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[2023] Abandoning the Lolesports.com website is still one of the most egregious things the LCS committee has done.


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Reposting after a month or so, which is why the dates all say March 9.

Everything is so split up it's crazy. Before, it was just go to lolesports.com for everything. Articles, VODs, livestreams, you know.

Then they abandoned it to attach all the articles to the Nexus subdomain of leagueoflegends.com. It feels out of the ordinary. Like Riot was limited by how Nexus is supposed to look. Lolesports' visual style just does not fit the style of Nexus.

And for teams, it gets even worse.

Before, on pre-2019 Lolesports, you could click on a team to see everything about them and their players. Now, in 2019 Lolesports/Nexus, I can't click on them in Lolesports anymore. I have to go over to Nexus in order to look at that kind of stuff. And adding to that, it is terribly obvious that the team info pages

are made of a news article CSS. Take example this part of the article.
 It's structured like this.

  • Article category ("LCS Teams")

  • Article title ("100 Thieves")

  • Blurb ("Official LCS team page for 100 Thieves")

  • Author[s] ("By Lolesports Staff")

  • Time of publication ("2 months ago")

Basically the same thing with this Ask Riot article, except stylized slightly differently.

Some other things that should be noted, but I don't think it deserves more than a mention.

  • Going to lolesports.com will redirect you to Nexus.leagueoflegends.

  • You cannot return to Leagueoflegends.com from clicking on the LoL insignia on Watch.Lolesports. You need to go to Nexus.Leagueoflegends and then go there. Not saying that the root webpage is worth anything because of how outdated it is, but it should still be accessible.

  • You cannot access Nexus.leagueoflegends while watching the embedded livestream on Watch.lolesports. The news button is nonexistent on that webpage.

  • The livestream webpage has a different website icon from the rest of Watch.lolesports.

    The third tab's website icon is Leagueoflegends.com. Not sure why it's still the old insignia.

TL;DR: Splitting up Lolesports.com like a post-Roosevelt monopoly really didn't do us any favors.

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over 5 years ago - /u/slazareth - Direct link

Originally posted by ProphetofChud

I would also like to mention that the new "Schedule" tab is f**king awful. Before you could just select which week you would like to look at, now you have to scroll and scroll to look for certain matches and sometimes it just bugs out and resets your scroll. It's so bad.

Hey, sorry to hear you're having issues with it resetting your scroll position. That should not be happening. If you're able to find a way to consistently reproduce it, please let me know so our team can look to fix it. I'll go ahead and mention it to the team so they're aware of it.

As for the changes we've made to the schedule layout, we looked at a lot of the feedback we've received over the years. Two versions ago, we had a global schedule on lolesports.com and we got a lot of feedback that it was hard to find matches for just a single league.

So when we redesigned that to make it easier to find schedule information for a single league, we ended up splitting the entire site into content by league. So you select a league then go to their schedule or their standings. This made it easier for you if you were only interested in a single league, but created a new pain point for trying to follow multiple leagues. To find out information about Europe and Korea leagues (for instance), you had to click multiple times back and forth. Additionally, if you visited the schedule in the middle of the day you were immediately spoiled with the results of the matches from earlier in the day. Lastly, jumping between days/weeks required a lot of clicks/taps which seem to have lower engagement than just scrolling.

So in the latest design update on watch.lolesports.com we wanted to simplify everything and make a schedule, standings, VODs, etc that was easy to use if you were only interested in one league and also not too many clicks to follow multiple leagues. We understand this system is not perfect, but we do think it is the best solution to cater towards both preferences (single league and multi league). Unfortunately though, this means we had to get rid of Week X grouping of matches. Since the new schedule allows you to view multiple leagues at the same time and each league has a different start/stop week, Week 5 in one league might be Week 4 in another league.

I know this doesn't bring back the schedule you preferred but I hope it sheds a little light on the design process that lead us to the new schedule design.

over 5 years ago - /u/slazareth - Direct link

Originally posted by Blood_X

Wait.. I've been avoiding it ever since they changed the format of the site because I absolutely can't stand it. But how do I even look at who is on the teams???

We kinda soft launched this feature because there isn't a ton of information on the pages atm (just rosters), but we do have new Team pages on watch.lolesports.com. You can access them from the standings page of any league just by clicking on the team.

https://watch.na.lolesports.com/standings/lcs/lcs_2019_spring/regular_season

over 5 years ago - /u/slazareth - Direct link

Originally posted by theelementalflow

They also only have LCS Teams instead of LPL, LCK or EU teams and what if I wanna look at other regions' rosters and subs?

Check out watch.lolesports.com and you should be able to access all of those things for the leagues you're interested in.

over 5 years ago - /u/slazareth - Direct link

Originally posted by vAltyR47

If you'll forgive me a minor drunken rant about things that are in no way your fault, the fact that a web designer can somehow screw up scrolling is insane to me.

I'll take this moment to say I'm not criticizing y'all as bad designers, but criticizing HTML, CSS, and Javascript for making that possible in the first place.

Sidenote: I'm one of probably a single-digits-number of people who use a mouse without a scroll wheel (random HP 3-button mouse I bought off eBay) and while I love it for gaming, dear god, does everybody and their mother just assume you have a scroll wheel these days. Using middle click to bring up the little scroll thing works in most things, but then some programs (like WINDOWS EXPLORER FOR SOME GODDAMN REASON) just don't support it, so I have to click on the scroll bar/arrow keys (BTW your website supports this, but only if you're not mousing over a match. Amusingly, it works on the filters on the side, but not on the main body itself).

But damn, it's nice having that extra button for games. At least, the games that let me bind it to something useful (looking at you, Guild Wars 2, that won't let me rebind left and right click).

Ok, rant over. You guys are great, keep doing what you're doing, sorry you have to deal with such shitty tools to make amazing content.

Haha, drunken rant accepted. Going to be real with you here. I've been designing for lolesports.com for 4 years now and I don't think not having a mouse wheel has ever been brought up or even considered. Unfortunately I don't know how or why things aren't working as expected with your wheel-less mouse but if you do and have some info for me I'd be happy to pass it along to our engineering team. I can assure you we've got some top notch talent working on the engineering side of lolesports.com, but I'll give you that no one has tested anything using a mouse with no scroll wheel. :(

over 5 years ago - /u/slazareth - Direct link

Originally posted by niler1994

I line that one honestly.

Ne having to use third party websites to know when MSI starts is stupid af tho, why isn't this just in the schedule by default? Like lec summer split start, worlds 2019 start etc. Now way they don't know that yet

Hey, I agree this can be a little frustrating. We're currently waiting for the group draw show to happen. Once that happens all of the schedule data will be in the system and we can display it on the schedule on the site. This means MSI should be on the schedule no earlier than the 23rd or 24th. I'll talk with the team about better ways to message this in the future.

More info on the Draw Shaw here: https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/04/msi-2019-play-in-draw-show-guide/

over 5 years ago - /u/slazareth - Direct link

Originally posted by FLABREZU

Is there any way to see match statistics for LCS games anymore? The only way I can find to see stuff like damage percentage is to look at the stats during the game, but it seems to be impossible to look at this stuff after the game is over.

Unfortunately there is not a way to view this information right now.

over 5 years ago - /u/slazareth - Direct link

Originally posted by Blood_X

Ohh ok. Thank you.

Are there plans to make "Teams" it's own dedicated page like it was in the past, where you can just click at the top? Having to go to standings seems like extra clicks and unintuitive :o I kept trying to wade through the information in the Nexus site for teams thinking I'd be able to find the classic "Teams" info like rosters but it was just news. Looks like the LEC is missing this button too, though the team pages are a bit more fleshed out.

I believe the Standings tab on the old site was called "Teams & Standings" which is definitely clearer but also a little long so we shortened it. Thanks for letting us know that this wasn't as intuitive for you. We'll keep an eye on this one and possibly look to change the name of the nav item in the future.

over 5 years ago - /u/slazareth - Direct link

Originally posted by niler1994

Even scheduling TBA vs TBA or MSI opening game is more than enough honestly. Appreciating that you're hanging out here hearing the complaints, but I'm honestly kinda baffled that there just ist a major schedule with the gross outlines. I should be able to tell you when the summer final is, you guys know it too, same for worlds.

People see the regional final, or the start of the playoffs, and want to know when the winner is gonna clash the rest of the globe. I should be able to scroll down on the schedule and see this

While we're not always responding to everything, a lot of the team is here reading the feedback and we do discuss it. That doesn't always mean we're able to act on it immediately but know that we appreciate the feedback here.

over 5 years ago - /u/slazareth - Direct link

Originally posted by Blood_X

Oh snap, you right. I had forgotten about that. I just remembered it was easier to point out from the main page.

Do you all coordinate with the nexus page people? I think it would be nice if the nexus "Teams" page had some sort of navigation to the watch.lolesports teams page since the nexus page is what you first see when going to lolesports

I haven't done any work on nexus but we do talk with the team that's working on that end of things. It seems all sides are aware that the current experience can be frustrating and we all want to make it better. I don't have any concrete timelines for you on this but know that we agree with you and we are excited about improving things.

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