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I'm aware that Eternals are controversial in general -- some players like the idea, some hate it, some like it but feel they should be free, and so on. While these are valid opinions, this post is aiming to address another issue.


If I get an Eternal, it's because I want to see my success. The current design does NOT suffice for that.

This is due to one major factor:

  1. After completing your final Milestone, future updates are for your personal best.

This sounds great, but it means that seeing an Eternal becomes a rare sight, and heavily skewed towards long games. A Nasus player who had one 50 minute game is unlikely to ever see that Eternal pop up a "Nice Job!" ever again.


Players who purchase Eternals are those who are interested in the in-game feedback and the stat-tracking, and want to see the Eternal tracking good play.

As such, the in-game Eternal system should probably be adjusted in one of two ways (or both):

  1. Display your personal best at various breakpoints. Instead of just "best of all time," include breakpoints like "best before 10 minutes" or "best by level 16". This will help players see displays more.
  2. Display flair at specific breakpoints in-game, using some combination of player-selected, built-in, time-based, or based-on-player-average analytics. As a Nasus player, it would be cool to see a pop-up if I break 500 bonus Q damage by 20 minutes, or an MF pop-up if I get enough Double-Up procs in a given game.

In short, Riot is asking players to pay for stat-tracking and in-game recognition of their success. If Riot wants players to do this, they should make that in-game recognition remain constant, not vanish once the player has achieved enough milestones. Without this, the design of Eternals fails to retain value for the precise demographic that it is designed to target.

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almost 5 years ago - /u/Ken_Adams_NSA - Direct link

Really like your ideas about slicing Personal Best. We have been talking about seasonal best as well.

Also just to be clear, the milestones never stop happening. After hitting Milestone 5, you will still hit milestones at a regular cadence.

almost 5 years ago - /u/Ken_Adams_NSA - Direct link

Originally posted by Djinn_in_Tonic

Good to hear about milestones continuing -- that felt unclear in the presentations I'd seen so far, and makes me feel slightly better. Seasonal Best would also be a cool thing to track.

And I'm glad it strikes a chord! If you end up implementing something like this, I might recommend a callout for top 5-10% of personal performance at any given breakpoint, with an extra fancy one for a personal best (at least for those with enough variance to make that difference meaningful). That would increase the frequency of seeing the Eternal give feedback (without making it absurdly high in frequency), and let players have feedback of a really good game even if it's not quite their best.

Of course, that does come with a processing increase and data storage increase for more in-depth tracking, so simply slicing personal best might be the more cost effective option. I just worry that still reaches some situations where a great performance just locks it out forever, and you never see it again even with breakpoints.

Totally agree this is a thing that could (probably will) happen. Love the feedback!

almost 5 years ago - /u/Ken_Adams_NSA - Direct link

Originally posted by BlackTecno

If you dont mind me asking (because I cant find this anywhere), will series or sets (like series 1, series 2) ever be purchasable for BE??

Primarily asking because on the Season Start (for skins, eternals, maybe voicepacks hinted), there was a shot of Series 2 being able to be purchased for 25000BE for the whole set.

But I cant find ANY information on this, and since it is Series 2, either it was switched to Series 1 (and S1 to Starter) or it's the next set. Either way, I was under the impression that we could purchase the Series Sets for BE as well, not just the starter set.

I just really want some clarity here, I've looked through forms, posts, even support and I cant find any information on this. Will it go on sale eventually? During Essense Emporium? Will it be this Emporium or next? Just really want some answers.

The only Eternals series available for BE is the Starter Series. You will be able to earn Series 1 Eternals via Eternal Capsules later this year from Ranked Splits.