Originally posted by
PrivateVasili
A champion like Ashe, Varus or Aphelios can easily be the facilitator of big moments just like Malphite with their respective ults. Its also just a clear division in the definition of what a carry is. The name AD carry came about because if you facilitated (helped them scale, and peel for them in fights) them, they would win the game for you by doing huge amounts of damage. That means that someone like Malphite, or the support role as a whole, must be a facilitator and not a carry. Malphite's 5 man ult (assuming tank Malphite), still leaves a lot to be done by his team, whether it be an ADC or someone else, he needs followup. It seems to me that the Rioter was more interested in categorizing players rather than champion roles, but even then I think there is a lot of room for argument.
calling them cannon minions was an exaggeration on my half to emphasize the point. Probably not the best public speaking (writing?) technique
league is a complex game and all players have many chances to so something impactful to the outcome of a game, even when playing a lower agency role/champ. but when speaking in relatives here, its clear to me that any champion that invests more of it's power budget in low agency outputs (like ranged AAs) is probably trading power out of higher agency outputs. when almost every champ is balanced within 2.5%~ of 50% winrate, theres only so much power any one champ can have over others. This is as much a discussion about player and developer understanding of the roles, as it is the actual role functions in the game - since misunderstandings about roles creates confusion.
afaik the term carry came about as more of a carry over (hehe. carry over) from dota carries, who will actually just 1v9 if left to scale (dota being significantly more about different champions having different game time power curves than league). insert meme of 0/0/0 antimage walking out of the jungle at 30 minutes. but its also been a long time since I played Dota/HoN
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