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21 days ago - /u/Cashmiir - Direct link

Originally posted by Mostdakka

I'm very excited cause she looks fun to play and looks good but i'm a bit concerned about her beign designed for toplane. Mostly because toplane is not a very popular role so i have hard time seeing current version of Rito designing her to be inherently less popular becuase of her role.

Think of her as the ultimate "f*ck you" to Vayne top.

21 days ago - /u/Cashmiir - Direct link

Originally posted by homer12346

And that’s when the team realized that they needed to give Gwen the tools toactually force enemies to play her game.

aaaaaaaaaa typos buggs me so much


nice read as always, always fun to see insights on character development

Oof I missed this when I checked the staging.

21 days ago - /u/Cashmiir - Direct link

Originally posted by SkeletonJakk

“So we needed to make sure we found a new approach. One of the perspectives we haven’t explored is someone who’s amazed by everything—even the little things like the feeling of grass or the smell of the ocean. Things we normally ignore because, to us, they’re so mundane.”

Errr...

neeko?

We discussed this in the meeting for the article. Neeko is amazed by life. People, mainly. She's curious about them and who they are. But not about things like the smell of dirt or the warmth of the sun. That's what the team wanted to explore.

Sorry if I didn't make that clearer!

21 days ago - /u/endstep - Direct link

Originally posted by F0RGERY

Yeah, getting rid of the weave spell is kinda disappointing.

I understand that Riot left out cc on purpose, and their justification makes sense, I just wish that the seamstress felt more... seamstress-y, rather than a kid running around with scissors.

It's true that part of why we didn't go forward with one of the various "thread-attachment" ults (even though they were very cool and a slam dunk on the thematic) is because they were very heavy on cc and pushed Gwen away from the skirmisher space, but there were also other reasons.

The coolest version in my opinion, which is the one shown in the gif in this article, also had an issue where it needed Gwen to input multiple different directional commands back-to-back which didn't fit well with the base kit which already asks you to do that (both Q and E are high-frequency directional casts that are often cast on different vectors). So while it was super fun to use in isolation, it was very demanding of the player to manage casting Q + E + R1 + R2 all in a short timeframe given they were typically all in different directions and some required high precision (mostly the R casts). One of the big advantages of the final ultimate, even though it has three casts instead of two, is that it (generally) shares a cast vector with Q which requires less cursor repositioning.

This isn't to say we didn't want to make Gwen mechanically complex, but the experience actually playing with the needle-attachment R was poor for most players when optimized, even those used to playing other mechanically intense champions.

I do think this "bind-together" R spell is really cool in isolation and could work on some kits (personally I absolutely loved casting this R), but probably shouldn't be combined with a high-frequency base kit with a lot of other directional inputs.

21 days ago - /u/Cashmiir - Direct link

Originally posted by SlappableFries

Finally, someone at Riot understands what we want. A “f**k you” to Vayne top, it’s perfect.

Riot Maxw3ll and Stashu know what players want.

21 days ago - /u/Cashmiir - Direct link

Originally posted by TwoSidesBaked

what about lilia ?! I mean she feels like shes in the clouds all the time

Lillia is a sweet bb angel and I would die for her (as an aside, /u/riotmaxw3ll also worked on her).

But similar to Neeko, her amazement is less new-to-life and more blooming confidence.

I don't want to speak on behalf of that team, so I can't really say more with confidence.

21 days ago - /u/Cashmiir - Direct link

Originally posted by SpitefulShrimp

That whole section of the article gave deja vu to Lilia's article.

Almost like I wrote it... :thinking:

21 days ago - /u/RiotMaxw3ll - Direct link

Originally posted by Cashmiir

Lillia is a sweet bb angel and I would die for her (as an aside, /u/riotmaxw3ll also worked on her).

But similar to Neeko, her amazement is less new-to-life and more blooming confidence.

I don't want to speak on behalf of that team, so I can't really say more with confidence.

Luo would have a better answer, but my read on the differences are that Gwen is amazed at everything because it's new to her. Neeko has a curiosity because she has an ethos that already exists (the connections between people and their shoma) and is reconciling that with our world view. Lillia is a much more withdrawn character who, as she blooms, becomes excited specifically about the human dreams and what they mean for their dreamers and her.

21 days ago - /u/Cashmiir - Direct link

Originally posted by Petricorde1

Sorry, I like the article but I really don't get this response. I think he's saying the concept of "fascinated by everything" gives deja vu to what was described in Lilia's article, not that the style of writing felt similar.

Mmm that was my bad for misunderstanding!

I think Lillia's fascination is less "wow these things are new and exciting to me!" and more internal growth and finding her own confidence. Riot Maxw3ll commented on it elsewhere in this thread, and he worked on both champs, so he's much more knowledgeable about it than I am.






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