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I posed this question to r/junglemains yesterday and someone suggested I post to the main subreddit too.

When 4 of the 6 highest winrate champions (Udyr, Skarner, Rammus, Mundo) are all building the same item, isn’t it obvious the issue isn’t the champions, but the item? I feel like these champs are going to keep being nerfed to a point where chemtank is the only buildable option since their power has to be balanced with this item in mind and every other mythic is going to feel terrible just to make chemtank feel balanced on them.

I do believe that some of these champs (mainly Udyr) should receive a nerf along with chemtank, but if Riot’s goal is to promote item diversity, then why are they nerfing all of these champions around chemtank instead of chemtank around the champions?

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about 3 years ago - /u/RiotJag - Direct link

We examined item data before deciding to nerf these guys, since our team also put forth a similar hypothesis (that Chemtank was the problem). After a closer look, we concluded Chemtank was balanced for the rest of the roster, and these junglers were actually major outliers in terms of power level.

about 3 years ago - /u/RiotJag - Direct link

Originally posted by mattybobs

What I’m concerned with is that these champs are being tuned to be balanced to where chemtank is necessary for them to function and building any other item is putting them at a severe disadvantage. Granted I have no idea what the stats for these champs look like when they build other mythics so I might be completely off the mark.

Udyr's win rate with various Mythics:

Turbo Chemtank 55.4%
Stridebreaker 54.5%
Trinity Force 54%
Sunfire Aegis 51.1%
Frostfire Gauntlet 55.5%
Divine Sunderer 55.6%

Sample size isn't consistent for each option though - the last two in particular are purchased much less frequently.

Rammus's other options are comparable to Chemtank (but it is the best option by general win rate).

Skarner's best option is Chemtank by far.

Not everything interacts with the system in the same way.

about 3 years ago - /u/RiotJag - Direct link

Originally posted by mattybobs

Thanks for these stats and your responses in general. I really appreciate the stats and your comments are helping me understand where you’re coming from with the balance decisions.

Now if you could just get me in touch with someone to pitch my Babe Ruth Bard skin “The Great Bardino”, then I’d happily retract all complaints I have with Riot Games

As a Yankees fan I support this.