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Source: https://lolalytics.com/lol/tierlist/?lane=bottom

Why does nobody talks about this? An entire lane is being dominated by one single playstyle:

Dealing consistent damage with auto attacks

There are no popular mages, enchanters, assassins or different picks.

Bot lane has lost its playstyle diversity and now all of the meta picks behave the same in team fights.

Why is this not seen by Riot as an issue?

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over 3 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by Alex443399

Also YES THATS POTENTISLLY STH RIOT WANT TO CHANGE. Back in the day recalling (backing) was a spell and everyone took it, so they made it its own thing. They couñd do the same with flash (though it may break some champs like shakko and singed to have always flash).

You say "back in the day" like that wasn't pre-closed beta. That's not really a fair argument to be like, "They were still discovering which game mechanics worked, so maybe they'll go back in time to before they knew what would make League good."

over 3 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by Kyrond

Riot tried to make other picks in bot lane strong.

Bot players had an aneurysm because sometimes they saw something else than ADC and complained so much that Riot reverted the changes.

Even then mages bot are strong. But people dont want them. Botlaners like ADCs, mage players want mid.

Riot didn't revert the all changes, though.

Marksmen still have very low HP regen because that's what internal playtests identified as the major problem for mages: That they couldn't sustain as well and thus got pushed out of lane (I'm sure Doran's Blade is a big part of this).

Let's be clear: Mages are totally viable in bottom lane. Swain was my 1st or 2nd most played on my road to Diamond last season but there are others who are strong as well.

As always, popularity does not necessarily imply strength. Bot laners are used to playing marksmen, so that's what they play. Thankfully, I'm not a typical ADC fan, I'm a bot lane enjoyer and that means I'll feed on Yasuo in three different lanes.

over 3 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by Alex443399

Yeah, my bad, I heard it from a video a long time ago and paraphrased. For all I know it could be something someone in a video made up, I should have checked more for info.

You're not technically wrong. Just worth clearing up for the majority of players reading this who didn't play League in 2009 or earlier.

over 3 years ago - /u/PhreakRiot - Direct link

Originally posted by FruitfulRogue

"Mages are totally viable" no they're not.

Cassio, Swain and Ziggs are viable bot. Most other options were nerfed out (Syndra, Seraphine) or just are not viable in Duo exp lanes.

That's like saying ADC are viable top and mid because Vayne and Lucian see play in there and Kalista had a momentary stint top.

Syndra was never actually "strong" if you measured solo queue win rates. Syndra herself didn't even have bot lane focused changes. Seraphine is plenty viable. Over the last 30 days her bot lane win rate is substantially higher than mid/support. Ziggs is also higher in bot than mid, though the sample isn't that high (14k games bot), which means the bottom end of the variance is "just as good."

This might sound like flame but it's not: How do you actually determine that a champion is bad / non viable? Do you just play one game and lose and say, "Yep, Seraphine is trash" or do you do anything objective at all?