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They were supposed to work Together. Riot completly missed the mark here. Unfortunately nowadays they come down to: - RFC > useful range extender - STORMRAZOR > waste of gold

Stormrazor sits at third lowest buyrate in the game at 0.3%, where Hydra has 14% and botrk over 9%

There were many changes, but they eventually gave up - Their passives combined very Well with Stattik Shivv. Imagine a aoe long range slow. - damage didnt stack but could crit. - stormrazor icreased all energized effects by 35% - RPD made all energized effects charge faster

Making them not crit made it so bard and TF can abuse RPD. Stormrazor changes made it the worst item in the game. All their synergies were deleted. And after deletion of Stattik Shivv, the combo died for good. The poke ADC playstyle got removed by force but it remains stay untouched.

That concept was interesting imo. Adc's items could use some more diversity, especially in season 13 preseason since they got the least changes.

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almost 2 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Stormrazor is actually strong and has several very good users, such as Jinx, Tristana, and Jhin.

But it’s never found its home among bot laners for whatever reason. So it definitely needs something to make players feel differently but the item is actually good.

almost 2 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by Mysaladisdead

But like that would be expecting adc players to build good which would be too much to ask

I mean yeah I think a lot of bot laners exhibit pretty poor critical thinking. But also, if across the entire world for three seasons the item doesn’t get bought, something should probably be done with the item to make it more exciting.

almost 2 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by darksidedearth

have you guys considered readding statikk shiv? i know me and a lot of other adcs would love to have it back, ik it had a soft return through hextech drag but the concept was so fun

btw why did yall remove it in the first place?

Yeah I love Statikk shiv myself.

almost 2 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by UNOvven

What are you basing this on? Looking at Jhin, I can't see him wanting an item that has such meh stats for him over either collector (the biggest raw damage spike for Jhin early on) or RFC (movement speed is too good), and by the time you can get it as your fifth item, you dont really value the slow. Tristana and Jinx also dont seem like they would want Stormrazor, they want raw attack speed, and then IE and armour pen, and again, at fifth item stormrazor is just not worth it.

Auto attack making W undodgeable is a LOT of power.

Jinx loves raw attack speed in rocket form. And applying a big slow at 725 range is a big deal.

Tristana wants enough time to get her four post-E autos off. Not requiring rocket jump for the slow is a big deal.

In all cases, no ADC wants to skip a +AD item second.

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Originally posted by Foucz

slow cannot really be a big deal enough if none of those champions build frozen malllet when it existed

The damage compromise on Stormrazor is essentially zero, while the damage compromise on Frozen Mallet is rather large. That's not a very apt comparison in my view.

almost 2 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by Beerspaz12

Stormrazor is actually strong and has several very good users, such as Jinx

Would I buy it second as Jinx? I feel like that's my zeal spot, then IE, LDR and likely BT. Am I Jinxing wrong? I mean my winrate and rank says I am but I still want to read you say it

You don't need a zeal every game. You don't need life steal every game. You don't need tank busting every game. You have all these spots spoken for and yet you don't need those spots filled every game.

Maybe slowing Darius to make it easier to dog-pile him is more important than ~20 movement speed.

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Originally posted by sd_pinstripes

But can't you just go Krakens --> BF Sword --> PD/ RFC ---> Finish IE

That build sounds very bad.

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Originally posted by Needleburst3

Why would jinx or tristana ever build stormrazor over PD 2nd why would jhin ever not build rfc 2nd when it’s a staple item that prevents inting

Why would Jinx or Tristana build it? Because crowd control can be useful.

Why would Jhin ever not build RFC? At risk of appealing to authority, Masters+ Jhins build Collector (edit: 2nd) more often than they build RFC, so maybe ask them. Stormrazor and Collector both deal substantially more damage than RFC. Maybe re-examine how you're playing and figure out if you actually need RFC after all.

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Originally posted by Razetony

I'm gonna give you a build I think is strong and want you to tell me if I'm calling the next ap shyvanna or going bronze brain.

Crit Ezreal. Essence Reaver > Any mythic (I like kraken) > Navori Quickblades (Q is 1 sec CD on hit) > Storm razor. I know Q can't crit, but with Navori you can stack the attack speed passive up so you aren't just relying on Q damage like the Divine Sunderer/Muramana build.

It could be good. I think in the average game, standard ability haste poke Ezreal is better, but if you find yourself needing sustained damage at the end of champion select, there might be room for it.

Kinda does sound like AP Shyvana a bit, as it's not the most powerful build for the champion but there may be reasons to run it.

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Originally posted by FlaccidFather15

Don’t forget Cait. Easy trap/net follow up

Yep, she's good with it, too. Similar to Jinx: Setting up a pick just by being able to auto.

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Originally posted by Foucz

Yes that is fair, however i do not recall frozen mallet begin good for the slow even as 7th iteam and stormrazor slow is very short, i think stormrazor was good before because it was cheap and the proc did enough damage. ADC mythics are so good that picking stormrazor does not feel like a good option anymore and after laning phase it does not give enough opportunity to be used well.

Kog'Maw had some Frozen Mallet builds, since he didn't care as much about the other traditional scalars and just wanted to ensure someone died during the W duration. Permaslow aided that.

There's no shot you're in the laning phase at two items unless you're giga-fed. It's all ad-hoc mid-game fights at that point. You'd be surprised how often that slow can matter.

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Originally posted by LeVentNoir

Hey Phreak, 800,000 mastery silver jinx here.

What build order do you see Stormrazer on Jinx fitting into? Kraken, Stormrazer, Rapidfire? KS, PD, SR? It doesn't seem to fit in anywhere nciely.

Kraken Stormrazor IE.

almost 2 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by LeVentNoir

Thanks Phreak! I'll try it out in my games tonight.

GLHF!