637s | here interesting but let's do a little |
| 3640s | bit more crazy so again the the biggest |
| 3643s | issue was just symmetry and you know how |
| 3649s | much of the human element you have I |
| 3651s | mean you have a head in there but you |
| 3652s | know it's not really mmm |
| 3654s | so over them you know this guy down here |
| 3657s | we ultimately arrived at what's on boss |
| 3660s | hour I wouldn't say final concept |
| 3663s | because that's not what the spot it |
| 3664s | looks like but this was pretty refined |
| 3668s | iteration of you know that idea we had |
| 3673s | at that point so what's going on here is |
| 3677s | basically you have like a human-like |
| 3679s | head torso you have an arm you have |
| 3681s | another arm that's kinda lean the first |
| 3685s | one it seems I mean I don't know because |
| 3687s | I don't know how far it is that you see |
| 3689s | a lot of like the details of like |
| 3691s | getting more hairy towards spider like |
| 3694s | features no absolutely I mean this is |
| 3697s | something where we you know this is just |
| 3698s | sketches and just you know just |
| 3700s | basically throwing out ideas like again |
| 3703s | there was a whole bunch more than this |
| 3704s | for summary I can't help but like that |
| 3706s | middle one there it kind of looks like a |
| 3709s | pool dancing I don't know what it is |
| 3711s | like upside down it's half spider half |
| 3715s | octopus I think this is a lot of like |
| 3719s | cool features to it this is where you |
| 3721s | like um Lovecraftian is pretty you know |
| 3725s | there's some really really cool things |
| 3726s | going on there the problem is it's a |
| 3729s | little bit too alien for what we had in |
| 3731s | mind right like this is a little bit too |
| 3733s | many a bit too out there we wanted to |
| 3736s | have a bit more grounded and a bit more |
| 3737s | creepy so you know you know we do all |
| 3743s | these iterations and then ultimately you |
| 3745s | know once we have something that we |
| 3747s | think might work you know we get a more |
| 3750s | refined a more fleshed out concept mmm |
| 3756s | so then this guy here right so again |
| 3760s | just to give a little bit of a breakdown |
| 3761s | so again we have the know it's very |
| 3763s | humanoid rightly if you have actually |
| 3765s | like a for human in there it's just |
| 3768s | mutated far beyond than just a human so |
| 3772s | disguise linings back oh there's a head |
| 3774s | back one arm not arm one leg another leg |
| 3777s | is literally a full person in there |
| 3781s | then fertilizer kind of poking out and |
| 3785s | the idea was okay this is sort of like a |
| 3789s | split sing like there's still something |
| 3791s | human in this crater that is self-aware |
| 3794s | enough to figure oh I do not a doll |
| 3799s | enjoy this like I'm not what the is |
| 3802s | going on |
| 3804s | well but then the spider element is |
| 3809s | really what is sort of like the insert |
| 3811s | to it element is really what it's |
| 3813s | driving and the the person is just along |
| 3815s | for the ride if you will |
| 3818s | hey creepy twisted it so taking that we |
| 3826s | did a first just really really rough |
| 3829s | test model monkey whatever it sells the |
| 3833s | idea |
| 3833s | um just a test is going now it actually |
| 3840s | you know for what we had back then |
| 3843s | gameplay-wise |
| 3844s | this all made sense like this was a bit |
| 3846s | more back then the idea was a bit more |
| 3849s | um of a character that would be running |
| 3854s | away from you that wouldn't actively |
| 3856s | engage you it would just basically be |
| 3857s | trying to sneak off and and and you know |
| 3861s | let other monsters do its bidding for it |
| 3865s | very yeah like a scared thing that boat |
| 3871s | could other things on on you on you now |
| 3875s | the design worked for that the design is |
| 3877s | supported that however the actual |
| 3881s | gameplay wasn't fun so where the design |
| 3883s | that worked for gameplay but the |
| 3885s | gameplay wasn't really what we needed at |
| 3887s | that point so okay there was some |
| 3891s | iteration set on the actual design like |
| 3893s | the game mechanics off the walls were |
| 3896s | okay let's make something that it's much |
| 3898s | more aggressive something that really |
| 3900s | gets in your face that attacks you but |
| 3902s | then also runs off and you know sets up |
| 3904s | another ambush Wow |
| 3907s | what you now know as the spider um so |
| 3912s | that needed to be reflective visual |
| 3914s | now from this point forward we didn't do |
| 3917s | actually any more harm like 2d |
| 3921s | concepting we basically from here on out |
| 3924s | we started doing 3d sketches and and |
| 3928s | like prototype models how are we doing |
| 3931s | time boys I mean we have an hour okay |
| 3935s | then I can maybe actually shoe dance |
| 3940s | you have a whole hour where you can talk |
| 3943s | still so that's alright okay I can um |
| 3947s | give a little bit of them more in deep |
| 3951s | depth who you are just going |
| 3956s | it's gonna take it off |
| 3964s | [Music] |
| 3966s | so yeah anyways like basically we needed |
| 3969s | to get something that reflected this |
| 3972s | more aggressive and more willing to |
| 3976s | attack the player game mechanic right |
| 3984s | and what we did is just a whole bunch |
| 3988s | off of iteration on top of this |
| 3991s | originally design working in 3d those |
| 3995s | character art and and cons about just |
| 3997s | going at it trying different something |
| 4003s | that people have asked like is a spider |
| 4005s | meant to be a man or woman like what was |
| 4007s | the human it's literally a person stuck |
| 4014s | in there it's mutated beyond recognition |
| 4016s | so it's mutated beyond race yeah I mean |
| 4025s | I'm not sure what procreate hopefully |
| 4029s | not so okay that was that you know like |
| 4036s | that first test thingy and then we had |
| 4040s | something a bit weird and imbalance |
| 4043s | feeling but obviously this is much more |
| 4044s | spidery where animal just you know this |
| 4046s | is more insectoid you know with the |
| 4049s | angle of how the legs work just became a |
| 4051s | bit more base was also like towards like |
| 4054s | face or yeah so yeah like okay this is a |
| 4066s | bit weird this is a bit imbalanced |
| 4069s | ultimately this is the the guide and |
| 4072s | that actually got approved like this is |
| 4077s | the the 3d sketch that actually got the |
| 4079s | sign-off which is very much mirroring a |
| 4084s | spider right so you have like very much |
| 4088s | inflated like abdomen here consisting of |
| 4092s | you know just in this case there was |
| 4094s | still like this kind of membrane |
| 4096s | I'll bet whatever so it's actually the |
| 4099s | different stages of mutation pretty much |
| 4102s | in a way like we went through the whole |
| 4105s | process and ultimately then arrived at |
| 4107s | yeah what do you would you not have in |
| 4110s | the game but you know a lot of the of |
| 4114s | the original elements we had in the you |
| 4116s | know the design are still reflected in |
| 4118s | right so it's very sector would you know |
| 4120s | we wanted to have something that has |
| 4122s | human shapes so again there is a literal |
| 4125s | human but then even the you know those |
| 4128s | mutated limbs are like okay that's like |
| 4132s | an arm here that's just like the hand |
| 4135s | section of it is very much it elongated |
| 4139s | same here I don't mean you have sort of |
| 4143s | reminiscence of human anatomy shapes in |
| 4147s | there anyways um that was the the the |
| 4152s | concept that's really concept that was |
| 4155s | approved arm now at that point what we |
| 4159s | did is again like with the first model |
| 4164s | we did a test um we actually put that |
| 4166s | guy in the game to see whether it works |
| 4171s | at that point the the the game mechanics |
| 4175s | have been adjusted quite a bit we now |
| 4178s | had something that reflected this whole |
| 4180s | idea with a more aggressive boss um and |
| 4184s | well we wanted to see whether now this |
| 4187s | new design would actually fit that so we |
| 4192s | made this this prototype model and well |
| 4195s | turns out everything works right so once |
| 4199s | that was done then we we really fully |
| 4204s | committed to taking this guy to be the |
| 4208s | final spider so I can quickly show you |
| 4212s | that bear with me |
| 4219s | so this is now like sort of a more |
| 4222s | fleshed-out version where like we you |
| 4224s | know everything is kind of cleaned up um |
| 4227s | obviously this isn't you know the final |
| 4230s | model by a longshot but this is like |
| 4232s | just shape wise yeah |
| 4234s | and whatnot this is kind of lockdown |
| 4235s | what you'll also see is that we ended up |
| 4238s | going from the actual full human head |
| 4240s | that we had in there before you know it |
| 4244s | was originally like this guy stuck in |
| 4247s | there oh actually that actually answers |
| 4249s | the question it was a man okay |
| 4253s | design-wise this was just like oh we |
| 4256s | want to put a face in there that's kind |
| 4258s | of screaming out technically it's a guy |
| 4261s | I still I don't know I always but you |
| 4265s | know this is really like this is not |
| 4267s | really fear like this is not something |
| 4268s | that was really about to be this was |
| 4274s | just like okay let's let's it's a person |
| 4276s | representative off the idea from the |
| 4279s | lower side of we have that as an answer |
| 4280s | um we'd probably have to talk about |
| 4283s | phone scene and then same as with the um |
| 4292s | you know what we did with the with the |
| 4295s | head before we now go in and we just |
| 4300s | detail out of it so I'm right now on |
| 4304s | like this is all split into different |
| 4305s | pieces whatever you know just add more |
| 4308s | and more detail to it you know on |
| 4313s | different layers you know we have |
| 4314s | everything you know this is something |
| 4316s | this is like this repeating um thing you |
| 4319s | see we always you know we had large to |
| 4323s | small we we kind of work in our detail I |
| 4325s | was a human mutated into spider-man |
| 4329s | mimicking yeah it's basically like okay |
| 4333s | you have a human that kind of something |
| 4346s | yeah you just |
| 4349s | at all that fancy detail and you know |
| 4352s | you have like like at this point there's |
| 4355s | also like okay what are we doing with |
| 4356s | like you know what's the feeling of this |
| 4359s | so like for a lot of the you know the |
| 4362s | surfaces we've been looking at mole rats |
| 4364s | you know yeah it's just really wrinkly |
| 4368s | skin right that's something we want to |
| 4371s | do have for for some of these elements |
| 4372s | here where you know it's very loose |
| 4375s | wrinkly nasty skin and then you know |
| 4378s | much more lean and and you know winds |
| 4381s | popping out for other areas you know |
| 4383s | there's a whole bunch of things then |
| 4385s | going on where you know we try to figure |
| 4387s | out okay what is this actually oh where |
| 4393s | is my goo more detail |
| 4401s | so yeah then ultimately our something |
| 4404s | like this this is done pretty much do |
| 4408s | the final high poly model off the spider |
| 4411s | I like how you can still see that summer |
| 4413s | like hands because obviously you don't |
| 4414s | get to look at it like that the feet and |
| 4416s | stuff no but I mean like again like the |
| 4421s | idea was very much to have like yeah |
| 4422s | there's still some humanoid things going |
| 4427s | on right you also kind of see the |
| 4428s | footprint here right so this is you know |
| 4430s | kind of diagonal here it's the guy like |
| 4433s | this is torso head arms then to actual |
| 4438s | human legs and then like these two legs |
| 4441s | here and um these two like here that |
| 4445s | will be the ones that kind of you know |
| 4447s | mutated in in a way you could argue |
| 4450s | actually never mind I'm confusing myself |
| 4454s | right now with how many legs they are |
| 4457s | anyways there is like there is a full |
| 4461s | person in there and then we just |
| 4463s | basically add it on top of it right that |
| 4468s | is the the high resolution model of the |
| 4471s | spider |
| 4471s | yeah I know a lot of people were like |
| 4473s | it's the new boss coming it's a new boss |
| 4474s | come he has a new boss is coming |
| 4476s | and a new way is coming we actually had |
| 4478s | a pretty cool playtester day after new |
| 4480s | boss I mean my interests we had I mean I |
| 4485s | haven't even done the new eyes but yeah |
| 4490s | more on that another stream |
| 4492s | unfortunately not today um okay oh I |
| 4495s | just I'm horrible with public |
| 4500s | [Music] |
| 4503s | so many pictures so yeah |
| 4506s | Spyder final model and then very |
| 4510s | similarly to what we did like on the |
| 4512s | face where or on the under duster you |
| 4514s | saw where you know texture it in |
| 4517s | different applications you ultimately |
| 4519s | get the final in-game model like the |
| 4525s | hair again it's done in the way that you |
| 4527s | know we discussed before it's very |
| 4529s | similar I think some of these are |
| 4531s | literally just individual hair on a |
| 4533s | plane because it's like this kind of |
| 4535s | stiff spider you know I think there's a |
| 4541s | specific name like the the the like the |
| 4545s | bristles on like anyways so yeah the you |
| 4552s | know a lot of the the process is and and |
| 4555s | workflows you know apply to different |
| 4558s | models it's just you know you use it |
| 4561s | differently right you you employ these |
| 4563s | things in different ways like a special |
| 4566s | like the armor denies okay oh wait what |
| 4574s | was that |
| 4575s | what is he wit socks he's a pretty no |
| 4586s | you like it I do like it I actually like |
| 4588s | it that's how we do our thing that's how |
| 4596s | we create the characters for this game |
| 4598s | yeah so I think some of you have |
| 4602s | questions obviously as much as you have |
| 4605s | burning questions about anything that's |
| 4606s | not related to character art please ask |
| 4609s | your character or related questions |
| 4611s | because that's why he's here he could |
| 4614s | tell more please be in-game well who |
| 4618s | knows you know it's Christmas coming up |
| 4620s | soon see it does make a spider very cute |
| 4625s | it's a it's a very festive happy it's a |
| 4628s | happy spider he's still mutated and he |
| 4631s | has his ripped |
| 4632s | and everything falling out but it's it |
| 4634s | has cute cute little socks now and |
| 4636s | little boats and the hairy Christmas my |
| 4641s | gift is your face character ID question |
| 4644s | did he lose his last second attire I |
| 4651s | just wanted to put the spider socks on |
| 4654s | where he touches the ground I could have |
| 4656s | put maybe a glove on the last one maybe |
| 4661s | yes like once we have the new boss we're |
| 4665s | gonna do another extreme yeah so |
| 4667s | obviously we can't share anything yet as |
| 4670s | much as you all want to see the new boss |
| 4672s | we will it will come in due time good |
| 4675s | things you know need some time to get |
| 4677s | prepared until they're done so we just |
| 4679s | need some more time and I I mean we'll |
| 4683s | let you know when it happened there's |
| 4684s | also new yeah the new way there's new AI |
| 4690s | coming that's coming relatively soon |
| 4696s | [Music] |
| 4701s | exactly we're not giving any dates or |
| 4704s | anything but like they are in the works |
| 4706s | and they're both really cool and I'm |
| 4709s | pretty sure you guys will like them or |
| 4711s | despised him because they're annoying |
| 4714s | but no um let me see |
| 4718s | [Music] |
| 4720s | mmm any new hunter models and the works |
| 4723s | but I'm so for the last couple months |
| 4726s | we've been focusing on other things |
| 4729s | um similan ders were a big topic but we |
| 4732s | were also working on you know boss |
| 4735s | enemies I think we've also announced |
| 4739s | some some specific grunts I think we've |
| 4743s | actually kinda had them already in a |
| 4745s | stream at some point we have a couple of |
| 4751s | things for hunters but it's not been a |
| 4755s | huge focus lately like we've we've been |
| 4758s | mainly focusing on |
| 4760s | [Music] |
| 4765s | okay someone asked where did you start |
| 4767s | were you going to school for this did |
| 4770s | you get a job somewhere or did you learn |
| 4773s | to mainly yourself and what was your |
| 4775s | first job in the industry this is more |
| 4776s | like a personal question but yeah so I |
| 4780s | originally actually started studying |
| 4782s | philosophy which is a completely you |
| 4785s | know um but no like ultimately I figured |
| 4790s | okay I want to do this as a job as a |
| 4792s | career and yeah I studied in Austria on |
| 4796s | such book are you Austria yes |
| 4803s | [Laughter] |
| 4807s | I'm Austrian that's why should I do in |
| 4810s | Salzburg then I had my first gig and in |
| 4815s | Norway and a company there that you |
| 4819s | might have heard of fun fun they're |
| 4821s | doing my Mother's Day I think the last |
| 4828s | thing that we're doing was coming on |
| 4830s | Naxos which is yeah and I mean like |
| 4840s | Kamini speaks German so I mean I mean |
| 4842s | Austrians speak German - so amusing yeah |
| 4847s | yeah oh we need a question someone says |
| 4852s | where did you study for me ask is he's |
| 4854s | from Salzburg Hawks at Augsburg the |
| 4858s | University of Applied Sciences okay let |
| 4864s | me see so where did you think |
| 4865s | inspiration from the character tattoos |
| 4867s | so do you do that or it does um those |
| 4871s | were a fairly lengthy process to really |
| 4875s | figure out what we were gonna do there I |
| 4877s | did not do these in terms of design um I |
| 4880s | screwed among on the model but the |
| 4882s | actual designs came from Martin Martin |
| 4884s | jean nicolet concept artist |
| 4888s | basically we wanted to find something |
| 4890s | that would be |
| 4893s | well crude enough to where you could |
| 4898s | believe that the hunters would actually |
| 4899s | do them themselves right where it's not |
| 4901s | this really super fancy intricate design |
| 4904s | but then also interesting enough and you |
| 4907s | know kind of again going with that whole |
| 4911s | supernatural wipe having some of that |
| 4914s | reflected in the twos and yeah that was |
| 4917s | a bit of a process figuring out |
| 4918s | specifically what we wanted to do with |
| 4920s | those mm-hmm um I'm also know that some |
| 4924s | people want to know about customization |
| 4927s | obviously how I don't know if we |
| 4930s | actually can share anything about it |
| 4933s | like how detailed it would be but I |
| 4934s | assume we just start with like having is |
| 4936s | the lab getting like light and dark no |
| 4945s | customization right so well I'm not sure |
| 4950s | how detailed I can go yeah exactly like |
| 4953s | we can't change I mean it's it's not |
| 4955s | gonna be as detailed seen what the |
| 4958s | breakdown you saw earlier yeah it would |
| 4959s | also not be I don't know do we know if |
| 4961s | we will be able to change skin color I |
| 4963s | don't think so um okay I think this one |
| 4966s | I can probably answer without getting |
| 4968s | demolished by Dennis this is gonna be |
| 4972s | okay you you you will basically |
| 4974s | customize the clothing a hundred layers |
| 4976s | so if you have a dude you're gonna |
| 4979s | basically be turned changing what he he |
| 4981s | wears that is the idea right now this |
| 4983s | might change obviously nothing is you |
| 4985s | know completely final because any other |
| 4993s | art related questions would you guys |
| 4995s | ever make an art book I mean I think |
| 5002s | it's a lot of work like we did an art |
| 5005s | book for eyes well actually we didn't |
| 5008s | somebody did for us which was good |
| 5012s | because that yeah that is a lot of work |
| 5014s | yeah um would be awesome to half there's |
| 5017s | a lot of material that was created for |
| 5019s | this game that you know hasn't been |
| 5021s | shown and you know it could be |
| 5022s | interesting to see how everything came |
| 5024s | to be |
| 5026s | buddy out as of no note that I know off |
| 5030s | then I would curious I mean I don't know |
| 5033s | if like Worcester is there ever been |
| 5036s | something that you know 100% is not |
| 5039s | going to be in ever or use that you |
| 5041s | thought was a really cool idea okay I |
| 5048s | have an answer for this question but I'm |
| 5051s | not of any I don't know if you just made |
| 5056s | it worse by not saying it nothing bad |
| 5062s | but I don't wanna also like like okay I |
| 5070s | was specifically thinking about both |
| 5072s | ideas and now like the moment I comment |
| 5074s | on that it's gonna be like a okay like I |
| 5077s | don't want to spoil anything because we |
| 5079s | want to have something you know well |
| 5081s | that's why I said something you know |
| 5082s | never make it in the game exactly |
| 5084s | because you know why you know like if I |
| 5086s | now say oh that's it then at the very |
| 5090s | least okay people |
| 5091s | they'll know okay that's not a ball okay |
| 5094s | yeah exactly |
| 5100s | do you know if they what no okay |
| 5104s | are we gonna do do more questions about |
| 5108s | character art so nothing related to |
| 5111s | anything else let me see if we can get |
| 5116s | two good questions |
| 5119s | [Music] |
| 5125s | should've buried so we already show in |
| 5128s | the barracks what is a reasonable |
| 5130s | Khopoli count for a character in honcho |
| 5133s | okay it depends on the hunters are the |
| 5137s | most ethical characters we have because |
| 5139s | that sort of you know where a lot of you |
| 5142s | know |
| 5142s | the identification for the player comes |
| 5145s | from so you want to make is really cool |
| 5146s | now I think our hunters range from |
| 5150s | anywhere between like forty thousand to |
| 5153s | maybe fifty sixty thousand mm-hmm |
| 5156s | triangles for the most detailed model |
| 5160s | like this lot zero obviously then we |
| 5163s | have all kinds of optimization to cut |
| 5166s | that down if you're further away from |
| 5168s | the character you don't need to see all |
| 5170s | that detail now something like a grunt |
| 5172s | or or something of that kind you know is |
| 5177s | much simpler in or less important enemy |
| 5180s | you know that could be anything up |
| 5182s | between like fifteen thousand um to you |
| 5186s | know thirty thousand I just didn't start |
| 5191s | if I missed is but how long does it |
| 5192s | normally takes to sculpt a high poly |
| 5194s | model like the spider in ZBrush and |
| 5196s | textured in substance and this is always |
| 5199s | a very very tricky answer to a question |
| 5202s | to answer it's just yeah there's so much |
| 5206s | iteration going on usually like it's |
| 5208s | very rare that you get you know from |
| 5211s | start to finish without changing things |
| 5214s | like even just you know looking at the |
| 5215s | spider design and how that character |
| 5218s | evolved there was so much iteration |
| 5220s | going on where yeah then it's also you |
| 5223s | know like let me quickly go back here |
| 5227s | like we will do our our little prototype |
| 5233s | model right and we dropped it in the |
| 5235s | game and well basically at that point |
| 5238s | we're not gonna do any more work on it |
| 5241s | until it's been finally approved and you |
| 5243s | know everybody is happy with where we're |
| 5246s | going because if there is any problems |
| 5248s | well we were just awaiting at a time so |
| 5251s | you know there's pauses in there you |
| 5255s | know you start focusing on other things |
| 5257s | for a |
| 5258s | it it's it's tricky like usually okay |
| 5264s | just to keep a ballpark figure |
| 5265s | I would say four you know if we really |
| 5268s | just sit down and you know we'll start |
| 5271s | to finish without any distractions work |
| 5273s | on a character anywhere between six |
| 5275s | weeks for you know something still |
| 5278s | reasonably complex too if you you know |
| 5282s | go really crazy all out over the top |
| 5284s | like some of the characters we did on |
| 5286s | rise can take you know ten weeks 11 |
| 5289s | weeks 12 weeks it's really dependent on |
| 5292s | what it is |
| 5293s | how much iteration there is so it's it's |
| 5296s | a tricky one |
| 5296s | okay last question in from Gregor do you |
| 5300s | use git bash sets for inspiration when |
| 5302s | seeking for design ideas as in while |
| 5306s | prototyping concept designs we use |
| 5310s | anything we can get our hands on I mean |
| 5311s | basically a lot of TD you know design |
| 5316s | process it doesn't matter how fancy it |
| 5320s | is as long as it sells the idea right |
| 5322s | and in that stage whatever works right |
| 5326s | like you get bash you just like on the |
| 5329s | spider like you have that head that I |
| 5332s | just took from some other character and |
| 5334s | I just plugged it in there and you know |
| 5336s | that's what we went with I do think the |
| 5340s | Christmas spider I love all the little |
| 5342s | socks I do like that he has like and |
| 5345s | he's just missing one of the pairs that |
| 5347s | could have been on that other leg it's |
| 5349s | just gone it's just bad was getting it |
| 5355s | sucks together |
| 5356s | I say he's one of those guys it's like |
| 5358s | there's always a missing sock and okay |
| 5361s | we should just put the sock somewhere in |
| 5364s | your level as an easter egg and then in |
| 5365s | his mouth okay uh but yeah that is |
| 5370s | pretty much it for today if there's one |
| 5374s | thing you want to say like alas a |
| 5375s | close-up or whatever thank you so much |
| 5379s | for listening um you know I hope you |
| 5382s | really enjoy the stream and hope you you |
| 5384s | know either |
| 5386s | figure it out a little bit and learn |
| 5388s | something but how we do our job um |
| 5391s | or at the very least you know saw some |
| 5393s | cool stuff that was nice to look up yeah |
| 5395s | thank you and I'm sure we'll see you |
| 5398s | back for another future stream at some |
| 5400s | point for like you know new boss BMO |
| 5402s | hunters stuff like that so thank you |
| 5406s | guys so much for watching obviously you |
| 5408s | can always regret you too but if you've |
| 5409s | missed a stream and yeah we'll see you |
| 5412s | guys next time so have a good day |
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