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Generally, when people complain about lack of skins for champs it's someone complaining about the following champs. Obviously there are random ones mixed in like Xerath but these seem to be the main three. Their pickrates are (source u.gg , combined all ranks all regions):

Taliyah - (doesn't even have a midlane pickrate but for jungle) is at 1%

Ornn - 3.6%

Rek'Sai - 2%

This means their combined pick rate is 6.6%. The classic champion people complain about getting skins is Kai'Sa. Her pickrate is 18.7%. Riot's skin team is not infinite. Their resources are limited. If Riot theoretically assigned a team to make a skin for each of those 3 champions, the combined sales of those three skins would be a third of if they made a Kai'sa skin. Essentially, 9 times as many resources would have to be used to match a single Kai'Sa skin.

However, the majority of players are in Silver and so the majority of skin sales would come from Silver players. In Silver:

Taliyah - I sh*t you not, Taliyah doesn't even exist in Silver. Her playrate is too small to be registered, both in mid and jngl

Ornn - 3.2%

Rek'Sai - 1.3%

This is a combined 4.6%, even lower than when combining all elos. Kai'Sa has a pickrate in Silver of 15.7%, so again about a third if they made a skin for each champion. It just isn't economical to put the resources and money into any one of those champs. I personally play alot of Rek'Sai and I like her base model more than any of the skins for her. Ornn has one of the best 1350 skins there is in Thunderlord (in my opinion) and Taliyah has just way too small of a pickrate for it to be economically the correct decision. I don't know why people make so many posts so angry about these champions not getting skins when for one chances are they wouldn't actually buy the skin themselves, and two when Riot at the end of the day has to make money.

Edit - shoutout to the guy who commented: "most people complaining about Hitler probably weren't Jews either, yet we don't blame them for hypocrisy."

Edit, some people are struggling so I'll clear some things up:

  • "Riot might not make as much profit this year" - League is a free game. Riot has an insane amount of costs within the company on running Worlds, maintaining the game, paying staff etc. Their money does not go directly into profit, they rely on skins to keep the game afloat. Alot of people have literally no idea how business works. Stop commenting "it wouldn't hurt to make a Rek'Sai skin". This is the concept of opportunity cost. They have investments to make and costs to cover (seeing as they're releasing like 8 games this year), obviously, they will put resources into gaining 15 times more money when making skins, that's the nature of opportunity cost. If someone asked you to mow a lawn and said you can mow one of two identical lawns, exact same workload, but one would earn you £1 and the other £15, which lawn would you mow?
  • Making skins take around 5-6 months, it's not something they can just do one afternoon. It's a resource commitment.
  • "Those champs are overnerfed and unpopular while Kai'Sa is OP" - Lee Sin has a massive 28% playrate on patch 9.23. Lucian, who was pretty sh*t in 9.23 had a 18.7% playrate. When Taliyah was in her most broken state ever she never went above a 10% playrate, even in high elo. This argument is not relevant. These champs are just not enjoyed by much of the playerbase even when Taliyah was the most broken Jungler in the game
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almost 5 years ago - /u/RiotAugust - Direct link

Originally posted by Sparecash

I mean obviously you're right otherwise riot would have released a skin for them by now. With that said, I do have a few counter points.

  • pick rate can change, all it takes is a sizeable buff to any of these Champs and they could easily shoot up to 8-10% pick rate. Even if a champ is not popular now that doesn't mean it will never be popular.

  • When people buy champion, they expect it to be supported. I feel like it's a bad look to release a champ and then never release another skin for that champ.

Not really. Champions like Taliyah are SO UNPOPULAR that people won't even play them when they're the best champs in the game.

almost 5 years ago - /u/RiotAugust - Direct link

Originally posted by Orageux101

Pretty sure Taliyah had an amazing play rate before it was nerfed into oblivion.

nope

almost 5 years ago - /u/RiotAugust - Direct link

Originally posted by DeadBerserker

Gonna give my two cents, since, well, look at my flair.

It's known that players who main these low-pickrate champions are what you could call "true" enthusiasts; it doesn't matter if the champion is garbage or not, they keep playing because they genuinely like the champion.

In fact, that's why, at least prior to his mini-rework, Aurelion Sol had one of the highest winrates in midlane, despite his pickrate being one of the lowest. The only people who played him were people who played him frequently, because they genuinely liked the champion. Aurelion was stuck with his release skin for quite a while, until Riot relented and gave him Mecha, which is incredibly underwhelming; I don't know for certain the "buyrate" for the skin, but if it's low, it's completely understandable. But I can assure you, if he got a good skin, it would sell.

Compare with Kai'sa, for example, who has one the highest pickrates and winrates of all adcs ever since her release. I'm a toplaner and if I'm autofilled bot, I'm sure as hell playing Kai'sa because, if she gets to have high winrates and pickrates, that means she's strong. And for a fact, when I play adc, I do play Kai'sa. She's incredibly easy to play, despite claims otherwise, but stupidly overloaded. But, unlike Ornn or Mordekaiser, for example, I can't be bothered to get skins for Kai'sa because I don't like the champion. But still, I'll play her if I need to. See the difference?

Hell, even Galio got two actually good skins since his rework, despite also not being that much picked in comparison to other midlaners. And while you could say that there was a time when he was a meta pick, so were Ornn, Taliyah, Rek'sai, Kindred, and many others.

Also, I think your point is misguided in the sense that it's not like we're against popular champions getting skins. In fact, it's completely understandable that they would be given more skins. The game's free and selling skins is one way to generate revenue so to keep the game running; it's only natural you would try to sell what's more popular. What we are against, however, is completely ignoring champions because, unless absolutely no one plays a champion, they have a playerbase and should be given a little attention. We want what Riot has been doing with skinlines like Infernal, Omen of the Dark, Coven, or Elderwood (which has been "leaked" to be the next Ornn skin and I'll instantly buy it, chromas and all, if it is); give them to popular champions, but also include non-popular champions; you'll please both the higher and lower playerbase mains. We are against champions waiting for 3+ seasons until they get a mediocre skin because "it won't sell, so we won't give it much effort, and when it doesn't sell, we'll just use circular reasoning".

Low pick rate justifying a high winrate "because the mains" is just straight incorrect. Fun fact for you: On any given patch, the average Yasuo or Riven player you see in game will have more games on their champion than the average ASol. Turns out Riven and Yasuo are played a lot AND mained a lot.

almost 5 years ago - /u/RiotAugust - Direct link

Originally posted by Mister-Manager

I think this argument is bunk when you look at the playrates of other champions who receive a lot of skins (according to champion.gg)

Lux- 2.18%

Ahri- 3.11%

Akali- 4.08%

Qiyana- 3.88% (Hasn't received a lot of skins yet but obviously will considering how she already has a post release skin)

All these champs get loads of skin attention but don't have playrates that are significantly higher than Ornn. Just imagine how unpopular they'd be if they never got any skins...like Ornn.

Lux is one of the most played champions in the game.

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