15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Hello everyone!

Similar to the previous VFX updates we’ve made in the past (Ziggs, Zilean, Malzahar, etc), we're working on updates to the Visual Effects (VFX) of champions whose spell effects are in need of some love. Our aim is to get their VFXs to current League standards and improve gameplay clarity. This time, it's Syndra's turn, for 11.21's PBE Patch! I worked on this particular VFX Update with the great Riot Temcampy!

Just like all the previous ones, and since these are smaller updates geared toward sprucing up some of the oldest members of the roster, they aren't in the same prioritization conversation as to how we decide who gets a VGU (where we take model, gameplay, and thematic into account too!): they do not affect any other timeline, and are simply dev passion projects.

Here's a video preview of the changes. As usual, the more recent the skins are, the less changes they are getting. Her most recent skins only received very minimal tweaks (or not at all) and are not included in the video.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoyF5eaQ_2w

Thumbnail for those interested: https://imgur.com/a/OaHMqeb

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Per-skin details:

- Base: Complete overhaul- Justicar: Complete overhaul, should finally be readable- Atlantean: Minimal changes, it was already pretty good gameplay and art-wise- Queen of Diamonds: Uses base changes- Snow Day: Pretty big changes, mainly aimed at mirroring base's and cleaning up the noise- SKT T1: Mirroring base changes and added subtle SKT T1 logo in lvl 5 E cone- Star Guardian: Minimal changes- Pool Party: Minimal tweaks- Withered Rose: No changes- Bewitching: No changes

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We're looking for feedback on her changes, which should be up on the PBE soon. Please try her out there —especially if you're a main— and leave us your feedback once the changes are up!

EDIT 1: Main feedback I'm seeing is bringing back some of the darkness in her base. I'll be working on that and will keep y'all posted!

EDIT 2: Here's a small update based on your early feedback, mainly to try and add some darkness back into her lvl 5 kit. Also toned down the R impact on Snow Day Syndra, as it was way too bright (not shown in this video). Let us know if you have more feedback!

Video (Tweaks 1): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra__0PIxqqw

External link →
15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Hello everyone!

Similar to the previous VFX updates we’ve made in the past (Ziggs, Zilean, Malzahar, etc), we're working on updates to the Visual Effects (VFX) of champions whose spell effects are in need of some love. Our aim is to get their VFXs to current League standards and improve gameplay clarity. This time, it's Syndra's turn, for 11.21's PBE Patch! I worked on this particular VFX Update with the great Riot Temcampy!

Just like all the previous ones, and since these are smaller updates geared toward sprucing up some of the oldest members of the roster, they aren't in the same prioritization conversation as to how we decide who gets a VGU (where we take model, gameplay, and thematic into account too!): they do not affect any other timeline, and are simply dev passion projects.

Here's a video preview of the changes. As usual, the more recent the skins are, the less changes they are getting. Her most recent skins only received very minimal tweaks (or not at all) and are not included in the video.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoyF5eaQ_2w

Thumbnail for those interested: https://imgur.com/a/OaHMqeb

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Per-skin details:

- Base: Complete overhaul- Justicar: Complete overhaul, should finally be readable- Atlantean: Minimal changes, it was already pretty good gameplay and art-wise- Queen of Diamonds: Uses base changes- Snow Day: Pretty big changes, mainly aimed at mirroring base's and cleaning up the noise- SKT T1: Mirroring base changes and added subtle SKT T1 logo in lvl 5 E cone- Star Guardian: Minimal changes- Pool Party: Minimal tweaks- Withered Rose: No changes- Bewitching: No changes

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We're looking for feedback on her changes, which should be up on the PBE soon. Please try her out there —especially if you're a main— and leave us your feedback once the changes are up!

EDIT 1: Main feedback I'm seeing is bringing back some of the darkness in her base. I'll be working on that and will keep y'all posted!

EDIT 2: Here's a small update based on your early feedback, mainly to try and add some darkness back into her lvl 5 kit. Also toned down the R impact on Snow Day Syndra, as it was way too bright (not shown in this video). Let us know if you have more feedback!

Video (Tweaks 1): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra__0PIxqqw

External link →
15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by PietroTheCzar

I knew it was you <3

<3

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by OneAndOnlyArtemis

Is it within the scope of a visual update to tie her orbiting spheres with her R availability? Like Ekko's trail and many other more modern kits, Syndra's Ultimate uses those spheres, but she has them at the beginning of the game and while R is on CD too.

As much as I'd personally love that, it sadly isn't within scope. That'd require quite a refactoring. :(

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by wasteofdialga

It looks too purple. One of syndra’s iconic designs it’s her PURE BLACK spheres with the electricish magic around it. It gave a very ethereal feel. This looks nice for a skin but not for base syndra.

Sadly we are not allowed to use pure black for VFXs. :(

I can see if I can tone down the intensity of the purples a bit, though.

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by AobaSona

I just want to ask, do you know if this hurts her chances of getting an ASU down the line? I know she's probably not a priority, but I saw that some ASUs will be only about smaller changes, like updating textures and animations, and I think Syndra is definetely one who would need those :(

As mentioned in the post: "they do not affect any other timeline, and are simply dev passion projects." :)

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by justbeingluigi

I think it's great that you're putting effort into improving Syndra's visual experience. However, I'd prefer the pitch-black balls. They gave the impression of being made of dark matter that could absorb/disintegrate anything they touch, instead of the "evil/corrupt" energy that emanates purple smoke.

Sadly we can't really use pure blacks in VFXs, especially for VFXs that last such a long time. I will however try to tone down the overwhelming purple in her level 5 spells!

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by notallwitches

This is perfect! Thank you Sirhaian. You are the best. But can you guys also cleanup her base skin textures a bit too? Her skins are so high quality but her base skin looks so outdated and dirty. You guys did a similar thing to Kog’Maw, would it be possible for Syndra too? 👉👈

Sadly that's outside of the scope for this update. :(

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by snib_snib

Why?

It doesn't fit our style guide: we aren't supposed to use pure blacks or pure whites at all. :)

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by Hyoudou

Is it may possible to give Queen of Diamonds some reddish or crimson red colored orbs?

I wish I could, but I can't due to that skin's price. :C

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by Hyoudou

Not even just sneaking some little tiny reddish hue into them? Accidentely...? I wont snitch 🤐.

Haha believe me, I really wish I could. :')

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by FARRAHM0AN

Can you say what the changes for Star Guardian are? Can’t see it in the video just curious what “minimal changes” actually means

Simple adjusting the size of the Q and W AOEs. :)

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by -Falrein

So... I usually don't comment these threads. But Syndra is one of my favorite champions.

Honestly it looks pretty dope.

There is only one thing I find iffy; on her E, after the initial wave remains a stiff triangle. I get that the aftereffect adds flavor but it doesn't feel really good to see. Might I suggest replacing it with some cracks on the ground? Adds some weight to the spell with the idea of power.

I don't know if anyone else shares this thought tho so this may be an unpopular take! Other than that, great job really!

Eyo! Yea I'm toning down the ground effect for E, it was indeed a bit too strong. :)

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by Linajke

While we at syndra can you make her not yell at every spell? 😂

lol i do not have enough power for that, she's too strong :')

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by jhgoldmeow

the ult on the snow skin is exceptionally bright and flashy (3:54 in vid) and could be toned down a little :)

Yup absolutely!! I only noticed how bright it was while recording!

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by deltoraa

Cool changes. My one big feedback is just repeating what others have already said here about base Syndra's spheres being so shiny and light purple now. I will really miss the dark "black hole" spheres. But I saw your replies about not being able to do black colours in VFX anymore so I understand. Kinda disappointing but I use her skins anyway so it won't affect me lol. Also I 100% know it was intentional for visual clarity but the addition of the really dark shadow at the perimeter edge of her E makes it looks worse than it did before in my opinion. I understand why it's been added but yea I personally don't like the way that specific area looks. Nice work otherwise <3 Looking forward to see the sphere tweaks you've mentioned already.

We can do blacks! Just not pure 0,0,0 black like it was before. That's a big no-no. But I'm trying something that I think should satisfy most people!

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by The_Yeti_Rider

Can you make her orbs that surround her match if her Q is maxed or not?

Those orbiting orbs match her R, to my knowledge. Not the Q. Changing that behavior would be out of scope, sadly. :(

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by The_Yeti_Rider

why do the orbs that surround her here change color when she levels up something? https://youtu.be/IoyF5eaQ_2w?t=41

Because now she has three different types of Qs, rank 1-4 light purple, rank 5 dark purple, but the ones surrounding her are her old ones but they change to the maxed version when her Q or R is maxed?

If the orbs match her R, then why do they not match her Q until it changes to the new one? its much darker than her ability that goes on the ground

I just tested, and they only change once R is maxed. They do refresh when you max Q, but they stay the same (I'm not sure why they refresh though).

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by xAsami

can u bring back the electricity visuals on her q ;c

There's already a little bit of it, but I'll amp it up a bit. :)

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by wingdagger

Can you apply this to the colors of the spheres orbiting her as well? Those are also a bit too purple when she levels up. I think these updates look great though!

Also, did you take the edge off of the sound effect when Snow Day Syndra Q hits any enemy? That was really satisfying :( I still hear it on the ult so I don't know if it's just my imagination.

Oh maybe that sound missing is a bug, I'll go investigate!

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by itzirenebae

As a Syndra main I love it and I'm so happy that u guys are giving her a lot of love recently :)

For base Syndra I do feel like it should be more black as others have pointed out, but maybe you could keep the current 'purple' vfx for her Queen of Diamonds skin? I know that it is not supposed to have different vfx from base considering its price but I personally never liked how dark spheres looked with her design so I think the current purple base vfx could work really well with this particular skin. (Maybe even making the spheres that are flying around her look the same as those when she uses Q since they kinda look like they're made of glass at the moment which would be super cool for this particular skin since she is 'The queen of diamonds')

I also have a complaint about Atlantean Syndra. It doesn't have to do with your update, your update is literally amazing and Atlantean shall now be my favorite, but there's been this weird bug for years now where the spheres look purple with medium video settings or lower and only really look blue and clean if it's set to highest but for my PC it looked purple even when I turned the settings to highest. I don't think this is supposed to be happening so I'm assuming it's a bug and hopefully it will be fixed when this update comes to live servers :)

Thank you so much for your effort! ♥

As you've said, due to the price, I can't change the VFXs for QoD Syndra, no matter how much I'd love to. :C

I'll check that weird Atlantean bug! Thanks for telling me about it. :)

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by curaao

Gotta say the visibility meter went through the roof with this, i think is an amazing job, now i can actually see her hitboxes on q and w clearly. 2 things that turn me a bit down tho is that looks like a void palette to me, it was my instant reaction when i saw the thumbnail, and that Justicar balls look like suns but not really, maybe if you guys like that idea you could make it look more like a star in fire. But this work is excellent man thanks you guys for the time.

Yea, I'm trying to steer a bit away from the Void feel, which is sadly proving a little hard when they're both kind of "dark/purple destructive magic".

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by ItsCrossBoy

Hope you're doing well since getting off twitter Sirhaian, always love your work <3

Thanks! And yea, it's been very refreshing. I finally have time to do stuff other than doomscroll 24/7. :D

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by nikobac

btw love you dude the work you do is amazing, all the best!

ty ty!! <3

15 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by Flyingwhale24

When will she receive an animation update? She is lack of idle-in animation

Sadly that's out of my area of expertise, sorry. :c

14 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by feluciaa

Love this. Beautiful. Thank you Sirhaian ~ Thorny

Ey Thorny!! Hope you're doing well! And thank you!

13 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by Anchivito

i think it's too bright, and the cracks on the ground, we will miss them... really will miss them :C

I'm investigating whether or not I can (or should) make them more visible. If I do make changes, I'll let y'all know!

13 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by Outer8pace

Can justicar keep her swirls when she ults? the skin is fantastic now but I rly liked that feature.

Yea I'm looking at that right now!

13 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by Rooxstart

When people asked for the effects to be less bright, the cracks on Base became less visible and I really liked them! It looks like glass breaking and I love them. I think the shockwave that appers after the sphere is casted covers them up a lot, so maybe you could make the crack last a bit longer. Also a bug: Justicar Syndra still uses the old taunt VFX (the three cracks)

Good catch, thanks! I'll adjust the taunt VFX. :)

13 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by Outer8pace

Thank you sir for the amazing job

<3

13 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by TeetoBonito

Seeing the comparison, I actually really miss:

  1. The cracked ground from her Q and W. Side by side, they add so much more impact than not having the cracks.
  2. The darkness of Base Syndra's spheres. They look too dull and faded (low contrast, low saturation). Side by side the base spheres seem so much more powerful and intimidating than the new version. As a former Syndra main I don't feel too fond towards the new base sphere design. They shouldn't just look better at level 5 and too faded before then.

Ty for that feedback! I'm currently working on those points. Hopefully should have an update soon. :)

13 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by Outer8pace

Could all her skins get the drag effect when you push a sphere with E? Idk how hard it would be to copy one into the other, I don't wanna ask for too much.

What do you mean by drag effect?

13 days ago - /u/RiotSirhaian - Direct link

Originally posted by Outer8pace

The bullet shaped thingy on the sphere that makes it look like a meteor

I think it makes multiple spheres stuns prettier, mainly the RE combo

Ooooh I see! I'll have a look, but I'm afraid I can't change the newer skins much. :(

Originally posted by Aries_the_Ram

Thanks for listening to our complains about Atlantean ! Now if you could change her orbs levitating around her so it can reflect her q it would be perfect, right now it looks like tiny bubbles and it's not really clear. Sometimes it even disappears.

You're welcome! I hope it solves some of the issues. I'll have a look at the Atlantean orbiting orbs next~