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https://youtu.be/t5iO_hcxyYk?t=2461 (timestamped)

PHREAK HAS RESPONDED: HE KNOWS ABOUT IT , NERF STILLING GOING TROUGH DO 5_

Very simple as title states Phreak in his patch rundown is talking about W like its simply a better auto attack, but this isn't true.

While this fact is completely unknown by non-qiyana players and it seems a lot of qiyana players also do not know this but W damage is also applied to elemental Q's and E when ur holding an element, ult however does not apply this effect. Meaning that from lvl 13 u lose 72 damage per combo WITHOUT auto attack or ULTING. This nerf when properly combod will make u lose about 100-120 ish damage per combo and adding ult nerf this can go up to 200+ less damage per combo.

To clarfy how hard it hits with some numbers: q changes break even at 67 bonus ad, to then make up for the damage we lose from W nerfs , for our elemental qs to do the same damage as pre nerf we need 227 bonus ad. And thats not counting auto attacks or E , that mean we need 4 full items for our q to finaly start getting better then pre adjustment.

That said i have no clue if the ad ratio buffs will also translate into a bigger ratio on rock Q exectute (still wouldn't make it a buff btw)

The goal of this change was to give qiyana a better early , while nerfing her late but in mind to keep her identity as a scaling assassin. But this adjustment contradicts itself , she is only stronger around lvl 1-6 in a very minor way (10 extra damage and 3 armor, not that the armor is that needed since she struggles mostly against mages) and after that u would need a full item at lvl 9 to stay at the same lvl as before.

Thats about it , i very much agree with the R nerfs, the spell is broken even in its very buggy state, the q changes are a good idea but sadly are completely nullified by the W changes.

So i am left here wondering was this intentional or just simply overlooked because the W ability discription is flawed.

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6 months ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

The total output of W was accounted for when making these changes. It sums up to about 8% of her total PVP damage.