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Why do people hate him? Like he talks with every pro player and they do agree with him but to the average reddit analyst who is at gold 2, he is an idiot. And the reasons? Well the team he coached sucks (BBQ had a win rate of ~14.85% now compared to 60% when he played and the management is pretty bad as well), he cheated in starcraft (so many reddit comments in the other posts https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/dukcaj/ls_rants_after_finals_about_how_much_doinb_sucks/

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/duhxrw/ls_rants_about_doinb_and_fnc_performance_at_worlds/

I won't point the individual points because I am not picking a fight, there is no need to) but who cares if this is true or not? I honestly think it does not matter and does not affect his credibility in League in anyway, since he only commentates, streams and does give proper instruction to those who ask him. It is like saying a person is bad in maths because he cheated in Social sciences, that he treats pros like robots and his analogy to a card game (Magic the gathering IIRC). TBH, every one of these reasons are not credible at all.

LS never treats a team game like robots. Yes, when he watches an individual player I do think he asks too much from that player every time (like he even points out the AA cancels etc) which I can't agree with, but when talking about the whole game state in a scenario or a freeze frame, he never asks players to do the impossible. All the solutions that he provides are related to a better map reading, deductive reasoning and decision making but not about mechanical skill and making cool and impossible plays. He, more than any one, never considers pro players to be robots (when looking at the over all game state) and he only expects them to have a more clear understanding. Which should be possible TBH, better decisions can be made if you understand the game more, and I expect pros to do that. Mechanically skilled players can even be found in plat/diamond, but pros are not just mechanical gods, they should be more (Best example: Damwon Gaming. Canyon, Showmaker and Nuguri all finished top 5 in EU soloq but they lost, these guys are pretty high in KR soloq also).

Secondly, drafts. LS criticized most teams' drafts this worlds. But he did not just criticize them, he also explained how they work and what are the better picks etc. People are all treating as if draft is not a part of the game and are like LS said "SKT played better than G2 what a sore looser KEKW" but in reality, draft is a part of the game and it is a very unique strength of G2. When analysts and every one saying G2 are flexible, they did not mean G2 can play all the 152 champions of the game, they meant G2 had very good draft moves and they actually rated G2's drafts very highly. There is nothing wrong with G2 winning the game because they won a draft, a war should always be fought in favorable conditions. SKT played well, or may be even better, but no matter how good an army is, knives can't beat guns and Pistols can't beat machine guns (except may be in the hands of John Wick).

When he said Doinb is bad, people are like "he is the world champion, LS is salty and malding because KR did not win". Veteran was like "EU beating KR is better than World championship". Like, wth. No player is perfect. Even in chess (I am bringing this analogy from the other post, one of the above 2), Magnus carlsen is not perfect as long as he looses to Alpha Zero or some other AI chess program. Hell, even Alpha Zero is not perfect if there is a better maching that can calculate more. But still, Magnus is one of the greatest chess players and he did achieve number 1 ranking. Is he flawless, absolutely not. Is there a chance to win him, absolutely, you just have to be alpha zero. But most people can not. In the same way, is Doinb one of the best? Yes. Is he flawless? No. Are there ways to punish nautilus mid? Yes, if not, people would have picked nautilus a long time ago. But are the teams at worlds able to do it? No. I do think he nitpicked too much on Doinb, but I still think if you purely think from a point of view that wants to perfect league of legends, it is understandable.

People say League is not a game of robots and it can not be perfected. But I disagree. Everything in this world is perfected. Just as League in season 1 does not even come close to league in 2015 (when SKT were the team that was closest to perfection, but still not because they lost 1 game in finals), the league now will also have to evolve. And the place where it evolves in not solo q, but pro play. Solo que will only find strategies for a particular lane (like frostmancy, Sona Taric etc) but in the end, pro play defines how the game is played. And because of this, one should always strive to achieve perfection and criticizing anything less is not a bad thing.

TLDR:
Instead of hating him, calm down and f*cking listen to him (yes my title).

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about 5 years ago - /u/Aladin001 - Direct link

Why when he's just going to throw insults back like he did to Peter Dun and Brokenshard on twitter even though they were proven exactly correct?

about 5 years ago - /u/Aladin001 - Direct link

Originally posted by xeamek

How were they proven? LS actually asked high level players and pro players to go simulate this match up over and over, while Peter said something like "naut gets 3 free roams". Like what does that even means? When they get to roam, how that realistically impact mid and few other things. You can't just say that you won't loose hard favored for enemy game just because your support will come

Because the game went exactly how they predicted? LS has no f*cking idea how FPX plays and refuses to even entertain the idea that playing another way than his perfect vision is good.

about 5 years ago - /u/Aladin001 - Direct link

Originally posted by xeamek

Results-based arguments aren't really the thing you want consider when thinking critically about situation. Yes, challenger on yuumi can outplay gold zed. That does change though how you see matchup? When determining if one champion beats the other do you just look on one single game or do you analyse champion kits and just think about how they interact with each other? Did doinb won? Yes, great. But that doesn't mean it was objectively best way to play the game.

It's not a results based argument, it's an argument based on how FPX play the game. LS doesn't take that into account and that's why his analysis was bad.