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I recently started playing Taliyah and checking the stats I saw she had a 6-7% pick rate mid some seasons ago, which is a fairly good amount of popularity for a champion.

Then she got reworked to force her in the jungle and, well, her pick rate lingers around 1%, how can it be considered a success?

I mean balancing is not only about win rate, Taliyah can be balanced now but if no one wants to play her like this she still needs work done, and buffing her jungle is still not it

The game is complicated and unpredictable, but I don't see why a jungler can't become a mid laner and be balanced around their most popular role. If the problem is the ultimate nerf it or rework it completely, but a revert of her Q especially would make her much more fun to play than what she is now, the numbers say it clearly

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about 3 years ago - /u/RiotAugust - Direct link

Important: Taliyah mid isn't balanced around jungle, it's balanced around Taliyah mid (her winrate there is incredibly high and has been for years).

about 3 years ago - /u/GalaxySmash - Direct link

Ill say this first since it always comes up but- its clear winrate is not the only important stat when evaluating a champion. With that being said it is a huge limiting factor in what we can do. Taliyah's winrate is already in a spot where there is not a lot we can do with her to give her satisfaction without giving her power. We did the closest we could in opening her back up to being a jungler earlier this year, where as before she was only a mid laner and even more unpopular than she is now. Opening her up to jungler gave her a boost in playrate and it seems Taliyah players overall enjoy her more in the jungle for a variety of reasons. Beyond, the champion is unfortunately just genuinely unpopular. This could be for a variety of reasons, but the fact remains true. We have tried small changes to solve it but couldn't get anything to stick. I think at this point its clear to get a big increase in pick rate she would require some large-scale work which is difficult to find time for, but not out of the question.

about 3 years ago - /u/GalaxySmash - Direct link

Originally posted by Hector_01

Then we have Swain with .4% pickrate Midlane. You know the 'midlaner' that's been mini reworked twice to get him back there and into higher elos, but ended being a crappy cheese support in very low elo and a kinda pretty successful APC (only with certain supports) but a very low pickrate.

Swain is in a pretty similar spot as Taliyah. Very unpopular but one of the highest winrates in the game so that limits us on what we can do. Likely would also need larger-scope work to have a chance at making significant pickrate and satisfaction gains.

about 3 years ago - /u/GalaxySmash - Direct link

Originally posted by Ozaiko

Can't you just make a mini-rework like Irelia one ? Adjusting a lot of numbers to shift the power of her kit. Aurelion and Taliyah really need something... They have been in a weird spot forever...

We have tried Irelia and Xin-Zhao esque reworks to her in the part but they haven't found as much success unfortunately. I agree they do need something its just a matter of finding the time and resources.