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Whoever wrote this should get a raise. Really funny to read.
Whoever wrote this should get a raise. Really funny to read.
Phillip is one of a kind :)
I am still very sceptical about this and will not update the game for a few weeks to see how it will work out and what experience will other players have.
That sounds like a very reasonable take
1/10 master+ games having scripters in them is crazy
Even I was a little skeptical about the "dire need" for it until I heard that number internally. The second we heard it from the anti cheat team we were like "Okay that goes in the article" lol
With its device fingerprinting, Vanguard also gives us a renewed opportunity to sink teeth into boosting, smurfing, and account compromise. We'll be able to revoke rewards boosters didn't deserve, get smurfs to their proper rating faster, and maybe even invalidate "unfair" premades. Ranked statistics won't be as poisoned by scripters, facilitating easier balancing of high risk-and-reward champions, and games ruined by cheaters can eventually be "undone," returning LP to those affected.
This kinda huge
This is something we're very excited to leverage as it helps the overall ecosystem even beyond reduced cheating
Please tell me I don't have to upgrade to Win 11
Nope you won't have to upgrade to Win 11!
The popup to help make sure you're ready for Vanguard will go live with 14.8 so you'll be able to double check and ensure you're good for 14.9.
I am still very sceptical about this and will not update the game for a few weeks to see how it will work out and what experience will other players have.
Honestly pretty based and understandable.
Hope to see you back after the dust settles
So how do you disable Vanguard when you boot up your computer for non-League purposes? Is there an option to easily do it now?
Yeah you can just right click it in your system tray and select Exit Vanguard. It'll warn you that if you want to play a game that requires Vanguard you'll have to restart your PC - you just click "Ok" on that prompt and it's off.
I'm sorry, did you mistype 14.8 and 14.9 or am I having a stroke?
He did mistype. We made fun of him for it. It's 14.8 and 14.9 :)
Thanks for your service Packman. Waka Waka
Q: What if I'm having technical issues with Vanguard?
These days, Vanguard suffers from a lot of attribution bias, and the majority of bugs we see actually come from external sources that are difficult to lock down. One of the largest perpetrators recently has been the distribution of pirated software that toggles a registry option ("DevOverrideEnable") and allows "different" versions of key Windows files to be loaded into all running processes. Now, we can't say exactly what your intentions would be for doing something like this (wink), but what we can say is that Vanguard doesn't like when corrupted windows files are loaded into VALORANT—we use a great many of them to do tampering checks ourselves. We'd also recommend that you be careful what you turn off windows defender for, because it's doing what it says on the tin (defending windows).
Anyways, issues can arise, but please submit a ticket. We'll get you sorted.
I might have downloaded software for one of my classes, and from my understanding as it was a license type of program it change something from the windows key
am i f**ked?
There'll be a modal going out in 14.8 (currently on PBE fwiw) that will check your PC to let you know if it's ready for Vanguard. If you get an alert that something isn't right, there's troubleshooting steps and a player support link that can help you get things set up in time for launch, which is currently planned for 14.9.
Even if I used PC for non Vanguard things, wouldn’t it still boot aslong as those applications and hooks are closed and not running? Or would I still need to restart etc
Yeah the article says it better than I would, so I'll just quote the bit that speaks directly to this.
Why is it always on?
Vanguard is not really "running all the time." The driver loads at boot, but nothing is making calls to it, and there's no network connectivity until you run one of Riot's games. It's literally just sitting there (menacingly), so that it can attest to the fact that nothing's happened between Windows loading and the game starting that would break the operating system.
When you launch League, the Vanguard client contacts the driver to confirm that it thinks everything is 100%, and if so, you receive a valid anti-cheat session and may connect to the game server. Instructions from the client then start enabling features within the driver to watch for things that might tamper with the signed League process and prevent them. You can always disable the driver whenever you'd like-you'll just need a fresh reboot to "recertify" the integrity of the trust chain before you jump into game.
I upvote for the funny read.
Hopefully this actually curves the issue and doesn't create a false positive.
We do talk about false positives a bit in there but if there ever is, we'll obviously fix it, and ideally also tell you about it if it does happen. The threshold for triggering a false positive reversal is extremely low because we never want to take that risk of being unsure. We want to be as transparent as possible so that Vanguard and the team behind it has your trust and maintains it.
We're also about to be a lot more active in engaging with people claiming that they are a "false positive". We generally review almost all the ones that we see across various platforms when we can and the vast majority are either sadly not telling the truth, or simply just compromised accounts.
So, if I already have Vanguard because I also play VALORANT, am I going to have to do another install of Vanguard for LoL? Or is the Vanguard endpoint the same for both VALORANT and LoL?
Nah, if you have it for VAL you have it for League. :)
You should focus on premades of scripters, scripter gets banned sooner or later, but their premades end up high above their real elo and its nightmare to have them in team.
There're some mechanisms in place that will punish people who are obviously boosting their account by grouping with someone Vanguard identifies as cheating :)
Will this also apply to tft?
Vanguard runs at the League Client level, so PC TFT will be Vanguarded.
Mobile TFT doesn't require Vanguard.
It was a lot more, but they (we) stopped playing it as soon as they announced Vanguard, fearing the ban or just not agreeing with their decision.
It wasn't. We made this decision almost a year before we ever even told yall we were bringing Vanguard to League.
It doesn't feel good for Linux players but theres just sadly not enough users there for League for us to try to make that work :(.
What will happen, if anything to chat punishments? Any changes?
Vanguard isn't concerned about chat stuff. Any changes to how chat punishments work would be another team.
He did mistype. We made fun of him for it. It's 14.8 and 14.9 :)
I wrote 4.8 and 4.9 at first too, that was my "fix".
What you are saying is false, on the Valorant beta Vanguard disabled pc monitoring software and affected Bios and Motherboard drivers and processes, it does tamper with other info to a point and is more than proven it does.
Sources: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/ger0vh/warning_valorants_vanguard_anticheat_is_disabling/ https://www.polygon.com/2020/5/8/21251931/valorant-anti-cheat-vanguard-automatically-close-drivers https://www.vg247.com/valorant-anti-cheat
Edit: To clarify what I'm saying Is false is that Valorant only affects your game processes. That is false as it is proven it accesses other apps and tampers with them.
This topic is discussed in the blog under section "Q: I've heard that Vanguard bricks keyboards?", so you can get some more context there. The tl;dr though is that we moved away from the widespread vulnerable driver blocking strategy about 4 years ago, and it was only during a limited period in launch.
Will there be any negative consequences if I forget to turn cheat engine off entirely when I launch the game? Currently I use cheat engine for random games like Palworld, and I've on many occasions forgot to close it when launching a league game. Luckily there is no consequence for this, as the league game just provides an error and I can immediately reconnect after closing cheat engine. Will this behaviour be the same with vanguard? Will I receive a punishment for opening league with cheat engine open, or will I have to restart my computer entirely?
The behavior will look similar with Vanguard, so it would be an error/game crash just like it is currently on League.
wait is there some rule against this?
Rule 7.14 of the Terms of Service covers it:
Playing on another person’s account or otherwise engaging in activity intended to “boost” an account’s status or rank;
Are there any conflicts with AHK and Vanguard? I play PoE a lot and sometimes I forget to turn off my trade macro.
AHK triggerbots are a form of cheating in VALORANT, and there's definitely some potential players will be using these to make crude bots in League since it'll be difficult to read and inject into memory. We don't indiscriminately ban for AHK (only targeting cheat scripts), and many players use many unrelated scripts safely, but I can't ensure long term compatibility.
Just so I understand, correct me if I'm wrong on either of the scenarios:
1) I need to use PC for personal non-League stuff: I start up my PC. Vanguard automatically boots up. I go to my system tray and exit Vanguard. That means Vanguard is completely turned off and none of my activity will be monitored?
2) I want to play League after doing non-League stuff and exiting Vanguard from system tray: But I need to restart PC manually OR i need to actually try to access League client, which will then prompt me to restart PC?
If my understanding is correct, then I have no issues with Vanguard being mandatory going forward.
Sorry if this is redundant; Ive just never worked with kernel level restrictions before and wanna make sure I get it right.
1) I need to use PC for personal non-League stuff: I start up my PC. Vanguard automatically boots up. I go to my system tray and exit Vanguard. That means Vanguard is completely turned off and none of my activity will be monitored?
Correct, that is the flow you'd use. FWIW, Vanguard is not monitoring your activity if you're not running VAL or (soon) League anyway, but I certainly understand wanting the extra assurance, and if you do this flow, Vanguard will be completely off until you reboot your PC.
2) I want to play League after doing non-League stuff and exiting Vanguard from system tray: But I need to restart PC manually OR i need to actually try to access League client, which will then prompt me to restart PC?
Also correct. If you try to launch League without rebooting, Riot Client will tell ya you gotta restart (exact same as you'd see in VALORANT today). Else, you just reboot and Vanguard will be initialized for when you're ready to play.
Sorry if this is redundant; Ive just never worked with kernel level restrictions before and wanna make sure I get it right.
No worries! I hope this helps you feel like you know what's going on and that you get the final say on if you're comfortable with it or not.
What about the other requirements of vanguard? I think there was something called secure boot or so, is that required for Windows 10?
Secure Boot isn't a requirement for Windows 10 or Windows 11 on League of Legends. For VALORANT, it is on Windows 11.
What about pirated games? Things that are usually flagged by antiviruses
We actually did call out how software that may be obtained from ... interesting .. sources could potentially be affected in the "Q: What if I'm having technical issues with Vanguard?" section. We saw some players being affected in PBE with this:
One of the largest perpetrators recently has been the distribution of pirated software that toggles a registry option ("DevOverrideEnable") and allows "different" versions of key Windows files to be loaded into all running processes.
That being said, it's a pretty niche case. We have also seen some rare cases covered in "Q: What about false positives?" with malware, but we look to action on things that are specifically targeting the game, which these softwares will rarely do.
with vanguard in place does the team see a significant shift in win rates/play rates for champions which could help change the need for buffs or nerfs for particular champions/items?
There might be some changes in winrates at specific ranks, which I know the balance team looks at. For example, Zeri may have some noticeable dropffs in Win Rate in Masters+.
This deployment process seems really well thought out. I don't think I remember Valorant being like this when it launched, was this a lesson learned from then?
We certainly did benefit from a lot of learnings from initial launch of Vanguard+VAL. We're also just in a different situation than them, which means our approach can be different. I'm happy to hear that it feels well thought out - it was a lot of work from a lot of folks, lots of cross-team collaboration and thought went into how we can launch something like this as gracefully and lovingly as we could. <3
A limited period that caused damage in some user's systems because it disabled fan controlling software and drivers. There were a couple of users on Twitter where that happened that reported having system inestability and windows not booting because of it.
What guarantees do we have that wont happen again? Knowing Vanguard can do that what is preventing you to access all of our computer like you have already done in the past?
You give 0 technical information. You are basically just saying trust us, that wont happen again but we have the tools to make it happen again if we want.
It's best outlined under "Q: Why not open source the driver?". If every bit of telemetry was provided, it would make us lose our effectiveness.
Just because I’m curious, is there a specific reasoning for it always booting and there not being an optional toggle?
E.g. I’m fine with having to restart my pc to turn it on for a session of league or valorant - but I play them 2-3 days a week so I don’t want to have to manually disable it in startup options or right click close it in my drivers tray every boot.
There's some difficulties in implementing a toggle of that nature (I'm sure one of my more technical colleagues could speak to the effort involved, but an example that springs to mind is how to reliably tell a program to generally not launch on boot, except next time I reboot please do.")
I think if this is how you'd want to interact with Vanguard (which is great if it will help you feel authoritative about what you're comfortable with!), probably currently the avenue I'd suggest is to actually Uninstall Vanguard when you're not planning on playing LoL for a few days - it's also just a right click away (Right Click > More > Uninstall Vanguard > Confirm).
Then the next time you Launch LoL, Riot Client will prompt you to install Vanguard. Happily, the download + install is SUPER quick (my entire Riot Vanguard folder is 43 MB), so this flow actually wouldn't add much time to your get-in-game, as the reboot itself will probably be the longest part if you have broadband internet.
I recognize that likely feels more like a workaround than a solution, but it's what's currently available and I hope it helps you feel in control of things <3
Okay, I'm a boomer with boomer eyes and lose track of my mouse easily when I play the game, especially during team fights. I have been using YoloMouse from the Steam Store (yes, that's its name) that uses a custom mouse cursor to be bigger and, most importantly, set to a brighter color when playing.
Will running the program possibly trip Vanguard?
The dev of Yolomouse has stated it's working in VALORANT in their testing. It should be ok. This isn't something we'd look to ban for its current implementation.
https://www.reddit.com/r/yolomouse/comments/190g3cf/yolomouse_180/kixyeei/
So will this startup by default every time I restart my PC? Or will I have to turn it on, switch something on, and then restart?
After installing, any time you reboot your PC it'll just boot alongside it, no extra steps needed unless you want to turn it off or uninstall.
My only real question is what’s the plan like if an automatic detection system sees me playing on my brothers computer while I’m visiting him, or playing my account on a friend’s laptops and we both catch bans for account sharing?
Account Sharing is already against TOS; but there are plenty of like PC Cafes or valid reasons two people might play off a single computer; but it sounds like with Vanguard you’re going to be much more aggressive in using hardware ID’s to moderate player behavior.
We have an allowlisting system for PC Cafes, and also review tickets for players who state they may have gotten banned by one that could have not been on the list.
In terms of using your brothers computer that would be infected by cheats, it is a risk. We do look to have our Hardware bans be preventative rather than immediately banning the account, but if you were to play on it while cheats were injected, that could cause your account to be banned.
Don't let this post brainwash you into thinking that giving Riot access to your kernel makes the game "safer".
If WoW never needed kernel level access for bots, why does Riot?
As someone that once worked on WoW and is intimately aware of the botting problem that game has even with the Anti Cheat tools it has. I say with the upmost respect and confusion: bruh
In case you read this RISK team, hi, love you all. Keep killing it, yall are badasses.
Will a TFT auto-clicker be detectable by Vanguard? It doesn't affect competitive integrity, but I've always seen it as a somewhat unfair way to complete the event pass.
I personally know a group of friends who boot up an Android emulator and play TFT on a script 24 hours a day when a new event pass arrives.
We've already done some actioning on TFT bots, and Vanguard will further help with prevention and detection of those. They are prohibited under section 7.10 of the Terms of Use, and while they're not as painful to players as other bots because it can be inflationary towards top 4 finishes, they still do affect competitive integrity and the actual fun of the game.
https://www.riotgames.com/en/terms-of-service#id.3fwokq0
Using any unauthorized third party programs, including mods, hacks, cheats, scripts, bots, trainers and automation programs that interact with the Riot Services in any way, for any purpose,
Much appreciated Riot Man! I'm more comfortable playing League with anti-cheat system now and it's even better that I'm afforded some control over Vanguard.
If there's anything you'd recommend we NOT do (aside from straight up cheating) while running League, please also let us know. I assume Vanguard looks at activities while the client/game is running, but sometimes between matches or during queues Id be doing work stuff on another screen. If my work stuff is something that can be captured by Vanguard while the game is running, then yea I'd have to stop doing that.
Regardless, thanks for taking the time to reassure my thoughts on this 🙏
While I'm sure the work you do is cool, unless you're creating cheats, or you're like loading libraries into League or something, Vanguard will be totally disinterested :)
In case you didn't get to the bottom of the article, Phillip touches on what kinds of data Vanguard looks at here:
Riot only collects what we need to run and secure our games. More data is just more risk for us, and we don't want anything except the bare minimum required to get the job done. Locally, Vanguard has system hooks to run its protections, but we're not shipping back your files or documents. Like most anti-malware and anti-cheat systems, we leverage a technique called "Signature Scanning," to determine if a series of bytes in memory matches a known cheating application. The results of these are only true or false (it was present or it wasn't), and we try to use this pattern for other checks too. Things like, "are you currently using a DMA device" or "did an application just try to submit input to the game" send mostly binary responses (though the latter includes the name of the process that did it).
For other detections, we need snapshots to scrutinize in post, and there are chances that these can contain PII. For example, we log the file path of every library loaded into League, and this could contain a user name (if it's in a user folder). We do things like this so that, after a cheat is discovered, we stand a chance to detect cheaters who have already used it (instead of only those moving forward). This type of data is only in "warm" storage for 14 days, and we will never use it for anything that is not cheat detection. I can't tell you every single thing Vanguard looks at, as cheaters would then know what areas to scrub the hardest. We need some obscurity to succeed, but I hope this makes our intentions with the data we do collect more clear.
but is there no way to turn it off whilst you're not playing. i haven't read the article yet, but i am not comfortable having an anti-virus that is enabled at all times for zero reason.
but is there no way to turn it off whilst you're not playing.
You can right click Vanguard in your system tray and select Exit Vanguard.
How many clicks to turn it off each time I reboot? Just as a best-practices thing I'm not a huge fan of having 3rd party kernel-level drivers on my PC, so I'll be turning it off whenever I'm not actively playing league.
Right click Vanguard in System Tray
Click Exit Vanguard
Click Yes
Those are the steps to disabling Vanguard when you're not using it. It's intentionally easy to disable (and even Uninstall is virtually the same flow) to help make folks like yourself feel in control of what they're comfortable with.
Not a great look when a rioter is saying not installing their anti cheat is "based" lmfao
More like it's based to say "I'm skeptical, I'm gonna wait and see", that's a pretty healthy take when it comes to software and the permissions you allow or grant. There's nothing wrong with that. We even say in the article that if Riot hasn't earned your trust then don't install our games.
So where can I request all of the data that Vanguard has collected about me?
You can follow the procedures here:
For context on Anti-Cheat and privacy, you can read the Anti-Cheat and Fraud section here: https://www.riotgames.com/en/privacy-notice#id.lrsx17ek1hak
What about used hardware? Do I now have to be afraid that something I buy used will be banned for League because a cheater used it before?
We have seen players unknowingly buy banned hardware that caused a ban. It is a niche case, but we do handle these escalations in Player Support.
Hey. Will apps like porofessor still be okay to use? Otherwise, I need to delete it before vanguard goes live. Also, what about AHK? I use it on another game, to overcome difficulties caused by my disability. For league, I don't use AHK, but I modify input.ini or persistedsettings.json file for that reason. Would that be considered 'cheating' by vanguard? Just looking to put some fears down.
Tools that use the API in an authorized way, like Porofessor, will still be ok to use.
Non-malicious usages of AHK should be ok, especially if it's not actively trying to continually interact with League. You should still be able to modify input.ini and persistedsettings.json regardless, though. Let us know if anything doesn't work as intended!
Can you comment on if it blocks AutoHotkey? I've had anti cheats like Faceit block AHK from running, which is pretty annoying due to how much non-game related stuff like mic mute hotkeys I have running with it
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1c1kgrk/dev_vanguard_x_lol/kz4dl39/ K30 says it better here than I'd be able to. hope that answers what you're wonderin.
I trust it.
I'm curious what you guys think of all the nay-sayers on reddit (and elsewhere) that seem VERY AGAINST Vanguard. I feel like a lot of them are just angry cheaters but that's just my hunch.
I've had Vanguard since Valorant came out, and I have no qualms with it. As long as it behaves and lowers the amount of cheaters in a game I like by 1% I'm happy.
Also please don't stop here. Keep making smurfing/boosting/cheating/botting/account selling go away as much as possible. Competitive integrity in soloqueue has been at an all time low in the last 2-3 years. Thanks.
I think its pretty reasonable for people to have this aversion or skepticism. Some of it I personally think is a little hyperbolic or silly, but that's usually based off of misunderstanding either because of a lack of knowledge or bad faith actors. Even still that's understandable. This is quickly becoming the norm when it comes to modern anti cheat because it kind of has to be in order to be effective, that's just the reality. What worked on a game 10 years ago doesn't cut it anymore and it just does far too much damage to competitive integrity. Our ladders at the moment are compromised and we simply cannot manually keep up or iterate fast enough. That's just the cold hard truth.
People had the same aversion to Valorant and people are voicing the same things we saw then on League today. Majority of players won't and don't care, and while that's convenient for us here, I also don't think that's good. Everyone should approach every bit of software they allow onto their machines with a bit of skepticism and an evaluation of trust. So people who are saying "I'm gonna wait and see" are getting a lot of respect from me on this one, because that's what you should do. If you already trust us then that's great because you've already asked yourself that question and done that work.
If you're still not compatible with this then that's okay too. This is just going to be part of the bargain of playing League of Legends now. We want it to have the securest environment possible, this is what it takes at this day and age. If it changes then we'll make changes, but for now this is what we feel is the right call. If you're not cool with that then that's okay. Maybe you'll change your mind or come back in a time when don't have to run this kind of anti cheat.
Sounds good to me.
I'm not sure if you have an answer for this, but I assume it's going to be fine on my PC. But it mentions that Windows 11 might have issues with Vanguard, if Vanguard is running on my PC already, I should be fine, right?
This version of Vanguard is just an adaptation for League, so if it's working with Valorant, it theoretically should be okay, even on Windows 11? Or is this windows 11 issue league specific, and I should look into it? (I probably will regardless, I just wasn't sure how similar Vanguard Valo is to Vanguard League, or are they separate entities.
Yep if it already works for you with Valorant then you should have no issues with League once Vanguard is live.
Global community manager having technical opinions about topics he doesn't understand? What a failure of a response. I would expect nothing better than an immature "bruh"
I just think there are some fundamental differences here in that what works for an MMO versus what works for an FPS or a MOBA. The standards and asks of an anti cheat solution are just vastly different.
Scope of scale is also a factor here with the size of League. Realistically you cannot scale manual detections and enforcement, or automations/detections to counter the scale of the scripting problem for example that League has outside of the kernal level, we've tried. Prevention will ultimately counter the majority of the problem in the long term which is a massive boon that we feel that League needs because we know it works with Valorant.
I believe most people aren't against the Vanguard itself (besides cheaters of course). People just don't like that something has kernel access. This dev blog is ignoring that, unless you really are a cheater you don't have issues with installing an anti-cheat, the issue is just the kernel access. That is a vulnerability to your OS, whatever you guys say.
Unfortunely, I don't believe there are other ways to circumvent this, since my guess is that probably the cheat programs also work through kernel. I must be saying something completly wrong though, since I have no idea if that's the case.
I understand you guys want to ease the playerbase, and you put several statements on the blog about privacy, but you completly ignored the issue about working on kernel level. There may not be other alternatives, but it's a bit depressing that you don't talk about that concern in this dev blog.
Again, I understand probably (?) most cheats work through kernel, I also want a game without cheats, I don't mind installing an anti-cheat engine by itself, but working through kernel is an issue to me.
Hey there,
I think this article we launched around initial Vanguard launch does a pretty good job explaining the exact "why" of kernel mode/Ring 0 driver:
https://www.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/dev-null-anti-cheat-kernel-driver/
Hey you seem like you know what you’re talking about - are keybinds to hardware devices - say binding attack move click to the “A” key, then binding the “A” key to a side mouse button - allowed in league? Sorry to waste your time with a dumb question.
Yeah, remapping like this shouldn't pose any issue that I know of. There are artificial input checks we have in VALORANT that can be blocked, but these aren't applicable to League of Legends, and these remappings aren't "artificial input", just input in a different form.
Since this is concerning a similar topic: Does using WSL2 and or Visual Studio cause problems in those regards too ? Especially WSL2 since it’s iirc always running by default.
WSL2 should work fine.
In recent months, as many as 1 in 15 games globally has had a scripter or botter in it, but in some regions, this number is as high as 1 in 5.
This part REAAAAAAALLY needed to be specified if it is in normals, arams, pre-30 games, post 30 games (prolly under normals) or in ranked.
Also, not to mention this under the FAQ section
They used cheating software for another game, and Vanguard unfortunately picked it up.
Didn't they just say that when you don't play a riot game, Vanguard is just back there staying still (menacingly)? Paraphrasing, but that shouldn't be able to happen at all then, if that were true?
Like hell, I can 100% admit that I have used trainers in single player games, and I'm not even ashamed to admit it..and those are 100% cheats, but hell if I would be mad if I got banned by Vanguard for cheating in lets say Xcom (yes they have MP, but f**k, noone plays it for MP :P) or Civ, Total War, what be it.
None of these are clever, and there's no need to be impressed
About the DDOS part. I got to say, I'm actually KINDA impressed that someone has DDOS'd a team that belongs to one of the biggest companies down there for what is now soon to be 5 months. Now don't get me wrong, nothing impressive about DDOS'ing or ruining shit for anyone, but the fact that they haven't managed to get it under control is actually KINDA impressive, if it's type 1, 2 or 3.
Last but not least, if I read the earlier parts correct, or rather, understood it correct, if you haven't bought a legitimate windows key, you're shit out of luck, is that correct? Cus of the whole signature reading thingie bajing?
Now, I don't actively play LoL anymore (uninstalled about a month or two ago, but hadn't played it for prolly a year cus all my friends quit) but I for sure wouldn't buy a legitimate windows key just to play it either (IF I understood that correctly that is) Of course, all the more power to people who do, but yeah.
I'm obviosly glad cheaters and scripters get banned, but I really do wish there was less of a "intrusive" way to do it. But if the CoD cheating pandemic is anything to go by, there just doesn't seem to be, which is REALLY a shame.
This part REAAAAAAALLY needed to be specified if it is in normals, arams, pre-30 games, post 30 games (prolly under normals) or in ranked
It's ranked games actually
Probably the wrong Post to ask this, but will Tools like the porofessor still be legal? I mean, on paper it provides additional informations, so i am not Sure there. Anyone who can help me here?
For the most part they should just all work like you would usually expect. I believe they'll need to make some changes but I'm not the expert on that information so I can't say for certain what exactly. Most of them have already made those changes as well it sounds like from what I'm told just now.
Nothing those do at least from what I'm told will trigger Vanguard.
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For league WSL2 should be ok for the time being.
is there any info on faceit anticheat and vanguard conflicting each other?
i often play a game of CS and then insta go into tft or vice versa
would I have to restart my pc to play a game of league cause I have the other AC activated?
We don't anticipate any issues for you in this case. You shouldn't have to reboot your PC after playing CS in order to play League, the drivers can both co-exist.
but that's usually based off of misunderstanding either because of a lack of knowledge or bad faith actors.
I'm seeing parallels between this situation and the COVID vaccine lol
For example there's definitely been a noticeable trend of people claiming they were the victim of a false positive and attempting to create a narrative against Vanguard for League, only upon review to be discovered that they were blatantly cheating.
We're seeing it happen as weird and strange as it is. I just don't understand why people do that.
Sorry, quick confirmation:
My fiancée who has played valorant does not have TPM 2.0 (They aren't elligble to upgrade to Windows 11 (in the proper method) because of it.) did the requirement change recently in Valorant or is TPM 2.0 not required for League?(We are starting to look at what we can do to upgrade their computer fairly quickly, given the 20 day turnaround if the Vanguard requirement goes live in 14.9 (May 1st))
Thanks!
TPM 2.0 will be required for Windows 11 machines to play League.
(Won't be required for previous versions of supported windows for now)
Hello there. I used AHK to press down key combinations, there is no logic involved. Is this bannable with Vanguard?
For example, I have my top 3 item slot actives bound to numpad 1-3. I will have Q trigger numpad1, W triggers numpad2, and E triggers numpad3. This way I can "attach" item arrived to certain spell keys.
I do this because I have RSI and struggled to hold the shift key or press further away keys than what is right below my hand.
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1c1kgrk/dev_vanguard_x_lol/kz4dl39/ K30 says it better here than I'd be able to. hope that answers what you're wonderin.
3 things quickly:
Back to point 6: If, hypothetically, I use a trainer tool on a single player game. Would this be something seen by vanguard and risk a ban? Or will vanguard just whinge crash my LoL/Val game until I close it? Does Vanguard even see this if I don't have Valorant/LoL open?
Does Vanguard run while the LoL client is open or only when a LoL game actually starts?
Does Vanguard run while the Riot Client is running or only during the launch of above Riot games?
If you're using a prohibited third party tool related to League in training mode, there's a good chance you'd still get actioned.
It'll run when the respective clients of the games open, but not Riot Client.exe itself. So, if you are logged in on Riot Client, vgc.exe (which is the actual Vanguard program) launches when you click the Play button for League of Legends and the client pops up, and then closes once you close the client.
Perfect thank you ! Visual Studio should be fine too I guess ?
Yep, should be good. If you ever want to try anything yourself though to make sure, we are running in the PBE, if you have an account there.
To clarify point 1. I meant a non-Riot game. Lets for example here, say I'm using a trainer on Far-Cry 2; an old, single player game.
After a brief lookup of some I found online, seems like it would be ok. If it’s one that’s just a bundled CheatEngine or other similar products, you may encounter an issue. We’d look to close League during that interaction though, not to ban the individual account.
Can we get a breakdown of cheaters PER SERVER? Because Asia is a majority of players. China alone has 29 servers. So if the only statistic you give is is based on totals numbers then it seems flawed and dubious as if you were using Asia's higher cheating statistics to push Vanguard on the remaining players. I would love a graph with each server laid out and each amount of cheaters per rank on each server.
None of the numbers or graphs contain data from outside of riot regions. So no they wouldn't impact the numbers we shared here.
I'm on Windows 10 and I can't even play valorant because it ask for TPM 2.0 to be enable or to deactivate VBS and I will not deactivate VBS just to play a game. This mean vanguard for LOL is different?
Vanguard for LoL doesn’t have the current restriction system that VALORANT has for certain players.
If you’re on Windows 10 and you’re getting this message on VALORANT and you can’t support TPM 2.0, please write into Player Support. If you have already, you can message me your ticket number.
I have CheatEngine installed which I have used for years on FIFA career modes (to install face mods). Is having it installed/open going to cause any f**kery with Vanguard?
I have CheatEngine installed which I have used for years on FIFA career modes (to install face mods). Is having it installed/open going to cause any f*ckery with Vanguard?
I think K3o can probably say it better than me. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1c1kgrk/dev_vanguard_x_lol/kz3yi9u/?share_id=HibAEyoDgZgQOqPJUCFjv Hope this answers your question.
So far not 1 rioter responded to similar claims, or any security concerns.
It's more important to reply to comments about "lulz cheater outsource mails to fiverr lul".
It has been responded to on other social medias ( https://x.com/deteccphilippe/status/1778502812403700045?s=46&t=iCQaeykeGHTksKoO4TeHHw ), but if you can prove this is happening, we do have a bug bounty program operated by HackerOne offering significant monetary sums to anyone who finds a vulnerability
https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/a-message-about-vanguard-from-our-security-privacy-teams
Ummm
Scope
Reports for exploits leveraging the anti-cheat kernel driver vgk.sys.
What does that have to do with your original claim that the "driver" is not calling home, and OP saying it is calling home even when the game is not running? That's obviously "a feature" that you installed, not an exploit
If vgk.sys is communicating externally when vgc.exe isn’t on, that’s not intended functionality. It would be eligible for a bug bounty.
Are lobby reveal softwares bannable?
Yes
That being said, it's a pretty niche case
PR is saying that people pirating software is a "pretty niche case".
Most pirated software does not require DevOverrideEnable, which is the largest collision I’ve seen here (and was referenced in the blog as well).
You were right it was based to wait, my buddy just got his PC bricked by your anti-cheat great job! I will now be uninstalling your game
Yeah call me skeptical but I don't believe you based on this last exchange.
If however you're telling the truth I'd encourage your buddy to ticket in so we can help them.
Hello
Did you guys apply a micropatch since yesterday? I was able to play normally but now i can't get in cause "We couldn't install a required dependency"
We did release an update about 2.5 hours ago. You may still have a game open somewhere in the background (when u alt-f4 val it doesnt always close val for example). Rebooting your PC ought to make sure everything's right.
If you're still having the issue, try uninstalling via the Control Panel (not from the System Tray), then launch the game and install again that way.
I'd love to know if the initial reboot solves for you or not, if you're willing to come back and let me know. Hope this fixes for you.
Rebooting didn't work (tried 3 times in like a 2 hour period)
I uninstalled Vanguard and reinstalled and that did work, thanks!
So glad to hear it. GLHF!
Hi, tacking onto this to get some assistance.
I've recently come across vanguard error 185, which doesn't let me access certain things online. For example, while I can access the shop in the client and start a game, I can't see match history. Other things I can't access include:
old.reddit (but I can access new.reddit)
escape from tarkov servers (my game gets stuck at "loading profile data" screen)
I also had a blue screen crash during a tft game. I have tried several restarts, but the problem persists on both my normal network and my hotspot
Could you try exiting Vanguard (right click Vanguard in the system tray and select Exit Vanguard) and then trying Ctrl+R on old.reddit to do a hard refresh and see if it still fails to load? Just on reading this, it sounds more like you're having an internet issue that caused the 185, but due to how it looked on your machine it feels like it was the 185 that caused the internet issue. Vanguard can't impact things like website access and wouldn't be doing any actions when you play other games. This would help confirm that Vanguard wasn't causing those hiccups.