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I feel like Viego's possession mechanic is only useful or relevant in very niche situations, but the ultimate cooldown resets and large amount of invulnerability during team fights makes this guy really annoying to deal with. Most of the times he will possess another soul and get rid of it on the first opportunity just to get access to his ulti again, barely if at all making use of the possessed champion's kit. He is like a mix of Khazix and Katarina on crack with the resets.

I know some people consider him to be weak or even underpowered, but even if that's the case this still feels like they created a new gimmick mechanic that is barely used but adds lots of strength with secondary effects. He will even exist in a state where the possession gimmick is consistently useful and therefore the rest of the kit has to be toned down, or the state that he is now where he already is strong without having to use kits of possessed champions and close to unbearable when the possessed kits are actually useful.

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almost 4 years ago - /u/RiotAugust - Direct link

Originally posted by BlueNinjaTiger

If the purpose is to give people a chance to react, why not make the channel take a little longer? I mean sure he's invulnerable, but finding the right window to give people a chance to process what's happening seems key.

Alternatively make him untargetable, not invulnerable.

he's untargetable, not invulnerable

almost 4 years ago - /u/RiotAugust - Direct link

If it's true that Viego ONLY uses possession for the ult reset and its a TRAP to make use of the champions he takes over, that would be a problem I'd look to resolve in the future. Not sure that's true from what I've seen of him however.

That said, it's intended that a meaningful part of the reward for possessing an enemy champion is in resetting the R, a spell that puts a melee basic attacker directly on top of you.

Two reasons for this:

  1. We avoid the OTHER problem of, "It doesn't matter how far behind Viego is, he just takes the fed Kai'sa and kills everyone." The R reset being strong means a Viego trying to pop off still relies on power that comes from his personal success/items. It means the best course of action isn't just to build straight tank every game and KS possessions.

  2. I'd like the key skill test for Viego's passive to be HOW he uses the bodies. Some bodies are best to stay in and use all the spells (Taking Leona late game = you're invincible + get to chain CC their team) whereas other bodies are close to useless (Kassadin with no ult) and are best to discard ASAP in favor of getting access to your basic attacks again. IMO the passive is far less interesting if the optimal play is to just do the same thing every time, be it ulting out instantly OR staying as the person for a full 10s. The ideal possession passive to me is one that tests the Viego player's knowledge of the champions he takes and awareness of whatever situation he's currently in, sometimes you should smash that R button the second it's off CD, sometimes you should spam out all the spells then R execute the guy you just nuked, and sometimes you should stay in the body as long as possible to take advantage of what that specific kit has to offer.

almost 4 years ago - /u/RiotAugust - Direct link

Originally posted by GodlyPain

August I have a question about his design;

Back when Yone was released Blaustoise (RIP) and Endless Pillows made it sound as if Riot was intending to make more Yasuo-Like kits (following the success of Yasuo, Riven, and Yone) ... Is Viego meant to be in that category?

As he feels relatively Yasuo-Esque given his Q stab motion and just general playstyle.

Just curious what made his gameplay fantasy really.

Edit: Also weird balance question; how do you feel about changing the way his bounty works when possessing someone? It's kind of annoying if you have a high kill teammate who say has a 700g bounty... Viego possesses them and now you have to kill that exact same person except you only get whatever Viego is worth? Should his bounty be changed to reflect who he currently is?

Viego is intended to be more Yi/Jax like. There's a lot of mindshare that goes into taking over other champions, so wanted to make the base kit a bit more straight forward.

almost 4 years ago - /u/RiotAugust - Direct link

Originally posted by ElaborateRuseman

Kinda unrelated but what do you think about the state of Viego in lane? Are you planning on cutting some of his sustain from minions? Because he seems way stronger there.

Right now Viego mid has like a 1-1.5% higher winrate than jungle, but that (by itself) doesn't mean jungle is bad or lane is OP. Would be kinda like saying Ekko jungle is bad because Ekko mid wins more.

We're keeping an eye on lane Viego and will adjust if necessary. We primarily want him to be a viable jungler, but hopefully we can also let him lane as there are quite a few players who enjoy him there (assuming we can still make jungle good and he isn't a flex problem in pro-play). If we needed to nerf lane further we'd likely hit the minion sustain again.

almost 4 years ago - /u/RiotAugust - Direct link

Originally posted by Infinite_Delusion

How is he possessing her if shes 15/0 and hasn't died? Hmmm

You say he killed a 15/0 Trist but her score clearly shows that she has never died

curious