Originally posted by reddit0r5

yeah, if you got into programming via an unusual way, it can happen that you do not have a github account, stackoverflow etc

Many programmers and software developers etc do not even know how wrong and how far away from their meant use some programming languages are being utilized.

while i was studying for my scientific degree I first got in contact with c++ and python in my bachelor's and master's thesis, and boy you do not want to see the code of some doctorates there. im talking about many 1000 lines of code, not one single class which could have been useful, sometimes not even a single function declared. everything hardcoded, mostly uncommented, and sadly, many many severe mistakes, that caused many problems for my thesis, but not for the doctors thesis, cause it was already done and he got is summa cum laude.

Very frustrating and shocking experience for me, completely knocked me away from university and becoming a doctorate.

Originally posted by AWildIndependent

For what it's worth, I agree with everything said here.

Just want to throw it out there that a lot of companies refuse to rewrite old code even though the cost of rewriting the code is far less than the cost of the technical debt it creates over several years.

This is just another example of companies only being able to think in quarters, to their own detriment. To be quite honest, there is never a really good reason to leave shitty code shitty.

The biggest argument is time, but again every single new developer that works on that code base will end up spending more time than necessary trying to even become acclimated into the code base if it is bad enough. Let alone modifying it.

IDK. This is a big pet peeve to me. The entire mindset regarding legacy systems is understandable, but at the same time while being understandable I also think the current approach of most companies is incorrect.

Originally posted by AWildIndependent

Wouldn't this mean a rewrite would only occur when the fundamental requirements have changed or a security flaw was found?

I think that's somewhat impractical, but I guess the burden is in the fact that you cannot prove a rewrite would be better until it's already done- which was your point, or at least some of it, I believe.

I think I'm just irritated because I am currently working on a web site (one of many at my company, we bounce around projects) that was done very, very poorly (sizable code base) and makes doing even some of the easiest tasks very difficult and usually quadruples the time it would normally take. This kind of technical debt is where I feel a rewrite is almost mandatory.

Originally posted by AWildIndependent

Security flaws rarely require foundational changes :)

You haven't worked on enough shitty web stacks where people abuse global variables and local storage, I take it?

I'm talking security through obscurity. IDK MAN. I think we have just had vastly different experiences.

Originally posted by AWildIndependent

Wouldn't a gradual re-factorization of most of the codebase be effectively the same as a rewrite?

Maybe we have different definitions of what a rewrite is. To me, a rewrite can be in the exact same stack. It seems like, from your responses, that you are taking rewrite to be a fundamental change of how the code works (aka using a different web stack). That's probably the correct definition anyways.

Gradual re-factorization in the same web stack doesn't seem fundamentally different than a rewrite in the same web stack.

Originally posted by CertainTopic3

So that's why new League website is still bad designed from backend site. Why new articles are visible for public 5 minutes after publication? On your other pages (garena) news appear earlier than on the real page, because they are using real API. I don't understand who came up with the idea of using cron to create static files instead of updating it at the time of publication. I hope someone fix it.

Originally posted by CertainTopic3

Unfortunately, this chaos in communication between teams is visible from the outside. Many things are published and left because they work but not necessarily correctly.Things like this with the League website can be reported somewhere or as a normal player, not have a lot of influence to fix it?
I would like something to be done about it, because probably nobody will fix it for the next 10 years.