[2020] Eternals are overpriced and not worth it at all.

Originally posted by SedOfAstora

To be fair I thought of these in 10sec while typing out a Reddit comment. And its enough to prove every idiot can atleast improve on Riots Eternals, not to mention how much better they would be if they were actually good. No hate on the second Varus Eternal though :P That one would be great.

Originally posted by OhItsPreston

Here's some feedback if you're interested.

My issue with Eternals right now is that when you achieve a milestone for Eternals, it doesn't always correlate with having a big moment in game, and I think that's a major failure of the system.

Here's an example-- Braum has an Eternal that measures how much damage you have blocked with his E. I don't think this is a good Eternal because I don't care how much damage that my support Braum has blocked with his E over the course of his lifetime playing Braum.

If you told me that my ally Braum has blocked 400,000 damage with his E, I wouldn't know what that meant because there isn't any context as to how many games he has played with Braum. If he's played 400,000 games of Braum then I would be very concerned about his gameplay, and if he has played 1 game of Braum I'd think he was the best player ever.

I think this is the crux of the issue with Eternals. Because I don't care about my teammate's Eternal stats, I don't care whenever they show up. Imagine, for example, a game where an ally Braum player is having a really rough game. He's 0/10, he's really struggling, and he's single handedly costing us a game. We get into a big fight, he makes a mistake, E's in the wrong direction, and throws the fight, but he manages to block just enough damage that he gets a milestone and everyone sees it. That's not a big moment, not for him, and certainly not for the team. And I think achieving a milestone should be a big moment for everyone in the game.

What's my solution to this? Simple-- make Eternal stats track single plays, instead of life time acheivements. In other words, make them independent of number of games played. Instead of tracking how much damage Braum has blocked with his E over all time, why don't we track the most amount of damage Braum has blocked with a single E? That way, if you tell me "Braum has blocked 4000 damage with a single E," that's impressive no matter what. It could be his 4th game or 40th or 400th game on the champion, blocking 4000 damage with a single skill is impressive as hell.

This also makes achieving milestones memorable for everyone involved. That teamfight where Braum stood in front of MF ult and single handedly saved the fight? His contribution and acheivement is immediately recognized with an Eternals shoutout. Acheiving that milestone is a memorable moment in that moment.

This proposed system makes Eternal milestones mean something every time they pop up, since it makes Eternals about celebrating good plays instead of lifetime stack trackers. Because while I don't care about my teammate's lifetime stats, I do care about his individual good plays in my game.

Does that make sense? It makes the Eternal milestones mean something other than arbitrary tally marks.

I think literally any Eternal can be made cooler and more fun by doing this one exact fix.

Instead of "Amount of damage Poppy has blocked with her Shield," you can do "Most amount of damage Poppy has blocked with her Shield in 1 minute."

Instead of "Number of champions hit twice by Death Ray twice" for Viktor, you can do "Most amount of champions hit twice by Death Ray in 1 minute."

Instead of "Number of champions hit by Void Ooze" for Kog'maw, you can do.... "Most amount of time enemy champions spent on Void Ooze within 1 minute." (this one is kinda lame...)

But do you see what I mean? Instead of seeing "Poppy has blocked the 1,000,000,000th damage with her Shield!" and thinking to myself "eh, whatever," I could see "Poppy has blocked 700 damage with her Shield in the past minute!" This likely occurred during an extended teamfight, and I could be like "Wait, exactly HOW MUCH damage did she block??" That's so much cooler than just an arbitrary big number.

Originally posted by DarkwingGT

Are personal bests per game or lifetime?

And to that point, what is the goal here? To show off great moments in gameplay or to simply act as a records book? If it's the former, this definitely will not achieve that goal, if it's the latter, then ok, I see it.

The issue I have with the latter is that you basically will never see the Eternal again after a small section of games. You'll just have a really great game at some point, hit a high mark on the Eternal and then will probably go months if not years before you see it again. "Wow that's awesome, I had a stand out game and blocked 5k damage with a single Braum shield" But if you look at it was because they had a level 18 MF with 4 Infernals who for some reason built 6 IEs and you realize that it will be years before the stars align again to even give you the opportunity to try again.

The former would feel more fun in that even if you had that amazing best shield block ever in a game two weeks ago, if in your current game you block 4999 instead of 5k you'd still get a "Hey, that was pretty amazing, it's rare to do that and we thought everyone should know".

Originally posted by TheReconditeRedditor

I had no idea about this. It definitely changes my opinion on whether or not to pick one up. It's possible that other people don't know about this either? I'm not sure it was advertised to be part of the package and it's a really compelling selling point. If it was, I just missed it then.

Originally posted by stunna006

Is the grind really long tho? Honest question i havent checked

Originally posted by Krishnoff

u/The_Cactopus say something coward

Originally posted by OhItsPreston

Here's some feedback if you're interested.

My issue with Eternals right now is that when you achieve a milestone for Eternals, it doesn't always correlate with having a big moment in game, and I think that's a major failure of the system.

Here's an example-- Braum has an Eternal that measures how much damage you have blocked with his E. I don't think this is a good Eternal because I don't care how much damage that my support Braum has blocked with his E over the course of his lifetime playing Braum.

If you told me that my ally Braum has blocked 400,000 damage with his E, I wouldn't know what that meant because there isn't any context as to how many games he has played with Braum. If he's played 400,000 games of Braum then I would be very concerned about his gameplay, and if he has played 1 game of Braum I'd think he was the best player ever.

I think this is the crux of the issue with Eternals. Because I don't care about my teammate's Eternal stats, I don't care whenever they show up. Imagine, for example, a game where an ally Braum player is having a really rough game. He's 0/10, he's really struggling, and he's single handedly costing us a game. We get into a big fight, he makes a mistake, E's in the wrong direction, and throws the fight, but he manages to block just enough damage that he gets a milestone and everyone sees it. That's not a big moment, not for him, and certainly not for the team. And I think achieving a milestone should be a big moment for everyone in the game.

What's my solution to this? Simple-- make Eternal stats track single plays, instead of life time acheivements. In other words, make them independent of number of games played. Instead of tracking how much damage Braum has blocked with his E over all time, why don't we track the most amount of damage Braum has blocked with a single E? That way, if you tell me "Braum has blocked 4000 damage with a single E," that's impressive no matter what. It could be his 4th game or 40th or 400th game on the champion, blocking 4000 damage with a single skill is impressive as hell.

This also makes achieving milestones memorable for everyone involved. That teamfight where Braum stood in front of MF ult and single handedly saved the fight? His contribution and acheivement is immediately recognized with an Eternals shoutout. Acheiving that milestone is a memorable moment in that moment.

This proposed system makes Eternal milestones mean something every time they pop up, since it makes Eternals about celebrating good plays instead of lifetime stack trackers. Because while I don't care about my teammate's lifetime stats, I do care about his individual good plays in my game.

Does that make sense? It makes the Eternal milestones mean something other than arbitrary tally marks.

I think literally any Eternal can be made cooler and more fun by doing this one exact fix.

Instead of "Amount of damage Poppy has blocked with her Shield," you can do "Most amount of damage Poppy has blocked with her Shield in 1 minute."

Instead of "Number of champions hit twice by Death Ray twice" for Viktor, you can do "Most amount of champions hit twice by Death Ray in 1 minute."

Instead of "Number of champions hit by Void Ooze" for Kog'maw, you can do.... "Most amount of time enemy champions spent on Void Ooze within 1 minute." (this one is kinda lame...)

But do you see what I mean? Instead of seeing "Poppy has blocked the 1,000,000,000th damage with her Shield!" and thinking to myself "eh, whatever," I could see "Poppy has blocked 700 damage with her Shield in the past minute!" This likely occurred during an extended teamfight, and I could be like "Wait, exactly HOW MUCH damage did she block??" That's so much cooler than just an arbitrary big number.

Originally posted by OhItsPreston

Don't get me wrong-- I think the current Eternals system definitely has value. One of my friends, for example, is a Lulu one trick, and a huge SKT fan. Since Faker got his 2000th kill recently (basically a Faker eternal :P), my group decided that when she gets her 2000th Lulu knockup we're going out for drinks. That's so cool, and it would've been impossible without the Eternals system.

But I care about my friend, and I care about her achievements in League. At the end of the day, I don't really care about whether my teammate got his lifetime milestone or not, I care that about the plays they made in my game.

If I were Riot, that would be the largest issue to address right now. I believe a major reason why some players feel dissatisfied about Eternals is because they don't see why they should care about a teammate's achievements. I think players also understand that their teammates don't care about their Eternals. I think if these were addressed, Eternals would instantly become a huge hit. That's why I really like the idea of Eternals being tied to gameplay within specific games.

I also really like the Big Boi Blocks idea, because I think it leads very naturally into a super cool feature. How awesome would it be if buying the Eternal meant that at the end of the game, there was a highlights option that showcased all of your Big Boi Blocks. How cool would it be if at the end of the game there was a mini-highlight reel that showcased each player's major Eternals milestones? That would make Eternals an awesome cosmetic feature solves a lot of current frustrations I think.

Now I totally get that wouldn't be a trivial thing for you guys to do, and I'm sure you guys have floated these ideas around in discussion sessions. I've been playing since Season 2, and dang, you guys have really tough jobs trying to satisfy everyone with these products. Thanks for taking the time to read this, and I hope that everything goes smoothly moving forwards with future releases <3.