[2023] Spideraxe posting more PBE changes

Originally posted by Pe4enkas

Some day Riot will understand that people don't like building Gore because it deals no damage, not really because it's not tanky enough.

Aatrox, Riven and other champs that want Gore build Eclipse instead because it gives them more damage, simple as that. Gore is an item that kinda works ok as 1st or 2nd slot, but scales like shit.

Originally posted by UngodlyPain

Yes I know it's a gold efficiency win... But not all bruisers value beefiness equally.

Like yeah Garden going stridebreaker is gonna be really happy. Or Goredrinker Illaoi.

But someone like say Fiora or Riven? Not so much.

Similarly (but not as drastic as) Xerath compared to Brand or Ryze or something when talking about the value of the HP on random mage items.

Edit and gore/stride are mythics so they should cater to heavier and lighter fighters... And Shojin is almost exclusively a lighter fighter item. And not intended to be very defensive.

Originally posted by tknitsni

sounds like insanely good 1st item and even now Shojin 1st is probably the best option to do

Originally posted by PKTrash12

Yeah, I bet all those challanger Riven mains on Korea must be trolling.

You cant go hydra every matchup, considering there are some juggernauts that just one-shot you without gore. Plus, considering she is one of the only top laners in this day and age without ANY form of penetration, you should always build a bc as second item, so hydra build take very long to go online since you delay your mythic so much (third item). Those factors mean Riven should indeed build gore in many games.

Please, talk to someone who plays Riven on the balance team, if that person even exists

Originally posted by UngodlyPain

Is ravenous hydra becoming a mythic or are Goredrinker and stridebreaker becoming legendaries then?

On the Shojin thing, I guess that's fair.

I think some fighters should be tankier. And yeah people need to be brought off Duskblade. I just don't completely agree with this methodology. Like couldn't you have done +75 HP and no change to AD? And you already nerfed duskblade?

Or maybe just buff the more durability centric fighter items like Deadmans, FON, Steraks, Death Dance, or something else?

Cause unless you're making new mythics for the lighter fighters? Or are you gonna just say lighter fighters lost 2 mythic options? Is Riven now gonna be balanced around triforce or sunderer?

Tldr: my issue is largely this is targeted at half the mythics.

Originally posted by Cassian_J

But this goredrinker change makes it worse overall for the champions that want to use it and if it’s already built on few champions in few situations and you’re saying it should be built LESS that makes no sense. This is going to make it built less for sure and it’s already not a popular item. Maybe im completely wrong but are you able to provide more insight on why this change is being made to the item? Who are the target champions that you want to be using this item? And in what situations?

Originally posted by brodhi

FWIW Goredrinker is the most-built item for jungle fighters

Aren't they just wrong though? Pound-for-pound Stride is generally better on junglers: gives better clear, has better dps against Epic monsters, don't really need the Omnivamp because you heal a lot off camps, and Stride helps a lot more with ganks than Gore.

Lee, Xin, Jarvan; all jungle champs you would assume SHOULD be building Gore are instead having more success with Stride because its stats are just flatout better for doing damage.

So the above comment is still true: people shouldn't be building Gore because it just doesn't do enough damage--even the other Whip item is better.

Originally posted by daswef2

Is the intention with the phage in the build path to make it a lot more attractive to laners?

Originally posted by N30NWH173

What item should poor little gnar build phreak senpai