Originally posted by Samurai079

4 less ad at 18, it's so over for jinx /s

Originally posted by Astral_Diarrhea

I know that reddit knows balance is a meme for a reason, yet I can't help but think this is just Riot and you counting on the placebo effect and nothing else. There's been cases in the past where changes get put in the patch notes yet accidentally don't make it live but you still see a 1% increase or decrease in win rate.

-4 AD at lvl 18? Realistically how does this reduce a champion's win rate by 0.7% other than it being a placebo nerf?

Originally posted by Elrann

10% slow on W is eating away whole tier of boots. Even at lowest MS it's minus 33 units moved each second, and her W lasts 2 seconds. 10 mana off means like 2 more rockets or 1 more cast of W during the laning phase which translates into like 100 more damage (post-mitigation).

AS is also more important stat for ADCs, cos it translates into mobility (you stand still for less performing an AA).

And that's not mentioning Jinx being able to outsmite junglers again (when the reason to up t3 Smite to 1200 was exactly that: it was too easy to outsmite junglers and you wanted to make junglers more important when fighting for objectives, that was one of the goals of jungle changes this preseason). Also old cap was 800, so still less than Smite, now it's 1200, just as strong as Smite, so relatively it's stronger.

Also-also: 13.7 Kalista vs 13.8 Kalista (buffed by +0.25 AD/lvl):
https://lolalytics.com/lol/kalista/build/?patch=13.7
https://lolalytics.com/lol/kalista/build/

Lost 0.8 wr and has 13% less pickrate (1.64 => 1.45), so you can't even say that more people picked her up cos of buffs and dragged her winrate down.

0.25 AD/level is the DEFINITION of placebo.