[2023] MSI Meta is Making The Lane Imbalance in the Game Obvious

Originally posted by rengomoment

Thats not true.

If adc wasnt broken then there would be answers to these teamfighting comps.

Assasins like Zed would be picked so that they can eleminate the ADC and render the Tank comp worthless.

But its not happening Because with BT overheal ADcs have a billion ehp.

Originally posted by Blank-612

Blame phreak, he gave into reddit whining and made adc shielding and enchanters gigabusted in higher mmrs so that low elos can feel good about adc.

Originally posted by EkkoIRL

What happened is that phreak reduced the adc spike by a whole f**king item and called it a power neutral change

Originally posted by l9shredder

so whats the counterplay and counter to adcs if not assassins lmao

Originally posted by pippo_sella

But also doesnt seem Fair that both are Building damage items but one gets 500-800 shield while having a lulu/Leona/rakan/nautilus and other 3 role peeling for him

Originally posted by pippo_sella

Yea, i Remember those and personally liked them more; but i think that split pushing Is not as rewarding as grouping as 5 and walk down mid as of today.

Also on a side note, can i ask why whit the adc items rework u guys are putting AP damages almost everywhere? I didnt do the match but from next patch almost every adc Will do Hybrid damage no?

Originally posted by GA_Deathstalker

The problem though is that the game is now dragon-centric. There's only so much you can achieve while giving up 3 dragons. Most games nowadays are centered around dragon fights compared to season 2018, 2019. Splitpushers aren't played at all. I know it's an incredibly difficult task, but it feels like the variety died with Dragon Souls and the shift got more and more apparent over the years.

Btw just to add that: I appreciate that you're in the comments and your youtube content to add more context to the decisions even if I and others might disagree with some of them. Thank you for that breath of fresh air :)

Originally posted by Phr33k101

But in pro play we can assume that most, if not all, top laners are capable of playing sidelaners at a high level. Some, like Zeus, even made a name for themselves in this way. Even so, the pro play meta is pretty much just a deathball vs deathball affair, despite what you are saying about playing the cross-map and splitting the enemy team. So if the counter to deathball comps is making them split up, and top laners are presumably capable of playing these more split-oriented champions and strategies, why are we not seeing that at the highest levels? I dont pretend to be a league expert by any means, but it seems like objectives are just too important to give up in a cross map, and ADCs are so important to getting those objectives that funneling everything into them is the way to go in the upper echelons.

With full respect therefore, saying "ADC isnt that game-warping, just play the cross map and split them bro" sounds like the game-dev equivalent of the "Olaf is easy to counter man, just kite him man" we saw until recently. If all it took to balance ADC was good macro we'd have seen it already.

Originally posted by YouSuck225

Legit question don't you feel it weird that an entire class (assassin) is barely played or even though about in proplay ?

Like for a solid 2 years (maybe three but im not sure) the only assassin that has ever been took sometimes was leblanc. And she wasn't even assassinating people she would just dominate lane too hard with aery or poke people repeateadly with QR.

Kassadin had a 3 week or so meta at start of the year.

But i can't remember the last time in draft phase any team would fear X player assassin pool. How come that even assassin like fizz, that technically have the possibility to full by pass stuff like lulu polymorph, can't even be played in pro cause they will not kill an adc

Originally posted by papu16

Wanted to ask - your thoughts about nerfing exhaust/ghost on ranged champs? Feels like that in mid/high elo every marksman just runs one of that summs and just becomes unkillable.

Originally posted by DARIF

If the defensive team comp is defending then you need to attack somewhere else. The ADC has to show up on waves. You accomplish stuff where they aren't.

Very good Phreak, what do I do when the game revolves around dragons and baron?

Originally posted by Masalar

So, the way I've felt that adcs warp the meta is things like: How tanky tanks are is based on how well they survive adc damage, how effective assassins are is how reliably they kill adcs, how effective supports are is how well they peel/engage on adcs, how abusable econ strats are is how much adcs can abuse them...

It's not that other champs/roles can't have value, but that the value is almost always measured around adcs.