Somehow, someway, Riot found a way to make an item with attack, attack speed and crit, be a good option for ap champions and much more viable than lich bane.
Statikks effect is so much better than lich bane in every single way, that people would rather pay for an item with much less synergestic stats than an actual ap item.
External link →It's only better than Lich Bane on champions who can shortcut the charge rate. It provides significant wave clear to mages at the cost of about 3000 gold worth of stats. That's only ever worth it if you get that entire value out of the passive. That pretty much only happens if you can charge it obscenely fast. It's not better than Lich Bane in every single way. Its cooldown is functionally 6x as long for most users and comes paired with an item that gives no stats on most champions.
The item's best (mage) users are pretty much only LeBlanc and Zoe. That said, it's clearly BiS on them. For champions like Kai'Sa it's clearly an intended option and just a strong item overall.
Yes, the item has an AP ratio. Yes, players are meant to figure stuff out and find interesting interactions. With Shiv you're paying for wave clear. That's pretty explicit here. The fact that it's taken over a month to show up (in solo queue; it was disabled in pro for 13.10) means the "if you just gave it two seconds of thought..." refrain isn't the zinger you think it is since apparently none of y'all figured it out for a while.
So yeah, the item has some champions who can really abuse it. That list is about two champions long to my current knowledge. And that should be fixed of course.
There we go again
you are only looking at the 1v1 numbers and absolutely nothing else, you do this every single time. "This item does more damage with YXZ burst so its not good"
You are completely ignoring the fact that with shiv LB becomes a splitpushing beast, she can literally just run at wave do 1 AA and the entire wave is gone. She was already someone who is incredibly difficult to catch but always needed to W WR to clear it, now she can just walk up AA 2-3 times and the wave is gone letting her have her W up permanently
You realize “better in every way” simply asks you to provide one counter-example to disprove the statement, yeah? That’s how langauge works.
I didn’t say the item is not good. Why are you lying to make a point?
People figured that out immediately. It was all over the subreddit for the first week.
It just took them a month to popularize the optimal users, where the use-case is actually worth enough to be legitimately problematic.
There's a substantial difference between "Did you you know it's possible to buy Statikk Shiv on Veigar?" and "Statikk Shiv is the optimal first item on these three champions."
The latter is what took a month.
The fact that it's taken over a month to show up (in solo queue; it was disabled in pro for 13.10) means the "if you just gave it two seconds of thought..." refrain isn't the zinger you think it is since apparently none of y'all figured it out for a while.
So what, you knew it was op and did it anyway so you could see how long it'd take the dumb dumbs to figure it out so you can be smug about it and then grace us all with a fix by nerfing it?
No, we didn't know it was OP. We wouldn't ship anything in a balance state that we expect to be bad. We playtested a few mages, like Veigar, and it seemed completely within reason. It is. Shiv is not an optimal Veigar item.
But we didn't check every single possibility. Seemingly neither did players on PBE and neither did players on Live for the first month. Over 90% of Statikk Shiv LeBlanc buys have been in the last five days despite having the same bounce range, target count, and AP ratios since launch. And of those early adopter Shiv players, the majority were doing AD LeBlanc. I went and checked and even the Shiv-Luden's plays from 13.10-13.111 are so few, any balance read is statistically insignificant.
So yeah we didn't catch something that nearly 1 million LeBlanc players didn't catch either. But we didn't catch it and now we're aware. It's OP and should be nerfed.
It's cooldown is functionally the same. No mage champ will be able to proc LB twice in the rotation, it's not how mage' trade patterns work, they're not ADCs or bruisers. And by the time your abilities come back up from CD you have Shiv again. That's the whole reason why Ekko is better with Nashor than with Lich Bane even if he's an assassin.
Ekko players currently build Lich Bane about 60% more often than they build Nashor's Tooth and they're roughly as performant as one another.
The entire premise of "but my combat pattern is short" is an argument against Nashor's Tooth.
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