[2023] Infinity Edge is miserably overshadowed

Originally posted by VaporaDark

People buy ie when then are ahead

It's not that, you and the person you replied to are misinterpreting the stats. Guinsoo's on average for Twitch is built at 19 minutes, IE at 25 minutes. Meaning Guinsoo's is typically built as 2nd item, and IE more commonly as 3rd. The later into a build an item is, the higher its winrate will be as you are more likely to get deep into your build while ahead than while behind, so the games when you're behind don't get into 3rd item IE's stats as much as the games where you're ahead do. This is called survivorship bias. It also means that more expensive items also suffer from this, as when you're comparing a 2700 gold item vs a 3400 gold item, the 2700 gold item is more likely to have been completed in losing games than the 3400 one, meaning its winrate will be less inflated.

Every item winrate suffers from survivorship bias to a very certain extent, even first items, but you have to absolutely take it into account for 2nd and 3rd items as it makes a dramatic difference. To properly interpret Twitch's IE vs Guinsoo's winrate, you'd have to compare Guinsoo's vs IE at 2nd item, and Guinsoo's 3 item build vs IE 3 item build.

Bork into Guinsoo's on Twitch has a 54.85% winrate on 13.10, while Bork into IE has a 54.19% winrate, despite Guinsoo's costing 200 gold less meaning a less inflated winrate. At 2 items there is no question that the stats point to Guinsoo's being better.

At 3 items, the best IE winrate is Bork -> Runaan's -> IE, and this is a .8% higher winrate than Bork -> Guinsoo's -> Runaan's, but sample size is an issue for this relatively uncommon build and its true winrate may actually still be lower. FWIW Bork -> Runaan's -> Guinsoo's also has a 1% higher winrate than the IE variation, so even if we were to take all the numbers at face value that would still put Guinsoo's builds on top of IE builds.

So long story short, proper interpretation of the stats (at least to my best ability) shows IE to be worse than Guinsoo's on Twitch, not better. Saying that people buy IE when they're ahead is baseless. It could be true (and that would make its inflated winrate even worse than it looks) but we have no way to confirm it, so you shouldn't present it as a fact like that when there are other factors that explain it having a higher winrate than Guinsoo's while allegedly (and probably) being worse.

Originally posted by UngodlyPain

This, galeforce just needs nerfs. Its really stupid how strong Phreak/Riot decided to overbuff it cause idiots thought IE was so strong galeforce would be unusable. The dash alone on it is strong, now it's also a NUKE of an active.

Edit: also it's probably stronger 1-3 items cause the active ain't RNG based and it gives attack speed which is huge early game for dps.

Originally posted by Spiderbubble

Yeah honestly I don’t get why Riot is doubling down so hard on the mythic items. Just get rid of the concept already. It isn’t fun to have your champ’s viability be completely reliant on what mythics are strong.

Having everything be legendary is so much more fun. You can mix and match items way more and it allows more variety in item builds.

Originally posted by Pale-Ad4624

It just feels bad to have every other class get an op first item(mythic) except adc, and I’m not even an adc player. It’s a little telling that every champ that can buy something other than ie is buying something else