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over 5 years ago - /u/Blaustoise - Direct link

Originally posted by mychatexperience

Hearing more from Blaustoise is actually so good for the community. I feel like he's one of the most active rioters in reaching out to the reddit-twitch playerbase it's cool thanks. Thorn and Loco a great duo as always.

hey thanks bud, I'll keep I get fired or demote out of plat <3

over 5 years ago - /u/Blaustoise - Direct link

Originally posted by NotLikeThisManNo

Wow Blastoise got f**king destroyed by Thorin @ 0:38 min mark. Holy shit. But Thorin is right if you view LOL as an sport it makes you wonder why it's banning system is so f**king terrible. Why can someone go unbanned for 30 games where they are 0: 11 or some shit? Ruining the game for everyone involved. As well as pro players getting banned for saying a bad word.

but did he destroy me with FACTS and LOGIC?

Also what's interesting about that is that he didn't actually destroy my argument. My argument was "you can't just say it's only a game" regarding how people feel about the League. I argued that it's closer to a sport (Hockey, Football), than a traditional game like Mass Effect or Zelda (which would be closer to a show or book).


Thorin didn't destroy that argument. In fact I'm pretty sure he committed some sort of fallacy there because instead of addressing the substance my argument (that people are invested in it as a sport), he attacked a specific aspect of Riot's player behavior being that if it was a sport we would treat professional players differently in solo queue. He says my argument is great without that context, but it's invalid in that context.


(1) My argument can still be valid (again he never argued against the crux of my argument which is that the motivations for these games from players is that of a sport) while Riot can not be designing systems to satisfy that motivation. And (2) he might not even be right in his counterargument! We never even got to that part which is once we agree that the game is a sport, what standards do we hold pro players to in solo queue and other practice environments (stricter standards, same standards, more relaxed standards, etc.). I think you could actually make good arguments for all 3 of those, but that was never the point of what I even said.


If anything you got distracted by him twisting the argument into something else (Riot's behavior that, from Thorin's perspective, doesn't suggest they think of League as a sport), versus my initial argument (that player motivations engaging in games like LoL, OW, CSGO often transcend being "just a game" and turn into a full sport or hobby).